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<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>We need to add this video to the Video List.--[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 22:17, 5 October 2008 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:HLPME&diff=144000 2008-10-06T03:17:49Z

<p>Rekidk: New page: We need to add this video to the Video List. Also, should we add a note that this is the first video to be posted on lg15.com/theresistance that wasn&#039;t included in the weekly video? --~~~~</p> <hr /> <div>We need to add this video to the Video List. Also, should we add a note that this is the first video to be posted on lg15.com/theresistance that wasn't included in the weekly video? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 22:17, 5 October 2008 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_KateModern_videos/Season_2&diff=133676 2008-06-29T18:33:00Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>==Live Chat Uploads from Last Work==<br /> <br /> Should we add the live-chat upload videos to the video list? (Maybe as un-numbered entries, but it'd still be nice to have them on the list.)<br /> <br /> ==I'm an idiot==<br /> I majorly messed up. I thought that the Week 12 recap was a video like [[The Story So Far... (video)]], and didn't bother to check my assumption until today. *kicks self* The ordering is a bit screwed up now. I re-edited the List of Episodes page to not include the Week 12 Recap, so the numbering it now has is the numbers that should be on the video pages. *goes to change back as much as possible* --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:48, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br /> :Hm, so what exactly is it? I was confused too, lol. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:54, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::It is basically all the videos from Week 12 combined into one. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:09, 21 October 2007 (EST)<br /> :::But is it a recap made up of the videos by Sophie? If so, I'd imagine that that makes it a recap video... Well okay, is it on the official list? Were the other recaps on the official list (at the KateModern Bebo page). I guess that's the way we should judge. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:13, 21 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Numbering!! ==<br /> <br /> The numbering on the individual vid pages is very screwed up. Basically, the KM vids just need more attention over all. But in the short run, the numbering needs to be fixed. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 01:07, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :Ah! Okay, [[User:FH14|FH14]] just added the recap vids tonight. I think we've determined that the KM recap vids aren't official, and so shouldn't be numbered. Isn't that right? Even if they're in the list, they shouldn't be [li]'ed. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 01:11, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :To be consitent with the LG15 area, I'm going to renumber everything to be exactly like it is on the LG15 site. This will knock some videos off of the official numbering, and will add quite a few recap videos. I don't know why they do what they do in the main page, but I think it would be less confusing in the long run to sync the numbers. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:40, 17 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> 'Kay, after a chat with Zoey on this a while ago, the official consensus is thus: All new content videos get numbered. If it's a recap video, it does NOT get numbered unless listed in the official Bebo page listing.<br /> <br /> Now, as for the format I've been following, if it's a recap video, it's an official Sophie video, but it will NOT be linked to from any other video pages, except those by Sophie. (i.e. a Sophie video can have a recap video in the &quot;Previous by Sophie&quot; or &quot;Next by Sophie&quot; fields, but a recap video MAY NOT link to or be linked to from a numbered video as &quot;Next&quot; or &quot;Previous&quot;. Recap videos should link to each other as next and previous, and if an original content video by Sophie is in between, it is listed as &quot;Next by Sophie&quot;.) ...If you're confused, just look at the way Season One videos have been put together, or ask me. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:32, 22 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Kate Modern: Precious Blood ==<br /> <br /> I'm putting this here as a note: ''please'' DO NOT put the Precious Blood video made by Sophie in the list. It's not even a recap, it's just ridiculously long. I've put a link to it on the [[Precious Blood]] page, which should suffice. Thanks! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 07:59, 10 April 2008 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony/Fanfic_revamp&diff=107237 2008-02-29T04:29:58Z

