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		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=No_Safety_In_Numbers&amp;diff=145786</id>
		<title>No Safety In Numbers</title>
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		<updated>2008-11-19T02:36:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: oops&lt;/p&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=No_Safety_In_Numbers&amp;diff=145785</id>
		<title>No Safety In Numbers</title>
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		<updated>2008-11-19T02:35:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: New page: {{Blog | name        = {{PAGENAME}} | number      = 52 | image       =  | caption     =  | blogger     = Jonas | date        = 20081117 | url         = {{youtube|lfB4Ppxclu8}} | forumid   ...&lt;/p&gt;
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| description = This is the only way&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = Boston&lt;br /&gt;
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Chapter 9: New England Ho! is the fifty-second blog in the [[LG15: The Resistance]] [[List of LG15: The Resistance blogs|blog series]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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		<title>Meet N Greet</title>
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		<updated>2008-11-16T20:59:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Fixing cap link in notes.&lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 46&lt;br /&gt;
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| caption     = No one can see me texting...&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Reed&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20081113&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{youtube|NOhMfW5cwAI}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| length      = 0:44&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Sarah, if you&#039;re going tomorrow, BE CAREFUL! -Reed&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;(Jonas and Maggie are seen sitting on a ledge. Maggie appears to be text messaging.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Reed, are you rollin&#039;? &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Reed:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yeah, go for it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Okay, listen, Sarah, I&#039;m sorry. We shouldn&#039;t have let you run off like that. It was wrong of us. We tried to find you... But listen, this morning, well... &#039;&#039;(cut to shot of two men wearing sunglasses and matching jackets)&#039;&#039; Sarah, they found us. I don&#039;t know how, but they did, they found us. We can&#039;t get to you. It&#039;s just not safe. So listen. Anybody, anybody from the community who&#039;s near Boston, you gotta show up, and you gotta support Sarah. You gotta watch her back. She&#039;s gonna be at the Public Gardens at the George Washington statue at 11am on friday.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Reed:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh shit, there&#039;s somebody coming. We gotta go.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Maggie is seen text messaging throughout the entire video.&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas is wearing a [[Cap|cap]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Her_First_Time&amp;diff=145577</id>
		<title>Her First Time</title>
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		<updated>2008-11-13T03:16:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Added description note.&lt;/p&gt;
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| caption     = I think about Reed and Estelle having sex...&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Maggie&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20081106&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{youtube|Jaj2oiiaoXw}}&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;{{myspacetv|45967805}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| length      = 2:31&lt;br /&gt;
| description = She didn&#039;t really hold back, did she? &lt;br /&gt;
| location    = Estelle&#039;s apartment&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* When posted to [http://www.LG15.com LG15.com], the description read &amp;quot;She didn&amp;quot;t really hold back, did she? -- Jonas&amp;quot; with the quotation mark rather than apostrophe. As of 12 November 2008, it has not been corrected. This mistake was not made on the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jaj2oiiaoXw YouTube] description.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Rabbit Hole</title>
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		<updated>2008-11-12T03:25:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: It was &amp;quot; not &amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 41&lt;br /&gt;
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| caption     = Jonas is advocating fun? What kind of warped universe is this?!&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Sarah&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20081107&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{youtube|3cHDraB1DeI}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| length      = 2:16&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Is this opposite day or something?!&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = Estelle&#039;s apartment&lt;br /&gt;
| tags        = {{tags|amateur|blood|cult|extreme|foursome|fun|hole|hymn|jonas|lg15|lonelygirl15|morningwood|none|rabbit|reed|resistance|sarah}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*There are signs that Sarah could have feelings for both Jonas and Reed.&lt;br /&gt;
*When this video was originally posted to [http://www.lg15.com LG15.com] the description read &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;She didn&amp;quot;t really hold back, did she? -- Jonas&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; This is the description for the preceding video, [[Her First Time]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Rabbit Hole</title>
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		<updated>2008-11-09T19:16:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Description note.&lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 41&lt;br /&gt;
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| caption     = Jonas is advocating fun? What kind of warped universe is this?!&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Sarah&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20081107&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{youtube|3cHDraB1DeI}}&lt;br /&gt;
| forumid     = &lt;br /&gt;
| length      = 2:16&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Is this opposite day or something?!&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = Estelle&#039;s apartment&lt;br /&gt;
| tags        = {{tags|amateur|blood|cult|extreme|foursome|fun|hole|hymn|jonas|lg15|lonelygirl15|morningwood|none|rabbit|reed|resistance|sarah}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*There is signs that Sarah could feelings for both Jonas and Reed&lt;br /&gt;
*When this video was originally posted to [http://www.lg15.com LG15.com] the description read &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;She didn&amp;quot;t really hold back, did she? -- Jonas&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; This is the description for the preceding video, [[Her First Time]].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Nikki Bower</title>
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		<updated>2008-09-25T02:53:01Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Needs updated - particlarly the canon section.&lt;/p&gt;
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{{Person&lt;br /&gt;
| name        = Nikki Bower&lt;br /&gt;
| image       = Nikkib.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| age         = &lt;br /&gt;
| birthday    = (&amp;quot;Pisces&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
| youtube     = NikkiBowerReport&lt;br /&gt;
| revver      = NikkiBower&lt;br /&gt;
| myspace     = nikkibowerreport&lt;br /&gt;
| forum-posts = NikkiBowerReport&lt;br /&gt;
| bebo        = NikkiBower&lt;br /&gt;
| actor       = [[Alli Danziger]]&lt;br /&gt;
| first       = [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]]&lt;br /&gt;
| last        = [[KateModern S2 Week 16 Recap]]&lt;br /&gt;
| series      = LG15&lt;br /&gt;
| blogs = [[:Category:Nikki Bower videos|List of Nikki Bower videos]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki Bower&#039;&#039;&#039; is a [[YouTube]]/[[Revver]] user who has posted several fan videos in which she purports to be an investigative reporter following a trail of clues all over the country to investigate and help [[Bree]] and her friends.  She recently graduated college with a [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1|Journalism major]], often conducts her investigations by interviewing people in a &amp;quot;man on the street&amp;quot; style of reporting.  She is a big fan of [[Watchers Everywhere|Nancy Drew]], and considers her her idol.  She also has had a [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8|long-standing crush]] on Jonas, and often comments on his toned physique.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nikki [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates|admits]] that she is not a science expert, can&#039;t really decode codes, doesn&#039;t really know much about the [[water theme|water]] or marine biology, and can&#039;t swim.  However, she is &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; there for Bree and her friends when they need her [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|most]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
===Hot on the Trail===&lt;br /&gt;
Nikki Bower began posting videos in November of 2006, soon after Bree&#039;s religion was revealed to have dark intentions. The complex nature of what was happening intrigued her, and she decided to investigate. following a tip from a [[Breeiswaiting|mysterious source]], she started out at [[Topanga Canyon]], where the &amp;quot;Ceremony&amp;quot; had taken place a few weeks earlier. There, she found a box containing what was later [[A Watcher|revealed]] to be a [[Watcher]] symbol, along with a lock of hair on the inside. After Bree and Daniel [[On The Run|go on the run]], she [[Watchers Everywhere|attempts]] to locate the hotel they are staying at, but to no avail. However, she [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5|successfully located]] a movie theater that [[Date With P. Monkey|Bree had visited]] shortly before Thanksgiving, but found no sign of them. While there, however, she discusses the [[OPAPHID]] acronym, and reveals that she is aware that [[OpAphid]] is a person as well, and that she had responded to a message Nikki had sent her regarding the acronym, saying that there were many fairy tales people tell children.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Slurpee.JPG|thumb|left|Nikki enjoys an Orange Slurpee.]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Jonas posts [[Trust Issues|a video]] offering Daniel and Bree shelter, Nikki [[Where Is Jonas?|decides]] to check to see whether he is sincere or not, but is unable to locate his house. However, she reveals that she personally finds Jonas to be trustworthy. When [[Gemma]] is [[Gemma? (Part II)|revealed not to be trustworthy]], Nikki [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7|focuses her efforts]] on trying to find out more about her. She locates Gemma&#039;s apartment building in LA, and waits in the shadows, eventually spotting Gemma and [[Lucy]]. Shortly after she is [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8|informed]] by her &amp;quot;producers&amp;quot; that she is being sent to an undisclosed location over the New Year, she has to put her investigation on hold, although she finds the time to try to find the warehouse Daniel and Bree stayed at while [[Homeless]]. She posts a video wishing everyone a happy holiday, and asks Jonas to call her.&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon [[The Last Hours of Bree&#039;s Dad&#039;s Life - NBR 9|her return]], she reveals that she was in the Middle East, but doesn&#039;t elaborate too much on it, instead focusing on what happened while she was gone. She goes to the Coral Tree Cafe where Bree and her dad met, but doesn&#039;t find much there to go on. A [[Investigating Pins and Pints|few weeks later]], she tries to find the bowling alley where Daniel [[Truth or Dare|lost his ID]], but finds nothing useful there either. Frustrated, she decides to focus back on Gemma, but puts the venture on hold when Daniel [[Daniel&#039;s Missing!|goes missing]]. She [[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates|attempts]] to locate [[The Cowboy]], but becomes nervous when it appears that she is being watched. She [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates|decides]] to look into Gemma after all, but finds no trace of where she is or that something had happened to her. Disappointed, she buys an Orange Slurpee. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Breakthroughs===&lt;br /&gt;
Nikki finally begins making [[Look Who I Found!!!|major breakthroughs]] in the investigation, and she successfully locates Lucy&#039;s apartment building. She gets a clear shot of Lucy entering the building, and decides to find her way inside to spy on her. She and her [[Nikki&#039;s mom|camera-person]] climb over a gate and make their way onto Lucy&#039;s balcony. There, they spot her making martinis at 11:00 in the morning, and Nikki decides to leave, as it is clear that Lucy is having company.&lt;br /&gt;
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After [[TAAG|BDJ]] go to [[Jonas&#039;s cabin]], Nikki [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates|decides]] that she would be of better use if she did some investigating from home (stemming from her dislike of the cold). She brainstorms on what the initials on Jonas&#039;s father&#039;s manuscript could stand for, and asks Jonas if he could take off his shirt. Feeling festive, Nikki [[It&#039;s Party Time - NBR Investigates|decides]] to make a pilot for a cooking show, which ends badly after she burns the food. This can be attributed to her classifying the guests at [[Alex]]&#039;s party as in or out of the Order, and expresses her dislike of [[Beth]], another reporter.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:NBR017-NikkiGloves-cropped.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki B. gets to work.]]&lt;br /&gt;
She [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates|decides]] to do some on-the-scene investigating once more after BDJ are captured in Las Vegas, and she receives a tip from a mysterious informant giving her the address of an [[EPOGEN]] warehouse. She decides to go to the address on the shipping label of the boxes stored inside, and discovers that it&#039;s actually a motel room. Upon making her way inside, Nikki finds evidence suggesting that the occupant was the person who had captured BDJ in the desert, including a message on his Blackberry reading &amp;quot;Retrieve the girl. The principles of the Hymn of One have failed us. Beware the Watchers because they will go to any lengths to protect her.&amp;quot; Nikki also discovers a plethora of drug paraphernalia stashed inside the room as well, later [[Proceed with Caution|revealed]] to be [[Shadow]] drugs.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nikki continues to make progress, and [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates|identifies a girl]] on YouTube, [[Jules|callmejules24]], as the new Ceremony girl [[Alex]] [[The Perfect Beach|referred to]] while in Mexico. Another user, [[Taylor|soccerstar4ver A.K.A. Taylor]] [[I Recognize Her!|provided information]] regarding her location: Zavalla, Texas. Nikki [[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates|decides]] to go there and try to help BDJ, however, in a forum post, she reveals that she had &amp;quot;a run-in with a bull at the rodeo&amp;quot; and was unable to continue. She mentions that she has been doing some serious investigating during her recuperation, The nature of which wasn&#039;t revealed until [[My Eternal Song|her next video]]: Undercover at a Hymn of One retreat.&lt;br /&gt;
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When she is [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates|kicked out]] after being caught with chocolate, she reveals the day to day activities of Hymn of One members. They drink Orange Blossom tea, watch M. Night Shyamalan movies, and sleep with their windows open. At one point, she broke into one of their sheds, and found it filled with First Edition Nancy Drew books. Once she has left, she reaches out to [[Spencer]], and offers her assistance to the [[TAAG]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===Tagging along after TAAG===&lt;br /&gt;
She is given the opportunity to help when the TAAG are trapped in a warehouse by [[Bree&#039;s Watcher]]. She goes to [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|pick up]] a message regarding Bree&#039;s location from an [[Swallow|associate]] of the mysterious [[Deep Throat (character)|Deep Throat]], and, with the assistance of forum-member [[Jerry|VoyBoy]], [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 5 of 12 - 12 pm|rescues TAAG]]. Although Nikki&#039;s help proved vital, TAAG were ultimately unable to save Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:NBR023-Nikkiandpicture.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki and a photograph of Jonas.]]&lt;br /&gt;
When [[Claire|LaRezisto]] began posting videos immediately after Bree&#039;s death, Nikki and members of the forum [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=13393&amp;amp;p=481838&amp;amp;hilit=#p481838 brainstormed] to try to figure out what it meant. They manage to successfully track down the location of the graffiti seen in the video of the LaRezisto symbol. After this, Nikki watched from a distance as events continued to unfold, but her desire to investigate wins out, and in a fit of &amp;quot;stir&amp;quot; crazy, [[When Nikki Attacks...|breaks into]] [[The rented house]] to find out more about what was going on. Nobody was home, so Nikki proceeded to fantasize about Jonas and talk about it to the camera. After getting that out of her system, Nikki begins to seriously investigate [[Claire]] and LaRezisto in general. Once Claire was revealed to be a [[Shadow]], Nikki [[Claire&#039;s Hideout - NBR Investigates|investigated]] the abandoned house that she had used as a headquarters. Though she doesn&#039;t find anything new, she uses the opportunity to express her distrust of [[Sonia]] and [[Virgil]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Once the situation resolves itself, TAAG focuses on [[Lullaby Project|the project]] that Sonia had informed them of. Jonas and Sarah were &amp;quot;abducted&amp;quot; by the supply van they were investigating and ended up at the Lullaby Project itself. Eager to help, Nikki [[Groping (Alone) in the Dark|decides to hide]] in a similar van in hopes that it will take her to the Lullaby Project. However, the truck ended up in Koreatown. Utterly lost, Nikki somehow made her way to Mexico, but got held up in Tijuana after her mother/camerawoman fell in love with the club scene. While her mother was out partying, Nikki [[Nikki Tied Up|evaluated]] the events of the last few months and [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=16042&amp;amp;p=536955&amp;amp;hilit=#p536955 helped members of the forum crack] the password to [[Jack]]&#039;s voicemail, and later helps [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=16155&amp;amp;p=540705&amp;amp;hilit=#p540705 figure out] Emma&#039;s [[Playing With Wood|boggle message]].&lt;br /&gt;
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When TAAG discover that a California politician named [[Edward Salinas]] has put a hit out on them, Nikki helps them [[Politics Gone Wild!|infiltrate a campaign fundraiser]]. There, Nikki uses her feminine wiles to distract Salinas&#039;s bodyguard so that Daniel, Jonas, and [[Steve]] can take care of him. However, the plan fails, and TAAG flee, leaving Nikki behind. Nikki assists them again by [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&amp;amp;t=17376&amp;amp;p=588634&amp;amp;hilit=#p588634 helping] them [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=17379&amp;amp;p=588677&amp;amp;hilit=#p588677 locate] Emma after it is discovered that she is in danger, and also helps to [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=17397&amp;amp;p=589579&amp;amp;hilit=#p589579 decipher] Jonas&#039;s message to her.&lt;br /&gt;
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Most recently, Nikki has provided [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&amp;amp;t=17588&amp;amp;p=596202&amp;amp;hilit=#p596202 input] in figuring out what happened at the [[Prom: It&#039;s To Die For|LG15 Prom]]. [[The Creators]] have [http://inside.lg15.com/2008/07/09/lg15-questions/ confirmed] that despite the series finale on August 1st, Nikki will make another appearance. Whether this appearance will be in LG15 or another spin-off show, or whether Nikki will be interacting with characters or making solo videos has yet to be determined.  &lt;br /&gt;
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==Is Nikki Official?==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Early suspicions ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBR007-NikkiOutsideGemmaApartment.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki waits for Gemma.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Since her first video was posted on youtube on November 1, 2006, many fans have speculated about whether Nikki is an official character of the LG15 series.  Some fans speculated that she may become an official character eventually, much like [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]] did.  Others believed that she may have been created as a source to disclose information to LG15 fans without straight-out saying it in one of the other official videos.  On  January 25, 2007, after Nikki Bower was identified as being played by actress [[Alli Danziger]], Nikki posted a disclaimer that she was not canon.  However, on April 17, 2007, Bree referred to Nikki by name for the first time in [[New Girl]], making references to Nikki&#039;s most recent video, which strongly suggests that Nikki has moved into a more canonish status.&lt;br /&gt;
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The production value of her videos always suggested she may be an official character; however her videos lack the repeated cuts found in other canon videos (which gave away both [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]]).  This suggests that her videos are not edited by the lg15 team.  In her first video she displayed the full URL of the forum, which many fans speculated might point to her being official (trying to attract fans to the forum).&lt;br /&gt;
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In comments after Nikki&#039;s sixth video &amp;quot;[[Where Is Jonas?]]&amp;quot; a YouTuber called Memewhile declared &amp;quot;This is another actor hired by the Creative Artist agency in LA as part of the Lonelygirl15 series. She is reading a script written by [[Mesh Flinders | Ramesh Flinders]]&amp;quot;. Nikki responded by saying innocently, &amp;quot;Who&#039;s Ramesh?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== More clues ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBR2.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki first shows us the Watcher symbol.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The most significant clue that points to her being an official character is found in her video [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]]. In this video, Nikki Bower finds a small box near the site of [[The Ceremony]] with a lock of blond hair in it. Engraved on the top of the box is the [[Watcher]] symbol. This video was posted ten days &#039;&#039;before&#039;&#039; [[Gemma]]&#039;s video [[A Watcher]], in which the symbol was first officially introduced.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, one theory that addresses this issue is that Nikki is simply a fan who has been receiving tips from the Creators. In her first video, Nikki goes to Topanga Canyon but doesn&#039;t find anything, and asks for ideas from other fans. In her next video, she says that &amp;quot;I got a lot of tips, and I am back here in Topanga Canyon.&amp;quot; And later: &amp;quot;I was told in a private email message, that longitude may have more significance than we think. And it may have to do with footsteps.&amp;quot; When she takes 118 steps (corresponding to 118 degrees longitude, where the canyon is located) she reaches a bridge. &amp;quot;One of you guys told me to keep my eyes out for the bridge... this is the bridge.&amp;quot; And looking around the bridge, she finds the box. It is quite possible that the anonymous tipper was [[the Creators]], who got excited at Nikki&#039;s first video and decided to plant some clues.  Later, in [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7 | NBR 7]], Nikki finds Gemma&#039;s building after &amp;quot;I was lucky enough to get an anonymous message that gave me the ZIP Code of where Gemma is residing. I don&#039;t know if it was from [[Tachyon]] herself or one of her cohorts...&amp;quot; So it seems that Nikki is not exactly an official character, but simply a fan who has caught the attention of the Creators - a pawn, if you will.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Nikki uncovered===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NikkiB at Greg&#039;s wedding-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|Alli Danziger at the Goodfried&#039;s Wedding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
On January 25, a post on [[Milowent]]&#039;s blog revealed that Nikki Bower was portrayed by [[Alli Danziger]] a friend of [[the Creators]], however, Nikki has stated that she is not canon. ([http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?p=170690#170690 See forum post].) It is clear however that despite being revealed as fictional, Nikki is determined to remain [[&amp;quot;in character&amp;quot;|in character]].  Also, it has now become apparent where Nikki gets her anonymous tips from, however, the question remains whether or not she is truly canon.  It is possible that Nikki is working independently of the Creators fueled with insider information.  Alli D had done a previous Nikki B style roving news journalist bit as part of her acting training. This is very likely the well from which Nikki B sprang with the blessing of the Creators. Either way, whether she is canon or not, much of her information obviously is. Additionally, many fans feel that Nikki B brings a much needed levity in the face of the increasing darkness of the main story line and are thankful for her contributions no matter where they originate from.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since her discovery, she has appeared in a few official Lonelygirl15 videos, giving the debate on whether or not she is canon new life.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other Miscellaneous Info==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBRNDGTL.gif|thumb|left|Nancy Drew?]]In her video [[Watchers Everywhere]], Nikki reads from a copy of [[Nancy Drew&#039;s Guide to Life]], a book that was found in a [[Drop 3 (The Tachyon Mystery Stories)|Tachyon drop]]. She reads the following quote from the book:&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;Don&#039;t discount faint lines or indecipherable blotches on discarded pieces of paper. A magnifying glass might reveal them to be very small words.&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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In most of her videos, Nikki is walking around and the camera is following her, even though she is clearly not holding it. Nikki never acknowledges a camera person, but it is obvious that she must have one. When asked who her cameraman was by a YouTuber, she replied that it was her mom. (comment on NBR 6)&lt;br /&gt;
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The YouTuber Moldova pointed out that a tag on her third video is &amp;quot;nikkiebowerreport&amp;quot; (note spelling with &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;) leading one to ask the obvious question: who spells their own name wrong? However, it is possible the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; is her middle initial.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can learn more about her home at [[Nikki Bower&#039;s house]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Theories==&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>LGPedia:Lucy&#039;s Balcony</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: &lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] &amp;amp; [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy&#039;s Balcony]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy&#039;s Balcony]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Welcome to &#039;&#039;&#039;Lucy&#039;s Balcony&#039;&#039;&#039;, a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]].  This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns.  To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;section=new click here].  Please remember to sign your posts by typing &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; at the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Video Dates In Pages==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not a critical issue, but something worth discussion.  At this point we are 18 months into the lg15 series.  There are areas of Lg15 plot which were very important at certain points (like LaRezisto, or Gemma, or Tachyon), that later resolved or become less important.  When viewing pages which discuss key character or plot issues (like Gemma, or Spencer, or the Order of Denderah, etc.), I myself find it useful to know when the videos about that subject were released, without having to click on every video link.  I think in a chronological way.  Thus, I sometimes put video dates into an lgpedia article to let readers easily know when something occurred in the context of the whole storyline.  Like, for [[Ted McKinley]] i put it &amp;quot;He first appeared at the press conference filmed in [[What&#039;s Going on?]] (Oct. 19, 2007), where he helped ...&amp;quot;.  That way the reader easily knows, ok, this Ted guy is not relevant to the first year of the show. &lt;br /&gt;
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We have no set convention for dealing with this issue that I am aware of, and wondered whether we should set one.  I am not saying that every video link needs a date after it like a legal brief would cite cases, but there are articles where it would be useful.  (For example, [[The order]] article has them; [[Emma]] does not).  Even if we don&#039;t come up with any policy, I wanted to raise the issue for people to think about when editing.  Thoughts?  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:19, 20 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Revamping FanFic ==&lt;br /&gt;
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===The &amp;quot;Plan&amp;quot;===&lt;br /&gt;
Right now, I think we are faced with a situation where the LGPedia has become overloaded with fan fiction pages and this is a problem. Now, don&#039;t get me wrong, I am absolutely &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; saying that fan fiction pages on the pedia are bad. Quite the opposite, I&#039;m saying that I think they&#039;re good! But with the massive amounts of scattered info we have now, I think we are making it much harder for anyone to really understand what&#039;s going on. We also have a lot of extraneous pages, (like video transcripts for obscure series that do not add value to the section on that series) which ultimately only overwhelms anyone who comes here to learn more about a fanfic series.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, what I propose is this. I think that we should do a massive cleanup of the fanfic section of the site. I think that instead of treating the section as a free-for-all, we should try to get some sort of streamlined guide to just how each series will be treated.&lt;br /&gt;
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====The Types====&lt;br /&gt;
I think we should divide the fanfic up into five types as far as how we deal with them:&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Type 1&#039;&#039;&#039; - These series get a single page similar to the current [[Lonelyjew15]] page. They consist of one page where all the information you&#039;d need to get an understanding of the series is found. The main things that show up on these pages are &#039;&#039;&#039;plot summary&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;&#039;character info&#039;&#039;&#039;, and &#039;&#039;&#039;important links&#039;&#039;&#039; for watching and following the story more closely. There can be other sections, such as a &amp;quot;Notes&amp;quot; section, but mostly the pages should follow the same general format. The page will serve as a &amp;quot;run-down&amp;quot; to the series it covers.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Type 2&#039;&#039;&#039; - Unlike Type 1 series, Type 2 series will all  be collected together on one massive page where each series will have its own description. Most of the time the descriptive info on these series is similar to what is contained in a Type 1 series, but to a lesser extent.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Type 3&#039;&#039;&#039; - Like with any rule, there can and probably will be exceptions. What would go on these pages would be determined on an &amp;quot;as needed&amp;quot; basis.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Type 4&#039;&#039;&#039; - This type covers any major relevant ARGs or series. Since series in this type tend to be complex, they often will require more than one page. [[Cassieiswatching]] and [[redearth88]] are great examples of this. Because of the large-scale undertaking of these series, this type will have to be admin approved before they can go forward.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Type 5&#039;&#039;&#039; - There are some series that simply don&#039;t belong on the LGPedia at all (adult film entertainment, anyone? :)). These ones do not need pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Qualifying====&lt;br /&gt;
I think each series needs to be examined individually to determine where it best fits within the above types. A strong case should have to be made regarding why any particular series should receive a type of page. Some good reasons would be: number of subscribers, average number of views per video, notibility in the Breeniverse, and many more. Because of this, I believe we should evaluate each series independantly.&lt;br /&gt;
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If the idea takes off, I&#039;m happy to create a page where we can discuss statuses for each series. I&#039;m not going to do that now though, because I want to make sure people are on board for the idea first.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hopefully you guys like this idea, and hopefully you are on board with it! I truly believe it will do wonders for both getting more editors (who now mostly sit befuddled, wondering how to add such elaborate fanfic pages) and for getting new viewers for fanfic series, as viewers will be less confused when the content is laid out in a neat fashion. Please let me know what you think!!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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===Comments===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Yes, I made a section for comments, this would be too confusing otherwise, lol. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, if there&#039;s one project to rocket us to 2008, it would be this.  Everything above sounds like a great starting point.  To clarify, videos &#039;&#039;must&#039;&#039; be fiction, yes, in order to qualify for the above types.  They can&#039;t just be a LG/KM fan responding, commenting, or spoofing (of course, if they&#039;ve made themselves into an in-universe fictional character then that&#039;s different). I don&#039;t know, I just get the feeling that we&#039;re going to have to be painstakenly detailed in our discussions in the matter :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:09, 21 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Since I&#039;ve been trying to get rid of the fan-series mess ever since I joined, I of course support this motion, but I&#039;d like rules on series template creation to be included, i.e. whether your &amp;quot;Type 4&amp;quot; series should get their own blog- and other templates, or if they should use stuff like FakeBlog. I don&#039;t quite feel like eliminating another dozen uselessly created, outdated fan blog templates.&lt;br /&gt;
::It should also be possible to create a Template:FanCharBlock, that simply takes a page and styling options as arguments - so you&#039;d have &#039;&#039;one&#039;&#039; fan-char-block template, and the contents would be located at pages like Redearth88/charblock.&lt;br /&gt;
::I do think your typification scale is counterintuitive, though - imo, it should be an ascending or descending scale, e.g.&lt;br /&gt;
::{|&lt;br /&gt;
!Level 0&lt;br /&gt;
|No pages&lt;br /&gt;
!or, alternatively,&lt;br /&gt;
|width=&amp;quot;20&amp;quot;|&lt;br /&gt;
!Tier 1&lt;br /&gt;
|Full coverage&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
!Level 1&lt;br /&gt;
|Single page, few information&lt;br /&gt;
!descending instead of&lt;br /&gt;
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!Tier 2&lt;br /&gt;
|Tier 3 Exceptions&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
!Level 2&lt;br /&gt;
|Single page, comprehensive information&lt;br /&gt;
!ascending&lt;br /&gt;
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!Tier 3&lt;br /&gt;
|Single page, comprehensive information&lt;br /&gt;
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!Level 3&lt;br /&gt;
|Level 2 exceptions&lt;br /&gt;
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!Tier 4&lt;br /&gt;
|Single page, few information&lt;br /&gt;
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!Level 4&lt;br /&gt;
|Full coverage&lt;br /&gt;
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!Tier 5&lt;br /&gt;
|No pages&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
::No matter how we name a series&#039;s grade, we have to find an acceptable way to rate them that doesn&#039;t look like pure arbitrariness to the community...something with hard data, like combined viewcount of the first twenty videos or something, with no chance to be selected before the series reaches at least twenty vids (unless it ends before that).&lt;br /&gt;
::Beyond that, I suggest creating a Portal:Community, or use the existing (unused and barely known) [[LGPedia:Community Portal]] page to create a portal similar to the series ones, which only reports about Tier 1/Level 5/Type 4 series - like new Redearth videos released, link to series mainpages and similar things.&lt;br /&gt;
::And more or less independent from that, the topic of spoofs that Pheon brought up is interesting...although I agree that mere replies should (of course) not be listed, certain spoofs should at least be collected on a central &amp;quot;LG15 Spoofs&amp;quot; page or something similar (or do we have something like that already?) - because especially milo&#039;s recent works are quite funny and deserve long-term exposure.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 21 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Let me just clarify, this discussion is JUST for fanfic SERIES and how they will be treated on the pedia. Any discussion about what to do about it after the fact is arbitrary at this point, as creating a portal cannot happen unless we have some sort of focus. If we want to create a portal, or any other means of featuring the fanfic AFTER THE FACT, that discussion should take place &#039;&#039;&#039;after the fact&#039;&#039;&#039;. So let&#039;s please not discuss that at this time.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, I agree that there are many notable spoof videos and other notable single videos. I don&#039;t really think we need to decide anything definite for that at the moment, because that&#039;s not really what this discussion is about. However, I think making a single page where we list all of the videos with some sort of description or whatnot would work. Really though, that&#039;s also something we can discuss after the fact if need be, and not what this discussion should focus on.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:47, 21 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some quick points...&lt;br /&gt;
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* I don&#039;t really get all this levels and tiers stuff.  For one thing it does help new series.  If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?&lt;br /&gt;
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* Second &amp;quot;Fan Fiction&amp;quot; is a bad catch all category.  The accepted industry related term is User Generated Content or (UGC), and while that applies to derivative series it doesn&#039;t apply to original series.  The distinction in my mind being that a story be dependent on being a user of the site.&lt;br /&gt;
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* I think you should really work with theCs and BK on this.  There is a upcoming redesign that will effect UGC and the way it&#039;s presented and I assume terminology figures into that.  I would think it would be logical tha the lgpedia be consistent with that.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 21:50, 21 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:In reply to your points, in order:&lt;br /&gt;
:*The idea is not to &amp;quot;penalize&amp;quot; anybody. The idea is to keep the LGPedia clean. When a new series starts out, there is no sure-fire way of knowing how many hits they&#039;ll get, how notable they&#039;ll be, whether they&#039;ll even stick around, etc. Plenty of times we have people create something on the LGPedia when their series is new, and then stop adding things, which either leaves the burden of keeping a minor series up to date on the LGPedians, or leaves the LGPedia looking messy and incomplete, which is not &amp;quot;good for buisness,&amp;quot; if you will. We have also had new series come on and create a lot of pages (some of whom eventually stopped, and the burden was shifted on to LGPedians, often me :() and then they decided they no longer wanted their pages on LGPedia, and asked us to delete all of that hard work. That just seems counter-productive. Instead, what makes sense, at least to me, is when a new series starts, their content can be featured on a smaller scale, and as they progress and we see what happens, we can easily promote the series to a higher level. There is &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039; that says that the &amp;quot;level&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;tier&amp;quot; or whatever term we use is set in stone. Like I said, we are not looking to &amp;quot;penalize&amp;quot; anyone, but to keep things clean and effective from a Pedia standpoint.&lt;br /&gt;
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:*The term &amp;quot;fan fiction&amp;quot; is used in this dicussion simply because it is what the &amp;quot;Category&amp;quot; on LGPedia is called and has been since... well, I&#039;d say the dawn of time, but I&#039;m not sure how accurate that is :P. Either way, it is used in this discussion for that reason, and not to disrespect any UGC or other content-creators.&lt;br /&gt;
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:*Of course BK and the C&#039;s can be in on this discussion. But I wanted to bring it to LGPedia first, as this is, after all, a community site, and when I present the thoughts to BK/C&#039;s, I figured it is best to have a solid idea of where the community stands.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hope this clears some stuff up, at least about where I&#039;m coming from! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:14, 21 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:{{quote|Immortal1|I don&#039;t really get all this levels and tiers stuff.  For one thing it does help new series.  If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Counter-question: Why should a &amp;quot;series&amp;quot; that has barely released one episode occupy one episode page, one general description page, two character pages, two &amp;quot;xxx&#039;s blog&amp;quot; categories, a general category, a blog template and a character index template?&lt;br /&gt;
:Just to add some math to Zoey&#039;s reply: We&#039;re talking about 9 pages for a &amp;quot;series&amp;quot; of one episode with two characters. If the &amp;quot;series&amp;quot;&#039;s creators then decide to be even more important and add pages for the actors, director and other staff, as well as filmography categories for them, then you&#039;re (with only one camera man as staff) at 19 pages for one episode with two characters already.&lt;br /&gt;
:And now imagine this: The &amp;quot;series&amp;quot; gets a mere 50 views on youtube, adds a second episode that never gets added to the pedia, and two weeks later, the projects is dead. And we&#039;re stuck with 19 meaningless pages, just because somebody made &#039;&#039;one&#039;&#039; video.&lt;br /&gt;
:I have said this in the past, but I think I&#039;ll have to repeat it: I have no intent to belittle the efforts of the content creating part of the community - but the fact that somebody somewhere made something and declared it to be connected to the Breeniverse does not automatically make it significant enough to be included on LGPedia.&lt;br /&gt;
:There is certain stuff that, no matter how much effort and love was invested in it, the general community just doesn&#039;t care about. The deciding factors for LGPedia pages are prominence and impact of the page&#039;s subject matter - not personal vanity.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just think about it this way: There are [[The party guests|canon characters]] and [[Cameos|actors]] of the official main series that don&#039;t have their own pages - if we don&#039;t even give every &#039;&#039;canon&#039;&#039; character his own page, why should we add pages for &#039;&#039;non&#039;&#039;-canon characters that only five people in the community know so far?&lt;br /&gt;
:If a series grows and becomes popular, it is &#039;&#039;inevitable&#039;&#039; to branch it out into multiple pages and categorize it - simply to conquer the growing amount of information. But if all information on a series fits on one page with no loss of clarity, then that&#039;s a pretty good sign it doesn&#039;t need multiple pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Zoey: Touching that topic, maybe we should assign &amp;quot;series maintainers&amp;quot; for branching out series. i.e. if LeetBlogger15 wants to add separate episode pages for a medium series, we could allow it under the condition that he actively maintains them, and delete them straight away if he doesn&#039;t. That way, series of a certain size could branch out without you getting a headache over half-finished pages and dead links. If it looks like crap and the page isn&#039;t maintained, it just gets deleted and the creator loses his chance to branch out due to lack of encyclopaedic interest (b/c, if other people had cared for the pages, they&#039;d have fixed them).&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:49, 22 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;My response to this whole thing:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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I love the idea of categorizing UGC/FanFic like this. Right now, the &#039;Pedia is a big mess full of barely notable &amp;quot;series&amp;quot; and the characters of that &amp;quot;series.&amp;quot; (I have to say - and am sorry to say - that I am responsible with the community for a lot of that clutter.) &lt;br /&gt;
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And I love Zoey&#039;s original Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4, and Type 5 ideas. However, I&#039;m a bit confused as to what Type 3 is. Could anyone clear that up for me? What exactly are you talking about by exceptions? Hmm?&lt;br /&gt;
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Just some comments/clear community understandings of Type 1... So, what I&#039;m understanding is that Type 1 is a notable video series with more than 4 main characters and at least more than 15 videos. Type 1 series (whether they are Fan Fiction &#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039; User Generated Content) would only get 1 page with a template - however, I&#039;m not liking the current fact that the Type 1 example [[Lonelyjew15]] has a Person template... shouldn&#039;t there be like a FanShow template? The sections on the Type 1 series page would include a summary at the top (no section given), a characters section with brief character blurbs and actors if known (Characters and Cast section), a section with the production credits, if available (Production Crew section), and a section with links to where fans could watch the series and if there are any forums about it, etc. (External Links section). They would be in Category:Type 1 fan fiction.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now onto Type 2... My understanding is that Type 2 is basically a Type 1 that is not as notable. Basically the same stuff, with less comprehensive information. Right? They would be in Category:Type 2 fan fiction.&lt;br /&gt;
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Type 3... I do not understand what a Type 3 is. Could somebody please clear this up for the community? They would be in Category:Type 3 fan fiction.&lt;br /&gt;
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Type 4... Major ARGs or fan series that are very notable, such as [[Redearth88]] or [[Cassieiswatching]], would get more than one page with Major character pages, Cast pages, Episode pages, etc. The main series page would be included in Category:Type 4 fan fiction.&lt;br /&gt;
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Type 5... tsk tsk. Type 5 doesn&#039;t belong on the Pedia. No categories, please.&lt;br /&gt;
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About using the Community Portal... Renegade, I like your idea about using the now hardly used Community Portal as sort of a portal for fan fiction. :) Type 4 would get episode pages linked, and it would be noted whenever Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 released videos (they would just get linked to their YouTube video page, however).&lt;br /&gt;
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Comments? Concerns? Questions?&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 13:07, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Zoey specifically stated we&#039;re not supposed to discuss portals or any other &amp;quot;later&amp;quot; stuff, I think we should respect that. We&#039;ll have enough time to do that once we figured out which content is important enough in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
:As for elaborating on the types, my previous table makes it pretty clear, imo: You have one &amp;quot;category&amp;quot; of series that get no coverage at all, simply because they&#039;re not notable. The next level gets a single page, with maybe a paragraph or two, giving an overview of the series. The next level still gets only a single page, but more comprehensive information, like a list of episodes and characters, and a general plot outline. The level after that is the &amp;quot;exception&amp;quot; level - these are theoretically on the level before, only big enough for a single page, but for a special reason get the big treatment - [[Lonelygirl362436]] would be such an example. It only has 1 1/2 human characters and three episodes, so it shouldn&#039;t get the full set of pages - but it was made by the Creators and had very high prominence in the community, so gets treated like the next and highest level: A full set of pages and categories, akin to the canon series.&lt;br /&gt;
:And yes, it&#039;d be possible to create a full set of customizable fan templates to be used, in order to eliminate all the custom saved ones.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:43, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Just to add my input here, I like the idea. Of course, all the details have to be ironed out, and one inherent difficulty with the system is that it is somewhat subjective. To fix this somewhat, I do think &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; objective standard should be set (as has been mentioned) like number of views or number of videos in order for a series to reach a certain level/tier. Personally I think view count would be better since having a lot of videos does not necessarily mean that the series is popular. For including videos on the massive &amp;quot;fan fiction&amp;quot; page (or whatever it&#039;s called), I think we should be &#039;&#039;fairly&#039;&#039; liberal in what gets added. Obviously, we don&#039;t want to be too liberal, but it takes minimal effort to add a short description about a series, and it can provide much-needed publicity for a new series. Maybe we could even split this page up into different types of fanfic series, like ARGs, spoofs (if we include them), spinoffs, etc. This should allow more series to be added without things looking as cluttered. Clearly, then, if we&#039;re liberal about this page, we&#039;d be much more conservative about series which get more coverage. Writing an entire page on a series can take some time, and writing transcripts can take a &#039;&#039;long&#039;&#039; time ([[Jonas Conference Call]] anyone?), and there&#039;s no point wasting time writing them if no one really cares. Oh, and I like the idea of the customizable fan templates, Renegade. That&#039;ll standardize things and remove a lot of clutter. This whole thing is definitely a touchy subject, but I think everyone is handling it well. I hope we reach a good solution because this is something that&#039;s needed to be done for a long time now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:48, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I don&#039;t understand why the number of main characters in a show needs to be a factor in deciding whether or not it is worthy of a certain rank/class/type/tier/level/zone/whatever. ItsCassie, anyone? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 19:52, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Nobody ever said it has to be one - it was just part of the example. One new character and three videos is vastly smaller than Maddison Atkins or Redearth are, for example.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::First and foremost, &amp;quot;notability&amp;quot; is the important factor. In itscassie&#039;s case, video view counts would probably checked, and general community prominence would be tried to assess.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:53, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: Ah, okay; I apologize. I misunderstood. The number of characters was just being thrown out as an example, not something set in stone. I agree that notability should be the most important thing in deciding what gets put in what tier. For example, CassieIsWatching, while lacking a large story or many characters, had a HUGE following and a HUGE effect on the Breeniverse (Glenn created OpAphid after seeing CiW, which led to many events in LG15 from Nov. 06 to Mar. 07... Later led to RE88, etc.) --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 21:06, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s my two cents... I agree that guidelines definitely need to be set up. A great chunk of the &amp;quot;fanfic/UGC/Whatever you want to call it&amp;quot; seems to be the &amp;quot;New Girl&amp;quot; pages. A problem I have seen is that, with the exception of the Flock, the new girls are the most frequently... neglected, for lack of a better word. I&#039;m sure there are other pages that also suffer from this, and we should find a way to condense information in places... &lt;br /&gt;
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Credit Categories: The only UGC series that are significant enough to merit categories for filmography, credits, etc. would be OpAphid, Redearth88/MaddisonAtkins, and Cassieiswatching (if said info were ever to be released).&lt;br /&gt;
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Response/Stand-Alone Videos: These should be evaluated on an individual basis. Many of these only take up the space of one page (both video and poster) and function fine ([[Deemontreal]], [[breeiswaiting]], etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Ties to Canon: Videos that fall in the gray territory should also be considered ([[Paulmark18]], [[watchyourjack]], [[Immant]], etc.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Cassiemania: Maybe there could be a page of Cassie-spinoffs that could be restricted to one page, (in the way that the &amp;quot;List of New Girls&amp;quot; page is set up.) ([[Cassieresurrection]], [[Frankiswaking]], [[Frankiswaiting@gmail.com]], etc.) (although some may merit more)&lt;br /&gt;
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New Girl Mania: Maybe same solution as the one for Cassie listed above? Why have that list of New Girls page AND a stand-alone page? (Again, some may merit more).&lt;br /&gt;
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The argument may be made that the level of info given on, say, the [[lonelyjew15]] page isn&#039;t enough. Some series have successfully had more information than that and kept it limited to one page ([[TheLadyLazarus]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, that turned out longer than I intended it to. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:21, 24 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:We need to seriously look over [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girls]]. All of their videos are transcribed and treated as a series. I know some of them got expanded into series or are a part of one, but some of them are just random and really don&#039;t deserve that much attention. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:49, 21 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Series Redesign Discussion==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;This is independent of any discussion regarding tier placement for now, although once we agree on tiers, further discussion should go on here.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
===Redearth88===&lt;br /&gt;
As I was telling Zoey, I want to redesign the base template being used for spin-offs, as I find it repulsive. More on that later. For the time being, though, I&#039;ve designed [[Redearth88/Sandbox|a semi-decent replacement for the RE88 portal]]. (It needs to be done; I hate how it&#039;s being referred to as a portal but looks like a crappy write-up section.) It still needs some work, obviously; I just hashed it together in about 20 minutes. So let me know what you guys think, and feel free to edit away on it.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;On a related note, we should figure out exactly what will be listed as part of the RE88 portal, and what will be considered wholly separate.&#039;&#039; - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:42, 27 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I for one love the new look. It looks much less cluttered than the previous one. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:30, 27 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I also like the new look. Now we just have to figure out what goes to the MA portal and what goes to the RE88 portal.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Madisson Atkins is not getting its own portal. It is, for all intents and purposes, within the Redearth universe, and will be getting a redesign using the same color scheme. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:50, 17 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Note:&#039;&#039;&#039; The new design has been rolled out earlier than expected, since the series shouldn&#039;t be impacted by the ongoing revamp, and there was a general consensus (based on people viewing the sandbox and not touching it). - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:24, 17 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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===New Series Template and General guidelines for All===&lt;br /&gt;
I just gone putting together my [[User:Shiori/Template|redesigned template]] for series that use it. It&#039;s not the best in the world, but it resembles what we have currently and sets some important guidelines that have been argued recently, which I really think need to be hashed out now before we set off redesigning things.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;All series should have a summary on the page. No one will find a series valuable if they don&#039;t know what it is.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(My idea for a standard set for the summary is something of the following, but it&#039;s more subjective than this: &amp;quot;It should be explanatory enough that someone with no idea of what any of the series listed here would be able to understand. (i.e. Assume no one has previous knowledge of lonelygirl15 or KateModern.)&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;li&amp;gt;Please, for the love of Jehovah, follow these standards: Videos should be listed as direct links to the video, unless they are transcribed. Transcriptions are not recommended, but if they exist, there should be NO direct links to the video in the listing (since they&#039;ll have it on the transcript page). In essence, any of the following are a no-no on the listing of videos for a series: &amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;Video name ([external_link])&lt;br /&gt;
[[transcript|Video name]] ([external_link])&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
We want this:&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;[external_link Video name]&lt;br /&gt;
[[transcript|Video name]]&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/li&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/ol&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Keep in mind that the template I designed is meant to be applied to series that will end up in Tiers 3 or 4, but the guidelines should apply to ALL videos for uniformity. Have fun discussing. :) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:26, 27 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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===How, exactly, to handle Tier 4 and 5 series pages===&lt;br /&gt;
I think this also should be discussed. Not only is the randomness of the current structure of pages a pet peeve of mine, but it makes no sense.&lt;br /&gt;
We&#039;ve got pages that are the series&#039;s name a space and then the content name, we&#039;ve got series name/content, and we&#039;ve got content without any series name. I think, considering the more pages we add to the Pedia, the more likely we are to run into naming conflicts, we should put everything (perhaps not characters; that&#039;s what a discussion is for) as &#039;&#039;&#039;series name/content&#039;&#039;&#039;, so you&#039;d get stuff like The Flock/Minor Characters. Please discuss, and keep in mind that we&#039;ve got several classifications of pages to consider:&lt;br /&gt;
*Main series pages (these clearly wouldn&#039;t need a content clarifier)&lt;br /&gt;
*Character pages&lt;br /&gt;
*Video pages (if they exist)&lt;br /&gt;
*Informational pages&lt;br /&gt;
*Actor pages &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;This should only really apply to RE88, but I don&#039;t think these need series clarification&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:The formal name is &amp;quot;subpages&amp;quot;, although we should probably officially activate the subpages feature in the config to get those handy &amp;quot;&amp;lt;&amp;lt; Series name&amp;quot; links. That being said, this sounds like a very good solution to me - you could have LonelyJew15/Characters, LonelyJew15/Videos, LonelyJew15/OpAdolf and whatnot. We would, of course, need some redirects - LonelyJew15/Anne_Frank is not 100% intuitive.&lt;br /&gt;
:One thing that bothers me, though, is the &amp;quot;Tier 3&amp;quot; in the section title. As per the definition, Tier 3 pages only get one page. There are no additional pages to discuss. A simple page under &amp;quot;seriesname&amp;quot; is what it is.&lt;br /&gt;
:And an exception I&#039;d make are actors...there&#039;s no use having a separate LonelyJew15/Jenni_Powell to the normal Jenni_Powell. Jenni Powell is Jenni Powell, Maya Kramer is Maya Kramer, and Amanda Goodfried is Amanda Goodfried. They are not specific to one series.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 19 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Right you are. It&#039;s been so long since we started the revamp, I forgot the tiers. I changed-ed it. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:05, 19 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Personally I don&#039;t like the subpage idea very much. Wikipedia {{wikipedia|WP:SP|doesn&#039;t allow subpages}} for &amp;quot;permanent content that is meant to be part of the encyclopedia&amp;quot; (Disallowed uses, number 3), and I think there&#039;s good reason. Here are a few I can think of for our case:&lt;br /&gt;
::::#Subpages are harder to link to. I don&#039;t know about you, but typing out &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[LonelyJew15/Anne Frank|Anne Frank]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; instead of just &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Anne Frank]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; seems like a lot more work to me, especially when it must be done for &#039;&#039;every&#039;&#039; link to a page relating to a series.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#In many cases, there&#039;s no overlap of names. There&#039;s only one [[Anne Frank]], [[Rachel]], [[Maddison Atkins]], etc., and if a name &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; happen to overlap, we already have ways to deal with that (e.g. {{tl|one other use}}). In the cases where names would overlap (like &amp;quot;List of videos&amp;quot;), I don&#039;t see a problem with just using &#039;&#039;&#039;Redearth88 list of videos&#039;&#039;&#039; (for example), since it&#039;s as easy to type (and looks nicer imo) than &#039;&#039;&#039;Redearth88/List of videos&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#Some characters are in more than one series. For example, [[Tachyon]] is in both [[OpAphid]] and [[Redearth88]] (granted, she&#039;s named [[Aly Zarin]] in RE88 but it&#039;s still the same character). Also, I haven&#039;t been following RE88 and MA recently, but if it&#039;s true there&#039;s going to be (already has been?) overlap between the two, how do we decide how to categorize the characters? Heck, [[War Pylol]] right now is categorized in [[:Category:OpAphid characters]], Category:Maddison Atkins characters, and Category:Redearth characters. Of course, we could decide which series the character is &#039;&#039;most&#039;&#039; a part of, but then we run the risk of making it look like the character is &#039;&#039;only&#039;&#039; part of that series and not any others.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#It would make page names inconsistent and confusing. If someone&#039;s looking for the page on [[Bree]], they search for &amp;quot;Bree&amp;quot;. If they&#039;re looking for [[Gregory Atkins]], they search for &amp;quot;Gregory Atkins&amp;quot;, not &amp;quot;Maddison Atkins/Gregory Atkins&amp;quot;. Of course, redirects are an option (as you say) but why have a redirect when you can just house the page there in the first place without any loss of understanding about what the page is about? And if we end up sticking with the namespace idea for both official series (see [[# Page/Category naming conventions|below]]), that will confuse things even more. &#039;Cause now I have to type &#039;&#039;&#039;LonelyJew15/List of videos&#039;&#039;&#039; for the LJ15 videos but &#039;&#039;&#039;LG:List of videos&#039;&#039;&#039; (or similar) for the LG15 videos. Seems counter-intuitive and confusing to new (and even ol...err, established) editors. Again, we could have redirects, but it&#039;d be much better (imo) to just keep things consistent.&lt;br /&gt;
::::My proposal, then, is to use &amp;quot;SeriesName Pagename&amp;quot; for pages like &amp;quot;Characters&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Videos&amp;quot; and to just use &amp;quot;Pagename&amp;quot; for everything else. (In fact, after thinking through all of this, I kind of still like that idea for the official series as well. Hmmm...) Other thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:16, 19 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Dang you&#039;re persuasive, Jon. But then this brings up Redearth, which was what I was basing this off of. Should we rename all of the Redearth pages that currently use this structure (during the appropriate phase of the revamp, of course.) But should we come up with some standard for a naming convention when pages need to be moved because of conflict? I&#039;ve seen (video), (character), (Redearth88), (RE88), and (RE88 character) tacked on to the end of pages floating around (I&#039;m not sure all of them were RE88, but it serves as a good example).  Standardizing would probably make this easier... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:56, 19 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I agree that we need to standardize. My suggestion would be to avoid making the &amp;quot;tack-ons&amp;quot; series specific, but instead use (character), (video), etc. For example, [[Doctor (Redearth88)]] would be moved to &#039;&#039;&#039;Doctor (character)&#039;&#039;&#039;. However, in an instance where there would still be a conflict (both [[Jack]] and [[Jack (Secondary Character)]] are characters, for instance), then we would include the series, but not the &amp;quot;character&amp;quot; part of it. So, [[Jack]] would stay where it is and [[Jack (Secondary Character)]] would be moved to &#039;&#039;&#039;Jack (lonelygirl15)&#039;&#039;&#039;, since watchyourjack isn&#039;t really lg15. If there was &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; overlap, then we&#039;d use both (like &amp;quot;(KateModern character)&amp;quot;). For all of these cases, {{tl|one other use}} should probably be used, if not a disambiguation page. Thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:01, 1 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Pages Discussion==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Okay, so there&#039;s been some talk as to the condition of the character pages we have here on the Pedia.  Just bring everyone up to speed, here&#039;s what&#039;s been said so far:&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Zoey, I&#039;ve been pondering this for some time and thought I may as well ask you about it. Why is it that we do an entire &amp;quot;story so far&amp;quot; on every main character page? Wouldn&#039;t it be easier to just highlight the big stuff under &amp;quot;background&amp;quot; and pay more attention to keeping up the [[The Story So Far...]]. I mean, it just seems like our character pages are going to be so huge that no one will read the entire thing when we could be using the really good parts of each character background to make a really awesome page for our story so far, plus it would be less work for each character page and more people would actually edit our story so far page instead of it being left for months without any work done to it.  I hope that all makes sense as now I&#039;m looking at it and seems quite long, anyway, it&#039;s not that big of deal, just thought I&#039;d throw that out there. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:20, 19 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think you have a completely valid point. I&#039;ve actually been pondering implimenting something to that effect for a long time. The only thing is, I couldn&#039;t figure out how to do up the characters&#039; pages so that this would work. Do you have any ideas... maybe a mockup of a page idea so I (and others) can kind of get a better idea of what exactly you have in mind? I&#039;d love to see it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:OK, this is proving harder than I had thought it would be. It&#039;s difficult to decide what to do with it. Maybe we should start a discussion or something to get other people&#039;s input because I really do think it would be better to have the character pages be shorter, but I don&#039;t know where to start! By the way I&#039;m not going to be able to do quite as much editing as I have been because people at work are getting suspicious. :( [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:07, 10 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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So yeah -- thoughts, people? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:38, 11 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, first I think we should get rid of any sections that are covered in other places (ie: Daniels relationship section and Jonas&#039;s fan activity section) and just put links to them at the bottom with the theory links. EDIT: I have made a fake Daniel page [[User:Nancypants/sandbox|here]] so if anyone has ideas please feel free to mess around and change things, it&#039;s just my sandbox. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:36, 13 March 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now that I&#039;ve had time to look over the proposed page, I must say, I like it! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:54, 12 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I rather like the page too! I think it needs to be fleshed out in some parts (don&#039;t ask me where! if I could put my finger on it, I&#039;d totally tell you! lol)... I just feel like it&#039;s a bit bare... but really... it&#039;s SO on the right track! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Written policies needed: Disputing edits &amp;amp; commenting etiquette ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy#Lesser Deletion Policy|two]] [[Talk:Recovered Memory#a + b = c|occasions]] in the past two weeks, the way we deal with disputed edits came into question. &#039;&#039;&#039;As such, I feel it is necessary to, once and for all, write an official policy on how to correctly oppose a revision, and how each side has to behave.&#039;&#039;&#039; This policy &#039;&#039;has&#039;&#039; to be signed and endorsed by the administration, in order to give it the necessary authority.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;My POV:&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
In my opinion, the commonly accepted, now disputed policy is the only practical and logical one: &#039;&#039;Do what the majority wants.&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The main question of the disputes was, whether to leave the disputed edit standing and have the disputing side argue why it should be reverted, or to revert to the original version and discuss the changes. In my opinion, it is obvious the latter has to be done, due to the following reasoning:&lt;br /&gt;
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Let us first take a look at how an edit can commonly turn out:&lt;br /&gt;
#The edit is made, and nobody disputes it. This suggests the community agrees with the edit.&lt;br /&gt;
#The edit is made, and somebody reverts it.&lt;br /&gt;
##In the discussion following, the community agrees with the edit, and the change is reinstated.&lt;br /&gt;
##In the discussion following, the community disagrees with the edit, and the revert is upheld.&lt;br /&gt;
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The important part for my reasoning is #1 - no dispute. A certain state of a page can only exist if nobody disputed it. Thus, by the very logic of the concept of community based editing, the original version of the page, the one that is being edited, is a version that was accepted as &amp;quot;usable&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;okay&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;fitting&amp;quot; by the community in the past, up to the point until the disputed change was made. The original version can thus be assumed as a &#039;&#039;community accepted revision&#039;&#039;, in the sense that the &#039;&#039;majority&#039;&#039; of the community saw no reason to change it, or at least saw no reason to propose the disputed change.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now let us watch how a dispute would go under the different systems:&lt;br /&gt;
{|style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #bbbbbb; background-color: #FAFAFA;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
!style=&amp;quot;background: #B8D1EF;&amp;quot;|Common process&lt;br /&gt;
!style=&amp;quot;background: #B8D1EF;&amp;quot;|Proposed process&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|An edit is made&lt;br /&gt;
|An edit is made&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|The edit gets reverted&lt;br /&gt;
|Somebody disputes the edit on a talk page, explaining why it is not a valid contribution to the page, but is not allowed to revert.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|The editor disputes the revert on a talk page, outlining why his change should be committed, but is not allowed to revert.&lt;br /&gt;
|&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Discussion&lt;br /&gt;
|Discussion&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|red|Unverified Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|Decision of the majority - either commit the change, or leave as is.&lt;br /&gt;
|Decision of the majority - accept new revision, or revert.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|style=&amp;quot;background: #EAEAEA;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;Page status: {{color|green|Community Accepted Revision}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
At first, the processes seems very similar, and the proposed process, as QtheC put it, &amp;quot;encourages addition of content and pushes the discussion toward justifying removal, rather than justifying addition.&amp;quot;. However, this does not take into account two very important facts:&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;The revision status during discussion.&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;As visible above, during the discussion in the common process, the page is always held on a community accepted revision, whereas, in the new process, the page stays on the disputed status. In other words, during the common process, the page stays in a revision that nobody in the community but the editor deems &amp;quot;wrong&amp;quot; in any way, while, in the new process, the page stays in a revision that the community has not verified yet, and, in fact, got disputed immediately after it was submitted.&lt;br /&gt;
#&#039;&#039;&#039;Valuing addition higher than removal.&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This is simply &#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039;. There is no reason to assume that an addition is always better than a removal. Removing confusing, incorrect or otherwise irrelevant content can clear up and improve a page considerably, while adding only marginally related, badly formatted or phrased or even irrelevant content can confuse readers and significantly diminish a page&#039;s quality.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;What should be evaluated is the &#039;&#039;change&#039;&#039; itself, not whether the nature of the change was an addition or removal. LGPedia does &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; per se advocate addition of content. It advocates &#039;&#039;improvement&#039;&#039; of content. In most cases, this means addition, yes. But it can very well mean removal, and it is ludicrous to assume that an addition is by default better than a removal.&lt;br /&gt;
To return to the process:&lt;br /&gt;
*In the common process, the community accepted revision is upheld, the community discusses a change to the community accepted revision, and, by this discussion, creates a new community accepted revision - be it one that includes the proposed change, or one that expressedly excludes it.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the proposed process, the rogue user&#039;s unverified revision is upheld, and the community has to live with an actively disputed revision until it proves that it really, really doesn&#039;t like this change.&lt;br /&gt;
What does this mean practically? &lt;br /&gt;
#It is reasonable to assume that the community accepted revision has a certain standard: It has a certain level of visual appeal, the phrasing is alright, and so on. The unverified revision may have been disputed exactly because that is &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; the case. In the common process, the community accepted, regularly patrolled page stays out for everyone to see. In the proposed process, the potentially erroneous and typo-laden revision stays out for everyone to see.&lt;br /&gt;
#Significant changes could be forced upon the community. Take my proposed [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|Portal:Lonelygirl15 redesign]], for example. Following the new process, I could simply install it and &#039;&#039;the entire rest of the community&#039;&#039; would have to justify reverting the change, instead of just reverting it and telling me &amp;quot;we did not approve this yet, kthx&amp;quot;. Now, I like to think that my portal redesign is not all that bad, but remember that this policy is for everyone - by tomorrow, you could find yourself arguing about a horrible 1995-looking table-based layout that includes the entire plot of lonelygirl15 on the [[Main Page]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;And you couldn&#039;t just revert it. Policy would say you&#039;d have to discuss the revert first.&lt;br /&gt;
#Think of the following question: What if the number of discussing people is rather small? In the common process, if people actually adhered to it instead of edit-waring their revision back in (the person I mean knows exactly who he his), the community accepted revision would be upheld even if there was only one &amp;quot;defender&amp;quot; against the editor. The editor would actively have to show the community backs his change before he could push it through. In the proposed process, one single editor is enough to force a significant change through, and now the &amp;quot;defender&amp;quot; has to go out and inform people the page has been violated and actually has to gather support just to &#039;&#039;return&#039;&#039; to a state that everybody backs. &lt;br /&gt;
#Lastly, it is simply a question of common courtesy and &amp;quot;burden of proof&amp;quot; type of thinking - if somebody wants to make a change to a page, that person should be ready to prove that his change is &amp;quot;right&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;makes sense&amp;quot;. It should not be required for the majority of the community to go to the talk page and prove the editor wrong, just to get the page they already agreed to back.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Community backing for a change should be secured &#039;&#039;before&#039;&#039; the change is made - not afterwards.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the end, I can&#039;t help but think that the proposed process was proposed exactly &#039;&#039;because&#039;&#039; it allows to force rogue edits down the community&#039;s throat - because, one must not forget that the common process does not exist to stop changes - it just requires community backing to make them. In the discussions that spawned these proposals, that community backing was lacking. Several times, it was &#039;&#039;one person&#039;&#039; arguing for several days without support from others, but still trying to force their will upon the entire rest of the communtiy. It is obvious how these users would gain an advantage from the proposed process.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let me reiterate this: If someone makes a disputed, reverted edit, and can provide a reasonable explanation for the change, the community &#039;&#039;will&#039;&#039; back him, and the majority &#039;&#039;will&#039;&#039; reinstate the change even if the &amp;quot;defender&amp;quot; is of differing opinion. &#039;&#039;&#039;If a change finds support by the majority, the common process does not stop it.&#039;&#039;&#039; It just requires the &#039;&#039;undisputed&#039;&#039; revision to stay while the discussion is running, and that the &#039;&#039;change&#039;&#039; is justified, not the &#039;&#039;already accepted&#039;&#039; revision.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also note that, in 90% of all cases, consent is automatically given by the fact that nobody disputes an edit. The large majority of edits on LGPedia does not get disputed. No matter how this text sounds on first glance, the common process does &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; require every single change to be largely justified. It just requires changes to be justified should they get disputed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Independent from this, I would like to have a policy on talk page threads, specifically outlining the following points:&lt;br /&gt;
