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	**The rose visibly wilts during the video, particularly between [[jump cut\|jump cuts]]. It is nearly shriveled up and broken by the end of Bad Decisions.		**The rose visibly wilts during the video, particularly between [[jump cut\|jump cuts]]. It is nearly shriveled up and broken by the end of Bad Decisions.
	**The rapid wilting could mean that time is running out: perhaps the date of [[The Ceremony ~~(ritual)~~\|the ceremony]] is approaching, or [[the Order]] plans to apprehend Bree and Daniel soon, or there is little time left to rescue Bree's parents.		**The rapid wilting could mean that time is running out: perhaps the date of [[The Ceremony\|the ceremony]] is approaching, or [[the Order]] plans to apprehend Bree and Daniel soon, or there is little time left to rescue Bree's parents.
	*'''From Gemma to Bree'''		*'''From Gemma to Bree'''
	**Fans have long speculated that Gemma speaks to Bree in [[double talk\|code]].		**Fans have long speculated that Gemma speaks to Bree in [[double talk\|code]].

Shiori at 17:29, 27 March 2008

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	*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.		*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.
	*In [[Coming Up Roses]], Kate talks to us about roses.		*In [[Coming Up Roses]], Kate talks to us about roses.
	*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[Nikki Tied Up]], Nikki has a stuffed dog holding a pink rose, mocking ~~[http://en.~~wikipedia~~.org/wiki/~~The_Bachelor_%28TV_series%29 The Bachelor].		*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[Nikki Tied Up]], Nikki has a stuffed dog holding a pink rose, mocking {{wikipedia\|The_Bachelor_%28TV_series%29\|The Bachelor}}.

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Shiori: /* Other roses */

2008-02-06T21:03:25Z

Other roses

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	*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.		*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.
	*In [[Coming Up Roses]], Kate talks to us about roses.		*In [[Coming Up Roses]], Kate talks to us about roses.
			*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[Nikki Tied Up]], Nikki has a stuffed dog holding a pink rose, mocking [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bachelor_%28TV_series%29 The Bachelor].

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Shiori at 18:01, 10 January 2008

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	Some fans believe that roses represent the Order, seeing that after Bad Decisions was posted, Gemma was revealed to be an [[OpAphid]] agent. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so the one in Bad Decisions was intentionally bent.		Some fans believe that roses represent the Order, seeing that after Bad Decisions was posted, Gemma was revealed to be an [[OpAphid]] agent. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so the one in Bad Decisions was intentionally bent.

	In [[Coming ~~up roses~~]], [[Kate]] talks about roses. She quotes a person who pondered that if a rose was not called a rose, it would still smell sweet. Kate observed that a lot was in a name, and that this famous person was wrong.		In [[Coming Up Roses]], [[Kate]] talks about roses. She quotes a person who pondered that if a rose was not called a rose, it would still smell sweet. Kate observed that a lot was in a name, and that this famous person was wrong.

	==The [[Bad Decisions]] rose==		==The [[Bad Decisions]] rose==
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	*In [[Breakfast In Bed]], [[Daniel]] comes back from the grocery store with breakfast for [[Bree]] and some white flowers. Many viewers thought they were roses, but upon closer inspection it seems like he just picked some gardenias on the way back from the store.		*In [[Breakfast In Bed]], [[Daniel]] comes back from the grocery store with breakfast for [[Bree]] and some white flowers. Many viewers thought they were roses, but upon closer inspection it seems like he just picked some gardenias on the way back from the store.
	*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.		*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.
	*In [[Coming ~~up roses~~]], Kate talks to us about roses.		*In [[Coming Up Roses]], Kate talks to us about roses.

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Zoey at 19:55, 25 August 2007

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Zoey at 06:03, 12 August 2007

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SilverBULLETx3 at 19:53, 1 August 2007

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	Some fans believe that roses represent the Order, seeing that after Bad Decisions was posted, Gemma was revealed to be an [[OpAphid]] agent. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so the one in Bad Decisions was intentionally bent.		Some fans believe that roses represent the Order, seeing that after Bad Decisions was posted, Gemma was revealed to be an [[OpAphid]] agent. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so the one in Bad Decisions was intentionally bent.

