Jonas and Daniel - both agents?

[Logan]

I'd never given the thought that either of the boys were secretly operatives under Bree's nose that much weight, but the last two videos really made me wonder. In fact, I made a few assumptions and saw how they fit.

Assumption 1: Daniel is a member of the Order.

Assumption 2: Jonas is a member of OpAphid.

Assumption 3: Both know Assumptions 1 & 2.

Assumption 4: OpAphid is the "Opus Dei" of the Order.

Which, way back in the timeline, would explain Daniel agreeing to give Jonas a test and then reversing himself when he passed.

Even further back, OpAphid bugged Daniel's room. Now, simple cell phone static was what prompted Daniel to find the bug? It didn't sound like all that much interference - I certainly wouldn't have thought much of it, unless I knew that there was a high likelihood that my place would have some sort of device implanted.

Capturing Daniel would serve their purposes two-fold - leverage on Bree, and also information gathering on what the Order is up to. It may explain why they were so aggressive.

(Or - they had no idea he was Order until after capturing him.)

This would also explain Daniel's reluctance to attack the Order, while Jonas is all for it. Either they would weaken the Order, or prove that there's no chance for escape.

Jonas in "Watch This!" is completely ready to attack the Watcher, whom is passive and only responds when struck (or attempted strike). He's trying to stir something up. Force the Order to do something overt, or realize that they can't observe passively anymore. They'll have to enter the game actively or get out.

There was a theory in the comments for "Yellow Snow" discussing whether or not Daniel was sending a text message, explaining why he was out there for so long. This would also explain Jonas' desire to interrupt this. (And also why the scene was shown in the first place, if not for comic relief.)


Possible conflicts:

Katharine McPhee episode: Unless McPhee was also a member of the Order, this is a serious breach of security by Daniel, and if we assume that Daniel is aware of Jonas' connections, he would not be that stupid to let his guard down so strongly.

The Human Ransom / Future Tachyon vid: If Tachyon shoots out a vid and is unscathed, it would be a serious failure on Jonas' part to have not had her and Brother dealt with while they were at his house.


Conclusion

Those two conflicts really are huge. I just am not sure the conspiracy runs that deep. But it was fun to think about.

[Balmung]

uhhh no.

they're both good.

[Logan]

Are you certain? Why are you certain.

C'mon, now, the whole point of this exercise is to think about it.

[longlostposter]

This would also explain Daniel's reluctance to attack the Order, while Jonas is all for it.

Don't forget, Daniel was the one who'd been kidnapped. This may be the reason for his reluctance. It's one thing to act with no prior bad experience, and quite another to act after you've been bitten before. I hope that makes sense.

Even further back, OpAphid bugged Daniel's room. Now, simple cell phone static was what prompted Daniel to find the bug? It didn't sound like all that much interference - I certainly wouldn't have thought much of it, unless I knew that there was a high likelihood that my place would have some sort of device implanted.

Are you sure that wasn't a surveillance detecting device? That's what I've always thought.

The thought that both Daniel and Jonas could be members of the Order, or that Jonas has always been, and then Daniel was hyponotized while in their custody, and now is working for the Order against his will, have both occurred to me. If they are indeed going to Jonas' cabin, and it's secluded, this could be where the Order wants to carry out the ceremony. Of course that would mean they would need some kind of leverage to get Bree to do it by choice.

[Christie91]

This is actually very plausable and a very good theory. But your right with those conflicts, they are very very large conflicts.

[Killthesmiley]

what I found interesting in Yellow Snow, Jonas was determined to keep using the cell phone...

only an idiot would do that in that situation. An idiot or a member of the order.
Now I love Jonas and I started to have faith in the man.....but that was jsut plain idiotic.

[longlostposter]

Maybe someone's said this before, but I just got one of those moments.

Jonas made sure that Daniel had his cell phone before he went out to Pins and Pints the night he was abducted.

Does this make sense, or had OpAphid already tracked him by the cell phone before that night?

[Killthesmiley]

well assuming they've been using cell phones all along, they've been tracking him since he discovered the cameras in his room. But the longer the signal is bouncing off the towers, the more accurate the location is. Sooo, they probably ahd a general idea, but not a specific idea.

[nobackspacebutton]

But if Jonas is supposed to represent the viewers, and Jonas is helping OpAphid (by all those cell phone theories), then does that really reflect us? Are we all just members of this forum, created by the Order, to investigate Bree and Daniel?

[longlostposter]

But if Jonas is supposed to represent the viewers, and Jonas is helping OpAphid (by all those cell phone theories), then does that really reflect us? Are we all just members of this forum, created by the Order, to investigate Bree and Daniel?

I'll investigate Daniel; someone else can do Bree.