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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:28 pm
by TOSG
trainer101 wrote:Luminous wrote:Maybe we could write up some instructions post them in the toolkit on the LGpedia page?
That's a real good idea. I was just looking through LGpedia, you've done a great job!
Yeah, it's not a bad idea. Technical writing is hardly one of my passions, but I do recognize that it would be helpful for a lot of people. I might try my hand at it later on. I do think that it's most instructive just to play around with the various tools, though. Take an old puzzle and try to solve it, using my solution breakdowns as guidelines, as much or as little as you fancy.
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:44 pm
by Luminous
Thanks Trainer You made my day
So I know some people near Princeton. Should I start making phone calls?
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:41 pm
by deagol
I tried to follow along with TOSG, but he was always one step ahead of me. Must have been because I did try to document everything linearly.
That 'p' that was supposed to be an 'r' gets fixed when using the "right" stop.
Sorry if this is mostly redundant, and for abusing the wide formatting, but it was the clearest way I could think to show the number decoding. Hope it helps!
NotI:gcggccgc
He was ashamed of the fact that very simple and honest people usually distrusted him; that he had...
Vigenere decrypt:
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text:hewasashamedofthefactthatverysimpleandhonestpeopleusuallydistrustedhimthatheh
key1:hydymyzhamekizrbydywrahaatllwmignsehnkovllzrwcvwflsqbhfsfkgzalbmncxbgknfutfyf
msg1:agtcgctaaaatggcggccgctaatctgcgagctatatttcttctcttgtccttgtttcttgtggcggccgcgacgc
(select 2 cutters link after first result):
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seq1:agtcgctaaaatggcggccgctaatctgcgagctatatttcttctcttgtccttgtttcttgtggcggccgcgacgc
--^----- --^-----
Cuts: NotI NotI
seq2: ggccgctaatctgcgagctatatttcttctcttgtccttgtttcttgtggc
Protein
1-letter code translation and
full names (notice the stop is taa=Ochre):
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pr.trans:G R Ochre(stop) S A S Y I S S L V L V S C G
pr.names:Glycine_Arginine_Ochre_Serine_Alanine_Serine_Tyrosine_Isoleucine_Serine_Serine_Leucine_Valine_Leucine_Valine_Serine_Cysteine_Glycine
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
letters#: 7 3 4 2 6 2 4 6 3 1 2 1 2 5 1 1 1
egreneoursevenscg
shifts:-11 1 0 0 -9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
For this part I also like to use the Vigenere tool, deriving a key from the shifts by making 0=a, 1=b, -1=25=z, etc.
Vigenere encrypt:
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ltr1:egreneoursevenscg
key2:pbaarbaaaaaaaaabb
msg2:threefoursevensdh
From the stamp,
Vigenere decrypt:
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seq2:ggccgctaatctgcg
key3:egajecrhyrcaacg
msg3:cactcactccatgaa
Again, protein
1-letter code translation and
full names:
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pr.trans:H S L H E
pr.names:Histidine_Serine_Leucine_Histidine_Glutamate
^ ^ ^ ^ ^
letters#: 7 3 4 2 6
ircim
And finally the same shifts,
Vigenere encrypt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSCID
It is also known as the "bubble boy" disease because its victims are extremely vulnerable to infectious diseases.
Kind of brings me back to the telegram, "...they wanted a way to protect a chosen few."
Tools used (also linked on each step):
http://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/vigenere.php
http://tools.neb.com/NEBcutter2/index.php
http://www.expasy.ch/tools/dna.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_co ... odon_table
Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:51 pm
by TOSG
Nice work documenting everything, deagol. If people find that sort of formal approach to be easier to follow, let me know - I can start documenting my solutions like that as well.
And good work getting the "r" in "three"! I didn't think to actually use the name of the stop codon - that's pretty obscure, so it's awesome that you figured it out.