<p>Rekidk: CassieIsWatching: Tier 3/4?</p> <hr /> <div>Note: Several resolved and abandoned discussions have been [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/Fanfic revamp/Archives|archived]] in order to keep the page tidy.<br /> <br /> ==Glossary==<br /> {|width=&quot;50%&quot;<br /> !style=&quot;width: 6em;&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot;|Tier 1<br /> |Tier 1 Fanfic is not notable enough to get listed on LGPedia. All vlogs not belonging to a series fall under this category. (Singular notable vlogs may be listed on a single listing page in the future.)<br /> |-<br /> !valign=&quot;top&quot;|Tier 2<br /> |Tier 2 Fanfic gets a single page with a few basic facts like creators, general plot/topic outline and maybe a list of characters.<br /> |-<br /> !valign=&quot;top&quot;|Tier 3<br /> |Tier 3 Fanfic gets a comprehensive single page, including a more detailed plot outline, episode lists, and similar additional information.<br /> |-<br /> !valign=&quot;top&quot;|Tier 4<br /> |Tier 4 Fanfic is fanfic that, under all objective considerations, should belong to Tier 3, but for some subjective or organizational reason are allowed to branch out and create more than one page. (An example would be that a series is rather small in notability, but has a high number of episodes, so that a separate list of videos makes more sense.)<br /> |-<br /> !valign=&quot;top&quot;|Tier 5<br /> |Tier 5 Fanfic are all &quot;big&quot; series, like OpAphid, Maddison Atkins or Redearth88. They get the same array of pages as canon series, including templates, character/actor pages and categories.<br /> |}<br /> <br /> ==Criteria==<br /> The important and sole decisive criterion is '''notability'''. Is a series notable enough to be listed at all, and, if yes, how notable is it?<br /> <br /> Unfortunately, notability is very subjective. As such, we have to fall back on objective data to decide whether a series is notable. Such objective data can be:<br /> *Did the series become canon at one point in its life? (Example: OpAphid)<br /> *Did the series get a shoutout or referred to in a canon episode? (Example: Paulmark18)<br /> *How many people in the community have seen the series? (Example: Maddison Atkins)<br /> *How many people in the community have heard of the series? (Example: Immant, Cassieiswatching)<br /> *How many views do the videos of the series have on average?<br /> *How many episodes does the series have?<br /> *How many main characters are there? (Just one vlogger, or an entire cast?)<br /> *How big/complex is the production? (Just one vlogger with a webcam, or an entire crew with multiple sets and scripted episodes?)<br /> *And, especially for Tier 4 series, is there anything special or exceptional that needs to be considered? (Example: Lonelygirl362436 - technically a rather small series, but highly notable because it was produced by the Creators, had Daniel in it and a well-known hollywood actress as its lead.)<br /> *''[Please expand this list]''<br /> <br /> ==List of fan series currently archived on the pedia==<br /> *[[The 707 clique]]<br /> *[[Aaronbeast]]<br /> *[[Acrowleyorder]]<br /> *[[ApotheosisAZ]]<br /> *[[Breeiswaiting]]<br /> *[[Brucker]]<br /> *[[Bubbleteagirl]]<br /> *[[Cassieiswatching]]<br /> *[[Cassieresurrection]]<br /> *[[Cassie UGC]]<br /> **[[Cassieiswatching]]<br /> **[[itscassie]]<br /> **[[breeiswaiting]]<br /> **[[cassieresurrection]]<br /> **[[frankiswaking]]<br /> **[[frankiswaiting@gmail.com]]<br /> *[[The Deacons (commenter)|The Deacons]]<br /> *[[Deemontreal]]<br /> *[[Dreams from the Breeniverse]]<br /> *[[Elendi-Waffle Lonelistic Physics Research Institute (EWLPRI).|EWLPRI]]<br /> *[[The Flock]]<br /> *[[Fourthface]]<br /> *[[GuillotineCalamity]]<br /> *[[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]<br /> *[[Immant]]<br /> *[[Iris2009]]<br /> *[[Itscassie]]<br /> *[[Kelseygirl15]]<br /> *[[TheLadyLazarus]]<br /> *[[Lonelydude15]]<br /> *[[lonelygirl362436]]<br /> *[[LonelyJew15]]<br /> *[[LonesomeOctober]]<br /> *[[LordGreystoke422]]<br /> *[[Maccaboy17]]<br /> *[[Maddison Atkins]]<br /> *[[Marbella]]<br /> *[[MessyNessy89]]<br /> *[[Mission Anchor Cove]]<br /> *[[MsBlackBetty]]<br /> *[[N3ural N3t]]<br /> *[[List of New Girl Candidates|New Girls]]<br /> *[[OpAphid]]<br /> *[[OpScorn]]<br /> *[[Paulmark18]]<br /> *[[ProjectStatic]]<br /> *[[Redearth88]]<br /> *[[RefusEtoBeliEveLies]]<br /> *[[Sarahsnotebook]]<br /> *[[StormFaction]]<br /> *[[Scdgoofy]]<br /> *[[TWJaniak]]<br /> *[[UtNbErS tutlaEN]]<br /> *[[Xeniph]]<br /> <br /> ==Agreed listings==<br /> ===Tier 1===<br /> *[[fourthface]] - doesn't seem very popular; not very many views.