My Helper [9.28.06]

[M80mayhem]

I definitly think YouTube is doing something to keep these vids from appearing on the site. I received a YouTube Bulliton a few hours ago that said the video has been uploaded.

[minsky]

This thing is freaking me out . AHHHH

Anyone else notice that Bree had coloured nail polish on? Just jumped out at me. I watched the previous 10 or so vid's to check and sure enough either it's clear lacquer or she has none on.

Probably nothing but I find myself looking for clues everywhere.

How cute does she look when she nods her head after saying she is back on track now.

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[Hannahbee]

yeah about that oxen thing- i definitely feel like it's a fable that i've heard somewhere before, and there's some kind of deep solution to the problem that's so simple you never saw it coming... if this were the old Bree and not the half-brainwashed Bree, i bet she would have completed the story and made it a peace offering video.

although that yoked with unbelievers verse does fit fantastically.

and i DO have to admit, as a devout Christian, there's a friend or two of mine that i've had to cut off for awhile cuz they were just too aggressive about attacking my beliefs. but bree is just TOO sensitive. and i think it's other people's influences on her thoughts (like her parents and the "helper"), not just her being overly-sensetive by nature.

[SharpDressedMan]

As for the oxen story, I found it strange that the stronger ox was on the inside of the circle. Usually it's the other way around, the weaker puller is slower and causes it to turn into that direction, making the weaker ox on the inside track since it's shorter.

[ubergeek]

I'm not exactly surprised any of you missed this (since this isn't a physics-centered discussion. If the teddy bear (Thor, i think) is supposed to be stronger than p-monkey, as she indicates by pointing to the bear, then when she is reenacting the oxen scene, Thor should be on the outside of the circle. This would occur because he is pulling faster than p-monkey (for every step p-monkey took, thor would take two). However, when Bree does this she places p-monkey on the outside. Obviously the homeschooling ain't doing too good of a job.

[Way2Curious]

Maybe she put the weaker one on the opposite side to make a point...that she thinks that she is the stronger one and also that she is "on the inside of the circle" (meaning with her religion)?
I don't know thats just a theory!

[Mvidrine]

OK after doing a google search, I've found diffrent websites offering aesop's fables, unfortunatly none of them offered the stronger and the weaker oxen, so I think the aesop's fable idea is out. So far I think that, even though I don't think its directly based on First Cor. the basic idea is the same.

[justapix]

Ok this is how I see the Oxen story. she only gave us half of the story, the problem, I feel that there should be another part of the story something she didnt' say. I don't believe its in the bible, personally I think its a fable, so the question is, what is the solution? what's to be done whe you have one oxen stronger than the other? well the most obvious solution is to get rid of the oxen that isn't as strong, but their might be another solution, and its our job to find it.

the answer to the story would be to have the oxen pull one infront of the othere, like in a sleigh, so they are both pulling from the same point.

does that make sense?

~justapix

[spaciegirlreturn]

I'm not exactly surprised any of you missed this (since this isn't a physics-centered discussion. If the teddy bear (Thor, i think) is supposed to be stronger than p-monkey, as she indicates by pointing to the bear, then when she is reenacting the oxen scene, Thor should be on the outside of the circle. This would occur because he is pulling faster than p-monkey (for every step p-monkey took, thor would take two). However, when Bree does this she places p-monkey on the outside. Obviously the homeschooling ain't doing too good of a job.

god, I'm over talking about things like this. I miss the excitement of googling human sacrifice and satanism.

[Way2Curious]

I've been trying to look up the origin of this story and here is what I've found....

2 Corinthians 6:14 : " 14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"

from here:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ans%206:14

and this:
Deuteronomy 22:10 (New International Version) :10 "Do not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together."

from here:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=31;


The second one doesn't exactly fit, as they are talking about an ox and a donkey, not two oxen....hmmmm.....Anyhow it would appear that this is indeed a "Christian" story. It is mostly mentioned on "Christian" forums and websites and people have used it for many, many different reasons,

1. a Christian not marrying (or be-friending) a non-believer or a person with a different religion
2. I have seen is used to portray a racist message (which made me angry!)
3.Simply not getting dragged down by someone who is having a hard time.
I'm sure there are other instances it is used in as well.

I think that this story about the two oxen is (mostly) used by people to promote a predjudice of some sort or another, though not always.

[Hannahbee]

Ok this is how I see the Oxen story. she only gave us half of the story, the problem, I feel that there should be another part of the story something she didnt' say. I don't believe its in the bible, personally I think its a fable, so the question is, what is the solution? what's to be done whe you have one oxen stronger than the other? well the most obvious solution is to get rid of the oxen that isn't as strong, but their might be another solution, and its our job to find it.

the answer to the story would be to have the oxen pull one infront of the othere, like in a sleigh, so they are both pulling from the same point.

does that make sense?

~justapix

yeah that's what i thought too.

[Hannahbee]

i'm having a hard time imagining that they'd do that "stronger ox on the inside" thing on purpose. to me, it just seems like a goof on their part. everybody makes mistakes!

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like me, twice...

[ShadowPaw]

I looked around the web a bit after seeing all the theorys about the ox reference. When I pulled up some key words another forum popped up and someone was asking how to interepert "equally yoked" from the bible. The person who explained used Bree's same example. So I believe the story is a bible reference to the bible calling for partners to be "equally yoked" - not sure if this helps or not.

Here's the quote from the other forum (something called "frappydoo"?)

The Bible says that you are supposed to be equally yoked. Here is the image -- If you have two oxen yoked to a cart and one is stronger than the other, the weaker ox won't be pulling as hard. What ends up happening is that you go around in circles. The oxen don't pull the cart in a straight line. If they are pulling a plow, your field ends up a mess. The same would hold true if two people were paddling in a canoe. The weaker paddler would be paddling less hard and causing the canoe to veer off course.

[jrea54]

this is probably totally unrelated, but i found it interesting

http://www.bartleby.com/81/12606.html

in the dictionary of phrase and fable, oxen are "emblematic of st. luke" and the emblem of priesthood. ...ceremony, maybe?

but more so, "The black ox hath trampled on you (The Antiquary). Misfortune has come to your house. You are henpecked. A black ox was sacrificed to Pluto, the infernal god, as a white one was to Jupiter.

[spaciegirlreturn]

maybe they just did the whole ox thing wrong because you know they're not really oxes (oxen?), and she's not a rancher..they're not even outside. She's just some kid in her room. I don't think everything is sooo literal