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	'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>		'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>

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	==Free Will in Lonelygirl15==		==Free Will in Lonelygirl15==
	[[Bree's parents]] first met when her [[~~Bree's parents#Mother~~\|mother]] stepped into a discussion that her [[~~Bree's parents#Father~~\|Bree's father]] was having with a friend about the play [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].<ref name=parents>Bree's video [[How My Parents Met]]</ref> [[~~Bree's parents#Mother~~\|Bree's mother]] believed so passionately in free will, that she felt compelled to walk over to the man who was saying that determinism was the theme of the play ([[~~Bree's parents#Father~~\|Bree's father]]) and tell him that he was completely wrong.		[[Bree's parents]] first met when her [[Elizabeth Avery\|mother]] stepped into a discussion that her [[Drew Avery\|Bree's father]] was having with a friend about the play [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].<ref name=parents>Bree's video [[How My Parents Met]]</ref> [[Elizabeth Avery\|Bree's mother]] believed so passionately in free will, that she felt compelled to walk over to the man who was saying that determinism was the theme of the play ([[Drew Avery\|Bree's father]]) and tell him that he was completely wrong.

	On other occasions, it has been strongly implied that [[Bree]] had to do the [[Ceremony]] out of her own, free will, no matter what happens: Even after Bree was [[Psychological Torture\|kidnapped and drugged]], the Order didn't just force her to do the Ceremony, but tried to "persuade" her to do it out of her own free will. Another indicator is [[Lying Bastards\|an overheard phone call]] [[Alex]] had, in which she says about the same incident: "[...] I do care because it's a violation of free will and you know... I know my principles, do you want me to recite them for you? [...]".		On other occasions, it has been strongly implied that [[Bree]] had to do the [[Ceremony]] out of her own, free will, no matter what happens: Even after Bree was [[Psychological Torture\|kidnapped and drugged]], the Order didn't just force her to do the Ceremony, but tried to "persuade" her to do it out of her own free will. Another indicator is [[Lying Bastards\|an overheard phone call]] [[Alex]] had, in which she says about the same incident: "[...] I do care because it's a violation of free will and you know... I know my principles, do you want me to recite them for you? [...]".

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	'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>		'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>

	~~We get our~~ first indication that ~~free will~~ might be an issue in the ~~early videos when we see~~ a picture of [[Aleister Crowley]] on [[Bree's ~~bedroom~~]] ~~wall. Crowley was a champion~~ of free will. His most popular writing on the issue was Liber Oz.<ref>[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib77.html Hermetic.com article on Liber Oz]</ref> In it, Crowley outlined what he believed to be the Rights of ~~Man~~.		==Aleister Crowley==
			[[Image:Crowleyshrine.jpg\|right\|140px\|Picture of Aleister Crowley in Bree's room\|thumb]]
			The first indication that Free Will might become an issue in the series was a picture of [[Aleister Crowley]], a champion of free will, hanging on a wall in [[Bree's room]], as part of some sort of shrine.

	~~A common misunderstanding~~, ~~however, is that Crowley believed anyone should be absolutely free to do whatever~~ he ~~wants with no opposition. This~~, ~~however~~, ~~is not~~ the ~~case. Crowley perfectly understood~~ the ~~fact that actions have consequences~~. ~~He was the first to state~~ that ~~there~~ should be ~~laws and punishment for crimes, such as~~ the ~~following statement:~~		Crowley's beliefs – the ''"Rights of Man"'' – were outlined most popularly in his text "Liber Oz"<ref>[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib77.html Hermetic.com article on Liber Oz]</ref>; in it, he makes clear he does not believe in ''absolute'' freedom, but rather, that the freedom of one ends in the freedom of another: One must not use his own freedom to restrict someone else's. Most importantly, he also advocated that for such cases, laws and penalties should be in place. He called this the ''Law of Thelema''.{{clr}}

