Epogen - Found by Daniel in the warehouse

[girlAnachronism]

Who/what is illuminati? (I'd be at the next meeting if I understood what you were talking about!)

While I'm sure trainer would love to enlighten you, I got here first! The Illuminati are one of the groups suspected to be Bree's order. You should read the thread in this section.

[lonelyelendi]

Some cultures consider any woman whose bare skin has been touched by a man outside her family as no longer a virgin. (Oops, I lost that ages ago). Still to get back on topic...

My point was that she would need to be a virgin for many ancient rituals....hence the whole purity thing... and why she couldn't see daniel for a while....I was not off topic >.>

lol

[erolyn]

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that they are to "abstain from blood"; this belief results in the refusal to accept transfusions of blood or blood components.

The use of epogen to increase the number of red blood cells is one suggested alternative to a blood transfusion.

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from wikipedia

now, i'm not suggesting bree has anything to do with Jehovah's Witnessess, but just thought that was interesting...a religious tie in to the drug...

I saw that on Wikipedia, too...it's pretty interesting.

I also thought the stuff about blood doping was interesting...maybe the ceremony will be very physically demanding? This could also explain the iron pills, perhaps. Or it could just be bloodletting, like everyone else already said.

[HazelButtercup]

Who/what is illuminati? (I'd be at the next meeting if I understood what you were talking about!)

While I'm sure trainer would love to enlighten you, I got here first! The Illuminati are one of the groups suspected to be Bree's order. You should read the thread in this section.

Thanks- I searched for the user illuminati but not the group- I found it now. This story can get pretty elaborate. I find myself getting sucked in more and more everyday.

[kristenjane]

So......maybe she really wasn't taking it after all if it wouldnt cause the tiredness and weakness she was obviously exibiting.

Maybe her dad or mom was taking it. Her mom could have needed a kidney transplant (hey, Bree could give up a kidney....she's got two! )

could they be a kidney stealing cult?
I just sounded stupid.
But they could jack her kidney and sell it for big bucks.
okay. stupid theory

[Luv2Skydive]

So......maybe she really wasn't taking it after all if it wouldnt cause the tiredness and weakness she was obviously exibiting.

Maybe her dad or mom was taking it. Her mom could have needed a kidney transplant (hey, Bree could give up a kidney....she's got two! )

could they be a kidney stealing cult?
I just sounded stupid.
But they could jack her kidney and sell it for big bucks.
okay. stupid theory

It would be hard to come up with something too farfetched.....the Creators have done that pretty well on their own.

[aideen]

a sudden thought

Bree came to America from another country right? She could be one of those black market transplant carriers. Liek on Numb3rs andCSI and stuff, where people from other countries come and then people take their organs and sell them on the black market for people to have transplanted. But the Order decided to do it under the guise of a religious ceremony

[Pi]

I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!). Here's some info:

Epogen is usually taken for two reasons:
1. For patients with anemia (usually with cancer or with kidney failure, and other reasons for anemia.)
2. For athletes for doping purposes. Can be used before event to build up red blood cells for very aerobic activities or during event if the event is over days or weeks. Common for bicycling because the events are often done in stages over time so athletes' red blood cell counts normally goes down after each stage. Epogen will replenish red blood cell count and it really does help cyclists. It is illegal to do this, of course, and Amgen is working to stop this.


He is going to watch the video and if I get any more info, I will pass it on.

Very cool about your brother.

So, I was thinking there should be some sort of connection between all the drugs and things learned. Something comprehensive you know? Could you ask him about a possible scenario where all the drugs we learned about might come into play?

For example,

Is it possible that someone could pick up some kind of bacteria infection like Camplobcter living on a commune, and then needs to be treated with maybe an antibotic like Zosyn?...

However, the infection has been known to also trigger...something like Guillain-Barre Syndrom (GBS)/or(CIDP), "which may be an autoimmune disorder where the body produces antibodies that damage the myelin sheat substance that surronds (neuron) axons." So, something like Cerebyx might also be temporarily given so that the "Phenytoin, stabilizes neuronal membranes and decreases seizure activity."