*Indention&lt;br /&gt;
*Destruction of other user&#039;s posts&lt;br /&gt;
The former is something I regularly see in discussions - people seem to be entirely unaware of how to use indention to signify who they&#039;re replying to, regularly jumping back to the grandparent level without a note or connection to the grandparent post. This is not only annoying to read, but also destroys the flow of discussion, and thus confuses readers.&lt;br /&gt;
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The latter is something platy does, in particular, and something I consider highly inappropriate: Placing replies to sub-points of a comment directly &#039;&#039;inside&#039;&#039; of the original comment.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
If I have written a post, that is &#039;&#039;my&#039;&#039; post, and nobody has the right to change it except with my consent. It forms a union. Had I wanted to break it up and intermit it with comments, I&#039;d have done that when I wrote it.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
We have a quote template. Especially I myself have demonstrated in the past how to use it to reply to select subpoints of previous posts. As such, &#039;&#039;there is no justification to alter someone else&#039;s post without consent&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I would like the talk page rules to specifically state that replies are to be made in a new, separate, independent post, without modifying the original post.&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:26, 4 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;P.S.: I am aware that I have followed platy&#039;s style in the recent discussion(s) - as you can see, I pointed out how impolite and inappropriate his behavior was multiple times, but he didn&#039;t listen. I had no other choice but to follow him in order to stay in the discussion, and since my posts had already been violated, it didn&#039;t make much difference. Still, I am very displeased with this behavior. My posts are mine and the only people who should be allowed to edit it without my consent are administrators.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:The first point I&#039;d like to make is that things here are and always have been decided by consensus. And while this &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; mean majority vote, it should more often be a comprise reached among all the parties involved. For example, instead of viewing an issue such as including a note as a debate between inclusion and exclusion, the discussion really should focus on what aspects of the note are worth including and what aspects are not. If it&#039;s the case that no part of the note should be kept, then so be it, but the focus should be &#039;&#039;&#039;cooperation toward a common goal&#039;&#039;&#039;. If this mindset is adopted, ideally discussions will look more like collaboration than debates. That&#039;s not to say there won&#039;t be disagreement (obviously in most cases that&#039;s why the discussion is taking place), but the driving force behind the discussion should be the desired result, not showing how the other person is wrong. Also, remember to {{wikipedia|WP:FAITH|assume good faith}} when it comes to other editors. Despite what it may seem, there is usually some reasoning behind every edit, so try to find the positive side of someone&#039;s contribution and build off of that.&lt;br /&gt;
:Secondly, I understand the point about wanting to encourage additions, so I&#039;d like to add my own thoughts about that. As I said above, the goal is to reach a compromise, or a final result that everyone involved is happy with. So, instead of simply removing the edit in question, try &#039;&#039;improving&#039;&#039; it instead. This way, the original editor doesn&#039;t feel like their edit was worthless, but the disputer also has the opportunity to fix what they believe is wrong about the change. Again, this doesn&#039;t always work, as some additions need to just be completely removed, but it&#039;s something to keep in mind.&lt;br /&gt;
:In response to the main point of Renegade&#039;s post, I completely agree that we need a written policy on this, as this issue has been coming up a lot recently, and the lack of an official policy has made people question what exactly should be done. I have to say that I agree that the edit should stay off the page during the discussion, mainly for the reasons Renegade outlined. If the disputer does not completely revert the edit, but only modifies it, then obviously that new version can stay on the page while the discussion is happening. If, however, an edit war starts between two different versions of an edit (and this has happened before), the original, non-disputed one will be restored until a consensus can be reached on the talk page. Just to clarify, this applies only when the edits are simply going back and forth between versions, rather than gradually improving into a better version. The idea is to prevent senseless edit wars, not to hinder improvement. And just to reiterate, the vast majority of edits do not get disputed, so we&#039;re not saying that every edit must be explicitly accepted by the community. If no one contests it, that can be read as implicit consent and we can all go about our lives.&lt;br /&gt;
:Finally, concerning the talk page guidelines, that sounds like a good idea. Really, it&#039;s just common etiquette, but it&#039;s also something people may not be aware of right away. So if we do have such a policy, I think it&#039;s necessary to be lenient on newcomers who may not be aware of it, and just issue a friendly warning on the talk page, for example. If it becomes an issue to the extent that someone repeatedly refuses to follow the guidelines, actions would have to be taken, but hopefully we never get to that point.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:03, 10 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m with Jon. It&#039;s nice to point out that, in most cases, a revert in order to dispute an addition is &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; the best solution. We&#039;ve been pretty good about making improvements to ambiguous or questionable language when prudent, and adding something about that into the policy might not be a bad idea. The proposed solution would be only when &#039;&#039;it is believed&#039;&#039; that an improvement upon an edit cannot be created and/or the edit should never have been made in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
::I also think we should make a move to limit the people with the ability to use that happy &amp;quot;revert&amp;quot; button to only do so when the edit made is clearly in violation with pre-established guidelines. That&#039;ll probably make a lot of people happier. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:24, 14 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I haven&#039;t had a chance to read this in its entirety yet, but I just wanted to point out that the only people with the rollback button are admins and spam-patrollers --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:53, 21 April 2008 (CDT).&lt;br /&gt;
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::::After 17 days, that is all you have to say about this?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:39, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Sooooo....an entire month has passed and the administration unanimously decided to be indecisive and ignore the issue. And yet you complain when there are edit wars. Hypocrites.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:37, 4 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Auto-generating EpHeader inside the Blog template ==&lt;br /&gt;
I will be the first to admit, this is random. But, at least in my mind, it might actually be a good idea. The [[Template:Blog|Blog template]] can detect whether an episode number is actually a number, and based on that, generate the Epcode or KMEpcode template accordingly. Going along the same principle, why can&#039;t we use the same test to auto-generate {{tl|EpHeader}} with the blog template? I, for one, would absolutely &#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039; not having to make sure the episode numbers match between the blog template and the epheader template, as having them NOT match happens probably more than it should.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Obviously we would have the epheader template pull the blog name, as well, so we could have the special characters when needed.&lt;br /&gt;
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What does everyone else think? I know LGBot and EvilRenegade might hate the suggestion, considering the work they&#039;d have to do... :p&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Summary for people who are confused about what I just said:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
We currently have to do (essentially) {{tl|Blog}}{{tl|EpHeader}} on each episode page. I&#039;m suggesting making it so that you&#039;d only have to do {{tl|Blog}} on an episode page. All with no added user-side parameters! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:05, 15 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The current setup is as it is because, in the past, custom intro-paragraphs for episodes were not uncommon. We couldn&#039;t check how the headers of each episode looked like, so we just made LGBot add it everywhere so we could move around or remove the template where necessary.&lt;br /&gt;
:I believe for KM I included EpHeader from the start, for this exact reason.&lt;br /&gt;
:So while I agree it might be easier, all 450+ episodes would have to be checked to be sure it worked.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:50, 15 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::From what I can see (I only checked out about 50 blogs. I&#039;ve edited more than that recently to get a pretty good sample size), all of the videos that this would apply to are currently using the EpHeader template. (Well, plus some additional verbage, but that would stay intact. So I can&#039;t see a problem. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:57, 15 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Yep. Jon and I got this worked out last night. Discussion closed. :p&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 07:37, 16 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Puzzle Revamp==&lt;br /&gt;
::&#039;&#039;For a more detailed explanation, see [[Talk:Lonelygirl15 puzzles#The Puzzle &amp;quot;Revamp&amp;quot;]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
I know several people are going to kill me for doing this, but I&#039;m proposing that another &amp;quot;revamp&amp;quot; take place. Please note, it is on a much smaller scale than the one taking place, and is only in reference to puzzles in [[Lonelygirl15]] (including [[OpAphid]] and [[Jumper]]) and [[KateModern]] and how they are organized and represented on the pedia. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:54, 19 April 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::For one, afaik, Jumper is not canon. At least we made very sure to limit its display on LGPedia. And for two, the only thing I constantly thought during reading both pages was &amp;quot;wtf?&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why do you want this? What purpose does it serve? Why forcefully limit the amount of space a puzzle can have?&lt;br /&gt;
:::For one, UGC puzzles fall under the general UGC Tier system. If you&#039;re not Tier 4 or higher, you can&#039;t even make a separate puzzle page anyway. So the only puzzles we&#039;re really talking about are OpAphid, LG15 and similar ones.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And these are finite.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The UGC revamp had to happen because any series keeps growing and growing and growing, and if a series is featured, it sucks when the pages are not up to date, and if a series is not all that notable, it sucks when it takes up more and more space. This does not apply to puzzles. Puzzles are over when they&#039;re over, and there are only two possibilities - either you covered them completely with both puzzle and solution, or you didn&#039;t. They don&#039;t grow after complete coverage. As such, there is no need to limit their expansion.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Series that are not notable do not get to create puzzle pages in the first place. Series that do get to create puzzle pages cannot expand them beyond &amp;quot;everything&amp;quot;. Either a puzzle is covered completely, or it is not. There is no middle ground. If puzzles are so small they can be grouped on a single page, but aren&#039;t, this can be fixed as part of the normal pedia procedure, without a grand revamp.&lt;br /&gt;
:::As such, I, personally, think this revamp is unnecessary and unrealistic.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:18, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
From what I understand, the proposition only affects series that would already merit puzzle pages? Is this correct? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:50, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:That is correct. This only affects puzzles for Lonelygirl15, KateModern, and OpAphid. (Jumper falls into a gray area, so I&#039;m not exactly sure what to label it). Renegade is correct in that UGC series follow the guildlines set up by the revamp (i.e. Redearth88, Maddison Atkins. The Coalition, etc. are not part of the discussion. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:56 21 April 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::EDIT: I just read Renegade&#039;s message again. The problem is that some puzzles are small enough to be lumped together in one page, and some have more info. This is evident simply by viewing the [[Lonelygirl15 puzzles]] page. I admit, &amp;quot;Revamp&amp;quot; is probably the wrong word to use. Analysis maybe? Whatever the word, it looks strange if some puzzles are together on one page, while others have their own page (and if we grant each their own page, some puzzles have barely enough info to merit one. Should there be some index where one can access all the puzzles easily without searching through categories, or what? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:33, 21 April 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::But that is exactly my point - either the puzzle description is complete, or not. Some are big enough to need entire pages, some are tiny and can live with a few lines. You cannot just cut down a puzzle description that&#039;s a page long - you&#039;ll either miss the puzzle, or the solution.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And, like I said before, if any of the standalone puzzles don&#039;t merit their own pages, they can be put on the collective puzzle page as part of normal pedia operation - no need for a larger project.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:39, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lowercase letters starting titles of pages ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am a bit confused on this. Why can&#039;t a lowercase letter begin the title of a page? I know, technical restrictions, but Wikipedia apparently can do that... Just a thought. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 12:22, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Long story short, Wikipedia uses a plugin that isn&#039;t installed on the LG15 version of the MediaWiki. That&#039;s not to say it couldn&#039;t be, only that it isn&#039;t currently. There was another work-around Wikipedia had at one point, but IIRC, it was some crazy javascript that only worked part of the time. Plus, if you&#039;ll notice, all of Wikipedia&#039;s pages are still upper-case only, they just have a template that allows the title of the page to appear lowercase. At that point, I think you&#039;re more arguing semantics. (Our current blog template will show the title in the text of the page correctly, regardless of formatting.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 00:11, 12 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alternative to revamp proposal==&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing as the revamp seems to have fallen through, I&#039;d like to make a proposition. Instead of a tier system, we have the consensus system. Basically, every &#039;&#039;&#039;series&#039;&#039;&#039; has the opportunity to have a comprehensive single page on the lgpedia. If someone believes that more pages are merited, they can propose it on the article&#039;s talk page. However, if the consensus allows for the expansion to occur, there has to be a user (or users) willing to take responsibility for their upkeep. Please keep in mind that this is just a proposal, and some details still have to be hashed out. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13 August 208 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::You might want to take this discussion over to Lucy&#039;s Balcony so that this page can focus on the actual series that need work on their pages.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:30, 13 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree to this, in principle. HOWEVER, I do think we need to set up a minimum requirement for creating new pages, as people did go all willy-nilly last time. We do have a videos/minor series page, and I&#039;d like to continue using it and/or fuse it into the new series page somehow. I&#039;d say we need some requirements like this (and this is just my thoughts on the matter, mind):&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;In order to justify series page:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:1. Series must be &amp;quot;significant&amp;quot; (in the eyes of the community). Generally speaking, this would require:&lt;br /&gt;
::a. Series must have x videos (5?) or a serious indication of numerous videos or longevity.&lt;br /&gt;
::&#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::b. Series (or video) was featured on Inside LG15.&lt;br /&gt;
:2. Series page must have a justifiable amount of content. No single-sentence pages.&lt;br /&gt;
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:We should probably establish minimum guidelines for added pages, as well, but I figured having guidelines that people can agree to before creating pages would help out in the long run. I guess what I&#039;m looking for is people to expand or argue my proposed rules. We do really need something, but they shouldn&#039;t be arbitrary like they were before. More objective, less subjective. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:50, 31 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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=Change the Editing Warning Message=&lt;br /&gt;
When editing on the LGPedia, the current message reads:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Please note that all contributions to LGPedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you don&#039;t want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then don&#039;t submit it here.&lt;br /&gt;
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[LGPedia:Copyrights|Project:Copyrights]] for details). &#039;&#039;&#039;DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I propose we replace this message with this improved version, with a less threatening, more respectful and more welcoming tone:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Please note that all contributions to LGPedia may be edited by other users in a collaborative fashion.  By adding content, you are asserting that it is your own work, that you have permission and have acknowledged the work of others by giving credit, or that it has been copied from a public domain or similar free resource (see [[LGPedia:Copyrights|Project:Copyrights]] for details). &#039;&#039;&#039;DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Definitely more diplomatic. One of the problems with a pedia is that people do get upset when their contribution is deleted. Perhaps you could add something that addresses the more emotional issues regarding working on a pedia because ultimately most problems arise from &amp;quot;hurt feeling&amp;quot; rather than substantive facts.  Never underestimate the importance of the &amp;quot;touchy feely&amp;quot; part of the equation which is what I think the original post was trying to do in a rather poorly worded statement.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 15:22, 29 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== All introductions on lonelygirl15 video pages are gone!!! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We no longer have the whole &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;name of video&#039;&#039; is the #th video in the lonelygirl15 video series. It is also the #th video in season #.&amp;quot; I think something got messed up with Template:Blog, anyone wanna go check it out? I&#039;m bad with HTML editing and stuff, so I can&#039;t fix anything. Just thought I&#039;d bring it to the community&#039;s attention! [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 00:42, 30 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Fixed. There was some funky coding I hadn&#039;t realized needed to be removed from the EpHeader template when I added in the Resistance part of it. (It really wasn&#039;t &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039; big of a deal, though... The exclamation points made me giggle.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:39, 31 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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=Banning users from editing certain pages?=&lt;br /&gt;
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I see Broken Kid has been editing a number of the pages that relate to the crew of the new show, and protecting them, i.e., notations say &amp;quot;EQAL-specific (not show-specific) info is locked for editing so that EQAL.com becomes official source of information.&amp;quot;  Edits appear to include the removal of pictures and other selected information about these persons.   Now, I&#039;m not the most active person on the LGPedia, but I do keep track of it generally.  Was this change discussed at all, and if not (or even if so), what do people think about it?  Locking numerous pages from editing makes LGPedia something different than a place to &amp;quot;give the fan community a place to collect information about the project,&amp;quot; as the main page currently says.  The possiblity of this happening is always a concern with a fan-wiki hosted on an official site, I guess.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:58, 7 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::This isn&#039;t so much banning users as locking pages for EQAL staff and cast/crew. I&#039;ve been asked to lock these so that the users or the company can make sure the information on these pages represents what the user wants. The only information that has been removed so far are pictures that they did not supply, ages/birthdates, and personal myspace page links. Because these pages are indexed and found via search engines, people have complained about the inclusion of information they don&#039;t want associated with their work on EQAL shows. So these are being updated, and admins can keep those pages updated. [[User:Broken Kid|Broken Kid]] 13:09, 7 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Thanks for the quick explanation, BK.  I didn&#039;t mean users are being banned, just banned from editing these pages.  Even though I understand the rationale here, it seems like some policy needs to be put somewhere to explain that these pages are not subject to user edits.  That&#039;s important, because one of the primary theories of a wiki is that it improves with collaborative input of an entire community.  So, you can expect pages to be full of information, but not always 100% accurate or logical at any one time.  On the other hand, pages that are not edited by community collaboration can be taken by readers to be &amp;quot;official information&amp;quot;, and thus interpreted in that light as EQAL&#039;s official position.  There are tons of pages on the LGPedia which are written in ways very different than they may have been written if done by EQAL staff, but with just as much (if not more) love.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:32, 7 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::This is just wrong.  &lt;br /&gt;
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::EQAL always had the right to make authoritative edits.  They have turned LGPedia from a wiki into their private PR machine.  What do they think we are... dancing monkeys?&lt;br /&gt;
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::I respect their ownership of LG15.com as private property but I have no respect for tyranny.  LGPedia has always treated EQAL respectfully but apparently that is not enough.  I understand their desire to protect their corporate image but all facts on LGPedia are verified and public information. Exactly what dark secret is EQAL trying to hide?&lt;br /&gt;
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::This is censorship.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Shame on you Greg Goodfried.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 17:00, 7 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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This was posted on [[Inside LG15]] after the above posts:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Update from the LG15 Universe&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
September 7th, 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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As you know, we are preparing for a re-launch of the LG15 website that will include a new homepage (this is live now at LG15.com), the launch of the LG15 social network (holding page is live at LG15.com/theresistance), and a re-designed look/feel for Inside LG15 and the LGPedia to match the rest of the site. We’re really excited about the new social network and the new look/feel. One thing that we are doing as part of this process is to bring as much official information into the LGPedia as possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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From the very beginning we created the LGPedia to be the #1 source for information about the LG15 universe and we chose to use wiki software so that it could be edited and improved by the fans. Thanks to the tireless efforts of Zoey and other contributors the LGPedia has flourished. It’s truly amazing. What we’d like to do going forward is to provide as much official graphics and information as possible so that the LGPedia is up-to-date and as thorough and exhaustive of a resource as it can possibly be. Additionally, we’ve had requests from cast and crew members and EQAL employees to put some guidelines in place concerning the inclusion of their personal information in the LGPedia. We really need to respect people’s privacy and thought this was a fair request. With this in mind Broken Kid is in the process of placing certain pages under administrator-only control so that we can protect people’s privacy and provide accurate information. These pages include all the cast, crew, and EQAL employee pages, and anything that refers to real people and real events/locations.&lt;br /&gt;
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Please understand that the VAST majority of LGpedia will remain 100% community editable, including ALL of the pages and sections that refer to the fictional elements of shows in the LG15 Universe. We’re very excited about the increased profile the LGPedia will be taking within the LG15 universe, including the link on the homepage, and eventually inclusion throughout the site in a more integrated fashion.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks!&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 20:10, 7 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Like I said this is a corporate coup by Eqal, Inc. in an attempt to seize control of the fan run LGPedia.  They always had the ability to make authoritative edits and their was no need for this change in policy. This is just pure censorship. Nothing more, nothing less.  It is supposed to be a fan run wiki, not a public relations mouth piece for Eqal, Inc.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 21:43, 7 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Am I allowed to ask why only certain cast and crew members are locked, and others are not? You&#039;ll find that [[Jackson Davis]] and [[Alexandra Dreyfus]], for example, are unlocked while [[Marnette Patterson]] and [[Brett Ryback]] are locked. Why? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:54, 9 September 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== New Jonas Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don&#039;t I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won&#039;t really mind if it was changed.  I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down??  Then maybe the pics won&#039;t look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design!  I felt like each character had their own little &amp;quot;pedistol&amp;quot; if you will.  Kind of said, &amp;quot;look at me.  I am important.&amp;quot;  Haha, I don&#039;t know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad.  I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn&#039;t save), but meh.  Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I&#039;m not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did.  Eh, it&#039;s sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like this pic, but it doesn&#039;t match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Spencer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn&#039;t he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
:However, isn&#039;t he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
I agree.  If he&#039;s only here for two months, we can always remove him.  I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &amp;quot;main blogging character&amp;quot;.  I&#039;d also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don&#039;t have them, and they don&#039;t seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it&#039;s lack of time, I&#039;ll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something&#039;s up with downloading pics.  If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp;amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, &#039;&#039; &#039;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&#039; &#039;&#039;.  Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, it&#039;s fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OpAphid ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison&#039;s section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Someone!!! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone&lt;br /&gt;
tell&lt;br /&gt;
me&lt;br /&gt;
how&lt;br /&gt;
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put&lt;br /&gt;
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== Outdating ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; or something? She&#039;s not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we&#039;re going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we&#039;re in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t think a &amp;quot;deceased&amp;quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don&#039;t want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn&#039;t take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she&#039;s not just some kind of guest character that&#039;s gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead.  there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:And in the end, don&#039;t forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade.  We don&#039;t want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she&#039;s just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I&#039;m going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she&#039;ll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won&#039;t spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won&#039;t make people automatically assume she&#039;s dead. Just a thought. &#039;&#039;&#039;-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, &#039;07 11:28 AM EST&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn&#039;t been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I&#039;d like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it&#039;s &amp;quot;alphabetical&amp;quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree&#039;s picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character&#039;s appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I&#039;d hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon?  I&#039;m getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it&#039;s going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree wholeheartedly that &amp;quot;Daniel in sombrero&amp;quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they&#039;ve changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 4:05 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that&#039;s where this pic&#039;ll end up.  But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, crap. I didn&#039;t even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:22 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I recently added  Emma in the character section. I didn&#039;t think about having it approved...Der &amp;gt;.&amp;lt; I was gonna to, but I didn&#039;t so....My fault. &lt;br /&gt;
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Bree Portal Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know, I&#039;m supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn&#039;t sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I&#039;m talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, I&#039;m going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree&#039;s Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree.  There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms.  Like why not Jules?  Or Aunt Alex?  Op/Tach/Bro?  I could go on...  I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages.  That&#039;s how I see it at least.  What do other people think? (Oh and while I&#039;m thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree&#039;s box right now?  Too light?  Too dark?  Just right? Let me know!  Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I think if Bree&#039;s staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They&#039;re both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn&#039;t make a difference.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it&#039;s still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::#The series is frickin&#039; &#039;&#039;named&#039;&#039; after Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma&#039;s few side-vids or Spencer&#039;s half a dozen appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.&lt;br /&gt;
::::There is a &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; people are pissed about Bree&#039;s death - just like a lonelygirl15 &#039;&#039;series&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t work without a lonelygirl15, a &#039;&#039;portal&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t, either. You can&#039;t have a portal to Bree&#039;s series without her.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C&#039;s give us a new cast photo.  It wouldn&#039;t be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that&#039;s what you use.  Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere.  I&#039;m no rush to excise bree from the portal.  You know, Bree&#039;s eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::For the record, we didn&#039;t even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere.  Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner .  :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not quite understanding the whole &amp;quot;spoliers&amp;quot; reasoning. There&#039;s a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: &#039;&#039;All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don&#039;t want to see SPOILERS, do not read further&#039;&#039;. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree&#039;s picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There&#039;s a big difference between &#039;&#039;the text&#039;&#039; giving away information you don&#039;t want to know, and &#039;&#039;the page itself&#039;&#039;. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can&#039;t not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin&#039; obvious, and you can&#039;t ignore it - no matter if you&#039;ve just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she&#039;s dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: &#039;&#039;The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk &#039;&#039;&#039;LEAVE, ENTER&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current Main Characters?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma.  I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree).  Yay or nay? ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yay.&lt;br /&gt;
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she&#039;s been gone for about a month now.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I&#039;m getting the vibe that it&#039;s Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m down with that order.  The big challenge is finding &amp;quot;headshots&amp;quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ach... sorry, I didn&#039;t see that this discussion was already going on up above.  But seriously, I think it&#039;s time to change it... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree&#039;s portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice.  I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any &#039;&#039;former&#039;&#039; character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &amp;quot;former&amp;quot; characters.  There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character&#039;s pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in.  The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; lonelygirl15.  She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don&#039;t think she should look the same as all the other characters.  Hence the greying.  I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we&#039;re in &amp;quot;mourning&amp;quot; for her.. so to speak.  Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree).  Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character&#039;s heads a fairly consistant size.  Consistancy = good :)&lt;br /&gt;
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Opinions on new news design? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Known problems:&lt;br /&gt;
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read&lt;br /&gt;
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who&#039;s blogging? I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks :)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Yellow:&#039;&#039;&#039; Newest vid.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Lighter grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Even episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Darker grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Odd episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Dark purple-ish grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Videos with no &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.&lt;br /&gt;
::Usually, this&#039;d lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I won&#039;t deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but &#039;&#039;it is&#039;&#039; growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow.  That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|&#039;&#039;&#039;Baby-Duck-Syndrome&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::hehe...but as long as it&#039;s growing on you :D&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for the events, that&#039;s a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn&#039;t touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn&#039;t work.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I&#039;m the only one, I guess we&#039;ll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they&#039;re probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn&#039;t be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Heh, we&#039;ve imprinted. I don&#039;t have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams &amp;quot;new video.&amp;quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brand New Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures.  I think they came out really good, and everyone I&#039;ve asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m looking for images where they look really good.. then I&#039;m trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot.  So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they&#039;re ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. --  [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey&#039;s design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yay, I&#039;m so so glad you like it!  I&#039;m still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can.  So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don&#039;t like, that&#039;d be great.  Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I&#039;ll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dates for videos==&lt;br /&gt;
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting.  Am I wrong on this one? I won&#039;t change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say they all should list the date.&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it&#039;s also confusing - how is someone who&#039;s coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;Breeniverse&#039; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she&#039;s quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s the term the Creators used so far. We&#039;re open for suggestions, but &amp;quot;lonelyverse&amp;quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &amp;quot;danielverse&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;jonasverse&amp;quot; are just as personal. &amp;quot;Orderverse&amp;quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.&lt;br /&gt;
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What do you think?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp;amp; Gina, who knows?), that&#039;s a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal title image. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.&lt;br /&gt;
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it would look like this:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I&#039;m a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 8:58 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren&#039;s trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change &#039;&#039;again&#039;&#039;, so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where&#039;d you get the font sample from? It&#039;s extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Flickr. It wasn&#039;t pixelated though. I just resized it and because I&#039;m not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:43 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, I made a new version that&#039;s less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::Here:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::an improvement, but we won&#039;t use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:54 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== GINA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND!&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She&#039;s not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can&#039;t even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma&#039;s Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX&#039;S ACCOUNT? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and &lt;br /&gt;
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?&lt;br /&gt;
Why, none other than Jonas&#039;s Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:&lt;br /&gt;
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page.  The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that&#039;s about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==JONAS&#039;S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s not dark? It looks the same as everyone else&#039;s--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they&#039;re maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they&#039;ll motivate someone else to do better. :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steve on LG15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he&#039;s coming to the U.S?&lt;br /&gt;
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?&lt;br /&gt;
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree actually, but I&#039;d give it until Monday. If she doesn&#039;t show up in Monday&#039;s video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;d give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they&#039;ve been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she&#039;s only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she&#039;s left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah&#039;s been a main character for well over a year and she&#039;s been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Redesign ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you&#039;re happy with your new and improved character row.&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The problem doesn&#039;t appear in 7.0. I&#039;m going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I&#039;ll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, well, it&#039;s about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}&lt;br /&gt;
:She&#039;s not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she&#039;ll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore.  Technically, she is...although, she&#039;s not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above.  Same goes for Kate on KM.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Main Character Merit==&lt;br /&gt;
Basically, I&#039;d like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they&#039;ve been killed off and if they:&lt;br /&gt;
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)&lt;br /&gt;
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). &lt;br /&gt;
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That&#039;s just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We&#039;d have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren&#039;t the namesakes of either series, I&#039;d probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn&#039;t constantly referenced, he really shouldn&#039;t be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Order of Characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn&#039;t discuss or get anyone else&#039;s opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really like the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it&#039;s the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Er, we need a B&amp;amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gina on the character row ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What are peoples&#039; thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I don&#039;t really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it&#039;s not like Gina&#039;s the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what&#039;s going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show&#039;s namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn&#039;t really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Zoey.  Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed.  I don&#039;t really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character.  Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don&#039;t want a lot of clutter.  But we definately shouldn&#039;t jump the gun on taking her off the row.  You never know what could happen.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead.  LOL.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it.  Gina is dead.  I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it.  Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  I think that anyone that was on the character&#039;s row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased.  As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row.  She was never really that important.  Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it&#039;s only fair to include her.  In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here&#039;s the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn&#039;t really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn&#039;t have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn&#039;t even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No need to get snippy.  Just because I don&#039;t agree with you doesn&#039;t mean you have to be rude to me.  Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story.  Gemma... not so much.  So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea.  You start to get into the whole &amp;quot;who&#039;s important enough, who isn&#039;t&amp;quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies.  Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don&#039;t need to be immediately accessed.  That&#039;s what the larger &amp;quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&amp;quot; page is for.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &amp;quot;[[Drew Avery]]&amp;quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That&#039;s not fair to Crystal at all.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is beyond true!  Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased.  I just don&#039;t like how this is turning into a &amp;quot;I&#039;m high and mighty so my point is more valid&amp;quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate to have the recognition on the character row.  BTW, I don&#039;t see anybody acting &amp;quot;high and mighty&amp;quot;.  It&#039;s been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far.  The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis.  It seems everyone here treats each other with respect.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I propose that we add a &amp;quot;memorial&amp;quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it&#039;s not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &amp;quot;[[orange]]&amp;quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I&#039;m not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Something along those lines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea at all.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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she should be on character row as bree was kept.  sure she&#039;s not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn&#039;t be where it is if it wasnt&#039; for her story... just gray out her pic.  simple.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Video Screencap Redirects==&lt;br /&gt;
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video&#039;s article?  It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people.  I&#039;ve always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors.  Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well.  Keep it consistant, you know?  It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video&#039;s article.  Doesn&#039;t seem to be a huge addition to the &amp;quot;adding new video&amp;quot; ritual.  Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions?  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right.  I didn&#039;t consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it&#039;s used in another article or something.  Dumb idea.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Not &amp;quot;dumb,&amp;quot; it&#039;s a totally valid idea! I just don&#039;t really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==&lt;br /&gt;
If you haven&#039;t already checked it out, I&#039;d like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it&#039;s been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we&#039;ll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we&#039;ll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we&#039;ll want to include. I know it&#039;s a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I&#039;ve typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I&#039;m coming from.&lt;br /&gt;
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.&lt;br /&gt;
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bree - 153&lt;br /&gt;
*Daniel - 273&lt;br /&gt;
*Gemma - 21&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas - 242&lt;br /&gt;
*OpAphid - 33&lt;br /&gt;
*Tachyon - 12&lt;br /&gt;
*Alex - 15&lt;br /&gt;
*Sarah - 134&lt;br /&gt;
*Taylor - 47&lt;br /&gt;
*Spencer - 24&lt;br /&gt;
*Emma - 62&lt;br /&gt;
*Mallory - 22&lt;br /&gt;
*Jennie - 76&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina - 61&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I&#039;d very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I&#039;m going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yikes. I&#039;d like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don&#039;t think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that&#039;s what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that&#039;s not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we&#039;re talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn&#039;t considered resolution. I&#039;m just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can&#039;t make a realistic mock-up, but textually:&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can&#039;t figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you&#039;d lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I&#039;ll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it&#039;s too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that&#039;s where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won&#039;t just automatically click the Characters link. That&#039;s like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they&#039;ll be able to click the &amp;quot;List of Videos&amp;quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what&#039;s the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel&#039;s page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel&#039;s page on the front page.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&amp;quot;zing!!!!?&amp;quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously.  As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good.  Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; prominent, yet will &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest.  Apples aren&#039;t oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done.  Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I&#039;m a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I&#039;m not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel.  I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters.  [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern&#039;s portal page), and I&#039;m one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they&#039;re not sticking to the top?) That might work... :&#039; --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it&#039;s worth trying, I&#039;ll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don&#039;t have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that&#039;d be great. And the gif &#039;&#039;has&#039;&#039; to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it&#039;s the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They&#039;re the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they&#039;re the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Gemma&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;OpAphid&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Tachyon&#039;&#039;&#039;, Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Spencer&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Mallory&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Carl&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki B.&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, there hasn&#039;t been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;8 smaller&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;d say so. Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I&#039;d say so.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about &#039;&#039;&#039;ten different posters&#039;&#039;&#039; on this discussion page, that &#039;&#039;&#039;just not a good consensus&#039;&#039;&#039;. [...] And yes, Admins don&#039;t need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the &#039;&#039;&#039;lack of discussion here&#039;&#039;&#039; (myself included) &#039;&#039;&#039;just shows such a consensus isn&#039;t there&#039;&#039;&#039; and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven&#039;t had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we&#039;ll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it&#039;s not fair to call me either &amp;quot;blind or illiterate&amp;quot; because of that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &amp;quot;I agree!&amp;quot; that you failed to mention.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::While we&#039;re on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we&#039;re doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn&#039;t until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a &#039;&#039;&#039;lie&#039;&#039;&#039;. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what&#039;s being discussed, it&#039;s a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. &#039;&#039;&#039;Either 10 people &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia, or not.&#039;&#039;&#039; Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was &#039;&#039;entirely&#039;&#039; about the character row. So even &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the &#039;&#039;same thing&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, &#039;&#039;even less visible than before&#039;&#039;, for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it&#039;s all good.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It&#039;s happening. Right here. Right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;proves&#039;&#039;&#039; that I acted exactly as the administration did &#039;&#039;and does to this very day&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Renounce&#039;&#039;&#039; the &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; unproven allegations against me. &#039;&#039;&#039;Admit&#039;&#039;&#039; that the ban against me was unnecessary. &#039;&#039;&#039;Clear my name.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &amp;quot;only&amp;quot; one is a sign that I had &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; support.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::It&#039;s not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don&#039;t have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users&#039; actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::How is it not true?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Fact is, I behaved &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::In fact, you&#039;re saying it quite well: &amp;quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&amp;quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what &#039;&#039;the administration&#039;&#039; already decided anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::You&#039;re trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn&#039;t understand the concept of the series &#039;&#039;ending&#039;&#039; on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn&#039;t by the administration, there was retaliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew&#039;s great skill of &amp;quot;cropping this shit until it fits&amp;quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip&#039;s coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where&#039;s the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Then again, it doesn&#039;t surprise me - I&#039;ve seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It&#039;s like slashing a car&#039;s tires and assuming it&#039;ll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It&#039;s as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go &#039;&#039;under&#039;&#039; the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;because we have a deadline&#039;&#039;&#039;. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &amp;quot;1,111+&amp;quot; members don&#039;t voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. &lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &amp;quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&amp;quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn&#039;t quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &amp;quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&amp;quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &amp;quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&amp;quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they&#039;ll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ll be able to get to Spencer&#039;s page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Then how come you haven&#039;t decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with &#039;&#039;actual&#039;&#039; deadlines.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don&#039;t like the answer, tough luck. I don&#039;t care enough to fix your problems for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration&#039;s bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &amp;quot;major&amp;quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...eight small pictures of &#039;&#039;whom&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::So. Let&#039;s say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn&#039;t revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...who will be in those spots?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...based on whose decision?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You are telling me &#039;&#039;in bold&#039;&#039; that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15&#039;s left column will be one box longer&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor&#039;s Jumper adventures&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And that&#039;s just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::::All you have is &amp;quot;8 small&amp;quot;. You have managed to follow the administration&#039;s lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna play &amp;quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;? Then you better get to work. &#039;cause you have three days to create an entire site!&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only &#039;&#039;decided upon&#039;&#039; 8 small icons. You haven&#039;t actually &#039;&#039;implemented&#039;&#039; it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You don&#039;t have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039; that meets the deadline of doom.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And you don&#039;t seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it&#039;s soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more &#039;&#039;work&#039;&#039; here.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Don&#039;t tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There&#039;s no room for personal attacks here. I&#039;m not trying to fight you, so there&#039;s no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I&#039;m concerned with the character row. If there&#039;s another discussion somewhere, I&#039;ll contribute to that too, but right now, I&#039;m focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&amp;quot;Who&#039;s going to be in it?&amp;quot; Well...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven&#039;t already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::So wait...you&#039;re trying to convince me that it&#039;s rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You&#039;re trying to pretend it&#039;s already settled, then ask people for more opinions?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Either you&#039;re done, or you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don&#039;t have time to discuss this - you&#039;re on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You can&#039;t pretend I&#039;m wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; made a final decision yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you&#039;ll miss this one - at least assuming you don&#039;t decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what&#039;s been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I&#039;m &#039;&#039;sure&#039;&#039; you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think that&#039;s exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; miss you, even though I don&#039;t know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, shouldn&#039;t someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don&#039;t care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven&#039;t discussed what pictures to use and we don&#039;t even have an example of what it will look like. I&#039;d make one but don&#039;t know how and probably don&#039;t have time. And Ren, if you&#039;d have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you&#039;d been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &amp;quot;clear your name&amp;quot;. Why don&#039;t you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Perhaps because the two aren&#039;t equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Murder?! Somebody&#039;s being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it&#039;s otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we&#039;ll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren&#039;t contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely.  [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there&#039;s absolutely no reason why we wouldn&#039;t make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmm...I can&#039;t say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let&#039;s make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay um... how about...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Any of those? I&#039;ll keep looking, that&#039;s just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it&#039;s a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don&#039;t think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I&#039;m fine keeping that. I&#039;m just trying to think of something... happier?&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&amp;amp;W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it&#039;s weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I&#039;ll wait &#039;til tomorrow, otherwise I&#039;ll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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EDIT: Ahh I think I&#039;ve got it. What do you think: [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:46, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the portal*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at previous statements*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the date*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Guess we&#039;re all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Forum Link==&lt;br /&gt;
Now that it&#039;s removed from the side bar, shouldn&#039;t there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Character Row Updates ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of &#039;&#039;official&#039;&#039; appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren&#039;t listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that&#039;s a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just &#039;&#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039;&#039; consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creators.  --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, that seems silly to me. They didn&#039;t list everyone who&#039;s ever been in the crew, but we&#039;re not updating our pages to disclude anyone for consistency. Our method is solid, my vote is to stick with it. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:48, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::You make a good point. If anyone else wants to stand up for Spencer, I&#039;ll support them... but for now, I&#039;m content with the way it is. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:51, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== New Jonas Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don&#039;t I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won&#039;t really mind if it was changed.  I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down??  Then maybe the pics won&#039;t look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design!  I felt like each character had their own little &amp;quot;pedistol&amp;quot; if you will.  Kind of said, &amp;quot;look at me.  I am important.&amp;quot;  Haha, I don&#039;t know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad.  I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn&#039;t save), but meh.  Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I&#039;m not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did.  Eh, it&#039;s sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like this pic, but it doesn&#039;t match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Spencer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn&#039;t he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
:However, isn&#039;t he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
I agree.  If he&#039;s only here for two months, we can always remove him.  I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &amp;quot;main blogging character&amp;quot;.  I&#039;d also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don&#039;t have them, and they don&#039;t seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it&#039;s lack of time, I&#039;ll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something&#039;s up with downloading pics.  If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp;amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, &#039;&#039; &#039;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&#039; &#039;&#039;.  Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, it&#039;s fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OpAphid ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison&#039;s section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Someone!!! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Outdating ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; or something? She&#039;s not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we&#039;re going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we&#039;re in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t think a &amp;quot;deceased&amp;quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don&#039;t want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn&#039;t take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she&#039;s not just some kind of guest character that&#039;s gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead.  there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:And in the end, don&#039;t forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade.  We don&#039;t want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she&#039;s just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I&#039;m going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she&#039;ll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won&#039;t spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won&#039;t make people automatically assume she&#039;s dead. Just a thought. &#039;&#039;&#039;-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, &#039;07 11:28 AM EST&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn&#039;t been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I&#039;d like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it&#039;s &amp;quot;alphabetical&amp;quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree&#039;s picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character&#039;s appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I&#039;d hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon?  I&#039;m getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it&#039;s going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree wholeheartedly that &amp;quot;Daniel in sombrero&amp;quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they&#039;ve changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 4:05 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that&#039;s where this pic&#039;ll end up.  But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, crap. I didn&#039;t even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:22 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I recently added  Emma in the character section. I didn&#039;t think about having it approved...Der &amp;gt;.&amp;lt; I was gonna to, but I didn&#039;t so....My fault. &lt;br /&gt;
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Bree Portal Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know, I&#039;m supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn&#039;t sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I&#039;m talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, I&#039;m going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree&#039;s Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree.  There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms.  Like why not Jules?  Or Aunt Alex?  Op/Tach/Bro?  I could go on...  I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages.  That&#039;s how I see it at least.  What do other people think? (Oh and while I&#039;m thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree&#039;s box right now?  Too light?  Too dark?  Just right? Let me know!  Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I think if Bree&#039;s staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They&#039;re both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn&#039;t make a difference.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it&#039;s still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::#The series is frickin&#039; &#039;&#039;named&#039;&#039; after Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma&#039;s few side-vids or Spencer&#039;s half a dozen appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.&lt;br /&gt;
::::There is a &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; people are pissed about Bree&#039;s death - just like a lonelygirl15 &#039;&#039;series&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t work without a lonelygirl15, a &#039;&#039;portal&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t, either. You can&#039;t have a portal to Bree&#039;s series without her.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C&#039;s give us a new cast photo.  It wouldn&#039;t be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that&#039;s what you use.  Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere.  I&#039;m no rush to excise bree from the portal.  You know, Bree&#039;s eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::For the record, we didn&#039;t even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere.  Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner .  :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not quite understanding the whole &amp;quot;spoliers&amp;quot; reasoning. There&#039;s a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: &#039;&#039;All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don&#039;t want to see SPOILERS, do not read further&#039;&#039;. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree&#039;s picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There&#039;s a big difference between &#039;&#039;the text&#039;&#039; giving away information you don&#039;t want to know, and &#039;&#039;the page itself&#039;&#039;. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can&#039;t not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin&#039; obvious, and you can&#039;t ignore it - no matter if you&#039;ve just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she&#039;s dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: &#039;&#039;The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk &#039;&#039;&#039;LEAVE, ENTER&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current Main Characters?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma.  I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree).  Yay or nay? ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yay.&lt;br /&gt;
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she&#039;s been gone for about a month now.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I&#039;m getting the vibe that it&#039;s Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m down with that order.  The big challenge is finding &amp;quot;headshots&amp;quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ach... sorry, I didn&#039;t see that this discussion was already going on up above.  But seriously, I think it&#039;s time to change it... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree&#039;s portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice.  I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any &#039;&#039;former&#039;&#039; character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &amp;quot;former&amp;quot; characters.  There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character&#039;s pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in.  The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; lonelygirl15.  She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don&#039;t think she should look the same as all the other characters.  Hence the greying.  I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we&#039;re in &amp;quot;mourning&amp;quot; for her.. so to speak.  Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree).  Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character&#039;s heads a fairly consistant size.  Consistancy = good :)&lt;br /&gt;
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Opinions on new news design? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Known problems:&lt;br /&gt;
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read&lt;br /&gt;
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who&#039;s blogging? I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks :)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Yellow:&#039;&#039;&#039; Newest vid.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Lighter grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Even episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Darker grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Odd episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Dark purple-ish grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Videos with no &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.&lt;br /&gt;
::Usually, this&#039;d lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I won&#039;t deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but &#039;&#039;it is&#039;&#039; growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow.  That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|&#039;&#039;&#039;Baby-Duck-Syndrome&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::hehe...but as long as it&#039;s growing on you :D&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for the events, that&#039;s a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn&#039;t touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn&#039;t work.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I&#039;m the only one, I guess we&#039;ll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they&#039;re probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn&#039;t be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Heh, we&#039;ve imprinted. I don&#039;t have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams &amp;quot;new video.&amp;quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brand New Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures.  I think they came out really good, and everyone I&#039;ve asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m looking for images where they look really good.. then I&#039;m trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot.  So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they&#039;re ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. --  [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey&#039;s design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yay, I&#039;m so so glad you like it!  I&#039;m still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can.  So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don&#039;t like, that&#039;d be great.  Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I&#039;ll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dates for videos==&lt;br /&gt;
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting.  Am I wrong on this one? I won&#039;t change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say they all should list the date.&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it&#039;s also confusing - how is someone who&#039;s coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;Breeniverse&#039; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she&#039;s quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s the term the Creators used so far. We&#039;re open for suggestions, but &amp;quot;lonelyverse&amp;quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &amp;quot;danielverse&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;jonasverse&amp;quot; are just as personal. &amp;quot;Orderverse&amp;quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp;amp; Gina, who knows?), that&#039;s a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal title image. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.&lt;br /&gt;
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it would look like this:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I&#039;m a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 8:58 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren&#039;s trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change &#039;&#039;again&#039;&#039;, so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where&#039;d you get the font sample from? It&#039;s extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Flickr. It wasn&#039;t pixelated though. I just resized it and because I&#039;m not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:43 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, I made a new version that&#039;s less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::Here:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::an improvement, but we won&#039;t use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:54 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== GINA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND!&lt;br /&gt;
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:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She&#039;s not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can&#039;t even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma&#039;s Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX&#039;S ACCOUNT? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and &lt;br /&gt;
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?&lt;br /&gt;
Why, none other than Jonas&#039;s Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:&lt;br /&gt;
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page.  The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that&#039;s about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==JONAS&#039;S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s not dark? It looks the same as everyone else&#039;s--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they&#039;re maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they&#039;ll motivate someone else to do better. :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steve on LG15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he&#039;s coming to the U.S?&lt;br /&gt;
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?&lt;br /&gt;
