I have to agree with McP... We really don't have the right to complain so much and make demands. I'm sure the're doing the best they can. I don't think bitching and moaning helps them get their work done any better or faster.McPackage wrote:I dunno, but sending angry letters might have the opposite effect you're going for.
One time, I volunteered to help clean up a beach, picking up trash, etc. Some guy that lived nearby angrily asked one of the other people why it took us so long to come by and do it. After being told we were volunteers and not getting paid to do the work, the guy didn't really seem to care. He didn't understand that volunteering to do work is not the same as being obliged/paid to do it.
After that, the urge to just drop all the trash on his porch and go enjoy our Sunday doing other things was pretty high.
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No one formally complained on the forums until well after the great plot drought. As a group I feel everyone was extremely self-restrained and proved their loyalty to and their respect and admiration for the PM.surrealisticpill wrote:I have to agree with McP... We really don't have the right to complain so much and make demands. I'm sure the're doing the best they can. I don't think bitching and moaning helps them get their work done any better or faster.McPackage wrote:I dunno, but sending angry letters might have the opposite effect you're going for.
One time, I volunteered to help clean up a beach, picking up trash, etc. Some guy that lived nearby angrily asked one of the other people why it took us so long to come by and do it. After being told we were volunteers and not getting paid to do the work, the guy didn't really seem to care. He didn't understand that volunteering to do work is not the same as being obliged/paid to do it.
After that, the urge to just drop all the trash on his porch and go enjoy our Sunday doing other things was pretty high.
It's past ridiculous now.
As for not having the right to complain, I disagree. If it wasn't for the fans/players of the ARG, the PM would have posted a vid or two and it would have gone nowhere. If it wasn't for the fans/players, the ARG would never have become canon, and the PM would not have been given the opportunities to write and direct for LG15 or the resulting appearances he has been making infront of various groups.
The PM has forgotten his fans.
If there was going to be a break in the game like this, the PM should have given the players some respect in return by letting us know, instead of the string-along we received. As for the excuses about a lack of time -- bullshit. It's actually a choice to allocate the time to LG15.
It's called selling out. Yeah, I said it.
The players are fed up for justifiable reasons.
And are dropping like flies.
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exactly.sphinx wrote:As for not having the right to complain, I disagree. If it wasn't for the fans/players of the ARG, the PM would have posted a vid or two and it would have gone nowhere. If it wasn't for the fans/players, the ARG would never have become canon, and the PM would not have been given the opportunities to write and direct for LG15 or the resulting appearances he has been making infront of various groups.
this has been one of my main points all along.
if i speak, i am condemned.
if i am silent, i am damned.
who am i?
if i am silent, i am damned.
who am i?
Yeah.horcruxes wrote:exactly.sphinx wrote:As for not having the right to complain, I disagree. If it wasn't for the fans/players of the ARG, the PM would have posted a vid or two and it would have gone nowhere. If it wasn't for the fans/players, the ARG would never have become canon, and the PM would not have been given the opportunities to write and direct for LG15 or the resulting appearances he has been making infront of various groups.
this has been one of my main points all along.
I can't disagree more with the picking up trash analogy in this thread.
This wasn't something the PM did for us out of the goodness of his heart.
The gains here have been on both sides. At first the PM got the satisfaction of the creation, which led to the opportunities he's been given since.
Neglect your fans, expect to hear about the lack of appreciation.
If it wasn't for the players, I would be long gone.
It's the only thing keeping our ever-decreasing group around.
I've already stated my feelings on this at length, so I'll just sum up.
Good for the PM for selling out, at least for his sake. He will get paid to do what he wasn't before, and it seems he loves what he is doing now. But I want to make this clear: he is not doing what got him the job in the first place.
He has neglected the narrative, neglected his characters, and now has neglected those of us that brought him the attention of the Creators in the first place. I'd go so far as to say there is no OpAphid ARG anymore, only the ARG aspect of LG15. I know I'm channeling some very old spirits here, but this stopped being a true ARG when he revealed himself in the LGpedia, among other things...
So are new players going to agree with those of us that have played since October? No, of course not, and they shouldn't have to. Are players like myself going to be horribly pissed off about what has happened since Canon Day? (and lets all be honest with ourselves, the start of the decline is that day) Of course we are. No specifics needed anymore, I'm sure you've heard it all before.
We started out with total interaction, intriguing plot, challenging puzzles with immediate confirmation of clues and movement to the next plot point or character. We are now dealing with convoluted plot, 10 or more filler videos in between anything that deals with the "ARG", 1 dimensional characters, NO INTERACTION, and a total sense that we put in the attention, the hours, the work for nothing.
So the PM sold out. Good for him! He has to deal with the complaints, the anger, the total apathy to his creation now. We have every right to complain, but only so long as we realize that there is nothing we can say to change anything. I used to play because it entertained the hell out of me. I now play because of the people I made friends with, and the need to keep this "ARG" going in hope of better days ahead. I'm an optimist like that, but one with a firm sense of realism.
Good for the PM for selling out, at least for his sake. He will get paid to do what he wasn't before, and it seems he loves what he is doing now. But I want to make this clear: he is not doing what got him the job in the first place.
He has neglected the narrative, neglected his characters, and now has neglected those of us that brought him the attention of the Creators in the first place. I'd go so far as to say there is no OpAphid ARG anymore, only the ARG aspect of LG15. I know I'm channeling some very old spirits here, but this stopped being a true ARG when he revealed himself in the LGpedia, among other things...
So are new players going to agree with those of us that have played since October? No, of course not, and they shouldn't have to. Are players like myself going to be horribly pissed off about what has happened since Canon Day? (and lets all be honest with ourselves, the start of the decline is that day) Of course we are. No specifics needed anymore, I'm sure you've heard it all before.
We started out with total interaction, intriguing plot, challenging puzzles with immediate confirmation of clues and movement to the next plot point or character. We are now dealing with convoluted plot, 10 or more filler videos in between anything that deals with the "ARG", 1 dimensional characters, NO INTERACTION, and a total sense that we put in the attention, the hours, the work for nothing.
So the PM sold out. Good for him! He has to deal with the complaints, the anger, the total apathy to his creation now. We have every right to complain, but only so long as we realize that there is nothing we can say to change anything. I used to play because it entertained the hell out of me. I now play because of the people I made friends with, and the need to keep this "ARG" going in hope of better days ahead. I'm an optimist like that, but one with a firm sense of realism.
Hey, you guys should all sublimate your frustration at this ARG and come check out the FacilityJ ARG. I've been playing it for a little while, and, while probably non-canon, it's pretty compelling.
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/ind ... Facility_J
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7286
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/ind ... Facility_J
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7286
Speaking of which, we're looking for someone near Princeton, NJ to look into a possible drop. I know that most of the OpAphid drop retrievers are based on the West Coast, but if you guys know of anyone...ladron121 wrote:TOSG is right, I've been looking at the FacilityJ ARG. Not my cup o' tea, since they mail out all the dropsbut still worth a look everyone. Lots of DNA!!!
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haha, I'd be out that way but not till april... sorry, but all these people around there has to be some east coasters around. Good luck!!TOSG wrote:Speaking of which, we're looking for someone near Princeton, NJ to look into a possible drop. I know that most of the OpAphid drop retrievers are based on the West Coast, but if you guys know of anyone...ladron121 wrote:TOSG is right, I've been looking at the FacilityJ ARG. Not my cup o' tea, since they mail out all the drops