However, "the main treatment for GBS/CIDP is immunotherapy, which includes plasma exchange <removing the liquid plasma from the blood> or high intravenous immune globulins (IVIG) <protective blood proteins given from healthy volunteers into the vein>."

In turn, with all that blood adding and/or subtracting someone might be given Epogen and iron pills to help faciliate the production of the healthy blood cells, to move the recovery along quicker. Something like that??



Warning: Random Thoughts


- There's a hard core diet that use to be used alot more and now as a last ditch effort if other drugs don't work for seizuer/neuron activity problems. The Ketone diet. High fat, low carbs, I was entertaining the thought for awhile that it might've been Bree's diet, but the cookies and milk (the sugar) she supposedly had the day before the fake ceremony would ruin it...so eh. It's interesting tho that for some kids with seizures who are on the diet for about 2 years their bodies adapt and the seizures go by-by.

- I was also thinking that with bacteria infections, neuron firing problems, blood issues, dieting..there would be some fluid/electrolyte inbalance issues. (sodium, potassium, calcium, ect). If you had a neuron firing/thinking/reflex problem would you want more salt in or more salt out?

Speaking of neurons I wonder if you could describe the Religion/Order in terms of a neuron and/or the nevous system. Funny, Dendrites [/b](from Greek dendron, “tree”) are the branched projections of a neuron that act to conduct the electrical stimulation received from other neural cells to the cell body, or soma, of the neuron from which the dendrites project. There's even pyramindal neurons for the Illuminati junkies.

- With all the referances of immunities, allergies, becoming stronger, antibodies, t-helpers, bacteria, ribosomes, proteins, genes, mRNA, mRNA purification kits, SAM (Significance Analysis of Microarrays), Exons, they should play a role in all the drugs and blood as well. Are they trying to make a super adaptable Brie cheese antibody mold or what? (grins) Bree might fullfill her Daddy's dreams and become a "big shot" yet.

Pi

[HazelButtercup]

I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!). Here's some info:

Epogen is usually taken for two reasons:
1. For patients with anemia (usually with cancer or with kidney failure, and other reasons for anemia.)
2. For athletes for doping purposes. Can be used before event to build up red blood cells for very aerobic activities or during event if the event is over days or weeks. Common for bicycling because the events are often done in stages over time so athletes' red blood cell counts normally goes down after each stage. Epogen will replenish red blood cell count and it really does help cyclists. It is illegal to do this, of course, and Amgen is working to stop this.


He is going to watch the video and if I get any more info, I will pass it on.

Very cool about your brother.

So, I was thinking there should be some sort of connection between all the drugs and things learned. Something comprehensive you know? Could you ask him about a possible scenario where all the drugs we learned about might come into play?

For example,

Is it possible that someone could pick up some kind of bacteria infection like Camplobcter living on a commune, and then needs to be treated with maybe an antibotic like Zosyn?...

However, the infection has been known to also trigger...something like Guillain-Barre Syndrom (GBS)/or(CIDP), "which may be an autoimmune disorder where the body produces antibodies that damage the myelin sheat substance that surronds (neuron) axons." So, something like Cerebyx might also be temporarily given so that the "Phenytoin, stabilizes neuronal membranes and decreases seizure activity."

However, "the main treatment for GBS/CIDP is immunotherapy, which includes plasma exchange <removing the liquid plasma from the blood> or high intravenous immune globulins (IVIG) <protective blood proteins given from healthy volunteers into the vein>."

In turn, with all that blood adding and/or subtracting someone might be given Epogen and iron pills to help faciliate the production of the healthy blood cells, to move the recovery along quicker. Something like that??

Pi

Uhhh, hmmm, would you repeat the question?

