Wait...what?

[newworldview]

[quote="Kelly"]Okay, I LOVED the Tachyon rescue video with a passion. It was new, and exciting and something we had been waiting for for a LONG time.

But now, we seem to be back at square one. Well...square two at least. I mean. Bree, Daniel and Jonas are back at Jonas' house, the order is still desperate to get their hands on Bree and Tachyon and Brother have headed back into obscurity.

It just seems that for something to happen, they're going to have to do the same thing again. Unless Tachyon and Brother become front page type canon (which they should) and THEY actually do something to drive the plot foreward. At this point, I don't think there's anything else Bree herself can do...other than if one of them gets captured again.

What has to happen for this to end? I'm not saying I WANT it to end, but what exactly are we working towards? The complete annihilation of the order? Bree actually being forced to do the ceremony? Brother, Jonas, Tachyon and Daniel turning evil a la Rosmary's Baby and it all becomes one big conspiracy against Bree? Orrr...do Bree, Daniel and Jonas just take off, change their names and live happily ever after where they cannot be found? Hmmm...[/quote]

I completely agree. It seems like they read that we were all getting frustrated with the plot going nowhere, so they put a bunch of effort into a large video, but they didn't really come up with a new storyLINE . . . just one episode. The new video didn't really give us any new information, it just confirmed most of our suspicions. So now we have nothing to guess about, nothing to solve, and no new information. They dangled the memory card in front of us, but gave us no hope of getting the info on it until "the time is right". When will the time be right? When the creators finally settle on a direction for the new storyline . ..

I'm getting tired of being led on for so long. We need a change of scenery, pace, and characters.

[Lurker]

This is America right? At least one of them is over 18? I think i can't be the first to wonder, why no guns?

Guns are not nearly as common in the US as you seem to believe. In my entire life, I think I've met maybe two people who owned a gun, and one of them was a real nutcase.

I have to agree with Sanjay. I honestly can't think of a realistic reason why they didn't have guns weeks ago (since Bree's dad got shot).

Getting a rifle or shotgun is as easy as going to Wal-Mart or a hunting store. And if you want a handgun, as long as you don't have anything in your history that would prevent you from legally purchasing one, that's simple too.

I actually find that guns (big and small) are extremely common and easy to come by, at least in the southeastern United States. I know of many people just around my neighborhood or around the city off the top of my head who own several guns of various sizes.

I'm not a gun advocate at all (I actually would prefer that no one but police and maybe registered hunters with registered guns be allowed to have them), but if I wanted to, I could legally have one less than an hour from now.


Now, on the issue of where the story goes from here, I think there's the chance of them slipping back into the pointless stage, but I don't think we've seen enough yet to pass judgment on whether it's going to just go in a circle. Really, I don't think they should have gone back to Jonas' place to stay. Maybe just to pick up some things before leaving again, but I do think it's quite ridiculus that they went back to stay.

I also have to say it's unrealistic for the Order to not already know where Jonas lives. They've already identified the area, and I can't imagine there being too many children inheriting a fortune after their parents disappear at sea. What's more, I can't imagine the Order managing to get one of Jonas' cars (back in "The Unthinkable Happened") and still not knowing where he lives.

Really, if they don't know by now, they're not as big a threat as we all have thought. And while they won't just go in and take Bree, I don't see what would stop them from just going in and taking Daniel or Jonas (or both), and starting this whole thing over again. In fact, I can't imagine why that's not how the kidnapping storyline began in the first place. Again, the Order should have known where Jonas is for weeks now if only because they have his car and there's only so many people with his life story. The story definitely has to move away from Jonas' place.


Before I forget, I wanted to comment on a few things here:

I see your point, but I think there is still a lot of new plotlines to discover. It's time to explore some of the mysteries here:

- Jonas's parents.
- Cassie.
- Bree's mom.
- Bree's real parents.
- wth is the Ceremony.
- The goal of the Order.
- The beliefs of the Order.
- The disk from Tachy.
- etc.

I can't think of any more, but you get the point. There's just so much left to answer, and I'm hoping we will be rewarded with some of these answers in this new arc.

Jonas' parents, Bree's biological parents, and Cassie all seem like good candidates to be irrelevant to the overall thing if you ask me. Right now, there's no reason to believe there's anything more to Cassie or Jonas' parents than what we've seen so far, and Bree's biological parents may or may not be important (that's probably going to depend on what made her special to the Order in the first place; if it was genetics, then that seems like a good reason to find out more about them; otherwise I don't think they would matter).

[theresascraps]

I think Cassie plays quite a large role in this saga, we just don't know it yet. I hope they will play that out a little more, I want to know more about her. also, there should probably be another drop coming soon, maybe a clue as to what is on the disc or in the note from Bree's parent s will be on that.

[Sanjay]

This is America right? At least one of them is over 18? I think i can't be the first to wonder, why no guns?

Guns are not nearly as common in the US as you seem to believe. In my entire life, I think I've met maybe two people who owned a gun, and one of them was a real nutcase.

Sanjay, where do you live? Not the US, I'd wager.

In any event, it never once occurred to me to wonder why B, D & J have no guns. In fact, I think including guns in the storyline would detract considerably from the story. Not being able to rely on firepower to resolve plot points forces the creators to be more, well, creative.

