0169 "Hug It Out" 4/09/07

[Ravensnow27]

theres too many bad people already we need someone good with a serious connection to the order that we can actually see

[robtomorrow]

.... not sure what i think about the black/white alex clothing, do the creators have a budget for wardrobe, or are the actors just kind of picking their own clothes?

Yes, seeing that they are in Mexico, viva Mexico, wouldn't this little number just look lovely on Alex. (Pleated Mexican Dress by Cake Couture)..You Bet!

[Leaven]

theres too many bad people already we need someone good with a serious connection to the order that we can actually see

I liked the idea of Alex being bad though, because she was someone we sort of knew. Moreso than Lucy for instance, who is just blond hair and a suit.

[Wisi Girl]

Oh my! Hello everyone! Can we please let go of the nonsensical discussion of Alex's looks!?! Is that all any of you found noteworthy in this video? I can't even believe someone bothered to post a picture of a dress she would look nice in! What?! Um, let is get back to the content of the video....or am I in the wrong thread for that?

Edited for typos due to feelings of unbelief and frustration

[Wisi Girl]

Lurker: I look forward to your thoughts on this video. Some fantastic insight about the relationships between families and the Order involving Jonas' past! I want to know what you think of it all! And perhaps you could answer some of my questions, too? He he!

I hope I'm as useful as you expect. I'll try to answer your biggest questions as best I understand things (or as best I can guess).

So, his grandfather was not apart of the Order but was obviously familiar with it when marrying this rich woman? Oh, and it isn't Alex that is "fruity" but this woman his grandfather married...Or was his grandfather apart of it as well?

There probably wasn't enough information to make a definitive determination (one that couldn't be expanded on later, I mean), but I would personally guess that it was just his father's step-mother who was in the religion. I think Jonas would have probably explained it if his grandfather was in there too. The way he refers to the Hymn of One as "her religion" especially makes me think that.

With the little bit that we know, and the little bit of that I am able to comprehend at this time, this is what I am most curious about: Bree= has two fake parents who conditioned her for a ceremony, and clearly raised her in a strict environment which was heavily influenced by their religion. Alex= raised by a mother who was very much involved with the Order but didn't raise her daughter with such an influence? Jonas= had two real parents who fought against the Order but his dad had step-mom and possibly a father who was apart of it? Why is it that only Bree is affected by all of this?

Well, Bree told us that she was one of a few thousand girls selected at birth for some special unidentified quality and then placed in a controlled home. If Alex was never intended for the ceremony, then I guess there must not have been a need for her to have the purity stuff shoved on her quite so hard.


Anyway, I thought this was a good video. It was great for character exploration and advancing the plot, and it was well-written and well-edited (nice little theme there with the back-and-forth; that's the kind of thing that I like them to try: Something simple and not so heavy-handed; it works so much better).

Like kellylen and AM have said, I hope Alex is good, especially for DB's sake. As I said before, I think she works so much better as a conflicted character rather than a heartless one.

That meridian lines thing and a possible relation of them to the human soul ... sounds like it has something to do with ley lines to me. Maybe that's what the really special ceremony girls are about? Girls born at certain points of geographical significance (where certain ley lines cross)?

Thanks Lurker! I knew you would be helpful! Your rationalization for the confusion surrounding Jonas' grandfather's involvment with the religion was insightful like I had expected! By not mentioning it, Jonas has made it clear that he was not personally involved....I never fully accepted the value of Bree to the degree that most have within this community. However, as this series progresses, I see that she is wanted a great deal. If she is some supreme/chosen individual, (becuase, if she was among a few thousand, than couldn't they move on to another?) then this would explain the differences in how she was raised in comparison to Alex. Yet, I still believe Alex should know more.

[epogen]

Oh my! Hello everyone! Can we please let go of the nonsensical discussion of Alex's looks!?! Is that all any of you found noteworthy in this video? I can't even believe someone bothered to post a picture of a dress she would look nice in! What?! Um, let is get back to the content of the video....or am I in the wrong thread for that?