[Pi]

I just talked to the inventor of EPOGEN (my brother!). Here's some info:

Epogen is usually taken for two reasons:
1. For patients with anemia (usually with cancer or with kidney failure, and other reasons for anemia.)
2. For athletes for doping purposes. Can be used before event to build up red blood cells for very aerobic activities or during event if the event is over days or weeks. Common for bicycling because the events are often done in stages over time so athletes' red blood cell counts normally goes down after each stage. Epogen will replenish red blood cell count and it really does help cyclists. It is illegal to do this, of course, and Amgen is working to stop this.


He is going to watch the video and if I get any more info, I will pass it on.

Very cool about your brother.

So, I was thinking there should be some sort of connection between all the drugs and things learned. Something comprehensive you know? Could you ask him about a possible scenario where all the drugs we learned about might come into play?

For example,

Is it possible that someone could pick up some kind of bacteria infection like Camplobcter living on a commune, and then needs to be treated with maybe an antibotic like Zosyn?...

However, the infection has been known to also trigger...something like Guillain-Barre Syndrom (GBS)/or(CIDP), "which may be an autoimmune disorder where the body produces antibodies that damage the myelin sheat substance that surronds (neuron) axons." So, something like Cerebyx might also be temporarily given so that the "Phenytoin, stabilizes neuronal membranes and decreases seizure activity."

However, "the main treatment for GBS/CIDP is immunotherapy, which includes plasma exchange <removing the liquid plasma from the blood> or high intravenous immune globulins (IVIG) <protective blood proteins given from healthy volunteers into the vein>."

In turn, with all that blood adding and/or subtracting someone might be given Epogen and iron pills to help faciliate the production of the healthy blood cells, to move the recovery along quicker. Something like that??

Pi

Uhhh, hmmm, would you repeat the question?

Oh god, I'm sorry. Basically, we know of 3 medicines, a diet, and the possible use of iron pills so far. Would your brother know of a scenario or situation where 'all' the meds would be used at the same time or where the use of one medicine would cause the need for another like a causal chain reaction. I know it's probably not a realistic question. I just hoped some possibilities might occur to him.

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I guess I'm frustrated so I ramble. Learning of a medicine only seems to beg the question over and over again. If the Order wants to take Bree's blood and that's why they need the Epogen (to replenish her blood), then what's so special about her blood or anyone else's they take? They have scientist's in the organization, and I can't see them taking the blood for mystical reasons. There has to be a real world use and application for it.

Pi

[Slainte]

So......maybe she really wasn't taking it after all if it wouldnt cause the tiredness and weakness she was obviously exibiting.

Maybe her dad or mom was taking it. Her mom could have needed a kidney transplant (hey, Bree could give up a kidney....she's got two! )

could they be a kidney stealing cult?
I just sounded stupid.
But they could jack her kidney and sell it for big bucks.
okay. stupid theory

Now that is a theory.
But it couldn't be because no one has awoken in thier hotel bathtub covered in ice

Please see http://www.snopes.com/horrors/robbery/kidney.asp

[ApotheosisAZ]

This may be a crazy theory. Hopefully, it's a new one.

Ok, I think it has been fairly well established that Gemma is working for the order. She is aware of B&D's online activity, so the order is also aware. She has been telling them eveything Daniel has been planning.

We all know about the video surveillance in Bree's home. The order set it up. They left this box for Daniel to find. He follows the trail to the warehouse, right where the order wanted him to go.

The Epogen is a plant; the box in Bree's home was a plant. They are attempting to mislead Daniel in the wrong direction. I don't think they want any of us to find out what Bree's injections really contained.

You may now return to your non-crazy theories.

[bethy]

Thanks- I searched for the user illuminati but not the group- I found it now. This story can get pretty elaborate. I find myself getting sucked in more and more everyday.

You clearly have never listened to Art Bell or George Noory I take it.

[unrepentant]

About people being skeptical about Emogen because it can't be causing her to be tired - keep in mind that the tiredness could be completely unrelated to the drug she was being injected with. We know she was also on some sort of a diet, even with a high red blood cell count we can assume that if the diet was extremely restrictive she would show fatigue.

[curiousGeorge]

My brother invented Epogen!!!

Hmmmm:

http://www.amgen.com/investors/AnnualRe ... overy.html