whats in a name

tristan · Post by **tristan** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:58 pm

first time, long time here but i thought some of the names used in the series were interesting, dont know how much of it was intentional.

jonas is a variant of either john or jonah. jonah was an old testament prophet [the one who got swallowed by the whale], john was one of the four new testament gospel writers

daniel was an old testament prophet too, he was cast into a den of lions but was 'miraculously' saved

also cassie [or cassandra] in greek mythology was given the gift of prophecy but was cursed in that no one would ever believe her predictions

nothing too good for lucy or gemma but the name denderah is the name of the modern arab town. the ancient site is Ta-ynt-netert [taken from wikipedia] and that means 'She of the Divine Pillar' - poss meaning Bree

PinkoLady · Post by **PinkoLady** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:02 pm

also cassie [or cassandra] in greek mythology was given the gift of prophecy but was cursed in that no one would ever believe her predictions

Haha, yeah, that always makes me wonder if maybe itscassie is canon after all.

Nieriel.Manwathiel · Post by **Nieriel.Manwathiel** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:53 pm

old theory.

....old theory that NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED!!!

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:30 pm

Welcome, tristan!

This is interesting. Do you think the name Lucy might have been chosen because there is no biblical Lucy?

I think you are onto something here, and I welcome you again!

PinkoLady · Post by **PinkoLady** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:33 pm

Lucy-fer?

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:44 pm

PinkoLady wrote:Lucy-fer?

Though "Lucy" and "Lucifer" are both of Latin origin, "Lucy" only means "light," while "Lucifer" means "light bringer" (and in ancient times - including in the Bible passage that made it famous - it was actually used specificially as a reference to the "morning star," Venus; that whole thing about it being the angelic name for Satan was a massive contextual oversight the Church made centuries ago because of chronic tunnel vision).

PinkoLady · Post by **PinkoLady** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:54 pm

I think the difference in Lucy and Lucifer could be overlooked because of how bizarre it would be to name a female character "Lucifer"

(and as people still refer to him as "the morning star," it's not unbelievable). The satan of course, means "adversary," (and not "ultimate abyss of evil" or whathaveyou)-- which would be fitting for Lucy, and the giant grey area that is the Order.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:59 pm

PinkoLady wrote:I think the difference in Lucy and Lucifer could be overlooked because of how bizarre it would be to name a female character "Lucifer" (and as people still refer to him as "the morning star," it's not unbelievable). The satan of course, means "adversary," (and not "ultimate abyss of evil" or whathaveyou)-- which would be fitting for Lucy, and the giant grey area that is the Order.

My point was more that the meaning or origin of the word didn't have any connection to Satan, and it would kind of be a misstep to go in that direction with it. Though it's such a commonly held misconception that I guess it would serve the purpose well enough.

PinkoLady · Post by **PinkoLady** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:01 am

I understood, and that was my point when I said that people still refer to the satan as "the morningstar"... since that's still so commonly done, it doesn't seem an unlikely connection to me, based on a misconception though it may be.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:03 am

PinkoLady wrote:I understood, and that was my point when I said that people still refer to the satan as "the morningstar"... since that's still so commonly done, it doesn't seem an unlikely connection to me, based on a misconception though it may be.

Ah, I see now. Sorry. Funny that this talk of misunderstandings had me make one. Anyway, yeah, I guess you're right. I don't have to like it, but I guess it makes sense well enough.

PinkoLady · Post by **PinkoLady** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:07 am

Haha, it's all good... and believe me, I completely understand how feel.

tristan · Post by **tristan** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:23 am

i think lucy could definitely be taken as lucifer-satan [especially with the adversary meaning].

its kind of a stretch but what i wondered was whether the fact each of the characters closest to bree have names with prophetic significance means that bree is thought to be the prophet for the order of denderah

PinkoLady · Post by **PinkoLady** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:06 am

That doesn't seem like so much of a stretch-- they definitely all have that prophet thing going. Aye, I'd like to delve further into a theory I have to add on to that, but I'm lacking the time.

[I always enjoyed looking into the more "religious" aspect of LG15.]

Balmung · Post by **Balmung** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:46 am

Lurker wrote:
PinkoLady wrote:Lucy-fer?
Though "Lucy" and "Lucifer" are both of Latin origin, "Lucy" only means "light," while "Lucifer" means "light bringer" (and in ancient times - including in the Bible passage that made it famous - it was actually used specificially as a reference to the "morning star," Venus; that whole thing about it being the angelic name for Satan was a massive contextual oversight the Church made centuries ago because of chronic tunnel vision).

elaborate -- i understand that lucifer translates to bringer of light (lucius mean roughly the same thing), but i always thought that it was because satan was God's right hand man before he betrayed him.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:45 am

Balmung wrote:elaborate -- i understand that lucifer translates to bringer of light (lucius mean roughly the same thing), but i always thought that it was because satan was God's right hand man before he betrayed him.

That is correct.

The word Satan (i.e. Lucifer) means "the accuser" in Hebrew; while devil is "tempter".