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree actually, but I&#039;d give it until Monday. If she doesn&#039;t show up in Monday&#039;s video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;d give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they&#039;ve been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she&#039;s only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she&#039;s left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah&#039;s been a main character for well over a year and she&#039;s been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Redesign ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you&#039;re happy with your new and improved character row.&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The problem doesn&#039;t appear in 7.0. I&#039;m going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I&#039;ll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, well, it&#039;s about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}&lt;br /&gt;
:She&#039;s not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she&#039;ll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore.  Technically, she is...although, she&#039;s not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above.  Same goes for Kate on KM.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Main Character Merit==&lt;br /&gt;
Basically, I&#039;d like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they&#039;ve been killed off and if they:&lt;br /&gt;
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)&lt;br /&gt;
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). &lt;br /&gt;
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That&#039;s just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We&#039;d have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren&#039;t the namesakes of either series, I&#039;d probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn&#039;t constantly referenced, he really shouldn&#039;t be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Order of Characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn&#039;t discuss or get anyone else&#039;s opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really like the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it&#039;s the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Er, we need a B&amp;amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gina on the character row ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What are peoples&#039; thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I don&#039;t really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it&#039;s not like Gina&#039;s the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what&#039;s going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show&#039;s namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn&#039;t really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Zoey.  Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed.  I don&#039;t really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character.  Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don&#039;t want a lot of clutter.  But we definately shouldn&#039;t jump the gun on taking her off the row.  You never know what could happen.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead.  LOL.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it.  Gina is dead.  I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it.  Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  I think that anyone that was on the character&#039;s row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased.  As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row.  She was never really that important.  Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it&#039;s only fair to include her.  In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here&#039;s the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn&#039;t really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn&#039;t have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn&#039;t even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No need to get snippy.  Just because I don&#039;t agree with you doesn&#039;t mean you have to be rude to me.  Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story.  Gemma... not so much.  So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea.  You start to get into the whole &amp;quot;who&#039;s important enough, who isn&#039;t&amp;quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies.  Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don&#039;t need to be immediately accessed.  That&#039;s what the larger &amp;quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&amp;quot; page is for.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &amp;quot;[[Drew Avery]]&amp;quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That&#039;s not fair to Crystal at all.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is beyond true!  Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased.  I just don&#039;t like how this is turning into a &amp;quot;I&#039;m high and mighty so my point is more valid&amp;quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate to have the recognition on the character row.  BTW, I don&#039;t see anybody acting &amp;quot;high and mighty&amp;quot;.  It&#039;s been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far.  The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis.  It seems everyone here treats each other with respect.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I propose that we add a &amp;quot;memorial&amp;quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it&#039;s not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &amp;quot;[[orange]]&amp;quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I&#039;m not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Something along those lines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea at all.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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she should be on character row as bree was kept.  sure she&#039;s not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn&#039;t be where it is if it wasnt&#039; for her story... just gray out her pic.  simple.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Video Screencap Redirects==&lt;br /&gt;
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video&#039;s article?  It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people.  I&#039;ve always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors.  Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well.  Keep it consistant, you know?  It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video&#039;s article.  Doesn&#039;t seem to be a huge addition to the &amp;quot;adding new video&amp;quot; ritual.  Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions?  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right.  I didn&#039;t consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it&#039;s used in another article or something.  Dumb idea.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Not &amp;quot;dumb,&amp;quot; it&#039;s a totally valid idea! I just don&#039;t really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==&lt;br /&gt;
If you haven&#039;t already checked it out, I&#039;d like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it&#039;s been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we&#039;ll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we&#039;ll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we&#039;ll want to include. I know it&#039;s a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I&#039;ve typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I&#039;m coming from.&lt;br /&gt;
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.&lt;br /&gt;
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bree - 153&lt;br /&gt;
*Daniel - 273&lt;br /&gt;
*Gemma - 21&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas - 242&lt;br /&gt;
*OpAphid - 33&lt;br /&gt;
*Tachyon - 12&lt;br /&gt;
*Alex - 15&lt;br /&gt;
*Sarah - 134&lt;br /&gt;
*Taylor - 47&lt;br /&gt;
*Spencer - 24&lt;br /&gt;
*Emma - 62&lt;br /&gt;
*Mallory - 22&lt;br /&gt;
*Jennie - 76&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina - 61&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I&#039;d very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I&#039;m going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yikes. I&#039;d like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don&#039;t think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that&#039;s what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that&#039;s not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we&#039;re talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn&#039;t considered resolution. I&#039;m just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can&#039;t make a realistic mock-up, but textually:&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can&#039;t figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you&#039;d lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I&#039;ll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it&#039;s too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that&#039;s where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won&#039;t just automatically click the Characters link. That&#039;s like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they&#039;ll be able to click the &amp;quot;List of Videos&amp;quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what&#039;s the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel&#039;s page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel&#039;s page on the front page.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&amp;quot;zing!!!!?&amp;quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously.  As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good.  Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; prominent, yet will &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest.  Apples aren&#039;t oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done.  Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I&#039;m a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I&#039;m not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel.  I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters.  [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern&#039;s portal page), and I&#039;m one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they&#039;re not sticking to the top?) That might work... :&#039; --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it&#039;s worth trying, I&#039;ll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don&#039;t have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that&#039;d be great. And the gif &#039;&#039;has&#039;&#039; to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it&#039;s the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They&#039;re the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they&#039;re the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Gemma&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;OpAphid&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Tachyon&#039;&#039;&#039;, Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Spencer&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Mallory&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Carl&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki B.&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, there hasn&#039;t been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;8 smaller&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;d say so. Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::*Milowent&lt;br /&gt;
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::::*Bobby G&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about &#039;&#039;&#039;ten different posters&#039;&#039;&#039; on this discussion page, that &#039;&#039;&#039;just not a good consensus&#039;&#039;&#039;. [...] And yes, Admins don&#039;t need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the &#039;&#039;&#039;lack of discussion here&#039;&#039;&#039; (myself included) &#039;&#039;&#039;just shows such a consensus isn&#039;t there&#039;&#039;&#039; and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven&#039;t had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we&#039;ll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it&#039;s not fair to call me either &amp;quot;blind or illiterate&amp;quot; because of that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &amp;quot;I agree!&amp;quot; that you failed to mention.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::While we&#039;re on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we&#039;re doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn&#039;t until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a &#039;&#039;&#039;lie&#039;&#039;&#039;. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what&#039;s being discussed, it&#039;s a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. &#039;&#039;&#039;Either 10 people &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia, or not.&#039;&#039;&#039; Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was &#039;&#039;entirely&#039;&#039; about the character row. So even &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the &#039;&#039;same thing&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, &#039;&#039;even less visible than before&#039;&#039;, for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it&#039;s all good.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It&#039;s happening. Right here. Right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;proves&#039;&#039;&#039; that I acted exactly as the administration did &#039;&#039;and does to this very day&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Renounce&#039;&#039;&#039; the &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; unproven allegations against me. &#039;&#039;&#039;Admit&#039;&#039;&#039; that the ban against me was unnecessary. &#039;&#039;&#039;Clear my name.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &amp;quot;only&amp;quot; one is a sign that I had &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; support.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::It&#039;s not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don&#039;t have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users&#039; actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::How is it not true?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Fact is, I behaved &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::In fact, you&#039;re saying it quite well: &amp;quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&amp;quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what &#039;&#039;the administration&#039;&#039; already decided anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::You&#039;re trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn&#039;t understand the concept of the series &#039;&#039;ending&#039;&#039; on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn&#039;t by the administration, there was retaliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew&#039;s great skill of &amp;quot;cropping this shit until it fits&amp;quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip&#039;s coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where&#039;s the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Then again, it doesn&#039;t surprise me - I&#039;ve seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It&#039;s like slashing a car&#039;s tires and assuming it&#039;ll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It&#039;s as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go &#039;&#039;under&#039;&#039; the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;because we have a deadline&#039;&#039;&#039;. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &amp;quot;1,111+&amp;quot; members don&#039;t voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. &lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &amp;quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&amp;quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn&#039;t quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &amp;quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&amp;quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &amp;quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&amp;quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they&#039;ll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ll be able to get to Spencer&#039;s page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Then how come you haven&#039;t decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with &#039;&#039;actual&#039;&#039; deadlines.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don&#039;t like the answer, tough luck. I don&#039;t care enough to fix your problems for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration&#039;s bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &amp;quot;major&amp;quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...eight small pictures of &#039;&#039;whom&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::So. Let&#039;s say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn&#039;t revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...who will be in those spots?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...based on whose decision?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You are telling me &#039;&#039;in bold&#039;&#039; that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15&#039;s left column will be one box longer&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor&#039;s Jumper adventures&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And that&#039;s just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::::All you have is &amp;quot;8 small&amp;quot;. You have managed to follow the administration&#039;s lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna play &amp;quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;? Then you better get to work. &#039;cause you have three days to create an entire site!&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only &#039;&#039;decided upon&#039;&#039; 8 small icons. You haven&#039;t actually &#039;&#039;implemented&#039;&#039; it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You don&#039;t have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039; that meets the deadline of doom.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And you don&#039;t seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it&#039;s soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more &#039;&#039;work&#039;&#039; here.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Don&#039;t tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There&#039;s no room for personal attacks here. I&#039;m not trying to fight you, so there&#039;s no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I&#039;m concerned with the character row. If there&#039;s another discussion somewhere, I&#039;ll contribute to that too, but right now, I&#039;m focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&amp;quot;Who&#039;s going to be in it?&amp;quot; Well...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven&#039;t already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::So wait...you&#039;re trying to convince me that it&#039;s rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You&#039;re trying to pretend it&#039;s already settled, then ask people for more opinions?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Either you&#039;re done, or you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don&#039;t have time to discuss this - you&#039;re on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You can&#039;t pretend I&#039;m wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; made a final decision yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you&#039;ll miss this one - at least assuming you don&#039;t decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.&lt;br /&gt;
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what&#039;s been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I&#039;m &#039;&#039;sure&#039;&#039; you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think that&#039;s exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; miss you, even though I don&#039;t know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, shouldn&#039;t someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don&#039;t care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven&#039;t discussed what pictures to use and we don&#039;t even have an example of what it will look like. I&#039;d make one but don&#039;t know how and probably don&#039;t have time. And Ren, if you&#039;d have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you&#039;d been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &amp;quot;clear your name&amp;quot;. Why don&#039;t you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Perhaps because the two aren&#039;t equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Murder?! Somebody&#039;s being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it&#039;s otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we&#039;ll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren&#039;t contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely.  [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there&#039;s absolutely no reason why we wouldn&#039;t make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmm...I can&#039;t say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let&#039;s make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay um... how about...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Any of those? I&#039;ll keep looking, that&#039;s just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it&#039;s a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don&#039;t think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I&#039;m fine keeping that. I&#039;m just trying to think of something... happier?&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&amp;amp;W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it&#039;s weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I&#039;ll wait &#039;til tomorrow, otherwise I&#039;ll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the portal*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at previous statements*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the date*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Guess we&#039;re all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Forum Link==&lt;br /&gt;
Now that it&#039;s removed from the side bar, shouldn&#039;t there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Character Row Updates ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of &#039;&#039;official&#039;&#039; appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren&#039;t listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that&#039;s a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just &#039;&#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039;&#039; consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creators.  --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== New Jonas Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don&#039;t I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won&#039;t really mind if it was changed.  I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down??  Then maybe the pics won&#039;t look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design!  I felt like each character had their own little &amp;quot;pedistol&amp;quot; if you will.  Kind of said, &amp;quot;look at me.  I am important.&amp;quot;  Haha, I don&#039;t know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad.  I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn&#039;t save), but meh.  Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I&#039;m not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did.  Eh, it&#039;s sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like this pic, but it doesn&#039;t match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Spencer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn&#039;t he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
:However, isn&#039;t he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
I agree.  If he&#039;s only here for two months, we can always remove him.  I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &amp;quot;main blogging character&amp;quot;.  I&#039;d also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don&#039;t have them, and they don&#039;t seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it&#039;s lack of time, I&#039;ll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something&#039;s up with downloading pics.  If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp;amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, &#039;&#039; &#039;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&#039; &#039;&#039;.  Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, it&#039;s fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OpAphid ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison&#039;s section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Someone!!! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone&lt;br /&gt;
tell&lt;br /&gt;
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how&lt;br /&gt;
to&lt;br /&gt;
put&lt;br /&gt;
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== Outdating ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; or something? She&#039;s not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we&#039;re going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we&#039;re in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t think a &amp;quot;deceased&amp;quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don&#039;t want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn&#039;t take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she&#039;s not just some kind of guest character that&#039;s gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead.  there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:And in the end, don&#039;t forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade.  We don&#039;t want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she&#039;s just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I&#039;m going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she&#039;ll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won&#039;t spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won&#039;t make people automatically assume she&#039;s dead. Just a thought. &#039;&#039;&#039;-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, &#039;07 11:28 AM EST&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn&#039;t been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I&#039;d like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it&#039;s &amp;quot;alphabetical&amp;quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree&#039;s picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character&#039;s appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I&#039;d hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon?  I&#039;m getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it&#039;s going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree wholeheartedly that &amp;quot;Daniel in sombrero&amp;quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they&#039;ve changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 4:05 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that&#039;s where this pic&#039;ll end up.  But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, crap. I didn&#039;t even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:22 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I recently added  Emma in the character section. I didn&#039;t think about having it approved...Der &amp;gt;.&amp;lt; I was gonna to, but I didn&#039;t so....My fault. &lt;br /&gt;
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Bree Portal Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know, I&#039;m supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn&#039;t sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I&#039;m talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, I&#039;m going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree&#039;s Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree.  There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms.  Like why not Jules?  Or Aunt Alex?  Op/Tach/Bro?  I could go on...  I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages.  That&#039;s how I see it at least.  What do other people think? (Oh and while I&#039;m thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree&#039;s box right now?  Too light?  Too dark?  Just right? Let me know!  Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I think if Bree&#039;s staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They&#039;re both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn&#039;t make a difference.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it&#039;s still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::#The series is frickin&#039; &#039;&#039;named&#039;&#039; after Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma&#039;s few side-vids or Spencer&#039;s half a dozen appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.&lt;br /&gt;
::::There is a &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; people are pissed about Bree&#039;s death - just like a lonelygirl15 &#039;&#039;series&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t work without a lonelygirl15, a &#039;&#039;portal&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t, either. You can&#039;t have a portal to Bree&#039;s series without her.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C&#039;s give us a new cast photo.  It wouldn&#039;t be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that&#039;s what you use.  Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere.  I&#039;m no rush to excise bree from the portal.  You know, Bree&#039;s eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::For the record, we didn&#039;t even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere.  Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner .  :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not quite understanding the whole &amp;quot;spoliers&amp;quot; reasoning. There&#039;s a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: &#039;&#039;All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don&#039;t want to see SPOILERS, do not read further&#039;&#039;. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree&#039;s picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There&#039;s a big difference between &#039;&#039;the text&#039;&#039; giving away information you don&#039;t want to know, and &#039;&#039;the page itself&#039;&#039;. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can&#039;t not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin&#039; obvious, and you can&#039;t ignore it - no matter if you&#039;ve just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she&#039;s dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: &#039;&#039;The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk &#039;&#039;&#039;LEAVE, ENTER&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current Main Characters?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma.  I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree).  Yay or nay? ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yay.&lt;br /&gt;
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she&#039;s been gone for about a month now.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I&#039;m getting the vibe that it&#039;s Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m down with that order.  The big challenge is finding &amp;quot;headshots&amp;quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ach... sorry, I didn&#039;t see that this discussion was already going on up above.  But seriously, I think it&#039;s time to change it... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree&#039;s portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice.  I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any &#039;&#039;former&#039;&#039; character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &amp;quot;former&amp;quot; characters.  There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character&#039;s pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in.  The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; lonelygirl15.  She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don&#039;t think she should look the same as all the other characters.  Hence the greying.  I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we&#039;re in &amp;quot;mourning&amp;quot; for her.. so to speak.  Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree).  Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character&#039;s heads a fairly consistant size.  Consistancy = good :)&lt;br /&gt;
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Opinions on new news design? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Known problems:&lt;br /&gt;
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read&lt;br /&gt;
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who&#039;s blogging? I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks :)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Yellow:&#039;&#039;&#039; Newest vid.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Lighter grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Even episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Darker grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Odd episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Dark purple-ish grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Videos with no &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.&lt;br /&gt;
::Usually, this&#039;d lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I won&#039;t deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but &#039;&#039;it is&#039;&#039; growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow.  That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|&#039;&#039;&#039;Baby-Duck-Syndrome&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::hehe...but as long as it&#039;s growing on you :D&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for the events, that&#039;s a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn&#039;t touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn&#039;t work.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I&#039;m the only one, I guess we&#039;ll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they&#039;re probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn&#039;t be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Heh, we&#039;ve imprinted. I don&#039;t have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams &amp;quot;new video.&amp;quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brand New Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures.  I think they came out really good, and everyone I&#039;ve asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m looking for images where they look really good.. then I&#039;m trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot.  So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they&#039;re ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. --  [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey&#039;s design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yay, I&#039;m so so glad you like it!  I&#039;m still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can.  So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don&#039;t like, that&#039;d be great.  Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I&#039;ll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dates for videos==&lt;br /&gt;
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting.  Am I wrong on this one? I won&#039;t change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say they all should list the date.&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it&#039;s also confusing - how is someone who&#039;s coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;Breeniverse&#039; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she&#039;s quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s the term the Creators used so far. We&#039;re open for suggestions, but &amp;quot;lonelyverse&amp;quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &amp;quot;danielverse&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;jonasverse&amp;quot; are just as personal. &amp;quot;Orderverse&amp;quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.&lt;br /&gt;
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What do you think?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp;amp; Gina, who knows?), that&#039;s a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal title image. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.&lt;br /&gt;
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it would look like this:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I&#039;m a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 8:58 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren&#039;s trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change &#039;&#039;again&#039;&#039;, so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where&#039;d you get the font sample from? It&#039;s extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Flickr. It wasn&#039;t pixelated though. I just resized it and because I&#039;m not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:43 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, I made a new version that&#039;s less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::Here:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::an improvement, but we won&#039;t use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:54 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== GINA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND!&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She&#039;s not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can&#039;t even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma&#039;s Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please Respond!&lt;br /&gt;
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX&#039;S ACCOUNT? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and &lt;br /&gt;
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?&lt;br /&gt;
Why, none other than Jonas&#039;s Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:&lt;br /&gt;
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page.  The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that&#039;s about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==JONAS&#039;S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s not dark? It looks the same as everyone else&#039;s--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they&#039;re maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they&#039;ll motivate someone else to do better. :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steve on LG15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he&#039;s coming to the U.S?&lt;br /&gt;
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?&lt;br /&gt;
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree actually, but I&#039;d give it until Monday. If she doesn&#039;t show up in Monday&#039;s video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;d give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they&#039;ve been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she&#039;s only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she&#039;s left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah&#039;s been a main character for well over a year and she&#039;s been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Redesign ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you&#039;re happy with your new and improved character row.&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The problem doesn&#039;t appear in 7.0. I&#039;m going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I&#039;ll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, well, it&#039;s about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}&lt;br /&gt;
:She&#039;s not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she&#039;ll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore.  Technically, she is...although, she&#039;s not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above.  Same goes for Kate on KM.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Main Character Merit==&lt;br /&gt;
Basically, I&#039;d like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they&#039;ve been killed off and if they:&lt;br /&gt;
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)&lt;br /&gt;
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). &lt;br /&gt;
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That&#039;s just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We&#039;d have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren&#039;t the namesakes of either series, I&#039;d probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn&#039;t constantly referenced, he really shouldn&#039;t be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Order of Characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn&#039;t discuss or get anyone else&#039;s opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really like the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it&#039;s the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Er, we need a B&amp;amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gina on the character row ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What are peoples&#039; thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I don&#039;t really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it&#039;s not like Gina&#039;s the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what&#039;s going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show&#039;s namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn&#039;t really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Zoey.  Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed.  I don&#039;t really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character.  Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don&#039;t want a lot of clutter.  But we definately shouldn&#039;t jump the gun on taking her off the row.  You never know what could happen.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead.  LOL.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it.  Gina is dead.  I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it.  Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  I think that anyone that was on the character&#039;s row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased.  As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row.  She was never really that important.  Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it&#039;s only fair to include her.  In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here&#039;s the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn&#039;t really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn&#039;t have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn&#039;t even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No need to get snippy.  Just because I don&#039;t agree with you doesn&#039;t mean you have to be rude to me.  Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story.  Gemma... not so much.  So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea.  You start to get into the whole &amp;quot;who&#039;s important enough, who isn&#039;t&amp;quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies.  Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don&#039;t need to be immediately accessed.  That&#039;s what the larger &amp;quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&amp;quot; page is for.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &amp;quot;[[Drew Avery]]&amp;quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That&#039;s not fair to Crystal at all.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is beyond true!  Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased.  I just don&#039;t like how this is turning into a &amp;quot;I&#039;m high and mighty so my point is more valid&amp;quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate to have the recognition on the character row.  BTW, I don&#039;t see anybody acting &amp;quot;high and mighty&amp;quot;.  It&#039;s been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far.  The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis.  It seems everyone here treats each other with respect.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I propose that we add a &amp;quot;memorial&amp;quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it&#039;s not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &amp;quot;[[orange]]&amp;quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I&#039;m not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Something along those lines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea at all.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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she should be on character row as bree was kept.  sure she&#039;s not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn&#039;t be where it is if it wasnt&#039; for her story... just gray out her pic.  simple.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Video Screencap Redirects==&lt;br /&gt;
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video&#039;s article?  It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people.  I&#039;ve always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors.  Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well.  Keep it consistant, you know?  It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video&#039;s article.  Doesn&#039;t seem to be a huge addition to the &amp;quot;adding new video&amp;quot; ritual.  Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions?  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right.  I didn&#039;t consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it&#039;s used in another article or something.  Dumb idea.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Not &amp;quot;dumb,&amp;quot; it&#039;s a totally valid idea! I just don&#039;t really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==&lt;br /&gt;
If you haven&#039;t already checked it out, I&#039;d like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it&#039;s been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we&#039;ll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we&#039;ll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we&#039;ll want to include. I know it&#039;s a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I&#039;ve typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I&#039;m coming from.&lt;br /&gt;
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.&lt;br /&gt;
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bree - 153&lt;br /&gt;
*Daniel - 273&lt;br /&gt;
*Gemma - 21&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas - 242&lt;br /&gt;
*OpAphid - 33&lt;br /&gt;
*Tachyon - 12&lt;br /&gt;
*Alex - 15&lt;br /&gt;
*Sarah - 134&lt;br /&gt;
*Taylor - 47&lt;br /&gt;
*Spencer - 24&lt;br /&gt;
*Emma - 62&lt;br /&gt;
*Mallory - 22&lt;br /&gt;
*Jennie - 76&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina - 61&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I&#039;d very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I&#039;m going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yikes. I&#039;d like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don&#039;t think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that&#039;s what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that&#039;s not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we&#039;re talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn&#039;t considered resolution. I&#039;m just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can&#039;t make a realistic mock-up, but textually:&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can&#039;t figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you&#039;d lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I&#039;ll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it&#039;s too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that&#039;s where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won&#039;t just automatically click the Characters link. That&#039;s like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they&#039;ll be able to click the &amp;quot;List of Videos&amp;quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what&#039;s the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel&#039;s page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel&#039;s page on the front page.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&amp;quot;zing!!!!?&amp;quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously.  As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good.  Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; prominent, yet will &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest.  Apples aren&#039;t oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done.  Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I&#039;m a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I&#039;m not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel.  I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters.  [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern&#039;s portal page), and I&#039;m one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they&#039;re not sticking to the top?) That might work... :&#039; --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it&#039;s worth trying, I&#039;ll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don&#039;t have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that&#039;d be great. And the gif &#039;&#039;has&#039;&#039; to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it&#039;s the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They&#039;re the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they&#039;re the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Gemma&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;OpAphid&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Tachyon&#039;&#039;&#039;, Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Spencer&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Mallory&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Carl&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki B.&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, there hasn&#039;t been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;8 smaller&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;d say so. Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::*Zoey&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Phisho&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Jonpro&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Milowent&lt;br /&gt;
::::*LimePenguin&lt;br /&gt;
::::*KindredPhantom&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Bobby G&lt;br /&gt;
::::*FH14&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about &#039;&#039;&#039;ten different posters&#039;&#039;&#039; on this discussion page, that &#039;&#039;&#039;just not a good consensus&#039;&#039;&#039;. [...] And yes, Admins don&#039;t need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the &#039;&#039;&#039;lack of discussion here&#039;&#039;&#039; (myself included) &#039;&#039;&#039;just shows such a consensus isn&#039;t there&#039;&#039;&#039; and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven&#039;t had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we&#039;ll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it&#039;s not fair to call me either &amp;quot;blind or illiterate&amp;quot; because of that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &amp;quot;I agree!&amp;quot; that you failed to mention.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::While we&#039;re on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we&#039;re doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn&#039;t until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a &#039;&#039;&#039;lie&#039;&#039;&#039;. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what&#039;s being discussed, it&#039;s a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. &#039;&#039;&#039;Either 10 people &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia, or not.&#039;&#039;&#039; Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was &#039;&#039;entirely&#039;&#039; about the character row. So even &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the &#039;&#039;same thing&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, &#039;&#039;even less visible than before&#039;&#039;, for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it&#039;s all good.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It&#039;s happening. Right here. Right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;proves&#039;&#039;&#039; that I acted exactly as the administration did &#039;&#039;and does to this very day&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Renounce&#039;&#039;&#039; the &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; unproven allegations against me. &#039;&#039;&#039;Admit&#039;&#039;&#039; that the ban against me was unnecessary. &#039;&#039;&#039;Clear my name.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &amp;quot;only&amp;quot; one is a sign that I had &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; support.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::It&#039;s not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don&#039;t have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users&#039; actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::How is it not true?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Fact is, I behaved &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::In fact, you&#039;re saying it quite well: &amp;quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&amp;quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what &#039;&#039;the administration&#039;&#039; already decided anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::You&#039;re trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn&#039;t understand the concept of the series &#039;&#039;ending&#039;&#039; on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn&#039;t by the administration, there was retaliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew&#039;s great skill of &amp;quot;cropping this shit until it fits&amp;quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip&#039;s coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where&#039;s the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Then again, it doesn&#039;t surprise me - I&#039;ve seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It&#039;s like slashing a car&#039;s tires and assuming it&#039;ll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It&#039;s as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go &#039;&#039;under&#039;&#039; the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;because we have a deadline&#039;&#039;&#039;. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &amp;quot;1,111+&amp;quot; members don&#039;t voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. &lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &amp;quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&amp;quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn&#039;t quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &amp;quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&amp;quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &amp;quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&amp;quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they&#039;ll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ll be able to get to Spencer&#039;s page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Then how come you haven&#039;t decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with &#039;&#039;actual&#039;&#039; deadlines.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don&#039;t like the answer, tough luck. I don&#039;t care enough to fix your problems for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration&#039;s bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &amp;quot;major&amp;quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...eight small pictures of &#039;&#039;whom&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::So. Let&#039;s say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn&#039;t revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...who will be in those spots?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...based on whose decision?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You are telling me &#039;&#039;in bold&#039;&#039; that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15&#039;s left column will be one box longer&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor&#039;s Jumper adventures&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And that&#039;s just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::::All you have is &amp;quot;8 small&amp;quot;. You have managed to follow the administration&#039;s lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna play &amp;quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;? Then you better get to work. &#039;cause you have three days to create an entire site!&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only &#039;&#039;decided upon&#039;&#039; 8 small icons. You haven&#039;t actually &#039;&#039;implemented&#039;&#039; it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You don&#039;t have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039; that meets the deadline of doom.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And you don&#039;t seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it&#039;s soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more &#039;&#039;work&#039;&#039; here.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Don&#039;t tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There&#039;s no room for personal attacks here. I&#039;m not trying to fight you, so there&#039;s no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I&#039;m concerned with the character row. If there&#039;s another discussion somewhere, I&#039;ll contribute to that too, but right now, I&#039;m focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&amp;quot;Who&#039;s going to be in it?&amp;quot; Well...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven&#039;t already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::So wait...you&#039;re trying to convince me that it&#039;s rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You&#039;re trying to pretend it&#039;s already settled, then ask people for more opinions?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Either you&#039;re done, or you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don&#039;t have time to discuss this - you&#039;re on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You can&#039;t pretend I&#039;m wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; made a final decision yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you&#039;ll miss this one - at least assuming you don&#039;t decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.&lt;br /&gt;
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what&#039;s been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I&#039;m &#039;&#039;sure&#039;&#039; you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think that&#039;s exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; miss you, even though I don&#039;t know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, shouldn&#039;t someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don&#039;t care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven&#039;t discussed what pictures to use and we don&#039;t even have an example of what it will look like. I&#039;d make one but don&#039;t know how and probably don&#039;t have time. And Ren, if you&#039;d have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you&#039;d been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &amp;quot;clear your name&amp;quot;. Why don&#039;t you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Perhaps because the two aren&#039;t equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Murder?! Somebody&#039;s being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it&#039;s otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we&#039;ll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren&#039;t contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely.  [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there&#039;s absolutely no reason why we wouldn&#039;t make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmm...I can&#039;t say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let&#039;s make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay um... how about...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Any of those? I&#039;ll keep looking, that&#039;s just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it&#039;s a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don&#039;t think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I&#039;m fine keeping that. I&#039;m just trying to think of something... happier?&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&amp;amp;W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it&#039;s weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I&#039;ll wait &#039;til tomorrow, otherwise I&#039;ll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the portal*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at previous statements*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the date*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Guess we&#039;re all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Forum Link==&lt;br /&gt;
Now that it&#039;s removed from the side bar, shouldn&#039;t there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Character Row Updates ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of &#039;&#039;official&#039;&#039; appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren&#039;t listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that&#039;s a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just &#039;&#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039;&#039; consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creator&#039;s.  --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;== New Jonas Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don&#039;t I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won&#039;t really mind if it was changed.  I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down??  Then maybe the pics won&#039;t look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design!  I felt like each character had their own little &amp;quot;pedistol&amp;quot; if you will.  Kind of said, &amp;quot;look at me.  I am important.&amp;quot;  Haha, I don&#039;t know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad.  I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn&#039;t save), but meh.  Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I&#039;m not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did.  Eh, it&#039;s sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like this pic, but it doesn&#039;t match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Spencer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn&#039;t he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
:However, isn&#039;t he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
I agree.  If he&#039;s only here for two months, we can always remove him.  I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &amp;quot;main blogging character&amp;quot;.  I&#039;d also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don&#039;t have them, and they don&#039;t seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it&#039;s lack of time, I&#039;ll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something&#039;s up with downloading pics.  If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp;amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, &#039;&#039; &#039;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&#039; &#039;&#039;.  Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, it&#039;s fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OpAphid ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison&#039;s section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Someone!!! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Outdating ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; or something? She&#039;s not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we&#039;re going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we&#039;re in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t think a &amp;quot;deceased&amp;quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don&#039;t want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn&#039;t take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she&#039;s not just some kind of guest character that&#039;s gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead.  there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:And in the end, don&#039;t forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade.  We don&#039;t want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she&#039;s just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I&#039;m going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she&#039;ll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won&#039;t spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won&#039;t make people automatically assume she&#039;s dead. Just a thought. &#039;&#039;&#039;-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, &#039;07 11:28 AM EST&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn&#039;t been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I&#039;d like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it&#039;s &amp;quot;alphabetical&amp;quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree&#039;s picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character&#039;s appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I&#039;d hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon?  I&#039;m getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it&#039;s going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree wholeheartedly that &amp;quot;Daniel in sombrero&amp;quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they&#039;ve changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 4:05 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that&#039;s where this pic&#039;ll end up.  But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, crap. I didn&#039;t even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:22 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I recently added  Emma in the character section. I didn&#039;t think about having it approved...Der &amp;gt;.&amp;lt; I was gonna to, but I didn&#039;t so....My fault. &lt;br /&gt;
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Bree Portal Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know, I&#039;m supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn&#039;t sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I&#039;m talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, I&#039;m going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree&#039;s Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree.  There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms.  Like why not Jules?  Or Aunt Alex?  Op/Tach/Bro?  I could go on...  I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages.  That&#039;s how I see it at least.  What do other people think? (Oh and while I&#039;m thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree&#039;s box right now?  Too light?  Too dark?  Just right? Let me know!  Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I think if Bree&#039;s staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They&#039;re both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn&#039;t make a difference.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it&#039;s still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::#The series is frickin&#039; &#039;&#039;named&#039;&#039; after Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma&#039;s few side-vids or Spencer&#039;s half a dozen appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.&lt;br /&gt;
::::There is a &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; people are pissed about Bree&#039;s death - just like a lonelygirl15 &#039;&#039;series&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t work without a lonelygirl15, a &#039;&#039;portal&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t, either. You can&#039;t have a portal to Bree&#039;s series without her.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C&#039;s give us a new cast photo.  It wouldn&#039;t be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that&#039;s what you use.  Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere.  I&#039;m no rush to excise bree from the portal.  You know, Bree&#039;s eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::For the record, we didn&#039;t even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere.  Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner .  :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not quite understanding the whole &amp;quot;spoliers&amp;quot; reasoning. There&#039;s a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: &#039;&#039;All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don&#039;t want to see SPOILERS, do not read further&#039;&#039;. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree&#039;s picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There&#039;s a big difference between &#039;&#039;the text&#039;&#039; giving away information you don&#039;t want to know, and &#039;&#039;the page itself&#039;&#039;. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can&#039;t not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin&#039; obvious, and you can&#039;t ignore it - no matter if you&#039;ve just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she&#039;s dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: &#039;&#039;The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk &#039;&#039;&#039;LEAVE, ENTER&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current Main Characters?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma.  I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree).  Yay or nay? ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Yay.&lt;br /&gt;
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she&#039;s been gone for about a month now.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I&#039;m getting the vibe that it&#039;s Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m down with that order.  The big challenge is finding &amp;quot;headshots&amp;quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ach... sorry, I didn&#039;t see that this discussion was already going on up above.  But seriously, I think it&#039;s time to change it... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree&#039;s portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice.  I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any &#039;&#039;former&#039;&#039; character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &amp;quot;former&amp;quot; characters.  There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character&#039;s pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in.  The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; lonelygirl15.  She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don&#039;t think she should look the same as all the other characters.  Hence the greying.  I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we&#039;re in &amp;quot;mourning&amp;quot; for her.. so to speak.  Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree).  Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character&#039;s heads a fairly consistant size.  Consistancy = good :)&lt;br /&gt;
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Opinions on new news design? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Known problems:&lt;br /&gt;
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read&lt;br /&gt;
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who&#039;s blogging? I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks :)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Yellow:&#039;&#039;&#039; Newest vid.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Lighter grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Even episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Darker grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Odd episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Dark purple-ish grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Videos with no &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.&lt;br /&gt;
::Usually, this&#039;d lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I won&#039;t deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but &#039;&#039;it is&#039;&#039; growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow.  That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|&#039;&#039;&#039;Baby-Duck-Syndrome&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::hehe...but as long as it&#039;s growing on you :D&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for the events, that&#039;s a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn&#039;t touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn&#039;t work.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I&#039;m the only one, I guess we&#039;ll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they&#039;re probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn&#039;t be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Heh, we&#039;ve imprinted. I don&#039;t have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams &amp;quot;new video.&amp;quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brand New Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures.  I think they came out really good, and everyone I&#039;ve asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m looking for images where they look really good.. then I&#039;m trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot.  So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they&#039;re ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. --  [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey&#039;s design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yay, I&#039;m so so glad you like it!  I&#039;m still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can.  So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don&#039;t like, that&#039;d be great.  Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I&#039;ll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dates for videos==&lt;br /&gt;
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting.  Am I wrong on this one? I won&#039;t change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say they all should list the date.&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it&#039;s also confusing - how is someone who&#039;s coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;Breeniverse&#039; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she&#039;s quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s the term the Creators used so far. We&#039;re open for suggestions, but &amp;quot;lonelyverse&amp;quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &amp;quot;danielverse&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;jonasverse&amp;quot; are just as personal. &amp;quot;Orderverse&amp;quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.&lt;br /&gt;
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What do you think?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp;amp; Gina, who knows?), that&#039;s a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal title image. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.&lt;br /&gt;
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it would look like this:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I&#039;m a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 8:58 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren&#039;s trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change &#039;&#039;again&#039;&#039;, so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where&#039;d you get the font sample from? It&#039;s extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Flickr. It wasn&#039;t pixelated though. I just resized it and because I&#039;m not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:43 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, I made a new version that&#039;s less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::Here:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::an improvement, but we won&#039;t use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:54 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== GINA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND!&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She&#039;s not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can&#039;t even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma&#039;s Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please Respond!&lt;br /&gt;
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX&#039;S ACCOUNT? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and &lt;br /&gt;
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?&lt;br /&gt;
Why, none other than Jonas&#039;s Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:&lt;br /&gt;
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page.  The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that&#039;s about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==JONAS&#039;S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s not dark? It looks the same as everyone else&#039;s--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they&#039;re maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they&#039;ll motivate someone else to do better. :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steve on LG15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he&#039;s coming to the U.S?&lt;br /&gt;
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?&lt;br /&gt;
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree actually, but I&#039;d give it until Monday. If she doesn&#039;t show up in Monday&#039;s video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;d give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they&#039;ve been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she&#039;s only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she&#039;s left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah&#039;s been a main character for well over a year and she&#039;s been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Redesign ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you&#039;re happy with your new and improved character row.&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The problem doesn&#039;t appear in 7.0. I&#039;m going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I&#039;ll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, well, it&#039;s about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}&lt;br /&gt;
:She&#039;s not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she&#039;ll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore.  Technically, she is...although, she&#039;s not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above.  Same goes for Kate on KM.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Main Character Merit==&lt;br /&gt;
Basically, I&#039;d like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they&#039;ve been killed off and if they:&lt;br /&gt;
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)&lt;br /&gt;
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). &lt;br /&gt;
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That&#039;s just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We&#039;d have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren&#039;t the namesakes of either series, I&#039;d probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn&#039;t constantly referenced, he really shouldn&#039;t be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Order of Characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn&#039;t discuss or get anyone else&#039;s opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really like the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it&#039;s the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Er, we need a B&amp;amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gina on the character row ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What are peoples&#039; thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I don&#039;t really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it&#039;s not like Gina&#039;s the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what&#039;s going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show&#039;s namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn&#039;t really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Zoey.  Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed.  I don&#039;t really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character.  Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don&#039;t want a lot of clutter.  But we definately shouldn&#039;t jump the gun on taking her off the row.  You never know what could happen.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead.  LOL.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it.  Gina is dead.  I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it.  Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  I think that anyone that was on the character&#039;s row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased.  As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row.  She was never really that important.  Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it&#039;s only fair to include her.  In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here&#039;s the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn&#039;t really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn&#039;t have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn&#039;t even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No need to get snippy.  Just because I don&#039;t agree with you doesn&#039;t mean you have to be rude to me.  Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story.  Gemma... not so much.  So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea.  You start to get into the whole &amp;quot;who&#039;s important enough, who isn&#039;t&amp;quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies.  Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don&#039;t need to be immediately accessed.  That&#039;s what the larger &amp;quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&amp;quot; page is for.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &amp;quot;[[Drew Avery]]&amp;quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That&#039;s not fair to Crystal at all.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is beyond true!  Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased.  I just don&#039;t like how this is turning into a &amp;quot;I&#039;m high and mighty so my point is more valid&amp;quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate to have the recognition on the character row.  BTW, I don&#039;t see anybody acting &amp;quot;high and mighty&amp;quot;.  It&#039;s been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far.  The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis.  It seems everyone here treats each other with respect.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I propose that we add a &amp;quot;memorial&amp;quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it&#039;s not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &amp;quot;[[orange]]&amp;quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I&#039;m not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Something along those lines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea at all.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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she should be on character row as bree was kept.  sure she&#039;s not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn&#039;t be where it is if it wasnt&#039; for her story... just gray out her pic.  simple.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Video Screencap Redirects==&lt;br /&gt;
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video&#039;s article?  It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people.  I&#039;ve always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors.  Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well.  Keep it consistant, you know?  It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video&#039;s article.  Doesn&#039;t seem to be a huge addition to the &amp;quot;adding new video&amp;quot; ritual.  Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions?  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right.  I didn&#039;t consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it&#039;s used in another article or something.  Dumb idea.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Not &amp;quot;dumb,&amp;quot; it&#039;s a totally valid idea! I just don&#039;t really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==&lt;br /&gt;