	:~~"My retort, however,~~ is ~~convincing and final~~. ~~Robbery~~ in ~~any shape is a breach~~ of the Law ~~of Thelema~~. It is ~~interference with~~ the ~~right of another~~ to ~~dispose of~~ his ~~property as~~ he ~~will~~; and ~~if I did so myself~~, ~~no matter with what tactical justification~~, ~~I could hardly ask others~~ to ~~respect my own similar right~~.		==The Law of Thelema==
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			The free will espoused by [[Thelema]] (θέλημα) is a free will to act according to your True Will. As it states in the Book of the Law, ''"Thou hast no right but to do thy will."''. An interesting argument following this is that this principle actually ''forbids'' many things you might want to do - committing a crime, for example, or simple health-damaging acts like smoking. Because, as the reasoning goes, these acts, be it by leading to persecution or damage to one's health, restrict the individual's ability to act in fullness, and, as such, violate his own free will by disallowing him to do whatever he wants. (In other words: One is not allowed to restrict any person's freedom; since heavy smoking would restrict a person's ability to breathe freely, for example, a smoker is essentially restricting his own freedom, and, as such, violating the Law of Thelema by giving in to his desire to smoke.)

	~~:(The basis of our criminal law~~ is ~~simple, by virtue of Thelema: to violate~~ the ~~right of another is to forfeit one~~'s ~~claim to protection in the matter involved~~.)"		This interpretation is interesting as it might be the reasoning behind [[Bree's diet]] - making sure she's truly following and embracing her True Will, not violating it by health-damaging foods.

	The ~~free will espoused by~~ Thelema is ~~a free will~~ to ~~act according to your~~ True Will. ~~As it states in~~ the Book ~~of the Law,~~ "~~Thou hast no right but to do thy will.~~" ~~It could therefore be argued that any action that results in a person~~'~~s freedoms being compromised, such as criminal acts, or result in a person~~'~~s health being compromised~~, ~~such as use of tobacco~~, ~~are not exercises of free will~~, ~~but rather~~ the ~~restriction~~ of ~~the individual~~'~~s free will, since they restrict his ability to act in fullness~~.		===Thelematic world view===
			The Free Will as envisioned in Thelema is not anarchy, as it is not without law – each individual is bound to his own True Will and to developing it by experience. It is acknowledged by the Book that this will lead to conflict (''"As brothers fight ye!"''), however, according to the teachings, wherever the wills of two clash, ''one'' must be wrong.

	~~The free will of Thelema is not anarchy. It is each individual being bound to his True Will, expanding the same by virtue of experience. It requires self-discipline by the individual.~~ In ~~cases where the apparent wills of two people clash~~, ~~conflict may manifest. As~~ the Book ~~of the Law states "As brothers fight ye!" and~~ "If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him". ~~However~~, in the ~~case where~~ the ~~wills of two clash, one must~~ be ~~wrong~~. "~~Every man~~ and ~~every woman~~ is ~~a star~~".		In this context, another quote from the Book is interesting – ''"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him."''. A "King", according to Thelema, is someone who is not only willing to act, but thinking out his actions and accepting responsibility for them as well. One who is mastered by consequences is not a King, but a slave. The Book states ''"Therefore the kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the slaves shall serve."'', and makes clear: ''"this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world."''.

	~~The statement "Every man and every woman is~~ a ~~star" may imply many things to us~~. ~~However~~, ~~one meaning might be~~ that ~~every person has their own orbit. Every person has their own sphere of influence and is their own sun. If~~ the ~~orbits of two stars clash, then one star has deviated from its true orbit and is infringing on~~ the ~~space~~ of the ~~other~~.		==Free Will in Lonelygirl15==
			[[Bree's parents]] first met when her [[Bree's parents#Mother\|mother]] stepped into a discussion that her [[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]] was having with a friend about the play [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].<ref name=parents>Bree's video [[How My Parents Met]]</ref> [[Bree's parents#Mother\|Bree's mother]] believed so passionately in free will, that she felt compelled to walk over to the man who was saying that determinism was the theme of the play ([[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]]) and tell him that he was completely wrong.

	~~There is also~~ the ~~fact that a person only has~~ free will ~~if that person is a King. A King is not only willing~~ to ~~act~~, but to ~~think~~ out ~~his actions and accept the responsibility for them~~. ~~One who~~ is ~~mastered by consequences is not a King~~, ~~but a slave. "Therefore~~ the ~~kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever~~: ~~the slaves shall serve~~.~~" So,~~ it ~~is no wonder that the Book~~ of ~~the Law states "this is the law of the strong: this is our law~~ and ~~the joy of the world~~."		On other occasions, it has been strongly implied that [[Bree]] had to do the [[Ceremony]] out of her own, free will, no matter what happens: Even after Bree was [[Psychological Torture\|kidnapped and drugged]], the Order didn't just force her to do the Ceremony, but tried to "persuade" her to do it out of her own free will. Another indicator is [[Lying Bastards\|an overheard phone call]] [[Alex]] had, in which she says about the same incident: "[...] I do care because it's a violation of free will and you know... I know my principles, do you want me to recite them for you? [...]".

