Spin Programming

[tenshiakui]

*slinks out of lurker shadows*

Previous programing....

Didn't Daniel go to Bree's summer camp one year?

Not this past one he went to see the play, but the one before, when he taped it for Bree's dad.

Early indoctrination?

*fades to black*

[trainer101]

I have some Illuminati sites favorited from a while back that go into detail about it too. If this is what happened to Daniel, then he has had past programming done already to create these different alters. You don't do this with just anyone off the street.

This is true. Programming like this takes time. Daniel appeared way too relaxed in the video - not "forced" in the way you would expect from a hostage. I suspect that the Order inflitrated Daniels family long ago. They may not even be aware of it.

Gotta love those Illuminati - so sneaky

[Luv2Skydive]

*slinks out of lurker shadows*

Previous programing....

Didn't Daniel go to Bree's summer camp one year?

Not this past one he went to see the play, but the one before, when he taped it for Bree's dad.

Early indoctrination?

*fades to black*

You are correct....Bree mentioned in an early vid that Daniel had gone the year before so she didn't understand why he was acting weird about it now. IMO, it sounded like he didn't just go to the end-of-camp play either....it seemed like he went to the camp the entire time. That was my take anyway.


Yep, Trainer101, we *cough* I mean THEY are a tricky group.

[tenshiakui]

*slinks out of lurker shadows*

Previous programing....

Didn't Daniel go to Bree's summer camp one year?

Not this past one he went to see the play, but the one before, when he taped it for Bree's dad.

Early indoctrination?

*fades to black*

You are correct....Bree mentioned in an early vid that Daniel had gone the year before so she didn't understand why he was acting weird about it now. IMO, it sounded like he didn't just go to the end-of-camp play either....it seemed like he went to the camp the entire time. That was my take anyway.


Yep, Trainer101, we *cough* I mean THEY are a tricky group.

*slinkies again at this rate she may not be a lurker much longer!*

I had the same impression.

I also remember him speaking of the camp that summer, may have to recheck his response about it.

Perhaps the clue was placed before us a while back.

*fades to blackishness then slaps the shadows for trying to delurk her more*

[nobackspacebutton]

More information on Spin Programming and how that links to Bree's possible Dissociative Disorder (aka Multiple Personality Disorder).

Link: http://www.heart7.net/spin.html

Spin programming appears to be based on a combination of physical spinning, cognitive and imagery training, and repetition and practice aimed at creating an internal multi-alter spinJeannieit the pain or affective components of numerous traumatic memories simultaneously to large groups of targeted alters. This paper presents signs and symptoms commonly seen in patients subjected to spin programs, training methods apparently used to create spin programs, and an analysis of strengths and weaknesses of spin programming.

That old black magic has me in its spell, that old black magic that you weave so well. Those icy fingers up an down my spine, the same old witchcraft when your eyes meet mine, that same old tingle that I feel inside, and then that elevator starts its ride: Down and down I go. 'round and 'round l go, like a leaf that's caught in a tide ( ...) Darling, down and down I go, 'round and 'round I go, in a spin, loving the spin I'm in, under that old black magic called love. Johnny Mercer, c 1942, 1969

The psychological abuse is devastating and involves the use of ritual/indoctrination, which includes mind control techniques and mind altering drugs, and ritual/intimidation which conveys to the victim a profound terror of the cult members and of the evil spirits they believe cult members can command. Both during and after the abuse, most victims are in a state of terror, mind control, and dissociation in which disclosure is exceedingly difficult.

Therapists working with victims of ritual abuse often discover (or encounter compelling evidence) that their patients have been subjected to sophisticated mind control techniques, often called "programming," designed to compel them to do various things, including engaging in self-destructive behaviors such as suicide or self-mutilation; allowing access to perpetrators so that abuse may continue; responding to various cues, such as sounds, hand signals, lights, names or numbers, etc., by carrying out specific behaviors or behavior chains; disrupting psychotherapy in a number of ways, including thought-stealing or scrambling, outbursts of various emotions (anger, depression, terror, jealousy, apathy, etc.) and distancing from the therapist (by fearing the therapist, attempting to protect the therapist from harm by others or by the patient herself or himself, etc.). Neswald, Gould, and Graham-Costain (1991) provide a listing and descriptions of a number of typical ritual abuse programs.