If you haven&#039;t already checked it out, I&#039;d like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it&#039;s been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we&#039;ll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we&#039;ll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we&#039;ll want to include. I know it&#039;s a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I&#039;ve typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I&#039;m coming from.&lt;br /&gt;
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.&lt;br /&gt;
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bree - 153&lt;br /&gt;
*Daniel - 273&lt;br /&gt;
*Gemma - 21&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas - 242&lt;br /&gt;
*OpAphid - 33&lt;br /&gt;
*Tachyon - 12&lt;br /&gt;
*Alex - 15&lt;br /&gt;
*Sarah - 134&lt;br /&gt;
*Taylor - 47&lt;br /&gt;
*Spencer - 24&lt;br /&gt;
*Emma - 62&lt;br /&gt;
*Mallory - 22&lt;br /&gt;
*Jennie - 76&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina - 61&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I&#039;d very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I&#039;m going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yikes. I&#039;d like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don&#039;t think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that&#039;s what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that&#039;s not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we&#039;re talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn&#039;t considered resolution. I&#039;m just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can&#039;t make a realistic mock-up, but textually:&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can&#039;t figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you&#039;d lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I&#039;ll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it&#039;s too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that&#039;s where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won&#039;t just automatically click the Characters link. That&#039;s like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they&#039;ll be able to click the &amp;quot;List of Videos&amp;quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what&#039;s the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel&#039;s page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel&#039;s page on the front page.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&amp;quot;zing!!!!?&amp;quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously.  As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good.  Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; prominent, yet will &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest.  Apples aren&#039;t oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done.  Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I&#039;m a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I&#039;m not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel.  I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters.  [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern&#039;s portal page), and I&#039;m one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they&#039;re not sticking to the top?) That might work... :&#039; --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it&#039;s worth trying, I&#039;ll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don&#039;t have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that&#039;d be great. And the gif &#039;&#039;has&#039;&#039; to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it&#039;s the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They&#039;re the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they&#039;re the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Gemma&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;OpAphid&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Tachyon&#039;&#039;&#039;, Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Spencer&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Mallory&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Carl&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki B.&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, there hasn&#039;t been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;8 smaller&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;d say so. Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::*Zoey&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Phisho&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Jonpro&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Milowent&lt;br /&gt;
::::*LimePenguin&lt;br /&gt;
::::*KindredPhantom&lt;br /&gt;
::::*Bobby G&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about &#039;&#039;&#039;ten different posters&#039;&#039;&#039; on this discussion page, that &#039;&#039;&#039;just not a good consensus&#039;&#039;&#039;. [...] And yes, Admins don&#039;t need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the &#039;&#039;&#039;lack of discussion here&#039;&#039;&#039; (myself included) &#039;&#039;&#039;just shows such a consensus isn&#039;t there&#039;&#039;&#039; and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven&#039;t had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we&#039;ll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it&#039;s not fair to call me either &amp;quot;blind or illiterate&amp;quot; because of that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &amp;quot;I agree!&amp;quot; that you failed to mention.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::While we&#039;re on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we&#039;re doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn&#039;t until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a &#039;&#039;&#039;lie&#039;&#039;&#039;. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what&#039;s being discussed, it&#039;s a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. &#039;&#039;&#039;Either 10 people &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia, or not.&#039;&#039;&#039; Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was &#039;&#039;entirely&#039;&#039; about the character row. So even &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the &#039;&#039;same thing&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, &#039;&#039;even less visible than before&#039;&#039;, for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it&#039;s all good.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It&#039;s happening. Right here. Right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;proves&#039;&#039;&#039; that I acted exactly as the administration did &#039;&#039;and does to this very day&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Renounce&#039;&#039;&#039; the &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; unproven allegations against me. &#039;&#039;&#039;Admit&#039;&#039;&#039; that the ban against me was unnecessary. &#039;&#039;&#039;Clear my name.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &amp;quot;only&amp;quot; one is a sign that I had &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; support.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::It&#039;s not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don&#039;t have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users&#039; actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::How is it not true?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Fact is, I behaved &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::In fact, you&#039;re saying it quite well: &amp;quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&amp;quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what &#039;&#039;the administration&#039;&#039; already decided anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::You&#039;re trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn&#039;t understand the concept of the series &#039;&#039;ending&#039;&#039; on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn&#039;t by the administration, there was retaliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew&#039;s great skill of &amp;quot;cropping this shit until it fits&amp;quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip&#039;s coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where&#039;s the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Then again, it doesn&#039;t surprise me - I&#039;ve seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It&#039;s like slashing a car&#039;s tires and assuming it&#039;ll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It&#039;s as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go &#039;&#039;under&#039;&#039; the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;because we have a deadline&#039;&#039;&#039;. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &amp;quot;1,111+&amp;quot; members don&#039;t voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. &lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &amp;quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&amp;quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn&#039;t quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &amp;quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&amp;quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &amp;quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&amp;quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they&#039;ll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ll be able to get to Spencer&#039;s page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Then how come you haven&#039;t decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with &#039;&#039;actual&#039;&#039; deadlines.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don&#039;t like the answer, tough luck. I don&#039;t care enough to fix your problems for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration&#039;s bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &amp;quot;major&amp;quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...eight small pictures of &#039;&#039;whom&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::So. Let&#039;s say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn&#039;t revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...who will be in those spots?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...based on whose decision?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You are telling me &#039;&#039;in bold&#039;&#039; that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15&#039;s left column will be one box longer&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor&#039;s Jumper adventures&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And that&#039;s just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::::All you have is &amp;quot;8 small&amp;quot;. You have managed to follow the administration&#039;s lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna play &amp;quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;? Then you better get to work. &#039;cause you have three days to create an entire site!&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only &#039;&#039;decided upon&#039;&#039; 8 small icons. You haven&#039;t actually &#039;&#039;implemented&#039;&#039; it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You don&#039;t have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039; that meets the deadline of doom.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And you don&#039;t seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it&#039;s soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more &#039;&#039;work&#039;&#039; here.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Don&#039;t tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There&#039;s no room for personal attacks here. I&#039;m not trying to fight you, so there&#039;s no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I&#039;m concerned with the character row. If there&#039;s another discussion somewhere, I&#039;ll contribute to that too, but right now, I&#039;m focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&amp;quot;Who&#039;s going to be in it?&amp;quot; Well...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven&#039;t already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::So wait...you&#039;re trying to convince me that it&#039;s rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You&#039;re trying to pretend it&#039;s already settled, then ask people for more opinions?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Either you&#039;re done, or you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don&#039;t have time to discuss this - you&#039;re on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You can&#039;t pretend I&#039;m wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; made a final decision yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you&#039;ll miss this one - at least assuming you don&#039;t decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what&#039;s been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I&#039;m &#039;&#039;sure&#039;&#039; you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think that&#039;s exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; miss you, even though I don&#039;t know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, shouldn&#039;t someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don&#039;t care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven&#039;t discussed what pictures to use and we don&#039;t even have an example of what it will look like. I&#039;d make one but don&#039;t know how and probably don&#039;t have time. And Ren, if you&#039;d have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you&#039;d been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &amp;quot;clear your name&amp;quot;. Why don&#039;t you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Perhaps because the two aren&#039;t equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Murder?! Somebody&#039;s being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it&#039;s otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we&#039;ll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren&#039;t contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely.  [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there&#039;s absolutely no reason why we wouldn&#039;t make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmm...I can&#039;t say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let&#039;s make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay um... how about...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Any of those? I&#039;ll keep looking, that&#039;s just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it&#039;s a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don&#039;t think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I&#039;m fine keeping that. I&#039;m just trying to think of something... happier?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|150px]] [[Image:Breee.JPG|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&amp;amp;W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I tested out the Bree pix, and I really like the first one, but I think it&#039;s weird with Bree and Emma both having P Monkey.. it seems off balance without Gina having him. So I think as far as that is concerned we should either keep the current Bree or if we replace Bree, we should replace Emma as well. However, I kind of like the current Bree and the current Emma, so yeah. Also, I&#039;ll wait &#039;til tomorrow, otherwise I&#039;ll go ahead and update the Season 3 pic to the one of Gina drawing. :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the portal*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at previous statements*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the date*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Guess we&#039;re all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Forum Link==&lt;br /&gt;
Now that it&#039;s removed from the side bar, shouldn&#039;t there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Added.--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Character Row Updates ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of &#039;&#039;official&#039;&#039; appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Eh, they also listed DelMundo and PharmaGuy as recurring, and they aren&#039;t listed that way on our page. I think the way we have it now is fine, personally. I mean, Spencer appeared in nearly 40 less videos than the lowest main character (Gina). I think that&#039;s a pretty clear line there. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:35, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Maybe we should consider changing those too, then? Ha ha - sorry, not trying to be complicated, I just &#039;&#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; consistency. I know it was decided that eight characters would be in the row, but I wanted to point it out anyways, in case we wanted to make a change to agree with the Creator&#039;s.  --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Nikki Bower</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Person&lt;br /&gt;
| name        = Nikki Bower&lt;br /&gt;
| image       = Nikkib.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| age         = &lt;br /&gt;
| birthday    = (&amp;quot;Pisces&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
| youtube     = NikkiBowerReport&lt;br /&gt;
| revver      = NikkiBower&lt;br /&gt;
| myspace     = nikkibowerreport&lt;br /&gt;
| forum-posts = NikkiBowerReport&lt;br /&gt;
| bebo        = NikkiBower&lt;br /&gt;
| actor       = [[Alli Danziger]]&lt;br /&gt;
| first       = [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]]&lt;br /&gt;
| last        = [[KateModern S2 Week 16 Recap]]&lt;br /&gt;
| color = #96c&lt;br /&gt;
| blogs = [[:Category:Nikki Bower videos|List of Nikki Bower videos]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki Bower&#039;&#039;&#039; is a [[YouTube]]/[[Revver]] user who has posted several fan videos in which she purports to be an investigative reporter following a trail of clues all over the country to investigate and help [[Bree]] and her friends.  She recently graduated college with a [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1|Journalism major]], often conducts her investigations by interviewing people in a &amp;quot;man on the street&amp;quot; style of reporting.  She is a big fan of [[Watchers Everywhere|Nancy Drew]], and considers her her idol.  She also has had a [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8|long-standing crush]] on Jonas, and often comments on his toned physique.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nikki [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates|admits]] that she is not a science expert, can&#039;t really decode codes, doesn&#039;t really know much about the [[water theme|water]] or marine biology, and can&#039;t swim.  However, she is &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; there for Bree and her friends when they need her [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|most]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
===Hot on the Trail===&lt;br /&gt;
Nikki Bower began posting videos in November of 2006, soon after Bree&#039;s religion was revealed to have dark intentions. The complex nature of what was happening intrigued her, and she decided to investigate. following a tip from a [[Breeiswaiting|mysterious source]], she started out at [[Topanga Canyon]], where the &amp;quot;Ceremony&amp;quot; had taken place a few weeks earlier. There, she found a box containing what was later [[A Watcher|revealed]] to be a [[Watcher]] symbol, along with a lock of hair on the inside. After Bree and Daniel [[On The Run|go on the run]], she [[Watchers Everywhere|attempts]] to locate the hotel they are staying at, but to no avail. However, she [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5|successfully located]] a movie theater that [[Date With P. Monkey|Bree had visited]] shortly before Thanksgiving, but found no sign of them. While there, however, she discusses the [[OPAPHID]] acronym, and reveals that she is aware that [[OpAphid]] is a person as well, and that she had responded to a message Nikki had sent her regarding the acronym, saying that there were many fairy tales people tell children.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Slurpee.JPG|thumb|left|Nikki enjoys an Orange Slurpee.]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Jonas posts [[Trust Issues|a video]] offering Daniel and Bree shelter, Nikki [[Where Is Jonas?|decides]] to check to see whether he is sincere or not, but is unable to locate his house. However, she reveals that she personally finds Jonas to be trustworthy. When [[Gemma]] is [[Gemma? (Part II)|revealed not to be trustworthy]], Nikki [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7|focuses her efforts]] on trying to find out more about her. She locates Gemma&#039;s apartment building in LA, and waits in the shadows, eventually spotting Gemma and [[Lucy]]. Shortly after she is [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8|informed]] by her &amp;quot;producers&amp;quot; that she is being sent to an undisclosed location over the New Year, she has to put her investigation on hold, although she finds the time to try to find the warehouse Daniel and Bree stayed at while [[Homeless]]. She posts a video wishing everyone a happy holiday, and asks Jonas to call her.&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon [[The Last Hours of Bree&#039;s Dad&#039;s Life - NBR 9|her return]], she reveals that she was in the Middle East, but doesn&#039;t elaborate too much on it, instead focusing on what happened while she was gone. She goes to the Coral Tree Cafe where Bree and her dad met, but doesn&#039;t find much there to go on. A [[Investigating Pins and Pints|few weeks later]], she tries to find the bowling alley where Daniel [[Truth or Dare|lost his ID]], but finds nothing useful there either. Frustrated, she decides to focus back on Gemma, but puts the venture on hold when Daniel [[Daniel&#039;s Missing!|goes missing]]. She [[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates|attempts]] to locate [[The Cowboy]], but becomes nervous when it appears that she is being watched. She [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates|decides]] to look into Gemma after all, but finds no trace of where she is or that something had happened to her. Disappointed, she buys an Orange Slurpee. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Breakthroughs===&lt;br /&gt;
Nikki finally begins making [[Look Who I Found!!!|major breakthroughs]] in the investigation, and she successfully locates Lucy&#039;s apartment building. She gets a clear shot of Lucy entering the building, and decides to find her way inside to spy on her. She and her [[Nikki&#039;s mom|camera-person]] climb over a gate and make their way onto Lucy&#039;s balcony. There, they spot her making martinis at 11:00 in the morning, and Nikki decides to leave, as it is clear that Lucy is having company.&lt;br /&gt;
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After [[TAAG|BDJ]] go to [[Jonas&#039;s cabin]], Nikki [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates|decides]] that she would be of better use if she did some investigating from home (stemming from her dislike of the cold). She brainstorms on what the initials on Jonas&#039;s father&#039;s manuscript could stand for, and asks Jonas if he could take off his shirt. Feeling festive, Nikki [[It&#039;s Party Time - NBR Investigates|decides]] to make a pilot for a cooking show, which ends badly after she burns the food. This can be attributed to her classifying the guests at [[Alex]]&#039;s party as in or out of the Order, and expresses her dislike of [[Beth]], another reporter.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:NBR017-NikkiGloves-cropped.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki B. gets to work.]]&lt;br /&gt;
She [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates|decides]] to do some on-the-scene investigating once more after BDJ are captured in Las Vegas, and she receives a tip from a mysterious informant giving her the address of an [[EPOGEN]] warehouse. She decides to go to the address on the shipping label of the boxes stored inside, and discovers that it&#039;s actually a motel room. Upon making her way inside, Nikki finds evidence suggesting that the occupant was the person who had captured BDJ in the desert, including a message on his Blackberry reading &amp;quot;Retrieve the girl. The principles of the Hymn of One have failed us. Beware the Watchers because they will go to any lengths to protect her.&amp;quot; Nikki also discovers a plethora of drug paraphernalia stashed inside the room as well, later [[Proceed with Caution|revealed]] to be [[Shadow]] drugs.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nikki continues to make progress, and [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates|identifies a girl]] on YouTube, [[Jules|callmejules24]], as the new Ceremony girl [[Alex]] [[The Perfect Beach|referred to]] while in Mexico. Another user, [[Taylor|soccerstar4ver A.K.A. Taylor]] [[I Recognize Her!|provided information]] regarding her location: Zavalla, Texas. Nikki [[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates|decides]] to go there and try to help BDJ, however, in a forum post, she reveals that she had &amp;quot;a run-in with a bull at the rodeo&amp;quot; and was unable to continue. She mentions that she has been doing some serious investigating during her recuperation, The nature of which wasn&#039;t revealed until [[My Eternal Song|her next video]]: Undercover at a Hymn of One retreat.&lt;br /&gt;
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When she is [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates|kicked out]] after being caught with chocolate, she reveals the day to day activities of Hymn of One members. They drink Orange Blossom tea, watch M. Night Shyamalan movies, and sleep with their windows open. At one point, she broke into one of their sheds, and found it filled with First Edition Nancy Drew books. Once she has left, she reaches out to [[Spencer]], and offers her assistance to the [[TAAG]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===Tagging along after TAAG===&lt;br /&gt;
She is given the opportunity to help when the TAAG are trapped in a warehouse by [[Bree&#039;s Watcher]]. She goes to [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|pick up]] a message regarding Bree&#039;s location from an [[Swallow|associate]] of the mysterious [[Deep Throat (character)|Deep Throat]], and, with the assistance of forum-member [[Jerry|VoyBoy]], [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 5 of 12 - 12 pm|rescues TAAG]]. Although Nikki&#039;s help proved vital, TAAG were ultimately unable to save Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:NBR023-Nikkiandpicture.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki and a photograph of Jonas.]]&lt;br /&gt;
When [[Claire|LaRezisto]] began posting videos immediately after Bree&#039;s death, Nikki and members of the forum [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=13393&amp;amp;p=481838&amp;amp;hilit=#p481838 brainstormed] to try to figure out what it meant. They manage to successfully track down the location of the graffiti seen in the video of the LaRezisto symbol. After this, Nikki watched from a distance as events continued to unfold, but her desire to investigate wins out, and in a fit of &amp;quot;stir&amp;quot; crazy, [[When Nikki Attacks...|breaks into]] [[The rented house]] to find out more about what was going on. Nobody was home, so Nikki proceeded to fantasize about Jonas and talk about it to the camera. After getting that out of her system, Nikki begins to seriously investigate [[Claire]] and LaRezisto in general. Once Claire was revealed to be a [[Shadow]], Nikki [[Claire&#039;s Hideout - NBR Investigates|investigated]] the abandoned house that she had used as a headquarters. Though she doesn&#039;t find anything new, she uses the opportunity to express her distrust of [[Sonia]] and [[Virgil]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Once the situation resolves itself, TAAG focuses on [[Lullaby Project|the project]] that Sonia had informed them of. Jonas and Sarah were &amp;quot;abducted&amp;quot; by the supply van they were investigating and ended up at the Lullaby Project itself. Eager to help, Nikki [[Groping (Alone) in the Dark|decides to hide]] in a similar van in hopes that it will take her to the Lullaby Project. However, the truck ended up in Koreatown. Utterly lost, Nikki somehow made her way to Mexico, but got held up in Tijuana after her mother/camerawoman fell in love with the club scene. While her mother was out partying, Nikki [[Nikki Tied Up|evaluated]] the events of the last few months and [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=16042&amp;amp;p=536955&amp;amp;hilit=#p536955 helped members of the forum crack] the password to [[Jack]]&#039;s voicemail, and later helps [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=16155&amp;amp;p=540705&amp;amp;hilit=#p540705 figure out] Emma&#039;s [[Playing With Wood|boggle message]].&lt;br /&gt;
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When TAAG discover that a California politician named [[Edward Salinas]] has put a hit out on them, Nikki helps them [[Politics Gone Wild!|infiltrate a campaign fundraiser]]. There, Nikki uses her feminine wiles to distract Salinas&#039;s bodyguard so that Daniel, Jonas, and [[Steve]] can take care of him. However, the plan fails, and TAAG flee, leaving Nikki behind. Nikki assists them again by [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=101&amp;amp;t=17376&amp;amp;p=588634&amp;amp;hilit=#p588634 helping] them [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=17379&amp;amp;p=588677&amp;amp;hilit=#p588677 locate] Emma after it is discovered that she is in danger, and also helps to [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=123&amp;amp;t=17397&amp;amp;p=589579&amp;amp;hilit=#p589579 decipher] Jonas&#039;s message to her.&lt;br /&gt;
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Most recently, Nikki has provided [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&amp;amp;t=17588&amp;amp;p=596202&amp;amp;hilit=#p596202 input] in figuring out what happened at the [[Prom: It&#039;s To Die For|LG15 Prom]]. [[The Creators]] have [http://inside.lg15.com/2008/07/09/lg15-questions/ confirmed] that despite the series finale on August 1st, Nikki will make another appearance. Whether this appearance will be in LG15 or another spin-off show, or whether Nikki will be interacting with characters or making solo videos has yet to be determined.  &lt;br /&gt;
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==Is Nikki Official?==&lt;br /&gt;
=== Early suspicions ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBR007-NikkiOutsideGemmaApartment.jpg|thumb|left|Nikki waits for Gemma.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Since her first video was posted on youtube on November 1, 2006, many fans have speculated about whether Nikki is an official character of the LG15 series.  Some fans speculated that she may become an official character eventually, much like [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]] did.  Others believed that she may have been created as a source to disclose information to LG15 fans without straight-out saying it in one of the other official videos.  On  January 25, 2007, after Nikki Bower was identified as being played by actress [[Alli Danziger]], Nikki posted a disclaimer that she was not canon.  However, on April 17, 2007, Bree referred to Nikki by name for the first time in [[New Girl]], making references to Nikki&#039;s most recent video, which strongly suggests that Nikki has moved into a more canonish status.&lt;br /&gt;
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The production value of her videos always suggested she may be an official character; however her videos lack the repeated cuts found in other canon videos (which gave away both [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]]).  This suggests that her videos are not edited by the lg15 team.  In her first video she displayed the full URL of the forum, which many fans speculated might point to her being official (trying to attract fans to the forum).&lt;br /&gt;
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In comments after Nikki&#039;s sixth video &amp;quot;[[Where Is Jonas?]]&amp;quot; a YouTuber called Memewhile declared &amp;quot;This is another actor hired by the Creative Artist agency in LA as part of the Lonelygirl15 series. She is reading a script written by [[Mesh Flinders | Ramesh Flinders]]&amp;quot;. Nikki responded by saying innocently, &amp;quot;Who&#039;s Ramesh?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== More clues ===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBR2.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki first shows us the Watcher symbol.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The most significant clue that points to her being an official character is found in her video [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]]. In this video, Nikki Bower finds a small box near the site of [[The Ceremony]] with a lock of blond hair in it. Engraved on the top of the box is the [[Watcher]] symbol. This video was posted ten days &#039;&#039;before&#039;&#039; [[Gemma]]&#039;s video [[A Watcher]], in which the symbol was first officially introduced.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, one theory that addresses this issue is that Nikki is simply a fan who has been receiving tips from the Creators. In her first video, Nikki goes to Topanga Canyon but doesn&#039;t find anything, and asks for ideas from other fans. In her next video, she says that &amp;quot;I got a lot of tips, and I am back here in Topanga Canyon.&amp;quot; And later: &amp;quot;I was told in a private email message, that longitude may have more significance than we think. And it may have to do with footsteps.&amp;quot; When she takes 118 steps (corresponding to 118 degrees longitude, where the canyon is located) she reaches a bridge. &amp;quot;One of you guys told me to keep my eyes out for the bridge... this is the bridge.&amp;quot; And looking around the bridge, she finds the box. It is quite possible that the anonymous tipper was [[the Creators]], who got excited at Nikki&#039;s first video and decided to plant some clues.  Later, in [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7 | NBR 7]], Nikki finds Gemma&#039;s building after &amp;quot;I was lucky enough to get an anonymous message that gave me the ZIP Code of where Gemma is residing. I don&#039;t know if it was from [[Tachyon]] herself or one of her cohorts...&amp;quot; So it seems that Nikki is not exactly an official character, but simply a fan who has caught the attention of the Creators - a pawn, if you will.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Nikki uncovered===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NikkiB at Greg&#039;s wedding-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|Alli Danziger at the Goodfried&#039;s Wedding.]]&lt;br /&gt;
On January 25, a post on [[Milowent]]&#039;s blog revealed that Nikki Bower was portrayed by [[Alli Danziger]] a friend of [[the Creators]], however, Nikki has stated that she is not canon. ([http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?p=170690#170690 See forum post].) It is clear however that despite being revealed as fictional, Nikki is determined to remain [[&amp;quot;in character&amp;quot;|in character]].  Also, it has now become apparent where Nikki gets her anonymous tips from, however, the question remains whether or not she is truly canon.  It is possible that Nikki is working independently of the Creators fueled with insider information.  Alli D had done a previous Nikki B style roving news journalist bit as part of her acting training. This is very likely the well from which Nikki B sprang with the blessing of the Creators. Either way, whether she is canon or not, much of her information obviously is. Additionally, many fans feel that Nikki B brings a much needed levity in the face of the increasing darkness of the main story line and are thankful for her contributions no matter where they originate from.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since her discovery, she has appeared in a few official Lonelygirl15 videos, giving the debate on whether or not she is canon new life.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other Miscellaneous Info==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBRNDGTL.gif|thumb|left|Nancy Drew?]]In her video [[Watchers Everywhere]], Nikki reads from a copy of [[Nancy Drew&#039;s Guide to Life]], a book that was found in a [[Drop 3 (The Tachyon Mystery Stories)|Tachyon drop]]. She reads the following quote from the book:&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;Don&#039;t discount faint lines or indecipherable blotches on discarded pieces of paper. A magnifying glass might reveal them to be very small words.&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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In most of her videos, Nikki is walking around and the camera is following her, even though she is clearly not holding it. Nikki never acknowledges a camera person, but it is obvious that she must have one. When asked who her cameraman was by a YouTuber, she replied that it was her mom. (comment on NBR 6)&lt;br /&gt;
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The YouTuber Moldova pointed out that a tag on her third video is &amp;quot;nikkiebowerreport&amp;quot; (note spelling with &amp;quot;e&amp;quot;) leading one to ask the obvious question: who spells their own name wrong? However, it is possible the &amp;quot;e&amp;quot; is her middle initial.&lt;br /&gt;
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You can learn more about her home at [[Nikki Bower&#039;s house]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Theories==&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== New Jonas Picture? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don&#039;t I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won&#039;t really mind if it was changed.  I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down??  Then maybe the pics won&#039;t look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design!  I felt like each character had their own little &amp;quot;pedistol&amp;quot; if you will.  Kind of said, &amp;quot;look at me.  I am important.&amp;quot;  Haha, I don&#039;t know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad.  I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn&#039;t save), but meh.  Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, I&#039;m not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did.  Eh, it&#039;s sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like this pic, but it doesn&#039;t match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Spencer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn&#039;t he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
:However, isn&#039;t he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
I agree.  If he&#039;s only here for two months, we can always remove him.  I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a &amp;quot;main blogging character&amp;quot;.  I&#039;d also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenshots? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don&#039;t have them, and they don&#039;t seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it&#039;s lack of time, I&#039;ll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something&#039;s up with downloading pics.  If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] &amp;amp; [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, &#039;&#039; &#039;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&#039; &#039;&#039;.  Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, it&#039;s fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== OpAphid ==&lt;br /&gt;
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OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison&#039;s section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Someone!!! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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== Outdating ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; or something? She&#039;s not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we&#039;re going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we&#039;re in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t think a &amp;quot;deceased&amp;quot; category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don&#039;t want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn&#039;t take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she&#039;s not just some kind of guest character that&#039;s gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.&lt;br /&gt;
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead.  there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:And in the end, don&#039;t forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a &amp;quot;Deceased&amp;quot; heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade.  We don&#039;t want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she&#039;s just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I&#039;m going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she&#039;ll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won&#039;t spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won&#039;t make people automatically assume she&#039;s dead. Just a thought. &#039;&#039;&#039;-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, &#039;07 11:28 AM EST&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn&#039;t been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I&#039;d like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it&#039;s &amp;quot;alphabetical&amp;quot;, but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree&#039;s picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character&#039;s appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I&#039;d hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon?  I&#039;m getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it&#039;s going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree wholeheartedly that &amp;quot;Daniel in sombrero&amp;quot; is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they&#039;ve changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
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I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 4:05 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that&#039;s where this pic&#039;ll end up.  But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, crap. I didn&#039;t even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:22 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry, I recently added  Emma in the character section. I didn&#039;t think about having it approved...Der &amp;gt;.&amp;lt; I was gonna to, but I didn&#039;t so....My fault. &lt;br /&gt;
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Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Bree Portal Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
I know, I&#039;m supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn&#039;t sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I&#039;m talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, I&#039;m going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree&#039;s Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree.  There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms.  Like why not Jules?  Or Aunt Alex?  Op/Tach/Bro?  I could go on...  I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages.  That&#039;s how I see it at least.  What do other people think? (Oh and while I&#039;m thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree&#039;s box right now?  Too light?  Too dark?  Just right? Let me know!  Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I think if Bree&#039;s staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They&#039;re both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn&#039;t mean they shouldn&#039;t be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn&#039;t make a difference.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it&#039;s still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::#The series is frickin&#039; &#039;&#039;named&#039;&#039; after Bree.&lt;br /&gt;
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma&#039;s few side-vids or Spencer&#039;s half a dozen appearances.&lt;br /&gt;
::::It&#039;s just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.&lt;br /&gt;
::::There is a &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; people are pissed about Bree&#039;s death - just like a lonelygirl15 &#039;&#039;series&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t work without a lonelygirl15, a &#039;&#039;portal&#039;&#039; doesn&#039;t, either. You can&#039;t have a portal to Bree&#039;s series without her.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C&#039;s give us a new cast photo.  It wouldn&#039;t be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that&#039;s what you use.  Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere.  I&#039;m no rush to excise bree from the portal.  You know, Bree&#039;s eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky.  --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::For the record, we didn&#039;t even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere.  Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner .  :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m not quite understanding the whole &amp;quot;spoliers&amp;quot; reasoning. There&#039;s a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: &#039;&#039;All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don&#039;t want to see SPOILERS, do not read further&#039;&#039;. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree&#039;s picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There&#039;s a big difference between &#039;&#039;the text&#039;&#039; giving away information you don&#039;t want to know, and &#039;&#039;the page itself&#039;&#039;. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can&#039;t not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin&#039; obvious, and you can&#039;t ignore it - no matter if you&#039;ve just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she&#039;s dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: &#039;&#039;The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk &#039;&#039;&#039;LEAVE, ENTER&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Current Main Characters?? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma.  I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree).  Yay or nay? ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Taylor should be taken off the list ... she&#039;s been gone for about a month now.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I&#039;m getting the vibe that it&#039;s Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m down with that order.  The big challenge is finding &amp;quot;headshots&amp;quot; for Em and Mal, now.. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Ach... sorry, I didn&#039;t see that this discussion was already going on up above.  But seriously, I think it&#039;s time to change it... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree&#039;s portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007&lt;br /&gt;
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I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice.  I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any &#039;&#039;former&#039;&#039; character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... &amp;quot;former&amp;quot; characters.  There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character&#039;s pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in.  The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; lonelygirl15.  She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don&#039;t think she should look the same as all the other characters.  Hence the greying.  I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we&#039;re in &amp;quot;mourning&amp;quot; for her.. so to speak.  Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree).  Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character&#039;s heads a fairly consistant size.  Consistancy = good :)&lt;br /&gt;
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So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Opinions on new news design? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Known problems:&lt;br /&gt;
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read&lt;br /&gt;
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who&#039;s blogging? I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks :)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Yellow:&#039;&#039;&#039; Newest vid.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Lighter grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Even episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Darker grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Odd episode numbers.&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Dark purple-ish grey:&#039;&#039;&#039; Videos with no &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; number, i.e. those containing letters.&lt;br /&gt;
::Usually, this&#039;d lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I won&#039;t deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but &#039;&#039;it is&#039;&#039; growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow.  That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|&#039;&#039;&#039;Baby-Duck-Syndrome&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::hehe...but as long as it&#039;s growing on you :D&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for the events, that&#039;s a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn&#039;t touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn&#039;t work.&lt;br /&gt;
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I&#039;m the only one, I guess we&#039;ll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they&#039;re probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn&#039;t be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: Heh, we&#039;ve imprinted. I don&#039;t have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I like the yellow. It screams &amp;quot;new video.&amp;quot; If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Brand New Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures.  I think they came out really good, and everyone I&#039;ve asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m looking for images where they look really good.. then I&#039;m trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot.  So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they&#039;re ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I really like it. It was time for a change. --  [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote... Yes to Zoey&#039;s design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yay, I&#039;m so so glad you like it!  I&#039;m still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can.  So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don&#039;t like, that&#039;d be great.  Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I&#039;ll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:darkgreen&amp;quot;&amp;gt;JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dates for videos==&lt;br /&gt;
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting.  Am I wrong on this one? I won&#039;t change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I say they all should list the date.&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it&#039;s also confusing - how is someone who&#039;s coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;Breeniverse&#039; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she&#039;s quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s the term the Creators used so far. We&#039;re open for suggestions, but &amp;quot;lonelyverse&amp;quot; kind of sounds depressive, and &amp;quot;danielverse&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;jonasverse&amp;quot; are just as personal. &amp;quot;Orderverse&amp;quot; sounds like the Order is the protagonist. &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.&lt;br /&gt;
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What do you think?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie &amp;amp; Gina, who knows?), that&#039;s a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal title image. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.&lt;br /&gt;
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it would look like this:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I&#039;m a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 8:58 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren&#039;s trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change &#039;&#039;again&#039;&#039;, so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where&#039;d you get the font sample from? It&#039;s extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Flickr. It wasn&#039;t pixelated though. I just resized it and because I&#039;m not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:43 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, I made a new version that&#039;s less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::Here:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::{{header|1=&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;|off=yes}}&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::an improvement, but we won&#039;t use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, &#039;08 - 9:54 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== GINA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Put up sideline pitcure of Gina&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND!&lt;br /&gt;
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RESPOND&lt;br /&gt;
RESPOND&lt;br /&gt;
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She&#039;s not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can&#039;t even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU&lt;br /&gt;
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== Emma&#039;s Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please Respond!&lt;br /&gt;
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== YouWish8=AUNTALEX&#039;S ACCOUNT? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and &lt;br /&gt;
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?&lt;br /&gt;
Why, none other than Jonas&#039;s Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:&lt;br /&gt;
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page.  The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that&#039;s about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==JONAS&#039;S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s not dark? It looks the same as everyone else&#039;s--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they&#039;re maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they&#039;ll motivate someone else to do better. :)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Steve on LG15? ==&lt;br /&gt;
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he&#039;s coming to the U.S?&lt;br /&gt;
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== REMOVING SARAH? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?&lt;br /&gt;
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree actually, but I&#039;d give it until Monday. If she doesn&#039;t show up in Monday&#039;s video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;d give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they&#039;ve been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she&#039;s only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she&#039;s left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah&#039;s been a main character for well over a year and she&#039;s been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Redesign ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you&#039;re happy with your new and improved character row.&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The problem doesn&#039;t appear in 7.0. I&#039;m going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I&#039;ll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, well, it&#039;s about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}&lt;br /&gt;
:She&#039;s not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she&#039;ll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore.  Technically, she is...although, she&#039;s not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above.  Same goes for Kate on KM.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Main Character Merit==&lt;br /&gt;
Basically, I&#039;d like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they&#039;ve been killed off and if they:&lt;br /&gt;
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)&lt;br /&gt;
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant). &lt;br /&gt;
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That&#039;s just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We&#039;d have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren&#039;t the namesakes of either series, I&#039;d probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn&#039;t constantly referenced, he really shouldn&#039;t be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Order of Characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn&#039;t discuss or get anyone else&#039;s opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really like the &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it&#039;s the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Er, we need a B&amp;amp;W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Gina on the character row ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What are peoples&#039; thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I don&#039;t really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it&#039;s not like Gina&#039;s the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what&#039;s going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show&#039;s namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Keep on the character row as a B&amp;amp;W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn&#039;t really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Zoey.  Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed.  I don&#039;t really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character.  Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don&#039;t want a lot of clutter.  But we definately shouldn&#039;t jump the gun on taking her off the row.  You never know what could happen.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead.  LOL.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it.  Gina is dead.  I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it.  Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn&#039;t.  I think that anyone that was on the character&#039;s row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased.  As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row.  She was never really that important.  Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it&#039;s only fair to include her.  In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here&#039;s the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn&#039;t really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn&#039;t have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn&#039;t even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No need to get snippy.  Just because I don&#039;t agree with you doesn&#039;t mean you have to be rude to me.  Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story.  Gemma... not so much.  So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea.  You start to get into the whole &amp;quot;who&#039;s important enough, who isn&#039;t&amp;quot; question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies.  Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don&#039;t need to be immediately accessed.  That&#039;s what the larger &amp;quot;[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]&amp;quot; page is for.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than &amp;quot;[[Drew Avery]]&amp;quot; on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That&#039;s not fair to Crystal at all.&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is beyond true!  Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased.  I just don&#039;t like how this is turning into a &amp;quot;I&#039;m high and mighty so my point is more valid&amp;quot; debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s appropriate to have the recognition on the character row.  BTW, I don&#039;t see anybody acting &amp;quot;high and mighty&amp;quot;.  It&#039;s been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far.  The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis.  It seems everyone here treats each other with respect.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I propose that we add a &amp;quot;memorial&amp;quot; page, and make it featured content or something. I know it&#039;s not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on &amp;quot;[[orange]]&amp;quot; and how it is such an evil color, so I&#039;m not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Something along those lines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea at all.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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she should be on character row as bree was kept.  sure she&#039;s not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn&#039;t be where it is if it wasnt&#039; for her story... just gray out her pic.  simple.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Video Screencap Redirects==&lt;br /&gt;
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video&#039;s article?  It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people.  I&#039;ve always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors.  Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well.  Keep it consistant, you know?  It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video&#039;s article.  Doesn&#039;t seem to be a huge addition to the &amp;quot;adding new video&amp;quot; ritual.  Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions?  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You&#039;re right.  I didn&#039;t consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it&#039;s used in another article or something.  Dumb idea.  [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Not &amp;quot;dumb,&amp;quot; it&#039;s a totally valid idea! I just don&#039;t really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Character Row Post Aug 1==&lt;br /&gt;
If you haven&#039;t already checked it out, I&#039;d like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it&#039;s been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we&#039;ll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we&#039;ll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we&#039;ll want to include. I know it&#039;s a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I&#039;ve typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I&#039;m coming from.&lt;br /&gt;
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The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.&lt;br /&gt;
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The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...&lt;br /&gt;
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*Bree - 153&lt;br /&gt;
*Daniel - 273&lt;br /&gt;
*Gemma - 21&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas - 242&lt;br /&gt;
*OpAphid - 33&lt;br /&gt;
*Tachyon - 12&lt;br /&gt;
*Alex - 15&lt;br /&gt;
*Sarah - 134&lt;br /&gt;
*Taylor - 47&lt;br /&gt;
*Spencer - 24&lt;br /&gt;
*Emma - 62&lt;br /&gt;
*Mallory - 22&lt;br /&gt;
*Jennie - 76&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina - 61&lt;br /&gt;
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Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I&#039;d very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I&#039;m going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yikes. I&#039;d like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more &amp;quot;important&amp;quot; character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don&#039;t think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that&#039;s what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that&#039;s not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we&#039;re talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Fair enough, I hadn&#039;t considered resolution. I&#039;m just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can&#039;t make a realistic mock-up, but textually:&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&amp;amp;oldid=134968 here], but I can&#039;t figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you&#039;d lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I&#039;ll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it&#039;s too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that&#039;s where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it&#039;s important that we don&#039;t forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the &#039;pedia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won&#039;t just automatically click the Characters link. That&#039;s like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they&#039;ll be able to click the &amp;quot;List of Videos&amp;quot; link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what&#039;s the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel&#039;s page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel&#039;s page on the front page.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::...gotta love how these things turn out.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yeah, I can see your intended point (&amp;quot;zing!!!!?&amp;quot;) and the fallacy of it simultaneously.  As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good.  Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; prominent, yet will &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest.  Apples aren&#039;t oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done.  Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I&#039;m a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.--[[User:KindredPhantom|KindredPhantom]] 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I&#039;m not a fan of the current KateModern character row because it excludes Lauren and Tariq, but if we were to apply that principle here the only character would be Daniel.  I think it would be best to go with the six character row of Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie, though, because that would look best and those are probably the most significant characters.  [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 16:26, 8 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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For the people who said eight people character rows (this includes KateModern&#039;s portal page), and I&#039;m one of you, remember, if we want to go that route, we have to come up with a solution for it to LOOK good (on all resolutions and browsers). Any ideas? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:30, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]Hmmm. Well, the smaller images... is there any way to center them (i.e. so they&#039;re not sticking to the top?) That might work... :&#039; --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 23:11, 8 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Resizing the background image is a possibility too. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:01, 9 July 2008&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This is roughly what it would look like. I just modified the screenshot I took to make this, but if people think it&#039;s worth trying, I&#039;ll go ahead and try to modify the background image and we can see what it would really look like. Or, if someone else wants to give it a shot....--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:46, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I think it looks beautiful, and I strongly believe that there are 8 characters worth putting onto the row in both shows. I would love to actually fix the image, but I just don&#039;t have sophisticated enough programs (that I can actually use efficiently) at my home. Only at school... --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:40, 9 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Okay, I just cut down the background image and resized the overlay gif, and you can see what it looks like at [[Portal:KateModern/New]]. If someone wants to do something besides cut 18 pixels off the bottom of the middle background image to make it look better, that&#039;d be great. And the gif &#039;&#039;has&#039;&#039; to be redone because Paint destroys transparency. (Yes, I used Paint... that is all I have unfortunately.) Anyway, what does everyone think? Is it worth keeping? Are there other ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:33, 9 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Impressive for Paint. Guess I have no excuse...Anyway, I think it&#039;s the winning solution RIGHT NOW, but we might be able to come up with better. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:22, 10 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. They&#039;re the eight that have appeared the most, and the longest running (also, they&#039;re the characters featured in the promotional photos for Season 3 plus Bree). The other characters that could be considered -&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Gemma&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap, 1 was a Nikki Bower video, 5 were OpAphid ARG videos), Only around for three months&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;OpAphid&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 14 times (13 were OpAphid videos), No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Tachyon&#039;&#039;&#039;, Never Appeared on Camera, No longer canon to lg15 and appearing in Redearth88&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Alex&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 15 times (1 was a recap), Was only around for two months, and a week in July.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Spencer&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 24 times (2 were recaps), Was only around for a month and a half.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Mallory&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 21 times (1 was a recap), appeared regularly for 2 months and every once in a while for another 3. &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 18 times (1 was stock footage), appeared for two months, much older than the other characters.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Carl&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 38 times (2 were recaps), Appeared on a recurring basis for nearly a year, And regularly in the next three months.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Nikki B.&#039;&#039;&#039;, Appeared 30 times (2 were recaps, 26 were her videos), Pseudo-Canon, and only in 2 real official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
Just my thoughts --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So, there hasn&#039;t been much progress in over a week...Have we reached a consensus that &amp;lt;b&amp;gt;8 smaller&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; pics (pretty much just like the mock-up that the great jonpro made) is the right option? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 01:50, 22 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;d say so. Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT)|I&#039;d say so.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Pheon, 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)|Back to the discussion, while there have been about &#039;&#039;&#039;ten different posters&#039;&#039;&#039; on this discussion page, that &#039;&#039;&#039;just not a good consensus&#039;&#039;&#039;. [...] And yes, Admins don&#039;t need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the &#039;&#039;&#039;lack of discussion here&#039;&#039;&#039; (myself included) &#039;&#039;&#039;just shows such a consensus isn&#039;t there&#039;&#039;&#039; and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven&#039;t had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, would waiting a little longer for some actual discussion be so bad? We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:45, 23 July 2008 (CDT), at the bottom of the talk page|Assuming there are no objections, we&#039;ll go ahead and implement this after the finale on August 1st. Thanks everyone!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::{{quote|Renegade, 18:04, 19 April 2008, in the middle of the LG15 portal|Unless there are any [[User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|last minute objections]], we&#039;ll be going live with [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15|the redesign]] on Monday.}}&lt;br /&gt;
::::{{quote|Jonpro, 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT) |I for not did not see the notice that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it&#039;s not fair to call me either &amp;quot;blind or illiterate&amp;quot; because of that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Ah, hypocrisy. This discussion oozes it.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 23 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, to be fair, there was an unsigned &amp;quot;I agree!&amp;quot; that you failed to mention.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::While we&#039;re on the subject, though, I would like to make sure we&#039;re doing 8 with KM too and adding Tariq and Lauren back in.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::EDIT: Apparently, this has already been changed. Ignore the above. :) Thanks. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:12, 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, To be fair, the other discussion was about the redesign of the entire page. This is only in regards to the character bar... As for the objections, the KM bar has been up for a while, and so far there have been no objections. Also, keep in mind that 2 admins have participated in this discussion, whereas before they didn&#039;t until after the decision to make it go live. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 24 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Unsurprisingly, that is a &#039;&#039;&#039;lie&#039;&#039;&#039;. In the previous discussion, before the revert, Pheon and Zoey participated, after the revert, Pheon and Jonpro left comments. The previous discussion had two admins twice, and overall both admins that participated here. But nice try to spin it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::In addition, the segments I quoted are independent from whatever is being discussed. Whether 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; for [[Special:Statistics|1,111 registered users]] is not a question of what&#039;s being discussed, it&#039;s a question of realism - either you accept that only a fraction of people discuss, or not. &#039;&#039;&#039;Either 10 people &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia, or not.&#039;&#039;&#039; Both discussions regarded a long-term change to the optics of the portal. Moreso, the post-revert discussion was &#039;&#039;entirely&#039;&#039; about the character row. So even &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; these quotes were tied to the situation, both discussions are not only very much comparable, but ultimately about the &#039;&#039;same thing&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::The important point is that the administration has previously decided that around ten users do not count as a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot;, and that the form of announcement used is unacceptable. Now the administratation uses that exact form of announcement, &#039;&#039;even less visible than before&#039;&#039;, for the same amount of consensus, to change the same thing on the same page. And suddenly, magically, it&#039;s all good.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hypocrisy, despotism, elitism, amnesia - call it what you want. It&#039;s happening. Right here. Right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;proves&#039;&#039;&#039; that I acted exactly as the administration did &#039;&#039;and does to this very day&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Renounce&#039;&#039;&#039; the &#039;&#039;still&#039;&#039; unproven allegations against me. &#039;&#039;&#039;Admit&#039;&#039;&#039; that the ban against me was unnecessary. &#039;&#039;&#039;Clear my name.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:45, 24 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;@Phisho: The previous discussion had an entire section full of random, singular statements of approval. If anything, &amp;quot;only&amp;quot; one is a sign that I had &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; support.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::It&#039;s not true that what you quoted is independent from this discussion. The character row is changed all the time. We don&#039;t have a major discussion to decide whether to add Taylor back into it when she posts her first video in months, we just do it. However, this change of the character row is a more permanent one, and Zoey asked community members what their thoughts were. With your portal redesign, it was a permanent, different, major change, and it definitely needed to be cleared with the community since it essentially changed the face of LGPedia. However, with this character row change, we have basically resolved to emulate the KateModern portal page, which, you will see, required no discussion to change. Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Now, if you personally have an opposition to an 8 image character row that has not previously been brought up, go ahead and say it so that the community can resolve it quickly as to still have a plan for Friday. If not, your criticisms of users&#039; actions are not relevant. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:30, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::How is it not true?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of whether or not 10 users can form a &amp;quot;good consensus&amp;quot; on LGPedia is independent from what the consensus is about.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;The question of how to publish an impending change on LGPedia is independent from what that change is.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Fact is, I behaved &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; as the administration, and I got reverted, yelled at, libeled and ultimately banned, while Jonpro does the same and happily moves on to the next topic. This behavior is independent from the discussions it happened in. The fact that it was essentially the same discussion only serves to emphasize the hypocrisy.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::In fact, you&#039;re saying it quite well: &amp;quot;Simply put, this discussion was somewhat a courtesy.&amp;quot; - fuck what the 1111+ registered users want. Give them the illusion of participation, and then do what &#039;&#039;the administration&#039;&#039; already decided anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::You&#039;re trying to pretend the discussions were different. If you still didn&#039;t understand the concept of the series &#039;&#039;ending&#039;&#039; on August 1st, and how that means that there will be no new lonelygirl15 videos, making the Character Row indeed permanent, representing the central cast of lonelygirl15 for the rest of times, then I think you should first become aware of the intentions and background of this discussion, before trying to tell me I got it wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Both discussions are about a permanent change on the portal. Both administration-led discussions are solely about the character row. Three times, the same way of decision making was used. The one time it wasn&#039;t by the administration, there was retaliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Oh, btw: On what grounds do you decide when it is necessary to discuss a change with the userbase, and when not?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::And for the record, yes, I am opposed to the 8-char-char-row as depicted above. Independent from the fuckup that is the code by now, independent from the fact that the design was destroyed last time anyway, the change proposed misaligns the gradients of the film strip and its border, and it makes the header area inexplicably break off in the middle. Compare the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal. Correctly, in the lg15 one, the header area spawns off-screen, and the film strip is clearly below it. Thanks to the design crew&#039;s great skill of &amp;quot;cropping this shit until it fits&amp;quot;, the Katemodern one looks like the upper film border and the strip are behind the header area, while, magically, the lower film border is in front of the header, hiding its lower part. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::The lg15 header area has a clear volume and a clear position on the z-axis, hovering over the film strip, which has one continuous gradient coloring.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The KM header is illogically cut off, the film strip&#039;s coloring is destroyed. There is simply nothing left of the design elements in the KM version. The fact that the header has a volume? Destroyed. If it has, where is that seen at the lower end? The fact that it hovers over the film strip? Gone. Where&#039;s the correct shadowing? The fact that the film strip is a film strip? If it is, how come the lower end is totally out of sync with the rest of the supposed strip? How come the header is visually coming out from behind it?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Then again, it doesn&#039;t surprise me - I&#039;ve seen last time that people around here apparently think a design works always and under any circumstances, no matter how and where it is modified. It&#039;s like slashing a car&#039;s tires and assuming it&#039;ll still work fine, based on the fact that it still mostly looks like before.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::If you have different needs than this design can provide, than you have to redesign. It&#039;s as simple as that. You cannot change half the design to fit your needs, and then pretend it is still the same as before and works fine. It might still look pretty, simply because anything looks better than what we had before, but it is very much not a coherent design anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Mind you, had the administration allowed me to design for actually functional browsers, all of this would be a non-issue. The film strip could harbor &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; character icons, and there would simply be a scroll bar to go through them. Or, alternatively, character icons would go &#039;&#039;under&#039;&#039; the header, so it looks like a design element instead of a bug.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Alas, all hail the Internet Explorer 6 crowd!&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:40, 27 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I fail to see what you see when it comes to the problems with the film strip image, but if you have a problem with it, fix it. The fact is, this discussion is different from the portal redesign discussion &#039;&#039;&#039;because we have a deadline&#039;&#039;&#039;. The series is ending on August 1st, and we need to have a new portal to reflect the series ending. If the &amp;quot;1,111+&amp;quot; members don&#039;t voice their opinion in the discussion by the deadline, we have no choice. We need to figure something out by Friday, and it seems that most people in this discussion (everybody except you and Zoey) agree that an eight-character row of smaller pictures is the way to go. No one has brought up any viable alternatives. If you have one, go ahead. Make this easier. We need an answer by Friday though. &lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Oh, and one more thing. You say that we ended up doing &amp;quot;exactly as the administration wanted,&amp;quot; but from what I can tell, Zoey is quite opposed to an eight-character row, and the first person to suggest a row of 8 characters was myself. Jonpro didn&#039;t quite agree at first either, and Pheon is absent. Explain to me how &amp;quot;the admins pulled the wool over eyes once again to make us look like we had a voice even though all three are oppressive dictators who ban people for doing exactly what they do.&amp;quot; Perhaps not a direct quote, but you get the point.--[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:05, 28 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh please...you know what a deadline is? When the Creators say &amp;quot;You have two weeks to create these portals for us. No help, just do it.&amp;quot;. Where the hell is there a deadline here? Not a single piece of content will be missing if it takes another day or two to update the character row. Nobody expects any specific icons to magically pop up on August 1st.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Hell, not even lonelygirl15.com, the main site of all main sites for lonelygirl15 will be changed to reflect everything - they&#039;ll just freeze it once the new site is up. What exactly creates a vital deadline that under no circumstances must be missed here? I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ll be able to get to Spencer&#039;s page just fine on August 2nd, no matter if you decide to put a link on the portal or not.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna be all panicky? You want everything to be in place by Friday, so the second the series is over, the eternal portal stands?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Then how come you haven&#039;t decided on which pictures to use for the content boxes yet?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or how to balance out the fact that lonelygirl15 had 3 seasons, as opposed to the 2 on the KM portal?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Do you want to keep the position that links to bebo, and replace it with YouTube?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::There are a dozen things you still have to decide in order to create the finished eternal portal. Stop trying to pretend this is oh-so-dramatically urgent. If it was, Zoey would be on your ass to finish it &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I know - because, other than you, I have worked with &#039;&#039;actual&#039;&#039; deadlines.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And no, I will not do you the favor of fixing the fuckup for you. You asked if I had a problem with it, I answered your question. If you don&#039;t like the answer, tough luck. I don&#039;t care enough to fix your problems for you.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::As for the matter of doing the administration&#039;s bidding - sorry to shatter your little world, but the idea to change the row was brought up by Zoey, and the technique how it will ultimately be done was posted and confirmed by Jon. Your only &amp;quot;major&amp;quot; contribution was advocating 8 instead of 6 icons. You are doing exactly what the administration wants because you a) do what Zoey wants by changing it in the first place, and b) do what Jonpro wants by changing it in the way he proposed.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Or are you trying to tell me two more icons are revolution of the userbase? A sign of power?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::The idea came from Zoey, the way of execution from Jon. You just asked for a little more of it.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And hell, what did you even decide? Looking up there, all I see is that everybody happily accepted 8 small pictures.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...eight small pictures of &#039;&#039;whom&#039;&#039;?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You have this oh-so-vital deadline that must not, under any circumstances, be missed, and yet, I cannot find a final vote or any consensus on who should take up those 8 spots you fought oh-so-hard for.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::So. Let&#039;s say nothing stands in your way, Zoey doesn&#039;t revert and ban you, you happily ignore me, and get your 8 small spots up just in time for the last second of the last episode&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...who will be in those spots?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::...based on whose decision?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You are telling me &#039;&#039;in bold&#039;&#039; that you have phantom deadline that has to be kept, yet out of all the things that have to be done, all you have managed to do is reach a consensus on the size and number of icon slots.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on who should fill the slots&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on which pictures/episodes should represent the seasons&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on whether to keep Additional Viewing with just two links&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to handle the fact that LG15&#039;s left column will be one box longer&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Taylor&#039;s Jumper adventures&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::*You have no decision on how to treat Community Appreciation Week&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And that&#039;s just the stuff I can come up with on the spot. &lt;br /&gt;
