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<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>:''For other series, see [[Theories About Characters]].''<br /> This page is used to post your theories about [[LG15: The Last characters]]. You can put anything from what the character's motives are, what they will do in the next video, or even what something from their first video meant.<br /> <br /> ==Notable Characters==<br /> ===Chasina===<br /> ===Leigh===<br /> *Leigh is a plant.<br /> *Leigh is not really Trait Positive.<br /> ===Jayde===<br /> *Jayde has allowed her mother to follow her location.<br /> ===Antonia===<br /> *Antonia has not left the Hymn of One.<br /> ===Mitch===<br /> *Mitch's videos contain double-talk.<br /> ===Bray===<br /> *Bray is a plant from the Order sent to seduce the girls.<br /> <br /> ==See Also==<br /> [[Unanswered Questions]]<br /> [[Category:Theories and speculation]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Siege_and_Conquer&diff=156685 2009-04-01T20:18:51Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | blogger = Antonia<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | series = LAST<br /> | image = LAST014-LeighandMitch.jpg<br /> | caption = [[Leigh|Dopey]] joins [[Antonia|Doc]], [[Chasina|Grumpy]], and [[Jayde|Bashful]] in a battle to defeat the wicked [[Elder|Queen]] who is jealous of [[Trait Positive|Snow White]]'s youth.<br /> | number = 14<br /> | date = 20090331<br /> | url = {{youtube|MC4ZzvL94Wk}}<br /> | forumid = <br /> | length = 2:07<br /> | description = At least it was a peaceful resolution...<br /> | location = [[Leigh's house]]<br /> | song = &quot;Ambient Darkness Slaying&quot; by Sean Beson<br /> | tags = {{tags|LG15|The Last|lonelygirl15|Australia|Order|Hymn of One|Siege and Conquer|Leigh|Bray|Toni|Chas|Mitch|Jayde|bree|kate}}<br /> | execprod = <br /> | producers = Samantha Carr, Emily Rose Robinson, Andrew Strouthos, and Catherine Williams<br /> <br /> | directors = Andrew Strouthos<br /> | vidplay = <br /> | story = Samantha Carr, Emily Rose Robinson, Andrew Strouthos, and Catherine Williams<br /> <br /> | editor = Andrew Strouthos<br /> | dp = Andrew Strouthos<br /> | ad =<br /> | vfx =<br /> | cast =<br /> {{VidChar|Bray|James Olds}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jayde|Emily Rose Robinson}}<br /> {{VidChar|Chasina|Catherine Williams}}<br /> {{VidChar|Mitch|Tom Mesker}}<br /> {{VidChar|Antonia|Samantha Carr}}<br /> {{VidChar|Leigh|Jessica Shipley}}<br /> | Previous = One Happy Family<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = The Gold Coast<br /> | NextB = <br /> | PreviousC = <br /> | NextC =<br /> }}<br /> ==Transcript==<br /> {{transcript incomplete}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *This is the first video of the series to contain the entire main cast.</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=147044 2008-12-13T14:46:32Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Movement<br /> |name=Teen Angst Adventure Gang<br /> |image=Group standing.jpg<br /> |first=[[Grand Canyon]]<br /> |last=[[In My Sights]]<br /> |members=[[Bree{{!}}Bree Avery]]&lt;br&gt;[[Daniel]]&lt;br&gt;[[Jonas{{!}}Jonas Wharton]]&lt;br&gt;[[Sarah{{!}}Sarah Genatiempo]]&lt;br&gt;[[Taylor{{!}}Taylor Genatiempo]]&lt;br&gt;[[Spencer{{!}}Spencer Gilman]]&lt;br&gt;[[Emma{{!}}Emma Wharton]]&lt;br&gt;[[Jennie]]&lt;br&gt;[[Gina{{!}}Gina Hart]]<br /> |color=MediumSeaGreen<br /> |front=The Resistance<br /> |blogs=<br /> |youtube=<br /> |website=<br /> |myspace=<br /> |series=<br /> }}<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main group of Anti-[[Order]] characters in the [[lonelygirl15]] series. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted of only [[Bree|Bree Avery]], [[Daniel]], and [[Jonas|Jonas Wharton]], however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> TAAG is currently defunct, having split up in August 2008.<br /> <br /> ==Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jonas]]<br /> *[[Sarah]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Spencer]]<br /> *[[Emma]] (In Hiding)<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]]<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Alex]] <br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> {{The Resistance}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=147043 2008-12-13T14:45:48Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Movement<br /> |name=Teen Angst Adventure Gang<br /> |image=Group standing.jpg<br /> |first=[[Grand Canyon]]<br /> |last=[[In My Sights]]<br /> |members=[[Bree{{!}}Bree Avery]]&lt;br&gt;[[Daniel]]&lt;br&gt;[[Jonas{{!}}Jonas Wharton]]&lt;br&gt;[[Sarah Genatiempo]]&lt;br&gt;[[Taylor Genatiempo]]&lt;br&gt;[[Spencer{{!}}Spencer Gilman]]&lt;br&gt;[[Emma{{!}}Emma Wharton]]&lt;br&gt;[[Jennie]]&lt;br&gt;[[Gina{{!}}Gina Hart]]<br /> |color=MediumSeaGreen<br /> |front=The Resistance<br /> |blogs=<br /> |youtube=<br /> |website=<br /> |myspace=<br /> |series=<br /> }}<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main group of Anti-[[Order]] characters in the [[lonelygirl15]] series. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted of only [[Bree|Bree Avery]], [[Daniel]], and [[Jonas|Jonas Wharton]], however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> TAAG is currently defunct, having split up in August 2008.<br /> <br /> ==Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jonas]]<br /> *[[Sarah]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Spencer]]<br /> *[[Emma]] (In Hiding)<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]]<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Alex]] <br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> {{The Resistance}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Daniel&diff=145973 2008-11-23T03:11:09Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{update}}<br /> {{one other use|the character|the video|The Danielbeast}}<br /> {{Person<br /> | name = Daniel<br /> | image = Daniel Season3.jpg<br /> | age = 20<br /> | birthday = December 1987? (Sagittarius)<br /> | youtube = Danielbeast<br /> | myspace = daniel_thebeast <br /> | forum-posts = danielbeast<br /> | actor = [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]]<br /> | first = [[The Danielbeast]]<br /> | last = [[Chapter 9: New England Ho!]]<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> '''Daniel''' (also known as '''Danielbeast''' or just '''Beast''') was [[Bree]]'s best friend, (on and off) love interest, and the first co-star of the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]]. His first videos were made in [[Daniel's bedroom|his bedroom]]. Daniel was also the longest running character on [[lonelygirl15]].<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> Daniel graduated from high school in June 2006 and had a graduation party which Bree was [[My Parents Suck...|not allowed to attend.]] When summer began, he taught Bree how to make video blogs and was the one who set up her YouTube account and registered the lonelygirl15.com domain as a joke. As the summer progressed, Daniel urged Bree to [[I'm Going to the Party!|rebel]] against her strict parents and was [[Who Is This?|concerned]] about her religion and the [[The Ceremony|Ceremony]] she was supposed to partake in later that year.<br /> <br /> Like many fans, Daniel began to investigate Bree's religion and decided to [[Where Are They Going?|follow]] her around to record her actions, even after Bree had asked him [[My Helper|not to do so.]] On both these occasions [[Lucy]] took Bree somewhere; once to a nearby park for what appeared to be a practice session for the upcoming Ceremony and once to a medical complex. As Daniel investigated [[Order Of Denderah|further]], he became increasingly worried. Unheeding of Bree's requests for him to stop, Daniel [[The Ceremony (video)|followed]] her once again to [[Topanga Canyon|the site of where the Ceremony]] was to be held. Although he couldn't see much, he did manage to see many hooded figures, one being Bree, before he realized he was being followed and had to flee. <br /> <br /> Not convinced that Bree was being truthful about having [[I Completed The Ceremony|completed the Ceremony]], Daniel broke into [[Lucy's apartment]] to look for clues, where he found pictures of himself on her computer. He became worried and posted a video on the subject. His worries finally made sense to Bree, causing her to begin to question her [[Hymn of One|religion]]. After an unsuccessful [[What Makes Us Sad?|attempt]] to excuse her from the Ceremony, Bree's parents were taken away by the local Deacons, and Bree went [[On The Run|on the run]] with Daniel. As a result, Daniel [[Silent Treatment|dropped out]] of junior college, where he was taking film classes, and he [[Jonas?|left his job]] at [[Gas 'n Eats]] to accompany Bree.<br /> <br /> ===On the Run===<br /> After going on the run, Daniel and Bree stayed at a [[Motel Pool|motel]] where they were soon warned by [[Gemma]] that they were being [[Someone's Following You|followed.]] Having received Gemma's warning, Bree and Daniel did a half-hearted [[Man In The Suit|search]] of their motel room, but found no one. Gemma once again posted a [[A Watcher|video]] telling the two that they were being watched, and this time Bree [[Fleeing The Watcher|heeded]] her warnings and fled. Although Bree said she overreacted, the duo found a different [[Survival Skills|motel room]]. Soon, Daniel [[Silent Treatment|became angry]] at Bree for not taking their plight seriously enough, but the two quickly made up and Bree gave Daniel an impromptu [[Thanksgiving|Thanksgiving feast.]] After coming back from their feast, however, they saw that their motel had been [[Ransacked!|ransacked.]] Once again on the run, they abandon their car and found themselves [[Homeless|on the streets.]]<br /> <br /> [[Image:Daniel Jonas2.jpg|left|thumb|150px|&quot;Bro Time&quot;]]<br /> While they were in desperate need, [[Jonas]] began posting videos [[Trust Issues|offering help.]] Although, Daniel was extremely [[Jonas?|skeptical]], he asked the viewers [[The Test|to vote]] on whether or not to trust him. The viewers voted to [[Your Decision|trust]] Jonas, and Bree chose to stay with him. However, Daniel chose to [[Back Home|go home.]] Daniel ultimately changed his mind and [[Christmas Surprise|joined]] Bree and Jonas at Christmas. The next day, though, [[Bree's Gone|Bree went missing.]] After [[Roadtrip|finding out]] that Bree had gone to find her father, Jonas and Daniel hit the road to try to find her. They were able to locate Bree, however, her father was [[The Unthinkable Happened|gunned down]] by the Order and the trio was forced to flee the scene.<br /> <br /> Upon retuning to Jonas's house, Daniel tried to [[Purple Monkey Returns|cheer Bree up]], but he was unsuccessful. Then Daniel posted a [[Bree And I Hooked Up|video]] claiming that he and Bree had &quot;hooked-up&quot;, which Bree vehemently [[Daniel's A Liar|denied.]] After having his advances once again rejected by Bree, Daniel set out to [[Pins and Pints]] to forget his troubles, and came home extremely [[inebriated|drunk]] with a [[Katherine McPhee|random girl]] (guest star and American Idol runner-up, Katherine McPhee). The next day, a remorseful Daniel [[Hungover|awoke]] with Jonas's graffiti on his face. Wanting to find the girl who had [[Truth Or Dare|come home]] with him, Daniel once again set out to Pins and Pints, but this time he did not return. Worried for Daniel's safety, Bree and Jonas set out to find a man the bartender said Daniel had been drinking with, but with [[The Cowboy|little success.]] In [[Miss Me?]] a drugged Daniel tried to convince Bree to do the Ceremony, which confirmed he had been kidnapped by [[the Order]]. Bree and Jonas successfully rescued Daniel and ultimately [[The Human Ransom|foiled the Order's plans]] with the help of [[Tachyon]] and [[Brother]].<br /> <br /> After being rescued, Daniel, Bree, and Jonas were forced to flee Jonas's home after having a [[Watch This!|confrontation]] with a [[Watcher]], and decided to hide in a cabin in the mountains. Once at the cabin, Jonas and Bree went [[Snow Angels|exploring]] their surroundings. When he awoke, Daniel was briefly [[Jonas Sucks|jealous and angry]] that he had not been included in their exploration, however, as more pressing matters arose, the boys [[Cracked The File|put aside their differences]] and, with the help of the LG forum members, were able to crack the file given to them by [[Tachyon]]. Shortly after they were able to crack the file, Bree found what she thought was a Watcher symbol in Jonas's cabin and became [[How Dumb Am I?|convinced]] that Jonas was a part of the Order. Daniel, however, was [[Bree Is Crazy|not at all convinced]] of Jonas's betrayal. He tried to talk to Jonas [[Interrogation 101|one-on-one]] but was met with much anger. After Jonas [[What The Hell?!??!|escaped]] and [[Proving Bree Wrong|proved Bree wrong]], the three went [[On The Road Again|on the road again.]]<br /> <br /> ===New Connections===<br /> Jonas brought Daniel and Bree to his Aunt Alex's house, who was away on business at the time. While Bree [[Training Hard|went with Tachyon]], Jonas's aunt came back in town, and Daniel and Jonas were invited by Alex to a [[Uncle Dan|fashion party]]. Daniel and Alex appeared to be very interested in each other, much to Jonas's dismay. Bree [[Lucy!?!?!|posted a video]] saying there was a photo at the party which she thought was Alex and Lucy and warned the guys to leave Alex's home and meet up with her. Alex [[Alex Is...|confirmed]] that she was was aware of the Order and the boys left to join up with Bree. <br /> <br /> [[Image:0162-DanielBeingTortured.jpg|thumb|right|Daniel being psychologically tortured.]]<br /> After a short [[Truckstop Reunion|reunion]], the three headed to [[Las Vegas]] where Daniel and Jonas briefly tried to [[Co-Ed Foosball|teach]] Bree the art of foosball. While in Vegas, Bree went to [[Vegas, Baby!|see the sights]], while Jonas and Daniel got [[inebriated|drunk.]] After three days in Vegas, BDJ was [[Subjects Apprehended|abducted]] by the Order, who [[Psychological Torture|psychologically tortured]] them and temporarily persuaded Bree to do the Ceremony. The three were able to [[Communication Terminated|escape]] their captors, and began trying to piece together [[Missing Days|what had happened to them during that time]]. For a while, they lived out of Jonas's car, but eventually they decided to track Alex down, and [[Lying Bastards|followed]] her to [[Mexico]]. While they were there, they overheard her arguing with a member of the Order over the situation with involving the kidnapping. The next day, Bree was [[Spring Break Sucks|left alone]] to think about their plight while Daniel and Jonas once again got drunk. <br /> <br /> The following day, Daniel and Bree went to Alex and [[Confrontation|confronted]] her about her activities in the Order. Alex denied that she knew anything about the kidnapping that took place in Vegas. Daniel seemed to believe her, and later [[Apology Accepted?|helped]] Alex film and edit a video explaining her true feelings. Daniel and Alex began getting [[Spanglish|closer]] after this, running hand in hand and playing on the beach. However things quickly soured, for within a few days Alex had alerted the Order to BDJ's location. However, when the Order arrived, Alex said that they were there for her, not Bree. Apparantly, according to Alex, the Order had found a new girl to complete the Ceremony and no longer needed Bree.<br /> <br /> After finding out about Alex's [[Lying Bastards|true allegiance]], BDJ headed to a [[The bunker|bunker]] where Bree began investigating who the [[New Girl|new girl]] might be. While they were in the bunker, Daniel began [[Running For Life|drinking heavily]] again, leading Jonas and Bree to hold an [[Intervention|intervention]] on his behalf. After their attempted intervention, Bree found [[Sloppy Drunk|more information]] on a possible lead to the new girl, who she began to believe was a girl named [[Jules]]. While Bree continued to investiage Jules, Daniel announced that he had [[Quitting The Sauce|once again]] become sober. Jonas tried to hypnotize himself and Daniel to find out what happened to them in [[Psychological Torture|captivity]], but had [[What Happened to Us???|no success.]] Within days, Bree noticed posts from a girl named [[Taylor]] living in [[Zavalla]], Texas who told her that she recognized Julia. After nearly a fortnight spent in the bunker, the three decided to [[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!|leave]] and find Julia to warn her that she was in danger. Upon leaving the bunker, Daniel, Bree, and Jonas headed to Texas to find the new [[New Girl|Ceremony girl]]. BDJ teamed up with [[Sarah]] and [[Taylor]] and were able to locate [[Jules]]. Later, Bree gave herself up to save Jules, and Daniel and Jonas spent the next month following the Order and trying to save her. Finally locating where Bree had been hidden, Daniel, along with Jonas and Sarah, went to her, where they forcibly took back a [[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe|brainwashed]] Bree.<br /> <br /> ===A Summer Without Bree===<br /> A short while later, Jonas was convinced the old Bree had come back. Daniel, however, was still wary and felt that Jonas was [[Taking Advantage of Her|taking advantage of her brainwashed situation]]. Bree fled from TAAG the morning after [[HOLY SH%T!!!|sleeping with Jonas]], and Daniel, for a short time, appeared to become [[Mr. Park Ranger|more interested in Sarah]] than recovering Bree. Daniel's interest in Bree picked up again when she began posting HoO [[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS|videos]], where there was found to be secret messages encrypted by Bree and someone behind the scenes whose initals seemed to be [[TCC]]. Daniel and Sarah went to find information based on these secret codes and were led to a yacht club where they found reports and papers from [[Isaac Gilman]], however, Sarah [[All Wet|accidentally dropped]] an important document in the water. After becoming aware of [[Spencer]] Gilman, Isaacs son, they began asking him for help. At first, Spencer was [[What Up Blogosphere!|not interested in helping]], but after receiving a letter from his [[Isaac Gilman|father]] he decided it was the right thing to do. After being [[Hope He's Not Mad|accosted in the parking lot]] by TAAG, Spencer went to work studying his fathers papers.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Sarah Daniel2.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Daniel and [[Sarah]] heating things up.]]<br /> After receiving a mysterious [[Deep Throat|text message]], Daniel went alone to meet whoever sent it, there, Daniel was told by who he referred to as [[Deep Throat]] the Ceremony would be in less than a month. With this information, and the help of fans in deciphering Isaac's water damaged letter, they made a [[We Have A Plan|plan]] to get blood from a trait positive girl and make the serum. After training [[Mission Alpha|Jonas]], [[Mission Beta|Daniel]], and [[Mission Gamma|Taylor]], Spencer announced they were ready. TAAG set out to the [[Wyman Foundation]]. The [[Mission Possible|mission]] was a success and TCC was revealed to be [[Alex]]. After her help, Alex [[Proceed with Caution|told them]] she would be disappearing for a while and gave us more information on the Order, [[Shadow|Shadows]], and Watchers. While in the midst creating the serum to save Bree, the makeshift lab Spencer and Taylor were working in was [[They Broke In!!!|broken in to]] and their notes were destroyed, and Daniel suggested they get out of there.<br /> <br /> At the beginning of the [[12 in 12|season finale]], Daniel told us that he [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|received information]] that the Ceremony would be held that day at 4pm. Although Sarah and Taylor protested and told the boys they did not want to go through with the rescue, they all went anyway and, once again with the help of fans, were [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|able to solve]] a voice mail sent to them by Deep Throat telling them to head to Santa Monica. While trying to get to Bree by 11 am [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 - 10 am|TAAG ran into]] a Watcher who chased them, ramming into their car and forcing them to crash and run for their lives. Sarah became [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 4 of 12 - 11 am|separated]] from the rest of the group, but [[Nikki Bower]] came to the [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 5 of 12 - 12 pm|rescue]] just in time. After their rescue, Daniel went and [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|received information]] that the Ceremony was in the middle of nowhere. They also realized that their serum was broken in the crash and Sarah left to find the other vial. The information from Deep Throat [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 - 2 pm|led them]] to an abandoned hangar where they put the code they were given by Deep Throat into Spencer's phone and played it, thus [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 8 of 12 - 3 pm|opening a secret door.]] After going through the trap door and becoming completely lost, they were able to momentarily [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 8 of 12 - 3 pm|locate Bree]] but were attacked by a Shadow who stabbed Jonas and then was stabbed with the same knife by Daniel. While [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 9 of 12 – 4 pm|still waiting]] for Sarah and the serum, Taylor and a severely bleeding Jonas hid alone together until Daniel found them. Finally, Sarah, made it back to them with the serum in hand and with the remaining five members of TAAG [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|together]], they were able to find Bree laying on a gurney unconscious. However, they were too late. As her heart monitor flat-lined, Daniel and Jonas collapsed in anguish.<br /> <br /> ===After Bree's Death===<br /> After [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|escaping]] from the location of the &quot;Ceremony&quot;, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, and Sarah, went to a Santa Monica beach, where, amid much grieving, Daniel angrily lashed out at a nearly comatose Jonas for sleeping with Bree. This video ended with Sarah shouting to Bree that she had &quot;won&quot; and Daniel was always hers. After their emotional time at the beach, Sarah and Taylor [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|said they were leaving.]] Daniel and Jonas, however, received a voice mail from Bree saying, among other things, that she had gone through with the Ceremony to save Daniel and Jonas. She also left a message for each of them, telling Daniel'' &quot;I want you to know how much your friendship means to me and always meant to me. In my mind you're even way more than just my friend.You're like...You're more like my most favorite best in the world brother, and I love you forever and ever and ever...&quot;''<br /> <br /> [[Image:Mallory Daniel from Camera.jpg|thumb|right|New lady love.]]<br /> Like many of the main characters, Daniel had returned home after the events of the season finale, and said that he [[My Parents Suck Too|would no longer be vlogging]]. After opening [[The Email|Bree's email]], however, Daniel did start to vlog again. He found out that Jonas and [[Emma|his sister]] were in need of assistance, once again began to [[Home Invasion|fight]] the Order. They went on the road again, only this time with Emma in tow. They made their way to [[Grand Canyon|Arizona]], where they were accosted by the Order, and reunited with Sarah. After Jonas [[Watch Your Back|gave Emma to LaRezisto]], the three went back [[The rented house|home]] and began trying to locate Emma. Shortly thereafter, [[Sonia]] [[Tailgating|showed up]] at their door offering her assistance in fighting the Order. At her urging, TAAG [[They'll Do Anything|attempted to locate]] a [[Ceremony Baby|baby]] who was qued up to complete the Ceremony in about 15 years. After saving the baby, they refocused their energies on rescuing Emma. [[Mallory]] [[A Woman's Touch|used &quot;questionable tactics&quot;]] to secretly get information from [[Chris]]. However, this upset Daniel, who was jealous to see his girlfriend kiss another man. Regardless, he followed her lead and posted a video in which he [[What's Going on?|followed]] Chris to a meeting. During said meeting, it was revealed that the [[Hymn Of One|HoO]] had created a partnership between themselves, [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals]], and the [[Wyman Foundation]].<br /> <br /> A few days later, Daniel found that the community had solved Emma's code, and thus her location. He and the others broke into [[Pleasant Manor]], only to be [[Is This The End?|surrounded and trapped]]. After a well-timed intervention by [[Virgil]] the Watcher, they were able to [[What Happened?|get Emma to safety]], forcing Daniel back into the harsh reality of normal life: He was [[School's Out|out of film class]], ''again''. Lucky for him, [[School’s In|Mallory saved him]] - ''again''. Although after being accepted back into class, Daniel [[Gay or Not?|appeared]] to be leading a normal life again, he found himself on another [[Abducted?!|stakeout]] in which he, Jonas, and Sarah, followed a truck from the [[Lullaby Project]] and Sarah and Jonas disappeared, leading Daniel to believe they were abducted. Days [[They're Gone|later]] the two were still missing, and Daniel became increasingly worried. Daniel became slightly glum due to Sarah and Jonas's disappearance and Mallory's increasing absence, and made a video [[Missing Friends|reminiscing]] about his old life and friends, [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]]. Continuing his trip down [[Drunk By Bedtime|memory lane]], Daniel showed us his childhood pictures. After realizing the flak Jonas was catching for [[DANGEROUS DESERT|leaving Sarah]] in the desert, Daniel came to his [[Jonas Cares|defense]], telling us that Jonas did care about Sarah and that he was busy getting information from the mysterious [[Dr. Calvin Hart]].<br /> <br /> ===Derailed===<br /> After not posting a video in several days, Daniel gave us an [[Conjugal Visit|update]] telling us he had been hard at work on his script for film class and that it was going great, and that he was planning to take a break and visit Mallory, he also confronted the speculations of Mallory's relationship with Professor DelMundo, telling us that he did not believe that she was cheating. The next day, Daniel went to the building Mallory was working at to surprise her with pink roses, however, he [[Hot for Teacher|saw]] Mallory and DelMundo kissing on the balcony. Although he initially yelled to Mallory, getting her attention, he did not wait for her to come down and left, saying he was going to post the video and show everyone.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Daniel the Clown.jpg|thumb|left|150px|The Beast, [[Looking For A Date|B&amp;E-ing]] in style]]<br /> The day after, with very little mention of Mallory, Daniel was back to fighting the Order, taking Jonas, Emma, and Dr. Hart to the Verdus building to run tests on Emma, [[Germ Warfare Attack|barely escaping]] the guards. After seeing Mallory's [[I'll Do Whatever It Takes|video plea]] to take her back, Daniel immediately [[Rebound Action|attempted]] to contact Sarah at the Lullaby Project with no success. Although Mallory continued to attempt contact with Daniel, he continued to ignore her and make [[Tired of B*tches|pleas]] to [[Jennie]] that if she knew where Sarah was to please help him. Daniel, Jonas, and Emma later [[Party Crashers|teamed up]] with Jennie, as she led them to the Lullaby Project to rescue Sarah from the Hymn of One. After the team [[Splitting Up|split up]], Daniel was alone with Sarah, [[Bus-ted|on their way back to California]]. After some initial fighting, the two made it back to [[the rented house]], and Daniel [[The Kiss-Off|thanked the community]] for spotting that Mallory's [[Being Stalked]] video was fake, and told her it's over once and for all.<br /> <br /> When everything with Sarah and Mallory was settled, Daniel turned his mind back to rescuing Emma with a series of activities that were hardly within the boundaries of law: [[Looking For A Date|Breaking into Verdus Pharmaceuticals's offices]], soliciting computer crimes by encouraging people to hack [[Ted McKinley]]'s match.com account, and finally, breaking and entering ''again'', this time [[Am I A Criminal?|into Ted McKinley's apartment]], and in coincidence with [[Ted McKinley Memo|theft]]. In between his illegal activities, Daniel tried to [[Stay Strong|support Jennie morally]] and did some information sighting and gathering work on Verdus, Dr. Hart and their backgrounds, finding, among other things, [[Lost &amp; Found|Verdus's financial supporters]]. The memo he stole from Ted McKinley also proved valuable in finding Verdus Pharmaceuticals's president's name.<br /> <br /> After Jonas and Jennie met up with them back at home, Daniel left his intelligence work and returned to active duty, so to speak, first [[San Francisco Live Event|meeting the community in San Francisco]], then, having bugged Lucy's car at [[Too Dangerous!|the same event]], [[Bloodlines: Part 1|tracking her down]] to [[William Porter]]'s house, where Emma was held captive. Although they were originally supposed to meet up with [[Virgil]] there, Jonas and Daniel entered the house on their own (realizing only then the house was owned by Verdus's president), but were not successful in saving Emma. He was then one who [[Bloodlines: Part 2|went into William Porter's house block]] and faced Dr. Hart, but, while meeting Emma in person, only returned with [[Gina]]. It was later [[She Lost A Lot Of Blood|revealed]] that Daniel was told that Dr. Hart and Emma had a plan to [[Bloodlines: Part 4|poison]] William Porter. After Emma's rescue, the gang took Gina with them to hide.<br /> <br /> ===Life with Gina===<br /> Once in hiding, tensions began to run [[4 Girls, 2 Guys|high]], as the girls outnumbered the boys. Daniel claimed that he could see much of Bree in Gina, but Jonas was doubtful and Sarah was indifferent. While Jennie [[A Woman's World|fought]] Jonas about Emma's choices, Daniel and Sarah began to become [[Playing With Wood|closer again.]] After Emma chose to [[I Love You All|leave]] TAAG and rejoin her parents, Jonas [[Things Fall Apart|flipped out]] on Jennie, but Gina revealed that she was the one who gave Emma the money to leave. Daniel began to become closer to Gina, helping her with her first [[I've Never Done This Before|blog]], but angering her because of his inquisitiveness about her drawings. Because tension was at it's highest at that point, Daniel decided to buy [[inebriated|beer]] for everyone. While Daniel stayed sober, the rest [[Hot Tubbing|partied]]. The next morning, Daniel was the only one feeling [[Hangover Hell|fine]] while the others were completely exhausted. On this morning, Jonas found that Sarah had posted Gina's drawings and Daniel recognized one of the drawings as [[Elizabeth Avery|Bree's mom]] Daniel and Gina got even closer when Daniel [[Babe in the Woods|questioned]] her about the portrait of Bree's mom, to which she could only reply that she could only see a face. The whole gang had to once again [[Born to Run|relocate]] after seeing William Porter's [[Shadow]] in one of their videos.<br /> <br /> [[Image:0462-DrunkDaniel.jpg|thumb|right|Daniel [[Looking For A Date|has boundary issues]]]]<br /> Unable to agree with Jonas about whether or not to let Gina try to find Bree's mom, Daniel decided to stay behind with Sarah while Jonas and Jennie decided to take Gina with them to find her. However, that plan was later abandoned and the group decided to stay together. Daniel is stunned when [[Mexican Mating Machine|Carl shows up on their doorstep]], proclaiming that he has left the Hymn of One due to his love for Sarah. He begins [[Kick His A$S!!|acting hostile]] towards both Sarah and Carl, as they then begin to date. His annoyance [[Girl, Returned|increases]] after Gina gets [[Bree's Mom|abducted]] by Bree's Mom as the result of a [[Stock Options|tip provided by Carl]], and channels his anger into [[I'm On Fire|finding out]] who was truly responsible for Bree's death. During Gina's [[Hook Up At the Park|meeting]] with Elizabeth Avery, Daniel confronts her about her actions that led to her daughter's demise. Elizabeth bites back, and scolds Daniel for accusing her in such a manner, and informs TAAG that [[Lord Carruthers|Bree's Elder]] had used his authority over her to make her comply. She gives them information that [[Shop of Horrors!!!|leads the group]] to [[Alcombe Antiques]], where the Elder had purchased a [[Mary Annette|doll]] he had [[I Miss Her|given to Bree]] before the Ceremony.