And Luminous: Sure, if you think they'd be willing/interested. There's a good possibility that it could be a wild goose chase, but I'm not sure how best to narrow in on what we're exactly looking for.
It might not be a bad idea for someone to send Walter a message and see if he can confirm that there's been a drop, so that nobody wastes their time on the ground.
EDIT: Sorry, deagol, I bollocksed your username! It's corrected now, though.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:14 am
by deagol
Well I don't think every step needs to be documented like that from now on once people learn how it's done. Indeed you did a great job explaining it before and although I can catch on pretty quickly, I know how tough these things are for others. I thought showing it step by step with all the details and linking the corresponding tools might also help with the suggestion of a tutorial here.
I think this is definitely a drop in Princeton, and I like 0312-0316 beeing room numbers (or maybe mailbox numbers) at 12 University Place in Princeton. That's as narrowed-down a location as you can get.
And this is interesting, also from that wiki page on XSCID:
Trial treatments of SCID have been gene therapy's only success; since 1999, gene therapy has restored the immune systems of at least 17 children with two forms (ADA-SCID and X-SCID) of the disorder.
Might there be 2 more kids? You know, the J19...
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:21 am
by trainer101
Amazing work again Deagol and TOSG! You are in a groove - the last puzzle took days.
I agree, we should get some confirmation from Walter or TravelerJ before we send anyone on a wild goose chase.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:25 am
by Luminous
TOSG wrote:It might not be a bad idea for someone to send Walter a message and see if he can confirm that there's been a drop, so that nobody wastes their time on the ground.
Excellent idea (duh) I just dropped Walter a line to let him know the package was received and has been decoded and we're wondering . . .
I've sent out a few inquiries on possible drop retrievers. No takers yet. If we get confirmation back from Walter, maybe ladron121 from the OpAphid crew would be willing to lend us one of his drop retrievers, if he has anyone near Princeton?
Oh, and Deagol. WOW! What a breakdown. Thanks.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:37 am
by shadower
wow I just stumbled upon this and I have to say I love this!
I'm bio nerd and genetics/dna is my favorite part!
Also if there was a drop, i would have loved to help because I'm on a few hours drive away, (here comes the big but!!) I'm driving back to school this weekend and it's in the completely opposite direction.
So quick question (because i'm lazy, it's late and so on) have all the problems, so far, been dna-ish based? or have they been more like the opaphid style, where knowledge of specific computer coding is needed?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:39 am
by TOSG
shadower wrote:wow I just stumbled upon this and I have to say I love this!
I'm bio nerd and genetics/dna is my favorite part!
Also if there was a drop, i would have loved to help because I'm on a few hours drive away, (here comes the big but!!) I'm driving back to school this weekend and it's in the completely opposite direction.
So quick question (because i'm lazy, it's late and so on) have all the problems, so far, been dna-ish based? or have they been more like the opaphid style, where knowledge of specific computer coding is needed?
Yep, the ARG and its puzzles have a definite scientific theme. Check out some of the previous puzzle threads and also Luminous' article on FacilityJ in the LGPedia.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:41 am
by deagol
TOSG wrote:EDIT: Sorry, deagol, I bollocksed your username! It's corrected now, though.
Haha... I thought you had it right in the first place, as I've pretty much been a "Lurker" in this side of the forum.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:19 am
by Ziola
Well, I'm at least on the East Coast (New England) but Princeton is a tad to far away for me. I do have people I can call down in that area though, if the need arises. Let me know if you all get confirmation from Walter and I'll get on the horn.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:57 pm
by janesalteredstates
Wow, I always get here too late.
But let me know when Walter gets to Fiji
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:15 pm
by ladron121
My ears were burning, knew my name was mentioned
Sadly, I'm in Sacramento, CA. Princeton is too much of a drive
However, hit me up if there's anything going on in Nor Cal
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:24 pm
by TOSG
Any word from Walter on whether the suspected drop has indeed occurred?
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:37 pm
by Luminous
Nothing yet. He's remaining suspiciously silent.