::::::::All you have is &amp;quot;8 small&amp;quot;. You have managed to follow the administration&#039;s lead on a tiny design element for a page that must go live in its entirety in three days, or the world will end. Way to prepare for the invisible deadline of doom. LG15 is vastly longer and vastly different than KateModern. Deciding upon the character row icon size does not magically adapt the entire format of the KM portal for LG15.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::(...or is this the part where you decide community consensus is unnecessary, and just make up the rest of the content on the spot, no matter what others think?)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::You wanna play &amp;quot;OMG WE HAVE TO MEET THE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!&amp;quot;? Then you better get to work. &#039;cause you have three days to create an entire site!&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::And make no mistake: So far you have only &#039;&#039;decided upon&#039;&#039; 8 small icons. You haven&#039;t actually &#039;&#039;implemented&#039;&#039; it yet. Your entire work to meet the oh-so-important deadline in three days, so far, consists of making one single decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::You don&#039;t have anything. You have an idea. A partial plan. You have &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039; that meets the deadline of doom.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::And you don&#039;t seem to be all that concerned about that. So quit fucking giving me shit about how it&#039;s soooo important to be done by August 1st. Because, quite evidently, no one on this page, including you, sees it that way. Or else there would be a lot more panic, a lot more discussion, and simply a lot more &#039;&#039;work&#039;&#039; here.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::Oh and btw: The irony that you insist this discussion is entirely different from the previous one, when, once more, the only issue is the character row, and, once more, the only dissenting opinion is Zoey, is hilarious.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Don&#039;t tell me that I have had no experience with deadlines. There&#039;s no room for personal attacks here. I&#039;m not trying to fight you, so there&#039;s no need to fight back. Now, I understand that there are other issues that need to be worked out, but I&#039;m concerned with the character row. If there&#039;s another discussion somewhere, I&#039;ll contribute to that too, but right now, I&#039;m focusing on the character row. The only question you brought up about the row was...&amp;quot;Who&#039;s going to be in it?&amp;quot; Well...&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Phisho 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)|If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|LimePenguin 19:55, 7 July 2008|My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|KindredPhantom 10:35, 8 July 2008 (CDT)| Well Bree, Daniel &amp;amp; Jonas definetely need to be on the reel. Sarah &amp;amp; Taylor should also be included for the parts they played in the latter half of series 1, even though Taylor is no longer on the show she is referenced at times. I think that including Gina &amp;amp; Emma is a must as well since they are both trait postivie females even though Gina&#039;s blood was of no use she was still trait positive. Finally keep Jennie she will be one of the characters to appear in the finale and in my opinon those who were there in the beginning and those who were there in the end should be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|FH14 18 July 2008 (EST)|For the record, the eight characters for lg15, IMO, should be Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina. }}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::{{quote|Nancypants 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)|So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Yeah, one user even thought we were being repetitive. Anyway, if anyone has any objections with Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina, could you go ahead and speak up if you haven&#039;t already, please? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 21:32, 29 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::So wait...you&#039;re trying to convince me that it&#039;s rather clear...by repeating that, a week later, people still had to ask what was decided, because there was no official decision? You&#039;re trying to pretend it&#039;s already settled, then ask people for more opinions?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Your perception of reality is WARPED, dude.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Either you&#039;re done, or you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re not done, embrace the question below us, stick to your request for comments, and accept you&#039;re not done. If you&#039;re done, proclaim the winners and stop asking for opinions on this. (After all, you don&#039;t have time to discuss this - you&#039;re on the hyper-important murder-deadline of doom.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You can&#039;t pretend I&#039;m wrong and behave like the decision has been made, and then prove yourself that nobody has made a decision.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::If the decision has been made, point out where it has been made. If not, suck it up and accept that I was right, and that you have &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; made a final decision yet.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::::Oh and btw: If you do indeed have experience with deadlines, then you probably know you&#039;ll miss this one - at least assuming you don&#039;t decide community consensus is unnecessary, and Phisho knows best.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:32, 30 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So...what have we decided? Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, Gina? I think that&#039;s best. Not trying to be repetitive just trying to figure out what&#039;s been decided. Sorry for not participating in this discussion at all. I&#039;m &#039;&#039;sure&#039;&#039; you all missed me greatly! :P [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:44, 25 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think that&#039;s exactly how it should be, unless anyone has any suggestions. And I &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; miss you, even though I don&#039;t know you all too well. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:43, 25 July 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, shouldn&#039;t someone make a mock up of, you know, LG15 characters for the character row? Although I don&#039;t care about all this irrelevant arguing brought about by Renegade, he is making a good point about the fact that we haven&#039;t discussed what pictures to use and we don&#039;t even have an example of what it will look like. I&#039;d make one but don&#039;t know how and probably don&#039;t have time. And Ren, if you&#039;d have just dropped it when you came back nobody would even remember you&#039;d been banned. And believe me, nobody will ever care enough to &amp;quot;clear your name&amp;quot;. Why don&#039;t you just start constructively contributing again? It would sure be a lot more helpful, because really your just screwing up the discussion with your irrelevant grudges from the past. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:24, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. How about I publicly accuse you of murder and then just leave?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Perhaps because the two aren&#039;t equivalent. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Murder?! Somebody&#039;s being a little dramatic here. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry guys, I could have sworn I posted this! Some other pediapods and I made this mockup [[User:Zoey/Portal:Lonelygirl15]] of the page. It still has the larger icons, but it&#039;s otherwise set, I think. Come Saturday we&#039;ll probably go live with this design (with the smaller icons, of course). Please let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:02, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Excellent! And, actually, the larger icons threw me off; I now prefer it with the smaller ones. I was wondering why you weren&#039;t contributing to this discussion. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 00:59, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Awesome, looks good, and I do like the smaller icons definitely.  [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:41, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a note on this whole thing: if there is anyone who is willing/able to make improvements to the design, please go for it. As always on a page like this, see what people think of it first, but if it gains acceptance then we can implement it. These portals are not set in stone. If improvements can be made, there&#039;s absolutely no reason why we wouldn&#039;t make them.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:32, 1 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hmm...I can&#039;t say that I like the Season 3 picture. The black-and-white throws it off from the rest of the page. I suggest a picture of Gina, and then we have Bree, Emma, and Gina for each season? Whatever we do, let&#039;s make it color. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay um... how about...&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0420-GinaDaniel.JPG|150px]] [[Image:0425-Gina2.jpg|150px]] [[Image:0471-RoundtheLaptop.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Any of those? I&#039;ll keep looking, that&#039;s just what I saw first. (Personally I like the one with Gina drawing. It was such a big deal... her drawings and all. And it&#039;s a nice picture.) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:16, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It (the second picture, with Gina drawing) is a nice picture, and it matches the other season pictures. I like it. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:33, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry for the double-edit, but I also really like this one. {{clr}} [[Image:0467-Gina_cries-none.jpg|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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::If you look on the main page, the picture of Bree has her with her head on her knee, and she looks worried. Emma looks worried in the Season 2 picture, and to have a picture of Gina crying would be sort of symbolic, I suppose. Thoughts? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:39, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally I like the one of her drawing, I don&#039;t think we need everyone looking depressed. In fact, now that you mention it, what about replacing the Bree one with one of these (I like the first best, I think)? Otherwise I do still really like the First Blog pic, so I&#039;m fine keeping that. I&#039;m just trying to think of something... happier?&lt;br /&gt;
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::::[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|150px]] [[Image:Breee.JPG|150px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Just my thoughts though, lets see what other people say! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:59, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like the one of her drawing, definitely think we should use that one. I agree about not liking the B&amp;amp;W pic. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:20, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the portal*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at previous statements*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;looks at the date*&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Guess we&#039;re all doomed now - you missed the ultra-hyper-mega-cannot-be-missed-important deadline! :O&lt;br /&gt;
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:55, 2 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Forum Link==&lt;br /&gt;
Now that it&#039;s removed from the side bar, shouldn&#039;t there still be a link to the forum from this page?--[[User:TraverseTown|TraverseTown]] 14:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I concur. Does the KateModern page have a link? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:08, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Character Row Updates ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the creators included Maxwell Glick as a starring actor in the [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/?p=676 credits], should we considering adding Spencer to the main characters row? Also: they listed Alexandra before Becki (which is true, in order of &#039;&#039;official&#039;&#039; appearance), so should we switch those two around as well? It just makes sense to me to use what the Creators established in the credits video. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:55, 4 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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===How about with colors? ===&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hurrah for colors! I love this so much. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:46, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I definitely prefer it without the colors.  Too many clashing colors is never good design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:15, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The colors are nice and I like how they match up with the colors id&#039;ing the bloggers on the right side of the page.  If you look at the new box along with the rest of the main page, it works.  [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I agree with Malan89 the whole way. Live? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:22, 15 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::  I really think it looks bad.  Those aren&#039;t even the same colors as the initials.  They don&#039;t match at all. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:27, 15 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::  Don&#039;t worry about it for now.  I think we may be adding a &amp;quot;Taylor&amp;quot; block soon.  [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:32, 17 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Please no colors, I&#039;m serious.  The Main Page really doesn&#039;t need to be tricked out.  It has a simple color scheme that works great, and it has some pictures and color accents (like in the Init template) to keep things just interesting enough. I&#039;m actually not a fan of the colored boxes on the characters page either, but if you want to have a little fun with that, fine by me, just leave the main page as is, it looks much more polished and put together without the rainbow of fruity flavors.  Like Malan said, perhaps we should be more concerned with whether to add Taylor, Sarah, or Taylor&amp;amp;Sarah together to the Main block.  They&#039;ve already done their first &amp;quot;official&amp;quot; blog on their own, on the left-hand column.  Quite the milestone for them.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:27, 17 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::: I&#039;m ok with addeing them, but i think we should wait till it&#039;s certain they are going to last beyond this story arc, same thing for Jules. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:43, 18 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. Everyone thought Alex was going to be a main character (and she still could be recurring) but we haven&#039;t seen her in ages.  Let&#039;s be patient with with Taylor, Sarah, and Jules --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 20:58, 23 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Breeniverse Timeline ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that the Breeniverse Timeline has been cleaned up and brought up to date, we should add it to the main page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:38, 18 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Breeniverse Timeline has been cleaned up? Finally? I GOTTA GO CHECK THAT OUT! *hops away giddily* [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:56, 18 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sarah and Taylor==&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, now that Sarah and Taylor have both posted their own video blogs that have been posted on the main site, I think it&#039;s reasonable to add them to the main page.  I mean, if they &#039;&#039;don&#039;t&#039;&#039; end up lasting past this arc, we can always remove them.  They just seem significant enough at this point to merit a front-page character box.  Thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:37, 30 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with putting them up.  The Creators are obviously doing a thorough job trying to fill out these characters with their personalities, their relationships, and their parental issues, so I think they&#039;ll be up for awhile.  I didn&#039;t expect Sarah to actually POST anything outside of a Myspace Blog so soon, but I stand corrected. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:37, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I went through and found some good images of Sarah and Taylor.  They will probably need to be cropped better to match up with the other characters, but I wanted to get some options up.  What do people think (I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3, personally)?&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like Taylor 1 as well (very Secret Agent-y . . . don&#039;t ask).  But I&#039;m stuck between Sarah 1,3, AND 5.  1 just seems to have that Sarah-randomn-quality to it, 3 (besides the obvious) is from her first v-blog, and 5 matches up with her profile (currently).  So I&#039;m stuck on Sarah. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:35, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3. Taylor 2 and Sarah 5 are also good. --[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]] 19:51, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3 as well. The other two Taylor photos are also good in that... well, that room is where you usually see her. But I stand T1 and S3. I&#039;m glad we&#039;re adding them to the front page. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 20:33, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, it seems like T1 and S3 are the consensus?  Can anyone crop them so that their heads are the same size as the other chars on the front page?  Oh and also...&lt;br /&gt;
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OR um, yeah.  How should we handle the alignment with five chars?  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:47, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Here&#039;s a go at front-page quality images. They look bad full size, but I adjusted the face sizing and the saturation (only on Taylor&#039;s because it looked so bland between Jonas and Sarah).&lt;br /&gt;
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::I guess that looks a little more consistent? Just trying to help. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 22:08, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m loving this group of five!  So . . . on the alignment,I would prefer upside-down pyramid, if it&#039;s not too hard (The codes above look nightmare-ish).  It just looks like a horizontal band of five characters would just be too long. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:43, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel like the Sarah pic needs to be SLIGHTLY zoomed in more to make her face size more consistant with the rest.  I hope thats not too big a problem.  Oh, and maybe she should be &#039;&#039;desaturated&#039;&#039;.. shes like.. noticably brighter than everyone else...  But basically, other than that, are we good to go?&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s what I&#039;ve got based on the current consesus.  Like I said, I think Sarah&#039;s head should overall be larger to match with the rest of the chars but yeah.  Oh, and I iike the saturation on Taylor.  Yay, I can&#039;t wait for this to go live :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:50, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Alright, I resized and recropped Sarah, desaturated and darkened her just the slightest bit (sorry, boys, had to crop the cleavage), so I think she fits in a bit more now. Also, I tweaked the previous code so that the border between Taylor and Sarah is only 1 pixel instead of two. I do like the pyramid... it kind of gives the feel of them being secondary main characters. Plus, it won&#039;t stretch things in lower resolutions. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 20:32, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think it looks GREAT!!! If there are no objections shortly, I&#039;ll put it up on the main page.  Great work everyone!!  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: I strongly Object to the Pyramid layout. you put it up before anyone had time to object -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:14, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It look fantabulous!  Great job Zoey, Chartreuse, and everyone who figured out the new character-pyramid! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:41, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: I think it ould look better as a single line with smaller images.  the pyramid looks awfull -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:09, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The only problem with this is that it&#039;s going to look awful on lower resolutions. It&#039;ll stretch things all out of whack. I think the most characters you can have side-by-side is going to be four. It really is a shame we don&#039;t have one more character to try and balance the pyramid out. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 01:02, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I REALLY like the way it looks.  However, the two columns on the Main Page are now very uneven.  For this, I have a suggestion... how about we list the last 5 videos with thumbnails and descriptions, as opposed to 4?  It&#039;s more consistent with the 5 &amp;quot;previous videos,&amp;quot; and it will make the page look much more balanced.  Y/N?  ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:30, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I was actually thinking the same, but I thought, &#039;Hmmm . . . better let someone else bring it up first&#039; --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:55, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do actually kind of like the smaller images lined up in one row, but I still worry about what it will do to the page with smaller resolutions.  Does anyone with a smaller resolution want to check this out maybe?  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:23, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: in 1024X768 it looks great with 90px images but we can also reduce down to 80px images too. none of the formatted pages look good at 800x600, but I don&#039;t think we need to worry about that, since almost no one has a 13 inch monitor anymore. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:25, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: without objection I will change the page 12 hours from now.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:25, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Sounds great to me. No objections here. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 12:33, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sure, sounds fine. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:28, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Yeah . . . big pics in a pyramid, small pics in a line, whatever&#039;s clever --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:34, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Swap Taylor and Sarah ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that [[User:FH14|FH14]] just switched Taylor&#039;s and Sarah&#039;s boxes. I assume this is because Sarah is getting a bigger role now than Taylor? I reverted the change so it could be discussed and also because the borders didn&#039;t look quite right. If people want the pictures swapped, just offer your support here and we&#039;ll go ahead and do it. As a general rule, though, the Main Page shouldn&#039;t be changed without first getting consensus as it is the most viewed page on the &#039;pedia.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:58, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree that Sarah&#039;s become a more important character (thank god!), so she should be first. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:47, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I also agree. It would make sense, seeing as it seems as though Taylor has faded out of the picture. --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 18:45, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Okay, I went ahead and changed it. Thanks for the input, Jbshryne and Brooklynxman!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:11, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::And you know, with the angle of Taylor&#039;s face in that pic, it works better as an end-piece. :-&amp;gt; ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 02:15, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I like it... and it also works alphabetically! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:40, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jonas&#039; Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:jonasdonttickle.JPG|thumb|left|200px|[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (CDT)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jonasbyfireplace.jpg|thumb|right|200px|My only concern with this one is that it was previously edited by my friend. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 22:35, 7 June 2007 (CDT)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it at all possible for Jonas&#039; picture to be sharper? Otherwise, I think we should replace it. I do have another picture in mind. I remember the discussion of picture changes a month or so ago, but I think his picture needs to be either sharper or changed. I&#039;d like to hear everyone&#039;s opinion. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 20:16, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. I always thought the picture wasn&#039;t sharp enough. I would love to see the picture you had in mind.--[[User:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur, and besides, that picture isn&#039;t doing justice to his looks. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 21:34, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I like jonasdontticke.jpg (the left image)!!! If you need it cropped/adjusted, let me know. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 23:01, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, I love the one on the left as well! I think it would be great cropped. --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Any mods like to put their input? [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 22:37, 8 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The only mod I&#039;ve seen around lately is Zoey.  As for me, the left one rocks. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:42, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Oh, foot in mouth, JonPro just commented above.  Anyway, yeah, I&#039;d say at this point, we&#039;ve got a consensus. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:45, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, me! :P  I vote yes!  I really like the left picture :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:20, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:As do I. I just don&#039;t know how to change it on the main page. So can we go through with it?[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:21, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Someone will need to crop it so that it matches the size/ratio formats of the current images, and then it can be added.  Once it&#039;s modified I can add it if ya want :P.  That&#039;s not a problem.  We just need to get it looking right! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:24, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d crop it... but I have no idea what the current size/ratio format is. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:25, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I cropped it to the size, but perhaps not to the ratio.  If it&#039;s wrong, revert it. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:44, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yeah, his face was too big.  Grr.  I&#039;ll try again... in photoshop. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:46, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Um... you know what?  Bad news.  There might not be enough &amp;quot;picture&amp;quot; around Jonas&#039;s face in that shot (even in the original video) to use that picture, because everybody else&#039;s faces are smaller in their pictures, in comparison to their &amp;quot;backgrounds.&amp;quot;  :-( ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:54, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yeah, I just tried to play with it... and you can get it to the same size and shape, but his face is way too close to the camera to bring it out and make him match the rest of them. I rewatched that same video to look for a place where there could have been a more usable screenshot, but to no avail. I&#039;m going to go through some recent videos to look for a good screenshot. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 09:28, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You know, how do we feel about a shot from [[The Morning After]]?  Just looking at the thumbnail that&#039;s on the page right now, it looks like the size/ratio would pretty much match up perfectly with the others.  The only problems I can see: (1) we would probably want to wait through a few more videos, so we don&#039;t have 2 shots from the same video on the Main Page, and (2) he&#039;s kind of half-naked (though that might be less of a problem for some than for others...) ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 17:35, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jonas3.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Too bad his hair isn&#039;t up to par. :( --[[User:jeans|jeans]]]]I found another option for a picture. I looked through a lot of videos and not many of them have very good potential screenshots. This one was the best I could find at the moment. Any thoughts?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Ya know, I was totally thinking the same thing JB... but I didn&#039;t know if it would be okay with everyone with him with his shirt off. Granted, I&#039;d love it, but my decision wasn&#039;t based on my &amp;quot;fan-girl&amp;quot;-ness. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 19:29, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I too like the idea. :)--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It may be difficult to find a good picture of Jonas where the camera is sufficiently distant from his face. See below for 5 pictures of Jonas: the current pic, the current pic sharpened, and 3 new pics from the latest video. However, when you put one of the new pics alongside the other characters, you can see that Jonas&#039;s face is too close to the camera. So far, I vote to use the sharpened version of the current pic unless someone can upload some more alternatives (or point me to the relevant video and scene for more photo ideas). [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:37, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:0209-JonasSmilingInBed-Cropped.jpg|90px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|90px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|90px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Bree|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Bree&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Daniel|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Daniel&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonas|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jonas&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sarah|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Sarah&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Taylor|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Taylor&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:37, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha, those three new ones actually kind of scare me.  I vote for the sharpened current one too. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:38, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Man... why does that pic from [[Bedside Manner]] have to be too big??  Yeah, I agree, the sharpened current is already a huge improvement.  The Creators had better give us a nice shot of him soon, from far enough away... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 16:45, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, the sharpened version of the current picture is WAY cool.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:: I also agree, but it is higher in contrast and saturation than the others, I think that it should be the benchmark and the others should be matched to it since all of them are a little too dull.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:29, 12 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I also enjoy seeing a clearer version of the current picture of Jonas.  Keep the same shot, just pick the clearer one! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:48, 12 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I love the sharper version. Great job whoever did it! [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 23:06, 12 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::OK, it looks like you all like the sharpened version so I&#039;ll go ahead and update the main page. Misty, I&#039;ll look at adjusting the sharpness of the other headshots too, but I&#039;ll post them here first. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:39, 13 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] July 11]]{{Clr}}&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m going to just throw another headshot out there and see if anyone likes it better than the current one. It obviously would still need to be properly cropped and sized.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] July 11&lt;br /&gt;
: I love this! I was actually thinking &amp;quot;he looks so nice&amp;quot; as I was watching this video today. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 15:36, 11 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: =D Me too.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 16:06, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Haha, this is the main reason I came to the discussion page tonight. I am all for this (of course, if it&#039;s possible). [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:59, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding Spencer, changing sizes. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Because it has been announced that Spencer will be with us as a series regular for at least the next two months, should we add him to the front page? If we do, we&#039;ll have to change the sizes of the character images because five on the top and one on the bottom would look kind of cluttered. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:10, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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(EDIT: we could also make the sizes bigger to make it three on the top, three on the bottom) Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:12, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had been playing with that earlier today, actually! [[User:Chartreuse/Sandbox | My Sandbox]] --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:15, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, I see! I&#039;m glad you&#039;re working with it! Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:20, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Any feedback would be lovely. This is what I have at this point:&lt;br /&gt;
{| align=center style=&amp;quot;background:Black; width:300px;  cellspacing=&amp;quot;0&amp;quot; cellpadding=&amp;quot;0&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border-spacing: 0px;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Jonas&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{| align=center style=&amp;quot;background:Black; width:300px;  cellspacing=&amp;quot;0&amp;quot; cellpadding=&amp;quot;0&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border-spacing: 0px;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:0185-Taylor-Cropped.jpg|100px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:0202-Sarah-Smiling-Cropped.jpg|100px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; border-top-width: 0px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:0222-SpencerLaughing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Taylor|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Taylor&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-right-width: 0; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sarah|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Sarah&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Spencer|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Spencer&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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::: i like that. 5 across was looking a little long to me, actually --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 07:54, 11 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s a fine idea, and it looks good, but I propose we wait to make any changes until we make the whole Portal pages live, just so we don&#039;t overcomplicate things.  *nods* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:40, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh, that&#039;s what I had figured on, which is why it was just on my sandbox page for now. I just had Photoshop open at the same time as Spencer&#039;s latest, so I was like... HMMM... *nods back* --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:46, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Okay awesome :)  Ooh, hey, if you&#039;ve still got PS open, someone needs to crop the images on [[User:Zoey/sandbox]] to make them fit in the boxes properly.  It might involve cropping.. or adding like.. a white background or something.. I dont know, whatever to make it look good.  But yeah, just a though, especially if you have PS opened already :)  Thanks.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: O.O! I refuse to admit to the fact that I had already been messing with them. Scary! --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:55, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;raises hand* I volunteer to crop *runs to PhotoPlus* MEEP Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:27, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::And heeeerrrreee we go!&lt;br /&gt;
:::[[Image:LG15PortalImageCropped.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageCropped.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ll go ahead and put them in your sandbox now, Zoey. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:47, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The LG one looks good, but does the KM one look slightly fuzzy to anyone else?  Is that fixable? Gah, I hope we get the &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; cast photos Miles promised soon, I don&#039;t like how these two are so vastly different in sizes with the people (the Kate cast is so BIG compared to the LG cast! Haha).  Other than that though, I think it&#039;s good.  Anyone else have any thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:25, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:With the KM one, it was already fuzzy. That is the sharpened version, but I&#039;ll sharpen it a bit more. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:26, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, hows this:&lt;br /&gt;
::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageSharpened.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s increased a little bit. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:32, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::(Ooops, wrong size (and I airbrushed a little bit.) Here:&lt;br /&gt;
::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageAirbrushed.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Hows that?) Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:37, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Those look nice. Only thing I recommend (if possible) is sharpening around Gavin&#039;s head and Kate&#039;s head. Otherwise it&#039;s a vast improvement. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:58, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Ok, I went a little airbrush crazy on this one, but deal with it. The shadows were bugging me.&lt;br /&gt;
::::[[Image:KateModernPortalImagePhotoshopped.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Soooo...? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:46, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::On second thought, I don&#039;t like it. What is everyone else&#039;s opinion? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:58, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding on to the navigation ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Whoever has access to edit the navigation bar on the side will soon need to add the KM and LG portals on. This will be more convenient for editors and users to navigate between the shows. Just bringing this to attention. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 22:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I think that the Portal links should be at the top. So it would go Portal, Videos, Forums, List of Videos. I think it makes more sense considering we&#039;re at the &#039;pedia, so the Portal should be first. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 13:51, 25 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Yeah, I agree with Chelsey.  I&#039;d fix it but I gave up my sysop rights! :*(  Anybody who has sysop access can change the sidebar here: [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]].--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:40, 25 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Done! (I was wondering about that too . . .) :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:48, 25 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This is Probably Just Stupid But... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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...The main page, i like it but for some reason i don&#039;t think it looks wiki like. It is cool but needs to look more like a wiki. But my opinion is just an opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, in my opinion, you&#039;re wrong :P&lt;br /&gt;
:Seriously, though, pick any other skin, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=58212&amp;amp;useskin=cologneblue and the old main page looks different as well]. Just because wikipedia has a certain design doesn&#039;t make that the ultimate &amp;quot;wiki&amp;quot; design. There are dozens of skins for the MediaWiki software alone, and dozens of other wiki softwares as well. Look at [[MemoryAlpha:Main Page]] - they&#039;re using the same software both Wikipedia and LGPedia use - yet they look totally different.&lt;br /&gt;
:We acknowledge your wish to have the main page look more like a generic wikipedia clone, but I, personally, do not support it :P&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:14, 22 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why is there something on the main page nere the bottom for... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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lonelygirl15, it has the creators, and the &amp;quot;universe&amp;quot;. if there was that shouldn&#039;t katemodern have one or should the lonelygirl15 one be taken off--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:22, 27 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The &#039;Universe&#039; encompases both the stories of Kate &amp;amp; Bree, Houdini.  They simply call it the &#039;&#039;&#039;LG15 Universe&#039;&#039;&#039;, becuase, well, LG15 came first. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:39, 27 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Featured Article ==&lt;br /&gt;
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should there be a new featured article?--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 02:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe so, It has been up there for a while. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 20:19, 6 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lonelygirl15 Portal image == &lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually do you think that the portal image for lonelygirl should be changed to reflect the fact that bree is no longer?&lt;br /&gt;
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Im not saying anyone has to, im just throwing an idea out in the air.&lt;br /&gt;
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== beta.lonelygirl15.com ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So I see that www.lg15.com/lgpedia has been moved to beta.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia. If anyone could fix any broken links on {{wikipedia|lonelygirl15|Wikipedia}}, that&#039;d be great! I&#039;ll get to work on it, but I see some of the links are still at lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia, which as we know, is broken. Bye guys! &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 20:18, 8 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t even see what youre talking about?  LGPedia links show up for me at lg15.com/lgpedia --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:38, 8 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::For a short while, Zoey, the LGPedia was relocated beta.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia. It seems that it has been moved back to lg15.com/lgpedia, though.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions and Relationships ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should i move missions and relationships to the main page.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:43, 13 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d say that it&#039;s a good idea to move Missions and Relationships to the Main Page. :) Go for it, Houdini! &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 01:55, 16 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well I&#039;m not sure about Missions, but I think Relationships should be seperate for each series, as the page is already long enough as it is. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:03, 16 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmmm, Missions could work for the Main page, as it currently has both series in that article.  I do agree with Zoey however, that Relationships would be fine with their respective Portal. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:18, 16 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== How about? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How about each month we change it to a charector theme? But I dont think thats a very good idea.&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waist my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:26 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::You couldn&#039;t copy my response too, Randy?? :P  (Anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. -- 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)) [[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:23, 11 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Caaaan do! (oh and anyone who has better photo-shopping skills than a 13 year old, feel free to jump in. I built that logo from scratch and thats why it doesn&#039;t look like the actual logo.) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Aug 12, &#039;07 - 8:23 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== One Year of LGPedia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anyone mention before that the LGPedia recently had its one year anniversary?  Kudos to all who have contributed, especially our dear admins.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first edit of the main page came on Sept. 29, 2006, and it read: &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Woo hoo! LG15 rocks! Cassieiswatching.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Sept 29, 2006: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=1405&lt;br /&gt;
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Sept 29 later that day, the 1st real main page, by TheNunOwnedGoat: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=1437&lt;br /&gt;
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Oct 1, already full of links!: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=2127&lt;br /&gt;
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Nov 9:  warning about yousef firing on main page: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=5935&lt;br /&gt;
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Jan 4, 2007:  Nicer new header debuts:  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=16791&lt;br /&gt;
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Jan 24:  LGPedia reaches 1 million views.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=19692&lt;br /&gt;
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March 28: LGPedia reaches 2 millions views.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=31776&lt;br /&gt;
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May 29:  LGPedia reaches 3 million page views: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=49143&lt;br /&gt;
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June 16:  It is noted that LGPedia has exceeded 1,000 articles.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=52726&lt;br /&gt;
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July 15:  New main page, split between LG15 and KM, debuts: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=58492&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:00, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That&#039;s awesome, Milowent. Brings back good times. Man, I remember that [[Firing of Yousef]] fiasco and then the [[Glenn Rubenstein]] thing which we were afraid was going to blow up just as big. Somehow the effects really didn&#039;t get seen here as much as the forums I don&#039;t think. But I just want to say thanks as well to everyone who has contributed. Even though I&#039;m not helping out here as much, I&#039;m always checking out the video pages and reading the notes to catch up on all the stuff that&#039;s happening in the LG15 world. Looking forward to another great year!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:32, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I remember first visiting the site around this time last year (wasn&#039;t even registered then).  Man, times have changed, have they? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 05:18, 8 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Featured Content ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the &amp;quot;Featured Article&amp;quot; hasn&#039;t really been working out for some time, I decided to go a new approach. To me, it makes way more sense to have &amp;quot;Featured Content&amp;quot; that rotates fairly regularly. Instead of having to perfect an article and wait while people debate over it and blahblah, with featured content, you should still nominate it, but it won&#039;t have to be perfect. It will be much less intense... it can be a new feature we&#039;ve added to the Pedia, breaking plot news, an article that&#039;s just undergone a major revision, even a funny tidbit burried in one of our pages. Hopefully, by featuring &amp;quot;content&amp;quot; instead of just an &amp;quot;article&amp;quot; we&#039;ll be able to keep people much better informed of all the great things the wiki has to offer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let me know what you think! (PS Sorry this sounds like a sales pitch, I&#039;m just so excited lol. And now... as it&#039;s 5:30 am (which actually means I may have forgotten something I meant to say here... sorry if I did...), I am off to bed :)) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 04:35, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I concur.  Make it more like Wikipedia.  Although, we should probably create a template to nominate a page to feature, like they have there, as well.  (And of course a similar page to discuss nominations.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:59, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I love this idea! &#039;&#039;&#039;Strong support.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 17:22, 6 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:There appears to be no dissenters (no one&#039;s responded in a week).  If we do decide to go along with this new approach, what should we feature first?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 16 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hm, we could feature [[Jan Libby]] now, since I just revamped it a fair bit and she was shouted out in [[Free Love|Sarah&#039;s latest videos]]? Trying to think what else... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:43, 17 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal images? == &lt;br /&gt;
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I was just wondering, since KM season 1 has ended, and LG season 2 is coming to a close. should there be a new Portal image? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe, but the problem then becomes &#039;&#039;what&#039;&#039; images would we use? Those two are the best we&#039;ve got right now. I do think we might want to put the actual logos on them, but that&#039;s another matter. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:11, 25 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I just saw the two new Portal images! I love them! Thank you ,Zoey - Irene([[User:AzukiLotus|AzukiLotus]]) 20:27,14 February 2008 (HKT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Should Kate be in the KateModern portal image? Just a thought...[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Last Work ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone change the announcement from prom to the last work [the finale of KateModern.]--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:36, 17 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The End== &lt;br /&gt;
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Since this show has ended as well, are we going to do it up like we did with KM after the finale?&lt;br /&gt;
i was also wondering whats going to happen to the main portal images, are those going to the side panel when the new shows premiere?&lt;br /&gt;
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== the resistance/The Resistance ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we have any official word on the capitalization of the new series? I know it seems trivial, but I notice things like this. The &#039;&#039;trailer&#039;&#039; was posted unitalicized, but the new board on the forum was capitalized. Just wondering if we know for sure yet. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:28, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The group Amanda created on Facebook is lowercase, but aside from that, I haven&#039;t seen anything official either way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ah, okay. Thanks, Zoey! --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:46, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Template:CrewIndex</title>
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		<updated>2008-08-04T04:31:34Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Fixing typo (+ to -)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{clr}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;background: #1E5DAA; font-size: 110%; color: #FFFFFF; text-align: center;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{link|link=Lonelygirl15 behind the scenes|text=Lonelygirl15 Cast &amp;amp;amp; Crew|color=#FFFFFF}}&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot; text-align: center; font-size: 100%;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jessica Lee Rose]] - [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]] - [[Jackson Davis]] - [[Becki Kregoski]] - [[Alexandra Dreyfus]] - [[Katherine Pawlak]] - [[Melanie Merkosky]] - [[Crystal Young]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot; text-align: center; font-size: 90%;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jackie Jandrell]] - [[Alli Danziger]] - [[Bitsie Tulloch]] - [[Craig Coyne]] - [[Raegan Payne]] - [[Maxwell Glick]] - [[Carly Jones]] - [[Shelby Kocee]] - [[Sean Vincent Biggins]] - [[Melissa Kite]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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|style=&amp;quot;width: 10em;&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Creators|The Creators:]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Miles Beckett]] - [[Mesh Flinders]] - [[Greg Goodfried]] - [[Amanda Goodfried]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot;|&#039;&#039;&#039;Primary Crew:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Marcello Daciano]] - [[Tom Pettit]] - [[Blair Singer]] - [[Jim Campolongo]] - [[Kevin Schlanser]] - [[Matt Vanselow]] - [[Seth Jacobs]] - [[Jenni Powell]] - [[Ian Schwartz]] - [[Ross Berger]] - [[Jake Coburn]] - [[Mary Feuer]] - [[Jonathan Robert Kaplan]] - [[Jan Libby]]  - [[Ben Kruger]] - [[Yumiko Aoyagi]] - [[Colin Hargraves]] - [[Justin Thompson]] - [[Dwayne Smith]] - [[Jennifer Roth]] - [[Brad Haley]] - [[Darren Boling]] - [[Glenn Rubenstein]] - [[Mari Devincenzi]] - [[Grant Steinfeld]] - [[Vanessa Roveto]] - [[Gregg Moscot]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|&#039;&#039;&#039;Other Actors:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot;|[[Jessi Williams]] - [[Shannon Solomon]] - [[Peter James]] - [[Tammy Klein]] - [[Joe Rubin]] - [[Jos Viramontes]] - [[Eddie Asher]] - [[Katharine McPhee]] - [[Something For Rockets]] - [[Cameos|Other Cameos]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;includeonly&amp;gt;[[Category:lonelygirl15 cast and crew]]&amp;lt;/includeonly&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;[[Category:Bottom indexes]]&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Main Page</title>
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		<updated>2008-08-04T04:28:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: New section: the resistance/The Resistance&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;We&#039;ve had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here.  For now, only registered users can leave comments here.  If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it&#039;s fast, easy, fun and free.  Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Zoey|Zoey]], [[User_talk:Jonpro|Jonpro]], and [[User_talk:Phoenician|Phoenician]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Talk Archive for Main Page ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive of character box discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive_March-Mid_May]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===How about with colors? ===&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hurrah for colors! I love this so much. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:46, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I definitely prefer it without the colors.  Too many clashing colors is never good design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:15, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The colors are nice and I like how they match up with the colors id&#039;ing the bloggers on the right side of the page.  If you look at the new box along with the rest of the main page, it works.  [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I agree with Malan89 the whole way. Live? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:22, 15 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::  I really think it looks bad.  Those aren&#039;t even the same colors as the initials.  They don&#039;t match at all. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:27, 15 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::  Don&#039;t worry about it for now.  I think we may be adding a &amp;quot;Taylor&amp;quot; block soon.  [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:32, 17 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Please no colors, I&#039;m serious.  The Main Page really doesn&#039;t need to be tricked out.  It has a simple color scheme that works great, and it has some pictures and color accents (like in the Init template) to keep things just interesting enough. I&#039;m actually not a fan of the colored boxes on the characters page either, but if you want to have a little fun with that, fine by me, just leave the main page as is, it looks much more polished and put together without the rainbow of fruity flavors.  Like Malan said, perhaps we should be more concerned with whether to add Taylor, Sarah, or Taylor&amp;amp;Sarah together to the Main block.  They&#039;ve already done their first &amp;quot;official&amp;quot; blog on their own, on the left-hand column.  Quite the milestone for them.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:27, 17 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::: I&#039;m ok with addeing them, but i think we should wait till it&#039;s certain they are going to last beyond this story arc, same thing for Jules. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:43, 18 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. Everyone thought Alex was going to be a main character (and she still could be recurring) but we haven&#039;t seen her in ages.  Let&#039;s be patient with with Taylor, Sarah, and Jules --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 20:58, 23 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Breeniverse Timeline ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that the Breeniverse Timeline has been cleaned up and brought up to date, we should add it to the main page -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:38, 18 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Breeniverse Timeline has been cleaned up? Finally? I GOTTA GO CHECK THAT OUT! *hops away giddily* [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:56, 18 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sarah and Taylor==&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, now that Sarah and Taylor have both posted their own video blogs that have been posted on the main site, I think it&#039;s reasonable to add them to the main page.  I mean, if they &#039;&#039;don&#039;t&#039;&#039; end up lasting past this arc, we can always remove them.  They just seem significant enough at this point to merit a front-page character box.  Thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:37, 30 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with putting them up.  The Creators are obviously doing a thorough job trying to fill out these characters with their personalities, their relationships, and their parental issues, so I think they&#039;ll be up for awhile.  I didn&#039;t expect Sarah to actually POST anything outside of a Myspace Blog so soon, but I stand corrected. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:37, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I went through and found some good images of Sarah and Taylor.  They will probably need to be cropped better to match up with the other characters, but I wanted to get some options up.  What do people think (I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3, personally)?&lt;br /&gt;
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|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sarah|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Sarah 1&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:TAY001-TaylorSmiling.jpg|100px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;&amp;quot;|[[Image:Taylor-IRecognizeHer.jpg|100px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Taylor|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Taylor 2&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|align=center style=&amp;quot;background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Taylor|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Taylor 3&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like Taylor 1 as well (very Secret Agent-y . . . don&#039;t ask).  But I&#039;m stuck between Sarah 1,3, AND 5.  1 just seems to have that Sarah-randomn-quality to it, 3 (besides the obvious) is from her first v-blog, and 5 matches up with her profile (currently).  So I&#039;m stuck on Sarah. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:35, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3. Taylor 2 and Sarah 5 are also good. --[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]] 19:51, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I like Taylor 1 and Sarah 3 as well. The other two Taylor photos are also good in that... well, that room is where you usually see her. But I stand T1 and S3. I&#039;m glad we&#039;re adding them to the front page. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 20:33, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, it seems like T1 and S3 are the consensus?  Can anyone crop them so that their heads are the same size as the other chars on the front page?  Oh and also...&lt;br /&gt;
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OR um, yeah.  How should we handle the alignment with five chars?  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:47, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Here&#039;s a go at front-page quality images. They look bad full size, but I adjusted the face sizing and the saturation (only on Taylor&#039;s because it looked so bland between Jonas and Sarah).&lt;br /&gt;
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::I guess that looks a little more consistent? Just trying to help. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 22:08, 31 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m loving this group of five!  So . . . on the alignment,I would prefer upside-down pyramid, if it&#039;s not too hard (The codes above look nightmare-ish).  It just looks like a horizontal band of five characters would just be too long. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:43, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel like the Sarah pic needs to be SLIGHTLY zoomed in more to make her face size more consistant with the rest.  I hope thats not too big a problem.  Oh, and maybe she should be &#039;&#039;desaturated&#039;&#039;.. shes like.. noticably brighter than everyone else...  But basically, other than that, are we good to go?&lt;br /&gt;
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Here&#039;s what I&#039;ve got based on the current consesus.  Like I said, I think Sarah&#039;s head should overall be larger to match with the rest of the chars but yeah.  Oh, and I iike the saturation on Taylor.  Yay, I can&#039;t wait for this to go live :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:50, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Alright, I resized and recropped Sarah, desaturated and darkened her just the slightest bit (sorry, boys, had to crop the cleavage), so I think she fits in a bit more now. Also, I tweaked the previous code so that the border between Taylor and Sarah is only 1 pixel instead of two. I do like the pyramid... it kind of gives the feel of them being secondary main characters. Plus, it won&#039;t stretch things in lower resolutions. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 20:32, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think it looks GREAT!!! If there are no objections shortly, I&#039;ll put it up on the main page.  Great work everyone!!  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: I strongly Object to the Pyramid layout. you put it up before anyone had time to object -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:14, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It look fantabulous!  Great job Zoey, Chartreuse, and everyone who figured out the new character-pyramid! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:41, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: I think it ould look better as a single line with smaller images.  the pyramid looks awfull -[[User:Misty|misty]] 23:09, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The only problem with this is that it&#039;s going to look awful on lower resolutions. It&#039;ll stretch things all out of whack. I think the most characters you can have side-by-side is going to be four. It really is a shame we don&#039;t have one more character to try and balance the pyramid out. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 01:02, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I REALLY like the way it looks.  However, the two columns on the Main Page are now very uneven.  For this, I have a suggestion... how about we list the last 5 videos with thumbnails and descriptions, as opposed to 4?  It&#039;s more consistent with the 5 &amp;quot;previous videos,&amp;quot; and it will make the page look much more balanced.  Y/N?  ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:30, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I was actually thinking the same, but I thought, &#039;Hmmm . . . better let someone else bring it up first&#039; --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:55, 1 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I do actually kind of like the smaller images lined up in one row, but I still worry about what it will do to the page with smaller resolutions.  Does anyone with a smaller resolution want to check this out maybe?  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:23, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: in 1024X768 it looks great with 90px images but we can also reduce down to 80px images too. none of the formatted pages look good at 800x600, but I don&#039;t think we need to worry about that, since almost no one has a 13 inch monitor anymore. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:25, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: without objection I will change the page 12 hours from now.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:25, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Sounds great to me. No objections here. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 12:33, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sure, sounds fine. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:28, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Yeah . . . big pics in a pyramid, small pics in a line, whatever&#039;s clever --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:34, 2 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Swap Taylor and Sarah ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed that [[User:FH14|FH14]] just switched Taylor&#039;s and Sarah&#039;s boxes. I assume this is because Sarah is getting a bigger role now than Taylor? I reverted the change so it could be discussed and also because the borders didn&#039;t look quite right. If people want the pictures swapped, just offer your support here and we&#039;ll go ahead and do it. As a general rule, though, the Main Page shouldn&#039;t be changed without first getting consensus as it is the most viewed page on the &#039;pedia.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:58, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree that Sarah&#039;s become a more important character (thank god!), so she should be first. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:47, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I also agree. It would make sense, seeing as it seems as though Taylor has faded out of the picture. --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 18:45, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Okay, I went ahead and changed it. Thanks for the input, Jbshryne and Brooklynxman!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:11, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::And you know, with the angle of Taylor&#039;s face in that pic, it works better as an end-piece. :-&amp;gt; ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 02:15, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I like it... and it also works alphabetically! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:40, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jonas&#039; Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:jonasdonttickle.JPG|thumb|left|200px|[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (CDT)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jonasbyfireplace.jpg|thumb|right|200px|My only concern with this one is that it was previously edited by my friend. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 22:35, 7 June 2007 (CDT)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it at all possible for Jonas&#039; picture to be sharper? Otherwise, I think we should replace it. I do have another picture in mind. I remember the discussion of picture changes a month or so ago, but I think his picture needs to be either sharper or changed. I&#039;d like to hear everyone&#039;s opinion. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 20:16, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. I always thought the picture wasn&#039;t sharp enough. I would love to see the picture you had in mind.--[[User:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
::I concur, and besides, that picture isn&#039;t doing justice to his looks. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 21:34, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I like jonasdontticke.jpg (the left image)!!! If you need it cropped/adjusted, let me know. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 23:01, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, I love the one on the left as well! I think it would be great cropped. --[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Any mods like to put their input? [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 22:37, 8 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The only mod I&#039;ve seen around lately is Zoey.  As for me, the left one rocks. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:42, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Oh, foot in mouth, JonPro just commented above.  Anyway, yeah, I&#039;d say at this point, we&#039;ve got a consensus. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 13:45, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, me! :P  I vote yes!  I really like the left picture :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:20, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:As do I. I just don&#039;t know how to change it on the main page. So can we go through with it?[[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:21, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Someone will need to crop it so that it matches the size/ratio formats of the current images, and then it can be added.  Once it&#039;s modified I can add it if ya want :P.  That&#039;s not a problem.  We just need to get it looking right! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:24, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d crop it... but I have no idea what the current size/ratio format is. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 21:25, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I cropped it to the size, but perhaps not to the ratio.  If it&#039;s wrong, revert it. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:44, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yeah, his face was too big.  Grr.  I&#039;ll try again... in photoshop. ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:46, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Um... you know what?  Bad news.  There might not be enough &amp;quot;picture&amp;quot; around Jonas&#039;s face in that shot (even in the original video) to use that picture, because everybody else&#039;s faces are smaller in their pictures, in comparison to their &amp;quot;backgrounds.&amp;quot;  :-( ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 01:54, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yeah, I just tried to play with it... and you can get it to the same size and shape, but his face is way too close to the camera to bring it out and make him match the rest of them. I rewatched that same video to look for a place where there could have been a more usable screenshot, but to no avail. I&#039;m going to go through some recent videos to look for a good screenshot. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 09:28, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You know, how do we feel about a shot from [[The Morning After]]?  Just looking at the thumbnail that&#039;s on the page right now, it looks like the size/ratio would pretty much match up perfectly with the others.  The only problems I can see: (1) we would probably want to wait through a few more videos, so we don&#039;t have 2 shots from the same video on the Main Page, and (2) he&#039;s kind of half-naked (though that might be less of a problem for some than for others...) ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 17:35, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jonas3.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Too bad his hair isn&#039;t up to par. :( --[[User:jeans|jeans]]]]I found another option for a picture. I looked through a lot of videos and not many of them have very good potential screenshots. This one was the best I could find at the moment. Any thoughts?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Ya know, I was totally thinking the same thing JB... but I didn&#039;t know if it would be okay with everyone with him with his shirt off. Granted, I&#039;d love it, but my decision wasn&#039;t based on my &amp;quot;fan-girl&amp;quot;-ness. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 19:29, 10 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I too like the idea. :)--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It may be difficult to find a good picture of Jonas where the camera is sufficiently distant from his face. See below for 5 pictures of Jonas: the current pic, the current pic sharpened, and 3 new pics from the latest video. However, when you put one of the new pics alongside the other characters, you can see that Jonas&#039;s face is too close to the camera. So far, I vote to use the sharpened version of the current pic unless someone can upload some more alternatives (or point me to the relevant video and scene for more photo ideas). [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:37, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Haha, those three new ones actually kind of scare me.  I vote for the sharpened current one too. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:38, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Man... why does that pic from [[Bedside Manner]] have to be too big??  Yeah, I agree, the sharpened current is already a huge improvement.  The Creators had better give us a nice shot of him soon, from far enough away... ~ &#039;&#039;&#039;[[User:Jbshryne|JB&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;SHRYNE&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;]]&#039;&#039;&#039; 16:45, 11 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree, the sharpened version of the current picture is WAY cool.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]&lt;br /&gt;
