[VIDEO] 2-10-07 The Human Ransom

[tiltingwindward]

And this is how we'll be able to identify each other in the future when we pass in the street...when all our cell phones start ringing to the Tachyon theme...

[Killthesmiley]

they are already uploaded guys!
THe URL for them and directions on how to get them on your phone are both in the Gen Dis area

[bethy]

There's been a lot of talk in this thread about where Tach was, how she got the flash grenade into the elvator, etc.

It doesn't make sense that she was physically there with them, but the editing and the music, and bowling comment all indicate it was her.


I'm thinking it was remotely done....Automatic Target Recognition.

This was posted by somebody last night ans seems to have been easily overlooked since it was the person's first post. It's odd, because those people seem to pop on, give a deatil of info or two, and then that's it.

Just a thought, in all of Tachyon's camera shots, in the corner it says ATR - Cam [insert number]. Unless someone's aware of a special meaning for ATR with Tachyon, that might be a clue as to the building.

There are also ATR cameras.

"Automatic/aided target recognition (ATR). Soldiers and image analysts routinely use advanced sensors of all types (infrared imaging, laser-radar, vibration, etc.) to detect and recognize enemy targets. But in the heat of battle, intelligent systems are desperately needed to help people process the deluge of images...Cameras are everywhere, but who is looking at all the images? Computer vision systems enable computers to do some of the looking. The human visual system is enormously capable, but people tire and get distracted; a computer vision system provides consistent performance 24/7. We develop systems for pedestrian/vehicle detection and tracking, event recognition (“person exiting car,” etc.), license plate detection, and 3D reconstruction of an object from its image."

[Onewen]

No lyrics!

I'll be working on turning that into a ring tone within the next 48 hours.

Hells yes!

I got mine! it ROX!

[tiltingwindward]

Bethy, thank you for bringing that post back to our attention. It certainly provides a good explanation for the ATR tag on the shots. The other theory I've heard is that ATR stands for Atrium, and is an abbreviation for the location of the security cameras, which Brother/Tach have hacked into (again). I'm sort of inclined to lean toward the ATR meaning atrium, or a physical location, just because the cameras shown inside the elevator say "Elevator," but the ATR system that ladyoftheforest cites is very convincing as well. It's especially compelling if the cameras can be set to recognize a certain action (like the elevator door opening). I guess we'll just have to see.

[Magesa]

Wow... so much to respond to!

I've never really participated with the ARG before, only the normal forum chats, so I'm not quite sure what to post.

Bree doesn't seem very big on disclosing her really big plans -- remember the one where she met her Dad? That turned out badly, but this didn't -- I'm nearly positive everybody made it out. Bree and Tachyon have been in contact for awhile. They planned this. I love how our Bree really is smart!

I think Bree stopped the elevator and managed to get out right away, maybe even before the flash bomb went off? EDIT: I watched video again, she was definitely still in the elevator when the flash bomb went off.

Anybody else notice how weird it was that all of the Order members were wearing sunglasses, almost as if they anticipated the flash bomb (nott that the sunglasses seemed to do them much good!).

But I bet Bree had something to help her prepare for it... she had known about all of this in advance, of course.

A random thought just occured to me... maybe the Creators post those oddly informative "first posts" just to lead us onto the right track... I know it's crazy, but that post that Bethy brought our attention to was so useful, odd for a first post! Previously I never doubted that Tachyon was physically there, but now I'm not sure.

I'm sorry that all I've really done is repeat stuff -- again, I'm new to this ARG game! But this was an awesome thread to read!

[mellie3204]

I just got done watching Me for Daniel on Youtube and noticed the tags for it : LG15 lonelygirl15 daniel danielbeast lucy swap order ceremony go through with it tachyon

!!!

We all can't have missed that, surely??

But then, I can't see the tags mentioned in the video thread for Me for Daniel...

....could we all really have missed something so obvious? Is it possible it was changed after the fact?

[Loki]

Something that everyone seems to be overlooking with the sunglasses indoors thing, is that sunglasses, or glasses in general really, change the shape of the human face and can act like a mask (think superheroes/supervillains) to disguise the actual identity of the wearer.

I have had people tell me that I look very different without my glasses (and a few not even recognize me at first!) I think that it was not so much that they were expecting a flashbang, and more that they just didn't want Jonas (and his camera) to see their faces, but they weren't going to pull paper bags or ski masks over their heads for this little operation... they wouldn't look "cool" like that!