No i don't live in the US, that's true, it's just from what i've seen and heard from those travelling in the US, it seems fairly easy to get your hands on guns over there, after all with the laws that the republicans have implemented and amended with regards to availability of guns (from what little i remember) it seems quite easy to get your hands on them in many states.

I do agree that the lack of firearms is more creative and a good approach but yeah, it just seems strange that not one of them has even considered it.

Peace

[PinkoLady]

It's definitely true that in real life they should definitely have been protecting themselves better, with firearms, but in real life, Bree probably also could have tried having sex with Daniel or Jonas (or both?) to get out of doing the ceremony.

[Kasdeja]

Anyone touting it's so simple to get a handgun has obviously never tried to get one. It's not that easy, anymore, you realize.

[Lurker]

Anyone touting it's so simple to get a handgun has obviously never tried to get one. It's not that easy, anymore, you realize.

Perhaps it depends on which state you live in, but I do know it's pretty simple in the southeast United States. The only "difficult" part is waiting up to 90 days to have your concealed weapon permit approved.

From what I understand, California has some stricter laws (for instance, you need to provide a reason that you actually need a gun), but Jonas has money, from what we're told. And money has a funny habit of slipping through the cracks in rules.

Anyway, this talk of easy vs. not so easy really only applies to handguns. Rifles and shotguns are even easier to get, and that's including California. Rather ironically, the same laws don't apply because you can't conceal one on your hip or in the back of your pants.

[Kasdeja]

You can't just walk in and then walk out with one...and I live in a rural/hunting/redneck area.

If Jonas has a mansion...Jonas probably already has a gun.

[silvermoon]

At the very least they need to get some pepper spray and a stun gun! Maybe a few attack dogs for the mansion.

[Kasdeja]

No doubt...taser, anyone?

[Lurker]

You can't just walk in and then walk out with one...and I live in a rural/hunting/redneck area.

Are we talking about handguns or long guns? If it's handguns then I already agreed with you. It's not instant, but it's not difficult either (depending on the state).

Long guns you can just walk in and then walk out with, though. I also live in one of those areas and I see this. I have neighbors and relatives who have done this.

The state I live in doesn't keep track of the sell of rifles or shotguns, and though it does keep track of the sell of handguns, it doesn't require them to be registered (so the police still don't know who owns them when they're involved in crimes).

If Jonas has a mansion...Jonas probably already has a gun.

One would think so (especially after the incident with Bree's dad), but until he mentions it we can only assume he doesn't.

[sskylaarr]

I'm sorry, and i NEVER thought i'd say this:

the story is getting boring. They built up this confrentation so much, then just left it with a crappy ending where we're right back where we started. I loved the ' the human ransom ' vid, don't get me wrong. But it seems like the creators need to focus on making more interesting videos and quicker changes in the plot, rather than one interesting vids, 4 or 5 commenting/random ones, and another interesting vid.

It seems like all the analyzing and nit-picking we did in every video so far was a waste. Does anyone else feel slightly gypped? With the way they're going, they can't possibly tie up all the loose threads they've let unravel.

This has to end sooner or later, and i think that unless the plot picks up, i'm preying for sooner.


[i know im gonna get yelled at for this post =P]
does ANYONE agree?

[Lurker]

[i know im gonna get yelled at for this post =P]
does ANYONE agree?

You won't get yelled at by me. Up until "The Human Ransom," I was right there with you. However, considering how well they pulled that video off, it shows me that they can do something fantastic, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that maybe what we're seeing right now is a final calm period before things pick up the pace.

That said, I do think it was a poor decision on their part not to take advantage of all the mometum they'd achieved with "The Human Ransom." They seriously had the fanbase reeled in hook, line, and sinker all over again after that video came out. If the next videos had played off that and the momentum didn't disappear right away, I think they'd have probably been looking at a complete revival in the popularity.

[PinkoLady]

[i know im gonna get yelled at for this post =P]
does ANYONE agree?

If the next videos had played off that and the momentum didn't disappear right away, I think they'd have probably been looking at a complete revival in the popularity.

Can't say I disagree with either of you there.

They really need to stop following these epic videos with a series of "Real World"- style confessionals and totally blue-balling any potential climax.
Um....

Yeah.

[dramasmiles]

This is America right? At least one of them is over 18? I think i can't be the first to wonder, why no guns?

Guns are not nearly as common in the US as you seem to believe. In my entire life, I think I've met maybe two people who owned a gun, and one of them was a real nutcase.

Sanjay, where do you live? Not the US, I'd wager.

In any event, it never once occurred to me to wonder why B, D & J have no guns. In fact, I think including guns in the storyline would detract considerably from the story. Not being able to rely on firepower to resolve plot points forces the creators to be more, well, creative.

Hehe, here in the South, EVERYONE has a gun...including my 80 year old grandmother. Also, Sanjay IS right.

In the U.S. for 2001, there were 29,573 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 16,869; Homicide 11,348; Accident 802; Legal Intervention 323; Undetermined 231.(CDC, 2004)
This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. (CDC, 2004)
Over 50% of all households in the U.S. admit to having firearms (Nelson et al, 1987).

Languorous Lass, either you don't meet a lot of people (just kidding) or they just aren't being truthful with you.