:: I also agree, but it is higher in contrast and saturation than the others, I think that it should be the benchmark and the others should be matched to it since all of them are a little too dull.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:29, 12 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I also enjoy seeing a clearer version of the current picture of Jonas.  Keep the same shot, just pick the clearer one! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:48, 12 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I love the sharper version. Great job whoever did it! [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 23:06, 12 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::OK, it looks like you all like the sharpened version so I&#039;ll go ahead and update the main page. Misty, I&#039;ll look at adjusting the sharpness of the other headshots too, but I&#039;ll post them here first. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 09:39, 13 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] July 11]]{{Clr}}&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m going to just throw another headshot out there and see if anyone likes it better than the current one. It obviously would still need to be properly cropped and sized.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] July 11&lt;br /&gt;
: I love this! I was actually thinking &amp;quot;he looks so nice&amp;quot; as I was watching this video today. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 15:36, 11 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: =D Me too.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 16:06, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Haha, this is the main reason I came to the discussion page tonight. I am all for this (of course, if it&#039;s possible). [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:59, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding Spencer, changing sizes. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Because it has been announced that Spencer will be with us as a series regular for at least the next two months, should we add him to the front page? If we do, we&#039;ll have to change the sizes of the character images because five on the top and one on the bottom would look kind of cluttered. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:10, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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(EDIT: we could also make the sizes bigger to make it three on the top, three on the bottom) Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:12, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I had been playing with that earlier today, actually! [[User:Chartreuse/Sandbox | My Sandbox]] --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:15, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, I see! I&#039;m glad you&#039;re working with it! Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:20, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Any feedback would be lovely. This is what I have at this point:&lt;br /&gt;
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::: i like that. 5 across was looking a little long to me, actually --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 07:54, 11 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s a fine idea, and it looks good, but I propose we wait to make any changes until we make the whole Portal pages live, just so we don&#039;t overcomplicate things.  *nods* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:40, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Oh, that&#039;s what I had figured on, which is why it was just on my sandbox page for now. I just had Photoshop open at the same time as Spencer&#039;s latest, so I was like... HMMM... *nods back* --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:46, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Okay awesome :)  Ooh, hey, if you&#039;ve still got PS open, someone needs to crop the images on [[User:Zoey/sandbox]] to make them fit in the boxes properly.  It might involve cropping.. or adding like.. a white background or something.. I dont know, whatever to make it look good.  But yeah, just a though, especially if you have PS opened already :)  Thanks.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: O.O! I refuse to admit to the fact that I had already been messing with them. Scary! --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 18:55, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;*&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;raises hand* I volunteer to crop *runs to PhotoPlus* MEEP Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:27, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::And heeeerrrreee we go!&lt;br /&gt;
:::[[Image:LG15PortalImageCropped.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;ll go ahead and put them in your sandbox now, Zoey. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:47, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The LG one looks good, but does the KM one look slightly fuzzy to anyone else?  Is that fixable? Gah, I hope we get the &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; cast photos Miles promised soon, I don&#039;t like how these two are so vastly different in sizes with the people (the Kate cast is so BIG compared to the LG cast! Haha).  Other than that though, I think it&#039;s good.  Anyone else have any thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:25, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:With the KM one, it was already fuzzy. That is the sharpened version, but I&#039;ll sharpen it a bit more. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:26, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::OK, hows this:&lt;br /&gt;
::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageSharpened.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
::It&#039;s increased a little bit. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:32, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::(Ooops, wrong size (and I airbrushed a little bit.) Here:&lt;br /&gt;
::[[Image:KateModernPortalImageAirbrushed.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
::Hows that?) Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 20:37, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Those look nice. Only thing I recommend (if possible) is sharpening around Gavin&#039;s head and Kate&#039;s head. Otherwise it&#039;s a vast improvement. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:58, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Ok, I went a little airbrush crazy on this one, but deal with it. The shadows were bugging me.&lt;br /&gt;
::::[[Image:KateModernPortalImagePhotoshopped.jpg]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::Soooo...? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:46, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::On second thought, I don&#039;t like it. What is everyone else&#039;s opinion? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 01:58, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding on to the navigation ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Whoever has access to edit the navigation bar on the side will soon need to add the KM and LG portals on. This will be more convenient for editors and users to navigate between the shows. Just bringing this to attention. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 22:01, 14 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I think that the Portal links should be at the top. So it would go Portal, Videos, Forums, List of Videos. I think it makes more sense considering we&#039;re at the &#039;pedia, so the Portal should be first. [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 13:51, 25 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Yeah, I agree with Chelsey.  I&#039;d fix it but I gave up my sysop rights! :*(  Anybody who has sysop access can change the sidebar here: [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]].--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:40, 25 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Done! (I was wondering about that too . . .) :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:48, 25 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This is Probably Just Stupid But... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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...The main page, i like it but for some reason i don&#039;t think it looks wiki like. It is cool but needs to look more like a wiki. But my opinion is just an opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, in my opinion, you&#039;re wrong :P&lt;br /&gt;
:Seriously, though, pick any other skin, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=58212&amp;amp;useskin=cologneblue and the old main page looks different as well]. Just because wikipedia has a certain design doesn&#039;t make that the ultimate &amp;quot;wiki&amp;quot; design. There are dozens of skins for the MediaWiki software alone, and dozens of other wiki softwares as well. Look at [[MemoryAlpha:Main Page]] - they&#039;re using the same software both Wikipedia and LGPedia use - yet they look totally different.&lt;br /&gt;
:We acknowledge your wish to have the main page look more like a generic wikipedia clone, but I, personally, do not support it :P&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:14, 22 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why is there something on the main page nere the bottom for... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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lonelygirl15, it has the creators, and the &amp;quot;universe&amp;quot;. if there was that shouldn&#039;t katemodern have one or should the lonelygirl15 one be taken off--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:22, 27 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The &#039;Universe&#039; encompases both the stories of Kate &amp;amp; Bree, Houdini.  They simply call it the &#039;&#039;&#039;LG15 Universe&#039;&#039;&#039;, becuase, well, LG15 came first. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:39, 27 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Featured Article ==&lt;br /&gt;
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should there be a new featured article?--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 02:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe so, It has been up there for a while. &lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 20:19, 6 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lonelygirl15 Portal image == &lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually do you think that the portal image for lonelygirl should be changed to reflect the fact that bree is no longer?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Im not saying anyone has to, im just throwing an idea out in the air.&lt;br /&gt;
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== beta.lonelygirl15.com ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So I see that www.lg15.com/lgpedia has been moved to beta.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia. If anyone could fix any broken links on {{wikipedia|lonelygirl15|Wikipedia}}, that&#039;d be great! I&#039;ll get to work on it, but I see some of the links are still at lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia, which as we know, is broken. Bye guys! &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 20:18, 8 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m sorry, but I don&#039;t even see what youre talking about?  LGPedia links show up for me at lg15.com/lgpedia --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:38, 8 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::For a short while, Zoey, the LGPedia was relocated beta.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia. It seems that it has been moved back to lg15.com/lgpedia, though.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Missions and Relationships ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Should i move missions and relationships to the main page.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:43, 13 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d say that it&#039;s a good idea to move Missions and Relationships to the Main Page. :) Go for it, Houdini! &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 01:55, 16 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well I&#039;m not sure about Missions, but I think Relationships should be seperate for each series, as the page is already long enough as it is. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:03, 16 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmmm, Missions could work for the Main page, as it currently has both series in that article.  I do agree with Zoey however, that Relationships would be fine with their respective Portal. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:18, 16 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== How about? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How about each month we change it to a charector theme? But I dont think thats a very good idea.&lt;br /&gt;
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== New Series Portal Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don&#039;t want to waist my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don&#039;t like the way it ways &amp;quot;portal,&amp;quot; and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, &#039;07 - 8:26 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
::You couldn&#039;t copy my response too, Randy?? :P  (Anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the &amp;quot;Portal&amp;quot; go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. -- 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)) [[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:23, 11 September 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Caaaan do! (oh and anyone who has better photo-shopping skills than a 13 year old, feel free to jump in. I built that logo from scratch and thats why it doesn&#039;t look like the actual logo.) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Aug 12, &#039;07 - 8:23 PM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== One Year of LGPedia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Did anyone mention before that the LGPedia recently had its one year anniversary?  Kudos to all who have contributed, especially our dear admins.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The first edit of the main page came on Sept. 29, 2006, and it read: &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Woo hoo! LG15 rocks! Cassieiswatching.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Sept 29, 2006: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=1405&lt;br /&gt;
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Sept 29 later that day, the 1st real main page, by TheNunOwnedGoat: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=1437&lt;br /&gt;
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Oct 1, already full of links!: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=2127&lt;br /&gt;
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Nov 9:  warning about yousef firing on main page: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=5935&lt;br /&gt;
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Jan 4, 2007:  Nicer new header debuts:  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=16791&lt;br /&gt;
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Jan 24:  LGPedia reaches 1 million views.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=19692&lt;br /&gt;
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March 28: LGPedia reaches 2 millions views.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=31776&lt;br /&gt;
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May 29:  LGPedia reaches 3 million page views: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=49143&lt;br /&gt;
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June 16:  It is noted that LGPedia has exceeded 1,000 articles.  http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=52726&lt;br /&gt;
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July 15:  New main page, split between LG15 and KM, debuts: http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Main_Page&amp;amp;oldid=58492&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:00, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:That&#039;s awesome, Milowent. Brings back good times. Man, I remember that [[Firing of Yousef]] fiasco and then the [[Glenn Rubenstein]] thing which we were afraid was going to blow up just as big. Somehow the effects really didn&#039;t get seen here as much as the forums I don&#039;t think. But I just want to say thanks as well to everyone who has contributed. Even though I&#039;m not helping out here as much, I&#039;m always checking out the video pages and reading the notes to catch up on all the stuff that&#039;s happening in the LG15 world. Looking forward to another great year!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:32, 8 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I remember first visiting the site around this time last year (wasn&#039;t even registered then).  Man, times have changed, have they? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 05:18, 8 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Featured Content ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since the &amp;quot;Featured Article&amp;quot; hasn&#039;t really been working out for some time, I decided to go a new approach. To me, it makes way more sense to have &amp;quot;Featured Content&amp;quot; that rotates fairly regularly. Instead of having to perfect an article and wait while people debate over it and blahblah, with featured content, you should still nominate it, but it won&#039;t have to be perfect. It will be much less intense... it can be a new feature we&#039;ve added to the Pedia, breaking plot news, an article that&#039;s just undergone a major revision, even a funny tidbit burried in one of our pages. Hopefully, by featuring &amp;quot;content&amp;quot; instead of just an &amp;quot;article&amp;quot; we&#039;ll be able to keep people much better informed of all the great things the wiki has to offer.&lt;br /&gt;
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Let me know what you think! (PS Sorry this sounds like a sales pitch, I&#039;m just so excited lol. And now... as it&#039;s 5:30 am (which actually means I may have forgotten something I meant to say here... sorry if I did...), I am off to bed :)) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 04:35, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I concur.  Make it more like Wikipedia.  Although, we should probably create a template to nominate a page to feature, like they have there, as well.  (And of course a similar page to discuss nominations.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:59, 29 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I love this idea! &#039;&#039;&#039;Strong support.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 17:22, 6 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:There appears to be no dissenters (no one&#039;s responded in a week).  If we do decide to go along with this new approach, what should we feature first?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 16 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Hm, we could feature [[Jan Libby]] now, since I just revamped it a fair bit and she was shouted out in [[Free Love|Sarah&#039;s latest videos]]? Trying to think what else... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:43, 17 December 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New portal images? == &lt;br /&gt;
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I was just wondering, since KM season 1 has ended, and LG season 2 is coming to a close. should there be a new Portal image? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe, but the problem then becomes &#039;&#039;what&#039;&#039; images would we use? Those two are the best we&#039;ve got right now. I do think we might want to put the actual logos on them, but that&#039;s another matter. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:11, 25 January 2008 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I just saw the two new Portal images! I love them! Thank you ,Zoey - Irene([[User:AzukiLotus|AzukiLotus]]) 20:27,14 February 2008 (HKT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Should Kate be in the KateModern portal image? Just a thought...[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== The Last Work ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone change the announcement from prom to the last work [the finale of KateModern.]--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:36, 17 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The End== &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since this show has ended as well, are we going to do it up like we did with KM after the finale?&lt;br /&gt;
i was also wondering whats going to happen to the main portal images, are those going to the side panel when the new shows premiere?&lt;br /&gt;
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== the resistance/The Resistance ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do we have any official word on the capitalization of the new series? I know it seems trivial, but I notice things like this. The &#039;&#039;trailer&#039;&#039; was posted unitalicized, but the new board on the forum was capitalized. Just wondering if we know for sure yet. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:28, 3 August 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>I Know What Boys Like</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Removing incorrect note.&lt;/p&gt;
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| number = 193&lt;br /&gt;
| image       = 0193-SarahRemovingTopWithTaylor.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| caption     = Now &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; is what boys like!&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Taylor&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20070515&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|253}}&lt;br /&gt;
| forumid     = 10256&lt;br /&gt;
| length      = 3:12&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Jonas and Daniel seem really upset right now, so I wanted to cheer them up. Apparently Sarah had a different idea of what that meant.&lt;br /&gt;
| faction     = The Resistance&lt;br /&gt;
| status      = Public Video&lt;br /&gt;
| location = [[Taylor&#039;s bedroom]]&lt;br /&gt;
| tags        = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|bree|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|taylor|sarah}} &lt;br /&gt;
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| execprod   = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried&lt;br /&gt;
| producers  = Amanda Goodfried&lt;br /&gt;
| directors  = Miles Beckett&lt;br /&gt;
| camera     = Kevin Schlanser&lt;br /&gt;
| vidplay    = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders&lt;br /&gt;
| story      = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Amanda Goodfried&lt;br /&gt;
| editor     = Kevin Schlanser&lt;br /&gt;
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| Previous = 1500 Miles&lt;br /&gt;
| Next = Let&#039;s Play Doctor&lt;br /&gt;
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| PreviousB = I Recognize Her!&lt;br /&gt;
| NextB = My Sister = Slut&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; These last few days have been pretty tough.  Bree took off and I (&#039;&#039;pause&#039;&#039;) I kind of blame myself.  I mean, I am the one who told them to come here.  Anyway, I was in the forum, moping all weekend.  I don&#039;t know what I would&#039;ve done without you guys so, thanks for cheering me up.  And Jonas, I guess you&#039;re right, I mean,  it really isn&#039;t my fault that Bree&#039;s missing, I just... I wish that we had something to go on.  Anything. So enough of that.  I&#039;m worried about Jonas and Daniel.  Daniel in particular.  They called us last night to hang out, but my mom would &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; let us go.  So typical of her.  Ever since (&#039;&#039;pause&#039;&#039;) my dad left... nevermind. Daniel, Jonas, even though I can&#039;t leave the house, I&#039;m gonna to cheer you up.  You need some cheering up.&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Cuts to Taylor standing outside of Sarah&#039;s door.  There is a note on the door saying &amp;quot;Memories Flooded My Mind.  Like a delicate symphony Wet with Blood.&amp;quot;  Taylor points to it.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Sarah&#039;s new quote of the day.  So, I thought this would be more fun with Sarah, but as usual, she&#039;s being lame.  (&#039;&#039;as Sarah with half her face covered by her hair&#039;&#039;) &amp;quot;Taylor, video blogging is for babies.&amp;quot;  &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Cuts back to Taylor in her room&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; What the [[Four-letter words|hell]] is Sarah&#039;s problem?  It&#039;s not like I did anything wrong. She&#039;s always so angry.  Ever since dad left,  she&#039;s been getting more and more bitter.  This whole &amp;quot;I hate the world&amp;quot; thing is totally an act.  It&#039;s not her.  Freshmen year she was a cheerleader.  (&#039;&#039;She holds up a picture.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Video cuts, Sarah is now in Taylor&#039;s room with her.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; So Sarah decided to contribute.  After much protest, she is here.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m only doing this for you guys.  (&#039;&#039;Winks&#039;&#039;)  Video blogging - still stupid.  As for Taylor, little baby brat.  (&#039;&#039;She pushes Taylor.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Don&#039;t touch me Sarah.&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Sarah waves her arms around Taylor&#039;s head.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m not touching you.  I&#039;m not touching you.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Sarah, stop it.&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;She pushes Sarah.  Sarah pushes her back.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; So, what should we do?&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You tell me chief.  Your idea.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; What do boys like?&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Sarah looks at the camera suggestively and begins to unzip her jacket.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; What are you doing?! Sarah!!&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;She moves in front of Sarah.  Camera cuts and Sarah is sitting on the bed with her back to the camera.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Sarah is now officially in time out.  I&#039;m going to present to you a more PG form of entertainment - soccer!  I&#039;m going to share with you a little soccer slang.  I&#039;m going to tell you all the ways...&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Booooorrrinnnngg.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; ...all the ways that you can say you beat someone.  You waste them, you paste them, we took them out behind the wood pile, we...&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Sarah gets up and puts her hand over Taylor&#039;s mouth.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Every time you score a goal, a starving child in Africa dies.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; God, you&#039;re so morbid.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cuts to Taylor and Sarah sitting next to each other again.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, that didn&#039;t go over too well here.  (&#039;&#039;Sarah shakes her head no.&#039;&#039;)  Sarah thinks she can do things that are more funny, (&#039;&#039;Sarah nods her head yes.&#039;&#039;) so without further adieu, I present stupid Sarah tricks.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Sarah lifts her leg up and bends it in various directions.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Okay, that&#039;s just lame.  You want to be impressed?  I can do this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;She gets close the the camera and begins to shake her eyeballs.  Sarah does weird things with her tongue.  Taylor &amp;quot;honks&amp;quot; her nose.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;over the top of Taylor&#039;s honking noise&#039;&#039;) You, you were adopted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cuts to the girls holding cherries.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Now for the grand finale, Sarah will attempt to tie a cherry stem into a knot using only her tongue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; A very difficult task.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The girls put the cherries in their mouth.  After a few seconds, they take them out.  Sarah&#039;s is in a knot, but Taylor&#039;s is just bent.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Ta da!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; I came kinda close...  So I think that&#039;s all we got for you today boys.  Hope we weren&#039;t too boring.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; I don&#039;t have anything to say.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, that&#039;s because you&#039;re a boring person.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; No, actually, I&#039;m terribly intellectual, I just chose to not be narcissistic like some people.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Taylor:&#039;&#039;&#039; I&#039;m not narciss... I&#039;m not.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*The title of this blog is no doubt a [[Pop culture references#References to Music|reference]] to the 1982 song &amp;quot;I Know What Boys Like&amp;quot; by {{wikipedia|The_Waitresses|The Waitresses}}. ({{youtube|jCEVLaqoC7E|watch on youtube}})&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*While Sarah is in her &amp;quot;time out&amp;quot;, she flashes a {{wikipedia|corna}} toward the camera.  While she most likely uses this symbol in its &amp;quot;Rock &#039;n&#039; Roll&amp;quot; context, the corna also has many associations with the Occult.  [[Aleister Crowley]] used a variation on this symbol in rituals to form the &amp;quot;Horns of Pan.&amp;quot; [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corna#Variations_of_the_gesture] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aleister_Crowley_4.png]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Sarah&#039;s tongue dexterity insinuates both licentious sexual proclivities as well as duplicitous speech--two traits often associated with the Occult (and teens).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Jonas replied to this video on YouTube by saying &amp;quot;Wow Taylor, thanks so much for making this vid. It made Daniel and me laugh - we kind of needed that.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Many fans speculated that the scene with Taylor &amp;quot;honking&amp;quot; her nose was simply a sound effect or something added in later, but it was later revealed that it was actually a talent of Becki Kregoski&#039;s.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Sarah and Taylor&#039;s discussion of &#039;&#039;what boys like&#039;&#039; could also be interpreted as a discussion of &#039;&#039;a girls role in pleasing her boy&#039;&#039;, a fine topic for [[feminist themes|feminist]] discussion.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130894</id>
		<title>A Woman Scorned</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130894"/>
		<updated>2008-06-13T03:08:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Grr, sorry - typo.&lt;/p&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, I was right. Prom was... different. Um. I don&#039;t know what to say about Gina. I got to know her as well as anyone could. But Emma&#039;s right. She was strong and... a little guarded. Naive. She didn&#039;t deserve what happened to her. A-as for me, it&#039;s (&#039;&#039;rubs face with hands&#039;&#039;) complicated. I suppose you guys are wondering why I didn&#039;t come home for two days after what happened. I ran through the woods. I ran until my legs gave out. I couldn&#039;t breathe. My throat closed up. I- I guess I was dehydrated. And then I found a road. And I passed out. I guess that&#039;s what I get for spiking the punch. The next thing I remember, I woke up in the back seat of some woman&#039;s car. I guess she was taking me to the hospital. When we stopped at a stop light, I got out of the backseat because I wasn&#039;t taking &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; chances. I walked on foot for a couple miles, and I found a Denny&#039;s. I used the payphone outside to call Daniel, and he and Jonas came and got me. I was in a pretty bad state.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, walking over to a desk with a brown paper bag. She sets it down on the floor. Cut to Sarah, carrying over a small box and hat. She sets the box on the desk. And roughly throws the hat into the brown paper bag. Opening the box, Sarah takes out an envelope, rolling her eyes as she does so. She takes out the card and shows it to the camera; the cover says, &amp;quot;LOVE&amp;quot;. She takes a photograph out of the card before throwing it away, then rips the photo in two. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah removing roses from the box and shaking her head before disposing of them. Cut to Sarah, opening up a cardboard jewelry box and taking out a single earring. She drops it into the brown bag, staring at the camera. She then roughly throws the rest of the box into the bag. Cut to Sarah throwing away an unidentified, hard object. Cut to Sarah throwing out the entire box, now empty.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;standing closer to the camera&#039;&#039;) It&#039;s my fault Gina&#039;s dead. That&#039;s why everyone&#039;s watching me. You know, if I hadn&#039;t had brought Carl...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, walking onscreen with the book&#039;&#039; Finding the One&#039;&#039;. She opens it to the page Carl wrote a love note on and rips it out.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Standing closer to the camera, again&#039;&#039;) He used me. He killed one of my friends. You know, I thought he loved me. Everything, the love letter, the bomb scare. It was all the set up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to outside. A grill is standing in the back ground. Sarah comes onscreen from the right, in front of the grill.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know what, I hate him. I &#039;&#039;hate&#039;&#039; Carl. He betrayed me and he used me to get to one of us. And I can&#039;t believe that I fell for it the whole time. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, now behind the grill, preparing it for use.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; They won&#039;t say it, but they think I have something to do with what happened. And-- and why? Because I got sick and fell asleep in the back of some woman&#039;s car? (&#039;&#039;leans over and reaches into the brown bag she&#039;d filled up earlier, grabbing a handful of stuff and dropping it in the grill.&#039;&#039;) You know, I feel bad enough as it is. (&#039;&#039;leans over to grab another item&#039;&#039;) And the fact that they think that I had something to do with it, it&#039;s just-- (&#039;&#039;drops item into the grill&#039;&#039;) it&#039;s wrong. (&#039;&#039;leans over to retrieve yet another item. She sighs angrily.&#039;&#039;) This is like the [[Lullaby Project| Lullaby Project]] (&#039;&#039;drops item into grill&#039;&#039;) all over again, everyone&#039;s second guessing me. (&#039;&#039;leans over for more items&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, dropping in another handful of stuff.She leans over and picks up another object.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know, I could go back to Texas. Then I think about Gina. And... I can&#039;t run away. You know what, she deserves better than that. (&#039;&#039;sets object on fire and drops it in.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, ripping up a paper and throwing the pieces into the flame. Cut to the pieces of paper burning. The camera slowly zooms up on them.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Fade out to Sarah, back inside.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Since I got back, Daniel&#039;s been by my side, taking care of me and... it&#039;s nice. What happened between us at prom, you know it-- it really meant something. But... with what happened, and... how everyone looks at me... I honestly don&#039;t know where it&#039;s gonna lead. There&#039;s a small bit of good news, though. Um, Jennie thinks that she may have found something that can help us pay back that murderer. I&#039;ll keep you posted. (&#039;&#039;covers camera with hand&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*It may be interesting to note that, while she tears out Carl&#039;s note in the back, Sarah never destroys the [[Hymn of One]] book she received after being brainwashed.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130893</id>
		<title>A Woman Scorned</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130893"/>
		<updated>2008-06-13T03:07:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: See Talk:A Woman Scorned for more.&lt;/p&gt;
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| caption     = Lunch is ready and there&#039;s some roasted Carl on the menu... &lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Sarah&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, I was right. Prom was... different. Um. I don&#039;t know what to say about Gina. I got to know her as well as anyone could. But Emma&#039;s right. She was strong and... a little guarded. Naive. She didn&#039;t deserve what happened to her. A-as for me, it&#039;s (&#039;&#039;rubs face with hands&#039;&#039;) complicated. I suppose you guys are wondering why I didn&#039;t come home for two days after what happened. I ran through the woods. I ran until my legs gave out. I couldn&#039;t breathe. My throat closed up. I- I guess I was dehydrated. And then I found a road. And I passed out. I guess that&#039;s what I get for spiking the punch. The next thing I remember, I woke up in the back seat of some woman&#039;s car. I guess she was taking me to the hospital. When we stopped at a stop light, I got out of the backseat because I wasn&#039;t taking &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; chances. I walked on foot for a couple miles, and I found a Denny&#039;s. I used the payphone outside to call Daniel, and he and Jonas came and got me. I was in a pretty bad state.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, walking over to a desk with a brown paper bag. She sets it down on the floor. Cut to Sarah, carrying over a small box and hat. She sets the box on the desk. And roughly throws the hat into the brown paper bag. Opening the box, Sarah takes out an envelope, rolling her eyes as she does so. She takes out the card and shows it to the camera; the cover says, &amp;quot;LOVE&amp;quot;. She takes a photograph out of the card before throwing it away, then rips the photo in two. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah removing roses from the box and shaking her head before disposing of them. Cut to Sarah, opening up a cardboard jewelry box and taking out a single earring. She drops it into the brown bag, staring at the camera. She then roughly throws the rest of the box into the bag. Cut to Sarah throwing away an unidentified, hard object. Cut to Sarah throwing out the entire box, now empty.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;standing closer to the camera&#039;&#039;) It&#039;s my fault Gina&#039;s dead. That&#039;s why everyone&#039;s watching me. You know, if I hadn&#039;t had brought Carl...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, walking onscreen with the book&#039;&#039; Finding the One&#039;&#039;. She opens it to the page Carl wrote a love note on and rips it out.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Standing closer to the camera, again&#039;&#039;) He used me. He killed one of my friends. You know, I thought he loved me. Everything, the love letter, the bomb scare. It was all the set up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to outside. A grill is standing in the back ground. Sarah comes onscreen from the right, in front of the grill.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know what, I hate him. I &#039;&#039;hate&#039;&#039; Carl. He betrayed me and he used me to get to one of us. And I can&#039;t believe that I fell for it the whole time. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, now behind the grill, preparing it for use.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; They won&#039;t say it, but they think I have something to do with what happened. And-- and why? Because I got sick and fell asleep in the back of some woman&#039;s car? (&#039;&#039;leans over and reaches into the brown bag she&#039;d filled up earlier, grabbing a handful of stuff and dropping it in the grill.&#039;&#039;) You know, I feel bad enough as it is. (&#039;&#039;leans over to grab another item&#039;&#039;) And the fact that they think that I had something to do with it, it&#039;s just-- (&#039;&#039;drops item into the grill&#039;&#039;) it&#039;s wrong. (&#039;&#039;leans over to retrieve yet another item. She sighs angrily.&#039;&#039;) This is like the [[Lullaby Project| Lullaby Project]] (&#039;&#039;drops item into grill&#039;&#039;) all over again, everyone&#039;s second guessing me. (&#039;&#039;leans over for more items&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, dropping in another handful of stuff.She leans over and picks up another object.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know, I could go back to Texas. Then I think about Gina. And... I can&#039;t run away. You know what, she deserves better than that. (&#039;&#039;sets object on fire and drops it in.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah, ripping up a paper and throwing the pieces into the flame. Cut to the pieces of paper burning. The camera slowly zooms up on them.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Fade out to Sarah, back inside.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Since I got back, Daniel&#039;s been by my side, taking care of me and... it&#039;s nice. What happened between us at prom, you know it-- it really meant something. But... with what happened, and... how everyone looks at me... I honestly don&#039;t know where it&#039;s gonna lead. There&#039;s a small bit of good news, though. Um, Jennie thinks that she may have found something that can help us pay back that murderer. I&#039;ll keep you posted. (&#039;&#039;covers camera with hand&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*    * It may be interesting to note that, while she tears out Carl&#039;s note in the back, Sarah never destroys the [[Hymn of One]] book she received after being brainwashed.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130892</id>
		<title>Talk:A Woman Scorned</title>
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		<updated>2008-06-13T03:06:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Sarah Does Not Burn The Book&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Sarah Does Not Burn The Book ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m going to go re-add my note because Sarah does not burn the Hymn of One book. Watch the video closely. First, you&#039;ll notice that she only rips out the back page (where Carl&#039;s note is) of the book, then the camera cuts to a different scene. Why would she tear out that page if she&#039;s going to burn the whole book? Dramatic effect? I&#039;d buy that, if it weren&#039;t for the scene outside where she throws the stuff in the grill. Before we go any further, look at the box all of Carl&#039;s stuff was kept in (1:22). Then look at the color of the big rectangular object (2:29)... it&#039;s the same color as the box. Note that there is only ONE big rectangular object in the grill, meaning she does not burn the book. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:06, 12 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130543</id>
		<title>A Woman Scorned</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130543"/>
		<updated>2008-06-12T02:08:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Check the video - she burns the box she kept Carl&amp;#039;s stuff in, but she doesn&amp;#039;t burn the book.&lt;/p&gt;
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| caption     = Lunch is ready and there&#039;s some roasted Carl on the menu... &lt;br /&gt;
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| description = Carl burnt me. Now it&#039;s my turn.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, I was right. Prom was... different. Um. I don&#039;t know what to say about Gina. I got to know her as well as anyone could. But Emma&#039;s right. She was strong and... a little guarded. Naive. She didn&#039;t deserve what happened to her. A-as for me, it&#039;s &#039;&#039;(rubs face with hands)&#039;&#039; complicated. I suppose you guys are wondering why I didn&#039;t come home for two days after what happened. I ran through the woods. I ran until my legs gave out. I couldn&#039;t breathe. My throat closed up. I- I guess I was dehydrated. And then I found a road. And I passed out. I guess that&#039;s what I get for spiking the punch. The next thing I remember, I woke up in the back seat of some woman&#039;s car. I guess she was taking me to the hospital. When we stopped at a stop light, I got out of the backseat because I wasn&#039;t taking &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; chances. I walked on foot for a couple miles, and I found a Denny&#039;s. I used the payphone outside to call Daniel, and he and Jonas came and got me. I was in a pretty bad state.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, walking over to a desk with a brown paper bag. She sets it down on the floor. Cut to Sarah, carrying over a small box and hat. She sets the box on the desk. And roughly throws the hat into the brown paper bag. Opening the box, Sarah takes out an envelope, rolling her eyes as she does so. She takes out the card and shows it to the camera; the cover says, &amp;quot;LOVE&amp;quot;. She takes a photograph out of the card before throwing it away, then rips the photo in two. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah removing roses from the box and shaking her head before disposing of them. Cut to Sarah, opening up a cardboard jewelry box and taking out a single earring. She drops it into the brown bag, staring at the camera. She then roughly throws the rest of the box into the bag. Cut to Sarah throwing away an unidentified, hard object. Cut to Sarah throwing out the entire box, now empty.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;(standing closer to the camera)&#039;&#039; It&#039;s my fault Gina&#039;s dead. That&#039;s why everyone&#039;s watching me. You know, if I hadn&#039;t had brought Carl...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, walking onscreen with the book&#039;&#039; Finding the One&#039;&#039;. She opens it to the page Carl wrote a love note on and rips it out.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;(Standing closer to the camera, again)&#039;&#039; He used me. He killed one of my friends. You know, I thought he loved me. Everything, the love letter, the bomb scare. It was all the set up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to outside. A grill is standing in the back ground. Sarah comes onscreen from the right, in front of the grill.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know what, I hate him. I &#039;&#039;hate&#039;&#039; Carl. He betrayed me and he used me to get to one of us. And I can&#039;t believe that I fell for it the whole time. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, now behind the grill, preparing it for use.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; They won&#039;t say it, but they think I have something to do with what happened. And-- and why? Because I got sick and fell asleep in the back of some woman&#039;s car? &#039;&#039;(leans over and reaches into the brown bag she&#039;d filled up earlier, grabbing a handful of stuff and dropping it in the grill.)&#039;&#039; You know, I feel bad enough as it is. &#039;&#039;(leans over to grab another item)&#039;&#039; And the fact that they think that I had something to do with it, it&#039;s just-- &#039;&#039;(drops item into the grill)&#039;&#039; it&#039;s wrong. &#039;&#039;(leans over to retrieve yet another item. She sighs angrily.)&#039;&#039; This is like the [[Lullaby Project| Lullaby Project]] &#039;&#039;(drops item into grill)&#039;&#039; all over again, everyone&#039;s second guessing me. &#039;&#039;(leans over for more items)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, dropping in another handful of stuff.She leans over and picks up another object.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know, I could go back to Texas. Then I think about Gina. And... I can&#039;t run away. You know what, she deserves better than that. &#039;&#039;(sets object on fire and drops it in.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, ripping up a paper and throwing the pieces into the flame. Cut to the pieces of paper burning. The camera slowly zooms up on them.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Fade out to Sarah, back inside.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Since I got back, Daniel&#039;s been by my side, taking care of me and... it&#039;s nice. What happened between us at prom, you know it-- it really meant something. But... with what happened, and... how everyone looks at me... I honestly don&#039;t know where it&#039;s gonna lead. There&#039;s a small bit of good news, though. Um, Jennie thinks that she may have found something that can help us pay back that murderer. I&#039;ll keep you posted. &#039;&#039;(covers camera with hand)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*It may be interesting to note that, while she tears out Carl&#039;s note in the back, Sarah never destroys the [[Hymn of One]] book she received after being brainwashed.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Lonelygirl15 product placement</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: New section: Taged for Updating&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I am ashamed/proud to say that, because of this video, I actually looked for the IceBreakers gum at the store and BOUGHT it, just because of LG15. Give the Creators an extra dollar or two, okay?&lt;br /&gt;
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And even though it&#039;s good, I&#039;d still share with Jonas. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 16:06, 13 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==PowerBars==&lt;br /&gt;
Should PowerBars be added to this page? Daniel found a [[Mr. Park Ranger|PowerBar wrapper trail]]... and Bree said her [[Going Home|supply of PowerBars]] was running out.  I believe there may have even been some earlier (recentish.. but earlier) references too.  Seems like product placement to me.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:sure, especially because she referred to them by name. why don&#039;t you add it? --[[User:PrettySMRT|PrettySMRT]] 20:27, 24 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==New Product Placement==&lt;br /&gt;
There&#039;s been a lot of recent product placement in the series.  Someone should go through and add it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:58, 21 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Official vs Unofficial==&lt;br /&gt;
Based on the discussion on the chats, I seperated the &amp;quot;official&amp;quot; product placement from the &amp;quot;un-official&amp;quot; ones.  I think it looks better and is more factual this way.  I&#039;ll get a picture of [[Neutrogena]] up, and then we&#039;ll have images of the official ones but not the un-official ones.  How does this sound?  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:33, 28 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pictures ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So currently I only have pictures for the &amp;quot;official product placement,&amp;quot; but I&#039;m wondering if with the growing list of &amp;quot;unofficial p.p.&amp;quot; if we should include pictures for those too, as the page is starting to look a little bare.  Maybe not for every instance... just like.. every fifth one or something?  I don&#039;t know, I&#039;d like thoughts!! Thanks.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:19, 13 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Newbound? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I tried to get screencaps for the remaining product placements but I failed to find the placement of anything related to Newbound in [[The Bree Solution]]. Can someone please help me out here? If we can&#039;t identify where it is, I suggest we delete it from the article. [[User:Acidfingers|Acidfingers]] 01:33, 27 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hallam Foe link, as promised! ==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.thefilmfactory.co.uk/spotlight/hallam_on_bebo.html The Film Factory - HALLAM FOE on Bebo]--[[User:PrettySMRT|PrettySMRT]] 11:01, 28 August 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Borders ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What about Borders? It was in the video Sexy Librarian. I think since it&#039;s set in a Borders, it should be included. Also, the Nikki Bower Christmas episode was in Borders as well... I know in a way, this is location, but Borders is a brand of sorts, and therefore should be of note in terms of product placement, even if no money was involved. --Greenie [[User:138.210.209.27|138.210.209.27]] 15:43, 14 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Something For Rockets ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Season 2 extended episodes, in the descriptions, they&#039;ve been mentioning and promoting Something For Rockets. Plus there is a link to the Something For Rockets MySpace on www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15. Shouldn&#039;t this be mentioned?&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:DarkSlateGray&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&#039;&#039;&#039;•Silver•&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;white&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Contribs&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 14:50, 29 October 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Restructure ==&lt;br /&gt;
I restructured the page a bit, since it&#039;s getting crazy-long. If anyone else has any ideas on how to get it under control, feel free. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:28, 27 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, I don&#039;t see the need for an image for every product placement.  It&#039;s making the page even more gigantic.  My suggestion would be to have (for the unofficial product placement) only a few representative pictures, and not make every product a new section.  Just look at how large the Table of Contents is. (O_O) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 13:36, 27 November 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Taged for Updating ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I tagged this article for updating because the article needs to be edited to reflect the product placement in the [[Prom: It&#039;s To Die For]] series (i.e. the Flip Mino cameras). --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:18, 10 June 2008 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Lonelygirl15 product placement</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Page needs updated after Prom: It&amp;#039;s To Die For.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Update}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{see also|KateModern product placement}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Product placement&#039;&#039;&#039; is a form of advertising in which a real-world product is placed inside a fictional form of media. Before agreeing to accept product placement, [[the Creators]] {{forum|5899|polled}} the fans at the [[forum]] to see if they approved of the revenue-generating technique.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Product Placement in LonelyGirl15==&lt;br /&gt;
===Ice Breakers Sours Gum===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0158Gum.jpg|thumb|right|Ice Breakers Sours Gum!]]&lt;br /&gt;
March 20th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Truckstop Reunion]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
April 4th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[It&#039;s Party Time - NBR Investigates]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
August 1st, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jumper===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:WYJ.jpg|thumb|right|PAAAANCAAAAAKESSS!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;See: [[Jumper]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Neutrogena]]===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JessicaNeutrogena.jpg|thumb|right|[[Jessica Lee Rose]] modeling for [[Neutrogena]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
August 1st, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
September 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Living with Girls]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;See also: [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Product Plugs in LG15==&lt;br /&gt;
These are products that have appeared in the series that were &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; part of an economic exchange between Lonelygirl15 and the maker of the product.&lt;br /&gt;
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===20th Century Fox===&lt;br /&gt;
=====The Princess Bride===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:The Princess Bride Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;The Princess Bride&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Adidas===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ADIDAS Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|All day I dream about sports.]] &lt;br /&gt;
August 7th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Sluttiness Prevails]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May 16th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Stiff]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===ALF===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Alf Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Having a little Alf on my day off!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 6th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Amstel Light Beer===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Amstel Light.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;You gonna flick that in?&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
September 5th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Dirty Secrets]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Anheuser-Busch===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Natural Ice=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Natural Ice Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Probably Daniel&#039;s&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
December 7th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Where Is Jonas?]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Apple===&lt;br /&gt;
=====iPod===== &lt;br /&gt;
May 14th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Booby Trap?]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====MacBook===== &lt;br /&gt;
May 8th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Satan&#039;s HQ]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May 9th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Sneak Attack!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====MacBook Pro===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MacBook Pro Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Reach out and touch someone.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
May 30th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Entertaining Myself]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
July 11th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[The Bree Solution]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
August 3rd, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
November 12th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[They&#039;re Gone]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
December 11th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Get Your Freak On]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
February 23rd, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Hangover Hell]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
April 24th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[What Is She Saying?]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
April 30th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Computer Penetration]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May 8th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Satan&#039;s HQ]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May 12th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Backseat Shocker]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
May 16th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Stiff]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Arrowhead Water===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Arrowhead Water Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Arrowhead Water&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Axe Body Spray===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Axe Kilo Body Spray Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Axe Kilo Body Spray&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Baby Ruth===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Baby Ruth Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Mmmmm, Baby Ruth!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
December 7th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Where Is Jonas?]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bellagio===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bellagio Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;This is pretty much my favorite hotel in Vegas.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 23rd, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Vegas, Baby!]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===BlackBerry===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BlackBerry 8700c Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;BlackBerry 8700c Cell Phone&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Bloomingdale&#039;s===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bloomingdales Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Shopping in Bloomingdale&#039;s.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
February 16th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Look Who I Found!!!]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Burger King===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:BurgerKing.jpg|thumb|150px|right|London has Burger King? Who knew!]]&lt;br /&gt;
April 21st, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[LA To LDN]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Campbell Soup Company===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Goldfish Crackers=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Goldfish Crackers Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Would you like some goldfish?&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 5th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Bedside Manner]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====V8=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:V8_juice.jpg|thumb|right|Refuel. Replenish. Rejoice!]] &lt;br /&gt;
October 25th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Is This The End?]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Capri Sun===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Capri Sun Juice Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Capri Sun: Not just for deciphering water-damaged notes!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
July 11th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[The Bree Solution]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Chili&#039;s===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Chilis Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;When you see an opportunity, reach out and grab it!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
April 16th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Claritin===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Claritin Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Claritin&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Claussen===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Claussen Pickles Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;What picnic is complete without some Claussen Pickles?!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 26th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Rockin&#039; the Boat]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Coca-Cola===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Coca-Cola Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Coca-Cola Slurpees.]]&lt;br /&gt;
February 7th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
April 4th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Hook Up At the Park]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Crayola===&lt;br /&gt;
November 22nd, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Eat Pie]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===CVS===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CVS Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;This is the notebook.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
May 29th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Opening the Box]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===DateWorks===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DateWorks Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|A DateWorks Calender in Bree&#039;s Room]]&lt;br /&gt;
August 6th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Del Taco===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Del Taco Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Taco delicioso!]] &lt;br /&gt;
December 4th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Warwalking]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===DreamWorks===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Shrek The Third=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shrek The Third Original Soundtrack Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Shrek The Third Original Soundtrack&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Dundee&#039;s Honey Brown Beer===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Honey Brown.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Yeeaaah!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
September 5th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Dirty Secrets]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Etch-A-Sketch===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Etch-A-Sketch Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Having a little fun on my day off!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 6th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===General Mills===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Apple Cinnamon Cheerios=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Apple Cinnamon Cheerios Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Apple Cinnamon Cheerios&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Good Humor===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Good Humor Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Delicious Strawberry Ice Cream!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 26th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Rockin&#039; the Boat]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Icee===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Icee Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Delicious Icee!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 26th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Subjects Apprehended]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===In-N-Out Burger===&lt;br /&gt;
April 1st, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Fries And A Shakedown]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Jay-Z Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jay-Z Vol 2 Hard Knock Life Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Jay-Z Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Jack Link&#039;s Beef Jerky===&lt;br /&gt;
May 16th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Stiff]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Kellogg&#039;s===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Froot Loops.jpg|thumb|right|Motel dining down to a science!]]&lt;br /&gt;
November 16th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Breakfast In Bed]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Kraft Foods===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Crystal Light=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Crystal Light Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Crystal Light Slurpees.]] &lt;br /&gt;
February 7th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Kraft Singles===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Kraft Singles Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Living off Kraft Singles and Wonder Bread.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 17th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Alex Is...]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Philadelphia Cream Cheese=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Philadelphia Cream Cheese Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Philadelphia Cream Cheese.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
September 27th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Student Film]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Kingsford Corn Starch===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Kingsford Corn Starch Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Kingsford Corn Starch.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Lancôme===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lancome Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;I pretended this was a gun.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
May 1st, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Crazy Emo Chick]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Marie Claire=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mary Claires Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;She needs some beauty secrets.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
February 16th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Look Who I Found!!!]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Mars, Inc.===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Snickers=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Snickers Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Hungry? Why Wait?]] &lt;br /&gt;
December 4th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Warwalking]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Milton Bradley===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Chutes &amp;amp; Ladders===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Chutes And Ladders Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Having a little Chutes &amp;amp; Ladders on my day off!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 6th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Memory===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Memory Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Having a little Memory on my day off!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 6th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Operation===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Operation Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Having a little Operation on my day off!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
March 6th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[School&#039;s In Session! - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Nabisco===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Premium Crackers=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Premium Crackers Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Great with soup!]] &lt;br /&gt;
December 4th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Warwalking]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Triscuit Crackers=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Triscuit Crackers Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;These crackers require some cheese!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
July 11th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[The Bree Solution]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Namaste Laboratories Organic Root Stimulator=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Namaste Laboratories Organic Root Stimulator Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Namaste Laboratories Organic Root Stimulator&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===National Geographic===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:National Geographic Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|A Christmas gift from Jonas to Bree.]] &lt;br /&gt;
December 25th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Christmas Surprise]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Feburary 18th, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[I Lost It]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===New Balance=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nike Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Got my kicks on.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
July 11th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[The Bree Solution]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Paramount Pictures===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Napoleon Dynamite===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Napoleon Dynamite Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Your mom goes to college!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
July 5th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===People===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBR25-People.jpg|thumb|right|Reading material.]] &lt;br /&gt;
November 17th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Groping (Alone) in the Dark]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===PepsiCo===&lt;br /&gt;
=====Frito-Lay=====&lt;br /&gt;
======Fritos======&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:NBR25-Fritos-String-Cheese.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;I found Fritos and string cheese.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
November 17th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Groping (Alone) in the Dark]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Gatorade=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Orange Gatorade Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Orange Gatorade.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Mountain Dew===== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mountain Dew Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Mountain Dew Slurpees.]] &lt;br /&gt;
February 7th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=====Pepsi-Cola=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Pepsi-Cola Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|If only if it was Grape Nehi.]] &lt;br /&gt;
January 22nd, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Investigating Pins and Pints]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===PowerBar=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Powerbars Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;I&#039;m running low on Powerbar wrappers.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 11th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Mr. Park Ranger]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
June 15th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Going Home]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Procter &amp;amp; Gamble===&lt;br /&gt;
=====NyQuil=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Nyquil.jpg|thumb|right|Zzzz...]] &lt;br /&gt;
August 24th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A Family Affair]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Rolling Stone===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rolling Stones Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Daniel reading the Rolling Stones magazine.]] &lt;br /&gt;
August 31st, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Bree The Cookie Monster]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===RPM=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RPM Product Placement 2.jpg|thumb|right|A [[cap]]? Is RPM part of the resistance?]]&lt;br /&gt;
October 25th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Hi Gemma!]] &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
April 29th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Schoolhouse Rock!===  &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Schoolhouse Rock Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;3 is a magic number.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 8th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[The Morning After]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Silk soy milk=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Silk Soy Milk Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Silk Soy Milk&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Splenda===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Splenda.jpg|thumb|right|All natural.]] &lt;br /&gt;
September 20th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Stakeout... With A Girl]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Starbucks Coffee===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Starbucks.jpg|thumb|right|Awesome for fighting Elders.]]&lt;br /&gt;
April 22nd, 2008 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Hunting The Elder]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Survivor=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Survivor Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Survivor&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Taiyo Yuden CDRs=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Taiyo Yuden CDRs Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Taido Yuden CDRs&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Time Magazine=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Time Magazine Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Daniel reading another magazine, this time, it&#039;s Time.]]&lt;br /&gt;
October 28th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Proving Longitude Wrong]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Trader Joe&#039;s===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TraderJoes Product Placement.JPG|thumb|right|Shopping bag from Trader Joe&#039;s]]&lt;br /&gt;
December 4th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Warwalking]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
September 18, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Living with Girls]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Troll Dolls=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:American Girl Doll Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Bed intended for Jonas and Mom-of-Taylor!&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 28th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[My Mom&#039;s A Freak!]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
===Two Trees Lozenges=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Two Trees Lozenges Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Two Trees Lozenges&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===United States Postal Service===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:USPS Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|Verrrry suspicious!]] &lt;br /&gt;
February 7th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Welch&#039;s=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Cranberry Juice.jpg|thumb|right|Traditional Thanksgiving cranberry sauce.]]&lt;br /&gt;
November 24th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Thanksgiving]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
October 25th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Is This The End?]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Wonder Bread=== &lt;br /&gt;
March 17th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Alex Is...]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Wolfgang Puck Hearty Lentil &amp;amp; Vegetables Soup=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Wolfgang Puck Hearty Lentil Vegetables Soup Product Placement.jpg|thumb|right|&amp;quot;Wolfgang Puck Herty Lentil &amp;amp; Vegetables Soup&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
June 18th, 2007 &amp;amp;mdash; [[A New Lead]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Yoplait=== &lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Yoplait.jpg|thumb|right|Bree&#039;s favorite yogurt.]]&lt;br /&gt;
November 16th, 2006 &amp;amp;mdash; [[Breakfast In Bed]] &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External link==&lt;br /&gt;
{{wikibox|Product_placement|Product placement}}&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://blogs.business2.com/business2blog/2007/03/lonelygirl15_ge.html News article on LG15&#039;s first product placement.]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Sponsors]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Notable details]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130426</id>
		<title>A Woman Scorned</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Woman_Scorned&amp;diff=130426"/>
		<updated>2008-06-11T02:29:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: adding note&lt;/p&gt;
