(WoW) ab OVO...a beginning

Will-O-Wisp · Post by **Will-O-Wisp** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:24 pm

I found what we were looking for,
And in the process found much more.
Secrets not meant for my eyes,
And truth be told, Abel lies.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2035223909

Ziola · Post by **Ziola** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 3:48 pm

deagol · Post by **deagol** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:22 pm

Ok, this is all I could figure out and now I'm completely confused. Trainer, maybe you can help out! Ok here's what I got:

R.C. Christian (a pseudonym, Christian R.C.?) commisioned the construction of the guidestones featured in the other videos.

I also found that website, New Barbarian Order or whatever is called, and there's those precepts which sort of fall in line with the guidestone commandments.

Now here we see Fama Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis, the first of the 3 rosicrucian manifestos.

C.R.C. is of course Christian Rosenkreuz, the legendary founder of the Rosicrucian Order.

I noticed "how do you suppose one's dreams can be caught on film?" ...hmm, maybe voyboy could give us a hand here.

But all those images just seem to me like random people in a campfire. There's also some weird pics of stuff I can't even tell what it is, probably weird magic stuff. I can't relate them to anything else.

What does it all mean? Are there really real people planning or wishing for 9/10ths of the world population to perish? I had never seen such evil plans associated to Rosicrucianism, with such contempt for humanity. Anyway, nothing's really clear-cut with all these secret orders. I'm now quite confused. Oh well, it's not worse than trying to follow the LG15 story, I guess.

Will-O-Wisp · Post by **Will-O-Wisp** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:45 am

deagol wrote: I had never seen such evil plans associated to Rosicrucianism, with such contempt for humanity. Anyway, nothing's really clear-cut with all these secret orders. I'm now quite confused. Oh well, it's not worse than trying to follow the LG15 story, I guess.

bene visit qui bene latuit

deagol · Post by **deagol** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:17 pm

Will-O-Wisp wrote:bene visit qui bene latuit

scientia potentia est

Will-O-Wisp · Post by **Will-O-Wisp** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:24 pm

True, but knowledge can also be dangerous.

I do like eggs, but I guess it's no secret I prefer Bacon for breakfast.
If you can't find it, look where the Garlic Sits.

deagol · Post by **deagol** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:23 pm

Alright I suppose the garlic sits on the wicker basket. Wicker is usually made of willow, so I should look in you, Will-O-Wisp?

Perhaps you mean Wicca... but that leads me back into the dark.

More likely your talking about the wiki basket. The thing is, I had already looked there, and I had already found the Bacon (that's how I got my smarty latin quote from). So it's like going in circles. At least I think I have Bacon, but then what?

Will-O-Wisp · Post by **Will-O-Wisp** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 11:29 am

hah! That's very clever of you, deagol. But there must be some 'missed connections'...where GARLIC SITS isn't necessarily a calathus.
Though we should consider the basket for just a moment.
What is a basket but a container? ...and what is a container but a ROCINANTE?

sparkybennett · Post by **sparkybennett** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:58 pm

Will-O-Wisp wrote:hah! That's very clever of you, deagol. But there must be some 'missed connections'...where GARLIC SITS isn't necessarily a calathus.
Though we should consider the basket for just a moment.
What is a basket but a container? ...and what is a container but a ROCINANTE?

craigs list ?
http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pol/333292276.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/rnr/349421100.html

sparkybennett · Post by **sparkybennett** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:52 pm

OOOOHHH!

this:
http://savannah.craigslist.org/mis/349848037.html
anyone want to help decode? (I am not sure what we are decoding though,LOL)

a AAAAA g AABBA n ABBAA t BAABA
b AAAAB h AABBB o ABBAB u-v BAABB
c AAABA i-j ABAAA p ABBBA w BABAA
d AAABB k ABAAB q ABBBB x BABAB
e AABAA l ABABA r BAAAA y BABBA
f AABAB m ABABB s BAAAB z BABBB

deagol · Post by **deagol** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:49 pm

Ooooh an old anagram! Haha I'm such an idiot.

Sparky, awesome job finding that! now this is interesting... It's definitely not a code, but a "code table" or "dictionary". Notice how there's a different pattern associated with each letter of the alphabet (except a couple of exceptions). Now, I'm almost sure I've seen that same table somewhere else.

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:55 pm

If A=0 and B=1, then it would look like a sort of binary table.

EDIT: corrected a misquote

sparkybennett · Post by **sparkybennett** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:59 pm

it's bacon's alphabet (francis)
I just don't know where Wisp has applied it. I was looking for font changes, etc in the video but don't see anything yet.

deagol · Post by **deagol** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:31 pm

sparkybennett wrote:it's bacon's alphabet (francis)
I just don't know where Wisp has applied it. I was looking for font changes, etc in the video but don't see anything yet.

Thanks sparky, I knew I had seen this Bacon cipher thing before. According to wikipedia, "is a method of steganography (a method of hiding a secret message as opposed to a true cipher) devised by Francis Bacon. A message is concealed in the presentation of text, rather than its content."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon_cipher

Steganography, huh. Modern steganography using images and other digital media can get thorny, but fortunately this is 400-year-old stuff. So sparky's has the right idea in looking for two different fonts or styles or something similar. I haven't seen anything like that from Will either.

Here it is in the handwriting of Bacon himself.

ApotheosisAZ wrote:If A=0 and B=1, then it would look like a sort of binary table.

That's interesting Apo. Doing that you get:

a 00000=0 g 00110=6 n 01100=12 t 10010=18
b 00001=1 h 00111=7 o 01101=13 u-v 10011=19
c 00010=2 ij 01000=8 p 01110=14 w 10100=20
d 00011=3 k 01001=9 q 01111=15 x 10101=21
e 00100=4 l 01010=10 r 10000=16 y 10110=22
f 00101=5 m 01011=11 s 10001=17 z 10111=23

or an a-z number substitution table from 0-23, with i=j and u=v. We should keep this in mind in case this gets used as an alternate vigenere/caesar/rot system. I hope not because it would break all our web rotation cipher tools, but you never know.

Here's a tool to convert from plaintext to the ABBA form (haha ABBA is so baconian

): http://www.purplehell.com/riddletools/bacon.htm

sparkybennett · Post by **sparkybennett** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:42 pm