Edited for typos due to feelings of unbelief and frustration

i'm not a fan of the looks discussions either, taste is pretty relative, not to mention the fact that i am shocked that robtomorrow seems to be consulting fashion sites but what is it that you would like to discuss? seems like there is a lot to this video and so far most of what we have talked about is the meridians aspect....i'm game for more discussion if you like

[robtomorrow]

Oh my! Hello everyone! Can we please let go of the nonsensical discussion of Alex's looks!?! Is that all any of you found noteworthy in this video? I can't even believe someone bothered to post a picture of a dress she would look nice in! What?! Um, let is get back to the content of the video....or am I in the wrong thread for that?

Edited for typos due to feelings of unbelief and frustration

It was a joke, my sense of humor is a little strange sometimes, usually leaning to the facetious side.

[Wisi Girl]

So, his grandfather was not apart of the Order but was obviously familiar with it when marrying this rich woman? Oh, and it isn't Alex that is "fruity" but this woman his grandfather married...Or was his grandfather apart of it as well?

From what Jonas said in this video, it sounds like his grandfather wasn't in the Order but only his second wife was. It follows a pattern: Bree's mother, Lucy, Alex to some degree, and her mother, all the women in this story are involved in the religious branch of the Order, the Hymn of One. If it wasn't for the Deacon, the Order so far would look like a matriarchal society. As far as we know, Jonas' father was part of the resistance, Bree's father somehow joined the resistance by betraying them and meeting with Bree.

If this woman was involved, then why wasn't Alex more involved as well?

Maybe because daughters and mothers are distinct human beings? This woman might have been deeply involved in the Order and not her daughter, I mean. I don't share the beliefs of my parents, even though they tried to push it down my throat. If children were always following the steps of their parents we would still be in middle ages I guess. On the other hand, It might also be because Alex is not that important for the Order.

Was Jonas' dad, who I assume was partially raised by this woman, aware of this? Wasn't it confirmed that his parents were apart of the resistance? Lurker! Okay, okay...That essay-type document he found in cabin attic....So, this could be why his dad and her had a huge fight! He was fighting against what his step-mom was apart of! It would be nice to know two things: Was his grandfather apart of the religion and how old was his dad when his grandfather remarried? Both would make things much more clear.

To be part of something that fights against the Order, we have to be aware of the existence of the Order. I guess you become aware of it when you're confronted to it, like in your own family for instance. So, yes, I guess he knew and joined or was contacted by the resistance for that very reason.

Why is it that only Bree is affected by all of this? Is her case highly unique within this community? Perhaps she is more than just a girl who is a critical component of the ceremony....She may be a "chosen" individual. She must be very, very, very valuable.

That we've known for a long time.

I mean, Jonas didn't know a blessed thing until Bree came along!

That we don't know. We're not sure what his motivations were exactly when he contacted Bree and offered help in the first place. Even though we can say he didn't know much.

Impulse, thanks for responding! I agree with your assesment of the number of prominent women. This is clearly an organization that places the major focus upon women. I might even go as far as to say that the females may be superior in some fundamental way according to principles we have yet to discover.

You misunderstood me concerning Alex. I don't expect Alex to follow in her mother's footsteps. However, she was raised by this woman and that influence should affect her, end of story. Somehow, Alex's innocence still doesn't make sense. Simply being a benefactor of the Order can't work out because we have seen how secretive, protective and opressive they are to ALL members. Why would they not coherse Alex, regardless of her significance in relation to this mysterious ceremony?

I like your point about Jonas and his motives when contacting Bree. I thought it was too much of a coinsidence when we learned that his parents were apart of the resistance. I believe both Alex and his dear nephew know more than they are revealing....Perhaps not just to Bree and Daniel but between each other?

Oh, and I didn't know that Bree was so invaluable for a long time. I still don't think so. There must be another one they could use for this ceremony....So, Alex and Jonas are not as affected by their parents' association with this Order because they are not significant to the ceremony? Wow! This ceremony must be the sum of the entire society/ religion/ organization! What the hell is it?! Everything seems to revolve around it, eh?

[Sappho]

.... not sure what i think about the black/white alex clothing, do the creators have a budget for wardrobe, or are the actors just kind of picking their own clothes?

Yes, seeing that they are in Mexico, viva Mexico, wouldn't this little number just look lovely on Alex. (Pleated Mexican Dress by Cake Couture)..You Bet!

Yes, she would look gorgeous in this dress, better than the model. It would bring out her blue eyes and constrast nicely with her raven tresses. Are you in the fashion industry?

