0187- "It's Not Kidnapping" [5/07/07]

nickaflick · Post by **nickaflick** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:45 am

"we're in Texas for God's sake, they hang people here!"

lololololol

house · Post by **house** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:45 am

Sorry to hear about your migraines, Wisi.

Hey...wait a minute. Are you sure that you're really not just an Order Operative who's been receiving injections for secret ceremonies?

Lurker... Jules all tied up on a coaster...GOLDEN! I'd PAY to see that...especially if they took that freeze-frame, top-of-the-drop pic and Jules was all "WTF" while Daniel was all "WOOOOOOOOT!"

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:59 am

Chelseyrl wrote:Lurker, that just went on your 'pedia page.

(It's still weird to me when someone refers to my LGPedia page. That's going to take some getting used to.)

voyboy wrote:Bree with her hands up looking at Jules and smiling. Jules with red eyes and terror, gagged crying...Bree glaring back at DB and Jonas. They reluctantly force a smile and put their hands up slowly...

Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

LOLOLOL!

Still got that image in your head, huh? XD

house wrote:Lurker... Jules all tied up on a coaster...GOLDEN! I'd PAY to see that...especially if they took that freeze-frame, top-of-the-drop pic and Jules was all "WTF" while Daniel was all "WOOOOOOOOT!

Someone's got to photoshop this.

nickaflick wrote:What are they going to do now? Really, cause it's not like the Order is going to notice that their new girl is MISSING!?!?

Haha, Lucy's going to see this and be like "Oh, shit, I should have shot them in Mexico."

ApotheosisAZ wrote:The absence of a Watcher is telling.

In Bree's case, no Watchers showed up until she was on the run. One would assume that until something goes wrong, The Order does not see any need to dispatch them.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying, Apo. I got this part (and agree with it), but it seems to conflict with the next paragraph:

ApotheosisAZ wrote:The fact that Lucy can see these videos also suggests that Watchers are not dispatched by The Hymn of One.

They didn't seem to dispatch any for Bree until after she ran away, even though they knew what Daniel was up to.

TommyIsCancer · Post by **TommyIsCancer** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:15 am

Wow. Bree and Daniel are two scoops of crazy.

VeiwerZane · Post by **VeiwerZane** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:31 am

belu214 wrote:Oh and where was Taylor and Shara?

Good point considering they were keen to break into the wrong house

First of all omg a new episode i found on youtube first? They finaly caught up with there lazzy uploading speed with youtube omg.

Brees definately gone mad apoaching people like a stranger, stealing folders, stealing people she trying to make a big criminal record for herself? I noticed their acting has improved it feels allot better quality in this video. Of course DB's always up for breaking and entering now "kiddnaping"? But i loved jonus as the voice of reason for a change (now reads 8 pages)

gigglingmonk · Post by **gigglingmonk** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:32 am

Why doesn't this video have a number on the front page of the website? It strikes me as odd....

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:33 am

Lurker wrote:
ApotheosisAZ wrote:The absence of a Watcher is telling.

In Bree's case, no Watchers showed up until she was on the run. One would assume that until something goes wrong, The Order does not see any need to dispatch them.
I'm not sure I follow what you're saying, Apo. I got this part (and agree with it), but it seems to conflict with the next paragraph:

ApotheosisAZ wrote:The fact that Lucy can see these videos also suggests that Watchers are not dispatched by The Hymn of One.
They didn't seem to dispatch any for Bree until after she ran away, even though they knew what Daniel was up to.

I'm sorry. Allow me to clarify.

Lucy sees the videos. She works for The Hymn of One. In Bree's case, she didn't inform any other part of the Order about a problem until Bree went on the run.

Now, Lucy is watching, and she obviously has not notified The Order. If she had done so, then either a Watcher or the police would have been staking out Julia's home.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:43 am

ApotheosisAZ wrote:I'm sorry. Allow me to clarify.

Lucy sees the videos. She works for The Hymn of One. In Bree's case, she didn't inform any other part of the Order about a problem until Bree went on the run.