<br /> <br /> As Daniel begins to reminisce over Bree, it is hinted that his feeling for Bree may have refocused on her sister, and he displays [[Varsity Blues|jealously]] whenever Jonas and Gina interact, he has also become [[Adios Amigos|less hostile]] towards Sarah, suggesting that he has moved on emotionally. He later [[Beach Party|becomes drunk]] and begins acting in a manner that would suggest that he does have feelings for Gina. After Jonas [[Escape to London|left for London]] without saying anything, Daniel was pissed, but calmed down by the time [[Crazy Border Crossing!!|Jonas returned]]. However, he accuses Steve of being in the Order after seeing [[Free Will (video)|the video]] he had posted claiming Bree's death was a hoax. However, Daniel reluctantly accepts his help. After being shot at [[Hot Tacos|twice]] by a mysterious [[Assassin|shooter in a black van]], Daniel's laptop gets [[Computer Penetration|hacked]] [[Project Orwell|by]] [[Edward Salinas]], a candidate for U.S. Congress, who is trying to kill TAAG to ascend in the Order. TAAG, with the help of Nikki B., [[Politics Gone Wild!|infiltrate]] a Salinas fundraiser as waiters, and attempt to stop him. However, Steve slips up, causing Daniel to begin [[Alone in the Woods|accusing him]] of being a mole once again. In a move that outraged viewers, Daniel convinced Jonas to leave Steve on the side of the road to fend for himself.<br /> <br /> ===Biting Back===<br /> The group [[We Will Fight|decide]] to stop running and instead become proactive in battling the Order, and Daniel begins leaving Sarah numerous voice messages, concerned for her safety. Upon [[Corn Nuts|returning]] to [[The rented house]], they discover Carl and Sarah drinking Margaritas in festive clothing. Daniel and the others laugh at Carl's lack of clothing, and don't make much of a fuss over his presence. Later, TAAG [[Casting Couch|decide that]] they are going to infiltrate the Salinas campaign by volunteering there, and Daniel uses the &quot;audition&quot; process as an opportunity to flirt with Sarah.<br /> <br /> After [[TAAG]] is [[Sneak Attack!|informed]] that Emma has been [[Backseat Shocker|targeted]] for the Ceremony, Daniel and the others receive a package from Emma, which [[Stiff|leads them]] to her location. On the way, Daniel informs Sarah that he has noticed that she isn't answering Carl's calls. However, the conversation is cut short upon discovering that Elizabeth Avery had broken into their motel room to find Emma's whereabouts. Upon arriving at the bunker, they find Elizabeth dead and Emma missing, and discover notes relating to the resistance in Emma's handwriting. They eventually [[Operation Emma|locate her]] and the group has a joyful reunion at the rented house.<br /> <br /> [[Image:0493-Sarah Daniel makeout.jpg|thumb|left|Daniel and Sarah hook up.]]<br /> The next few days are spent partaking in relaxation, at one point involving Daniel [[Backyard Bikini Patrol|hosing]] Sarah while she is sunbathing. However, Sarah [[Tick Tick Boom|makes it clear]] that she is not getting back together with Daniel after Carl gets captured by Salinas, saying that being around Daniel had confused her, but ultimately she was in love with Carl. When Daniel [[Doing It Myself|points out]] that Salinas is using Carl as bait to get one of them killed, Sarah lashes out at Daniel, and cites that he did everything to try to save Bree, and she had helped even though Bree was her rival for his affections. <br /> <br /> After Carl is safely rescued, TAAG [[Goodbye... For Now|decide to go offline]] while they figure out their next move. However, Daniel's fighting attitude makes him unprepared for the girls' [[Cabin Fever|proposal]] that they have a &quot;prom&quot;. Daniel ultimately [[Partner Swap|decides to ask Sarah]], but she turns him down because she has already asked Carl. Daniel is extremely disappointed, but Emma and Gina both offer to go with him in order to make Sarah jealous. At the prom itself, [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 1|Carl acts distant towards Sarah]], leading her to turn to Daniel for comfort. The night ends with the two of them hooking up, but they are interrupted [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4|when Gina is shot]] and [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 3|the others scatter]]. Daniel is the first to upload his footage, and he meets up with Jennie and Emma at the beach, where they try to figure out how to move forward. Jonas arrives as they are about to leave, and the four of them decide to go after Salinas and Carl, who had informed the Order of their location. However, they only manage to recover the footage of Gina's death, and Daniel continues to worry over whether Sarah is safe.<br /> <br /> ===The Last Straw===<br /> Daniel discovers that Sarah is a double agent working for The Order.<br /> <br /> ==LG15: The Resistance==<br /> [[Image:LG15TheResistance-logo.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]<br /> After Daniel's departure, he was called frequently by a heartbroken Sarah. She [[Here's the Deal|pleads with him]] to call her or message her, and tells him that he is wrong in thinking that she had as choice. In [[Fun Things to Do in Hiding - Volume Three!|another video]], Sarah mentions his love of the Star Wars movies. Daniel has remained silent to her pleas, giving credibility to his vow to stop fighting the Order and live a normal life. In a recent online chat, Sarah revealed that she and Daniel have not spoken, and she would not consider calling him for help.<br /> <br /> ==Family==<br /> Daniel first disclosed specific information about his parents in [[Drinking Problems]], where he revealed that growing up, although they were not loud or abusive drunks, he was &quot;violently ignored&quot; by them. He also said that the bad times were when one of them would stop drinking, because the other one of them would get better and he would finally have a parent, but then, all the arguing would start again. At the time of this video he claimed they had been sober for two years, however, much later in the series, it was confirmed they had, at some point, began [[Drunken Yodeling|drinking again.]] His parents' alcoholism meant that Daniel [[Comfort Food|spent more time with his grandmother]], which he did until she died.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *Throughout their traveling, Daniel has had a tendency to become [[inebriated]] (as noted in [[Uncle Dan]], [[Vegas, Baby!]], [[Spring Break Sucks]], and [[Intervention]]). Before arriving in Texas however, Daniel claimed he was [[Quitting The Sauce|sober once more]] (Daniel's previous [[Drinking Problems|period of sobriety]] followed his rescue from the Order).<br /> *Daniel apparently has two cameras. One is a webcam that shoots videos in the standard 4:3 format. The other is a mini-DV handheld that shoots videos in the 16:9 letterbox format. This webcam can be seen in a mirror in the video [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] and Jonas mentions receiving a tape from Daniel via Bree in the video &quot;Your Decision.&quot; Interestingly, Jonas also appears to own both a 4:3 tethered webcam and a 16:9 handheld videocam.<br /> *One of Daniel's better skills is [[Breaking and Entering]]. He has shown this questionable talent when breaking into Lucy's apartment, into a local warehouse, into Alex's Mexican condo, a hospital in Texas, among others. His response? &quot;''It's all I know how to do really, I guess.''&quot; ([[Lying Bastards]], April 4th, 2007)<br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> Daniel is a Biblical name from Hebrew (דניאל) meaning &quot;God is my judge.&quot; This is the name of the prophet whose story is told in the [[Bible|Book of Daniel]]. One of the stories tells how the prophet Daniel saw visions of supernatural &quot;beasts&quot;. These comparisons have been drawn by LG15 fans because Daniel's username on YouTube/Revver, as well as his nickname in the videos is 'Danielbeast'.<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> Follow this [[Theories About Characters#Daniel|link]] for theories about Daniel.<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}<br /> {{KateCharIndex}}<br /> {{LGRCharIndex}}<br /> {{OpAphidCharIndex|opaphid=yes}}</div>

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<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Person <br /> | name = Emma<br /> | image = Emma Season3.jpg<br /> | age = 16<br /> | birthday = <br /> | youtube =<br /> | revver = <br /> | forum-posts = Emma07<br /> | myspace =<br /> | actor = [[Katherine Pawlak]]<br /> | first = [[A Family Affair]]<br /> | last = [[Chapter 9: New England Ho!]]<br /> | blogs = [[:Category:Emma's blogs|List of Emma's blogs]]<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> '''Emma Wharton''' is [[Jonas]]'s [[trait positive]] adopted sister. At first she resents Jonas for lying to her about the Order, but soon becomes close to him and the rest of TAAG, becoming a key member of the team.<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> Emma was adopted by her first parents at birth, and they raised her as their own until she was nine years old. At that age, she had a [[Emma's Safe|singing recital]] at Hymn of One campus. Emma's mother dropped her off at the dress rehersal and drove home to get dressed and pick up Emma's father. On their way back to the campus, they were involved in a car accident on Route 405 and were killed. Unaware, Emma went on to perform in the recital, spending most of it looking for her parents in the audience. She was devistated by their death, but was whisked away to live with a new set of parents, [[The Whartons]], members of the resistance movement who had had their minds wiped and were assigned to watch over her.<br /> <br /> ===The LaRezisto Affair===<br /> Emma [[A Family Affair|met Jonas]] after he was [[Remember Them?|alerted]] to [[Way of the Gun|his parents' location]] by [[Claire|LaRezisto]]. The reunion was sour, however, as they didn't remember Jonas and were members of the Hymn of One, and have been seen associating with [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]]. It was later revealed through another LaRezisto video that Emma was [[trait positive]] and had been chosen to be the new [[The Ceremony|ceremony girl]]. Jonas and [[Daniel]] quickly drugged her and took her to a remote location, but not without having to [[Home Invasion|deal with]] members of the Order sent to fetch Emma. Once they reached safety, they asked [[Sarah]] to bring [[Spencer]]'s serum, to try to make her &quot;Trait Negative.&quot; Although they told her a false story about meeting her parents for a vacation, she soon searched the Internet and discovered that her parents had been shot, about [[Bree]]’s death and the Hymn of One. She made a meager attempt to run away, but soon decided to stay, making Jonas promise to never lie to her again.<br /> <br /> [[Image:0328 EmmaSaysCome.jpg|thumb|left|Emma captured by Claire.]]<br /> In the video [[Shadow of Death]] (Sept. 8, 2007), Emma, Jonas, and Daniel found themselves surrounded by [[the Order]]. In the midst of the ordeal, Sarah appeared . In the end, they made an escape when Emma charged at a [[Shadow]], grabbed him and he mysteriously died. The remaining Order members fled , Emma and the rest departed without resistance. This led Jonas to believe that she had special powers capable of killing Order members. <br /> <br /> Soon after the confrontation, [[Claire|LaRezisto]] released a [[Help Us!|video]] about Emma. In the video a male voice tells Emma that she has a power, that she should help LaRezisto and that the Order fears her. The video ends with the male voice calling her &quot;Angel of Death&quot;. Daniel reacted with his [[Bullsh%t|own video]], expressing his mistrust for LaRezisto. In the video [[Decision Time]] (Sept. 14, 2007), it is revealed that Emma began taking injections to convert her to trait negative. In the [[Last Train To...|following video]], Emma is shown boarding a train with her parents. Emma then posts a [[I Like Being Me|vlog]] telling us she wishes to live a normal life and announcing she will be taking the last of her injections.<br /> <br /> After being gone only six days, Emma [[Robbing the Cradle|returns]] to Jonas and Daniel offering to help. Two days later, LaRezisto posted another video [[Join Me!|saying]] that she was a trait positive woman, named [[Claire]], wanting to help Emma hone her powers. Amid much protest from Daniel and Sarah, Jonas takes Emma to a remote place in the woods to meet with Claire. He then [[Watch Your Back|allows]] her to take Emma even deeper into the woods alone, and a [[Watcher]] comes out of the woods and calls Claire a &quot;LaRezisto Shadow&quot; and says Emma is in danger. With Jonas unable to find her, videos have been posted from LaRezisto in which Claire [[Emma's Safe|warns TAAG]] not to make any attempts to find them. They also include clips of Emma, [[Girl Talk|apparently forced]] to say that [[She's Telling The Truth|she's fine]]. With TAAG doing all they could to find her, and Emma only in captivity for less than a month, Claire and Emma posted a [[Goodbye For Now|video]] saying that she would indeed be doing [[the Ceremony]] and saying goodbye to Jonas, Daniel, and Sarah. Emma was eventually [[What Happened?|rescued]] by TAAG, however, her father told her she would not be bothered by Jonas again.<br /> <br /> ===Becoming Trait Negative===<br /> While in [[Around the World|hiding]] with her parents, Emma continued to post videos giving us updates on how she was doing. Her parents make it clear that she doesn't want her revealing their location, and forbids her from blogging, so she names a number of places they could possibly be in Order to avoid focus on one particular area. She vlogs at night, as so her parents won;t repremand her, and she complains that they are monitoring her actions so strictly that she feels like a prisoner again. She tries to make a convincing plea to Jonas to not let his parents' attitudes get to him, and that they'll come around eventually, though she doesn't even seem to convince herself of this.<br /> <br /> [[Image:EmmaSleepy.JPG|thumb|right|Emma has trouble sleeping.]]<br /> While Emma complains of having a cold at first, she later says that the cold has gone away and she now has a flu-like illness. She says that the weirdest part of being sick is the [[Sick Dreams|odd dreams]] that come when she sleeps. She mentions that one night when she spiked a high fever, she has a dream where she is walking through clouds and and goes down a slide she sees, and proceeds to watch all the aspects of her life pass her by as she falls toward the ground. After being silent for 15 days, Emma finally posted another video called [[Eat Pie]] (Nov. 22, 2007) where she tells us that she is back at school and has changed her name, but can't reveal what it is. In the same video, she told us that while she was not completely well, but feeling about &quot;seventy to seventy five percent&quot; and had developed a rash that she called a butterfly rash. Days later, she was unable to [[Can't Sleep. Wanna chat?|sleep]] and posted a video expressing her concerns about the rash and her similarities to the [[Gina|girl]] in the [[Who's that girl?|VHS tape]] Jonas had posted. <br /> <br /> A few days later, Jonas and [[Dr. Calvin Hart|Dr. Hart]] were [[Killers at the Door?!|disrupted]] by knocking at their door, afraid they had been found by [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals|Verdus]], they began to flee, however, before they could, the hotel manager got into their room with Emma, who had made her way to Jonas. Jonas later [[Playing Doctor|explained]] that Emma had run away after showing her parents [[Gina]]'s videos and they wouldn't listen to her. Emma and Dr. Hart seem to have [[Get Your Freak On|bonded]] as they were seen sharing cookies and a lot of laughs. After Dr. Hart and Jonas were took Emma to a new undisclosed location, she posted a [[A Girl Alone|video]] sitting against a blank wall and telling us that her parents had put out an APB on her. Although she said very little, Jonas felt that her reference to fattigmann cookies tipped off Verdus and led them to [[They Shot Him!|ambush]] him and Dr. Hart. Days later, Emma [[Brainwashed In Chat|posted]] another video expressing her concern for Sarah who had logged into the chat and said she belonged with the [[Hymn of One]]. Emma, along with Jonas and Daniel, then followed Jennie to [[Mexico]] and [[Party Crashers|rescued]] Sarah.<br /> <br /> ===The Ceremony and Aftermath===<br /> [[Image:0416-Emma436.jpg|thumb|left|Emma says farewell.]]<br /> Surprisingly, it turned out Dr. Hart had been working with the Order all along, in an attempt to capture Emma. Emma was [[KIDNAPPED!|kidnapped]], and [[Girl Tied Up|Dr. Hart claimed]] he had no other choice. A few days later, however, he [[Her Body, Her Blood|was a lot colder about it]], explaining in detail how he had struck a deal with the Order in order to save Gina - if he got Emma for the Ceremony, Gina wouldn't have to do it. Fighting against time once more, on the day of the ceremony, the TAAG was able to [[Bloodlines: Part 1|find Emma at William Porter's house]], but Lucy managed to escape with her and brought her to Porter's house block. The group managed to locate her there at well, but for an unknown reason, Daniel [[Bloodlines: Part 2|left without her and took Gina instead]]. The reason for this became apparent when Dr. Hart started the Ceremony - seconds after it began, the Elder's heart failed and [[Bloodlines: Part 3|Dr. Hart helped Emma to escape]], possibly dying in the process.<br /> <br /> After their escape from the hospital and the ceremony, it was thought that Emma may have been shot. This wasn't true, but she was losing blood at an alarming rate. Emma pulled through this experience and the group then went to stay in a cabin in the mountains where Emma sent a secret message the form of a BOGGLE board to her parents. She made contact with her parents and after saying a [[I Love You All|tearful goodbye]] to Jonas and the others and receiving financial help from Gina, took a train to meet them. Jonas, after initially acting out in [[Things Fall Apart|anger]], was able to get a hold on himself and send a [[I Lost It|message]] out to her telling her he understood and was proud of her.<br /> <br /> ===Underground===<br /> On [[Kick His A$S!!|March 25th 2008]], Jonas was confused when Carl mentioned that Jonas had been the one to push Emma away, however, the comment was eventually forgotten. Not long after this, [[Girl Grown Up|according to Emma]], the Order began closing in on her location. Fearing for their daughter's safety, Emma's parents decided to create a diversion so that Emma could escape to the safety of [[Lonelygirl15 minor locations#Bunker 7|a secret bunker]] that had been used by the Resistance. They promised to contact her when it was safe, but they have not been heard from since.<br /> <br /> [[Image:LG484-Emmawithmap.jpg|thumb|right|Emma searches the streets for TAAG.]]<br /> Emma spent the next month in hiding. She spent her time reading, writing, and composing music on her guitar. On [[Sneak Attack!|May 9th 2008]], after avoiding [[Edward Salinas|Salinas]], Jennie encountered [[Elizabeth Avery]], who told her that Emma is going to be killed, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Before anything else can be heard, Jonas pulls Jennie away. Injured from the incident, Elizabeth [[Backseat Shocker|informs the group]] that Emma had been targeted for the Ceremony by an Elder, and was being tracked down by [[Bree's Watcher|a Watcher]]. Jonas pleads for Emma to contact the group, and she [[Booby Trap?|sends an iPod]] with a coded message that would lead TAAG to her location. However, [[Stiff|on the way]], Elizabeth Avery breaks into their motel room and finds Emma's location on Jonas's computer. Jennie theorizes that Elizabeth is after Emma for her life-extending blood. <br /> <br /> Once Elizabeth [[Girl Grown Up|arrives]], she forces open the door, to Emma's dismay, and tries to persuade Emma to come with her. However, a masked figure enters the room and fatally shoots Elizabeth, and Emma escapes through a trap door. Shortly after, TAAG alive and Sarah concludes that the Order captured Emma or killed her. Unable to accept Sarah's explanation, Jonas attempts to send Emma coordinates for a meeting place. Emma sees the video, and sets out on foot with no money and few supplies in order to get there. When [[Operation Emma|she arrives]], her [[Bree's Watcher|new Watcher]] is nearby, and she and the others make a break for it.<br /> <br /> ===To the Rescue... or Not?===<br /> Upon returning to the rented house, Emma says that the experiences she has had over the last few months have made her stronger, and she is ready to take on the Order. She gets her chance when Salinas [[Tick Tick Boom|captures Carl]] and threatens to kill him unless a member of TAAG surrenders themselves. Emma [[Doing It Myself|volunteers to go]], pointing out that Salinas wouldn't harm her because she is trait positive and it would anger the Order. Jonas reluctantly allows her to go, and she breaks into the [[Sacred Spirit]] headquarters where Carl is being held. Upon locating him, she discovers that there is a security camera in the room, which she uses to force Salinas to cooperate, threatening to stay with Carl and getting herself killed. Salinas disengages the bomb, and tries unsuccessfully to capture them as they leave.<br /> <br /> [[Image:LG492-EmmaAnticipate.jpg|thumb|left|Emma awaits the &quot;most exciting night of her life.&quot;]]<br /> The next week, TAAG go into hiding at [[Big Bear Lake]]. Out of boredom, Sarah [[Cabin Fever|suggests]] that they throw a prom, as Emma and Gina have never gone to one. Emma is the only member of TAAG to [[Dressing Room Hi-Jinks |support Sarah's decision]] to invite Carl. Jonas [[Partner Swap|plans to ask Emma]] in order to protect her, but Jennie guilts him into going with her. In the end, Emma asks Daniel to be her date, only to have Gina join as well so that she won't feel left out. [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 2|At the dance]], Emma spends the majority of her time fooling around with Gina, and when Carl and Sarah arrive, she can't resist pointing out how goofy he looks, despite Sarah asking them not to. The dance becomes tense when Daniel hears noises coming from downstairs, and he, Emma, and Jonas investigate. Though they don't find anything, Emma unknowingly catches Lucy on camera sneaking into the house. After Gina is shot, Emma flees the cabin and heads toward the first public place she can find, pursued by her Watcher. After getting away from the Watcher, Emma [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4|heads towards Jennie's meeting place]], and meets up with Jonas, Daniel, and Jennie.<br /> <br /> After they successfully recover Gina's footage of the night from Salinas and Carl, Emma uploads it onto YouTube, revealing to the community that Gina had died. [[No More Fear|The next week]], Emma posted a video mourning Gina, and sings a song she wrote for her. When TAAG [[Hangman's Noose|captures Carl]], Emma [[Boy Tied Up|tries]] to guilt him into talking by showing him pictures of Gina's death. However, Emma is not pleased by Jonas's reaction to Carl's presence, and is [[Secrets in the Closet|extremely aggravated]] by his destructive search of the house for bugs from the Order. The stress gets to Emma, and she [[I Have A Confession|confesses]] that during her stay with her parents she had applied and been accepted to a prestigious boarding school outside the United States. The school will accept her for the Fall term if she enrolls in summer classes, and she is surprised by Jonas's support of her decision to go, though she chalks it up to being out of harm's way. Before she goes, she asks everyone to keep an eye on Jonas, as she is worried by his erratic behavior. She refuses to say goodbye, instead signing off with &quot;I'll see you next time.&quot;<br /> <br /> Emma then appears in the NowLive chats on the day of [[the Ascension]]. The first time she comes into chat, she tries to learn everything she can, but is interrupted a few times by [[Emma's roommate|her roommate]]. She reiterates several times that the community needed to contact Taylor and tell her to get to [[S.S. Hathor's Song]], where Daniel, Jonas, Jennie, Sarah, and [[Nadia|a trait positive girl]] were. Emma also signs into chat once more, but only for a few minutes, just to say goodbye for now, and to &quot;keep on fighting the Order.&quot;<br /> <br /> ==LG15: The Resistance==<br /> [[Image:LG15TheResistance-logo.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]<br /> While Emma has not yet been mentioned on screen, in response to a comment left on Jonas's profile on LG15.com, it has been revealed that Emma has been in contact with Jonas, and that she is safe and well at an undisclosed location. Emma has appeared in the video montage at the beginning of the Chapter Episodes as one of the trait positive girls in the LG15 universe. In an online chat, Sarah confirmed that Emma is still safe.<br /> <br /> ==Etymology of Emma==<br /> Emma is a Germanic name. It comes from the word &quot;erman&quot; which means “whole” or “universal.”<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> Follow this [[Theories About Characters#Emma|link]] for theories about Emma.<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}<br /> {{LGRCharIndex}}</div>

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<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br /> Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> [[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br /> <br /> :Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little &quot;pedistol&quot; if you will. Kind of said, &quot;look at me. I am important.&quot; Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> [EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> <br /> == Spencer ==<br /> <br /> If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br /> :However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &quot;main blogging character&quot;. I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Screenshots? ==<br /> Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> :Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> <br /> == Missions ==<br /> <br /> This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == OpAphid ==<br /> <br /> OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Someone!!! ==<br /> <br /> Someone<br /> tell<br /> me<br /> how<br /> to<br /> put<br /> a<br /> video<br /> up!?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Outdating ==<br /> <br /> Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &quot;Deceased&quot; or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br /> <br /> :I don't think a &quot;deceased&quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br /> :i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br /> <br /> :And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &quot;Deceased&quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br /> :I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's &quot;alphabetical&quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> :I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I agree wholeheartedly that &quot;Daniel in sombrero&quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == New Series Portal Images ==<br /> <br /> Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br /> [[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]&lt;br&gt;<br /> I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways &quot;portal,&quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br /> ::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &quot;Portal&quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br /> <br /> == Emma ==<br /> <br /> Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der &gt;.&lt; I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br /> <br /> Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br /> <br /> == New Bree Portal Image ==<br /> I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br /> :I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br /> :Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br /> :::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br /> ::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br /> ::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br /> ::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br /> ::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br /> ::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> I'm not quite understanding the whole &quot;spoliers&quot; reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> :There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Current Main Characters?? ==<br /> <br /> I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Yay.<br /> Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br /> <br /> :Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br /> ::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding &quot;headshots&quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br /> <br /> I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &quot;former&quot; characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in &quot;mourning&quot; for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br /> <br /> So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br /> <br /> == Opinions on new news design? ==<br /> <br /> Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Known problems:<br /> *Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br /> *Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Thanks :)<br /> :::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br /> :::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br /> :::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br /> :::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no &quot;real&quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.<br /> ::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br /> :::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''&lt;br&gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br /> :::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br /> :::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br /> :::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::: I like the yellow. It screams &quot;new video.&quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br /> ::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Brand New Images ==<br /> <br /> So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br /> <br /> [[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br /> <br /> I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Dates for videos==<br /> I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :I say they all should list the date.<br /> ::&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br /> :::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == 'Breeniverse' ==<br /> <br /> This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br /> :It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but &quot;lonelyverse&quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &quot;danielverse&quot; and &quot;jonasverse&quot; are just as personal. &quot;Orderverse&quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &lt;small&gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&gt;<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br /> <br /> == New portal image ==<br /> <br /> So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br /> <br /> What do you think?<br /> <br /> [[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br /> <br /> --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br /> <br /> :The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp; Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == New portal title image. ==<br /> <br /> I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br /> <br /> it would look like this:&lt;br&gt;<br /> {{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}&lt;Br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br /> :I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br /> ::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br /> ::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;Br&gt;<br /> ::Here:&lt;br&gt;<br /> ::{{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br /> ::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br /> <br /> == GINA ==<br /> <br /> Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br /> <br /> <br /> RESPOND!<br /> RESPOND<br /> RESPOND<br /> RESPOND<br /> :You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> #1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br /> <br /> == Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br /> <br /> Please Respond!