[Discussion] Semiotics Contents: Image/Symbols

[klgglk]

The non-Pi:
Nu - hieroglyph for the snake ~ knock is it doesnt fit the bill real well [but Mu isnt perfect either]

Lowercase Eta - hieroglyph for courtyard ~ knock is none of the others were in lowercase greek [and uppercase doesnt fit well]

I'm thinking it might be helpful to think of it in terms of the ligature creators' point of view: if you were making a ligature and wanted to combine Eta and Theta (the capital letters), how best to do that? The lower left symbol is one of the most logical ways. Nu + Theta? might look different.

They would have had in mind what symbols to combine first, and then found a way to combine them second. If they are communicating something, meaning is primary. So the way the symbols are combined probably has a little more room for error and warping, as we've seen already with the Mu in the watcher symbol.

[paigeb25]

Has anyone thought that it looks a lot like a capital T (Tachyon) and a capital "O" (OpAphaid) ? Thats what I think of when I see it...

maybe a sign that they once where together..one became a part of the order while the other became a helper or watcher...

or---they are a mix of good and evil

[Sheqinah]

Played with the same picture again and found another symbol embedded on top of the skull....

All the other pictures i could not see what others are seeing but here, there is definitely the same symbol that Bree found in Jonas house. The oval with a dot inside and two legs.

Good work!

[ApotheosisAZ]

Borrowing a couple of images here.

I have done some mechanical drawing in the past, and these two look almost like a spatial orientation test.

If you take the watcher symbol, and assume it is rendered here as a circular object seen from the front and above:



Imagine it is like a table with a solid surface. If you had an axis of rotation directly through the center dot, and you rotated the "table" 45 degrees, you would get this:




I think they may be a pair of two-dimensional images of the same three-dimensional object.

[janesalteredstates]

OK, what if...
The Order was once, long ago, one of the most powerful groups on the planet, but, like all powerful groups, The Order succumbed to in-fighting. This "Order" broke into two (maybe more) factions.

I vote for two:

and


The other symbols are adjectives or verbs.

My recent crazy theory

[Lurker]

I think they may be a pair of two-dimensional images of the same three-dimensional object.

Thus, parallax?

[Sheqinah]

In lui of the new video I suggest we focus on Theta/Pi.

That is the symbol Bree allegedly found in Jonas' cabin.

I think the theta/Pi embossed in the corner is there to show significance. It took a while to see the skull, and I think it comes mostly from the curve of the theta for the back of the skull, but it fits. Theta is the death warning right?

So the theta/Pi is a death section of the order. The watchers watch, but this may be a different group in the order that performs the "D" in aphid (destroyers)

Bree found the theta/Pi symbol... the same symbol hidden in the watcher explaination picture. Jonas (gasp) could be part of the d in aphid, while the watchers are the A.

This is the warning sent at the time Bree needed to have it, alone in the woods. It also explains why the watchers had a hands off attitude. They cannot touch her. But obviously there is a part of the order than can kill, re: Bree's Dad.

It took me a little bit, but I see the 76... the rest is a stretch for me at this time.

Edit to add: That the Right hand side seems to be the edge of a book to me, that means that the 76 , which looks like a lighographic typestyle of a perfect 76, could be a book page. A Nancy Drew book is my thought.

Also, might be nothing, nothing at all, but when I clicked on one picture someone posted here to save it, it was filed as 414d414c47414d4154494f4e. It makes no sense that saving a picture off of a video would produce a code, but then again I no little about file collecting.

[raigne]

I think they may be a pair of two-dimensional images of the same three-dimensional object.

Thus, parallax?

That was what I thought of when I read that. I've been trying to figure out exactly why this arc is called parallax since it hasn't really come into play yet.

[sparrow]

Pi comes from Pe (Phoenecian letter), which probably came from "mouth." The voice of the sun/heaven?

Is there any possibility that the two-legged watcher-like sign comes from theta + omega? Omega comes from Ayin, the eye. Eye of the sun? Another type of watcher?

Sorry if this has been looked at.

I like Apotheosis's idea about them being two different "shots" of the same object.

[Luminous]

Borrowing a couple of images here.

I have done some mechanical drawing in the past, and these two look almost like a spatial orientation test.

If you take the watcher symbol, and assume it is rendered here as a circular object seen from the front and above:



Imagine it is like a table with a solid surface. If you had an axis of rotation directly through the center dot, and you rotated the "table" 45 degrees, you would get this:




I think they may be a pair of two-dimensional images of the same three-dimensional object.

I have been looking at these pics from every possible angle, and Damn Apo, I like this theory! Wish I had thought of it

[janesalteredstates]

Apo, that is brilliant.

Two sides of the same coin... or table? Or eye? Well, you know...

Wouldn't two sides suggest something like the old "good vs. evil" thing we hear so much about in the land of storytelling?

[KelQuelle]

your theory is definately good. but its not over doing it, is it? i actually kind of think we have been over analyzing from the beginning.

[Killthesmiley]

OK, what if...
The Order was once, long ago, one of the most powerful groups on the planet, but, like all powerful groups, The Order succumbed to in-fighting. This "Order" broke into two (maybe more) factions.

I vote for two:

and


The other symbols are adjectives or verbs.

My recent crazy theory

did you just read that off my plot discussion thread???

lol

[janesalteredstates]

OK, what if...
The Order was once, long ago, one of the most powerful groups on the planet, but, like all powerful groups, The Order succumbed to in-fighting. This "Order" broke into two (maybe more) factions.

I vote for two:

and


The other symbols are adjectives or verbs.

My recent crazy theory

did you just read that off my plot discussion thread???

lol

No, what's the link?

[Killthesmiley]

In the pictures in the file that we cracked we saw two symbols: the watcher symbol and another one, without the middle line.
They were in both pictures, yet in one picture the "deformed watcher" (as I cheekily call it) is a "ghost" image, meaning that its completely transparent. So transparent that we almost over looked it, until someone noticed it.

So what if there are two sides to this coin, two sides that go back way before tachyon and opaphid. What if these two side go back to ancient times. The watchers, and the "do-ers." What if, back then they worked together, but then ther was a conflict that sperated them in opinion, hence the ghost/transparent image. What if the two sides are like forces working literally against each other, but with similar goals. One side is an extremist side (Which i think could be the order), the other side a more realistic side.

Now just like the watchers orginization, the "Do-ers" orginization has survived time. But it has literally been a war with each other. Hence Jonas' parent's disappearance.

My feelings is that Jonas' parents were followers of what I humorously call "the do-ers" (opposite of watchers)

Its the first post of Jonas=Order? over in plot discussion