<br /> <br /> ===Tier 2===<br /> *[[Frankiswaking]] - some notability, 250+ subscribers; should probably be combined with [[Frankiswaiting@gmail.com]] (even though they're different, they're still related); maybe should be Tier 3?<br /> <br /> ===Tier 3===<br /> <br /> ===Tier 4===<br /> *[[lonelygirl362436]] -- as said above, though only three-episode series, the Creators played a part in it, Daniel had a role, and it was viral marketing for ''Epic Movie''<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Tier 5===<br /> *[[Redearth88]], [[OpAphid]], &amp; [[Maddison Atkins]] -- Not only do their stories merge into a larger story, but one of Redearth' puppetmasters is Glenn Rubenstein (who was creator of OpAphid), ans he was for some time involved with the Creators when OpAphid was the official ARG of the LG15 series.<br /> <br /> ==Mission==<br /> We need your comments. Look at the series we already have, look at the series that exist that we don't have yet, and rate them using the criteria above. Try to determine whether a series is notable enough to be listed, and, if yes, which tier it belongs to. Remember to post your reasoning ;)<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:58, 20 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Free for all comment space==<br /> Add your comments and opinions below this line.<br /> <br /> ===Starting Fresh, Perhaps===<br /> So I've been reading this section and not commenting, just observing. After lurking for a while on, not only this convo, but chat, LG15 Today, Inside LG15, the comment boards, and the forums, I've decided to post what I feel may be closest to the opinion of the majority. Every series I'm listing has had thought behind it, so if there are ones you don't agree with, I'm happy to lay out my reasons (as long as too many people don't do this, hehe, I'll get swamped!)<br /> <br /> Anywho, the listings:<br /> <br /> '''Tier 1:''' [[The 707 clique]], [[Aaronbeast]], [[Breeiswaiting]], [[Brucker]], [[Bubbleteagirl]], [[Cassieresurrection]], [[The Deacons (commenter)|The Deacons]], [[Elendi-Waffle Lonelistic Physics Research Institute (EWLPRI).|EWLPRI]], [[Fourthface]], [[GuillotineCalamity]], [[Iris2009]], [[Maccaboy17]], [[Marbella]], [[Mission Anchor Cove]], [[MsBlackBetty]], [[N3ural N3t]], [[OpScorn]], [[ProjectStatic]], [[Kelseygirl15]], [[Lonelydude15]], [[RefusEtoBeliEveLies]], [[Sarahsnotebook]], [[StormFaction]], [[Scdgoofy]], [[TheLadyLazarus]], [[TWJaniak]], [[UtNbErS tutlaEN]], majority of the [[List of New Girl Candidates|New Girls]]<br /> <br /> '''Tier 2:''' [[ApotheosisAZ]], [[Cassie UGC]] (consisting of, CIW and itscassie, but also [[breeiswaiting]], [[cassieresurrection]], [[frankiswaking]], [[frankiswaiting@gmail.com]] cassieisevil, cassieiswatching222, cassieseesall, etc) [[Deemontreal]], [[Dreams from the Breeniverse]], [[MessyNessy89]], [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]], [[Xeniph]], The Coalition (consisting of Facility J, Will-O-Wisp, Wordfiles, ZorinXL), Zoey fanfic(??, lol am I biased here?) (including zoeyiswatching and opzoeyd)<br /> <br /> '''Tier 3:''' [[Acrowleyorder]], [[Cassieiswatching]], [[Immant]], [[LonesomeOctober]], [[LordGreystoke422]], [[Paulmark18]]<br /> <br /> '''Tier 4:''' [[lonelygirl362436]], [[The Flock]] (The Flock being Tier 4 with the condition that they keep it up to date themselves, the details of this can be hashed out later), [[Itscassie]], [[LonelyJew15]]<br /> <br /> '''Tier 5:''' [[Maddison Atkins]], [[OpAphid]], [[Redearth88]]<br /> <br /> Let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:46, 26 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :I think they are more fair. Definitely a better starting point for discussion. I have no objections.--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 17:05, 26 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :No objections, Zoey. Let's do it!! --[[User:Virginian9000|Virginian9000]] 28:54, 26 February 2008 (EST)<br /> :I concur. Although, some of the Tier 3 listings are currently being upkept as Tier 2s... Are they going to be expanded more? I still maintain my opinion that only Tier 5 videos should have transcripts, but since I seem to be the voice of the minority, I suppose we can expand it to two. (We do need to set a firm line, though.)