<br /> <br /> == YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br /> <br /> New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br /> (these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br /> Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br /> :Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br /> <br /> :Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br /> ::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br /> <br /> I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Portal Images ==<br /> <br /> I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br /> <br /> == Steve on LG15? ==<br /> should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br /> :No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == REMOVING SARAH? ==<br /> Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br /> Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br /> :I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br /> ::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Redesign ==<br /> <br /> So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br /> [[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br /> <br /> Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br /> :She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br /> <br /> ==Main Character Merit==<br /> Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br /> :A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br /> :B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br /> I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br /> :I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Order of Characters ==<br /> <br /> Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I really like the &quot;normal&quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> Er, we need a B&amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Gina on the character row ==<br /> <br /> What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br /> ::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br /> ::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole &quot;who's important enough, who isn't&quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger &quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&quot; page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &quot;[[Drew Avery]]&quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br /> :::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a &quot;I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid&quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br /> ::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting &quot;high and mighty&quot;. It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I propose that we add a &quot;memorial&quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &quot;[[orange]]&quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br /> :::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br /> <br /> ==Video Screencap Redirects==<br /> Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the &quot;adding new video&quot; ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::Not &quot;dumb,&quot; it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br /> If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br /> <br /> The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br /> <br /> The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br /> <br /> *Bree - 153<br /> *Daniel - 273<br /> *Gemma - 21<br /> *Jonas - 242<br /> *OpAphid - 33<br /> *Tachyon - 12<br /> *Alex - 15<br /> *Sarah - 134<br /> *Taylor - 47<br /> *Spencer - 24<br /> *Emma - 62<br /> *Mallory - 22<br /> *Jennie - 76<br /> *Gina - 61<br /> <br /> Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br /> <br /> ::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &quot;important&quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br /> :::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> [[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br /> ::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br /> <br /> ::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &lt;br&gt;<br /> ::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina<br /> <br /> :::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> [[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br /> ::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br /> :I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br /> <br /> ::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the &quot;List of Videos&quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br /> <br /> ::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br /> <br /> ::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&quot;zing!!!!?&quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br /> <br /> ::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br /> :[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br /> <br /> {{clr}}[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images-Fixed.png|right|400px]]<br /> :::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br /> For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br /> :'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br /> :'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br /> :'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br /> :'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br /> :'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br /> :'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br /> :'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br /> :'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br /> :'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br /> Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> I agree!<br /> <br /> ::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &lt;b&gt;8 smaller&lt;/b&gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ----<br /> ::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}<br /> ::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br /> <br /> ::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br /> ::::*Zoey<br /> ::::*Phisho<br /> ::::*Jonpro<br /> ::::*Milowent<br /> ::::*LimePenguin<br /> ::::*KindredPhantom<br /> ::::*Bobby G<br /> ::::*FH14<br /> <br /> ::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br /> ::::(emphasis added)<br /> ----<br /> ::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br /> <br /> ::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br /> ::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either &quot;blind or illiterate&quot; because of that.}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &quot;I agree!&quot; that you failed to mention.<br /> <br /> ::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br /> ::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br /> :::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br /> ::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &quot;good consensus&quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a &quot;good consensus&quot; on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br /> <br /> ::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &quot;good consensus&quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br /> ::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br /> <br /> ::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br /> ::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::&lt;small&gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &quot;only&quot; one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> :::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br /> <br /> :::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::::How is it not true?<br /> ::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &quot;good consensus&quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br /> ::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br /> ::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br /> ::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: &quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br /> ::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br /> ::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br /> <br /> ::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br /> <br /> ::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of &quot;cropping this shit until it fits&quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br /> ::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br /> ::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br /> <br /> ::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br /> ::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br /> <br /> ::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br /> ::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br /> :::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &quot;1,111+&quot; members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br /> <br /> :::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br /> ::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br /> <br /> ::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br /> ::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br /> ::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br /> ::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br /> <br /> ::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br /> ::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br /> <br /> ::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br /> <br /> ::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &quot;major&quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br /> ::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br /> ::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br /> ::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br /> ::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br /> ::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br /> ::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br /> ::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br /> ::::::::...based on whose decision?<br /> <br /> ::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br /> ::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br /> ::::::::All you have is &quot;8 small&quot;. You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br /> <br /> ::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br /> <br /> ::::::::You wanna play &quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&quot;? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br /> ::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br /> ::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br /> <br /> ::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br /> <br /> ::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br /> :::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&quot;Who's going to be in it?&quot; Well...<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br /> ::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br /> ::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br /> ::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br /> ::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br /> :::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> <br /> Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &quot;clear your name&quot;. Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Hmm...I can't say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let's make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay um... how about...<br /> <br /> [[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]<br /> <br /> Any of those? I'll keep looking, that's just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it's a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]<br /> <br /> ::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don't think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I'm fine keeping that. I'm just trying to think of something... happier?<br /> <br /> ::::[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|150px]] [[Image:Breee.JPG|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&amp;W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it's weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I'll wait 'til tomorrow, otherwise I'll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> EDIT: Ahh I think I've got it. What do you think: [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:46, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :No complaints here! Thanks, Zoey. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Looks excellent! Glad we used that pic of Gina, it's one of my favorites! And the pic of Bree is so...''Bree''. Great job, Zoey. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:41, 5 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;looks at the portal*&lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;looks at previous statements*&lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;looks at the date*&lt;br&gt;<br /> Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Forum Link==<br /> Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Character Row Updates ==<br /> <br /> Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of ''official'' appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> :Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren't listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that's a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just '''love''' consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creators. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]<br /> :::Oh, that seems silly to me. They didn't list everyone who's ever been in the crew, but we're not updating our pages to disclude anyone for consistency. Our method is solid, my vote is to stick with it. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:48, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::You make a good point. If anyone else wants to stand up for Spencer, I'll support them... but for now, I'm content with the way it is. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:51, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::::For the record, I'm a nut for consistency too :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:53, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::::I noticed that too, and came straight here...and a discussion was already underway! I don't see Spencer as a main character at all, but I'm also a nut for consistency. I could be swayed both ways, but...&quot;if it ain't broke, don't fix it,&quot; right? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:29, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Capitalization==<br /> <br /> I've been meaning to bring this up for a while, but I keep forgetting. The show's technically called &quot;lonelygirl15,&quot; with a lowercase ''l'' since that's how Bree's youtube account was created, right? Well...there are multiple instances of the ''l'' being capitalized on the Portal page, and I'm sure that there are instances elsewhere in the 'pedia. Is that something a bot could fix? I don't exactly know how to do that. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:32, 4 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Yes, the lowercase title is correct. But when it's at the beginning of a sentence, I think it should still be capitalized, just like any other word. I can run something with [[User:LGBot|LGBot]] tomorrow to try to fix the capitalization pedia-wide, if no one beats me to it.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:06, 5 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Words are cut off==<br /> In the boxes for the individual seasons, the first sentence in the box it cut off by the images of Bree, Emma &amp; Gina...</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Going_Down&diff=140040 2008-08-07T02:34:41Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 514<br /> | image = 0514-JonasFindsRock.JPG<br /> | caption = Jonas has the golden ticket.<br /> | blogger = Jonas<br /> | date = 20080702<br /> | url = {{lg15|636}}<br /> | forumid = 17888<br /> | length = 6:41<br /> | description = The Resistance may not be what we thought.<br /> | location = Lake Clandon<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|jonastko|jonas|jennie|going down}}<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried<br /> | serprod = Amanda Goodfried <br /> | pa = Jenni Powell<br /> | directors = Marcello Daciano <br /> | story = Tom Pettit, Blair Singer, Jim Campolongo, and Amanda Goodfried<br /> | vidplay = Jim Campolongo<br /> | camera = Kevin Schlanser <br /> | editor = Kevin Schlanser<br /> | music supervisor = Seth Jacobs<br /> | song = &quot;Ki Etsi Teliosame&quot; by Kourkoulis Nikos<br /> <br /> | cast = {{VidChar|Jonas}}<br /> <br /> <br /> | Previous = Awkward Threesome<br /> | Next = A New Direction<br /> | PreviousB = Born Free<br /> | NextB = No Way To Live<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Jonas:''' Here we are! Lake Clandon. (''Pans over the lake'') I'd really like to thank ooxxkt, Brandy, and Bear for helping me decode the documents that I found in the [[Resistance]] [[Lonelygirl15_minor_locations#Bunker_7|bunker]]. Thanks to you guys we figured out that the documents made up of signal flags and morse code contained a location, Lake Clandon, followed by a series of very, very vague instructions. I guess whoever wrote this things must have had some kind of a naval background. (''Sniffs'') Yeah, that smells like a clue. (''Cut to Jonas at the edge of the lake'') This is so... so weird. I've been here before. Yeah... I used to go fishing here with my [[The Whartons|dad]] when I was a kid. Maybe there was more to those trips than I thought. (''Cut to a tree and Jonas looking up it'') (''Laughs'') Ahh! I have no idea what I'm looking for to be honest. First part of the code translated as &quot;Caldon Lake.&quot; 'Kay, we're here. But then it said, &quot;by the marked tree,&quot; so... I'm guessing one of the trees around here's gotta have some sort of marking on it? I don't know. Keep your eyes open. Oh, yeah, I guess I gotta do that.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to some fast footage of Jonas searching various trees'')<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' And here we are at tree one billion six hundred and ninety seven thousand. I don't even know. Maybe I've already seen the mark. I mean, I don't even know what I'm looking for. (''Cut to Jonas kneeling by a tree. The camera pans from the bottom up until a Resistance symbol is seen''.) Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. That's a... that's a... what's it called? Theta? Theta (''snaps fingers'') Theta Pi! It's an anti-order symbol. It's the same one that Bree [[How Dumb Am I?|found]] in my parent's cabin. I think we've found our marked tree, people. <br /> <br /> (''Cut to an angled shot from the ground of Jonas in front of the tree with his bag and equipment next to him''.) <br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' (''Pulls out documents'') Okay, so here's the deal. This right here (''shows alpha naval signal flag upside down'') this is the signal... (''turns it right side up'') this is the signal flag for the letter A. It's also an abbreviation for &quot;Diver Down.&quot; Yeah, diver down. So I guess... (''laughs'') I guess that means whatever I'm looking for is in the water. I'm going swimming! (''Stuffs documents into bag'') And the last part was in morse code and it said &quot;black rock&quot; so I'm looking for a black rock in the water. (''Sniffs'') Sounds easy. (''Grabs shovel'') Good thing I'm prepared, huh? (''Grabs the camera'')<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Jonas crouching down in front of the camera in his bathing suit''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Okay, so I guess I'm not as prepared as I thought. Didn't bring flip-flops. (''Sighs'') All right, anyway, (''clears throat'') I'm gonna have to leave you guys here for this part. Wish me luck. (''Goes to walk away'') This better be worth it. That's all I'm saying.<br /> <br /> (''Jonas gets up and heads over to the water with his shovel. Noise from behind the camera can be heard''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Big rocks, big rocks!<br /> <br /> (''Jonas goes out of view and we hear footsteps approaching. Two gloved hands appear in the shot and begin rummaging through Jonas's bag. They pull out a pair of laboratory goggles. They fumble through the rope and finally find the documents underneath''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Hey! Hey!<br /> <br /> (''The gloved person fumbles with the documents but scoops them up and runs away''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' (''Running after the person'') Hey! Ow! Damn it!<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Jonas holding his bag close to the river''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Okay, I don't know who that was. I was too far out. I couldn't really see. But I'm thinking I better get this done before they come back. What do you think? (''Walks down to the edge of the lake'') Let's get to digging.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to fast footage of Jonas digging around in the water. Jonas picks up a black rock and examines it''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Ha! Ha ha! (''Lifts up rock'') Ha ha ha ha! Ha! (''Runs over to the camera with the rock'') Black rock, same symbol. (''Throws rock down'') Got it.<br /> <br /> (''Jonas goes back into the water and starts digging. Eventually, his shovel hits something. He begins to dig frantically and pulls out a silver briefcase and walks back to the camera''.)<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' I got it! I got it. I got it.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Jonas with his shirt on under the tree'')<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' All right, so this is what's inside. (''Holds up a plastic covered document with signatures'') It looks like... some sort of a mission statement and it's got a bunch of signatures on it. Right? So I did a quick check online. Every single name on here, signed in full, corresponds with every initial on my dad's [[The Order in the Modern Empire|thesis]]. My dad's name is on this paper alongside eleven other names including Michael Byron Carruthers. (''Gets louder'') As in... (''turns around to see if anyone is around and gets quieter'') as in [[Lord Carruthers]]. No, why would Lord Carruthers' name be on a Resistance document? I don't know. (''Grabs briefcase'') But we're gonna find out.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Jonas lying on the grass near his truck'')<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' You know, when I think of this lake or this mission statement... (''sighs'') it makes me realize this is getting all very, very personal. You know, I started this trip out with Gina's drawings and now everything, everything's leading back to my parents. You know, when I first found out they were still [[Hey Dad|alive]], man... that's a feeling that's just impossible to describe. When they didn't [[A Family Affair|remember]] me, I just... I just kinda gave up on 'em. I gave up on ever knowing the truth about their role in the Resistance, what happened to them after they disappeared, just- just the whole thing. Maybe that's what this is all about.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> [[Image:We Who Fight.jpg|thumb|The mission statement.]]<br /> * A copy of the paper in the briefcase can be found [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17890&amp;hilit=#p610968 here], or on your right.<br /> * The document that Jonas found reveals his last name to be Wharton (an anagram for &quot;Hart won&quot;).<br /> * The object stolen from Jonas's bag is believed to be one of the coded papers.<br /> * The title of this video may be a reference the slang for performing oral sex.<br /> * This is the last video to mention [[Gina]].</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:TraverseTown&diff=139999 2008-08-06T20:22:31Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I am a [[Words of Wisdom|canon]] character in the LG15 universe. Suck it!<br /> <br /> Being 1) in the following categories denotes that that person/video/arc best fits the catergory.<br /> <br /> ==Favorite LG15 Characters==<br /> Honorable Mention: [[Gemma]], [[Carl]], [[Lucy]], and [[Mallory]]<br /> :3) [[Spencer]]<br /> :2) [[Jennie]] and [[Taylor]]<br /> :1) [[Gina]]<br /> <br /> ==Least Favorite LG15 Characters==<br /> Dishonorable Mention: [[Emma]] and [[Virgil]]<br /> :3) [[Daniel]]<br /> :2) [[Sarah]]<br /> :1) [[Jonas]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:TraverseTown&diff=139998 2008-08-06T20:21:59Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I am a [[Words of Wisdom|canon]] character in the LG15 universe. Suck it!<br /> <br /> #1 in the following categories denotes that that person/video/arc best fits the catergory.<br /> <br /> ==Favorite LG15 Characters==<br /> Honorable Mention: [[Gemma]], [[Carl]], [[Lucy]], and [[Mallory]]<br /> :3) [[Spencer]]<br /> :2) [[Jennie]] and [[Taylor]]<br /> :1) [[Gina]]<br /> <br /> ==Least Favorite LG15 Characters==<br /> Dishonorable Mention: [[Emma]] and [[Virgil]]<br /> :3) [[Daniel]]<br /> :2) [[Sarah]]<br /> :1) [[Jonas]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=MaxterBexter&diff=139997 2008-08-06T19:35:16Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Show<br /> | name = MaxterBexter<br /> | image = MaxterBexter6.jpg<br /> | cast =<br /> {{Show/row|Maxwell Glick|[[Maxwell Glick|Himself]]}}<br /> {{Show/row|Becki Kregoski|[[Becki Kregoski|Herself]]}}<br /> <br /> |headercolor = lightblue<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''MaxterBexter''' is a variety [[YouTube]] show starring [[Maxwell Glick]] and [[Becki Kregoski]]. The episodes usually involve the duo on some sort of outing, many times involving food at some point. They also include ''Maxtoids'' or ''Bextoids'', where Max and Becki dispel some sort of educational tidbit, though Becki admits that her ''Bextoids'' don't really make sense.<br /> <br /> Both Becki and Max had roles on [[Lonelygirl15]] playing [[Taylor]] and [[Spencer]], respectively. Many fans even speculated a romance in the making between the characters, but the two remained mere friends. <br /> <br /> ===Cameos===<br /> On June 12th, Yousef Abu-Taleb made a cameo on the show with Becki as Max was unavailable. That episode is unofficially known as &quot;YousterBexter.&quot; Yousef also appeared in the episode &quot;Carpooling in L.A.&quot; alongside both Max and Becki.<br /> <br /> ===Max's Snaps===<br /> &lt;gallery&gt;<br /> Image:MaxterBexter1.jpg<br /> Image:MaxterBexter2.jpg<br /> Image:MaxterBexter3.jpg<br /> Image:MaxterBexter4.jpg<br /> Image:MaxterBexter5.jpg<br /> Image:MaxterBexter7.png<br /> Image:MaxterBexter8.png<br /> Image:MaxterBexter9.jpg<br /> Image:MaxterBexter10.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External Links==<br /> *[http://www.youtube.com/maxterbexter MexterBexter on YouTube]<br /> <br /> __NOTOC__<br /> __NOEDITSECTION__<br /> {{LGOutsideProjects}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=7:00_PM&diff=139996 2008-08-06T19:34:09Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 546<br /> | image = 0546-DanielLeaves.JPG<br /> | caption = The End. Nothing more, nothing less.<br /> | blogger = Sarah<br /> | date = 20080801<br /> | url = {{lg15|672}}<br /> | forumid = 18303<br /> | length = 2:38<br /> | description = This is goodbye.<br /> | location = [[Beaches|A beach in Mexico]], [[Mexico]]<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|eclipse}} <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = <br /> <br /> | cast = <br /> {{VidChar|Daniel}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jennie}}<br /> {{VidChar|Spencer}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jonas}}<br /> {{VidChar|Sarah}}<br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = 6:00 PM<br /> | Next = In My Sights<br /> | NextB =<br /> }}<br /> It is part thirteen of [[The Ascension]], the lonelygirl15 series finale.<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> (''The camera shows a shot of birds flying in formation over the ocean. Taylor, with the camera, turns to Daniel, who is staring at the ocean. Daniel looks at Taylor like he is about to say something, but walks away. Taylor turns the camera to Jennie and Spencer, both wrapped in blankets, and Spencer looking weakened.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' You guys, maybe we should just go.<br /> <br /> (''Jennie and Spencer are silent. Daniel is seen walking behind them. Jennie looks over her shoulder, then looks down again, but does a double-take and opens her eyes wide in excitement.'')<br /> <br /> '''Jennie:''' Oh my god, he's here, (''panting'') Jonas!<br /> <br /> (''Jonas and Sarah arrive on the beach and start walking to the others. Jennie runs over and gives Jonas a hug while speaking to him, Sarah walks towards Daniel.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Daniel, I-. (''Daniel walks away, Sarah becomes silent and pushes the camera down, Daniel walks over and gives Jonas a hug.'')<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' You okay man?.<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Yeah. I'm fine.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to everybody on the beach. Sarah walks to Daniel who gets up and ignores her, Sarah starts to cry. Jennie, Taylor, and Spencer begin walking away. Jennie looks at Jonas.'')<br /> <br /> '''Jennie:''' You'll be here when I get back, right?.<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Yeah.<br /> <br /> '''Jennie:''' I knew you'd be okay. (''Jennie, Taylor, and Spencer walk away.'')<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Look man, um, I'm leaving. I-I'm gonna go back to school, or somethin- (''Looks at Sarah and starts yelling'') Would you just stop it!? Just, just turn it off.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' People want to know.<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' I don't care if people want to know! Just turn it off. I'm leaving. (''Daniel walks away as Jonas pats him on the back reassuringly.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' What do we do now?<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' I'm going home.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' But, uh, Jennie's coming back<br /> <br /> '''Jonas:''' Yeah, I know. Tell her I'm sorry. (''Jonas walks away in the opposite direction of the others.'')<br /> <br /> (''Cut to black'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *Spencer has no dialogue in this video.</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Template:CharIndex&diff=139429 2008-08-03T20:56:27Z