	In [[Coming ~~Up Roses~~]], [[Kate]] talks about roses. ~~STILL WORKING ON IT~~		In [[Coming up roses]], [[Kate]] talks about roses. She quotes a person who pondered that if a rose was not called a rose, it would still smell sweet. Kate observed that a lot was in a name, and that this famous person was wrong.

			==The [[Bad Decisions]] rose==
	==~~Suggested explanations~~==		*In [[Bad Decisions]], Gemma also mentions that she went on three dates with a musician (speculated to be [[The party guests#Finn\|Finn]], but never proven). Some fans theorize that the rose was given to Gemma by this boy on the first date, but the relationship went awry and the rose died.
	~~''NOTE: After~~ Bad Decisions, a ~~series of [[Tachyon]] videos~~ (~~beginning with~~ [[~~Gemma? (Part I)~~\|~~Gemma? [Part I]~~]]) ~~exposed her as an [[OpAphid]] agent~~. ~~The suggested explanations shown below were offered before this revelation took place. In light of recent findings, certain interpretations may no longer appear as relevant as they once were.~~		*'''Guilt'''
			**The wilting rose symbolizes Gemma's guilt. When Gemma was not filming, she could have been touching the rose, hence the damage of it.
	*Gemma's date -- The rose was given to Gemma by this boy on the first ~~or second dates. The~~ relationship went awry and the rose died.		**Gemma could feel guilty about her lies toward [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]]. She told them to go home, and knew that they would be captured by [[the Order]] there.
	*Guilt		**Although at first glance, it seems that Gemma only made the video Bad Decisions to strike at Bree and Daniel for their "bad decisions," she might actually be trying to communicate her guilt to them because it is she who has made some "bad decisions."
	**The rose ~~dying~~ symbolizes Gemma's guilt. ~~Throughout the video~~, ~~in the edited out parts, Gemma~~ could have been touching the rose, hence the ~~rose becoming damaged and bent~~.		*'''Distrust'''
	**Gemma could feel guilty ~~for instructing~~ [[Bree]] to go home ~~if she~~ knew that ~~her advice was malicious~~.		**The wilted rose not only represents Gemma's lost trust in this boy, but also her lack of trust in [[Jonas]]. So important is her distrust of him that the rose is placed there to emphasize it. This ties in with the Bad Decisions theme of "people who are not always who they seem."
	**Although at first glance, it seems ~~like~~ Gemma only made the video Bad Decisions to strike at Bree and Daniel for their "bad decisions", she might actually be trying to communicate her guilt to them because it is she who has made some "bad decisions"~~. (See the~~ ''~~A message~~'' ~~interpretation below).~~		**The rose represents Bree's trust in Gemma. Perhaps at first, she thought Gemma could be trusted, but something happened to alert her that she should not follow Gemma's advice. This would explain why Bree no longer acknowledges Gemma's videos, yet frequently discusses "the whole Gemma thing" with Jonas and Daniel.
	*Distrust		*'''The Order'''
	**The wilted rose not only represents Gemma's lost trust in this boy, but also her lack of trust in [[Jonas]]. So important is her distrust of him that the rose is placed there to emphasize it. This ties in with the Bad Decisions theme of "people are not always who they seem".		**The rose symbolizes the Order, and its wilting represents corruption.
	**It represents Bree's trust in Gemma. Perhaps at first she thought Gemma could be trusted, but something happened to alert her that she should not follow Gemma's advice. This would explain why [[Bree]] no longer acknowledges Gemma's videos, yet frequently ~~refers to~~ Jonas and ~~wants to trust him. This would also tie in with the theme of "people are not always who they seem"~~.		**At the center of the [[unicursal hexagram]] lies a rose. This symbol has been linked to [[Thelema]]. The founder of Thelema, [[Aleister Crowley]], apparently has a huge part in the basis of the Order.
	*The rose symbolizes ~~[[The~~ Order]], and its wilting represents corruption		**Also with ties to Thelema, the symbol of the rosy cross has a rose at its center. In a cosmological context, the rose is Nuit, the goddess of the night sky from Egyptian mythology. The Order has been linked to Egypt through the ancient town of [[Denderah]].