Patients with histories of ritual abuse often reveal that programming techniques have been applied to them for at least two distinct purposes: (a) current or recent programming designed to harass or disrupt psychotherapy, and (b) programming begun early in life (often at birth), as the means by which programmers designed and built their victims' entire personality systems in order to achieve and maintain control over them. One technique has recently come to light that appears to have had utility both for harassment/disruption and for system-building. The technique is based on spinning.


Link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mind_cnt.htm

Elements of mind control programming are often believed to include:

A Satanic (or similar) religious cult, sometimes involved in criminal activities. Alternatively, a secret federal government agency or men's fraternal organization is involved.

The cult contains many civic leaders: local government office holders, police, judges, doctors, Christian clergy, etc. Many members attend Christian churches on Sunday and put on Satanic robes at other times.

The cult needs to develop robot-like behavior in children so that when they mature, they will take over the organization of the group and continue the abuse into the next generation.

The cult tests children at a young age. Those who are have an average or low ability to dissociate are killed in ritual sacrifices; those who can readily dissociate are retained for programming

By a highly sophisticated program of physical, emotional and sexual abuse, the children are taught to dissociate. When they are unable to handle the pain and terror, their mind drifts elsewhere to a safe place. They become able to block out the abuse. Eventually, the dissociation becomes so complete that multiple personalities are created.

The child will eventually have a single dominant personality which is in control most of the time, and is unaware of the programming and of the presence of the alters. However, control can be transferred to an alter for intervals of time.

As an adult, the survivor is unaware of the programming and SRA. They do not realize that they are suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) or Dissociative Identify Disorder (DID). Recollections of abuse are locked up in the alters' memories.

One of her alters is recalled periodically by the cult for further abuse and programming. This often occurs on "call-back" years, at ages 27, 30, 33 etc. when the survivor feels that she must either return or kill herself. She might be recalled for an entire weekend of abuse; on Monday morning her memories are a complete blank, although her physical condition would be dreadful.

A few adults are driven by emotional problems to seek therapy. Under hypnosis and other suggestive treatments, awareness of the alters and of the cult abuse and programming can emerge. Suicide ideation and successful suicides are relatively common among individuals recovering memory of SRA and of programming.

[silvermoon]

Thought I'd repost some of what I posted back in November. I was just crazy-posting at that point, but perhaps some of it is relevent to the current story line. Original thread is here: http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0

My newest (lol) theory is that Bree is so wrapped up with her stuffed animals because they were used as a tool (focus or trigger) for mind control since she was a little girl.

Here are some random supports of this theory:

People who are brainwashed are sometimes called "hand puppets".

Lucy reinforced Bree's relationship with the animals.

Bree seems to be very serious about the animals having influence over her. She made sure to take them with her when she went on the run.

There has also been some talk about the animals actually talking to Bree via some sort of brain implant, or perhaps she's just crazy and hearing voices.

From a Project Monarch site:


various forms of electronic mind control systems were developed and introduced, namely, bio-medical human telemetry devices (brain implants), directed-energy lasers using microwaves and/or electromagnetics. It is reported these are used in conjunction with highly-advanced computers and sophisticated satellite tracking systems.



This would also account for the Order being able to find and follow Bree if her implant had a tracking system in it.

One of the levels of programming/mind control is called Gamma. It's described as:


GAMMA. Another form of system protection is through “deception” programming, which elicits misinformation and misdirection.


Gamma....Gemma. Many people have thought that Gemma was a part of the Order, giving Bree misinformation in order to keep track of her and keep her in line.

This one actually panned out, lol!

Along with alter programming, certain triggers are established that will cause a particular alter to emerge and perform their pre-programmed function. These triggers may be a word, sound, color, picture, time, date, hand sign, etc., or a combination of events.


Color : Purple Monkey?

Picture: Alister Crowley (maybe he doesn't really have anything to do with the plot??)

Date: Ummm, if I have to explain that one...

Hand sign: three fingers to get attention?

Could the spin art be Daniel's trigger? Perhaps he had been programmed at an early age? We've never seen his parents, nor do we know much about them. Maybe they are part of the Order and have just kept Daniel out of it except for the parts he can't remember during programming. Maybe this is why they don't seem to have a problem with him running off with Bree -- it's what he's been supposed to do since the beginning.