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TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Italian_Sister_Series&diff=139428 2008-08-03T20:51:45Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>Okay, I know the news has just been released today, but...<br /> <br /> {{quote|NewTeeVee|EQAL, the new startup formed by the creators of lonelygirl15, is following up on its promise to expand the LG15 “universe” to other countries. The company told NewTeeVee today it had signed a deal with M.A.D. Entertainment to create a localized sister series in Italy.<br /> <br /> The show — which will be EQAL’s first project '''in a language other than English''' — has yet to be named, written, cast, or sponsored, but it is supposed to be released this winter.<br /> <br /> EQAL will be participating to a lesser extent than it did with KateModern, the UK-based LG15 sister series, for which EQAL CEO Miles Beckett lived in London while serving as showrunner and training a local production team. Now he and co-founder Greg Goodfried will be executive producers for the Italian series with “final creative oversight,” but they will leave operations to M.A.D. Besides, neither of them speak Italian.<br /> <br /> Also different from KateModern will be the technology setup. KateModern had been integrated into and hosted on the social network Bebo. While EQAL isn’t looking to build its own video player, it will be building out its own social network on its own site so members can interact with each other all in onlocation. With KateModern, said Beckett, “We didn’t see as much of the bonding occurring between the fans as we do on our site… We’ve learned to have the heart of soul of the show on a URL that’s dedicated to the show [because] you want a close-knit group of people.”<br /> <br /> The Italian series news follows on EQAL’s raising $5 million, wrapping up KateModern, and signing a “first-look” deal with CBS. Beckett said that along with producing web content for CBS, EQAL expects to launch two to three additional shows by the end of this year.<br /> <br /> What to expect? Not exactly a modern remake of Roman Holiday. The LG15 universe, as Beckett describes it, is “very much like Buffy, a little bit of comedic element, teen angst and romance, and sci-fi drama.” Like past series, the new show is likely to have a young female star, he said, as well as EQAL’s honed elements of brand integration, interactive live events, and fighting against “The Order.”}}<br /> Erm, how will the LGPedia function with this new series. It's in Italian... So will it's pages be in Italian? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:39, 04 June 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> :Hmm, I can't see maintaining pages in Italian being feasible unless we all of a sudden get a bunch of editors who speak Italian, and even then it would be difficult. Are we even sure this show falls under the scope of the LGPedia? It sounds as if the C's won't be ''that'' involved, so right now I'm thinking a page about it with a link and description will be enough. That is, unless we hear differently from the &quot;higher-ups&quot;. Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:05, 5 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::How about we first have the pages in english, then if we get new italian editers than they can put sections on the pages in italian. Or we could do an italian version of lgpedia like how wikipedia has other languages. But we would need to know who speaks italian. I don't know. Another thing we could do is have someone post transcript and then someone post tranlation.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:14, 19 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Well have to see how lg15.com is tied to the show - if the show is hosted on lg15.com, it may make sense to have it covered on the lgpedia, but in a segregated italian wiki. how that progresess would depend on how lg15italia progressses. as jonpro suggests, the english lgpedia could probably have a single page on it. I'm sure the C's will give some guidance as the launch approaches. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 07:56, 20 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Well, I get the feeling that it's going to be tied in with the LG15 Universe, simply because of Miles' comment of comparing LG15 to the Buffyverse. But hey, guess we'll have to wait for more specific details, no? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 27 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Pheon! Nice to see you around, man. :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:34, 27 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Has it been confirmed officially? I mean, it was just announced there would be a new show based in America, so is the Italian show false, or are they persuing both series? [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:59, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :For the record, in the live broadcast/chat today, the Creators addressed the Italian show. Yes, they are moving forward with it. It is completely separate of the new American show but will still take place within the fictional LG15 universe, so it will deal with the Order/the Hymn of One. It will be featured on the new main site, and they might do some sort of IP targeting where if you're in America, you'll automatically be redirected to the American show and if you're in Italy you'll automatically be directed to the Italian show. They said that they are looking into subtitling it, but it might be out of their budget, but if an Italian speaker would like to undertake that, they're more than willing to cooperate. Uh...I can't think of anything else. The audio from the broadcast is supposedly at lg15today.blogspot.com, but it's over an hour. You can listen if you want! --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 03:13, 15 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> It might be nessesary to include coverage on show, seeing how things in the show might have an impact on the canon of the entire LG15 universe. --[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 15:51, 3 August 2008 (CDT)</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=139427 2008-08-03T19:32:28Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>== New Jonas Picture? ==<br /> Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> [[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]<br /> <br /> :Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little &quot;pedistol&quot; if you will. Kind of said, &quot;look at me. I am important.&quot; Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> [EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> <br /> == Spencer ==<br /> <br /> If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])<br /> :However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &quot;main blogging character&quot;. I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Screenshots? ==<br /> Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> :Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> <br /> == Missions ==<br /> <br /> This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == OpAphid ==<br /> <br /> OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Someone!!! ==<br /> <br /> Someone<br /> tell<br /> me<br /> how<br /> to<br /> put<br /> a<br /> video<br /> up!?<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Outdating ==<br /> <br /> Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &quot;Deceased&quot; or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie<br /> <br /> :I don't think a &quot;deceased&quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.<br /> :i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]<br /> <br /> :And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &quot;Deceased&quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''<br /> :I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's &quot;alphabetical&quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> :I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I agree wholeheartedly that &quot;Daniel in sombrero&quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == New Series Portal Images ==<br /> <br /> Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:<br /> [[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]&lt;br&gt;<br /> I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways &quot;portal,&quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}<br /> ::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &quot;Portal&quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}<br /> <br /> == Emma ==<br /> <br /> Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der &gt;.&lt; I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault. <br /> <br /> Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007<br /> <br /> == New Bree Portal Image ==<br /> I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)<br /> :I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)<br /> :Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.<br /> :::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.<br /> ::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.<br /> ::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.<br /> ::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.<br /> ::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.<br /> ::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> I'm not quite understanding the whole &quot;spoliers&quot; reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> :There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Current Main Characters?? ==<br /> <br /> I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Yay.<br /> Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.<br /> <br /> :Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)<br /> ::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding &quot;headshots&quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007<br /> <br /> I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &quot;former&quot; characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in &quot;mourning&quot; for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)<br /> <br /> So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?<br /> <br /> == Opinions on new news design? ==<br /> <br /> Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Known problems:<br /> *Light initials are sometimes hard to read<br /> *Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Thanks :)<br /> :::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.<br /> :::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.<br /> :::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.<br /> :::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no &quot;real&quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.<br /> ::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...<br /> :::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''&lt;br&gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}<br /> :::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D<br /> :::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.<br /> :::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::: I like the yellow. It screams &quot;new video.&quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)<br /> ::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Brand New Images ==<br /> <br /> So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)<br /> <br /> [[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!<br /> <br /> I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Dates for videos==<br /> I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :I say they all should list the date.<br /> ::&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br /> :::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == 'Breeniverse' ==<br /> <br /> This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?<br /> :It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but &quot;lonelyverse&quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &quot;danielverse&quot; and &quot;jonasverse&quot; are just as personal. &quot;Orderverse&quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &lt;small&gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&gt;<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])<br /> <br /> == New portal image ==<br /> <br /> So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.<br /> <br /> What do you think?<br /> <br /> [[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]<br /> <br /> --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]<br /> <br /> :The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp; Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == New portal title image. ==<br /> <br /> I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.<br /> <br /> it would look like this:&lt;br&gt;<br /> {{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}&lt;Br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}<br /> :I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)<br /> ::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}<br /> ::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;Br&gt;<br /> ::Here:&lt;br&gt;<br /> ::{{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br /> ::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}<br /> <br /> == GINA ==<br /> <br /> Put up sideline pitcure of Gina<br /> <br /> <br /> RESPOND!<br /> RESPOND<br /> RESPOND<br /> RESPOND<br /> :You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> #1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU<br /> <br /> == Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==<br /> <br /> Please Respond!<br /> <br /> == YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==<br /> <br /> New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and <br /> (these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?<br /> Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:<br /> :Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==<br /> <br /> :Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!<br /> ::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==<br /> <br /> I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Portal Images ==<br /> <br /> I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;<br /> [[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]<br /> <br /> == Steve on LG15? ==<br /> should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?<br /> :No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == REMOVING SARAH? ==<br /> Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?<br /> Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell<br /> :I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)<br /> ::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> == Redesign ==<br /> <br /> So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?<br /> [[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]<br /> <br /> Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}<br /> :She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.<br /> <br /> ==Main Character Merit==<br /> Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:<br /> :A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)<br /> :B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). <br /> I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)<br /> :I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Order of Characters ==<br /> <br /> Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I really like the &quot;normal&quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> Er, we need a B&amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Gina on the character row ==<br /> <br /> What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br /> ::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br /> ::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole &quot;who's important enough, who isn't&quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger &quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&quot; page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &quot;[[Drew Avery]]&quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.<br /> :::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a &quot;I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid&quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]<br /> ::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting &quot;high and mighty&quot;. It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I propose that we add a &quot;memorial&quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &quot;[[orange]]&quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)<br /> :::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.<br /> <br /> ==Video Screencap Redirects==<br /> Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the &quot;adding new video&quot; ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::Not &quot;dumb,&quot; it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Character Row Post Aug 1==<br /> If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.<br /> <br /> The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.<br /> <br /> The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...<br /> <br /> *Bree - 153<br /> *Daniel - 273<br /> *Gemma - 21<br /> *Jonas - 242<br /> *OpAphid - 33<br /> *Tachyon - 12<br /> *Alex - 15<br /> *Sarah - 134<br /> *Taylor - 47<br /> *Spencer - 24<br /> *Emma - 62<br /> *Mallory - 22<br /> *Jennie - 76<br /> *Gina - 61<br /> <br /> Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.<br /> <br /> ::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &quot;important&quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)<br /> :::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> [[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]<br /> ::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:<br /> <br /> ::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &lt;br&gt;<br /> ::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina<br /> <br /> :::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> [[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]<br /> ::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.<br /> :I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}<br /> <br /> ::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the &quot;List of Videos&quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}<br /> <br /> ::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}<br /> <br /> ::...gotta love how these things turn out.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&quot;zing!!!!?&quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> :::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008<br /> <br /> ::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::I'm not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel. I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters. [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern's portal page), and I'm one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br /> :[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they're not sticking to the top?) That might work... :' --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008<br /> <br /> {{clr}}[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images-Fixed.png|right|400px]]<br /> :::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it's worth trying, I'll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don't have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that'd be great. And the gif ''has'' to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it's the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)<br /> For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They're the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they're the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -<br /> :'''Gemma''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months<br /> :'''OpAphid''', Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br /> :'''Tachyon''', Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88<br /> :'''Alex''', Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.<br /> :'''Spencer''', Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.<br /> :'''Mallory''', Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. <br /> :'''Dr. Hart''', Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.<br /> :'''Carl''', Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.<br /> :'''Nikki B.''', Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.<br /> Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> I agree!<br /> <br /> ::So, there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &lt;b&gt;8 smaller&lt;/b&gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::I'd say so. Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ----<br /> ::::{{quote|Phisho, 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST) |So, '''there hasn't been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus''' that 8 smaller pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option?}}<br /> ::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I'd say so.}}<br /> <br /> ::::'''Discussion participants (8):'''<br /> ::::*Zoey<br /> ::::*Phisho<br /> ::::*Jonpro<br /> ::::*Milowent<br /> ::::*LimePenguin<br /> ::::*KindredPhantom<br /> ::::*Bobby G<br /> ::::*FH14<br /> <br /> ::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about '''ten different posters''' on this discussion page, that '''just not a good consensus'''. [...] And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the '''lack of discussion here''' (myself included) '''just shows such a consensus isn't there''' and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}<br /> ::::(emphasis added)<br /> ----<br /> ::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we'll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}<br /> <br /> ::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we'll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}<br /> ::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either &quot;blind or illiterate&quot; because of that.}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ::::'''Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.'''<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &quot;I agree!&quot; that you failed to mention.<br /> <br /> ::::::While we're on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we're doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.<br /> ::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)<br /> :::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn't until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::Unsurprisingly, that is a '''lie'''. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.<br /> ::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &quot;good consensus&quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what's being discussed, it's a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. '''Either 10 people ''can'' form a &quot;good consensus&quot; on LGPedia, or not.''' Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was ''entirely'' about the character row. So even ''if'' these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the ''same thing''.<br /> <br /> ::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &quot;good consensus&quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, ''even less visible than before'', for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it's all good.<br /> ::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It's happening. Right here. Right now.<br /> <br /> ::::This discussion '''proves''' that I acted exactly as the administration did ''and does to this very day''.<br /> ::::'''Renounce''' the ''still'' unproven allegations against me. '''Admit''' that the ban against me was unnecessary. '''Clear my name.'''<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::::&lt;small&gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &quot;only&quot; one is a sign that I had ''more'' support.&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> :::::It's not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don't have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.<br /> <br /> :::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users' actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::::How is it not true?<br /> ::::::'''The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &quot;good consensus&quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.'''<br /> ::::::'''The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.'''<br /> ::::::Fact is, I behaved ''exactly'' as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.<br /> ::::::In fact, you're saying it quite well: &quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what ''the administration'' already decided anyway.<br /> ::::::You're trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn't understand the concept of the series ''ending'' on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.<br /> ::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn't by the administration, there was retaliation.<br /> <br /> ::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?<br /> <br /> ::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew's great skill of &quot;cropping this shit until it fits&quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. <br /> ::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.<br /> ::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip's coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where's the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?<br /> <br /> ::::::Then again, it doesn't surprise me - I've seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It's like slashing a car's tires and assuming it'll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.<br /> ::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It's as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.<br /> <br /> ::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor ''all'' character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go ''under'' the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.<br /> ::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!<br /> :::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion '''because we have a deadline'''. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &quot;1,111+&quot; members don't voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. <br /> <br /> :::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn't quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.<br /> ::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they'll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get to Spencer's page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.<br /> <br /> ::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?<br /> ::::::::Then how come you haven't decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?<br /> ::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?<br /> ::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?<br /> <br /> ::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it ''right now''.<br /> ::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with ''actual'' deadlines.<br /> <br /> ::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don't like the answer, tough luck. I don't care enough to fix your problems for you.<br /> <br /> ::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration's bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &quot;major&quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.<br /> ::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?<br /> ::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.<br /> ::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.<br /> ::::::::...eight small pictures of ''whom''?<br /> ::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.<br /> ::::::::So. Let's say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn't revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode<br /> ::::::::...who will be in those spots?<br /> ::::::::...based on whose decision?<br /> <br /> ::::::::You are telling me ''in bold'' that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15's left column will be one box longer<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor's Jumper adventures<br /> ::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week<br /> ::::::::And that's just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. <br /> ::::::::All you have is &quot;8 small&quot;. You have managed to follow the administration's lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.<br /> <br /> ::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)<br /> <br /> ::::::::You wanna play &quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&quot;? Then you better get to work. 'cause you have three days to create an entire site!<br /> ::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only ''decided upon'' 8 small icons. You haven't actually ''implemented'' it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.<br /> ::::::::You don't have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have ''nothing'' that meets the deadline of doom.<br /> <br /> ::::::::And you don't seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it's soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more ''work'' here.<br /> <br /> ::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.<br /> :::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Don't tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There's no room for personal attacks here. I'm not trying to fight you, so there's no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I'm concerned with the character row. If there's another discussion somewhere, I'll contribute to that too, but right now, I'm focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&quot;Who's going to be in it?&quot; Well...<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina's blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}<br /> <br /> :::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}<br /> <br /> :::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven't already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::So wait...you're trying to convince me that it's rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You're trying to pretend it's already settled, then ask people for more opinions?<br /> ::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.<br /> ::::::::::Either you're done, or you're not done. If you're not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you're not done. If you're done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don't have time to discuss this - you're on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)<br /> ::::::::::You can't pretend I'm wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.<br /> ::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have ''not'' made a final decision yet.<br /> <br /> ::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you'll miss this one - at least assuming you don't decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.<br /> :::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that's best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what's been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I'm ''sure'' you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, I think that's exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I ''did'' miss you, even though I don't know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)<br /> <br /> <br /> Well, shouldn't someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don't care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven't discussed what pictures to use and we don't even have an example of what it will look like. I'd make one but don't know how and probably don't have time. And Ren, if you'd have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you'd been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &quot;clear your name&quot;. Why don't you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Perhaps because the two aren't equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Murder?! Somebody's being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it's otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we'll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> :Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren't contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there's absolutely no reason why we wouldn't make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;looks at the portal*&lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;looks at previous statements*&lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;nowiki&gt;*&lt;/nowiki&gt;looks at the date*&lt;br&gt;<br /> Guess we're all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Forum Link==<br /> Now that it's removed from the side bar, shouldn't there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Spencer&diff=139342 2008-08-03T13:19:51Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Person <br /> | name = Spencer<br /> | image = Spencer2.jpg<br /> | age = 22<br /> | birthday = <br /> | youtube = LAlabrat<br /> | revver = <br /> | myspace = la_labrat<br /> | forum-posts = LAlabrat<br /> | email = sgilman@neutrogena.com<br /> | actor = [[Maxwell Glick]]<br /> | first = [[What Up Blogosphere!]]<br /> | last = [[In My Sights]]<br /> | color = limegreen<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> '''Spencer Gilman''' is [[Isaac Gilman]]'s son. Spencer shares [[Bree]]'s love of science, prompting his father to suggest that he mentor Bree. He also enjoys tennis, chess, music, and video blogging.<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> Spencer works for [[Neutrogena]] and was recognized as the Employee of the Month in July of 2007 [http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp]. He is a Research Scientist who has been with the company for three years. He received his B.S. in Biochemistry from UCSD in a record three years, graduating in 2004. His area of study was ribozymes with a special focus on autocatalysis. <br /> <br /> ===A Call For Help===<br /> [[Image:0222-SpencerExtremeCloseup.JPG|thumb|left|Spencer struggles with his webcam.]]<br /> Through investigative work and help from members of the [[forum]]s, [[Taylor]], [[Daniel]] and [[Jonas]] were able to track down Spencer's [[MySpace]] and e-mail accounts and urged fans to contact him. They hoped that Spencer would have information about the serum his father, [[Isaac Gilman]], was making to help make [[Bree]] &quot;Trait Negative.&quot;<br /> <br /> When confronted, however, [[What Up Blogosphere!|Spencer replied]], ''&quot;although I'm a scientist like him, I have no idea what compound you guys are talking about. So . . . Everyone. Stop. Trying. To. Contact. Me. I've spent the last several months of my life mourning over the loss of my father. All these questions you guys are asking bring up some sad memories of him.