	**At the center of the [[unicursal hexagram]] lies a rose. This symbol has been linked to [[~~Bree's religion~~]] ~~and~~ The Order.		*'''Bree'''
	**~~The~~ symbol of the rosy cross~~, which~~ has a rose at its center~~, plays a substantial role within the system of [[Thelema]] as developed by [[Aleister Crowley]]~~. In a cosmological context, the rose is Nuit, the goddess of the night sky from Egyptian mythology.		**The rose represents Bree (who is portrayed by [[Jessica Lee Rose\|Jessica Lee '''Rose''']]).
	**The ~~rose's wilting could then represent that Gemma~~ has been ~~corrupted by The Order~~.		**Its wilting represents Bree's downfall, her lost innocence, and/or lost faith in the people close to her. It had not fully bloomed and already it is wilted because it was cut off from the bush - [[Bree's parents\|Bree's adoptive parents]], the Averys.
	*Bree		*'''Love'''
	**The rose represents Bree (~~played~~ by Jessica ''Rose'')~~. It is a single (lonely) rose~~.		**The rose represents love (between Daniel and Bree), which is pitted against will (the Order, the [[Hymn of One]], and Bree's parents).
	**Its wilting represents Bree's downfall, her lost innocence, and/or lost faith in the people close to her. It had not fully bloomed and already it is wilted because it was cut off from the bush (Bree's ~~family)~~.		***The rose dies, will wins, and Bree is returned to her [[commune]] to do her duty.
	*Love		*'''Time'''
	**The rose represents ~~Love~~ ([[Daniel]] and Bree), which is pitted against ~~Will~~( ~~The~~ Order, [[Hymn of One~~\|her religion~~]], [[Bree's parents~~\|her parents]]~~).		**The rose visibly wilts during the video, particularly between [[jump cut\|jump cuts]]. It is nearly shriveled up and broken by the end of Bad Decisions.
	**The rose dies, ~~so Will~~ wins and Bree ~~will be~~ returned to her ~~community~~ to do her duty.
	*Time
	**The rose visibly wilts during the video, particularly between [[jump cut\|jump cuts]]. It is nearly shriveled up and broken by the end of ~~the approximately 3-minute video~~.
	**The rapid wilting could mean that time is running out: perhaps the date of [[The Ceremony (ritual)\|the ceremony]] is approaching, or [[the Order]] plans to apprehend Bree and Daniel soon, or there is little time left to rescue Bree's parents.		**The rapid wilting could mean that time is running out: perhaps the date of [[The Ceremony (ritual)\|the ceremony]] is approaching, or [[the Order]] plans to apprehend Bree and Daniel soon, or there is little time left to rescue Bree's parents.
	*~~A message~~		*'''From Gemma to Bree'''
	**Fans have long ~~been speculating~~ that Gemma speaks to Bree in [[~~Double~~ talk\|code]].		**Fans have long speculated that Gemma speaks to Bree in [[double talk\|code]].
	**Gemma may have placed it there, wilted and bent, to send an important message to Bree.		**Gemma may have placed it there, wilted and bent, to send an important message to Bree. Perhaps Gemma is saying that she is under the Order's surveillance, or that the Order is making her tell Bree to go home. Perhaps she is warning Bree not to trust her because she's being manipulated by the Order. This might make sense since Gemma said she had seen a [[Watcher]] in her video [[Scared To Go Home]]. She has later retracted the claim, saying that she had just been feeling paranoid. The Order could have also made her deny that she had been followed.
	**Perhaps Gemma is saying that she is under ~~The~~ Order's surveillance, or that ~~The~~ Order is making her tell Bree to go home~~, or~~ warning Bree not to trust her ~~either~~ because she's being manipulated by ~~The~~ Order. This might make sense since Gemma said she had seen a [[Watcher]] in her video [[Scared To Go Home]]~~, but since~~ later retracted ~~that~~ claim, saying that she had just been feeling paranoid. The Order could have also made her deny that she had been followed.		**The rose could simply be symbolic of her state of mind - depression.
	**The rose could simply symbolic of her state of mind.