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| description = Carl burnt me. Now it&#039;s my turn.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, I was right. Prom was... different. Um. I don&#039;t know what to say about Gina. I got to know her as well as anyone could. But Emma&#039;s right. She was strong and... a little guarded. Naive. She didn&#039;t deserve what happened to her. A-as for me, it&#039;s &#039;&#039;(rubs face with hands)&#039;&#039; complicated. I suppose you guys are wondering why I didn&#039;t come home for two days after what happened. I ran through the woods. I ran until my legs gave out. I couldn&#039;t breathe. My throat closed up. I- I guess I was dehydrated. And then I found a road. And I passed out. I guess that&#039;s what I get for spiking the punch. The next thing I remember, I woke up in the back seat of some woman&#039;s car. I guess she was taking me to the hospital. When we stopped at a stop light, I got out of the backseat because I wasn&#039;t taking &#039;&#039;any&#039;&#039; chances. I walked on foot for a couple miles, and I found a Denny&#039;s. I used the payphone outside to call Daniel, and he and Jonas came and got me. I was in a pretty bad state.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, walking over to a desk with a brown paper bag. She sets it down on the floor. Cut to Sarah, carrying over a small box and hat. She sets the box on the desk. And roughly throws the hat into the brown paper bag. Opening the box, Sarah takes out an envelope, rolling her eyes as she does so. She takes out the card and shows it to the camera; the cover says, &amp;quot;LOVE&amp;quot;. She takes a photograph out of the card before throwing it away, then rips the photo in two. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah removing roses from the box and shaking her head before disposing of them. Cut to Sarah, opening up a cardboard jewelry box and taking out a single earring. She drops it into the brown bag, staring at the camera. She then roughly throws the rest of the box into the bag. Cut to Sarah throwing away an unidentified, hard object. Cut to Sarah throwing out the entire box, now empty.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;(standing closer to the camera)&#039;&#039; It&#039;s my fault Gina&#039;s dead. That&#039;s why everyone&#039;s watching me. You know, if I hadn&#039;t had brought Carl...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, walking onscreen with the book&#039;&#039; Finding the One&#039;&#039;. She opens it to a page in the middle and rips it out.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;(Standing closer to the camera, again)&#039;&#039; He used me. He killed one of my friends. You know, I thought he loved me. Everything, the love letter, the bomb scare. It was all the set up.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to outside. A grill is standing in the back ground. Sarah comes onscreen from the right, in front of the grill.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know what, I hate him. I &#039;&#039;hate&#039;&#039; Carl. He betrayed me and he used me to get to one of us. And I can&#039;t believe that I fell for it the whole time. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, now behind the grill, preparing it for use.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; They won&#039;t say it, but they think I have something to do with what happened. And-- and why? Because I got sick and fell asleep in the back of some woman&#039;s car? &#039;&#039;(leans over and reaches into the brown bag she&#039;d filled up earlier, grabbing a handful of stuff and dropping it in the grill.) You know, I feel bad enough as it is. &#039;&#039;(leans over to grab another item)&#039;&#039; And the fact that they think that I had something to do with it, it&#039;s just-- &#039;&#039;(drops item into the grill)&#039;&#039; it&#039;s wrong. &#039;&#039;(leans over to retrieve yet another item. She sighs angrily.)&#039;&#039; This is like the [[Lullaby Project| Lullaby Project]] &#039;&#039;(drops item into grill)&#039;&#039; all over again, everyone&#039;s second guessing me. &#039;&#039;(leans over for more items)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, dropping in another handful of stuff.She leans over and picks up another object.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; You know, I could go back to Texas. Then I think about Gina. And... I can&#039;t run away. You know what, she deserves better than that. &#039;&#039;(sets object on fire and drops it in.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Cut to Sarah, ripping up a paper and throwing the pieces into the flame. Cut to the pieces of paper burning. The camera slowly zooms up on them.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(Fade out to Sarah, back inside.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Since I got back, Daniel&#039;s been by my side, taking care of me and... it&#039;s nice. What happened between us at prom, you know it-- it really meant something. But... with what happened, and... how everyone looks at me... I honestly don&#039;t know where it&#039;s gonna lead. There&#039;s a small bit of good news, though. Um, Jennie thinks that she may have found something that can help us pay back that murderer. I&#039;ll keep you posted. &#039;&#039;(covers camera with hand)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*It may be interesting to note that, while she tears out Carl&#039;s note in the back, Sarah never destroys the [[Hymn of One]] book she received after being brainwashed.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Partner_Swap&amp;diff=129128</id>
		<title>Partner Swap</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Partner_Swap&amp;diff=129128"/>
		<updated>2008-06-06T02:55:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: added characters.&lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 492&lt;br /&gt;
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| caption     = Did you say the most memorable night of our lives?&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Emma&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 2008066&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|610}}&lt;br /&gt;
| forumid     = &lt;br /&gt;
| length      = 7:27&lt;br /&gt;
| description = It takes courage to fight The Order... and ask a girl on a date!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15/News&amp;diff=129127</id>
		<title>Portal:lonelygirl15/News</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15/News&amp;diff=129127"/>
		<updated>2008-06-06T02:49:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: added image to new video... don&amp;#039;t know if i like it this small.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;padding:1ex 1em; border:#aaa 1px solid; width:80%&amp;quot; align=&amp;quot;left&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;This is a content subpage for [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
It contains usage information, categories and other content that is not part of the original page.&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Content Inclusions|{{PAGENAME}}]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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|date         = June 6th, 2008&lt;br /&gt;
|description  = &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Prom: It&#039;s To Die For]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This Friday, June 6th, someone will be dancing their last dance&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&amp;amp;t=17530 discuss at forum]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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=={{date|20080605}}==&lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = While pairing off for prom, Daniel ends up the lucky one.&lt;br /&gt;
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=={{date|20080603}}==&lt;br /&gt;
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|url          = {{lg15|609}}&lt;br /&gt;
|forumurl     = http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&amp;amp;t=17545&lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = The girls figure out how to stay entertained&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Recent videos&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sticks &amp;amp; Stones]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Goodbye... For Now]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Doing It Myself]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tick Tick Boom]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Backyard Bikini Patrol]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Girl Grown Up]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;[[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of all videos...]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Partner_Swap&amp;diff=129126</id>
		<title>Partner Swap</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Partner_Swap&amp;diff=129126"/>
		<updated>2008-06-06T02:47:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: oops... messed up infobox syntax.&lt;/p&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Partner_Swap&amp;diff=129125</id>
		<title>Partner Swap</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Partner_Swap&amp;diff=129125"/>
		<updated>2008-06-06T02:46:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: added image&lt;/p&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<updated>2008-06-06T02:45:15Z</updated>

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		<updated>2008-06-06T02:39:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: new video.&lt;/p&gt;
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|description  = &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Prom: It&#039;s To Die For]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This Friday, June 6th, someone will be dancing their last dance&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=68&amp;amp;t=17530 discuss at forum]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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|blogger      = Emma&lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = The girls find prom dresses and have a little fun.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Dressing Room Hi-Jinks</title>
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		<updated>2008-06-05T03:53:18Z</updated>

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| caption     = Why would we laugh?  Oh, right...&lt;br /&gt;
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| length      = 5:29&lt;br /&gt;
| description = This was too much fun.&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = [[Big Bear Lake|Rented Cabin at Big Bear Lake]], Mall&lt;br /&gt;
| tags        = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|emma|jenny|danielbeast|jonastko|hymn of one|sarah}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; So, we&#039;re really doing it.  We&#039;re having prom.  I don&#039;t know how Sarah convinced Jonas and Daniel but she did and they&#039;re actually going along with it.  You know, since Emma&#039;s been back everything&#039;s been so different.  It&#039;s-I mean, well the last two weeks have been the worst of our lives, but it&#039;s really made us closer.  We know that we need each other and we have each other.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;In the background&#039;&#039;)  Jennie!  Are you coming?  We&#039;re leaving.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;To Emma&#039;&#039;)  Yep.  I&#039;ll be right there.  (&#039;&#039;To the camera&#039;&#039;)  Okay, just between you and me, I&#039;m secretly really looking forward to it.  (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)  I mean, it&#039;s gonna be so fun shopping with my girls.  And this- this thing with Carl... well, it&#039;s brought Sarah and I close and it&#039;s nice to have my friend back again.  There&#039;s just a whole new feeling right now.  A really good feeling.  And I&#039;m just gonna roll with it.  (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)  Okay, I gotta go.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to a red scene of Sarah, Emma, and Gina trying on prom dresses.  Music is playing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; I feel like a Christmas present!  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; I feel like she&#039;s hot!  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to a black and white scene of the girls trying on dresses as the music plays over it&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;To Gina&#039;&#039;)  You have a strippingly good body.  (&#039;&#039;The camera pans up and down Gina&#039;s body and Gina hides behind the curtain to her dressing room.  The shot goes red&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; What do you think?  Nah?  (&#039;&#039;Turns to check herself out in the mirror&#039;&#039;)  Hike it up?  (&#039;&#039;Camera pans down to the bottom of Emma&#039;s dress.  The shot turns black and white.  Emma laughs and starts dancing&#039;&#039;.)  Alright, next!  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Emma dances backwards out of the shot.  Jennie is shown next as the shot goes red again&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; I secretly love it!  (&#039;&#039;Jennie poses for the camera and does a little dance.  The girls start laughing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to a black and white shot of Jennie and Emma&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;To Emma concerning her dress&#039;&#039;)  Will Jonas approve?  (&#039;&#039;Gina starts laughing&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Shakes her head&#039;&#039;)  No!  But I don&#039;t care!  I&#039;m a big girl!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Shot goes red and the girls are shown showing off their dresses some more.  Sarah is then shown trying to hike up her dress over her chest&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Pretending to cup Sarah&#039;s chest&#039;&#039;)  Ow!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Helping Sarah with the back of the dress&#039;&#039;)  It&#039;s really cute.  It would be cute.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Referring to Sarah&#039;s chest&#039;&#039;)  I could eat, like, my breakfast off those things.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Sarah in the dressing room showing off a black and white zigzag print dress&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; I think I look a little bit hot.  (&#039;&#039;Kisses camera then sticks tongue out at it&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Jennie trying on another dress&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; What... is it?  (&#039;&#039;Camera pans up and down to show her dress&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; That&#039;s horrible!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Well, okay, let&#039;s see yours then.  (&#039;&#039;Jennie takes the camera from Gina and films Gina&#039;s dress&#039;&#039;)  Well, actually, you look really cute.  (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thanks.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to a black and white shot of Gina and Jennie trying on sunglasses.  Cut to Emma trying on flowery barrettes.  Cut to Sarah trying on sunglasses.  A camera shutter sound is heard and a picture of Gina, Jennie, and Emma with shutter shades on.  Shutter sound again followed by a picture of Gina, Jennie, and Emma in the shutter shades and Sarah with regular sunglasses on.  Shutter sound agtain.  Cut to a black and white shot of Emma in the dressing room with another dress on&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)  Doesn&#039;t really good... look good in this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Jennie in another dress.  Cut to a black and white shot of her twirling in another dress&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; Shake it, girl!  (&#039;&#039;Camera pans in on Sarah&#039;&#039;)  Nice, work it!  Sarah, oh oh!  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Gina in another dress dancing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; Ooh, look at Gina coming out of her shell!  Hello!  Look it, she gets that dress and it&#039;s a whole new personality.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Girls laugh.  Cut to the girls again.  Jennie lifts up the back of her dress playfully and laughs&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; There you have it.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to a close up of Jennie&#039;s face.  She&#039;s covering it and laughing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Seriously.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Camera shutter sound followed by a picture of Emma, Jennie (blowing a bubble), and Gina.  Shutter sound again&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Red&#039;&#039;)  Gina&#039;s being a little shy.  She won&#039;t come out and show us her new outfit.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to the dressing room door&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Rapping on the door&#039;&#039;)  Gina, open the door.  Open the door.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; If I come out, you seriously cannot laugh at me.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; We&#039;re not gonna laugh!  We&#039;re not gonna laugh!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Saracastically&#039;&#039;) Yeah, we promise!  Why would we laugh?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Gina opens the door and is wearing a dress with a matching sweater.  The girls laugh&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; I think my mom has that in blue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Laughing&#039;&#039;)  You promised!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s shocking!  I wasn&#039;t expecting... Oh, God.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh, God.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Jennie holding up some men&#039;s underwear that read &amp;quot;For My Darling&amp;quot; in a heart with wings and an anchor&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Jonas... for my darling!  Aww.  (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to a black and white shot of Gina modeling another dress down the hall of the dressing room.  She starts laughing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; I know.  (&#039;&#039;Laughing&#039;&#039;)  You love it.  (&#039;&#039;Models back&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Sarah models up and down the hall.  Gina can be seen peeking out of her dressing room, laughing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Emma in front of a white couch modeling.  Shutter sound and a picture of Emma is shown.  Shutter sound, picture of Sarah.  Shutter sound, picture of Gina, Emma, and Jennie.  Shutter sound.  The girls are shown with their bags heading toward an escalator&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; Do you guys think I picked the right one?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yes I do... it&#039;s just took six hours.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Girls laugh&#039;&#039;)  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)  (&#039;&#039;To Sarah&#039;&#039;)  Um, did you talk to Carl today?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yeah!  Yeah, um, he&#039;s doing a lot better.  So... yeah.  (&#039;&#039;Emma nods&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; He&#039;s doing really well considering everything that&#039;s happened.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yeah, I&#039;m-I&#039;m really glad you think that cause, um, I invited him to prom.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The girls step off the escalator&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; What?  Sarah, why would you do that?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Why are you freaking out about this?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; Um, because we talked about that.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; We didn&#039;t talk about anything!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The girls get on another escalator&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yes we did!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; Shh, guys!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Sarah!  Nobody&#039;s supposed to know where we are!  That&#039;s the whole point!  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Why don&#039;t you say it a little louder?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Have you lost your mind?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; No!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Emma talks quietly to Jennie and Gina, saying something about how she was there&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; Sarah, if you want to take him to prom, I completely support you.  Okay?  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; You&#039;re welcome.  And they will too.  Trust me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Emma, thank you.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The girls step off of the escalator and start laughing&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Filming herself&#039;&#039;)  Plus, I think I look kinda hot in a ruffled shirt... if you know what I&#039;m saying.  (&#039;&#039;Makes a face at the camera&#039;&#039;)  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Jennie outside&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; So we were trying on shoes and we got a little freaked out by all the men in suits.  We should go anyways.  We spent way too much time in public.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Emma:&#039;&#039;&#039; And Sarah, you promised that your gonna help Gina and I walk in some heels.  Yeah.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yeah... that could take a while.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina:&#039;&#039;&#039; A long time.  (&#039;&#039;Girls laugh&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut to Jennie in the cabin showing off her dress&#039;&#039;.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Holding the dress up to her&#039;&#039;)  I want to know what you guys think.  Too much?  Sarah says it&#039;s too pink and too prude but... (&#039;&#039;Laughs&#039;&#039;)  Well, that probably means it&#039;s perfect, right?  (&#039;&#039;Throws the dress on the couch&#039;&#039;)  Okay, so now that we have dresses one obstacle remains.  Dates.  And the questions is:  Who&#039;s gonna ask who?  Now, if we&#039;re gonna have prom tomorrow night, we need dates really soon and there&#039;s only two guys for the three girls left.  Yeah.  Things are gonna get ugly.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* Jennie states at the end of the video that the prom is tomorrow (June 5) when the prom is actually Friday, June 6.&lt;br /&gt;
* Katherine Pawlak&#039;s voice sounds raspy throughout the video, as if she had recently been using her vocal cords intensively (i.e. by yelling or screaming) and almost lost her voice.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Sticks_%26_Stones&amp;diff=128929</id>
		<title>Sticks &amp; Stones</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Sticks_%26_Stones&amp;diff=128929"/>
		<updated>2008-06-04T01:20:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: added note.&lt;/p&gt;
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| caption     = Yeah, let&#039;s do that for once...&lt;br /&gt;
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| date        = 20080602&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|607}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| description = Everybody has their own way of coping&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Gina&#039;&#039;&#039;: Look familiar? Last time we were here, there was alot of snow. We decided to come back up to the cabin because we are sick of having to look around every corner. Weve been here for what almost a week now, and look, I know going offline was pretty drastic, but being hunted by an evil cult doesn&#039;t exactly keep you sane. Honestly, I believe that back home, life was bringing out the worst in all of us. Now I finally get to see the real people behind the faces I am living with. For instance, everyone has thie rway of coping with the pain. Who should we begin with... Sarah! She talks with Carl everyday, and he&#039;s great, and so is she! Now we know her way of coping - denial. For me, things are a bit different. While locked up in the Hart study for most of my life, I would close my eyes and wish for a life without loss and test tubes. Escape. Jennie, I bet you could guess what she&#039;s useful for: she&#039;s the glue that is holding all of us together with care! I just hopes she remembers to care for herself! Now... the boys! Jonas and Daniel look at last week&#039;s events as a major setback in their plans to take down the order. Now that were here, they can take turns keeping watch without entirely worrying about our lives. Talking about life, it has definately been harsh on Emma lately. But it has also caused her to make a change; to grow up! Maybe I need to look to her more often! But one things for sure. I am happy to be here, to finally have a purpose worth living for! And now, when I close my eyes, this what I see... (pans the camera to a group photo of TAAg infront of Big Bear Cabin)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina is wearing a [[cap]].&lt;br /&gt;
*Since the photograph Gina displays at the end of the video displays all six main characters &amp;amp;mdash; Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Jennie, Gina, and Emma &amp;amp;mdash; it&#039;s unclear who in the [[Breeniverse]] might have taken the photo. It&#039;s very possible, however that [[TAAG]] used a camera equipped with an automatic picture-taking device on a delay.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15/News&amp;diff=128819</id>
		<title>Portal:lonelygirl15/News</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15/News&amp;diff=128819"/>
		<updated>2008-06-03T03:46:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Description for Sticks &amp;amp; Stones.&lt;/p&gt;
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|description  = The TAAG goes underground.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bloodlines:_Part_4&amp;diff=128102</id>
		<title>Bloodlines: Part 4</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bloodlines:_Part_4&amp;diff=128102"/>
		<updated>2008-05-26T02:33:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: &lt;/p&gt;
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| name        = {{PAGENAME}}&lt;br /&gt;
| number      = 410&lt;br /&gt;
| image       = 410-DrHartConfessing.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| caption     = Everything&#039;s over&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Dr. Hart&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20080126&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|498}}&lt;br /&gt;
| forumid     = 15917&lt;br /&gt;
| length      = 5:01&lt;br /&gt;
| description = I&#039;ve been running around this place for hours. Uploading this video will probably be the last thing I ever do . . . but at least I didn&#039;t let them win.&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = [[Minor locations#Porter&#039;s hospital|Porter&#039;s hospital]]&lt;br /&gt;
| tags        = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|daniel|jonastko|bree|hospital|ceremony|help}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| serprod     = Amanda Goodfried &lt;br /&gt;
| directors   = Marcello Daciano &lt;br /&gt;
| story       = Jake Coburn&lt;br /&gt;
| vidplay     = Jake Coburn&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart is heard running through and dark building and breathing hard. Voices are heard and then the silhouette of a man with a gun is seen in the darkness. Dr. Hart continues to run through a door then sits down against a wall. He takes a look back to make sure no one is there then speaks to the camera.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart:&#039;&#039;&#039; This is my final message. [[Dr. William Porter|Bill Porter]] is dead. I killed him. I couldn&#039;t go through with [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]]. I couldn&#039;t sacrifice [[Emma]]. So I poisoned Emma&#039;s blood with the serum. I poisoned Porter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;A voice calling for Dr. Hart is heard in the background. Dr. Hart turns toward it then back to the camera.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart:&#039;&#039;&#039; I can never make up for all the people I&#039;ve hurt, all the families I betrayed. But I can end this. Verdus, Porter, me--it all ends. [[Daniel]], [[Jonas]], I hope [[Gina]]&#039;s safe with you. Protect her. Please, she deserves a better life, a free life. Free from people like me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;A voice in the background says &amp;quot;Try upstairs; take the stairs.&amp;quot; Dr. Hart gets up and starts to run again. He goes through several passageways sometimes being following closely by a man with a gun. An ominous laugh is heard. Dr. Hart eventually gets to the stairs which Jonas was in in [[Bloodlines: Part 3|part 3]]. He tries the door but it is locked with a padlock. He sits down on the steps.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;breathing hard&#039;&#039;) I remember the first time I met Gina. I had just started working for Porter. We flew on his jet to Lake Baikal in Siberia. We drove all day and into the night, until we found this tiny Russian village. A priest there introduced us to this young mother. And then we finally met her two girls. A two-year old named Yevgeny, and her newborn sister, Bronislava. The girls were so perfect. They were both [[trait positive]]. Porter paid, and then we left. On the flight home, I sat with Yevgeny. She was going to be my research subject, my dream. That&#039;s when I named her Gina. Porter said he&#039;d already arranged for an American family to raise Bronislava as if she were their own. And that&#039;s when he named her [[Bree]].&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Men are heard running down the stairs toward Dr. Hart saying that they have found him. Dr. Hart slowly sets the camera down as they approach.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*This video reveals that [[Bree]] is [[Gina]]&#039;s sister.&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina&#039;s Russian name sounds like [http://www.yeahbaby.com/baby-name.php?name=Yevgeny Yevgeny], although that is the masculine form of the name. The feminine form is [http://www.yeahbaby.com/baby-name.php?name=Yevgeniya Yevgeniya].&lt;br /&gt;
*The voices of the men, chasing Dr. Hart, sound as though they were added in post-production and run through an echo effect.&lt;br /&gt;
*The footage in this video was shot at [http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/ABNF/linda_vista_hospital.htm Linda Vista Hospital].&lt;br /&gt;
*This video has more than 10,000 comments on lg15.com, more than any other videos.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bloodlines:_Part_3&amp;diff=128101</id>
		<title>Bloodlines: Part 3</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bloodlines:_Part_3&amp;diff=128101"/>
		<updated>2008-05-26T02:33:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: &lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 409&lt;br /&gt;
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| caption     = Déjà vu&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Jonas&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20080125&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|497}}&lt;br /&gt;
| forumid     = 15902&lt;br /&gt;
| length      = 3:35&lt;br /&gt;
| description = I&#039;m inside the facility.&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = [[Minor locations#Porter&#039;s hospital|Porter&#039;s hospital]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| directors   = Marcello Daciano &lt;br /&gt;
| story       = Jake Coburn and Ben Kruger&lt;br /&gt;
| vidplay     = Jake Coburn and Ben Kruger&lt;br /&gt;
| camera      = Kevin Schlanser &lt;br /&gt;
| editor      = Matt Vanselow&lt;br /&gt;
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| song = &lt;br /&gt;
| cast = {{VidChar|Jonas}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Emma}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Dr. Calvin Hart|Sean Vincent Biggins}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Female doctor|Jenni Powell}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Thug|Miles Beckett}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Thug|Lonelygirl15 cameos#David Zahedian{{!}}David Zahedian}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Thug|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Fan Cameos{{!}}Greg Gallows}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Shadow|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Nate Geez{{!}}Nate Geez}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Porter&#039;s Shadow|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Tom Snyder{{!}}Tom Snyder}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Dr. William Porter|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Jason Wilburn{{!}}Jason Wilburn}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| Previous = Bloodlines: Part 2&lt;br /&gt;
| Next = Bloodlines: Part 4&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| NextB = Up All Night&lt;br /&gt;
| PreviousC = &lt;br /&gt;
| NextC = &lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Jonas is racing down the stairs after coming into the hospital, in the same shot as the end of [[Bloodlines: Part 2]]. He goes down the dimly lit hallway, and stops outside a room with a single mattress on the floor.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;whispering&#039;&#039;) K. I&#039;m inside. This place is a fucking maze.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;He goes around a corner to see a man standing in the hallway checking the clip in his gun. The man disappears into a room and Jonas ventures down the hallway. The female doctor and a man appear and walk down the hallway away from Jonas. He ducks behind them into another room, and they continue walking. Cut to a stairwell. A door up the stairs reads &amp;quot;B thru Q. 1 Floor. No Roof Access.&amp;quot; Someone appears in the window; Jonas retreats a bit down the stairs. Some men come through the door talking and laughing, and go up the stairs without seeing Jonas. He watches the go out of sight.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;whispering&#039;&#039;) That was close.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Jonas goes through the door, which seems to lead to another hallway. Cut to another room in the hospital.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; I have no idea where I&#039;m going. You know, I hope you guys get to see this, but I&#039;m starting to get the feeling like I might not get to post this thing. (&#039;&#039;sighs&#039;&#039;) Alright. Wish me luck.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;He comes to another hallway and sees the same Female Doctor go by with a cart. He follows her down the hallway. She leaves the cart in the hall and goes into a room. Jonas comes and hides behind the cart. Inside the room, Dr. Hart is standing over two patients getting blood transfusions. Thugs and a Shadow are standing nearby.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; What the fuck? Oh god.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The patient on the right lifts her head, and we see that it is Emma.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;inaudible, possibly &amp;quot;He&#039;s doing it for her.&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;) What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? Ok.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart checks the blood bags, and talks to the patient on the left. He lifts his head, and we see that it is an Elder. He pans back to Emma, who sees him. She shakes her head &amp;quot;no.&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Hey. Hey. &amp;quot;No&amp;quot; what? Emma, what? What the fuck are you saying?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Emma smiles and puts her head back down. A heart monitor stops, and the patient on the left falls off the bed. Dr. Hart helps Emma out of her IVs.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Thugs and Shadow:&#039;&#039;&#039; Doctor, help, here. Doctor! Doctor!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart and Jonas help Emma off the bed, and she runs out of the room. Jonas follows.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart:&#039;&#039;&#039; Get her out of here! (&#039;&#039;He closes the doors. Gunshot. A Thug seems to pull Dr. Hart down.&#039;&#039;) RUN!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Emma gets to the end of the hallway and goes through the doors into the light, and Jonas is close behind.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*Gina is misspelled as &amp;quot;Gin&amp;quot; in the tags.&lt;br /&gt;
*The footage in this video was shot at [http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/ABNF/linda_vista_hospital.htm Linda Vista Hospital].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bloodlines:_Part_2&amp;diff=128100</id>
		<title>Bloodlines: Part 2</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bloodlines:_Part_2&amp;diff=128100"/>
		<updated>2008-05-26T02:32:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: &lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 408&lt;br /&gt;
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| caption     = What&#039;s Emma begging for?&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Jonas&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = 20080125&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|496}}&lt;br /&gt;
| forumid     = 15893&lt;br /&gt;
| length      = 1:48&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Ahhh, we were so close to getting Emma. But we do have a lead.&lt;br /&gt;
| location    = [[Minor locations#Porter&#039;s hospital|Porter&#039;s hospital]]&lt;br /&gt;
| tags        = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|daniel|jonastko|bree|hospital}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| serprod     = Amanda Goodfried &lt;br /&gt;
| directors   = Marcello Daciano &lt;br /&gt;
| story       = Jake Coburn and Ben Kruger&lt;br /&gt;
| vidplay     = Jake Coburn and Ben Kruger&lt;br /&gt;
| camera      = Kevin Schlanser &lt;br /&gt;
| editor      = Matt Vanselow&lt;br /&gt;
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs &lt;br /&gt;
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| cast = {{VidChar|Jonas}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Daniel}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Sarah}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Jennie}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Female doctor|Jenni Powell}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Bloodlines: Part 2{{!}}Male doctor|Jake Coburn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Dr. Calvin Hart|Sean Vincent Biggins}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Thug|Lonelygirl15 cameos#Fan Cameos{{!}}Greg Gallows}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Emma}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Gina|Crystal Young}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
| Previous = Bloodlines: Part 1&lt;br /&gt;
| Next = Bloodlines: Part 3&lt;br /&gt;
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| PreviousB =&lt;br /&gt;
| NextB = &lt;br /&gt;
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| NextC = &lt;br /&gt;
}} It is the second video of the [[Season Two Finale]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Daniel, Jonas, Sarah and Jennie are running through a park of sorts. Jonas is filming.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Virgil&#039;s dead. After Lucy took off with Emma we went back into the house and we searched through Porter&#039;s files. Turns out, not only did he put half a &#039;&#039;billion&#039;&#039; in the Bio-Therapy Report, but he also bought this old hospital.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The camera shows a white building. The group runs further towards it, staying hidden behind palm trees and bushes.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Emma&#039;s in there somewhere. I have no idea where, but she&#039;s in there. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;A female doctor and a medical assistant are shown.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh...wait a minute...wait wait wait Jonas! It&#039;s Dr. Hart! &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh shit!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; What&#039;re you gonna do?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Shit!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; What&#039;re you gonna do?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; I don&#039;t know! If we grab Dr. Hart now then this whole thing will just---&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Daniel:&#039;&#039;&#039; Screw this.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Daniel stands up and runs towards the building.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Daniel! What---?!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh my god he can&#039;t just go in there!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Daniel!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Is he really just gonna do that?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Cut. The camera is now closer to the building, focused on a window behind which Dr. Hart and Emma are. Daniel appears next to them.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; I still ca---still can&#039;t believe he just walked right in there like that!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Just let me think, ok?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Hey, don&#039;t you think you should call his phone or something maybe? Or...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Damn, where is he? (&#039;&#039;Dr. Hart is visible in the window.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Guys! Please just be quiet for second and let me think, ok?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; There! There. He&#039;s right there. (&#039;&#039;Daniel and Dr. Hart are visible in the window. Emma appears, and they seem to be fighting or arguing.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Shh! What the fuck? (&#039;&#039;Emma and Dr. Hart seem to be explaining something to Daniel.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Fuck!&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Emma!&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s her! She&#039;s in there!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; What&#039;s going on? I don&#039;t understand.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Daniel, what the hell are you doing? Come on, go, get outta there!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; It looks like they&#039;re fighting.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Go! Run!&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Why aren&#039;t they leaving? What&#039;s going on?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; You guys, I... what&#039;s happening? &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;Daniel seems to be placated, Emma leaves the shot. Dr. Hart seems to be reassuring Daniel of something.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Run. What the fuck are they doing?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Why are they fighting like that?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; Wait a minute, who is that? (&#039;&#039;A new person has come into the shot.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh my god! Oh my god you guys, that&#039;s [[Gina]]! (&#039;&#039;Gina hugs Dr. Hart&#039;&#039;) What? What?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; What the fuck is going on?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Wha... I don&#039;t...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Oh, get out of there! Go! (&#039;&#039;Daniel pulls Gina away from Dr. Hart and leaves the shot&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sarah:&#039;&#039;&#039; What are we gonna do?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jennie:&#039;&#039;&#039; Why are they leaving? What? Oh my god, he just took Gina. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
(&#039;&#039;The TAAG is running towards the door of the hospital. Gina and Daniel come out of the door.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Where is she?!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Daniel:&#039;&#039;&#039; Jonas, wait man, listen to me.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Fuck off.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Daniel:&#039;&#039;&#039; Listen to me! Jonas! (&#039;&#039;Jonas runs past Daniel and into the hospital to look for Emma.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*This video confirms the death of [[Virgil]].&lt;br /&gt;
*The footage in this video was shot at [http://www.abandonedbutnotforgotten.com/ABNF/linda_vista_hospital.htm Linda Vista Hospital].&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Am_I_A_Criminal%3F&amp;diff=98583</id>
		<title>Am I A Criminal?</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Am_I_A_Criminal%3F&amp;diff=98583"/>
		<updated>2008-01-20T03:28:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: &lt;/p&gt;
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| number      = 402&lt;br /&gt;
| image       = 0402-SarahCat.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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| blogger     = Sarah&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = January 19th, 2008&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = {{lg15|487}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| length      = 4:38&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Bad week . . good week. Bad week because Emma is in trouble and Jonas is a drunk. Good week because you guys helped us find McKinley&#039;s match.com password and we were able to access his account. Bad week because some of you started changing it and he probably freaked out and shut it down. Good week because when we were able to access it, we learned he was a caffeine junky and hung out at a Starbucks near his apartment. Bad week because I was planning on setting up a date with him and meeting him at the Buck, but his account went down before that could happen. Good week because Daniel and I were able to find the Starbucks near his apartment and canvass the area. Bad week because I only had heels with me.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{VidChar|Sarah|Alexandra Dreyfus}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{VidChar|Ted McKinley|Cameos#Stephen Anthony{{!}}Stephen Anthony}}&lt;br /&gt;
| Previous = Beer Bath&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
{{transcript incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*The title of the video is similar to Jennie&#039;s [[Am I A Murderer?]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Lonelygirl15&amp;diff=59232</id>
		<title>Talk:Lonelygirl15</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Lonelygirl15&amp;diff=59232"/>
		<updated>2007-07-18T02:51:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Not a Predecessor&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Should this page, instead of redirecting to [[Bree]], discuss the Lonelygirl15 world/production/whatever?  A movie or television show can&#039;t be defined solely by its primary character.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps we should have disambiguation page.  Thoughts?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Twistofreality|Twistofreality]] 12:35, 30 September 2006 (PDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Great idea. - [[User:Dharmabum420|Dharmabum420]] 18:15, 30 September 2006 (PDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Links shouldn&#039;t point to disambiguation pages ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...or so I believe I&#039;ve read somewhere. It may be a very big side project, but (just about) all pages that link here should be fixed to link to the appropriate &#039;&#039;actual&#039;&#039; page, don&#039;t you think?. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 13:10, 14 November 2006 (PST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I assume most of the pages should point to [[Lonelygirl15 (production)]]. I could do this with the bot, but I&#039;m wondering if we need this disambig page at all. I don&#039;t think that &#039;lonelygirl15&#039; is used to refer to [[Bree]] very often. A disambig line at the top of the page pointing to [[Bree]] would be sufficient, I think. Thoughts?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:15, 24 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I think what Jonpro suggested is the way to go on this one.  While we&#039;re on the subject.  I think there&#039;s instances of &amp;quot;Lonelygirl15&amp;quot; floating about mid-sentence.  I&#039;m pretty sure it should be lowercase &amp;quot;lonelygir15&amp;quot;.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:15, 24 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:::Okay, if no one objects, I think I&#039;ll move [[Lonelygirl15 (production)]] to [[Lonelygirl15]] soon and fix the redirects that result and the capitalization of &amp;quot;Lonelygirl15&amp;quot; with our trusty [[User:LGBot|LGBot]].--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:55, 25 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I disagree with moving lonelygirl15(production) to lonelygirl15. lonleygirl15 is first and formost, Bree&#039;s online identity, or does everyone think that Bree has just become a character in a TV series named lonleygirl15, and has ceased to be an online personality [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:09, 26 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I understand that &amp;quot;lonelygirl15&amp;quot; refers to Bree in a very direct way, but I see the term as applying more to the series than the character. Perhaps I have been spending too much time on the LGPedia where Bree is always called &amp;quot;Bree&amp;quot; and not other places where Bree is referred to as &amp;quot;lonelygirl15&amp;quot;. Still, it seems that a disambiguation page that lists two items is not very helpful. It doesn&#039;t make sense to move [[Bree]] to [[Lonelygirl15]], so to me it makes sense to move [[Lonelygirl15 (production)]] to [[Lonelygirl15]] and have a line at the top that says something like &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;This page is about the lonelygirl15 series. For the character, see [[Bree]].&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; That&#039;s just my opinion; it&#039;s not like there&#039;s really a right or wrong answer.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:52, 26 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::: I think I agree with Jonpro.  Nobody has referred to &#039;&#039;Bree&#039;&#039; as LG in a long time, and when people say &amp;quot;I love LG15&amp;quot; it&#039;s clear that they mean the show.  Also, [[The creators|MM&amp;amp;G]] have said in several recent interviews that lonelygirl15 will continue after Jessica Lee Rose leaves.  So it&#039;s clear that they&#039;re thinking of lonelygirl15 as the show, and not as much the character. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:40, 26 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lowercase template? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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:My question is... lonelygirl15, or Lonelygirl15?  Which one is right? both?  on the lonelygirl15.com website, it says &amp;quot;A Tribute to Lonelygirl15&amp;quot;, so it seems the Creators don&#039;t mind capitalizing it.  I think it could be nice to lowercase it, I&#039;m just not sure if it&#039;s correct.  *shrugs* thoughts anyone?  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:48, 8 February 2007 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Does Anyone Think...? ==&lt;br /&gt;
 That the real thelema people might come after the lg15 people for the way they depict thelema?&lt;br /&gt;
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Thelma is a pretty broad description.  I think it is more likely that they have inside knowledge of the workings of the &amp;quot;religion&amp;quot; they are basing this on or more likely it is a totally ficticious religion based on a composite of other religions.  Most of the true &amp;quot;religions&amp;quot; of this nature depend on &lt;br /&gt;
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== Cleanup Still Apply? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This page has had a cleanup tag on it for a while.  Do people still believe it is in need of a cleanup?  If so, what are people looking for the page to have that it currently doesn&#039;t?  My vote is to just remove the plot summary and simply link to [[The Story So Far...]]  Other than that, I think it&#039;s fine.  What does everyone else think?  Comment please!!  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:34, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, the idea was that this article would give a comprehensive overview to the world of lonelygirl15, as in, if you only read one article on the whole wiki, you could read this one and understand the basics.  So, I &#039;&#039;really like&#039;&#039; having the article have really condensed versions of [[The Story So Far...]] and [[The Hunt For Bree]].  The article could still use sections on the reception the show has received, the major news events that have happened around the production (i.e. VH1 Big in 06 Award, Katharine McPhee, IceBreakers gum and KateModern). --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:45, 13 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Silly templates! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can someone who knows about templates please see what can be done about listing more characters?  As I stated in my revisions, after 6 of them (item16), they just don&#039;t show up. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 23:53, 20 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I&#039;ll put that on my to-do list for tomorrow. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:00, 21 May 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not a Predecessor ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry, but I really don&#039;t like how we&#039;ve labeled Lonelygirl15 as the &amp;quot;Predecessor to KateModern,&amp;quot; simple because it is &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; a predecessor. A predecessor is defined as something that was the previous holder of the job, or something that was replaced by something else. KateModern is not replacing Lonelygirl15, it&#039;s simply a spinoff. LG15 will continue, along side KM. We need to come up with something different to use here, I just don&#039;t know what. I&#039;ll leave that up to you. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:51, 17 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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[[Image:Lucy&#039;s_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy&#039;s Balcony]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Welcome to &#039;&#039;&#039;Lucy&#039;s Balcony&#039;&#039;&#039;, a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]].  This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns.  To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;section=new click here].  Please remember to sign your posts by typing &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; at the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422&#039;s videos]], I think it&#039;s high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don&#039;t want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that &#039;&#039;aren&#039;t&#039;&#039; enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would &#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039; if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that&#039;s a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told.  Like I think videos that seem to be &amp;quot;going somewhere&amp;quot;... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read.  It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place.  Like, LG422... and GC and such.  Those are the kinds of stories I mean.  However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they&#039;re kind of... response videos.. or videos that don&#039;t really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what&#039;s going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages.  That&#039;s how &#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039; would view it... although I&#039;m not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P  I&#039;d love people&#039;s thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;ve gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.&lt;br /&gt;
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.&lt;br /&gt;
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast&#039;s blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.&lt;br /&gt;
:Don&#039;t get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of &amp;quot;noteworthyness&amp;quot; before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant&#039;s videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don&#039;t have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse. &lt;br /&gt;
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for &amp;quot;GuillotineCalamity&amp;quot;, which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What&#039;s it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than &amp;quot;Transcript incomplete&amp;quot;. Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?&lt;br /&gt;
:Like I said, don&#039;t get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we&#039;re currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don&#039;t interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know exactly &#039;&#039;how&#039;&#039; to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and &#039;&#039;then&#039;&#039; on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I&#039;m concerned he has had &#039;&#039;no&#039;&#039; major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, &#039;&#039;perhaps&#039;&#039; some passing references, but &#039;&#039;that&#039;s nothing special&#039;&#039;. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It&#039;s a one line note, &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; it&#039;s been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it&#039;s late, so I&#039;ll move on.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it&#039;s evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:&lt;br /&gt;
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it&#039;s currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don&#039;t use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.&lt;br /&gt;
:If a template is useless and will most likely &#039;&#039;never&#039;&#039; be used, fine - kill it. But if it&#039;s a useful little thing, why delete it,  just because &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039; nobody is using it?&lt;br /&gt;
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:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it&#039;s currently unwanted, and to restore it if it&#039;s wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it&#039;s being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he&#039;ll need the toys, he&#039;ll get them back out.&lt;br /&gt;
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.&lt;br /&gt;
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - &#039;&#039;we have too much crap lying around here&#039;&#039;. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it&#039;d be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it&#039;d have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It&#039;s two o&#039; clock in the morning, so I&#039;ll stop here. I know I didn&#039;t present any solutions, but maybe it&#039;s better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don&#039;t be shy, and don&#039;t be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we&#039;re talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody&#039;s feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it &amp;quot;my&amp;quot; templates, [[Linsy]]&#039;s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.&lt;br /&gt;
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it&#039;s necessary.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::@Zoey: Hmm, that&#039;s an interesting idea, but I&#039;m not sure it would really work. I don&#039;t think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn&#039;t have video pages just because it has the &amp;quot;story&amp;quot; format that you&#039;re talking about. Similarly, there&#039;s no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn&#039;t have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible &amp;quot;new girl&amp;quot; was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the &amp;quot;notability&amp;quot; factor, but I&#039;m sure we could come up with some method to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone&#039;s work because we either 1) don&#039;t want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It&#039;s a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn&#039;t really being used yet. We&#039;re skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn&#039;t be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it&#039;s done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it&#039;s not necessary or there&#039;s a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.&lt;br /&gt;
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::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can &#039;&#039;fix&#039;&#039; the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn&#039;t that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we&#039;re going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn&#039;t delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I&#039;ll try to explain better if it doesn&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;
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::One final word. You&#039;re right that we&#039;re not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people&#039;s ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I&#039;m so fond of saying, we&#039;re all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; be tolerated, so let&#039;s try to not make that an issue. That said, let&#039;s continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they&#039;re already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set.  Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used.  So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they&#039;re still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don&#039;t need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well).  As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don&#039;t really know...&lt;br /&gt;
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And Renegade, I haven&#039;t been ignoring you.  I&#039;ve been reading everything you say very closely.  The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn&#039;t even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses.  But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn&#039;t piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D&lt;br /&gt;
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain&#039;t I good?): It&#039;s dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we&#039;re discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I&#039;ll try to code/design something and ... &#039;&#039;&#039;Update:&#039;&#039;&#039; I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{LGPedia:Participate}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it&#039;s added, I had to guess for now.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: It&#039;s looking really good.  I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I&#039;m not thinking of ATM.  I&#039;m assuming it doesn&#039;t update automatically though?  So people will have to really be on top of it.  Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*.  I&#039;ll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...&lt;br /&gt;
::And um, yeah, I&#039;m going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that &amp;quot;Renegade&amp;quot; does not know &amp;quot;who the fuck&amp;quot; [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia.  I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as &amp;quot;grade school&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;crap&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;having balls&amp;quot; etc. do not inspire confidence).  My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group.  That is the opposite of what you should be doing.  Add structure?  Absolutely.  Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure.  But don&#039;t delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I&#039;m not sure what the best solution there is).&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important.  That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish.  My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don&#039;t know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry.  That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.&lt;br /&gt;
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:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans.  You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later.  You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors.  First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that&#039;s almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with &amp;quot;chosen randomly, not a personal attack&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?&lt;br /&gt;
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said &amp;quot;Linsy&amp;quot; adds nothing to the Breeniverse.&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.&lt;br /&gt;
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::But, no matter how arrogant you&#039;d like to interpret this, &#039;&#039;reality&#039;&#039; is: The latest vid of that &amp;quot;Linsy&amp;quot; person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it&#039;s a shaky video of her or her character&#039;s birthday &amp;quot;partay&amp;quot;. Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she&#039;s not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it&#039;s had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it&#039;s one line with a sidebar.&lt;br /&gt;
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that&#039;d require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having &#039;&#039;everything&#039;&#039; listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having &#039;&#039;almost everything&#039;&#039; look like crap.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what&#039;s the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let&#039;s say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn&#039;t have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?&lt;br /&gt;
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl&#039;s fanfic blog?&lt;br /&gt;
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::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I&#039;m not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she&#039;s active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she&#039;s a fan with a video alone doesn&#039;t make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl&#039;s birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.&lt;br /&gt;
::&#039;&#039;&#039;Added to reply to addition&#039;&#039;&#039;:&lt;br /&gt;
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We&#039;d have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a &amp;quot;cloud of crap&amp;quot;, so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it&#039;d be a different issue...but people won&#039;t. You can hope and dream all you want, a &amp;quot;lowly&amp;quot; fanfic-video-page just isn&#039;t gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) &#039;&#039;&#039;[Editing conflict resolved]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki.  Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:23, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don&#039;t look quite right in other browsers.  I think we need a standard, either we enforce &amp;quot;Browser Neutrality&amp;quot;, by not allowing any page design that doesn&#039;t look &#039;&#039;&#039;as good&#039;&#039;&#039; in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are &#039;&#039;&#039;optimized&#039;&#039;&#039; to look best in that Browser, &#039;&#039;&#039; but must still look reasonble in all browsers&#039;&#039;&#039;.   Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and  Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them.  all of them have pros and cons:&lt;br /&gt;
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Safari (Webkit) - &lt;br /&gt;
*Pros:  Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.  &lt;br /&gt;
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta, &lt;br /&gt;
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror&lt;br /&gt;
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Internet Explorer (Trident)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pros:  Largest market share,&lt;br /&gt;
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly&lt;br /&gt;
*Other Trident Browsers:  AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon&lt;br /&gt;
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FireFox (Gecko)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pros:  Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.&lt;br /&gt;
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.&lt;br /&gt;
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock&lt;br /&gt;
.  --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Vote Tally&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Browser Neutrality&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
# Support Enforced Browser Neutrality&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Modelmotion|Modelmotion]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]]&lt;br /&gt;
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Official Browser&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]&lt;br /&gt;
# Support Safari as the Official Browser&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]&lt;br /&gt;
# Support IE as the Official Browser&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;This is a non-issue&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
# We currently test LGPedia pages in the main browsers of the day and check their specific rendering results in something that ranges somewhere between OK and excellent in all of them, accepting they will not be identical. For major pages/portals, the standard is higher and must be in the good to excellent range. I vote we continue this policy and not waste time making pages absolutely identical in all browsers or even declare that we care more about one browser than another. I can live with a bit of white space at the bottom of the List Of Videos in IE... it still looks very good overall but not identical to the better fit in Firefox. (Although, Firefox users can change their font settings to produce a variety of different display results that we just can&#039;t second guess.) In the past we have relied on the LGPedia community to spot if a major page falls under the good-to-excellent range in a particular browser and then reacted accordingly. I vote to carry on with this. If you agree, add your name to this list... [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]] 14:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Didn&#039;t we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that&#039;s the only significant difference I remember and see...&lt;br /&gt;
:Of course I&#039;d love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I&#039;d prefer neutrality - &#039;cause I sure as hell won&#039;t develop on IE, and I&#039;m not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality.  As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or &amp;quot;tough luck guys&amp;quot;.  Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it&#039;s fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that.  So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as &amp;quot;differently looking&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the &#039;&#039;main issue&#039;&#039;  for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn&#039;t matter.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you&#039;re doing that alone, missy. :P&lt;br /&gt;
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don&#039;t get confused I&#039;m going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I use all the main browsers with the excepetion of IE (but including Safari and Firefox).  As long as pages are readable on a mac I am happy, but please dont make this a mac vs pc issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:50, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m mainly an IE user, but I&#039;ve also use FireFox as well.  I think the best way to go is browser neutrality, since it wouldn&#039;t be right to force a certain browser on others.  As for that videolist montage, its unmatched with the latest vids from an IE view, but hey, I&#039;m used to it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::no one is talking about forcing people to use a particular browser, having an official browser means that pages &#039;&#039;&#039;that render differently&#039;&#039;&#039; in different browser must optimized for that browser. Currently the list of videos is the page that most renders differently, so saying &amp;quot;I support enforcing browser neutrality, but I don&#039;t care about the list of videos&amp;quot; is saying &amp;quot;I don&#039;t support enforced browser neutrality&amp;quot;. So then we have to pick a browser to &#039;&#039;&#039;optimize the list of videos for &#039;&#039;&#039;, that&#039;s why we would need an official browser. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:56, 9 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Uh, O.K., I see this has kind of been going on for a while, but I want to jump in. I believe that FireFox should be the official LGPedia browser on account that it is cross platform. There are really no literal &amp;quot;system requirements&amp;quot; which is good, because I run Windows 2K and most newer browsers won&#039;t support the OS. I&#039;m not sure if this really effects most of the people on the site, but sometimes it does to me. I don&#039;t care if it is the official browser, but if it is at least optimized for a cross-system browser, I&#039;ll be happy. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 15:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I was hoping that we would have a clearer consensus. from the comments, I&#039;m not 100% convinced that people who voted for enforced browser neutrality really understood what they were voting for. I think we need to give it a few more days, before setting policy.  So how about July 15 Midnight CDT -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:01, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Finally something ending in central time :D but honestly, I am all for the official browser being FireFox. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 02:14, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:More importantly, they probably don&#039;t know that these three rendering engines &#039;&#039;render pages differently&#039;&#039;, and that it&#039;s &#039;&#039;impossible&#039;&#039; to &amp;quot;enforce&amp;quot; browser neutrality. If you consider different line-height reason enough for a re-design already, LGPedia will never ever be able to use anything with width and borders again - simply because of IE&#039;s box model.&lt;br /&gt;
:Again, I reiterate: We should try to get it as close as possible, but trying to enforce the pages look 100% the same is just stupid, because it&#039;s impossible - unless you&#039;re doing nothing more than colored text.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:55, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::the problem isn&#039;t that there are differences, between browsers, the problem is that some designs rely on specific alignments to look correct, and if the browsers render them differently, then it doesn&#039;t look correct in all browsers. On the other hand if one browsers  spaced things at 11 pixels, and another browser spaced things at 13 pixels, if everything still lined up correctly in both browsers, the page wold be considered browse neutral, even though it doesn&#039;t render identically in both browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:13, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Well It looks like Browser Neutrality won out.  I managed to make a Browser Neutral version of the LIst of Videos, and maybe tomorrow I&#039;ll add Browser Neutrality into the style guide.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Congratulations, Misty...you just destroyed half the usability and a good deal of the design of that page just because you didn&#039;t like the line height. Way to go. *thumbs up*&lt;br /&gt;
:Having it look like crap on all browsers is so much better than having it look differently good on each of them.&lt;br /&gt;
:Just look at the fucking mess that is the TOC now - isn&#039;t that so much better than having a real list, people?? *rolleyes*&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is fucking ridiculous. Without the numbering, the page is only a slight bit better than a pure category listing. The lack of numbers also puts all episodes on the same status, meaning early NBR and OpAphid episodes look like they&#039;re just as official as a normal Bree-blog. But hey, the line height is equal everywhere! What&#039;s factual accuracy if it looks the same on all browsers? *rolleyes*&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also highly object to the way this was inserted. The Portal/Main Page switch had to be done by today, as per Creator request. We had no time to consider your sudden uprise after you decided to ignore that project for two weeks, only to start bitching on the last day. That was not the case for a LoV redesign. It would have been perfectly possible to leave this piece of crap in your sandbox for a few days and listen to opinions before you make this horrible abomination our official video list.&lt;br /&gt;
:Now we&#039;re gonna get a flood of bebo-users today who&#039;ll think we&#039;re too stupid to use a list over a billion &amp;amp;lt;br&amp;amp;gt;s.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now tell me, Misty...what is the great advantage we have from equal line heights in FF and IE?&lt;br /&gt;
:What enormous change does the &amp;quot;browser neutrality&amp;quot; of your version bring us that it justifies destroying the main focus and the factual accuracy of the page and turning it into a design- and code nightmare?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: What are you talking about????? First of all the it was decided that the OPaphid and NBR videos are as official as the BDJ videos. And if the numbering is so important to you, add the numbers back in.  The design of the page hasn&#039;t changed very much just the alignment. Maybe you and I, are seeing something different, but besides the line numbers, it doesn&#039;t look that different, other than that things line up correctly. Here&#039;s a screenshot that directly compares my version to the previous one. How is it any more  crap than the old version??? [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;quot;Add Poe Hinder Vilification&amp;quot; is &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; the nineteenth episode of the Lonelygirl15 video series, &amp;quot;An update of sorts&amp;quot; is not the 43th episode, and NBR1 is not the 80th episode - yet that is exactly what your list states. Yes, later episodes have been accepted into canon, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that Miss Me? is the only Op video officially listed as an episode, and it doesn&#039;t change the fact that even Miss Me? was more of an &amp;quot;evil Danielbeast&amp;quot; blog than an actual OpAphid video. Even the video list on the main page, which most definitely is authoritive, lists OpAphid videos as ####&#039;&#039;&#039;b&#039;&#039;&#039;, not as ####+1. It doesn&#039;t matter if you are incapable of seeing how much more crude and less well designed your page looks through your omissions, or if you understand what a horrible faux pas your abuse of &amp;amp;lt;br&amp;amp;gt;s is - the important fact is that your list is just &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;factually wrong&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; and cannot stay that way.&lt;br /&gt;
::And I refuse to fuck up the code even more by manually numbering through and handling 250 forced line breaks when a simple ordered list works fine and the only problem was that one browser has 0.1em more space per line.&lt;br /&gt;
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::There is no justification for this violation. The fact that a page is slightly longer in one browser, without even changing the layout or altering information, cannot possibly be a valid reason to destroy the code, the appearance, and the factual accuracy of a page.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The LGPedia is browser neutral people.  Deal with it, or leave.  Seriously.  It&#039;s not even negotiable.  We&#039;re here for LG, not to promote Mozilla. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::It&#039;s not about promoting Mozilla. It&#039;s about commensurability. If you check the discussion logs for the re-design, you&#039;ll see that we went through great lengths to ensure that the layout looks equal in both browsers. Have you actually checked the &amp;quot;unneutral&amp;quot; version in both browsers? The only difference is that one is slightly longer, because the line height is minimally higher. That&#039;s &#039;&#039;it&#039;&#039;. Nothing more. It&#039;s not even noticable if you don&#039;t know it&#039;s there. And for that tiny, little, insignificant difference, Misty wants to remove the numbering, making the list itself incorrect, remove the list code as a whole, making the code semantically incorrect, and she wants to optically destroy the TOC layout. All because of a little more whitespace.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This is not about &amp;quot;promoting Mozilla&amp;quot; - if that was my goal, I&#039;d have refused to even look at it in IE &#039;&#039;months&#039;&#039; ago. The very fact that it is that similar proves that I&#039;ll go through great lengths to ensure it looks as similar as possible in both browsers, just as the recent re-designs of the main page/portals prove (it&#039;s no coincidence there are several revisions referencing &amp;quot;IE fixes&amp;quot; in the history). This is not about promoting Mozilla. This is about stopping an insane crusade with no basis. There is simply no reason to destroy a perfectly fine page on multiple levels, just because Misty doesn&#039;t like whitespace.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oh, and for the record: I find it rather cheap of you to discard all factual arguments I made and drag this down to a supposed browser evangelism issue. I don&#039;t know if Misty bugged you or if you hold some personal grudge against me, but I made quite clear in my first comment on this issue that I&#039;d of course like FF to be the official browser, but that I do support a &#039;&#039;sane&#039;&#039; neutrality dogma instead.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::But killing pages over slight whitespace differences is not sane.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m all in favour of passive browser neutrality, but not &amp;quot;enforced browser neutrality&amp;quot; if by &amp;quot;enforced&amp;quot; you mean every page must look identical in every browser down to the last pixel. This may put off the average wiki editor from making changes lest they break the policy and get pounced on by the &amp;quot;enforcers&amp;quot;. That is why I voted for the status quo. &lt;br /&gt;
:::::As an aside, this discussion is going the way of others on Lucy&#039;s Balcony in recent times. A bit too much sound &amp;amp; fury which I&#039;ll just put down to everyone&#039;s passion for LG. Let&#039;s tone things down a bit lest Lucy hears us and finds us all squabbling on her balcony. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 14:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::No by enforced I don&#039;t mean identical down to the pixel, all browsers render differently, I mean that making the page lay out in one browser doesn&#039;t throw it off for another. In the case of the list of videos, if the page length in 2 browsers were 300 pixels apart, but the items on the page still lined up that page would be browser neutral. But the reason the list of videos isn&#039;t browser is because, if the list is aligned to the montage in 1 browser, there is an almost a 300 pixel offset in another. The &#039;status&#039; quo you are talking about, means that people can change it back and forth to align for their own browser. I have no problem with choosing 1 browser as the standard for alignment, but the greatest consensus was for making it neutral, so I devoted my whole weekend to figuring out what would work.   -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:04, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Vote to dismiss as non-issue, problem not reproducable under IE 6.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: Okay, I agree.  Non-issue.  Let&#039;s move on. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== A good-bye of sorts ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There have recently been some changes in my real life.  I was unsure what the adjustment would be as far as my time online is concerned.  It has now become obvious to me that I will no longer be able to remain active here at the LGPedia.  I still intend to read it, follow it and even occasionally edit and discuss, but I don&#039;t have the time to faithfully execute the job of administrator.  I&#039;m still immensely proud of having been involved with this wiki for the last 9 months and 3600+ edits, I am immensely proud of the quality of the Wiki and its over 1,000 articles.  But it&#039;s time for me to step aside.  Effective immediately, Zoey will now serve as bureaucrat -- she and [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] will be the only people with the ability to create and remove administrators.  As [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] and I have been inactive for months, I&#039;ll remove our rights.  What happens after that is up to you.  I wish everyone the best going forward. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Bye Jay!!! :(  Definately hope to continue seeing you around, even if it&#039;s not on the LGPedia.  Thanks for all your hard work for so long!  I shall try to do you proud!  *cheesy grin* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:33, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bye man. it was good working with you.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 14:40, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LG15/KM ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This morning I got on the LGPedia for the first time in a while, and found all these changes on the main page and subsequent new main changes. And now, when I browse through articles, I find all this Kate Modern crap mixed in with the Lonelygirl15 information.&lt;br /&gt;