&quot;''<br /> <br /> Nevertheless, community members along with Jonas and [[Nikki Bower]] continue to sent him messages asking for help. After Daniel and [[Sarah]] [[All Wet|discovered]] the papers of Spencer's father in a Resistance time capsule, Spencer participates in an online chat ans reads a letter from his father. As a result, he became more sympathetic to the [[TAAG]]'s cause, [[I'm Here To Help|saying]] ''&quot;I know I said I didn't want to get involved in all this stuff, but after reading my Dad's papers, I kind of feel like it's the right thing to do. My Dad would want me to help . . .&quot;''<br /> <br /> ===The Trait-Negative Serum===<br /> [[Image:0230-SpencerAndTaylor.jpg|thumb|right|Spencer and Taylor bond.]]<br /> Once Spencer agrees to help, TAAG go to the Neutrogena building and wait in the parking lot, making Taylor wonder if they'll make him mad for intruding on his work. When he finally leaves the building, Jonas and Sarah accost him, Jonas trying to explain what is going on and Sarah injecting her own comments in, annoying Jonas. Spencer tells TAAG they have to move their car out of the private lot otherwise he'll get in trouble. Afterwards, Spencer and Taylor [[The Bree Solution|bond]] over a plate of cheese and crackers, and deduce that there is a formula for a trait-negative serum somewhere in Isaac Gilman's notes, but they were unable to read it as Sarah accidentally got the documents wet when she was retrieving them. <br /> <br /> With the help of members of the forum, TAAG discovers that they can create the serum using trait-positive blood. With the help of a [[Alex|mole]] from inside the Hymn of One, they are able to locate where it is being stored, and Spencer proceeds to train TAAG on how to perform their designated tasks in the break-in. The [[Mission Possible|operation]] goes off without a hitch, and they retrieve the blood. Spencer borrows a lab from his friend [[Ira Cronenberg]], and he and Taylor [[The Serum|get to work]] and make two vials of the serum. Soon After, a Shadow [[They Broke In!!!|breaks into the lab]] and ruins the research, though he is unable to destroy the serum after Spencer locks it in a metal cabinet. <br /> <br /> On the day of Bree's ceremony, Spencer lags behind in getting ready, causing the rising tensions between Sarah and Jonas to [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|come to a boil]]. After they are [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|found]] by [[Bree's Watcher]], TAAG takes part in a high-speed chase that ultimately results in a [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 – 10 am|car accident]]. The accident smashes the serum, though Spencer [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|still has]] the backup stored at his friend's lab. Sarah goes back to get it, and the others [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 - 2 pm|head to]] the airplane hanger that [[Beth|Deep Throat]] said The Ceremony would be in. Spencer figures out that playing a certain sequence of musical notes will open the entrance, and programs the keys into his cell phone.<br /> <br /> ===Trial and Error===<br /> Spencer doesn't have much involvement in Bree's rescue beyond this point, and [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|watches alongside]] Taylor and Sarah and Bree dies. Spencer is the one holding the camera in [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|the final video]] where Jonas plays a voicemail from Bree telling him she loves him. After Bree's death, Spencer spends the weekend moping around the house, and decides to go back to work in order to regain structure in his life. He posts [[The Unsolvable Formula|a blog]] telling community members to go easier on Taylor, who had come under fire for [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|expressing her desire]] for Bree to die so that Jonas would pay attention to her, and cites that she was only sixteen and still had some growing up to do. He also reveals that he wanted to save Bree so badly because she was the one thing in his life that he couldn't find a scientific answer to. <br /> <br /> [[Image:0264-SpencerInZavala.jpg|thumb|left|Spencer says farewell.]]<br /> Spencer begins [[Back to Work|to miss]] Sarah and Taylor, and decides to visit them in Texas one last time bore going off to work. Spencer has a fun day hanging out with Taylor and bugging Sarah, but is informed by a video message from Taylor on his camera that he has to move on and can't try to live in the past. Spencer takes her advice and heads back to Los Angeles for work, bidding a fond farewell to the blogosphere, and reminds everyone of where he'll be if they want to go on another adventure.<br /> <br /> Shortly after Spencer returned to work, Neutrogena sent him to Switzerland for a conference. Spencer begins [[Sister to Sister|texting]] Taylor from Switzerland, often leaving messages that are regarding swiss chocolate. After returning from the conference, he was [[Trait Negative|contacted]] by a girl named [[Charlie]] from the United Kingdom who was trying to find a way to make her friend [[Kate]] trait negative. Spencer tells her about the serum, and sends the remaining vial to her, which she [[Genevieve|successfully uses]] on Kate a few days later.<br /> <br /> ===Prodigal Return===<br /> [[Image:Spencer&amp;jennie.png|thumb|right|Spencer meets Jennie.]]<br /> Spencer's help is next enlisted by Daniel, Taylor, and [[Jennie]] in their [[The Ascension|mission]] to resuce Jonas from the S.S Hathor's Song. Spencer [[12:00 PM|helps]] Taylor sneak onto a [[2:00 PM|supply boat]] heading to the ship. Once, on board, Taylor and Spencer [[3:00 PM|reunite]] with Jennie and Daniel. They are, however, immediately fired upon by the ship's Order-based crew. The four escape off the ship and [[5:00 PM|wash up]] on a Mexican beach, but Spencer is severly injured by the gunfire and is bleeding profusely, especially from his stomach. The four of them wait on the beach until [[7:00 PM|Jonas and Sarah arrive]]. Taylor and Jennie assist Spencer off the beach to bring him to a hospital, and the fate of Spencer remains [[In My Sights|unknown]]. <br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> *Spencer comes from a Anglo-Norman surname meaning &quot;Dispenser of Provisions.&quot;<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> *[[Theories About Characters#Spencer Gilman|Theories about Spencer Gilman]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *{{forum|11799|Taylor asks us to e-mail Spencer}}<br /> *[http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp Spencer as Employee of the Month]<br /> *[http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman Petition to bring Spencer back]<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Spencer&diff=139341 2008-08-03T13:19:25Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Person <br /> | name = Spencer<br /> | image = Spencer2.jpg<br /> | age = 22<br /> | birthday = <br /> | youtube = LAlabrat<br /> | revver = <br /> | myspace = la_labrat<br /> | forum-posts = LAlabrat<br /> | email = sgilman@neutrogena.com<br /> | actor = [[Maxwell Glick]]<br /> | first = [[What Up Blogosphere!]]<br /> | last = [[In My Sights]]<br /> | color = limegreen<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''Spencer Gilman''' is [[Isaac Gilman]]'s son. Spencer shares [[Bree]]'s love of science, prompting his father to suggest that he mentor Bree. He also enjoys tennis, chess, music, and video blogging.<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> Spencer works for [[Neutrogena]] and was recognized as the Employee of the Month in July of 2007 [http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp]. He is a Research Scientist who has been with the company for three years. He received his B.S. in Biochemistry from UCSD in a record three years, graduating in 2004. His area of study was ribozymes with a special focus on autocatalysis. <br /> <br /> ===A Call For Help===<br /> [[Image:0222-SpencerExtremeCloseup.JPG|thumb|left|Spencer struggles with his webcam.]]<br /> Through investigative work and help from members of the [[forum]]s, [[Taylor]], [[Daniel]] and [[Jonas]] were able to track down Spencer's [[MySpace]] and e-mail accounts and urged fans to contact him. They hoped that Spencer would have information about the serum his father, [[Isaac Gilman]], was making to help make [[Bree]] &quot;Trait Negative.&quot;<br /> <br /> When confronted, however, [[What Up Blogosphere!|Spencer replied]], ''&quot;although I'm a scientist like him, I have no idea what compound you guys are talking about. So . . . Everyone. Stop. Trying. To. Contact. Me. I've spent the last several months of my life mourning over the loss of my father. All these questions you guys are asking bring up some sad memories of him.&quot;''<br /> <br /> Nevertheless, community members along with Jonas and [[Nikki Bower]] continue to sent him messages asking for help. After Daniel and [[Sarah]] [[All Wet|discovered]] the papers of Spencer's father in a Resistance time capsule, Spencer participates in an online chat ans reads a letter from his father. As a result, he became more sympathetic to the [[TAAG]]'s cause, [[I'm Here To Help|saying]] ''&quot;I know I said I didn't want to get involved in all this stuff, but after reading my Dad's papers, I kind of feel like it's the right thing to do. My Dad would want me to help . . .&quot;''<br /> <br /> ===The Trait-Negative Serum===<br /> [[Image:0230-SpencerAndTaylor.jpg|thumb|right|Spencer and Taylor bond.]]<br /> Once Spencer agrees to help, TAAG go to the Neutrogena building and wait in the parking lot, making Taylor wonder if they'll make him mad for intruding on his work. When he finally leaves the building, Jonas and Sarah accost him, Jonas trying to explain what is going on and Sarah injecting her own comments in, annoying Jonas. Spencer tells TAAG they have to move their car out of the private lot otherwise he'll get in trouble. Afterwards, Spencer and Taylor [[The Bree Solution|bond]] over a plate of cheese and crackers, and deduce that there is a formula for a trait-negative serum somewhere in Isaac Gilman's notes, but they were unable to read it as Sarah accidentally got the documents wet when she was retrieving them. <br /> <br /> With the help of members of the forum, TAAG discovers that they can create the serum using trait-positive blood. With the help of a [[Alex|mole]] from inside the Hymn of One, they are able to locate where it is being stored, and Spencer proceeds to train TAAG on how to perform their designated tasks in the break-in. The [[Mission Possible|operation]] goes off without a hitch, and they retrieve the blood. Spencer borrows a lab from his friend [[Ira Cronenberg]], and he and Taylor [[The Serum|get to work]] and make two vials of the serum. Soon After, a Shadow [[They Broke In!!!|breaks into the lab]] and ruins the research, though he is unable to destroy the serum after Spencer locks it in a metal cabinet. <br /> <br /> On the day of Bree's ceremony, Spencer lags behind in getting ready, causing the rising tensions between Sarah and Jonas to [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|come to a boil]]. After they are [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|found]] by [[Bree's Watcher]], TAAG takes part in a high-speed chase that ultimately results in a [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 – 10 am|car accident]]. The accident smashes the serum, though Spencer [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|still has]] the backup stored at his friend's lab. Sarah goes back to get it, and the others [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 - 2 pm|head to]] the airplane hanger that [[Beth|Deep Throat]] said The Ceremony would be in. Spencer figures out that playing a certain sequence of musical notes will open the entrance, and programs the keys into his cell phone.<br /> <br /> ===Trial and Error===<br /> Spencer doesn't have much involvement in Bree's rescue beyond this point, and [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|watches alongside]] Taylor and Sarah and Bree dies. Spencer is the one holding the camera in [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|the final video]] where Jonas plays a voicemail from Bree telling him she loves him. After Bree's death, Spencer spends the weekend moping around the house, and decides to go back to work in order to regain structure in his life. He posts [[The Unsolvable Formula|a blog]] telling community members to go easier on Taylor, who had come under fire for [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|expressing her desire]] for Bree to die so that Jonas would pay attention to her, and cites that she was only sixteen and still had some growing up to do. He also reveals that he wanted to save Bree so badly because she was the one thing in his life that he couldn't find a scientific answer to. <br /> <br /> [[Image:0264-SpencerInZavala.jpg|thumb|left|Spencer says farewell.]]<br /> Spencer begins [[Back to Work|to miss]] Sarah and Taylor, and decides to visit them in Texas one last time bore going off to work. Spencer has a fun day hanging out with Taylor and bugging Sarah, but is informed by a video message from Taylor on his camera that he has to move on and can't try to live in the past. Spencer takes her advice and heads back to Los Angeles for work, bidding a fond farewell to the blogosphere, and reminds everyone of where he'll be if they want to go on another adventure.<br /> <br /> Shortly after Spencer returned to work, Neutrogena sent him to Switzerland for a conference. Spencer begins [[Sister to Sister|texting]] Taylor from Switzerland, often leaving messages that are regarding swiss chocolate. After returning from the conference, he was [[Trait Negative|contacted]] by a girl named [[Charlie]] from the United Kingdom who was trying to find a way to make her friend [[Kate]] trait negative. Spencer tells her about the serum, and sends the remaining vial to her, which she [[Genevieve|successfully uses]] on Kate a few days later.<br /> <br /> ===Prodigal Return===<br /> [[Image:Spencer&amp;jennie.png|thumb|right|Spencer meets Jennie.]]<br /> Spencer's help is next enlisted by Daniel, Taylor, and [[Jennie]] in their [[The Ascension|mission]] to resuce Jonas from the S.S Hathor's Song. Spencer [[12:00 PM|helps]] Taylor sneak onto a [[2:00 PM|supply boat]] heading to the ship. Once, on board, Taylor and Spencer [[3:00 PM|reunite]] with Jennie and Daniel. They are, however, immediately fired upon by the ship's Order-based crew. The four escape off the ship and [[5:00 PM|wash up]] on a Mexican beach, but Spencer is severly injured by the gunfire and is bleeding profusely, especially from his stomach. The four of them wait on the beach until [[7:00 PM|Jonas and Sarah arrive]]. Taylor and Jennie assist Spencer off the beach to bring him to a hospital, and the fate of Spencer remains [[In My Sights|unknown]]. <br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> *Spencer comes from a Anglo-Norman surname meaning &quot;Dispenser of Provisions.&quot;<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> *[[Theories About Characters#Spencer Gilman|Theories about Spencer Gilman]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *{{forum|11799|Taylor asks us to e-mail Spencer}}<br /> *[http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp Spencer as Employee of the Month]<br /> *[http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman Petition to bring Spencer back]<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Spencer&diff=139340 2008-08-03T13:19:14Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{update}}<br /> {{Person <br /> | name = Spencer<br /> | image = Spencer2.jpg<br /> | age = 22<br /> | birthday = <br /> | youtube = LAlabrat<br /> | revver = <br /> | myspace = la_labrat<br /> | forum-posts = LAlabrat<br /> | email = sgilman@neutrogena.com<br /> | actor = [[Maxwell Glick]]<br /> | first = [[What Up Blogosphere!]]<br /> | last = [[In My Sights]]<br /> | color = limegreen<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''Spencer Gilman''' is [[Isaac Gilman]]'s son. Spencer shares [[Bree]]'s love of science, prompting his father to suggest that he mentor Bree. He also enjoys tennis, chess, music, and video blogging.<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> Spencer works for [[Neutrogena]] and was recognized as the Employee of the Month in July of 2007 [http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp]. He is a Research Scientist who has been with the company for three years. He received his B.S. in Biochemistry from UCSD in a record three years, graduating in 2004. His area of study was ribozymes with a special focus on autocatalysis. <br /> <br /> ===A Call For Help===<br /> [[Image:0222-SpencerExtremeCloseup.JPG|thumb|left|Spencer struggles with his webcam.]]<br /> Through investigative work and help from members of the [[forum]]s, [[Taylor]], [[Daniel]] and [[Jonas]] were able to track down Spencer's [[MySpace]] and e-mail accounts and urged fans to contact him. They hoped that Spencer would have information about the serum his father, [[Isaac Gilman]], was making to help make [[Bree]] &quot;Trait Negative.&quot;<br /> <br /> When confronted, however, [[What Up Blogosphere!|Spencer replied]], ''&quot;although I'm a scientist like him, I have no idea what compound you guys are talking about. So . . . Everyone. Stop. Trying. To. Contact. Me. I've spent the last several months of my life mourning over the loss of my father. All these questions you guys are asking bring up some sad memories of him.&quot;''<br /> <br /> Nevertheless, community members along with Jonas and [[Nikki Bower]] continue to sent him messages asking for help. After Daniel and [[Sarah]] [[All Wet|discovered]] the papers of Spencer's father in a Resistance time capsule, Spencer participates in an online chat ans reads a letter from his father. As a result, he became more sympathetic to the [[TAAG]]'s cause, [[I'm Here To Help|saying]] ''&quot;I know I said I didn't want to get involved in all this stuff, but after reading my Dad's papers, I kind of feel like it's the right thing to do. My Dad would want me to help . . .&quot;''<br /> <br /> ===The Trait-Negative Serum===<br /> [[Image:0230-SpencerAndTaylor.jpg|thumb|right|Spencer and Taylor bond.]]<br /> Once Spencer agrees to help, TAAG go to the Neutrogena building and wait in the parking lot, making Taylor wonder if they'll make him mad for intruding on his work. When he finally leaves the building, Jonas and Sarah accost him, Jonas trying to explain what is going on and Sarah injecting her own comments in, annoying Jonas. Spencer tells TAAG they have to move their car out of the private lot otherwise he'll get in trouble. Afterwards, Spencer and Taylor [[The Bree Solution|bond]] over a plate of cheese and crackers, and deduce that there is a formula for a trait-negative serum somewhere in Isaac Gilman's notes, but they were unable to read it as Sarah accidentally got the documents wet when she was retrieving them. <br /> <br /> With the help of members of the forum, TAAG discovers that they can create the serum using trait-positive blood. With the help of a [[Alex|mole]] from inside the Hymn of One, they are able to locate where it is being stored, and Spencer proceeds to train TAAG on how to perform their designated tasks in the break-in. The [[Mission Possible|operation]] goes off without a hitch, and they retrieve the blood. Spencer borrows a lab from his friend [[Ira Cronenberg]], and he and Taylor [[The Serum|get to work]] and make two vials of the serum. Soon After, a Shadow [[They Broke In!!!|breaks into the lab]] and ruins the research, though he is unable to destroy the serum after Spencer locks it in a metal cabinet. <br /> <br /> On the day of Bree's ceremony, Spencer lags behind in getting ready, causing the rising tensions between Sarah and Jonas to [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|come to a boil]]. After they are [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|found]] by [[Bree's Watcher]], TAAG takes part in a high-speed chase that ultimately results in a [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 – 10 am|car accident]]. The accident smashes the serum, though Spencer [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|still has]] the backup stored at his friend's lab. Sarah goes back to get it, and the others [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 - 2 pm|head to]] the airplane hanger that [[Beth|Deep Throat]] said The Ceremony would be in. Spencer figures out that playing a certain sequence of musical notes will open the entrance, and programs the keys into his cell phone.<br /> <br /> ===Trial and Error===<br /> Spencer doesn't have much involvement in Bree's rescue beyond this point, and [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|watches alongside]] Taylor and Sarah and Bree dies. Spencer is the one holding the camera in [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|the final video]] where Jonas plays a voicemail from Bree telling him she loves him. After Bree's death, Spencer spends the weekend moping around the house, and decides to go back to work in order to regain structure in his life. He posts [[The Unsolvable Formula|a blog]] telling community members to go easier on Taylor, who had come under fire for [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|expressing her desire]] for Bree to die so that Jonas would pay attention to her, and cites that she was only sixteen and still had some growing up to do. He also reveals that he wanted to save Bree so badly because she was the one thing in his life that he couldn't find a scientific answer to. <br /> <br /> [[Image:0264-SpencerInZavala.jpg|thumb|left|Spencer says farewell.]]<br /> Spencer begins [[Back to Work|to miss]] Sarah and Taylor, and decides to visit them in Texas one last time bore going off to work. Spencer has a fun day hanging out with Taylor and bugging Sarah, but is informed by a video message from Taylor on his camera that he has to move on and can't try to live in the past. Spencer takes her advice and heads back to Los Angeles for work, bidding a fond farewell to the blogosphere, and reminds everyone of where he'll be if they want to go on another adventure.<br /> <br /> Shortly after Spencer returned to work, Neutrogena sent him to Switzerland for a conference. Spencer begins [[Sister to Sister|texting]] Taylor from Switzerland, often leaving messages that are regarding swiss chocolate. After returning from the conference, he was [[Trait Negative|contacted]] by a girl named [[Charlie]] from the United Kingdom who was trying to find a way to make her friend [[Kate]] trait negative. Spencer tells her about the serum, and sends the remaining vial to her, which she [[Genevieve|successfully uses]] on Kate a few days later.<br /> <br /> ===Prodigal Return===<br /> [[Image:Spencer&amp;jennie.png|thumb|right|Spencer meets Jennie.]]<br /> Spencer's help is next enlisted by Daniel, Taylor, and [[Jennie]] in their [[The Ascension|mission]] to resuce Jonas from the S.S Hathor's Song. Spencer [[12:00 PM|helps]] Taylor sneak onto a [[2:00 PM|supply boat]] heading to the ship. Once, on board, Taylor and Spencer [[3:00 PM|reunite]] with Jennie and Daniel. They are, however, immediately fired upon by the ship's Order-based crew. The four escape off the ship and [[5:00 PM|wash up]] on a Mexican beach, but Spencer is severly injured by the gunfire and is bleeding profusely, especially from his stomach. The four of them wait on the beach until [[7:00 PM|Jonas and Sarah arrive]]. Taylor and Jennie assist Spencer off the beach to bring him to a hospital, and the fate of Spencer remains [[In My Sights|unknown]]. <br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> *Spencer comes from a Anglo-Norman surname meaning &quot;Dispenser of Provisions.&quot;<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> *[[Theories About Characters#Spencer Gilman|Theories about Spencer Gilman]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *{{forum|11799|Taylor asks us to e-mail Spencer}}<br /> *[http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp Spencer as Employee of the Month]<br /> *[http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman Petition to bring Spencer back]<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Spencer&diff=139339 2008-08-03T13:18:24Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{update}}<br /> {{Person <br /> | name = Spencer<br /> | image = Spencer2.jpg<br /> | age = 22<br /> | birthday = <br /> | youtube = LAlabrat<br /> | revver = <br /> | myspace = la_labrat<br /> | forum-posts = LAlabrat<br /> | email = sgilman@neutrogena.com<br /> | actor = [[Maxwell Glick]]<br /> | first = [[What Up Blogosphere!]]<br /> | last = [[In My Sights]]<br /> | color = limegreen<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''Spencer Gilman''' is [[Isaac Gilman]]'s son. Spencer shares [[Bree]]'s love of science, prompting his father to suggest that he mentor Bree. He also enjoys tennis, chess, music, and video blogging.<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> Spencer works for [[Neutrogena]] and was recognized as the Employee of the Month in July of 2007 [http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp]. He is a Research Scientist who has been with the company for three years. He received his B.S. in Biochemistry from UCSD in a record three years, graduating in 2004. His area of study was ribozymes with a special focus on autocatalysis. <br /> <br /> ===A Call For Help===<br /> [[Image:0222-SpencerExtremeCloseup.JPG|thumb|left|Spencer struggles with his webcam.]]<br /> Through investigative work and help from members of the [[forum]]s, [[Taylor]], [[Daniel]] and [[Jonas]] were able to track down Spencer's [[MySpace]] and e-mail accounts and urged fans to contact him. They hoped that Spencer would have information about the serum his father, [[Isaac Gilman]], was making to help make [[Bree]] &quot;Trait Negative.&quot;<br /> <br /> When confronted, however, [[What Up Blogosphere!|Spencer replied]], ''&quot;although I'm a scientist like him, I have no idea what compound you guys are talking about. So . . . Everyone. Stop. Trying. To. Contact. Me. I've spent the last several months of my life mourning over the loss of my father. All these questions you guys are asking bring up some sad memories of him.&quot;''<br /> <br /> Nevertheless, community members along with Jonas and [[Nikki Bower]] continue to sent him messages asking for help. After Daniel and [[Sarah]] [[All Wet|discovered]] the papers of Spencer's father in a Resistance time capsule, Spencer participates in an online chat ans reads a letter from his father. As a result, he became more sympathetic to the [[TAAG]]'s cause, [[I'm Here To Help|saying]] ''&quot;I know I said I didn't want to get involved in all this stuff, but after reading my Dad's papers, I kind of feel like it's the right thing to do. My Dad would want me to help . . .&quot;''<br /> <br /> ===The Trait-Negative Serum===<br /> [[Image:0230-SpencerAndTaylor.jpg|thumb|right|Spencer and Taylor bond.]]<br /> Once Spencer agrees to help, TAAG go to the Neutrogena building and wait in the parking lot, making Taylor wonder if they'll make him mad for intruding on his work. When he finally leaves the building, Jonas and Sarah accost him, Jonas trying to explain what is going on and Sarah injecting her own comments in, annoying Jonas. Spencer tells TAAG they have to move their car out of the private lot otherwise he'll get in trouble. Afterwards, Spencer and Taylor [[The Bree Solution|bond]] over a plate of cheese and crackers, and deduce that there is a formula for a trait-negative serum somewhere in Isaac Gilman's notes, but they were unable to read it as Sarah accidentally got the documents wet when she was retrieving them. <br /> <br /> With the help of members of the forum, TAAG discovers that they can create the serum using trait-positive blood. With the help of a [[Alex|mole]] from inside the Hymn of One, they are able to locate where it is being stored, and Spencer proceeds to train TAAG on how to perform their designated tasks in the break-in. The [[Mission Possible|operation]] goes off without a hitch, and they retrieve the blood. Spencer borrows a lab from his friend [[Ira Cronenberg]], and he and Taylor [[The Serum|get to work]] and make two vials of the serum. Soon After, a Shadow [[They Broke In!!!|breaks into the lab]] and ruins the research, though he is unable to destroy the serum after Spencer locks it in a metal cabinet. <br /> <br /> On the day of Bree's ceremony, Spencer lags behind in getting ready, causing the rising tensions between Sarah and Jonas to [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|come to a boil]]. After they are [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|found]] by [[Bree's Watcher]], TAAG takes part in a high-speed chase that ultimately results in a [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 – 10 am|car accident]]. The accident smashes the serum, though Spencer [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|still has]] the backup stored at his friend's lab. Sarah goes back to get it, and the others [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 - 2 pm|head to]] the airplane hanger that [[Beth|Deep Throat]] said The Ceremony would be in. Spencer figures out that playing a certain sequence of musical notes will open the entrance, and programs the keys into his cell phone.<br /> <br /> ===Trial and Error===<br /> Spencer doesn't have much involvement in Bree's rescue beyond this point, and [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|watches alongside]] Taylor and Sarah and Bree dies. Spencer is the one holding the camera in [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|the final video]] where Jonas plays a voicemail from Bree telling him she loves him. After Bree's death, Spencer spends the weekend moping around the house, and decides to go back to work in order to regain structure in his life. He posts [[The Unsolvable Formula|a blog]] telling community members to go easier on Taylor, who had come under fire for [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|expressing her desire]] for Bree to die so that Jonas would pay attention to her, and cites that she was only sixteen and still had some growing up to do. He also reveals that he wanted to save Bree so badly because she was the one thing in his life that he couldn't find a scientific answer to. <br /> <br /> [[Image:0264-SpencerInZavala.jpg|thumb|left|Spencer says farewell.]]<br /> Spencer begins [[Back to Work|to miss]] Sarah and Taylor, and decides to visit them in Texas one last time bore going off to work. Spencer has a fun day hanging out with Taylor and bugging Sarah, but is informed by a video message from Taylor on his camera that he has to move on and can't try to live in the past. Spencer takes her advice and heads back to Los Angeles for work, bidding a fond farewell to the blogosphere, and reminds everyone of where he'll be if they want to go on another adventure.<br /> <br /> Shortly after Spencer returned to work, Neutrogena sent him to Switzerland for a conference. Spencer begins [[Sister to Sister|texting]] Taylor from Switzerland, often leaving messages that are regarding swiss chocolate. After returning from the conference, he was [[Trait Negative|contacted]] by a girl named [[Charlie]] from the United Kingdom who was trying to find a way to make her friend [[Kate]] trait negative. Spencer tells her about the serum, and sends the remaining vial to her, which she [[Genevieve|successfully uses]] on Kate a few days later.<br /> <br /> ===Prodigal Return===<br /> [[Image:Spencer&amp;jennie.png|thumb|right|Spencer meets Jennie.]]<br /> Spencer's help is next enlisted by Daniel, Taylor, and [[Jennie]] in their [[The Ascension|mission]] to resuce Jonas from the S.S Hathor's Song. Spencer [[12:00 PM|helps]] Taylor sneak onto a [[2:00 PM|Supply boat]] heading to the ship. Once, on board, Taylor and Spencer [[3:00 PM|reunite]] with Jennie and Daniel. They are, however, immediately fired upon by the ship's Order-based crew. The four escape off the ship and [[5:00 PM|wash up]] on a Mexican beach, but Spencer is severly injured by the gunfire and is bleeding profusely, especially from his stomach. The four of them wait on the beach until [[7:00 PM|Jonas and Sarah arrive]]. Taylor and Jennie assist Spencer off the beach to bring him to a hospital, and the fate of Spencer remains [[In My Sights|unknown]]. <br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> *Spencer comes from a Anglo-Norman surname meaning &quot;Dispenser of Provisions.&quot;<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> *[[Theories About Characters#Spencer Gilman|Theories about Spencer Gilman]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *{{forum|11799|Taylor asks us to e-mail Spencer}}<br /> *[http://www.neutrogena.com/spencer.asp Spencer as Employee of the Month]<br /> *[http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman Petition to bring Spencer back]<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=File:Spencer%26jennie.png&diff=139338 2008-08-03T13:17:18Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Category:Images of Spencer]]<br /> [[Category:Images of Jennie]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=File:Spencer%26jennie.png&diff=139337 2008-08-03T13:16:24Z