	==Other roses ~~in lonelygirl15~~==		==Other roses==
	*[[Bree's bedroom]] has a framed picture of a rose on the wall. Since [[Aleister Crowley]] is credited with adding a rose to the center of the [[unicursal hexagram]], it's possible that picture is another reference to Crowley. However, the [[Joshua Davis\|Wired]] article titled "The Secret World of Lonelygirl" alleges that Beckett "got it at a 99-cent store because it was cheap and looked like something a teenage girl would buy." There is a faint pink-quotation printed beneath the flower that reads "It is by believing in roses that one brings them to bloom."		*[[Bree's bedroom]] has a framed picture of a rose on the wall. Since [[Aleister Crowley]] is credited with adding a rose to the center of the [[unicursal hexagram]], it's possible that picture is another reference to Crowley. However, the [[Joshua Davis\|Wired]] article titled "The Secret World of Lonelygirl" alleges that Beckett "got it at a 99-cent store because it was cheap and looked like something a teenage girl would buy." There is a faint pink-quotation printed beneath the flower that reads "It is by believing in roses that one brings them to bloom."
	*In [[Breakfast In Bed]], [[Daniel]] comes back from the grocery store with breakfast for [[Bree]] and some white flowers. Many viewers thought they were roses, but upon closer inspection it seems like he just picked some gardenias on the way back from the store.		*In [[Breakfast In Bed]], [[Daniel]] comes back from the grocery store with breakfast for [[Bree]] and some white flowers. Many viewers thought they were roses, but upon closer inspection it seems like he just picked some gardenias on the way back from the store.
	*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose.		*In [[Nikki Bower]]'s video, [[My Eternal Song]], Nikki smells a bright pink rose, further escalating the possibility that roses represent the Order.
	*~~Also, in an unofficial [[itscassie]] video,~~ [[~~Shes dead now.~~]], ~~[[Aima]] supposedly pulls pedals from a rose~~.		*In [[Coming up roses]], Kate talks to us about roses.

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SilverBULLETx3 at 19:27, 1 August 2007

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	~~A rose is featured many times in~~ the [[lonelygirl15]] series. In [[Gemma ~~\| Gemma~~'s]] video [[Bad Decisions]] a wilting rose ~~is prominently~~ displayed on her right hand side. ~~This rose is a subject of debate in~~ the ~~boards and fans have proposed many possible explanations~~, ~~ranging from superficial to literary~~, ~~from plausible~~ to ~~highly speculative~~. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so ~~this~~ one was intentionally bent ~~- though it could have been accidentally bent by some carelessness~~. ~~One theory is that it was placed like that to draw viewers' attention to the rose and its sad state. (Comment is available~~ [~~http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=128&play=1#comment-22448 here~~].)		Throughout the [[lonelygirl15]] and [[KateModern]] series, '''roses''' have been prominently featured. The first appearance was in [[Gemma]]'s last video, [[Bad Decisions]], where a wilting rose was displayed on her right hand side.

			Some fans believe that roses represent the Order, seeing that after Bad Decisions was posted, Gemma was revealed to be an [[OpAphid]] agent. One user pointed out that when roses wilt, they do not bend over like other flowers do, so the one in Bad Decisions was intentionally bent.

			In [[Coming Up Roses]], [[Kate]] talks about roses. STILL WORKING ON IT


	==Suggested explanations==		==Suggested explanations==

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