	~~[[Bree~~'s ~~parents]] first met when her~~ [[~~Bree's parents#Mother\|mother~~]] ~~stepped into a discussion that her [[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]] was having with a friend about~~ the ~~play [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].<ref name=parents>Bree's video [[How My Parents Met]]</ref> [[Bree~~'s ~~parents#Mother\|Bree's mother]] believed so passionately in free will~~, ~~that she felt compelled to walk over to the man who was~~ saying ~~that determinism was~~ the ~~theme of the play (~~[[~~Bree's parents#Father~~\|~~Bree's father~~]]~~) and tell him that he was completely wrong.<ref name = parents/> It is likely that free will will continue~~ to ~~develop as a theme in~~ the ~~[[lonelygirl15\| lonelygirl15 series]]~~.		In an earlier incident, OpAphid had closed in on Jonas's home, and kidnapped [[Daniel]] straight from the town's bowling alley - yet, instead of saying "Do the Ceremony or he dies!", they [[Miss Me?\|drugged and brainwashed Daniel]] to persuade Bree to do the Ceremony.

	==References==		==References==

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	'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>		'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>

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	'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.~~lonelygirl15~~.com/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>		'''Free will''' is a topic that has been addressed in several ways throughout the Lonelygirl15 series. The question of free will has been a central issue since the beginning of philosophical thought.<ref name=Free>[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/lgpedia/index.php/Free_Will Wikipedia article on Free Will]</ref>

	We get our first indication that free will might be an issue in the early videos when we see a picture of [[Aleister Crowley]] on [[Bree's bedroom]] wall. Crowley was a champion of free will. His most popular writing on the issue was Liber Oz.<ref>[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib77.html Hermetic.com article on Liber Oz]</ref> In it, Crowley outlined what he believed to be the Rights of Man.		We get our first indication that free will might be an issue in the early videos when we see a picture of [[Aleister Crowley]] on [[Bree's bedroom]] wall. Crowley was a champion of free will. His most popular writing on the issue was Liber Oz.<ref>[http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib77.html Hermetic.com article on Liber Oz]</ref> In it, Crowley outlined what he believed to be the Rights of Man.

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	There is also the fact that a person only has free will if that person is a King. A King is not only willing to act, but to think out his actions and accept the responsibility for them. One who is mastered by consequences is not a King, but a slave. "Therefore the kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the slaves shall serve." So, it is no wonder that the Book of the Law states "this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world."		There is also the fact that a person only has free will if that person is a King. A King is not only willing to act, but to think out his actions and accept the responsibility for them. One who is mastered by consequences is not a King, but a slave. "Therefore the kings of the earth shall be Kings for ever: the slaves shall serve." So, it is no wonder that the Book of the Law states "this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world."

	[[Bree's parents]] first met when her [[Bree's parents\|mother]] stepped into a discussion that her [[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]] was having with a friend about the play [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].<ref name=parents>Bree's video [[How My Parents Met]]</ref> [[Bree's parents#Mother\|Bree's mother]] believed so passionately in free will, that she felt compelled to walk over to the man who was saying that determinism was the theme of the play ([[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]]) and tell him that he was completely wrong.<ref name = parents/> It is likely that free will will continue to develop as a theme in the [[lonelygirl15\| lonelygirl15 series]].		[[Bree's parents]] first met when her [[Bree's parents#Mother\|mother]] stepped into a discussion that her [[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]] was having with a friend about the play [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].<ref name=parents>Bree's video [[How My Parents Met]]</ref> [[Bree's parents#Mother\|Bree's mother]] believed so passionately in free will, that she felt compelled to walk over to the man who was saying that determinism was the theme of the play ([[Bree's parents#Father\|Bree's father]]) and tell him that he was completely wrong.<ref name = parents/> It is likely that free will will continue to develop as a theme in the [[lonelygirl15\| lonelygirl15 series]].

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