<p>TraverseTown: Spencer meets Jennie...</p> <hr /> <div>Spencer meets Jennie...</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=139336 2008-08-03T12:16:08Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jonas]]<br /> *[[Sarah]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Spencer]]<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]]<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Alex]] <br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=7:00_PM&diff=139312 2008-08-02T21:30:14Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 546<br /> | image = 0546-DanielLeaves.JPG<br /> | caption = The End. Nothing more, nothing less.<br /> | blogger = Sarah<br /> | date = 20080801<br /> | url = {{lg15|672}}<br /> | forumid = 18303<br /> | length = 2:38<br /> | description = This is goodbye.<br /> | location = [[Beaches|Mexico]]<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|eclipse}} <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = <br /> <br /> | cast = <br /> {{VidChar|Daniel}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jennie}}<br /> {{VidChar|Spencer}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jonas}}<br /> {{VidChar|Sarah}}<br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = 6:00 PM<br /> | Next = In My Sights<br /> | NextB =<br /> }}<br /> It is part thirteen of [[The Ascension]], the lonelygirl15 series finale.<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> ''(The camera shows a shot of birds flying in formation over the ocean. Taylor, with the camera, turns to Daniel, who is staring at the ocean. Daniel looks at Taylor like he is about to say something, but walks away. Taylor turns the camera to Jennie and Spencer, both wrapped in blankets, and Spencer looking weakened.)''<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' You guys, maybe we should just go.<br /> <br /> ''(Jennie and Spencer are silent. Daniel is seen walking behind them. Jennie looks over her shoulder than looks down again, but does a double-take and she opens her eyes wide in excitement.)''<br /> <br /> (TRANSCRIPT UNFINISHED)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=7:00_PM&diff=139311 2008-08-02T21:28:15Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 546<br /> | image = 0546-DanielLeaves.JPG<br /> | caption = The End. Nothing more, nothing less.<br /> | blogger = Sarah<br /> | date = 20080801<br /> | url = {{lg15|672}}<br /> | forumid = 18303<br /> | length = 2:38<br /> | description = This is goodbye.<br /> | location = [[Beaches|Mexico]]<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|eclipse}} <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = <br /> <br /> | cast = <br /> {{VidChar|Daniel}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jennie}}<br /> {{VidChar|Spencer}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jonas}}<br /> {{VidChar|Sarah}}<br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = 6:00 PM<br /> | Next = In My Sights<br /> | NextB =<br /> }}<br /> It is part thirteen of [[The Ascension]], the lonelygirl15 series finale.<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> ''(The camera shows a shot of birds flying in formation over the ocean. Taylor, with the camera, turns to Daniel, who is staring at the ocean. Daniel looks at Taylor like he is about to say something, but walks away. Taylor turns the camera to Jennie and Spencer, both wrapped in blankets, and Spencer looking weakened.)''<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' You guys, maybe we should just go.<br /> <br /> ''(Jennie and Spencer are silent. Daniel is seen walking behind them. Jennie looks over her shoulder than looks down again, but does a double-take and she opens her eyes wide in excitement.)''<br /> <br /> ---Working on it! Don't edit! --[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 16:28, 2 August 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==Notes==</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Template:CharIndex&diff=138955 2008-08-01T23:45:47Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;center&gt;<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Lonelygirl15 Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> | &lt;big&gt;'''[[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Jennie]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> '''Current Supporting Characters:''' &lt;br&gt;[[Emma]] - [[Taylor and Sarah's parents]] - [[Lord Carruthers]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Nadia]]<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;&quot;&gt;'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> &lt;includeonly&gt;[[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]&lt;/includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;noinclude&gt;[[Category:Bottom indexes]]&lt;/noinclude&gt;</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Nadia&diff=138926 2008-08-01T23:20:02Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Person<br /> | name = Nadia Dalton<br /> | image = Ceremony Girl.JPG<br /> | first = [[11:00 AM]]<br /> | last = [[11:00 AM]]<br /> | age = <br /> | birthday =<br /> | myspace = <br /> | email = <br /> | forum-posts = <br /> | youtube = <br /> | revver = <br /> | bebo = <br /> | actor = Unknown<br /> | blogs = <br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> '''Ceremony Girl''' is the girl [[Jonas]] finds walking around the [[S.S. Hathor's Song]] in [[11:00 AM]]. She is dressed in a white robe similar to the one [[Bree]] wore for her ceremony.<br /> <br /> Many fans speculate that she is [[Lauren]]'s sister.<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=138848 2008-08-01T21:39:06Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jonas]]<br /> *[[Sarah]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Spencer]]<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=12:00_PM&diff=138816 2008-08-01T20:47:15Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 539<br /> | image = 0539-TaylorOnBeach.JPG<br /> | caption = Water?! Uh-oh!<br /> | blogger = Taylor<br /> | date = 20080801<br /> | url = {{lg15|665}}<br /> | forumid = 18288<br /> | length = 0:34<br /> | description = We're trying to get to the equipment boat but they found us!!<br /> | location = [[Beaches|Mexico]]<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|to the boat}} <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = <br /> <br /> | cast = <br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> {{VidChar|Unknown}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = 11:00 AM<br /> | Next = 1:00 PM<br /> | PreviousB = I'm Back!!!!<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> (''An unknown person holding the camera is running down a beach with Taylor.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' Come on! Hurry! ''(Stops running)'' They must have tracked my cell phone when I sent the blueprints or something.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown:''' You sent them?<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' Shut up! Like you would have thought of anything better.<br /> <br /> '''Unknown:''' Taylor, look!<br /> <br /> (''Camera turns to show a man dressed in black walking up from the beach.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' They're not following us. We gotta get on that boat. Caught your breath yet?<br /> <br /> '''Unknown:''' Uh-huh.<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' Come on! ''(Continues running down beach)'' <br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *This video is part six of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.<br /> *At the time of this video post, there was a lot of speculation over the identity of the person holding the camera.<br /> *This video takes place near [[water]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=138809 2008-08-01T19:48:55Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Sarah]]<br /> *[[Jonas]]<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> <br /> ==Inactive Members==<br /> *[[Spencer]] (At Work)<br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=12:00_PM&diff=138798 2008-08-01T19:39:47Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 539<br /> | image = 0539-TaylorOnBeach.JPG<br /> | caption = Water?! Uh-oh!<br /> | blogger = Taylor<br /> | date = 20080801<br /> | url = {{lg15|665}}<br /> | forumid = 18288<br /> | length = 0:34<br /> | description = We're trying to get to the equipment boat but they found us!!<br /> | location = [[Beaches|Mexico]]<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|sarah|taylor|jennie|grand ascension|season finale|to the boat}} <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = <br /> <br /> | cast = <br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> {{VidChar|Unknown}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = 11:00 AM<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = I'm Back!!!!<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> {{transcript incomplete}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *This video is part six of [[The Ascension]], the [[lonelygirl15]] series finale.<br /> *At the time of this video post, there was a lot of speculation over the identity of the person holding the camera.</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=138616 2008-08-01T12:14:20Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Sarah]]<br /> <br /> ==Inactive Members==<br /> *[[Spencer]] (At Work)<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Jonas]] (Captured by The Order)<br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=137980 2008-07-29T12:31:33Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> <br /> ==Inactive Members==<br /> *[[Spencer]] (At Work)<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Jonas]] (Captured by The Order)<br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> *[[Sarah]] (Betrayal) (Missing)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=137926 2008-07-29T00:38:09Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Sarah]] (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Inactive Members==<br /> *[[Spencer]] (At Work)<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Jonas]] (Captured by The Order)<br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=137925 2008-07-29T00:38:01Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Taylor]]<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Sarah]] (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Inactive Members==<br /> *[[Spencer]] (At Work)<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Jonas]] (Captured by The Order)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:TraverseTown&diff=137869 2008-07-28T00:02:16Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I am a [[Words of Wisdom|canon]] character in the LG15 universe. Suck it!</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:TraverseTown&diff=137868 2008-07-28T00:02:00Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I am a [[canon|Words of Wisdom]] character in the LG15 universe. Suck it!</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:TraverseTown&diff=137867 2008-07-28T00:01:44Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I am a [canon|Words of Wisdom] character in the LG15 universe. Suck it!</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:TraverseTown&diff=137866 2008-07-28T00:00:07Z

<p>TraverseTown: New page: Insert hilarous user page here.</p> <hr /> <div>Insert hilarous user page here.</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=TAAG&diff=137864 2008-07-27T23:35:56Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Group standing.jpg|thumb||right|285px|TAAG consisting of Daniel, Sarah, Jonas, Jennie, and Gina.]]<br /> '''TAAG''' or '''Teen Angst Adventure Gang''' is a term used to describe the main protagonists of the [[lonelygirl15]] story. The group was originally referred to as '''BDJ''' when it consisted only of Bree, Daniel, and Jonas, however, the term TAAG has replaced it since the group has expanded. It was first coined by [[Tachyon]] in a forum post.<br /> <br /> A similar fan name has been created for KateModern, but it is called the [[K-Team]]<br /> <br /> ==Active Members==<br /> *[[Daniel]]<br /> *[[Jonas]]<br /> *[[Jennie]]<br /> *[[Sarah]] (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Inactive Members==<br /> *[[Spencer]] (At Work)<br /> *[[Emma]] (At School)<br /> *[[Taylor]] (Captured by The Order)<br /> <br /> ==Former Members==<br /> *[[Bree]] (Deceased: Gave herself to the Order)<br /> *[[Mallory]] (Betrayal)<br /> *[[Gina]] (Deceased: Sacrificed herself to save Jonas)<br /> <br /> ==Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Nikki]] (Rescued TAAG in Santa Monica Warehouse and assisted in the plot to take out Salinas: Active)<br /> *[[Alex]] (Helped TAAG get a blood sample for the serum: Inactive)<br /> <br /> ==Former Unofficial Members==<br /> *[[Gemma]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Virgil]] (Deceased: Killed fighting the Order)<br /> *[[Dr. Hart]] (Deceased: presumed killed by the Order after rescuing Gina)<br /> *[[Carl]] (Betrayal) (Deceased)<br /> *[[Steve]] (Kicked out by TAAG)<br /> *[[Sonia]] (Helped with Ceremony Baby) (Betrayal)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The term &quot;Teen Angst Adventure Gang&quot; is copyrighted by [[Glenn Rubenstein]], who has considered making an animated series showing the behind the scenes world of an online show by that name. [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/02/what-time-is-itcoverage-of-glenn-on.html]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Template_talk:CharIndex&diff=137806 2008-07-26T14:13:16Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I like it Jay. One thing, the minor characters: Paul and Andrea and Cassie i'd consider more so fanfic characters. They are mentioned, yes, but they've been mostly developed outside of &quot;officiality&quot; (did i jsut amke that word up?). Thats just my opinion though. Maybe a little section of well known fanfics in the template. That would be neat-o!--[[User:Killthesmiley|Killthesmiley]] 14:59, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> : So I just tossed this up as an idea. I made the somewhat controversial move of grouping Gemma with the other members of The Order. That seems to me more logical than grouping her with Daniel, Jonas and Bree, especially since she's evidently been dead for a month now. The categories of &quot;parents&quot; and &quot;minor characters&quot; is not something we've used before, but it seemed more logical to me. Obviously, two of those links don't have a page with them. That's an interesting point that KTS raises about Paul and Andrea and Cassie. They've become fanfic, but they began as Breeniverse characters that Bree and Daniel talk about. And the links are to the pages about their canon variations, not to the fanficcers. That was my reasoning, but I def see KTS's point.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:04, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::I like this template. I liked stuffed characters to their category page, and minor characters to unseen. Not a perfect fix, but I guess it'll work for now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:40, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Our animal friends? ==<br /> <br /> So.... since there are four of them now, can [[:Category:Animal characters|Animal Characters]] be added to this template? :-&gt; ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 14:07, 12 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Cleanup==<br /> <br /> Yikes, this could really use some cleanup. A lot of the characters mentioned are rather insignificant. How do people feel about only leaving significant characters on the template, and then having a link to [[Characters|Other Characters]]? I was thinkin something like this...<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Additional Characters''': [[Gemma]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Jules]] - [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Characters|Other Characters]]<br /> <br /> '''[[:Category:Stuffed characters|Stuffed Characters]]''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> Er, give or take a little, but yeah, more along this basic idea. (I probably overdid it with characters for removal.. or not. I'd love thoughts please!!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:39, 16 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I really liked how most of the characters are listed in the current box. Makes navigation fly REALLY well when I'm exploring the LGPedia. Mind you, if others feel its too crowded, go ahead and trim it. But I'd definitely wouldn't be as frugal as the list above Zoey. :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:37, 16 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Hm, I just feel like so many of the characters are so minor.. and it's just cluttering the template to have them all listed. I feel like the [[Characters]] page should be available for the full list, but the CharIndex should really be for characters that would be frequently visited. I just think we should trim it down. I did it with the [[Template:CrewIndex|CrewIndex]] too (after discussions on the [[Template_talk:CrewIndex|talk page]]), and I really think it looks much neater and easier to handle to have the main actors and then a link to other cameos as opposed to trying to list all the cameo actors on the template itself. I think the same would hold true for this. The main characters that people would really honestly bother looking up (not really the LonelyCracks, per say, just like.. someone who wanted to read about the main characters) should be listed and the rest can be directed to the Characters page, which would still provide a way for the LonelyCrackers to view all the chars. in a nice tidy format. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:12, 17 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Yeah, you're right, it should be cut down -- on the other hand, I think you went a LITTLE overboard. :-&gt; My suggestion is this: include all the characters that have pictures on the [[Characters]] page, as they're pretty much the most important ones anyway. It might be best to use the same categories on that page (i.e., include &quot;Missing or Deceased Characters&quot;), just for the sake of consistency. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 16:57, 17 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> So like this...?<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] <br /> <br /> '''Missing or Deceased Characters''': [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Bree's parents]] - [[Gemma]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ~[[Characters|Other Characters]]~<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> (Maybe in need of a bit of cleanup still, but how's this look?) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:34, 19 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Are two more stuffed character really going to crowd the box? (I won't deny I'm a fan of Daniel's puppy). And maybe a few more parents (though I would understand why not, since they are for the most part unseen). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:56, 19 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I like that a lot. And yes, I'd put in TOM and Daniel's Puppy, just to perfectly consistent. But I like it, though it may need to change fairly soon, 'cause I have a feeling that Dr. Gilman will soon be showing us the wonderful, Order-crushing power of Neutrogena. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 15:10, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> So is this what everyone has agreed upon? I'll change it tommorow if there are no objections.<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] <br /> <br /> '''Missing or Deceased Characters''': [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Bree's parents]] - [[Gemma]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]] - [[The Other Monkey]] - [[Daniel's puppy]]<br /> <br /> ~[[Characters|Other Characters]]~<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:27, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, as I'm looking at new characters that are being added, I'm wondering if the pictures-on-the-character page is the best way to go. Like, Taylor's Troll Dolls were just added, but they certainly aren't that important. And I'm not even sure, as I think about it, that we need to have Op/Tach/Bro since they really aren't a part of the story anymore, and mostly have their own Index with the in-game stuff. I also don't think that Daniel's puppy and T.O.M. really need to be on this page, because while yes, they are cute and under appriciated, they really aren't mentioned enough in the videos to constitute a listing on the main character navigation. How about this:<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]] - [[Spencer]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ~''[[Characters|All Other Characters]]''~<br /> |}<br /> <br /> I don't know, meh. For some reason I feel like that's more.. suiting. Perhaps we can categorize them better... Members of the Order/Members of the Resistance? Something like that, I dunno. Thoughts please?<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]] - [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]] - [[Isaac Gilman]]<br /> <br /> '''Members of the Order''': [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Gemma]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ~''[[Characters|All Other Characters]]''~<br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:52, 29 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I don't know, Zoey. Besides adding Spencer to the &quot;supporting characters,&quot; I honestly think the best move right now is &quot;if it ain't broke, don't fix it.&quot; Granted, if someone else can come up with a more promising restructuring, then I'd be willing to give it a shot. But since we JUST got rid of the old character box where &quot;everyone possible&quot; was the goal, I feel let's have some time pass. But then again, don't let me be the only judge. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:57, 29 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Hm, okay... well I just feel like we were a bit hasty with our decision last time, unknowingly.. just because now &quot;Taylor's Troll Dolls&quot; are on the character navigation, and really, they don't have their own page o_o They are SO minor. I like that second one I did.. it includes everyone major and keeps them organized.... what did you think of that one? And can other people please include their thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:20, 2 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Does anyone have any additional thoughts/objections? If not, I'll go ahead and make the changes in a day or two... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:36, 4 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Let's give this issue some more time, Zoey. Perhaps people simply haven't noticed this topic in the Participate or something, but nevertheless I would like to hear other people's opinions. (Remember what you said - you felt the last decision felt rushed, so lets give it another week or two.) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:50, 4 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : I re-added Isaac Gilman, as it seems his purpose goes beyond finding Spencer. But other than that, I'm still liking the character list as proposed above. We REALLY don't need Taylor's troll dolls on the list.. lol. Can someone else please post their thoughts? I will seriously make it live soon if ya don't... grr ;P. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:16, 7 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, it has been over a week and there have been no further objections or suggestions on how to handle this. I am going to go ahead and make the latest version live. If people have concerns/complaints about it, feel free to further discuss here :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:25, 13 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Oh come on, Zoey, Daniel's Puppy hasn't been a one-shot stuffed animal!! :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Fine fine! :P updated. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:27, 14 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == &quot;Current&quot; Character Index ==<br /> <br /> So I was thinking about how to best treat this character box. As I see it, when people are looking to learn more about what's currently going on in the story, they'll be clicking on the characters who appear &quot;now.&quot; Then when the person gets hooked and wants to learn more about the history, they'll click on &quot;All Characters&quot; and be able to see the characters in the rankings of their &quot;overall importance&quot; on the Characters page. So like the character box would just be &quot;who we're focusing on now&quot; (and I'll still only do the major characters at that time obviously. Like I wouldn't put Pharma guy up yet even though he was just in a video. At this point he's just not someone you ''need'' to read about to understand the plot) and the Characters page is &quot;who we're focusing on in the big picture/long term.&quot; So anyways, I'll make the changes and if you guys have any questions, concerns, comments, or thoughts, please let me know! Thanks --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:32, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :I agree, but can we change the general formatting of the box back to the way it was? The names are Holy Crap gigantic, and very distracting. I'd think something like this would be ideal:<br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Daniel]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Emma]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Taylor]] - [[Mallory]] - [[Dr. Calvin Hart]] - [[Gina]] - [[Professor DelMundo]]<br /> <br /> ~ [[Characters|Other Characters]] ~<br /> <br /> |}<br /> :For that matter, why does it need the Topic header above the box? It seems kind of redundant to me. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:23, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I edited the font size back to big tags for the time being, because it was ''really'' distracting. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:36, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :The one thing that worries me without the label is that people will be confused where all the other big characters are. For instance, I forsee a lot of &quot;Why isn't Bree on there&quot; questions if we don't specify that we're only listing current supporting characters... plus it almost feels kind of.. empty to me. I dunno, I felt like the black kind of broke it up... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:29, 1 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I see your point, though maybe we could make the black text a little smaller? It looks kind of big. Who added Carl, Chris, and Claudia on there, anyway?? Honestly, if someone's going to push for more minor characters, why them? I think we might need some guidelines for that. I think keeping the supporting characters to one line makes it look cleaner. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:14, 3 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Huh, I actually thought having it on two lines made the black text look ''less'' massive... And Chris, Carl, and Claudia were added because they are supporting characters within Sarah's story right now... I mean, if someone is trying to keep up with the story, those would be characters they might be interested in, right? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:52, 3 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Yeah, you're right, it does actually look a lot better. I think I was being too hard on it or something. And I had completely forgotten that Sarah was off doing her own thing with the HoO-ers right now, so yeah, they should be listed. = [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 23:31, 3 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Hmm... &quot;Current Supporting Characters&quot;==<br /> I just found a flaw in the new current character box. I love the idea of it and everything. And it's working great. But here's what's bothering me... it says &quot;Current Supporting Characters&quot; underneath the current main characters, and lists the current supporting characters, right? That's great, but what I've found is that when you go to the [[Characters]] page, barely any of those &quot;Current Supporting Characters&quot; are even under the Supporting Characters section. Shouldn't we keep them consistent, with the exception of the deceased [[Gina]]?<br /> :&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:19, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I agree, and we really need to come up with some sort of guidelines for determining supporting characters. Leave Nikki B, though; I think you'd have an uprising on your hands for moving her. :P - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:17, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Well, that was part of the point, I thought. The [[Characters]] page provides a much more permanent look at who the supporting characters of the entire series are. It documents the show as a whole. On the other hand, the character box is something you see on all the pages and provides a more &quot;up to date&quot; view of who the supporting characters are. IMO the contrast is nice... do you disagree? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :I agree with Zoey: The minute we had so many characters for the Index, we set it up where only the most important and current characters resided in the index while the Character page contained them all. &quot;Supporting characters of the moment&quot; and &quot;supporting characters of the series&quot; seems to be the only confusion here, albeit a trivial one (but hey, this is the LGPedia . . . we LOVE trivialities!) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:36, 16 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==After the show...==<br /> <br /> When KateModern ended, they added all the characters back to the character box, and I assume LG15's will look something like this...<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Lonelygirl15 Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> | &lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]]- [[Gina]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> '''Supporting Characters:''' &lt;br&gt;[[Drew Avery]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Nikki B]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Mallory]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[Claire]] [[Virgil]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Steve]] - [[Edward Salinas]] - [[Lord Carruthers]]<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;&quot;&gt;'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> Any comments, how would you change it?<br /> <br /> :Well, I built a mockup for the character page once the show ends (see [[User:Zoey/Lonelygirl15 characters]]) so in my mind, it makes most sense to follow that format. I don't actually think [[Steve]] belongs here (nor do I think Jonas belongs on the KM Characters... they were a crossover character, but they still &quot;belong&quot; to their respective shows). Anyways, here's how I would propose it look...<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Lonelygirl15 Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> | &lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]]- [[Gina]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> '''Supporting Characters:''' &lt;br&gt;[[Lucy]] - [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B]] - [[Virgil]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Bree's Watcher]] - [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Alex]] &lt;br&gt; [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Mallory]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[Claire]] - [[Virgil]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Edward Salinas]]<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;&quot;&gt;'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> :What do you think of this? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:33, 26 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I like it, I just never thought to add the ARG characters, and I personally would consider adding Lord Carruthers, depending on his role in the upcoming finale, and their are theories that he is someone we already know... --[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 09:13, 26 July 2008 (CDT)</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Jules&diff=137736 2008-07-25T23:37:11Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{update}}{{one other use|the Lonelygirl15 character|the KateModern character|Julia}}<br /> {{Person <br /> | name = Jules<br /> | image = Jules lights.jpg<br /> | age = {{Age|19920607}}<br /> | birthday = June 7th, 1992<br /> | youtube = callmejules24<br /> | revver = <br /> | myspace = callmejules24<br /> | actor = [[Shannon Solomon]]<br /> | first = [[Call Me Jules]]<br /> | last = [[lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]]<br /> | color = LightSalmon<br /> | series = LG15<br /> }}<br /> '''Julia &quot;Jules&quot; Anderson''', a.k.a. '''Callmejules24''' is a 15-year-old girl who lived in Texas. For a while, she appeared to be the [[New Girl]] referred to by [[Alex]] in [[The Perfect Beach]] as a replacement for [[Bree]]. However, she was ultimately revealed to have been a decoy successfully planted by [[the Order]] to lure Bree out of hiding and bring her back under their control.<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> ===Call me Jules===<br /> [[Image:HesAMonsterIPromise.jpg|thumb|left|Jules blogs about her cat.]]<br /> Jules posted a [[Call Me Jules|video]] on YouTube on April 9, 2007, and began her [http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&amp;friendID=177279446 MySpace blog] on the same day. Her posts and videos were about her fascination with foreign languages, her [[Piglet|cat]], and typical teen problems with her parents and her [[Cameron|little sister]]. There were echoes of Bree's videos from the first, such as complaining about feeling trapped in a strict, dull lifestyle dictated by her parents, and the fact that she was learning a language &quot;you're probably not even familiar with.&quot; ([[Enochian]]?)<br /> <br /> At that time, there were several possible &quot;New Girls,&quot; including [[Taylor]], whose first video appeared the same week as Jules's. But on April 16th, 2007, in the video [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]], [[Nikki Bower]] singled Jules out as the possible replacement for [[Bree]] in the [[The Ceremony|Ceremony]]. Bree, at this time in hiding with [[Daniel]] and [[Jonas]] in [[the bunker]], took notice of this information in [[New Girl]], posted on April 17th, 2007, and said, referring to Jules, &quot;I'm not gonna let the Order do to her what they tried to do to me.&quot; Bree's focus on Jules continued over her next two videos, [[Sloppy Drunk]] and [[Blog Girl]] (both made in the bunker), in which she analyzed the information in Jules's continuing series of YouTube videos and MySpace blog posts, described her attempts to contact Jules, and asked for help from fans on the forum. Her growing desire to rescue Jules and prevent her from doing the Ceremony is evident throughout these videos.<br /> <br /> ===Finding Her===<br /> [[Image:0186-Jules and Bree.jpg|thumb|right|Jules refuses to listen to Bree.]]<br /> On April 25th, 2007, Taylor posted a video, [[I Recognize Her!]], referring to Jules as &quot;Julie,&quot; and saying that she thought she recognized her as a girl who had played on a rival soccer team in her area the previous year. Bree took notice of this information on April 26th, 2007 in [[A Solid Lead]], which turned out to be the last video from the bunker. On April 29th, 2007, Bree posted [[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] and revealed that she, Daniel, and Jonas were on their way to [[Zavalla]] (referred to as &quot;a teeny-eensy-weensy little town&quot; in Texas) to meet Taylor, try to find Jules, and talk to her, although Bree had enough foresight to recognize and state that &quot;this could be a trap.&quot;<br /> <br /> Upon arriving in Zavalla, the three had a startling meeting with Taylor's sister [[Sarah]] in [[Crazy Emo Chick]] (May 1st, 2007), in which Sarah, in her first LG15 appearance, briefly took Daniel hostage by sticking her lipstick in his back and pretending that it was a gun. All five of them searched for Jules in the May 2nd, 2007 video [[No Trespassing]], in which Taylor appeared as canon for the first time, and her astounding computer skills were revealed. On May 4th, 2007 [[We Found Julia!!!]] was posted, which showed Bree accosting Jules on her way home and attempting to talk to her; however, Jules pushed Bree away and ran off. This was Jules's first physical appearance in an LG15 video as a canon character. <br /> <br /> ===Capture and Rescue===<br /> [[Image:Jules Kidnapping Gag.jpg|thumb|left|Daniel kidnapping Jules.]]<br /> In [[It's Not Kidnapping]] on May 7th, 2007 the plot took a surprising turn, as [[TAAG|BDJ]] kidnapped Jules. Although Bree had seemed increasingly anxious to convince Jules not to do the Ceremony, this video revealed that she was willing to rationalize violence and illegal acts to do so. [[Naïve Girl]] (May 8th, 2007) showed Jules's defiance and Bree's uncertainty as to whether she had done the right thing. BDJ were shown reacting to Jules's escape in [[She's Missing]] on May 9, and her recapture was referred to in Jonas's video [[Aiding and Abetting]] on May 10th, 2007. Jonas, throughout the kidnapping episode, was clearly and vocally opposed to this course of action, and concerned about Jules' well-being, while Daniel was also worried, but committed to supporting Bree's efforts.<br /> <br /> On May 11th, 2007, [[What the F*@k???]] was posted, in which BDJ and Jules were found by the Order. Their car was forced to the side of the road and Jules, then Bree, got out of the car. Bree walked over to where Jules was standing with [[Lucy]] and a [[Watcher]], spoke briefly to Lucy, and then got in the car with the three of them and drove off, leaving Daniel and Jonas frantic and bewildered. They stayed in Zavalla another week and were shown stealing Jules's medical records, with Sarah and (especially) Taylor's help, on May 18th, 2007 in the video [[Let's Play Doctor]]. These records indicated that Jules was [[trait positive|trait negative]], which confirmed that she could not have been a candidate for the Ceremony. Daniel and Jonas left Zavalla the next day and returned to [[Jonas's house]].<br /> <br /> Jules's videos and blog posts ended at the time she was kidnapped, and she has not been seen as an active character again. However, she did log into MySpace briefly in October to change her profile picture.<br /> <br /> It was later revealed that Jules was planted online by Taylor and Sarah's father, so that Taylor would recognize Jules and contact Bree, allowing The Order to sway Bree into coming with them, so Jules would be safe. <br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * Jules was the first character whose full name was revealed. In [[Let's Play Doctor]], we find out that Julia's last name is Anderson.<br /> * In [[2006 Graduation Ceremony (full version)]] from [[the Homeschoolers Aggregate]], Jules was listed as a graduate.<br /> *Jules's videos were not originally intended to be canon, however, after an actress backed out at the last minute, Jules stepped into the role that was originally set to be played by [[Taylor]] and the Taylor character filled the role once meant for [[Molly]].<br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> ===Julia===<br /> Feminine form of the old Roman family name Julius. A woman called Julia is mentioned in Paul's Epistle to the Romans (Romans 16:15), and the name was borne by numerous early saints. Its frequency increased with the vogue for classical names in the 18th century, and it continues to enjoy considerable popularity, although the recent introduction of Julie to the English-speaking world has reduced this somewhat. <br /> <br /> ===Anderson===<br /> Definition: Patronymic surname meaning &quot;son of Andrew.&quot; Andrew (man, manly) was the first of Jesus' disciples, and was a revered name in medieval times due to its church connections. St. Andrew is the patron saint of both Scotland and Russia. Many Danes, Norwegians and Swedes who emigrated to America with the last name Andersson or Anderssen, dropped the extra -S after their arrival. <br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> {{theories|Jules}}<br /> <br /> {{Hoomember}}<br /> {{CharIndex}}</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Template_talk:CharIndex&diff=137733 2008-07-25T23:34:21Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>I like it Jay. One thing, the minor characters: Paul and Andrea and Cassie i'd consider more so fanfic characters. They are mentioned, yes, but they've been mostly developed outside of &quot;officiality&quot; (did i jsut amke that word up?). Thats just my opinion though. Maybe a little section of well known fanfics in the template. That would be neat-o!--[[User:Killthesmiley|Killthesmiley]] 14:59, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> : So I just tossed this up as an idea. I made the somewhat controversial move of grouping Gemma with the other members of The Order. That seems to me more logical than grouping her with Daniel, Jonas and Bree, especially since she's evidently been dead for a month now. The categories of &quot;parents&quot; and &quot;minor characters&quot; is not something we've used before, but it seemed more logical to me. Obviously, two of those links don't have a page with them. That's an interesting point that KTS raises about Paul and Andrea and Cassie. They've become fanfic, but they began as Breeniverse characters that Bree and Daniel talk about. And the links are to the pages about their canon variations, not to the fanficcers. That was my reasoning, but I def see KTS's point.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:04, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::I like this template. I liked stuffed characters to their category page, and minor characters to unseen. Not a perfect fix, but I guess it'll work for now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:40, 2 February 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Our animal friends? ==<br /> <br /> So.... since there are four of them now, can [[:Category:Animal characters|Animal Characters]] be added to this template? :-&gt; ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 14:07, 12 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Cleanup==<br /> <br /> Yikes, this could really use some cleanup. A lot of the characters mentioned are rather insignificant. How do people feel about only leaving significant characters on the template, and then having a link to [[Characters|Other Characters]]? I was thinkin something like this...<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Additional Characters''': [[Gemma]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Jules]] - [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Characters|Other Characters]]<br /> <br /> '''[[:Category:Stuffed characters|Stuffed Characters]]''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> Er, give or take a little, but yeah, more along this basic idea. (I probably overdid it with characters for removal.. or not. I'd love thoughts please!!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:39, 16 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I really liked how most of the characters are listed in the current box. Makes navigation fly REALLY well when I'm exploring the LGPedia. Mind you, if others feel its too crowded, go ahead and trim it. But I'd definitely wouldn't be as frugal as the list above Zoey. :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:37, 16 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Hm, I just feel like so many of the characters are so minor.. and it's just cluttering the template to have them all listed. I feel like the [[Characters]] page should be available for the full list, but the CharIndex should really be for characters that would be frequently visited. I just think we should trim it down. I did it with the [[Template:CrewIndex|CrewIndex]] too (after discussions on the [[Template_talk:CrewIndex|talk page]]), and I really think it looks much neater and easier to handle to have the main actors and then a link to other cameos as opposed to trying to list all the cameo actors on the template itself. I think the same would hold true for this. The main characters that people would really honestly bother looking up (not really the LonelyCracks, per say, just like.. someone who wanted to read about the main characters) should be listed and the rest can be directed to the Characters page, which would still provide a way for the LonelyCrackers to view all the chars. in a nice tidy format. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:12, 17 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Yeah, you're right, it should be cut down -- on the other hand, I think you went a LITTLE overboard. :-&gt; My suggestion is this: include all the characters that have pictures on the [[Characters]] page, as they're pretty much the most important ones anyway. It might be best to use the same categories on that page (i.e., include &quot;Missing or Deceased Characters&quot;), just for the sake of consistency. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 16:57, 17 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> So like this...?<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] <br /> <br /> '''Missing or Deceased Characters''': [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Bree's parents]] - [[Gemma]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ~[[Characters|Other Characters]]~<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> (Maybe in need of a bit of cleanup still, but how's this look?) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:34, 19 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Are two more stuffed character really going to crowd the box? (I won't deny I'm a fan of Daniel's puppy). And maybe a few more parents (though I would understand why not, since they are for the most part unseen). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:56, 19 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I like that a lot. And yes, I'd put in TOM and Daniel's Puppy, just to perfectly consistent. But I like it, though it may need to change fairly soon, 'cause I have a feeling that Dr. Gilman will soon be showing us the wonderful, Order-crushing power of Neutrogena. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 15:10, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> So is this what everyone has agreed upon? I'll change it tommorow if there are no objections.<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] <br /> <br /> '''Missing or Deceased Characters''': [[OpAphid]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[Bree's parents]] - [[Gemma]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]] - [[The Other Monkey]] - [[Daniel's puppy]]<br /> <br /> ~[[Characters|Other Characters]]~<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:27, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, as I'm looking at new characters that are being added, I'm wondering if the pictures-on-the-character page is the best way to go. Like, Taylor's Troll Dolls were just added, but they certainly aren't that important. And I'm not even sure, as I think about it, that we need to have Op/Tach/Bro since they really aren't a part of the story anymore, and mostly have their own Index with the in-game stuff. I also don't think that Daniel's puppy and T.O.M. really need to be on this page, because while yes, they are cute and under appriciated, they really aren't mentioned enough in the videos to constitute a listing on the main character navigation. How about this:<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]] - [[Spencer]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ~''[[Characters|All Other Characters]]''~<br /> |}<br /> <br /> I don't know, meh. For some reason I feel like that's more.. suiting. Perhaps we can categorize them better... Members of the Order/Members of the Resistance? Something like that, I dunno. Thoughts please?<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> '''Supporting Characters''': [[Nikki Bower]] - [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]] - [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]] - [[Isaac Gilman]]<br /> <br /> '''Members of the Order''': [[Jules]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Gemma]]<br /> <br /> '''Stuffed Characters''': [[Purple Monkey]] - [[Owen]] - [[Thor]]<br /> <br /> ~''[[Characters|All Other Characters]]''~<br /> |}<br /> <br /> --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:52, 29 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I don't know, Zoey. Besides adding Spencer to the &quot;supporting characters,&quot; I honestly think the best move right now is &quot;if it ain't broke, don't fix it.&quot; Granted, if someone else can come up with a more promising restructuring, then I'd be willing to give it a shot. But since we JUST got rid of the old character box where &quot;everyone possible&quot; was the goal, I feel let's have some time pass. But then again, don't let me be the only judge. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:57, 29 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Hm, okay... well I just feel like we were a bit hasty with our decision last time, unknowingly.. just because now &quot;Taylor's Troll Dolls&quot; are on the character navigation, and really, they don't have their own page o_o They are SO minor. I like that second one I did.. it includes everyone major and keeps them organized.... what did you think of that one? And can other people please include their thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:20, 2 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Does anyone have any additional thoughts/objections? If not, I'll go ahead and make the changes in a day or two... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:36, 4 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Let's give this issue some more time, Zoey. Perhaps people simply haven't noticed this topic in the Participate or something, but nevertheless I would like to hear other people's opinions. (Remember what you said - you felt the last decision felt rushed, so lets give it another week or two.) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:50, 4 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : I re-added Isaac Gilman, as it seems his purpose goes beyond finding Spencer. But other than that, I'm still liking the character list as proposed above. We REALLY don't need Taylor's troll dolls on the list.. lol. Can someone else please post their thoughts? I will seriously make it live soon if ya don't... grr ;P. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:16, 7 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, it has been over a week and there have been no further objections or suggestions on how to handle this. I am going to go ahead and make the latest version live. If people have concerns/complaints about it, feel free to further discuss here :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:25, 13 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Oh come on, Zoey, Daniel's Puppy hasn't been a one-shot stuffed animal!! :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Fine fine! :P updated. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:27, 14 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == &quot;Current&quot; Character Index ==<br /> <br /> So I was thinking about how to best treat this character box. As I see it, when people are looking to learn more about what's currently going on in the story, they'll be clicking on the characters who appear &quot;now.&quot; Then when the person gets hooked and wants to learn more about the history, they'll click on &quot;All Characters&quot; and be able to see the characters in the rankings of their &quot;overall importance&quot; on the Characters page. So like the character box would just be &quot;who we're focusing on now&quot; (and I'll still only do the major characters at that time obviously. Like I wouldn't put Pharma guy up yet even though he was just in a video. At this point he's just not someone you ''need'' to read about to understand the plot) and the Characters page is &quot;who we're focusing on in the big picture/long term.&quot; So anyways, I'll make the changes and if you guys have any questions, concerns, comments, or thoughts, please let me know! Thanks --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:32, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :I agree, but can we change the general formatting of the box back to the way it was? The names are Holy Crap gigantic, and very distracting. I'd think something like this would be ideal:<br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 90%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> |&lt;big&gt;'''[[Daniel]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Emma]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Taylor]] - [[Mallory]] - [[Dr. Calvin Hart]] - [[Gina]] - [[Professor DelMundo]]<br /> <br /> ~ [[Characters|Other Characters]] ~<br /> <br /> |}<br /> :For that matter, why does it need the Topic header above the box? It seems kind of redundant to me. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:23, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I edited the font size back to big tags for the time being, because it was ''really'' distracting. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:36, 29 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :The one thing that worries me without the label is that people will be confused where all the other big characters are. For instance, I forsee a lot of &quot;Why isn't Bree on there&quot; questions if we don't specify that we're only listing current supporting characters... plus it almost feels kind of.. empty to me. I dunno, I felt like the black kind of broke it up... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:29, 1 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I see your point, though maybe we could make the black text a little smaller? It looks kind of big. Who added Carl, Chris, and Claudia on there, anyway?? Honestly, if someone's going to push for more minor characters, why them? I think we might need some guidelines for that. I think keeping the supporting characters to one line makes it look cleaner. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:14, 3 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Huh, I actually thought having it on two lines made the black text look ''less'' massive... And Chris, Carl, and Claudia were added because they are supporting characters within Sarah's story right now... I mean, if someone is trying to keep up with the story, those would be characters they might be interested in, right? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:52, 3 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::Yeah, you're right, it does actually look a lot better. I think I was being too hard on it or something. And I had completely forgotten that Sarah was off doing her own thing with the HoO-ers right now, so yeah, they should be listed. = [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 23:31, 3 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Hmm... &quot;Current Supporting Characters&quot;==<br /> I just found a flaw in the new current character box. I love the idea of it and everything. And it's working great. But here's what's bothering me... it says &quot;Current Supporting Characters&quot; underneath the current main characters, and lists the current supporting characters, right? That's great, but what I've found is that when you go to the [[Characters]] page, barely any of those &quot;Current Supporting Characters&quot; are even under the Supporting Characters section. Shouldn't we keep them consistent, with the exception of the deceased [[Gina]]?<br /> :&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 17:19, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I agree, and we really need to come up with some sort of guidelines for determining supporting characters. Leave Nikki B, though; I think you'd have an uprising on your hands for moving her. :P - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:17, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Well, that was part of the point, I thought. The [[Characters]] page provides a much more permanent look at who the supporting characters of the entire series are. It documents the show as a whole. On the other hand, the character box is something you see on all the pages and provides a more &quot;up to date&quot; view of who the supporting characters are. IMO the contrast is nice... do you disagree? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 6 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :I agree with Zoey: The minute we had so many characters for the Index, we set it up where only the most important and current characters resided in the index while the Character page contained them all. &quot;Supporting characters of the moment&quot; and &quot;supporting characters of the series&quot; seems to be the only confusion here, albeit a trivial one (but hey, this is the LGPedia . . . we LOVE trivialities!) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:36, 16 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==After the show...==<br /> <br /> When KateModern ended, they added all the characters back to the character box, and I assume LG15's will look something like this...<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Lonelygirl15 Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> | &lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]]- [[Gina]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> '''Supporting Characters:''' &lt;br&gt;[[Drew Avery]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Nikki B]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Mallory]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[Claire]] [[Virgil]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Steve]] - [[Edward Salinas]] - [[Lord Carruthers]]<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;&quot;&gt;'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> Any comments, how would you change it?</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Template:CharIndex&diff=137691 2008-07-25T23:11:36Z

<p>TraverseTown: Undo revision 137690 by TraverseTown (Talk)</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;center&gt;<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Lonelygirl15 Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> | &lt;big&gt;'''[[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Jennie]] - [[Taylor]]'''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> '''Current Supporting Characters:''' &lt;br&gt;[[Taylor and Sarah's parents]] - [[Dr. William Porter]] - [[Jules]]&lt;br&gt;[[Lucy]] - [[Lord Carruthers]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[George Kiel]]<br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;&quot;&gt;'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> &lt;includeonly&gt;[[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]&lt;/includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;noinclude&gt;[[Category:Bottom indexes]]&lt;/noinclude&gt;</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Template:CharIndex&diff=137690 2008-07-25T23:11:16Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;br clear=&quot;all&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;center&gt;<br /> <br /> {| class=&quot;infobox&quot; align=&quot;bottom&quot; style=&quot;border:#535353 2px solid;margin-left:2em;margin-bottom:2em;width: 50em; text-align: center; font-size: 100%; background: #eee;&quot; cellspacing=&quot;2&quot;<br /> |+ '''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Topic: {{PAGENAME}}'''<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; |'''[[Lonelygirl15 characters|&lt;font color=white&gt;Lonelygirl15 Characters&lt;/font&gt;]]'''<br /> |- valign=top<br /> ! style=&quot;width:8em&quot; | <br /> |-<br /> | &lt;big&gt;'''[[Bree]] - [[Daniel]] - [[Jonas]] - [[Sarah]] - [[Taylor]] - [[Emma]] - [[Jennie]] - [[Gina]] '''&lt;/big&gt;<br /> '''Supporting Characters:''' &lt;br&gt;[[Drew Avery]] - [[Lucy]] - [[Bree's Watcher]] - [[Nikki B]] - [[Tachyon]] - [[Brother]] - [[OpAphid]] - [[Gemma]] - [[Alex]] - [[Carl]] - [[Sonia]] - [[Jules]] - [[Spencer]] - [[Lord Carruthers]] - [[The Whartons]] - [[Mallory]] - [[Elizabeth Avery]] - [[Claire]] - [[Virgil]] - [[Dr. Hart]] - [[Steve]] - [[Edward Salinas]] <br /> <br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-size:9pt;padding:0.4em 0em 0em 0em;&quot;&gt;'''''{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 characters|text=Click Here For The Full Character List|color=black|external=no}}'''''&lt;/div&gt;<br /> <br /> |}<br /> <br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> &lt;includeonly&gt;[[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]&lt;/includeonly&gt;<br /> &lt;noinclude&gt;[[Category:Bottom indexes]]&lt;/noinclude&gt;</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&diff=137678 2008-07-25T22:33:14Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 498<br /> | image = 0498-SarahburningCarlstuff.jpg<br /> | caption = Lunch is ready and there's some roasted Carl on the menu... <br /> | blogger = Sarah<br /> | date = 20080610<br /> | url = {{lg15|616}}<br /> | forumid = 17654<br /> | length = 3:48<br /> | description = Carl burnt me. Now it's my turn.<br /> | location = [[The rented house]]<br /> | tags = <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = Miles Beckett, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried<br /> | serprod = Amanda Goodfried <br /> | pa = Jenni Powell<br /> | directors = Marcello Daciano <br /> | story = Tom Pettit, Blair Singer, Jim Campolongo, and Amanda Goodfried<br /> | vidplay = Blair Singer<br /> | camera = Kevin Schlanser <br /> | editor = Matt Vanselow<br /> | music supervisor = Seth Jacobs<br /> | song = &quot;A Rhyming Dictionary&quot; by The Seldon Plan<br /> <br /> | cast = {{VidChar|Sarah}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = No More Fear<br /> | Next = Undercover Lovers <br /> | PreviousB = Cabin Fever<br /> | NextB = Boy Tied Up<br /> }}<br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Sarah:''' Well, I was right. Prom was... different. Um. I don't know what to say about Gina. I got to know her as well as anyone could. But Emma's right. She was strong and... a little guarded. Naive. She didn't deserve what happened to her. A-as for me, it's (''rubs face with hands'') complicated. I suppose you guys are wondering why I didn't come home for two days after what happened. I ran through the woods. I ran until my legs gave out. I couldn't breathe. My throat closed up. I- I guess I was dehydrated. And then I found a road. And I passed out. I guess that's what I get for spiking the punch. The next thing I remember, I woke up in the back seat of some woman's car. I guess she was taking me to the hospital. When we stopped at a stop light, I got out of the backseat because I wasn't taking ''any'' chances. I walked on foot for a couple miles, and I found a Denny's. I used the payphone outside to call Daniel, and he and Jonas came and got me. I was in a pretty bad state.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Sarah, walking over to a desk with a brown paper bag. She sets it down on the floor. Cut to Sarah, carrying over a small box and hat. She sets the box on the desk. And roughly throws the hat into the brown paper bag. Opening the box, Sarah takes out an envelope, rolling her eyes as she does so. She takes out the card and shows it to the camera; the cover says, &quot;LOVE&quot;. She takes a photograph out of the card before throwing it away, then rips the photo in two. <br /> <br /> (''Cut to Sarah removing roses from the box and shaking her head before disposing of them. Cut to Sarah, opening up a cardboard jewelry box and taking out a single earring. She drops it into the brown bag, staring at the camera. She then roughly throws the rest of the box into the bag. Cut to Sarah throwing away an unidentified, hard object. Cut to Sarah throwing out the entire box, now empty.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' (''standing closer to the camera'') It's my fault Gina's dead. That's why everyone's watching me. You know, if I hadn't had brought Carl...<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Sarah, walking onscreen with the book'' Finding the One''. She opens it to the page Carl wrote a love note on and rips it out.