[Magesa]

Something that everyone seems to be overlooking with the sunglasses indoors thing, is that sunglasses, or glasses in general really, change the shape of the human face and can act like a mask (think superheroes/supervillains) to disguise the actual identity of the wearer.

I have had people tell me that I look very different without my glasses (and a few not even recognize me at first!) I think that it was not so much that they were expecting a flashbang, and more that they just didn't want Jonas (and his camera) to see their faces, but they weren't going to pull paper bags or ski masks over their heads for this little operation... they wouldn't look "cool" like that!

And I am defeated by the voice of reason... you're right, Loki. That makes the most sense by far.

[deagol]

no she was reaching down to pull jonas up i thought

Really? WonderBree! Seriously, that sounds silly to me, and would probably just delay them more as she was blocking Daniel's advance. I think as soon as Jonas saw Lucy right there he realized he wouldn't make it out without confronting her, that's when he knew he had to hand Bree the camera. He even said at the very end, "Seriously, go" in a resigned way.

Here's my analisys of those last few seconds (refer to the screen caps below):

I counted the steps Bree takes to climb that last flight of stairs. There are 11 steps. Assuming the previous flight of stairs is the same, and it takes half a second to turn the corner in the landing, Lucy would reach the top in 5.4 seconds, or around 02.23.10 (min:second.frame, where frame is 00-29).

Assuming Daniel can start climbing the ladder on that last 02:20.03 frame, and if he can climb as fast as Bree (arguable), at the time Lucy reaches the top (3 seconds later) he'd be on the 4th or 5th rung, barely making it out in time, but making it impossible for Jonas to start climbing.

So, the only options for Jonas to make it out are: 1. He popped Lucy in the shades, 2. Tachy was right behind Lucy and delayed her, 3. Lucy just tripped, or 4. Lucy is with them (unlikely but I'm sure another Lucy=Tachy will appeal to many). But, given the visual evidence below, which shows no indications suggesting any of those scenarios, Occam's razor points to Jonas staying behind. His attitude ("just go," hands camera) is the strongest clue.

Annotated screen caps:








hey i had fun doing these

[TOSG]

Impressive analysis!

I do, however, think that it's almost certain that Jonas (a decent-sized boxer, in good physical shape) could fend off Lucy (a skinny, petite blonde woman) for long enough to escape, provided that Lucy doesn't have a gun (and, if she does, why wouldn't she have drawn/shot by now?).

[deagol]

Impressive analysis!

I do, however, think that it's almost certain that Jonas (a decent-sized boxer, in good physical shape) could fend off Lucy (a skinny, petite blonde woman) for long enough to escape, provided that Lucy doesn't have a gun (and, if she does, why wouldn't she have drawn/shot by now?).

Have you seen Kill Bill 1 or 2? Uma Thurman is pretty much "a skinny, petite blonde woman" but trained to kill an oponent in a millisecond with her bare hands (a samurai sword helps too). Jonas might be prepared to punch a bad girl like Lucy in the face, but I doubt he could defend against more lethal techniques. And if she had a gun, she wouldn't start shooting from afar because of the risk of hitting Bree.

[Renegade]

...or maybe this is not a game, but not very realistic either

As somebody pointed out before, chances are if they had lost Jonas in the process, they'd have noted it one way or another. Daniel was clear enough in the head to post a message about the video and edit half of it, but forgets to tell us his best friend was abducted by the Order? I think not.

And even if he was too drugged up to miss this important piece of data, an experienced field agent (read: Tachyon) would have given us a clue about it in the video...and be it just a shot of Jonas being held by Lucy screaming "GO! JUST GO! LEAVE ME!".

I agree that, from a scientific point of view, it is highly unlikely Jonas could have escaped - but I am still convinced he did.

Think of it this way: What reason would Daniel or Tachyon have to withhold that information from us?

[Magesa]

Wow, deagol, those clips were intense! Thank you for all of that! You're making me worried!

(But I still think Jonas is okay. Even if Lucy did reach him, he'd be okay... and it isn't mentioned. I don't think the Creators would have Jonas captured now. Lucy was there for more tension, I think. But you have put a serious doubt into my head!)

[islandlove]

did anyone figure out what bree said to daniel?