I think there's a real point about the Order people always wearing black and/or white, also the white flower motif. That Alex only wears those colors shows that she is still not entirely trustworthy, in my opinion.

[Wisi Girl]

Oh my! Hello everyone! Can we please let go of the nonsensical discussion of Alex's looks!?! Is that all any of you found noteworthy in this video? I can't even believe someone bothered to post a picture of a dress she would look nice in! What?! Um, let is get back to the content of the video....or am I in the wrong thread for that?

Edited for typos due to feelings of unbelief and frustration

It was a joke, my sense of humor is a little strange sometimes, usually leaning to the facetious side. :twisted:

Ahhh, I see! Ha ha! Alright, so you were poking fun at those silly people who were discussing make-up and such things? Got it.

Note to self: robtomorrow has a sharp wit that may seem ambiguous at times!

[robtomorrow]

Yes, she would look gorgeous in this dress, better than the model. It would bring out her blue eyes and constrast nicely with her raven tresses. Are you in the fashion industry?

I think there's a real point about the Order people always wearing black and/or white, also the white flower motif. That Alex only wears those colors shows that she is still not entirely trustworthy, in my opinion.

Thank you Sappo, I'm glad someone here has a sense of humor, and no I'm not in the fashion industry, I was just channeling Christian Dior

[Lurker]

...I never fully accepted the value of Bree to the degree that most have within this community. However, as this series progresses, I see that she is wanted a great deal. If she is some supreme/chosen individual, (becuase, if she was among a few thousand, than couldn't they move on to another?) then this would explain the differences in how she was raised in comparison to Alex.

Bree said that only a very small number ("a fraction of a percentile") of those thousands of girls develop the necessary characteristics.

[Wisi Girl]

That was very nice editing on the video. I like how the story is progressing and the background to Alex is good and makes sense.

Some of you are a bit confused about the mention of a sister. He didn't say he had a sister at all. He said that Alex was his half-sister. His mom and dad divorced and his dad married a much younger, rich woman who was apart of this religion and had a daughter who was "fruity"...He he! I haven't heard that particular description in a long time! Anyways, it brings so much more depth to both Jonas and Alex with this clarification of their past. When he talked about everything the Order did to help Alex, I didn't just wonder what she had to do in return. I also was reminded of that journal they found with all the newspaper clippings. How would she explain that? Do you think the creators will remember to include this later?

I think you are confusing it also. He said that Alex is his dad's half-sister, not his half-sister. Alex is his aunt.

Erm, yes....Did you read any further after this post of mine? If you do then you will see that I immediately catch this myself and clear it up. I posted this comment around three in the morning. Excuse me.

[Wisi Girl]

...I never fully accepted the value of Bree to the degree that most have within this community. However, as this series progresses, I see that she is wanted a great deal. If she is some supreme/chosen individual, (becuase, if she was among a few thousand, than couldn't they move on to another?) then this would explain the differences in how she was raised in comparison to Alex.

Bree said that only a very small number ("a fraction of a percentile") of those thousands of girls develop the necessary characteristics.

A "fraction of a percentile" doesn't equal to ONE individual. Bree cannot be the ONLY girl available, right? I suppose this series wouldn't survive if we stuck to this reality of the situation. Then again, there are so many aspects of the series where, with application of logic, it would falter.

[Lurker]

...I never fully accepted the value of Bree to the degree that most have within this community. However, as this series progresses, I see that she is wanted a great deal. If she is some supreme/chosen individual, (becuase, if she was among a few thousand, than couldn't they move on to another?) then this would explain the differences in how she was raised in comparison to Alex.

Bree said that only a very small number ("a fraction of a percentile") of those thousands of girls develop the necessary characteristics.

A "fraction of a percentile" doesn't equal to ONE individual. Bree cannot be the ONLY girl available, right? I suppose this series wouldn't survive if we stuck to this reality of the situation. Then again, there are so many aspects of the series where, with application of logic, it would falter.

It doesn't mean one, no, but it's unlikely that all the girls are the same age. Supposing they have to be Bree's age, the next available one may not be available for a few years. I think it's understandable why she's so important to them. Girls like her are so rare and they've spent 17 years' worth of money, time and patience on her.