<br /> :I will also say that anything Tier 3 or above should get some actual content regarding the SERIES, and not solely the videos. I think if we can't get that together, it should bump it down a bit in the rankings.<br /> ::''Also, I think I should add, as I explained in the chat (and apparently neglected to do so above) my earlier listing was not meant to be definitive in any way, and was simply thrown together based on what little I knew of the series, and what content was available. I just wanted to put them out there for discussion.''<br /> :Once the tiers get hashed out, we should archive the discussion and go on to discussions on how exactly to change each series page for the better. They '''all''' could stand some serious work. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:00, 26 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :#When you say &quot;consisting of...&quot;, does that mean we'll unify all sub-series on one page? i.e., have only one Cassie UGC page then, not separate *cassie* pages?<br /> :#Have you checked whether any series has something special that'd bump them up, being featured in the Community Appreciation Week or something, for example?<br /> :#Will we make The Flock Deal a general offer?<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:24, 26 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :I think Zoey's proposal is proably the fairest one I've seen so far. As someone who spends a lot of their time on the fanfic area of the LGPedia, and as a fan of many of the UGC series out there. I will say this: I think every three months or so there should be a place where people can state their case for why something should change tiers or not. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 27 February 2008 (EST)<br /> :No objections on my end, Zoey. :) And I really like that idea, FH14 -- who's to say every show is going to be the same forevermore?? -- --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:55, 27 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :well, i wanted to try to get iris2009 page into tier 2, no admin besides Jay and Owen and TWj have ever touched it, my fans along with me have cared for the page..all i ask is to keep the 1 page...--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 21:38, 28 February 2008 (CST)<br /> ::I can see the reasoning behind a bump-up, especially since the Iris page hasn't gotten horribly over-blown. I can also see an argument for making it Tier 1. I dunno, I could go either way on this, to be honest. (If it does get bumped to Tier 2, I think the page is going to need some rearranging or something; half of the stuff in the introduction isn't really &quot;intro&quot;.) I'll wait to see what other people think. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:03, 28 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> I hate to upset the applecart, but I have an opinion. (Doesn't everyone?) This is about CassieIsWatching, which is currently listed as a Tier 3. I believe that CassieIsWatching is a special exception, and should be Tier 4. It has done the following: achieved over 250,000 views on just 5 videos; inspired a multitude of Cassie fanfic (including ItsCassie, a Tier 4); inspired OpAphid, the former-official ARG of LG15 and current part of RE88 (a Tier 5); provided a launchpad for the aforementioned OpAphid, which 'gamejacked' CiW's mailbox and responded to its videos; attracted attention of a new audience and provided the majority of LG15.com's forum traffic during its run; historically significant; inspired BreeIsWaiting, which is presumed to have connections to the Creators;and finally, it is currently complete, with around 10 pages, and requires little effort to maintain (as it has ended long, long ago). Again, I don't want to upset matters--I'm not a regular LGPedia contributer--but I strongly believe that CiW should be Tier 4. --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 22:29, 28 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==Schedule==<br /> Since a large part of the previous discussion participants seems to agree with Zoey's listing, and this project has been going on for two months now, I guess it's time to set a schedule for the next phase(s)<br /> *Unless there are no major further objections, I'll create a '''preliminary final listing on February 29th'''. This, if not objected to, will be the master reference list for tier listings.<br /> *If there are no major further objections to the preliminary final listing until '''March 2nd''', then discussion will be be ceased, and we'll commence the Revamp.