LG Video "Interrogation 101" [DISCUSSION]

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:42 pm

some people have said the b-word is too lame a trigger word, that DB would have been triggered long ago. But think about it.

~ They don't seem to watch ANY TV; they're pretty occupied with the task at hand
~ Yes, they do cuss, but apparrently only under duress(sp?)
~ It could have been made such a simple cussword because they needed DB to be triggered soon.

I REALLY like the idea of "Relax. I'm on your side" being a response. Like those classic spy movies where someone says a secret codeword/phrase, the person says a special phrase/word back to them to let them know "yeah, you got the right person".

:reads the echoey lines as part of one thing:

:shudders: WHOOO! maybe, if Jonas is a part of the Order (I like the idea of him being a babysitter) maybe this is telling Jonas he's getting the boot; ca-reepy!!

Ruberic · Post by **Ruberic** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:02 pm

I have a quick question...

HOW did Bree and Daniel get Jonas tie up? He is a boxer...he could easily have taken Daniel and Bree? This seems to be a problem for me.

EDIT:

Also, I have been pushing the "Jonas is a babysitter" line for a LONG time now. HOWEVER: I do believe that Jonas WAS having second thoughts.

If I was right...Bree's actions may push Jonas back into following the plan that Op Aphid had lined up for him.

deagol · Post by **deagol** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 6:41 pm

Is Daniel spoon-feeding him? How does he go to the bathroom? Is Daniel escorting him? In that case, he would need to be untied and then tied again, and I'd imagine he'd have a good chance of doing something or escaping in that situation... or, they're not untying him at all, so Daniel must be holding and shaking and wiping...

ok this is ridiculous.

tiltingwindward · Post by **tiltingwindward** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:16 am

If we're hypothesizing that "Relax. I'm on your side." is Daniel acknowledging his trigger word unconsciously, then I don't think "bitch" is the trigger word. I've been looking into this a little bit since yesterday, and it looks to me like a pre-conditioned response usually comes directly after the trigger, not randomly later in the conversation. If this is the case, then the trigger is somewhere in the line "I'm done with you" (or it's the whole line).

This actually makes a little bit of sense when you look at Jonas' previous lines. He's getting really worked up; Daniel's not untying him, and I think Jonas is legitimately angry and very scared, since no one know what happens when Bree goes around the bend. He loses control, decides he can't handle it anymore, and says "This has gone far enough." Then, he tells Daniel to untie him. Daniel doesn't, so Jonas decides to use the trigger (or a trigger, since I'm still undecided about whether Jonas knows THE trigger). He tells Daniel to shut up, and waits until Daniel mostly does before he says "I'm done with you." And then Daniel responds, "Relax. I'm on your side," which Daniel patently isn't. He's on Bree's side, at least for now. That's why Jonas is still tied up. The point is, it's an uncharacteristic thing for Daniel to say.

This leaves the question of whether things went as Jonas planned, and whether his subsequent disappearance is the result of a planned departure via OpA, or a sudden and unexpected escape.

Note: I realize that some of this invalidates parts of the theory I proposed yesterday. What can I say?...I'm still working through it myself.

tristan · Post by **tristan** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:30 am

Continuing with the assumption of "Relax. I'm on your side". Tilting, I agree the trigger looks like its "I'm done with you" which by itself is not an entirely bizarre line but also not one you here everyday. And I have no ability in editting the video feed but from the naked eye it looked to me like the rope was cut and not untied by Jonas somehow.

It's impossible to tell whether this was Op's plan for everything but I expect the next Jonas video to not shed any light on this either since he'll probably still be acting the part. Although I think whether it went according to plan or not Op is gonna get a victory of some sorts out of this

Oh and I think your theory is still right on tilting

janesalteredstates · Post by **janesalteredstates** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:32 pm

I don't think either one of them is "working for The Order."

My theory/belief quickly:
Daniel is being used as a tool because he was brainwashed (just in case anyone forgot).

Jonas' family has a past with The Order, but is not doing what Gemma did. He is not Gemma. There is something hidden, but I am guessing it has more to do with finding out what happened to his parents. Or something else I haven't thought of.

But they're both "innocent" in the simplest sense.

Hopefully this will get to the point of a Hitchcockian paranoia on Bree's part.
"Who do I trust?!?"
*weird dreams with faces flying in diagonally repeating words they said in the past*
"I'm all alone!"

etc

tiltingwindward · Post by **tiltingwindward** » Sun Mar 04, 2007 2:27 am

Tristan: at least some of Jonas' bonds had to have been cut, because his wrists were secured with zip ties. The only way to remove those things once they're on is to cut them.

Jane: I agree that Daniel is not "working for the Order," in the sense that you use it. Whether he's doing the Order's work unconsciously is a completely different issue. I've believed Jonas was a tool of the Order from the beginning, though, so we may have to just agree to disagree there.