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' (''Standing closer to the camera, again'') He used me. He killed one of my friends. You know, I thought he loved me. Everything, the love letter, the bomb scare. It was all the set up.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to outside. A grill is standing in the back ground. Sarah comes onscreen from the right, in front of the grill.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' You know what, I hate him. I ''hate'' Carl. He betrayed me and he used me to get to one of us. And I can't believe that I fell for it the whole time. <br /> <br /> (''Cut to Sarah, now behind the grill, preparing it for use.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' They won't say it, but they think I have something to do with what happened. And-- and why? Because I got sick and fell asleep in the back of some woman's car? (''leans over and reaches into the brown bag she'd filled up earlier, grabbing a handful of stuff and dropping it in the grill.'') You know, I feel bad enough as it is. (''leans over to grab another item'') And the fact that they think that I had something to do with it, it's just-- (''drops item into the grill'') it's wrong. (''leans over to retrieve yet another item. She sighs angrily.'') This is like the [[Lullaby Project| Lullaby Project]] (''drops item into grill'') all over again, everyone's second guessing me. (''leans over for more items'')<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Sarah, dropping in another handful of stuff.She leans over and picks up another object.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' You know, I could go back to Texas. Then I think about Gina. And... I can't run away. You know what, she deserves better than that. (''sets object on fire and drops it in.'')<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Sarah, ripping up a paper and throwing the pieces into the flame. Cut to the pieces of paper burning. The camera slowly zooms up on them.'')<br /> <br /> (''Fade out to Sarah, back inside.'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Since I got back, Daniel's been by my side, taking care of me and... it's nice. What happened between us at prom, you know it-- it really meant something. But... with what happened, and... how everyone looks at me... I honestly don't know where it's gonna lead. There's a small bit of good news, though. Um, Jennie thinks that she may have found something that can help us pay back that murderer. I'll keep you posted. (''covers camera with hand'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *It may be interesting to note that, while she tears out Carl's note in the back, Sarah never destroys the [[Hymn of One]] book she received after being brainwashed. It should be noted that it is a one of a kind prop and its often used while filming to prop up the stationary camera during video blogs.</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=We%27re_Screwed!&diff=137673 2008-07-25T22:24:43Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 529<br /> | image = 0529-DanielSarahFight.JPG<br /> | caption = Did you steal my [[cap]]?<br /> | blogger = Daniel<br /> | date = 20080725<br /> | url = {{lg15|654}}<br /> | forumid = 18169<br /> | length = 3:32<br /> | description = I'm speechless.<br /> | location = <br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|danielbeast|daniel|sarah|fight|jonas|jonastko|taylor|order|hymn of one|eclipse}}<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = &quot;Places Everyone&quot; by Arthur Yoria<br /> <br /> | cast = {{VidChar|Daniel}}<br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> {{VidChar|Sarah}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Grave Drawings<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = Dangerous Injection!<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Daniel:''' My head's spinning. I can't make sense of anything after what I just found. Let me start from the beginning. See, Taylor disappeared last night. She went out for a walk and she didn't come back. And we've been everywhere. Her mom's. Friends'. But there's been no trace of her... until now. See, I was going through Sarah's suitcase looking for a t-shirt that I thought I'd lost. But when I came across a picture (''cut to a picture of Taylor'') with a message attached to it (''fade back to Daniel''). It's from her father. (''Holds up a yellow piece of paper and starts reading it'') &quot;Dear Sarah, I'm not angry with you, just disappointed. You've allowed them to get too close at a time that is ''too'' great for us. You ''haven't'' been doing your job. This is not why [[Lord Carruthers|Carruthers]] and I allowed you to return to your friends. You've developed too many feelings for them and you've lost sight of what's at stake. This picture should remind you. Now that your sister knows the truth, you can no longer protect her. Do ''not'' underestimate my loyalty to [[The Order]]. Bring Jonas to me by the first or you ''will'' be an only child. Dad.&quot; The others haven't seen this yet. I- I don't know what to do. But I don't wanna believe this. That- that this is all a lie. That she's working for them. I deserve the truth. So do you! I'm gonna set up a hidden camera and I'm gonna see what Sarah has to say for herself.<br /> <br /> (''Cut to Daniel setting up the camera'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' (''In another room'') Daniel, are you in here? (''Daniel jumps up and tries to act normal'') Hey. (''Comes into view'') You heard anything from Taylor?<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' No.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' (''Looks on the bed behind Daniel'') You- you went through my things?<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Sarah, please just tell me the truth. You know, before I accuse you of anything, please tell me that's not true!<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I don't know what you're talking about.<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Sarah! I'm serious!<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I don't know what you're talking about. <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Tell me the truth!<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I don't-<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' (''Grabs Sarah'') Tell me!<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I was trying to save your lives, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' (''Pushes Sarah away and sits on the bed'') Save our lives?<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Yeah, look, (''kneels in front of Daniel'') please- I- I can't- I can't explain, but I love you and you have to know that, okay?<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' I can't believe this is happening. Why? How could you do this to me?<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' He made me do it! <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' What?<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' When I went back last year and I found out what my dad was up to, I confronted him and when I did he went ballistic. He told me that if I told anyone, he would kill them both: my mom ''and'' Taylor. That's when he forced me to come back to you. Okay? He told me that I had to keep him and The Order updated on all your movements.<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' The whole...<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' That way they were always one step ahead.<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' (''Yelling'') You betrayed us, Sarah! (''Jumps up'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I'm sorry, but what did you want me to do? (''Gets up'') <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Don't you understand?<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I'm sorry! <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' You betrayed ''me''! <br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I tried to stay away. (''Sits on the bed'') I even went to the [[Lullaby Project]] to protect you but you had to come and get me! <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Oh, protect me.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Yes, to protect you! (''Jumps up'') And you know what? It's me who's been sending you those messages to lead you to [[The Resistance]] and to save Jonas. That was me!<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Oh, don't even try and spin this! <br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' What was I supposed to do, Daniel? <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' I- (''steps away'')<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Please tell me I didn't have a choice! <br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' I can't even ''look'' at you right now. Just-<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Daniel-<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' No. I have to get the others.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' No, you can't do that, okay? You can't- look. (''Grabs Daniel and puts her head on his'')<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' Sarah.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Look. Look, we can do this, okay? We can figure this out.<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' No.<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' Just you and me.<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' No! <br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' We can still be friends!<br /> <br /> '''Daniel:''' (''Screaming'') THAT (''throws Sarah forcefully on the bed'') is impossible! Okay? <br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' They're gonna kill Taylor!<br /> <br /> (''Daniel goes to walk out of the room and Sarah runs over to where the camera is. She picks up an object and smashes Daniel over the head with it. A shattering noise is heard, along with a grunt from Sarah, and Daniel can be seen falling backwards onto the floor of the bedroom. Sarah walks back in with the object''.)<br /> <br /> '''Sarah:''' I won't let them kill my sister. I won't do it. (''Walks out'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *This video confirms the suspicion that Sarah was placed back into TAAG as a plant by the Order and that she was the one who left the DVD on Jonas's car in [[No Way To Live]].<br /> *Sarah picks up some sort of vase made from glass and smashes Daniel over the head with it, and the sound of shattering glass is clearly heard as Daniel falls. However, Sarah puts the object back down on the ground, after Daniel is unconscious. The object is completely intact despite the sound of shattering glass.</div>

TraverseTown http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Nikki_Bower&diff=135556 2008-07-11T03:57:26Z

<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Person<br /> | name = Nikki Bower<br /> | image = NBR007-NikkiOutsideGemmaApartment.jpg<br /> | age = <br /> | birthday = (&quot;Pisces&quot;)<br /> | youtube = NikkiBowerReport<br /> | revver = NikkiBower<br /> | myspace = nikkibowerreport<br /> | forum-posts = NikkiBowerReport<br /> | bebo = NikkiBower<br /> | actor = [[Alli Danziger]]<br /> | first = [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]]<br /> | last = [[KateModern S2 Week 16 Recap]]<br /> | color = #96c<br /> | blogs = [[:Category:Nikki Bower videos|List of Nikki Bower videos]]<br /> }}<br /> '''Nikki Bower''' is a [[YouTube]]/[[Revver]] user who has posted several fan videos in which she purports to be an investigative reporter following a trail of clues all over the country to investigate and help [[Bree]] and her friends. She recently graduated college with a [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1|Journalism major]], often conducts her investigations by interviewing people in a &quot;man on the street&quot; style of reporting. She is a big fan of [[Watchers Everywhere|Nancy Drew]], and considers her her idol. She also has had a [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8|long-standing crush]] on Jonas, and often comments on his toned physique.<br /> <br /> Nikki [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates|admits]] that she is not a science expert, can't really decode codes, doesn't really know much about the [[water theme|water]] or marine biology, and can't swim. However, she is ''always'' there for Bree and her friends when they need her [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|most]].<br /> <br /> ==Background==<br /> ===Hot on the Trail===<br /> Nikki Bower began posting videos in November of 2006, soon after Bree's religion was revealed to have dark intentions. The complex nature of what was happening intrigued her, and she decided to investigate. following a tip from a [[Breeiswaiting|mysterious source]], she started out at [[Topanga Canyon]], where the &quot;Ceremony&quot; had taken place a few weeks earlier. There, she found a box containing what was later [[A Watcher|revealed]] to be a [[Watcher]] symbol, along with a lock of hair on the inside. After Bree and Daniel [[On The Run|go on the run]], she [[Watchers Everywhere|attempts]] to locate the hotel they are staying at, but to no avail. However, she [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5|successfully located]] a movie theater that [[Date With P. Monkey|Bree had visited]] shortly before Thanksgiving, but found no sign of them. While there, however, she discusses the [[OPAPHID]] acronym, and reveals that she is aware that [[OpAphid]] is a person as well, and that she had responded to a message Nikki had sent her regarding the acronym, saying that there were many fairy tales people tell children.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Slurpee.JPG|thumb|left|Nikki enjoys an Orange Slurpee.]]<br /> After Jonas posts [[Trust Issues|a video]] offering Daniel and Bree shelter, Nikki [[Where Is Jonas?|decides]] to check to see whether he is sincere or not, but is unable to locate his house. However, she reveals that she personally finds Jonas to be trustworthy. When [[Gemma]] is [[Gemma? (Part II)|revealed not to be trustworthy]], Nikki [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7|focuses her efforts]] on trying to find out more about her. She locates Gemma's apartment building in LA, and waits in the shadows, eventually spotting Gemma and [[Lucy]]. Shortly after she is [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8|informed]] by her &quot;producers&quot; that she is being sent to an undisclosed location over the New Year, she has to put her investigation on hold, although she finds the time to try to find the warehouse Daniel and Bree stayed at while [[Homeless]]. She posts a video wishing everyone a happy holiday, and asks Jonas to call her.<br /> <br /> Upon [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9|her return]], she reveals that she was in the Middle East, but doesn't elaborate too much on it, instead focusing on what happened while she was gone. She goes to the Coral Tree Cafe where Bree and her dad met, but doesn't find much there to go on. A [[Investigating Pins and Pints|few weeks later]], she tries to find the bowling alley where Daniel [[Truth or Dare|lost his ID]], but finds nothing useful there either. Frustrated, she decides to focus back on Gemma, but puts the venture on hold when Daniel [[Daniel's Missing!|goes missing]]. She [[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates|attempts]] to locate [[The Cowboy]], but becomes nervous when it appears that she is being watched. She [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates|decides]] to look into Gemma after all, but finds no trace of where she is or that something had happened to her. Disappointed, she buys an Orange Slurpee. <br /> <br /> ===Breakthroughs===<br /> Nikki finally begins making [[Look Who I Found!!!|major breakthroughs]] in the investigation, and she successfully locates Lucy's apartment building. She gets a clear shot of Lucy entering the building, and decides to find her way inside to spy on her. She and her [[Nikki's mom|camera-person]] climb over a gate and make their way onto Lucy's balcony. There, they spot her making martinis at 11:00 in the morning, and Nikki decides to leave, as it is clear that Lucy is having company.<br /> <br /> After [[TAAG|BDJ]] go to [[Jonas's cabin]], Nikki [[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates|decides]] that she would be of better use if she did some investigating from home (stemming from her dislike of the cold). She brainstorms on what the initials on Jonas's father's manuscript could stand for, and asks Jonas if he could take off his shirt. Feeling festive, Nikki [[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates|decides]] to make a pilot for a cooking show, which ends badly after she burns the food. This can be attributed to her classifying the guests at [[Alex]]'s party as in or out of the Order, and expresses her dislike of [[Beth]], another reporter.<br /> <br /> [[Image:NBR017-NikkiGloves-cropped.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki B. gets to work.]]<br /> She [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates|decides]] to do some on-the-scene investigating once more after BDJ are captured in Las Vegas, and she receives a tip from a mysterious informant giving her the address of an [[EPOGEN]] warehouse. She decides to go to the address on the shipping label of the boxes stored inside, and discovers that it's actually a motel room. Upon making her way inside, Nikki finds evidence suggesting that the occupant was the person who had captured BDJ in the desert, including a message on his Blackberry reading &quot;Retrieve the girl. The principles of the Hymn of One have failed us. Beware the Watchers because they will go to any lengths to protect her.&quot; Nikki also discovers a plethora of drug paraphernalia stashed inside the room as well, later [[Proceed with Caution|revealed]] to be [[Shadow]] drugs.<br /> <br /> Nikki continues to make progress, and [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates|identifies a girl]] on YouTube, [[Jules|callmejules24]], as the new Ceremony girl [[Alex]] [[The Perfect Beach|referred to]] while in Mexico. Another user, [[Taylor|soccerstar4ver A.K.A. Taylor]] [[I Recognize Her!|provided information]] regarding her location: Zavalla, Texas. Nikki [[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates|decides]] to go there and try to help BDJ, however, in a forum post, she reveals that she had &quot;a run-in with a bull at the rodeo&quot; and was unable to continue. She mentions that she has been doing some serious investigating during her recuperation, The nature of which wasn't revealed until [[My Eternal Song|her next video]]: Undercover at a Hymn of One retreat.<br /> <br /> When she is [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates|kicked out]] after being caught with chocolate, she reveals the day to day activities of Hymn of One members. They drink Orange Blossom tea, watch M. Night Shyamalan movies, and sleep with their windows open. At one point, she broke into one of their sheds, and found it filled with First Edition Nancy Drew books. Once she has left, she reaches out to [[Spencer]], and offers her assistance to the [[TAAG]].<br /> <br /> ===Tagging along after TAAG===<br /> She is given the opportunity to help when the TAAG are trapped in a warehouse by [[Bree's Watcher]]. She goes to [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|pick up]] a message regarding Bree's location from an [[Swallow|associate]] of the mysterious [[Deep Throat (character)|Deep Throat]], and, with the assistance of forum-member [[Jerry|VoyBoy]], [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 5 of 12 - 12 pm|rescues TAAG]]. Although Nikki's help proved vital, TAAG were ultimately unable to save Bree.<br /> <br /> [[Image:NBR023-Nikkiandpicture.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki and a photograph of Jonas.]]<br /> When [[Claire|LaRezisto]] began posting videos immediately after Bree's death, Nikki and members of the forum [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;t=13393&amp;p=481838&amp;hilit=#p481838 brainstormed] to try to figure out what it meant. They manage to successfully track down the location of the graffiti seen in the video of the LaRezisto symbol. After this, Nikki watched from a distance as events continued to unfold, but her desire to investigate wins out, and in a fit of &quot;stir&quot; crazy, [[When Nikki Attacks...|breaks into]] [[The rented house]] to find out more about what was going on. Nobody was home, so Nikki proceeded to fantasize about Jonas and talk about it to the camera. After getting that out of her system, Nikki begins to seriously investigate [[Claire]] and LaRezisto in general. Once Claire was revealed to be a [[Shadow]], Nikki [[Claire's Hideout - NBR Investigates|investigated]] the abandoned house that she had used as a headquarters. Though she doesn't find anything new, she uses the opportunity to express her distrust of [[Sonia]] and [[Virgil]].<br /> <br /> Once the situation resolves itself, TAAG focuses on [[Lullaby Project|the project]] that Sonia had informed them of. Jonas and Sarah were &quot;abducted&quot; by the supply van they were investigating and ended up at the Lullaby Project itself. Eager to help, Nikki [[Groping (Alone) in the Dark|decides to hide]] in a similar van in hopes that it will take her to the Lullaby Project. However, the truck ended up in Koreatown. Utterly lost, Nikki somehow made her way to Mexico, but got held up in Tijuana after her mother/camerawoman fell in love with the club scene. While her mother was out partying, Nikki [[Nikki Tied Up|evaluated]] the events of the last few months and [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;t=16042&amp;p=536955&amp;hilit=#p536955 helped members of the forum crack] the password to [[Jack]]'s voicemail, and later helps [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;t=16155&amp;p=540705&amp;hilit=#p540705 figure out] Emma's [[Playing With Wood|boggle message]].<br /> <br /> When TAAG discover that a California politician named [[Edward Salinas]] has put a hit out on them, Nikki helps them [[Politics Gone Wild!|infiltrate a campaign fundraiser]]. There, Nikki uses her feminine wiles to distract Salinas's bodyguard so that Daniel, Jonas, and [[Steve]] can take care of him. However, the plan fails, and TAAG flee, leaving Nikki behind. Nikki assists them again by [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&amp;t=17376&amp;p=588634&amp;hilit=#p588634 helping] them [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;t=17379&amp;p=588677&amp;hilit=#p588677 locate] Emma after it is discovered that she is in danger, and also helps to [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;t=17397&amp;p=589579&amp;hilit=#p589579 decipher] Jonas's message to her.<br /> <br /> Most recently, Nikki has provided [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&amp;t=17588&amp;p=596202&amp;hilit=#p596202 input] in figuring out what happened at the [[Prom: It's To Die For|LG15 Prom]]. [[The Creators]] have confirmed that despite the series finale on August 1st, Nikki will make another appearance. Whether this appearance will be in LG15 or another spin-off show, or whether Nikki will be interacting with characters or making solo videos has yet to be determined. <br /> <br /> ==Is Nikki Official?==<br /> === Early suspicions ===<br /> [[Image:Nikkibowerheadshot.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki on MySpace.]]<br /> Since her first video was posted on youtube on November 1, 2006, many fans have speculated about whether Nikki is an official character of the LG15 series. Some fans speculated that she may become an official character eventually, much like [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]] did. Others believed that she may have been created as a source to disclose information to LG15 fans without straight-out saying it in one of the other official videos. On January 25, 2007, after Nikki Bower was identified as being played by actress [[Alli Danziger]], Nikki posted a disclaimer that she was not canon. However, on April 17, 2007, Bree referred to Nikki by name for the first time in [[New Girl]], making references to Nikki's most recent video, which strongly suggests that Nikki has moved into a more canonish status.<br /> <br /> The production value of her videos always suggested she may be an official character; however her videos lack the repeated cuts found in other canon videos (which gave away both [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]]). This suggests that her videos are not edited by the lg15 team. In her first video she displayed the full URL of the forum, which many fans speculated might point to her being official (trying to attract fans to the forum).<br /> <br /> In comments after Nikki's sixth video &quot;[[Where Is Jonas?]]&quot; a YouTuber called Memewhile declared &quot;This is another actor hired by the Creative Artist agency in LA as part of the Lonelygirl15 series. She is reading a script written by [[Mesh Flinders | Ramesh Flinders]]&quot;. Nikki responded by saying innocently, &quot;Who's Ramesh?&quot;<br /> <br /> === More clues ===<br /> [[Image:NBR2.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki first shows us the Watcher symbol.]]<br /> The most significant clue that points to her being an official character is found in her video [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]]. In this video, Nikki Bower finds a small box near the site of [[The Ceremony]] with a lock of blond hair in it. Engraved on the top of the box is the [[Watcher]] symbol. This video was posted ten days ''before'' [[Gemma]]'s video [[A Watcher]], in which the symbol was first officially introduced.<br /> <br /> However, one theory that addresses this issue is that Nikki is simply a fan who has been receiving tips from the Creators. In her first video, Nikki goes to Topanga Canyon but doesn't find anything, and asks for ideas from other fans. In her next video, she says that &quot;I got a lot of tips, and I am back here in Topanga Canyon.&quot; And later: &quot;I was told in a private email message, that longitude may have more significance than we think. And it may have to do with footsteps.&quot; When she takes 118 steps (corresponding to 118 degrees longitude, where the canyon is located) she reaches a bridge. &quot;One of you guys told me to keep my eyes out for the bridge... this is the bridge.&quot; And looking around the bridge, she finds the box. It is quite possible that the anonymous tipper was [[the Creators]], who got excited at Nikki's first video and decided to plant some clues. Later, in [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7 | NBR 7]], Nikki finds Gemma's building after &quot;I was lucky enough to get an anonymous message that gave me the ZIP Code of where Gemma is residing. I don't know if it was from [[Tachyon]] herself or one of her cohorts...&quot; So it seems that Nikki is not exactly an official character, but simply a fan who has caught the attention of the Creators - a pawn, if you will.<br /> <br /> === Nikki uncovered===<br /> [[Image:NikkiB at Greg's wedding-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|Alli Danziger at the Goodfried's Wedding.]]<br /> On January 25, a post on [[Milowent]]'s blog revealed that Nikki Bower was portrayed by [[Alli Danziger]] a friend of [[the Creators]], however, Nikki has stated that she is not canon. ([http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?p=170690#170690 See forum post].) It is clear however that despite being revealed as fictional, Nikki is determined to remain [[&quot;in character&quot;|in character]]. Also, it has now become apparent where Nikki gets her anonymous tips from, however, the question remains whether or not she is truly canon. It is possible that Nikki is working independently of the Creators fueled with insider information. Alli D had done a previous Nikki B style roving news journalist bit as part of her acting training. This is very likely the well from which Nikki B sprang with the blessing of the Creators. Either way, whether she is canon or not, much of her information obviously is. Additionally, many fans feel that Nikki B brings a much needed levity in the face of the increasing darkness of the main story line and are thankful for her contributions no matter where they originate from.<br /> <br /> Since her discovery, she has appeared in a few official Lonelygirl15 videos, giving the debate on whether or not she is canon new life.<br /> <br /> ==Other Miscellaneous Info==<br /> [[Image:NBRNDGTL.gif|thumb|left|Nancy Drew?]]In her video [[Watchers Everywhere]], Nikki reads from a copy of [[Nancy Drew's Guide to Life]], a book that was found in a [[Drop 3 (The Tachyon Mystery Stories)|Tachyon drop]]. She reads the following quote from the book:<br /> :''&quot;Don't discount faint lines or indecipherable blotches on discarded pieces of paper. A magnifying glass might reveal them to be very small words.&quot;''<br /> <br /> In most of her videos, Nikki is walking around and the camera is following her, even though she is clearly not holding it. Nikki never acknowledges a camera person, but it is obvious that she must have one. When asked who her cameraman was by a YouTuber, she replied that it was her mom. (comment on NBR 6)<br /> <br /> The YouTuber Moldova pointed out that a tag on her third video is &quot;nikkiebowerreport&quot; (note spelling with &quot;e&quot;) leading one to ask the obvious question: who spells their own name wrong? However, it is possible the &quot;e&quot; is her middle initial.<br /> <br /> You can learn more about her home at [[Nikki Bower's house]].<br /> <br /> ==Theories==<br /> {{theories|Nikki Bower}}<br /> <br /> {{CharIndex}}<br /> {{KateCharIndex}}</div>

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<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 519<br /> | image = 0519-JonasAtDesk.JPG<br /> | caption = Remember this?<br /> | blogger = Jonas<br /> | date = 20080709<br /> | url = {{lg15|642}}<br /> | forumid = 17967<br /> | length = 5:08<br /> | description = I think my dad wanted me to find this.<br /> | location = [[Jonas's house]]<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|resistance|the order|journal|revelation}}<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = &quot;To Let Myself Go&quot; by Ane Brun<br /> <br /> | cast = {{VidChar|Jonas}}<br /> <br /> <br /> | Previous = Cooling Off<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = No Way To Live<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> Working on it. Please be patient. :) [[User:Foreigncandle|Foreigncandle]] 14:44, 9 July 2008 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * This is the first time Jonas's house has been seen since [[Home Sweet Home?]], which was released on October 4, 2007.<br /> * Jonas comments that he is surprised that his house has not been ransacked by The Order. Ironically, when Jonas last visited his house in [[Home Sweet Home?|October]], someone had indeed broken into the house and rummaged through various parts of the house, including the library.</div>

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<p>TraverseTown: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 516<br /> | image = Jonasnowaytolive.jpg<br /> | caption = Loneliness is so lonely...<br /> | blogger = Jonas<br /> | date = 20080704<br /> | url = {{lg15|639}}<br /> | forumid = 17904<br /> | length = 3:47<br /> | description = So much has happened today. I don't know what to do next.<br /> | location = <br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|jennie|sarah|eclipse|ascension}}<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = <br /> | serprod = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | story = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | camera = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = &quot;Aras&quot; by Curandero<br /> <br /> | cast = {{VidChar|Jonas}}<br /> {{VidChar|Daniel}}<br /> {{VidChar|Sarah}}<br /> {{VidChar|Jennie}}<br /> <br /> <br /> | Previous = A New Direction<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = Going Down<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> {{transcript incomplete}}<br /> <br /> ==Notes==</div>

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<p>TraverseTown: New section: Clore and Baby?</p> <hr /> <div>I added stuff from the new video. Hope it's good.--[[User:Demented Llama|Demented Llama]] 05:07, 30 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Clore and Baby? ==<br /> <br /> Why are Michelle Clore and the baby on the list? Michelle Clore wouldn't have needed Kate or Lauren if she was trait positive herself, AND we don't even know the baby's gender yet! It could be a boy! --[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 19:40, 3 July 2008 (CDT)TraverseTown</div>

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