<br /> *The Revamp will proceed as follows<br /> **'''Phase 1:''' Make a link-list of all Tier 1 fanfic, something along the lines of &quot;List of additional user-generated content&quot;; tag all Tier 1 and related pages for deletion.<br /> **'''Phase 2:''' Find and tag Tier 2-related pages such as lists of videos, categories, templates video pages and so on. Write up basic pages for each series.<br /> **'''Phase 3:''' Find and tag Tier 3-related pages such as lists of videos, categories, templates video pages and so on. Collapse information into the series pages where possible, write up extended pages for each series.<br /> **'''Phase 4:''' Identify the current set of pages Tier 4 pages have, and check with the page-list which ones are needed, and which aren't. Tag/expand as necessary.<br /> **'''Phase 5:''' Identify the current set of pages Tier 5 pages have, and check with the page-list which ones are needed. Expand as necessary.<br /> **'''Phase 6:''' Find and correct references to UGC content.<br /> **'''Phase 7:''' Declare Revamp over.<br /> **'''Phase 8:''' Monitor UGC/fanfic expansion, re-evaluate tier status where necessary, assess new UGC/fanfic, keep fanfic-list up to date, control [[#Immo Regulations|Immo Regulations]].<br /> <br /> ===Page-list===<br /> *Central portal<br /> *List of videos<br /> *Templates:<br /> **Bottom index<br /> **Customized sidebar template (For less than ten episodes, use [[Template:FakeBlog]] directly. Otherwise, create a pass-through template for FakeBlog. No non-canon series gets its own, independent sidebar.)<br /> *Character pages<br /> *Actor pages<br /> *Categories to group it all together<br /> <br /> ===Immo Regulations===<br /> The basic point of these regulations is, independent from any criterion spelled out in writing below, that The Flock's pages must look neither dead, unmaintained nor messy. The reason The Flock was granted Tier 4 status was because Immo vouched to make sure his pages would be maintained either by himself or his fans. Should it, at any point, be apparent that this is not the case, Tier 4 status will be revoked, and The Flock will be collapsed into a Tier 3 page.&lt;br&gt;<br /> Reasons for revocation can be:<br /> *Episode pages are not added within three days after an episode's release, or are still &quot;barebones&quot;, lacking parts of sidebar information.<br /> *Transcripts have not been added within one week of the episode's release.<br /> *The portal's list of videos has not been updated within two days after an episode's release.<br /> *New main characters are not added to the portal within three days.<br /> *New main characters do not have a character page within four days.<br /> *The &quot;Plot background&quot; or similar sections on character pages stay outdated for more than two weeks.<br /> *The &quot;Last Appearance&quot; link has not been updated within two days after an episode's release.<br /> *The portal is kept &quot;untidy&quot;, having dead links, superfluous content (like the current character placeholders), or generally lacking organization.<br /> *Clean-up tags are not resolved within five days.<br /> <br /> Reasons can and ''will'' be collapsed - if it takes four days to get a character page up, you do ''not'' have an additional two days to update &quot;Last Appearance&quot;. These two days ended two days after the video was released. Likewise, while the regulations allow for a dead character link from day three to day four, keep in mind dead links on the portal count towards the untidyness-factor. Continuously having dead links for several days on the portal, even if they are resolved within four days, will be seen as a sign you or your fans are incapable of handling the workload of maintaining the portal, and thus the section as a whole.<br /> ----<br /> And before you start complaining: These rules are actually quite gracious. It takes less than ten minutes to get a barebones video page up. You have been given three ''days''. It takes less than one minute to add a link to a list. You have been given ''two days''. If your people work as great as you touted, you should be in no danger. But there is nothing you can say that will change the fact that being incapable of doing a ten-minute-job within three days is a very clear sign your section is ''not'' actively being maintained, and since the only reason you have been given the right to create separate pages is that you vouched to keep them maintained, violation of these regulations will lead to the termination of this deal.&lt;br&gt;<br /> In addition, you should be aware that the pedia doesn't sleep, and it doesn't wait for you. Deadlines will not change because you are on vacation or anything. If your pages go unmaintained just because one person cannot contribute, that's just another sign you cannot handle the workload.