Now, Lucy is watching, and she obviously has not notified The Order. If she had done so, then either a Watcher or the police would have been staking out Julia's home.

I don't know, Apo. Remember how they all knew about the vids and Daniel, etc. before (when they told her to fake the ceremony)? They didn't seem to really do anything more about that than spy on Daniel at the fake ceremony (and bug his car). Well, actually, they did chase him there, but I think they were just trying to scare him. They'd have known where to find him, so they could have probably gone to his house if they really wanted to is what I'm saying.

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:44 am

Lurker wrote:I don't know, Apo. Remember how they all knew about the vids and Daniel, etc. before (when they told her to fake the ceremony)? They didn't seem to really do anything more about that than spy on Daniel at the fake ceremony (and possibly bug his car).

But they did take action. Here, they haven't. Lucy is not informing the entire Order. That is all I am saying here.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:46 am

Lucy can't be the only person they have watching this stuff, though. I'd think the deacons (maybe even the elders, depending on how important this thing is) would be watching too. Otherwise, they'd be totally inept. I hope I'm not giving them too much credit.

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:49 am

Lurker wrote:Lucy can't be the only person they have watching this stuff, though. I'd think the deacons (maybe even the elders, depending on how important this thing is) would be watching too. Otherwise, they'd be totally inept. I hope I'm not giving them too much credit.

Well, we are at risk of this becomming a debate between the two of us.

There has never been any evidence that suggests a Deacon or Elder is aware of BD&J's videos, unless you have noticed something I missed, Lurker. I don't think that Lucy has ever had need to tell them where she got her information.

kittenishtrance · Post by **kittenishtrance** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:51 am

Maybe it's all a mistake. Maybe Jules isn't in the Order afterall, and that's why she doesn't have a helper or watcher.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue May 08, 2007 3:02 am

ApotheosisAZ wrote:
Lurker wrote:Lucy can't be the only person they have watching this stuff, though. I'd think the deacons (maybe even the elders, depending on how important this thing is) would be watching too. Otherwise, they'd be totally inept. I hope I'm not giving them too much credit.
Well, we are at risk of this becomming a debate between the two of us.

That seems to happen a lot, doesn't it? It's always good times, though.

ApotheosisAZ wrote:There has never been any evidence that suggests a Deacon or Elder is aware of BD&J's videos, unless you have noticed something I missed, Lurker. I don't think that Lucy has ever had need to tell them where she got her information.

I'd totally demand where she got her information if I were them. But that's me.

In any case, since there was at least one deacon at the fake ceremony, and Bree spoke in terms of a plurality when talking about who told her to fake it, I'm pretty sure they're aware of the videos. They'd have to be.

Heck, after all this time, if they didn't ask somebody "So ... what with all these foul-ups ... how do we even know you guys know what you're doing?" that'd just be sad.

kittenishtrance wrote:Maybe it's all a mistake. Maybe Jules isn't in the Order afterall, and that's why she doesn't have a helper or watcher.

She's got to be at least in the Hymn of One since she's getting their newsletter (and apparently taking it to heart).

kittenishtrance · Post by **kittenishtrance** » Tue May 08, 2007 3:07 am

Lurker wrote:
kittenishtrance wrote:Maybe it's all a mistake. Maybe Jules isn't in the Order afterall, and that's why she doesn't have a helper or watcher.
She's got to be at least in the Hymn of One since she's getting their newsletter (and apparently taking it to heart).

Oh yeah! Then she's definately involved. It could be that she's not the New Girl, but maybe one of the potentials that they're keeping their eyes on for future ceremonies. Or, she may indeed be the New Girl for this ceremony, whenever it'll be. Either way, BDJ have really messed up.

Gidget · Post by **Gidget** » Tue May 08, 2007 3:30 am

gigglingmonk wrote:Why doesn't this video have a number on the front page of the website? It strikes me as odd....

That is bothering me too...