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I get it. Kate Modern -- woohoo, a new project for the Creators, and hopefully it gives them some added income. But do we really have to mix them? I come to the LGPedia to read about... go figure... LG. So why must I see all this stuff about Kate Modern? From what I understand, they&#039;re completely two separate projects.&lt;br /&gt;
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Can&#039;t Kate Modern have their own wiki? I came here for Lonelygirl15, not Kate Modern. The two don&#039;t have anything to do with each other, aside from the same creators, so why would we combine them? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Read [[LGPedia:Lucy&#039;s Balcony/archive#Addition_of_KateModern_to_LGPedia|this page]] for the information regarding inclusion of KateModern in the LGPedia as per the request of [[Miles Beckett]]. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I&#039;d argue this further, but since Miles said it should be done, it seems pointless. Thanks. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:39, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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[[Image:Lucy&#039;s_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy&#039;s Balcony]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Welcome to &#039;&#039;&#039;Lucy&#039;s Balcony&#039;&#039;&#039;, a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]].  This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns.  To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;section=new click here].  Please remember to sign your posts by typing &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; at the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422&#039;s videos]], I think it&#039;s high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don&#039;t want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that &#039;&#039;aren&#039;t&#039;&#039; enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would &#039;&#039;love&#039;&#039; if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that&#039;s a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told.  Like I think videos that seem to be &amp;quot;going somewhere&amp;quot;... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read.  It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place.  Like, LG422... and GC and such.  Those are the kinds of stories I mean.  However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they&#039;re kind of... response videos.. or videos that don&#039;t really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what&#039;s going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages.  That&#039;s how &#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039; would view it... although I&#039;m not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P  I&#039;d love people&#039;s thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;ve gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.&lt;br /&gt;
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.&lt;br /&gt;
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast&#039;s blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.&lt;br /&gt;
:Don&#039;t get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of &amp;quot;noteworthyness&amp;quot; before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant&#039;s videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don&#039;t have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse. &lt;br /&gt;
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for &amp;quot;GuillotineCalamity&amp;quot;, which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What&#039;s it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than &amp;quot;Transcript incomplete&amp;quot;. Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?&lt;br /&gt;
:Like I said, don&#039;t get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we&#039;re currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don&#039;t interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t know exactly &#039;&#039;how&#039;&#039; to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and &#039;&#039;then&#039;&#039; on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I&#039;m concerned he has had &#039;&#039;no&#039;&#039; major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, &#039;&#039;perhaps&#039;&#039; some passing references, but &#039;&#039;that&#039;s nothing special&#039;&#039;. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It&#039;s a one line note, &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; it&#039;s been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it&#039;s late, so I&#039;ll move on.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it&#039;s evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:&lt;br /&gt;
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it&#039;s currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don&#039;t use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.&lt;br /&gt;
:If a template is useless and will most likely &#039;&#039;never&#039;&#039; be used, fine - kill it. But if it&#039;s a useful little thing, why delete it,  just because &#039;&#039;right now&#039;&#039; nobody is using it?&lt;br /&gt;
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:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it&#039;s currently unwanted, and to restore it if it&#039;s wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it&#039;s being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he&#039;ll need the toys, he&#039;ll get them back out.&lt;br /&gt;
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.&lt;br /&gt;
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - &#039;&#039;we have too much crap lying around here&#039;&#039;. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it&#039;d be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it&#039;d have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.&lt;br /&gt;
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:It&#039;s two o&#039; clock in the morning, so I&#039;ll stop here. I know I didn&#039;t present any solutions, but maybe it&#039;s better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don&#039;t be shy, and don&#039;t be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we&#039;re talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody&#039;s feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it &amp;quot;my&amp;quot; templates, [[Linsy]]&#039;s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.&lt;br /&gt;
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it&#039;s necessary.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.&lt;br /&gt;
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::@Zoey: Hmm, that&#039;s an interesting idea, but I&#039;m not sure it would really work. I don&#039;t think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn&#039;t have video pages just because it has the &amp;quot;story&amp;quot; format that you&#039;re talking about. Similarly, there&#039;s no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn&#039;t have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
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::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible &amp;quot;new girl&amp;quot; was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the &amp;quot;notability&amp;quot; factor, but I&#039;m sure we could come up with some method to do so.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone&#039;s work because we either 1) don&#039;t want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It&#039;s a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn&#039;t really being used yet. We&#039;re skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn&#039;t be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it&#039;s done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it&#039;s not necessary or there&#039;s a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.&lt;br /&gt;
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::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that &#039;&#039;if&#039;&#039; a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can &#039;&#039;fix&#039;&#039; the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn&#039;t that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we&#039;re going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn&#039;t delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I&#039;ll try to explain better if it doesn&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;
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::One final word. You&#039;re right that we&#039;re not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people&#039;s ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I&#039;m so fond of saying, we&#039;re all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; be tolerated, so let&#039;s try to not make that an issue. That said, let&#039;s continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they&#039;re already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set.  Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used.  So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they&#039;re still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don&#039;t need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well).  As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don&#039;t really know...&lt;br /&gt;
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And Renegade, I haven&#039;t been ignoring you.  I&#039;ve been reading everything you say very closely.  The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn&#039;t even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses.  But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things.  --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn&#039;t piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D&lt;br /&gt;
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain&#039;t I good?): It&#039;s dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we&#039;re discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I&#039;ll try to code/design something and ... &#039;&#039;&#039;Update:&#039;&#039;&#039; I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{LGPedia:Participate}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it&#039;s added, I had to guess for now.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: It&#039;s looking really good.  I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I&#039;m not thinking of ATM.  I&#039;m assuming it doesn&#039;t update automatically though?  So people will have to really be on top of it.  Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*.  I&#039;ll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...&lt;br /&gt;
::And um, yeah, I&#039;m going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The fact that &amp;quot;Renegade&amp;quot; does not know &amp;quot;who the fuck&amp;quot; [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia.  I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as &amp;quot;grade school&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;crap&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;having balls&amp;quot; etc. do not inspire confidence).  My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group.  That is the opposite of what you should be doing.  Add structure?  Absolutely.  Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure.  But don&#039;t delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I&#039;m not sure what the best solution there is).&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important.  That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish.  My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don&#039;t know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry.  That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.&lt;br /&gt;
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:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans.  You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later.  You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors.  First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that&#039;s almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with &amp;quot;chosen randomly, not a personal attack&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?&lt;br /&gt;
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said &amp;quot;Linsy&amp;quot; adds nothing to the Breeniverse.&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.&lt;br /&gt;
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::But, no matter how arrogant you&#039;d like to interpret this, &#039;&#039;reality&#039;&#039; is: The latest vid of that &amp;quot;Linsy&amp;quot; person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it&#039;s a shaky video of her or her character&#039;s birthday &amp;quot;partay&amp;quot;. Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she&#039;s not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it&#039;s had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it&#039;s one line with a sidebar.&lt;br /&gt;
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that&#039;d require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having &#039;&#039;everything&#039;&#039; listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having &#039;&#039;almost everything&#039;&#039; look like crap.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what&#039;s the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let&#039;s say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn&#039;t have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?&lt;br /&gt;
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl&#039;s fanfic blog?&lt;br /&gt;
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::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I&#039;m not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she&#039;s active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she&#039;s a fan with a video alone doesn&#039;t make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.&lt;br /&gt;
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl&#039;s birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.&lt;br /&gt;
::&#039;&#039;&#039;Added to reply to addition&#039;&#039;&#039;:&lt;br /&gt;
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We&#039;d have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a &amp;quot;cloud of crap&amp;quot;, so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it&#039;d be a different issue...but people won&#039;t. You can hope and dream all you want, a &amp;quot;lowly&amp;quot; fanfic-video-page just isn&#039;t gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) &#039;&#039;&#039;[Editing conflict resolved]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki.  Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:23, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don&#039;t look quite right in other browsers.  I think we need a standard, either we enforce &amp;quot;Browser Neutrality&amp;quot;, by not allowing any page design that doesn&#039;t look &#039;&#039;&#039;as good&#039;&#039;&#039; in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are &#039;&#039;&#039;optimized&#039;&#039;&#039; to look best in that Browser, &#039;&#039;&#039; but must still look reasonble in all browsers&#039;&#039;&#039;.   Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and  Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them.  all of them have pros and cons:&lt;br /&gt;
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Safari (Webkit) - &lt;br /&gt;
*Pros:  Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.  &lt;br /&gt;
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta, &lt;br /&gt;
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror&lt;br /&gt;
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Internet Explorer (Trident)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pros:  Largest market share,&lt;br /&gt;
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly&lt;br /&gt;
*Other Trident Browsers:  AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon&lt;br /&gt;
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FireFox (Gecko)&lt;br /&gt;
*Pros:  Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.&lt;br /&gt;
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.&lt;br /&gt;
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock&lt;br /&gt;
.  --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&#039;&#039;&#039;Vote Tally&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Browser Neutrality&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
# Support Enforced Browser Neutrality&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Modelmotion|Modelmotion]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]]&lt;br /&gt;
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Official Browser&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:-R-|-R-]]&lt;br /&gt;
# Support Safari as the Official Browser&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]&lt;br /&gt;
# Support IE as the Official Browser&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;This is a non-issue&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
# We currently test LGPedia pages in the main browsers of the day and check their specific rendering results in something that ranges somewhere between OK and excellent in all of them, accepting they will not be identical. For major pages/portals, the standard is higher and must be in the good to excellent range. I vote we continue this policy and not waste time making pages absolutely identical in all browsers or even declare that we care more about one browser than another. I can live with a bit of white space at the bottom of the List Of Videos in IE... it still looks very good overall but not identical to the better fit in Firefox. (Although, Firefox users can change their font settings to produce a variety of different display results that we just can&#039;t second guess.) In the past we have relied on the LGPedia community to spot if a major page falls under the good-to-excellent range in a particular browser and then reacted accordingly. I vote to carry on with this. If you agree, add your name to this list... [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] &lt;br /&gt;
## [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]] 14:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Didn&#039;t we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that&#039;s the only significant difference I remember and see...&lt;br /&gt;
:Of course I&#039;d love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I&#039;d prefer neutrality - &#039;cause I sure as hell won&#039;t develop on IE, and I&#039;m not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality.  As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or &amp;quot;tough luck guys&amp;quot;.  Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it&#039;s fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as &amp;quot;official&amp;quot;, there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that.  So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as &amp;quot;differently looking&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.&lt;br /&gt;
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the &#039;&#039;main issue&#039;&#039;  for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn&#039;t matter.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you&#039;re doing that alone, missy. :P&lt;br /&gt;
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don&#039;t get confused I&#039;m going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I use all the main browsers with the excepetion of IE (but including Safari and Firefox).  As long as pages are readable on a mac I am happy, but please dont make this a mac vs pc issue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:50, 8 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m mainly an IE user, but I&#039;ve also use FireFox as well.  I think the best way to go is browser neutrality, since it wouldn&#039;t be right to force a certain browser on others.  As for that videolist montage, its unmatched with the latest vids from an IE view, but hey, I&#039;m used to it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::no one is talking about forcing people to use a particular browser, having an official browser means that pages &#039;&#039;&#039;that render differently&#039;&#039;&#039; in different browser must optimized for that browser. Currently the list of videos is the page that most renders differently, so saying &amp;quot;I support enforcing browser neutrality, but I don&#039;t care about the list of videos&amp;quot; is saying &amp;quot;I don&#039;t support enforced browser neutrality&amp;quot;. So then we have to pick a browser to &#039;&#039;&#039;optimize the list of videos for &#039;&#039;&#039;, that&#039;s why we would need an official browser. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:56, 9 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Uh, O.K., I see this has kind of been going on for a while, but I want to jump in. I believe that FireFox should be the official LGPedia browser on account that it is cross platform. There are really no literal &amp;quot;system requirements&amp;quot; which is good, because I run Windows 2K and most newer browsers won&#039;t support the OS. I&#039;m not sure if this really effects most of the people on the site, but sometimes it does to me. I don&#039;t care if it is the official browser, but if it is at least optimized for a cross-system browser, I&#039;ll be happy. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 15:50, 10 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well I was hoping that we would have a clearer consensus. from the comments, I&#039;m not 100% convinced that people who voted for enforced browser neutrality really understood what they were voting for. I think we need to give it a few more days, before setting policy.  So how about July 15 Midnight CDT -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:01, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Finally something ending in central time :D but honestly, I am all for the official browser being FireFox. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 02:14, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:More importantly, they probably don&#039;t know that these three rendering engines &#039;&#039;render pages differently&#039;&#039;, and that it&#039;s &#039;&#039;impossible&#039;&#039; to &amp;quot;enforce&amp;quot; browser neutrality. If you consider different line-height reason enough for a re-design already, LGPedia will never ever be able to use anything with width and borders again - simply because of IE&#039;s box model.&lt;br /&gt;
:Again, I reiterate: We should try to get it as close as possible, but trying to enforce the pages look 100% the same is just stupid, because it&#039;s impossible - unless you&#039;re doing nothing more than colored text.&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:55, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::the problem isn&#039;t that there are differences, between browsers, the problem is that some designs rely on specific alignments to look correct, and if the browsers render them differently, then it doesn&#039;t look correct in all browsers. On the other hand if one browsers  spaced things at 11 pixels, and another browser spaced things at 13 pixels, if everything still lined up correctly in both browsers, the page wold be considered browse neutral, even though it doesn&#039;t render identically in both browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:13, 15 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
Well It looks like Browser Neutrality won out.  I managed to make a Browser Neutral version of the LIst of Videos, and maybe tomorrow I&#039;ll add Browser Neutrality into the style guide.  -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Congratulations, Misty...you just destroyed half the usability and a good deal of the design of that page just because you didn&#039;t like the line height. Way to go. *thumbs up*&lt;br /&gt;
:Having it look like crap on all browsers is so much better than having it look differently good on each of them.&lt;br /&gt;
:Just look at the fucking mess that is the TOC now - isn&#039;t that so much better than having a real list, people?? *rolleyes*&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is fucking ridiculous. Without the numbering, the page is only a slight bit better than a pure category listing. The lack of numbers also puts all episodes on the same status, meaning early NBR and OpAphid episodes look like they&#039;re just as official as a normal Bree-blog. But hey, the line height is equal everywhere! What&#039;s factual accuracy if it looks the same on all browsers? *rolleyes*&lt;br /&gt;
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:I also highly object to the way this was inserted. The Portal/Main Page switch had to be done by today, as per Creator request. We had no time to consider your sudden uprise after you decided to ignore that project for two weeks, only to start bitching on the last day. That was not the case for a LoV redesign. It would have been perfectly possible to leave this piece of crap in your sandbox for a few days and listen to opinions before you make this horrible abomination our official video list.&lt;br /&gt;
:Now we&#039;re gonna get a flood of bebo-users today who&#039;ll think we&#039;re too stupid to use a list over a billion &amp;amp;lt;br&amp;amp;gt;s.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Now tell me, Misty...what is the great advantage we have from equal line heights in FF and IE?&lt;br /&gt;
:What enormous change does the &amp;quot;browser neutrality&amp;quot; of your version bring us that it justifies destroying the main focus and the factual accuracy of the page and turning it into a design- and code nightmare?&lt;br /&gt;
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:22, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: What are you talking about????? First of all the it was decided that the OPaphid and NBR videos are as official as the BDJ videos. And if the numbering is so important to you, add the numbers back in.  The design of the page hasn&#039;t changed very much just the alignment. Maybe you and I, are seeing something different, but besides the line numbers, it doesn&#039;t look that different, other than that things line up correctly. Here&#039;s a screenshot that directly compares my version to the previous one. How is it any more  crap than the old version??? [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&amp;quot;Add Poe Hinder Vilification&amp;quot; is &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; the nineteenth episode of the Lonelygirl15 video series, &amp;quot;An update of sorts&amp;quot; is not the 43th episode, and NBR1 is not the 80th episode - yet that is exactly what your list states. Yes, later episodes have been accepted into canon, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that Miss Me? is the only Op video officially listed as an episode, and it doesn&#039;t change the fact that even Miss Me? was more of an &amp;quot;evil Danielbeast&amp;quot; blog than an actual OpAphid video. Even the video list on the main page, which most definitely is authoritive, lists OpAphid videos as ####&#039;&#039;&#039;b&#039;&#039;&#039;, not as ####+1. It doesn&#039;t matter if you are incapable of seeing how much more crude and less well designed your page looks through your omissions, or if you understand what a horrible faux pas your abuse of &amp;amp;lt;br&amp;amp;gt;s is - the important fact is that your list is just &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;factually wrong&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; and cannot stay that way.&lt;br /&gt;
::And I refuse to fuck up the code even more by manually numbering through and handling 250 forced line breaks when a simple ordered list works fine and the only problem was that one browser has 0.1em more space per line.&lt;br /&gt;
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::There is no justification for this violation. The fact that a page is slightly longer in one browser, without even changing the layout or altering information, cannot possibly be a valid reason to destroy the code, the appearance, and the factual accuracy of a page.&lt;br /&gt;
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: The LGPedia is browser neutral people.  Deal with it, or leave.  Seriously.  It&#039;s not even negotiable.  We&#039;re here for LG, not to promote Mozilla. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::It&#039;s not about promoting Mozilla. It&#039;s about commensurability. If you check the discussion logs for the re-design, you&#039;ll see that we went through great lengths to ensure that the layout looks equal in both browsers. Have you actually checked the &amp;quot;unneutral&amp;quot; version in both browsers? The only difference is that one is slightly longer, because the line height is minimally higher. That&#039;s &#039;&#039;it&#039;&#039;. Nothing more. It&#039;s not even noticable if you don&#039;t know it&#039;s there. And for that tiny, little, insignificant difference, Misty wants to remove the numbering, making the list itself incorrect, remove the list code as a whole, making the code semantically incorrect, and she wants to optically destroy the TOC layout. All because of a little more whitespace.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This is not about &amp;quot;promoting Mozilla&amp;quot; - if that was my goal, I&#039;d have refused to even look at it in IE &#039;&#039;months&#039;&#039; ago. The very fact that it is that similar proves that I&#039;ll go through great lengths to ensure it looks as similar as possible in both browsers, just as the recent re-designs of the main page/portals prove (it&#039;s no coincidence there are several revisions referencing &amp;quot;IE fixes&amp;quot; in the history). This is not about promoting Mozilla. This is about stopping an insane crusade with no basis. There is simply no reason to destroy a perfectly fine page on multiple levels, just because Misty doesn&#039;t like whitespace.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oh, and for the record: I find it rather cheap of you to discard all factual arguments I made and drag this down to a supposed browser evangelism issue. I don&#039;t know if Misty bugged you or if you hold some personal grudge against me, but I made quite clear in my first comment on this issue that I&#039;d of course like FF to be the official browser, but that I do support a &#039;&#039;sane&#039;&#039; neutrality dogma instead.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::But killing pages over slight whitespace differences is not sane.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I&#039;m all in favour of passive browser neutrality, but not &amp;quot;enforced browser neutrality&amp;quot; if by &amp;quot;enforced&amp;quot; you mean every page must look identical in every browser down to the last pixel. This may put off the average wiki editor from making changes lest they break the policy and get pounced on by the &amp;quot;enforcers&amp;quot;. That is why I voted for the status quo. &lt;br /&gt;
:::::As an aside, this discussion is going the way of others on Lucy&#039;s Balcony in recent times. A bit too much sound &amp;amp; fury which I&#039;ll just put down to everyone&#039;s passion for LG. Let&#039;s tone things down a bit lest Lucy hears us and finds us all squabbling on her balcony. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 14:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::No by enforced I don&#039;t mean identical down to the pixel, all browsers render differently, I mean that making the page lay out in one browser doesn&#039;t throw it off for another. In the case of the list of videos, if the page length in 2 browsers were 300 pixels apart, but the items on the page still lined up that page would be browser neutral. But the reason the list of videos isn&#039;t browser is because, if the list is aligned to the montage in 1 browser, there is an almost a 300 pixel offset in another. The &#039;status&#039; quo you are talking about, means that people can change it back and forth to align for their own browser. I have no problem with choosing 1 browser as the standard for alignment, but the greatest consensus was for making it neutral, so I devoted my whole weekend to figuring out what would work.   -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:04, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::&#039;&#039;&#039;Vote to dismiss as non-issue, problem not reproducable under IE 6.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: Okay, I agree.  Non-issue.  Let&#039;s move on. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:19, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== A good-bye of sorts ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There have recently been some changes in my real life.  I was unsure what the adjustment would be as far as my time online is concerned.  It has now become obvious to me that I will no longer be able to remain active here at the LGPedia.  I still intend to read it, follow it and even occasionally edit and discuss, but I don&#039;t have the time to faithfully execute the job of administrator.  I&#039;m still immensely proud of having been involved with this wiki for the last 9 months and 3600+ edits, I am immensely proud of the quality of the Wiki and its over 1,000 articles.  But it&#039;s time for me to step aside.  Effective immediately, Zoey will now serve as bureaucrat -- she and [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] will be the only people with the ability to create and remove administrators.  As [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] and I have been inactive for months, I&#039;ll remove our rights.  What happens after that is up to you.  I wish everyone the best going forward. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:21, 11 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Bye Jay!!! :(  Definately hope to continue seeing you around, even if it&#039;s not on the LGPedia.  Thanks for all your hard work for so long!  I shall try to do you proud!  *cheesy grin* --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:33, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Bye man. it was good working with you.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 14:40, 12 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== LG15/KM ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This morning I got on the LGPedia for the first time in a while, and found all these changes on the main page and subsequent new main changes. And now, when I browse through articles, I find all this Kate Modern crap mixed in with the Lonelygirl15 information.&lt;br /&gt;
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I get it. Kate Modern -- woohoo, a new project for the Creators, and hopefully it gives them some added income. But do we really have to mix them? I come to the LGPedia to read about... go figure... LG. So why must I see all this stuff about Kate Modern? From what I understand, they&#039;re completely two separate projects.&lt;br /&gt;
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Can&#039;t Kate Modern have their own wiki? I came here for Lonelygirl15, not Kate Modern. The two don&#039;t have anything to do with each other, aside from the same creators, so why would we combine them? [[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Aiding and Abetting</title>
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		<updated>2007-05-11T02:59:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Added private note.&lt;/p&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Okay, so I&#039;ve got to be honest with everyone right now.  I am so, SO sick of this.  We found Julia last night, and she was cowering behind a building.  Not exactly the most savvy escape artist in the world, but I mean, who can blame her.  She&#039;s a scared little girl, you know?  The thing is... the thing that&#039;s really bothering me is I think that Bree&#039;s judgement is a little clouded in this case.  Look, we came down here to help this girl, and the truth is, she legitimately doesn&#039;t want our help.  You know, and all the coaxing in the world isn&#039;t going to help that.  It&#039;s not going to change anything.  I think at this point, the best thing for us to do is to just to cut our losses and just go home.  I really just want to go home.  I guess what&#039;s changed for me is now I know there&#039;s a chance [[Jonas&#039;s parents|my parents]] might be alive.  It might be selfish, but I really just want to focus all my energy on that.  Bree and Daniel, they&#039;ve been really supportive and really cool about it, but you know what, in my humble opinion, this might sound bad, but we spent all of our time down here helping some girl who doesn&#039;t even want our help.  And to me, that&#039;s just a colossal waste of time.  And especially when I could have been spending this time searching for my parents.  It&#039;s such a waste of time!  And I feel torn, because I feel selfish for saying that.  And I don&#039;t know how much longer I can keep doing this.&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; When my parents died, I uh had all these little games and things I would do to try to distract myself.  Take my mind off it.  And one of them was skating (&#039;&#039;Holds up his skateboard.&#039;&#039;)  The reason I contacted Bree and started this whole thing was, I really felt like we have similar journeys.  And, I still do.  But look, when something isn&#039;t working, I&#039;m a firm believer in trying something new.  That makes sense, right?  I&#039;m just not sure that bringin&#039; down [[the Order]] is really my thing anymore.  I&#039;m burned out, I&#039;m tired.  I just want to go home.  And I don&#039;t think that&#039;s unreasonable.  I&#039;m frustrated.  You know what, I&#039;m just going to skate.  I&#039;m just going to skate and clear my head and figure this out. &lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>List of New Girl Candidates</title>
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		<updated>2007-04-28T21:55:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Cleaned up introduction.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Under the duress of Jonas&#039;s gun, Alex made the comment that Bree was no longer needed for the ceremony. Although she could be bluffing, it is quite possible that [[The Order]] has given up on Bree. This means, however, that The Order may be looking for a new girl to take Bree&#039;s place. Here is a list of possible &#039;&#039;&#039;New Girl Candidates&#039;&#039;&#039; and links to their videos and profiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Girls==&lt;br /&gt;
===aaalondra===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Aaalondra.jpg|thumb|right|200px|aaalondra aka Alondra]]&lt;br /&gt;
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**{{youtube|SsFkGb0lVdw|A Video About Myself}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9160|A Video About Myself}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Betz28===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Betz28.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Betz28 aka Betsy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=betz28 Profile] {{myspace|betz32|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|8prcn-dH6IA|Hello Forum Friends}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9113|Hello Forum Friends}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[[callmejules24]]===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:CallMeJules.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Callmejules24 aka Jules]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[callmejules24]] was mentioned in Nikki Bower&#039;s and Bree&#039;s videos.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=callmejules24 Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
{{myspace|callmejules24|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Call Me Jules]] ({{youtube|VA2wrfWswJ8|watch}})&lt;br /&gt;
**[[He&#039;s a monster, I promise!!]] ({{youtube|7PJ7sbSDnXQ|watch}})&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Field Trip]] ({{youtube|MhTQActMbdA|watch}})&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Mi Escuela]] ({{youtube||watch}})&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8899|General}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8910|Call Me Jules}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8911|He&#039;s a monster, I promise!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9167|Field Trip}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9445|Mi Escuela}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===chrysplanet===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Chrysandra.jpg|thumb|right|200px|chrysplanet aka Chrysandra aka Chrys]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=chrysplanet Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
{{myspace|chrysandraplanet|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|WyRcn1QRvKE|The Boring Video!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|fYiqQ14EopE|News and Quiet Crickets}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|Is7vQR3c77E|Earth Day In 12 Seconds}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|orm0ewpE2ok|Dear Old Dad}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|iXzoB-zR_tM|Am I Your Ruca?}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9036|The Boring Video!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9097|News and Quiet Crickets}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9298|Dear Old Dad}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9350|Am I Your Ruca?}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Emilyoats===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Emilyoats.JPG|thumb|right|200px|emilyoats aka Emily]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://one.revver.com/account/show/emilyoats Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|239022|I&#039;m Emily. :)}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===flowersonmyhat===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Flowersonmyhat.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Flowersonmyhat aka Allison]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=flowersonmyhat Profile]  &lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|rkHf-mo4HHk|School}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|qnmJBgseXz4|A pretty computer geek...}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|y6Pa-3kVCZw|My mom took me out of school...}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9322|Flowersonmyhat is...}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===horrorlass===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Horrorlass Daymare My First Vlog.JPG|thumb|right|200px|horrorlass aka Alessandra]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=horrorlass Profile]  {{myspace|horrorlass|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|aoMrgVMr88Y|Daymare - My first Vlog!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|UMdVPbDpcBA|Horror Movies vs Horror Films...}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8991|Daymare - My first Vlog!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9335|Horror Movies vs Horror Films...}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Hymnofone===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:I&#039;m_a_little_less_moody_hymn_of_one.JPG|thumb|right|200px|hymnofone (on revver) aka Cassandra]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://one.revver.com/account/show/hymnofone Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|238058|I&#039;m that new girl.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|240307|I&#039;m a little less moody.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|241602|Gemma was nice.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|242483|They see all.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|243463|Freedom. Not Alex.. Trust.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|244947|Escape Attempt.}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8951|I&#039;m that new girl.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9108|I&#039;m a little less moody.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9114|Gemma was nice.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9132|They see all.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9213|Freedom. Not Alex.. Trust.}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9345|Escape Attempt.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===lostgrl17===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lostgrl17_Hi_I&#039;m_Li.JPG|thumb|right|200px|lostgrl17 aka Liandra aka Li]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=lostgrl17 Profile] {{myspace|lostliandra| Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|g_RSoopgqz8&amp;amp;NR=1|Hi I&#039;m Li!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|_whTHR76KNk|Yes, it&#039;s a REAL religion!}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9065|Hi I&#039;m Li!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9226|Yes, it&#039;s a REAL religion!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===LucaSambuca87===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LucaSambuca87_What_Happened.JPG|thumb|right|200px|LucaSambuca87 aka Luca]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LucaSambuca87 Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|84bnRFbWQEg|Life and Times of Luca}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|uoW-7Ba61jo|400 People?}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|hv8KgIevm4I&amp;amp;mode=user&amp;amp;search=|My Crooked Mouth}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|PtCBYQ3Lb_g|No Pills for Luca}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|yG-m4FRzWKc|Resistance 7?}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|6wBwjIE4dWg|What Happened}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|sLUqmVX4WCo|The Rest of It}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|51P1gJ48fX8|A Little Info}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|GJTYQ8sXVm4|In Need of Advice}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9048|Resistance 7?}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===ponyprincess72===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ponyprincess72_Just_wanted_to_say_hi.JPG|thumb|right|200px|ponyprincess72 aka Jamie]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=ponyprincess72 Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
{{myspace|ponyprincess72|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|lQ-2Knx_spk|Just wanted to say hi!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|oyr4Rb02H1g|So much exciting news!!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8965|Just wanted to say hi!}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9003|So much exciting news!!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
===rejected92===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Rejected92ScaredOfNeedles.jpg|thumb|right|200px|rejected92 aka Alana]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rejected92 Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
{{myspace|rejected92|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos &lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|1SPM-o-gF8M|Hi guys}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|6Ic1per75r8|Scared Of Needles}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|NzTUiQk7hsY|They&#039;re After Me}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|z4KHPKa392M|Hard Times}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|IYYSM_s0F_g|Interview}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|2SqCNSsox8Y|Watching}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|oYEV8T5WOFo|Saturn}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9045|Hi guys}} &lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9096|Scared Of Needles}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9158|They&#039;re After Me}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9173|Hard Times}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9288|Interview}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|323062|Watching}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9332|Saturn}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===schneidz124===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:schneidz124.jpg|thumb|200px|schneidz124 aka Kelsey]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=schneidz124 Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|1vnlCq6CY2I|Pick Me!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9162|Pick Me!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===[[Soccerstar|soccerstar]]===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Soccerstar|soccerstar]] was mentioned in Bree&#039;s videos.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Soccerstar_Practice_Sucked.JPG|thumb|200px|soccerstar aka Taylor]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://one.revver.com/account/show/soccerstar Profile] {{myspace|soccerstar_4ever|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|235047|First Video (I know, lame title)}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|240274|Practice Sucked :(}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|247689|I Recognize Her!}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8814|General}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8804|First Video (I know, lame title)}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9073|Practice Sucked :(}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9364|I Recognize Her!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===TwinklyDiamonds===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Cocky_chandra.jpg|thumb|200px|TwinklyDiamonds aka Chandra]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TwinklyDiamonds Profile] {{myspace|TwinklyDiamonds|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|zwTosg24Z0g|Yeah...}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{revver|247539|&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;Lipgloss + Blush = POWER&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9225|Yeah...}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9382|&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;Lipgloss + Blush = POWER&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br clear=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Others==&lt;br /&gt;
===TheChosenFlock===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TheChosenFlock.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Chosen Flock]]&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheChosenFlock Profile]&lt;br /&gt;
{{myspace|thechosenflock|Myspace}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Videos&lt;br /&gt;
**{{youtube|64ThivccAOc|Many are called...}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Threads&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|9063|Many are called... }}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{forum|8989|Myspace}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&amp;diff=36006</id>
		<title>Talk:Main Page</title>
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		<updated>2007-04-15T03:11:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: /* Video Descriptions */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;We&#039;ve had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here.  For now, only registered users can leave comments here.  If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it&#039;s fast, easy, fun and free.  Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User_talk:JayHenry|JayHenry]] or [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Talk Archive for Main Page ==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive of character box discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Features==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anybody else think that the featured article should be at the top of the page?  Maybe somebody could try making the top header smaller and sticking it to above the table and using the white space above Latest Developments for the featured article.  I hope that makes sense, I tried to visualize it.  Just a thought. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:25, 25 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alex to migrate to main page? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this has already been debated, but I think that Alex should be moved to the Main Page very soon.&lt;br /&gt;
Some people have said she shouldn&#039;t because she&#039;s not a blogger like Bree, Daniel, Gemma and Jonas; I still consider her a main character. No one ever really said that all main characters have to be bloggers...&lt;br /&gt;
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No i don&#039;t believe that she should, Because the main characters on the main page, are in all or most of the videos and shes not in that many, I think that it would just be safe to keep her in the supporting characters section, unless she becomes a character that should be put on the main page. &lt;br /&gt;
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But thats my personal opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, I say we should give it another two or three weeks, &#039;&#039;then&#039;&#039; decide.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]&lt;br /&gt;
: In my opinion we should change the title from &amp;quot;Main Charcters&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Bloggers&amp;quot; to try and avoid this confussion, because you can argue forever as to what constitutes a main character, as seen above in the &amp;quot;Gemma&amp;quot; section, with people thinking Bree&#039;s Parents should be in there. I think we should go down the route of simplicity and have it as bloggers, since these are the charcters we are connected to, since we see it through there point of view. Just my opinion. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:22, 6 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: in my opinion, there are no &amp;quot;bloggers&amp;quot; anymore. the &amp;quot;Blogs&amp;quot; have just become plot points, which are posted as episodes of the lonelygirl15 series, under the lonelygirl15 productions&#039; account on revver and youtube-[[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:34, 6 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s true that they are not blogs in the traditional sense (hehe, it&#039;s funny using the word traditional about blogs, anyway back to my point) but I cannot think of a better word. Thinking about it &amp;quot;Episodes of the lonelygirl15 series&amp;quot; is all they ever have been, done in blog form or not. Anyway I think that Alex should not be there, and the title should be changed to Bloggers, since the Teen Angst Adventure Gang are still the only individuals who post videos (the order and all it&#039;s factions discounted) and they are the people who give us the plot, Aunt Alex is part of the plot but BDJ &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; the plot. Anyway just my opinions, apologies for the long and ramblingness of them. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:58, 6 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think that if Alex is the topic of another post or two, then she should be added to the list of main characters.--[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 11:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Lets see if Alex goes with them, when they leave mexico, if she does, then I agree, put her on the front page -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:34, 9 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I think maybe it&#039;s time for Alex to hit the main page - she posted her first blog. Yes, I know it&#039;s officially a DB vid but it&#039;s still technically by Alex. All Daniel really did was hold the camera :P&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone else agree that she should now be moved?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]&lt;br /&gt;
: In theory I agree with you, but I think it&#039;s still premature.  It&#039;s possible that BD&amp;amp;J, will take off, and that will be the last we hear from Alex. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:39, 11 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not sure I understand the obsession with moving Alex to the main page.  It&#039;s not you personally, AccordianGuy--people have been anticipating this since the [[Uncle Dan]] days.  I think it&#039;s a little premature and we should give the character a chance to really become &amp;quot;main&amp;quot; before adding her.  In the meantime, though, if you feel like searching for some nice picture of her that we can use, you can go ahead and do so.  You can post them here for others to chime in on which they like.  We&#039;ll need to pick an image before adding her anyway, so might as well get a start.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:56, 11 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well given this latest video It doesn&#039;t look likely tha alex is gonna become a main character -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bree&#039;s new picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
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what video is Bree&#039;s new picture from? &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] ([[User talk:Garfwog|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Garfwog|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[Snow Angels]].--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:54, 12 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== NBR on main page? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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JayHenry put  Nikki Bowers latest video on the back on th main page, after I deleted it .   I thhought that the main page and the video list were only supposed to include canon videos.  on the list of videos talk it was decided that even the tachyon and brother videos don&#039;t belong. So can we get clear criteria as far as what gets included and what doesn&#039;t -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:01, 12 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I added it following the conversation at [[Talk:Following the Drugs!! - NBR Investigates]].  Nikki&#039;s video is included because it&#039;s difficult to understand the series without it.  The [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] reflects those videos that appear on the left sidebar of lonelygirl15.com.  But the Main Page does not follow this same guideline.  Indeed, we always added Tachyon and Brother videos to the main page. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:16, 12 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Video Descriptions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, as this seems slightly better: have we ever considered writing our own descriptions to the new videos instead of copying and pasting the ones used when the videos are posted to Revver? We could make these descriptions shorter and more useful. When the videos are posted, they usually don&#039;t summarize the video because why would Bree, etc. tell you exactly what the video was about before you watched it? For an encyclopedia, however, it seems better to summarize. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 20:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, I seem to remember that we decided that writing our own descriptions would be better. Just most of the time no one does probably because it&#039;s easier to just copy/paste the description from the video. If you (or anyone) wants to start writing better descriptions, then go for it as far as I&#039;m concerned.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:30, 14 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well, I changed them. However, I&#039;m  not sure if I like them or not -- so if anyone has any improvements/re-writes which would make them better, please add them! I think they&#039;re slightly longer than the original descriptions, which is bad in my opinion, since I already think the right column is too long. Anyways, if you guys totally don&#039;t like them feel free to revert. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:11, 14 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Main Page</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Changed descriptions as discussed on Talk:Main page&lt;/p&gt;
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[[Image:Lazyeye.jpg|Who&#039;s that girl?|100px|left]] &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|The Hunt for Bree]]&#039;&#039;&#039; &amp;amp;mdash; before [[Jessica Lee Rose]] was on Jay Leno, before [[the Creators]], before the [[Alternate Reality Game|ARGs]], there was a girl in her bedroom named [[Bree]], and an army of fans [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|searching for her true identity]].  This is the story of that hunt.&lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = Alex takes the trio to the beach where they have a great time, until some unexpected guests arrive and Jonas pulls a gun.&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=228 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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|faction      = THE RESISTANCE&lt;br /&gt;
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|blogger      = Nikki Bower&lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = After Nikki reveals to us that OpAphid, Tachyon, and Brother are missing, she finds drugs in an empty warehouse, which leads her to a motel room where drug paraphernalia and an interesting text message is found. &lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = After Jonas becomes sick of watching how close Daniel and Alex have become, he takes Bree into town where Bree explains the history of the area they are staying in.&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=227 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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|name         = Apology Accepted?&lt;br /&gt;
|blogger      = Daniel&lt;br /&gt;
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|description  = Daniel helps Alex record a video where she explains her past and how she became involved with The Order.&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=226 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<updated>2007-04-15T01:39:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Video Descriptions&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;We&#039;ve had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here.  For now, only registered users can leave comments here.  If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it&#039;s fast, easy, fun and free.  Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User_talk:JayHenry|JayHenry]] or [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Features==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anybody else think that the featured article should be at the top of the page?  Maybe somebody could try making the top header smaller and sticking it to above the table and using the white space above Latest Developments for the featured article.  I hope that makes sense, I tried to visualize it.  Just a thought. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:25, 25 March 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alex to migrate to main page? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I know this has already been debated, but I think that Alex should be moved to the Main Page very soon.&lt;br /&gt;
Some people have said she shouldn&#039;t because she&#039;s not a blogger like Bree, Daniel, Gemma and Jonas; I still consider her a main character. No one ever really said that all main characters have to be bloggers...&lt;br /&gt;
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No i don&#039;t believe that she should, Because the main characters on the main page, are in all or most of the videos and shes not in that many, I think that it would just be safe to keep her in the supporting characters section, unless she becomes a character that should be put on the main page. &lt;br /&gt;
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But thats my personal opinion.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Well, I say we should give it another two or three weeks, &#039;&#039;then&#039;&#039; decide.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]&lt;br /&gt;
: In my opinion we should change the title from &amp;quot;Main Charcters&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;Bloggers&amp;quot; to try and avoid this confussion, because you can argue forever as to what constitutes a main character, as seen above in the &amp;quot;Gemma&amp;quot; section, with people thinking Bree&#039;s Parents should be in there. I think we should go down the route of simplicity and have it as bloggers, since these are the charcters we are connected to, since we see it through there point of view. Just my opinion. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:22, 6 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: in my opinion, there are no &amp;quot;bloggers&amp;quot; anymore. the &amp;quot;Blogs&amp;quot; have just become plot points, which are posted as episodes of the lonelygirl15 series, under the lonelygirl15 productions&#039; account on revver and youtube-[[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:34, 6 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s true that they are not blogs in the traditional sense (hehe, it&#039;s funny using the word traditional about blogs, anyway back to my point) but I cannot think of a better word. Thinking about it &amp;quot;Episodes of the lonelygirl15 series&amp;quot; is all they ever have been, done in blog form or not. Anyway I think that Alex should not be there, and the title should be changed to Bloggers, since the Teen Angst Adventure Gang are still the only individuals who post videos (the order and all it&#039;s factions discounted) and they are the people who give us the plot, Aunt Alex is part of the plot but BDJ &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; the plot. Anyway just my opinions, apologies for the long and ramblingness of them. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:58, 6 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think that if Alex is the topic of another post or two, then she should be added to the list of main characters.--[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 11:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Lets see if Alex goes with them, when they leave mexico, if she does, then I agree, put her on the front page -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:34, 9 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Okay, I think maybe it&#039;s time for Alex to hit the main page - she posted her first blog. Yes, I know it&#039;s officially a DB vid but it&#039;s still technically by Alex. All Daniel really did was hold the camera :P&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone else agree that she should now be moved?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]&lt;br /&gt;
: In theory I agree with you, but I think it&#039;s still premature.  It&#039;s possible that BD&amp;amp;J, will take off, and that will be the last we hear from Alex. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:39, 11 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not sure I understand the obsession with moving Alex to the main page.  It&#039;s not you personally, AccordianGuy--people have been anticipating this since the [[Uncle Dan]] days.  I think it&#039;s a little premature and we should give the character a chance to really become &amp;quot;main&amp;quot; before adding her.  In the meantime, though, if you feel like searching for some nice picture of her that we can use, you can go ahead and do so.  You can post them here for others to chime in on which they like.  We&#039;ll need to pick an image before adding her anyway, so might as well get a start.  [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:56, 11 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well given this latest video It doesn&#039;t look likely tha alex is gonna become a main character -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bree&#039;s new picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
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what video is Bree&#039;s new picture from? &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] ([[User talk:Garfwog|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Garfwog|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[Snow Angels]].--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:54, 12 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== NBR on main page? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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JayHenry put  Nikki Bowers latest video on the back on th main page, after I deleted it .   I thhought that the main page and the video list were only supposed to include canon videos.  on the list of videos talk it was decided that even the tachyon and brother videos don&#039;t belong. So can we get clear criteria as far as what gets included and what doesn&#039;t -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:01, 12 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I added it following the conversation at [[Talk:Following the Drugs!! - NBR Investigates]].  Nikki&#039;s video is included because it&#039;s difficult to understand the series without it.  The [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] reflects those videos that appear on the left sidebar of lonelygirl15.com.  But the Main Page does not follow this same guideline.  Indeed, we always added Tachyon and Brother videos to the main page. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:16, 12 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Video Descriptions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wondering, as this seems slightly better: have we ever considered writing our own descriptions to the new videos instead of copying and pasting the ones used when the videos are posted to Revver? We could make these descriptions shorter and more useful. When the videos are posted, they usually don&#039;t summarize the video because why would Bree, etc. tell you exactly what the video was about before you watched it? For an encyclopedia, however, it seems better to summarize. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 20:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: I just replaced the current contents of the redesign page with the present contents of the actual main page, so it matched up in case anyone wanted to play around. We should maybe do this regularly.&lt;/p&gt;
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* [[Breeniverse]] &amp;amp;mdash; contains everything that is considered &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; within Bree&#039;s universe.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[The Story So Far...]] &amp;amp;mdash; Information on how the story is heading in the Breeniverse.&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Locations]] &amp;amp;mdash; information about all those places our favorite characters have been.&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[AphidPedia]] &amp;amp;mdash; a guide to lonelygirl15&#039;s official [[Alternate Reality Game]] with [[OpAphid]] and [[Tachyon]].&lt;br /&gt;
** [[Everything You Need To Play OpAphid]]&lt;br /&gt;
** [[List of ARG tools]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Lazyeye.jpg|Who&#039;s that girl?|100px|left]] &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|The Hunt for Bree]]&#039;&#039;&#039; &amp;amp;mdash; before [[Jessica Lee Rose]] was on Jay Leno, before [[the Creators]], before the [[Alternate Reality Game|ARGs]], there was a girl in her bedroom named [[Bree]], and an army of fans [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|searching for her true identity]].  This is the story of that hunt.&lt;br /&gt;
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|image        = 0169-JonasAndAlexOnTheBeach.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|description  = Thankfully, Bree listened to reason and logic prevailed. I had a loooonnnng talk with Alex over the weekend. I think we actually got somewhere.&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=225 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
|forumurl     = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8566&lt;br /&gt;
|faction      = THE RESISTANCE&lt;br /&gt;
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|date         = April 6th, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
|name         = Confrontation&lt;br /&gt;
|blogger      = Bree&lt;br /&gt;
|image        = Alex confrontation.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
|description  = I decided to talk to Alex directly. I&#039;m sick of sitting around.&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=224 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
|forumurl     = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8510&lt;br /&gt;
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|name         = Spring Break Sucks&lt;br /&gt;
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|image        = 167 tend and befriend.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|description  = Yeah, it&#039;s definitely not my thing. After seeing Daniel&#039;s video, I decided to take a walk and collect my thoughts. I really think we need to confront Alex, but Daniel and Jonas decided to deal with their problems differently...&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=223 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
|forumurl     = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8477&lt;br /&gt;
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|name         = Lying Bastards&lt;br /&gt;
|blogger      = Daniel&lt;br /&gt;
|image        = 166 no ho in mexico.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
|description  = We followed Alex down the coast and into Mexico. It looks like she has a vacation home here or something. I did some snooping and overheard some interesting (but really confusing) stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
|url          = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=222 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
|forumurl     = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8454&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Psychological Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Subjects Apprehended]]&lt;br /&gt;
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	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lonelygirl15_behind_the_scenes&amp;diff=34014</id>
		<title>Lonelygirl15 behind the scenes</title>
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		<updated>2007-04-09T15:05:07Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;The people who work &#039;&#039;&#039;behind the scenes&#039;&#039;&#039; often receive little credit, but more information on them can be found here.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Creators==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Ch abc creators.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The three creators, seen on ABC News.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Miles Beckett]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mesh Flinders]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Greg Goodfried]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Production Team==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Amanda Goodfried]] -- Producer&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Kevin Schlanser]] -- Camera/Editor&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Glenn Rubenstein]] -- Writer&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Vanessa Roveto]] -- Writer&lt;br /&gt;
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==Primary Cast==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Jessica Lee Rose]] -- [[Bree]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Yousef Abu-Taleb]] -- [[Daniel]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jackie Jandrell]] -- [[Gemma]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jackson Davis]] -- [[Jonas]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Lonelygirl15 Music==&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[LG15 music|LG15 Music]] -- discussion of the music used in the videos.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[LG15 Soundtrack]] -- a list of all songs used in the series.&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.ccmixter.org/ ccMixter]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Related Sites==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[The Children of Anchor Cove]] -- fan created forum devoted to the discussion of the lonelygirl15 project.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[YouTube]] -- video-sharing website where the blogs can be found.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Revver]] -- money-making video-sharing website where the Creators first post the blogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Behind the scenes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Hug_It_Out&amp;diff=34013</id>
		<title>Hug It Out</title>
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		<updated>2007-04-09T15:03:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheNunOwnedGoat: Cleanup. Also, this needs a better caption.&lt;/p&gt;
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| caption     = Westside hug it out! Southside hug it out! Eastside hug it out! Northside hug...now here we go!...&lt;br /&gt;
| blogger     = Jonas&lt;br /&gt;
| date        = April 9th, 2007&lt;br /&gt;
| url         = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=225 lonelygirl15.com]&lt;br /&gt;
| description = Thankfully, Bree listened to reason and logic prevailed. I had a loooonnnng talk with Alex over the weekend. I think we actually got somewhere. - Jonas&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Hug it Out&#039;&#039;&#039; is the one hundred sixty-ninth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transcript==&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Jonas and [[Alex]] are seen on a beach in the distance talking to each other and Jonas is narrating.&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Ok, So I just had a little heart to heart (&#039;&#039;Switches to Jonas alone&#039;&#039;) with my aunt out on the beach. I know what you&#039;re thinking, you&#039;re not supposed to trust the uh..&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Jonas and Alex on the beach and Jonas has his hand out, possibly yelling at Alex&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) the bad guys. She&#039;s a bad guy, you&#039;re not supposed to trust her. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; But, you know it was either that or, pff you know Bree&#039;s prefered methods. Alright, the thing is, is that Alex is my dad&#039;s little sister. Well, yeah technically half-sister but whatever and it all started when my grandfather got divorced and married this much, much younger woman. Alex&#039;s mom was, how do I, how do I phrase this delicately, umm a total whack job. Can I say that? Is that mean? But she was. She was one of these new aged fruity types, I remember she was always talking about (&#039;&#039;Puts on an accent&#039;&#039;) &#039;&#039;Jonas the [[free will]] of man and the meridian lines&#039;&#039;. Meridian lines? That&#039;s like geography, I get that but I don&#039;t know what it has to do with the human soul. Anyway my dad said, and thought she was full of, how do you say it in spanish? Taca? When in Mexico...Alex and my dad, they became actually &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach again. It appears Alex is trying to tell Jonas something but he raises his arms then bounces on the ground suggesting he can&#039;t believe what she&#039;s saying&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) pretty close because until she my dad never really had a sister. She was just at our house constantly, she did everything with us &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; She was part of the family. She would go sailing with us. I mean, everything, you name it, she was there. I think it caused a little conflict &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach again. Alex has her hands in her pockets and Jonas has his arms. He unfolded his arms and points his fingers at Alex accusingly before starting to walk away&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) with Alex&#039;s mom cause she was, she was the jealous type and I mean it even got to the point &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; where she wasn&#039;t even allowed to come over our house anymore. So when my parents started travelling a lot umm we didn&#039;t really see Alex that much anymore, you know, just holidays and Christmas and I remember one Christmas Alex&#039;s mom had had a little too much &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas is walking away, kicking sand as he walks and Alex is following. He stops and turns to face Alex&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) to drink and her and my dad kinda got into it. &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; They started arguing and they said a bunch of things &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas is walking toward Alex appearing to be yelling at her.&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) to each other. A lot of weird stuff. Alex&#039;s mom started accusing my dad of just some whacked out crazy stuff&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to Jonas alone&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; They were arguing something about her religion. She was always very fanatical. It got heated&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas exclaiming towards the sky with his hands&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) and they both said some pretty awful things to each other. (&#039;&#039;Alex is walking away from Jonas with her arms crossed whilst yelling something&#039;&#039;) I&#039;m sure they would have apologized cause that&#039;s what families do they fight (&#039;&#039;Jonas and Alex both have arms crossed and are exchanging heated words&#039;&#039;) and they make up but&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to Jonas alone&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; um...unfortunately they never got that chance cause later that Feburary uh Alex&#039;s mom got hit by a drunk driver&lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Jonas is listening to Alex, both still have their arms crossed&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) and uh she died en route to the hospital &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to Jonas alone&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; Yep, your classic &#039;How could there be a god when something like this happens&#039; moment. There&#039;s more to this story. During my reconciliation with Alex on the beach she gave me a little more information. Her mom&#039;s religion, same as Bree&#039;s mom&#039;s [[religion]]. Same thing. And after the car accident, [[the Order]] contacted Alex and they used, they used her basically, they took advantage of her grief, and convinced her that my dad had something to do with her mom&#039;s death. So Alex said the Order would help her out once in a while. They kinda hooked her up with job in the fashion line, promotions the whole deal. I guess when they found out that we were going her way (&#039;&#039;makes phone gesture with his hand&#039;&#039;) They called in some favours. They told her exactly what to say in that little, little speech she gave. I don&#039;t even think she knows what she was doing. She was just doing what they told her &lt;br /&gt;
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(&#039;&#039;Switches to shot of Alex and Jonas on the beach. Alex is looking to the distance and Jonas is standing beside her&#039;&#039;) &lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Jonas:&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;narrating&#039;&#039;) She&#039;s pretty broken up. I mean she was visibly distraught (&#039;&#039;Jonas playfully bumps into Alex&#039;s shoulder&#039;&#039;) and I don&#039;t think you can pretend. Are my parents still alive? I hope so. Alex thinks they are (&#039;&#039;Alex hugs Jonas&#039;&#039;) She feels so bad about what happened that she said that she will do anything she can to help us find out.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheNunOwnedGoat</name></author>
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