&lt;br&gt;<br /> As said above, the timeframes you have been given are very gracious, especially considering that you don't even have to care for the whole pedia, but just a very, very small subset of its pages. So take what you can get, and keep your section maintained - any complaints will only lead to a re-evaluation of these timeframes, and might very well lead to the administration deciding that you don't really need two days to put up a single link.<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:16, 27 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::1) I do question whether you have the authority on behalf of the administration to impose regulations but in the end it doesn't matter.&lt;br&gt;<br /> ::2) That fact that this section takes almost half the page is telling. You've obviously spent a great deal of time looking at Flock page histories to see how long it takes for types of edits to be made. I can only assume that your sheriff of these parts and will be keeping a close eye to insure these regulations are met.&lt;/br&gt;<br /> ::4) These are fan contributions, no one is running to the lgpedia to read transcripts for current vids. It's about archiving. The one thing this process has ignored from the very beginning is how and why these pags are used. They are used differently than the canon series.&lt;br&gt; <br /> ::5) When reading &quot;superfluous content (like the current character placeholders)&quot; is where my needle ticked. We ended season 1 with every character's future uncertain. Since the lgpedia is our only web presence I put the placeholders in to create suspense between seasons and as the season got started as to which characters would return and which new ones would show up. We revealed a new character as recently as last week. You might have a case if I upload new images for this purpose but I used the same image that has been on the page since day one in each case. It just shows that you're looking really hard to find something to complain about and will continue to do so.&lt;br&gt; <br /> ::6) The fact that you've named these &quot;Immo's Regulations&quot; suggest that I somehow am getting special treatment. I don't want or need special treatment. I mean if my people are doing the editing doesn't that ease the burden of other editors? Seems like a fair exchange to me.&lt;br&gt;<br /> ::7) At the end of the day all this appears to be is a petty pathetic attempt to best me and guess what? You win, tell a friend. Our project is very laid back. I don't hold the girls to a video schedule I'm sure as hell am not going to hold them to your regulations. Whoever has edited the Flockipedia has done so without any prodding from me. They are free to still do so. I won't discourage them but I'd expect they won't. Whether FH14 continues to do so is up to him. I'll take this opportunity to thank him for all his hard work. So however far back you scale the Flock's pages I expect the administration to maintain them at the same level as others in the same tier.<br /> ::--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 18:43, 27 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::#Question all you want...I have no fear of it.<br /> ::#Actually, I've got better things to do than to police you...I'm four weeks past schedule on the portal redesign, have to fix character icons and whatnot. But I'm sure FH14 will keep an eye on everything.<br /> ::#Yeah...you kinda don't have 3. Cheating on the numbers, are we?<br /> ::#So? The fact that your users use your pages differently than the canon ones is a reason they should be allowed to make the pedia as a whole look incomplete? ''Transcript missing'' looks like &quot;The pedia is missing a transcript.&quot;, not &quot;Immo had a logical reason not to put up a transcript at the moment, and the pedia is not at fault for this.&quot;. You may not care if a transcript is missing, but for us, it means the pedia looks incomplete. The fact that you don't seem to grasp that your pages directly represent LGPedia to the readers explains why you don't give a fuck about our needs. I don't care for what reason you put up transcripts, as long as they're there. Nobody is reading Flock pages thinking &quot;oh, these are immo's pages&quot; - they are reading ''the pedia'', and everything they see falls back on ''the pedia''. When you miss a transcript, it makes ''us'' look bad, not you.