[nobackspacebutton]

silvermoon: A lot of that makes sense...especially dealing with Bree's stuffed animals, more specifically with P. Monkey. Throughout her whole life she has been programmed, not just lied to, to believe and follow the orders instructions. She was taught to dissociate from psychologists and anyone asking her too many questions--which is why she dissociated from Jonas and Daniel when they began asking and performing those mental exersizes.

Spin Programming is usually used over a period of time, either from an early age or periodically thoughout life. I don't think that over a few days, they could control Daniel with it, unless they were using mind altering drugs, which is possible from the way Daniel was acting.

[silvermoon]

I really believe that either Daniel or Jonas will prove to have been involved (in one way or another) with the Order for years.

It makes perfect sense (to me at least, lol) to believe that Daniel had been an Order baby as well. Maybe he was taken at a young age as well, and his "parents" just didn't bond with him as well as Bree seems to have bonded with hers, thus the at "arms length" way Daniel's parents seem to treat him.

And if the programming can be erased from your memory each time it happens, Daniel just might not remember all those years of programming and abuse. But as soon as they flipped that spin art in front of him -- bam! He was all about the Order again.

Poor Daniel. He's going to need some MAJOR therapy when this is all over...

[nobackspacebutton]

[betz28]

BA always does so much research ~

thanks for the info on spin programming ~ uhmmmmmm interesting

and daniel did appear to be on drugs

[DDeiDoll]

This might be completely stupid...probably is, but what the heck here i go...This whole spin thing is really interesting, now remember in purple monkey returns how the toliet seat was up, well im wondering, maybe this has something to do with this spin programing (i went and watched my toliet and it is very spinny, she locked her self in there maybe to make her self not be emotional so she watched the potty, probably not but im putting it out there cause maybe someone smarter then me will have something to say, so.... im probably just crazy

[spaciegirlreturn]

op aphid sucks. Spirograph is so much cooler than spin art.

[nobackspacebutton]

This might be completely stupid...probably is, but what the heck here i go...This whole spin thing is really interesting, now remember in purple monkey returns how the toliet seat was up, well im wondering, maybe this has something to do with this spin programing (i went and watched my toliet and it is very spinny, she locked her self in there maybe to make her self not be emotional so she watched the potty, probably not but im putting it out there cause maybe someone smarter then me will have something to say, so.... im probably just crazy

Usually spin programming isn't just based on a spin, but on imagery of a sort...like colors.

[Lurker]

I can see how this might make sense, but there's a few things about it that I have to ask. If Daniel has been programmed with an alternate personality for the spin art to trigger, why did they not have him activated all along (either from childhood or from when he went to Bree's camp a couple years ago, whenever this programming would have happened)?

Next, if he got hypnotized at Bree's camp two summers ago, I can't see why it would make sense to go to the trouble of creating this personality for him if they were just going to leave it off, and it also doesn't really seem to fit since "Daniel" in "Miss Me?" doesn't seem to know anything more about Bree's religion than Daniel ever did before. He still refers to it as "the religion you [Bree] were into," not "my religion," so they didn't create a Order-dedicated Daniel who got to learn anything at the summer camp that was focused on learning about the religion. The most he seems to know is that they have pizza, ice cream, and spin art.

On the idea that he might have been an OpAphid baby, for what reason would they have ever needed to create an ignorant personality for him if his original personality was interested in the religion? As an OpAphid baby, it's to be expected that he would have been like Bree. Children who get indoctrinated in a religion from day one tend to believe in it, especially when they're kept away from learning about anything else (again, like Bree)? Which would also bring up the question of why Daniel would have ever been allowed the freedom he's gotten to learn about anything else.

I also have to wonder why they would have never just "activated" him when he started making trouble for them months ago.

Finally (this last question is to silvermoon), even with Bree and Daniel going to the same school, how would the Order have ever known that they would actually end up becoming friends?

[longlostposter]

If someone else has said this, please accept my apology.

This just hit me like a ton of bricks. Spin Art is many colors of paint being thrown onto a card that is spinning, and this creates an image very similar to some of the ones that are used during hyponotism.

Daniel has been hypnotised, and therefore cannot be trusted.