<br /> ::#Your needle can tick all it wants. The fact that you had to write a whole thick paragraph to explain these placeholders should tell you it's not obvious. For everyone else, it looks like somebody failed at table building. If you want it to be like planned, give it a picture that says &quot;to be revealed&quot; or something, so the user knows it's meant to be empty, and not just horrible layouting.<br /> ::#Ever heard of &quot;Miranda Laws&quot;? You're a precedent, and the only one getting this special bumping so far. Thus, it's named after you. Why should I name it &quot;Tier 4 Exception Regulations&quot; when, technically, Tier 4 already ''is'' the exception? Face it, you're getting special treatment, and you're the only one getting it so far, so it's named after you.&lt;br&gt;And, just for the sake of mentioning it: Once more, your argument can be spun both ways - deleting all but one Flock pages would also ease our burden, and a lot more than still having to patrol what your users do on 50 pages.<br /> ::#Oh, I'm sorry, were you out of arguments? Did you find no way to attack me on the subject matter? I don't care if your project is laid back, how you keep your girls or whatever. It's time you finally grasp this is not about you in any way. It's about the pedia as a whole and all of the fanfic. The only reason it's personalized for you is because you're the only creator who got here trying to defend his creation with nonsense, insults, and pulling strings behind the scenes.&lt;br&gt;You were speaking about how stuff was telling. You know what's telling? That in six points you had, you didn't question a single of the regulations I wrote. All your six points were direct attacks at me. First questioning my authority, then insinuating I was unrightfully thinking of myself as a sort of &quot;pedia police&quot;, going on to imply that I just don't understand your ways, that I was unfairly pointing out obvious flaws in your design, that I was highlighting you for no apparent reason, and finally, directly saying I'm picking on you, calling me pathetic.&lt;br&gt;You may think you did a great job at undermining my credibility, insulting me, or whatever the hell you tried there. Fact is, this was your response to the regulations, you did not object to them, so they will go in effect as written, unless the administration intervenes.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:34, 27 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::::Again in your effort to &quot;win&quot; you miss the most important point which is where I said I will not follow your regulations nor will I ask anyone else to and I concede what that means in terms of whatever tier the administration deems the Flock should go. Could that be the reason I didn'nt object to the them?--[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 22:56, 27 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::::Then I guess this deal is void and your pages will be collapsed.<br /> ::::::&lt;nowiki&gt;*shrug*&lt;/nowiki&gt; Less work for us.<br /> :::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 23:01, 27 February 2008 (CST)<br /> :::Okay, here's my two cents on this whole thing. You can argue back at me if you want or whatever, but I'm just stating what I took from this.<br /> :::Firstly, you say &quot;If you want it to be like planned, give it a picture that says &quot;to be revealed&quot; or something&quot; -- Why would you do that? Surely that takes away the element of surprise whether or not new characters are going to be added or not. That's like lonelygirl turning round and saying &quot;We're putting a picture of Jules here because she's going to come in the series in a weeks time. But shhh, we didn't tell you that.&quot; Or something like that. Personally, I think the placeholders makes the page look nice as well, but yeah.<br /> :::And name me one person who would complain about the lgpedia looking untidy if a couple of transcripts are missing? I've seen a weeks worth of Kate Modern transcripts not completed before. And don't use the argument that it's canon, because by your own words &quot;When you miss a transcript, it makes ''us'' look bad.&quot; <br /> :::You also say people look at the pedia as a whole. Since when? I don't watch RE or MA or anything like that, and therefore I don't care if they're missing information. The only people who would look at The Flock pages are either fans, or potential fans. And there's enough information put up a few hours to a day after each video to keep both sets of people happy.<br /> :::Next, you say &quot;Less work for us&quot; if you did collapse it - but isn't the whole point of The Flock being that it's self-servicing, ie no admins need to edit it? So what if a couple of transcripts are a day or so late - transcripts are a time-consuming thing to do, even for a short video. I'm not complaining because I love editing The Flock pages. But personally I'd say that the video's page should be up at the very least (Title, Description, screenshot, character etc). The simple fact is-- it may take 2 days, it may take 2 weeks. But at the end of the day everything on The Flock area is updated. Without admins.<br /> :::And I don't see any string pulling happening. It was a reasonable request, and an extremely valid argument. If another video creator had the same argument, and requested the same, would you still have a problem with it? Or do you just like arguing with Immo?<br /> :::&lt;nowiki&gt;*takes a deep breath and closes the window*&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> :::[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 01:12, 28 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|Firstly, you say &quot;If you want it to be like planned, give it a picture that says &quot;to be revealed&quot; or something&quot; -- Why would you do that? Surely that takes away the element of surprise whether or not new characters are going to be added or not. That's like lonelygirl turning round and saying &quot;We're putting a picture of Jules here because she's going to come in the series in a weeks time. But shhh, we didn't tell you that.&quot; Or something like that. Personally, I think the placeholders makes the page look nice as well, but yeah.}}<br /> ::::That is what I tried to say - they look nice to ''you'' because you know what they are. For the uninitiated, they look like random crap added by someone who didn't know how to correctly build a table, and had to fill up the remaining cells. I was not suggesting to reveal anything (hence the &quot;or something&quot;) - I was merely suggesting to make obvious to ''everyone'' that these images are supposed to be where they are and that they serve a function, and that they aren't just fillers to hold the table together.&lt;br&gt;Immo specifically said he created them to create suspense - would it hurt the suspense to add &quot;New season 2 character?&quot; or something on it? That would give away nothing, have the same effect, and everybody would know it's supposed to be there.&lt;br&gt;But nooooo, instead we add cryptic symbols, expecting everyone to psychically guess their true meaning.<br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|And name me one person who would complain about the lgpedia looking untidy if a couple of transcripts are missing?}}<br /> ::::Zoey.<br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|I've seen a weeks worth of Kate Modern transcripts not completed before. And don't use the argument that it's canon, because by your own words &quot;When you miss a transcript, it makes ''us'' look bad.&quot;}}<br /> ::::And I'm pretty sure Zoey and an armada of KM users were pretty unhappy about it, and said armada did not blame specific, random users, but blamed the general entity &quot;the pedia&quot; for not having transcripts. That's like saying, &quot;I see you already have too many pages to work on, so why do you not want ours to work on, too?&quot; I fail to see your point. (And for the record: I don't watch KM. I am not involved in any KM operation on this site, except for template hardcode fixing. What you say may be true, but I know nothing about it.)<br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|You also say people look at the pedia as a whole. Since when? I don't watch RE or MA or anything like that, and therefore I don't care if they're missing information. The only people who would look at The Flock pages are either fans, or potential fans. And there's enough information put up a few hours to a day after each video to keep both sets of people happy.}}<br /> ::::My statement was not to say that you as a Flock user would go around and check for missing RE transcripts. My point was, the generic user doesn't go &quot;Oh my, FH14 failed to add the second half of transcript XY yet!&quot;, but &quot;BAH! The pedia's transcript is incomplete again!&quot;. The users don't look at sub-sections or individual users. If a transcript is missing, it's not missing on an episode page of the Flock subsection. It's missing on &quot;the pedia&quot;.&lt;br&gt;Thus, any missing transcript gives the pedia as a whole a bad image.<br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|Next, you say &quot;Less work for us&quot; if you did collapse it - but isn't the whole point of The Flock being that it's self-servicing, ie no admins need to edit it?}}<br /> ::::That was the basis of the deal, yes. The regulations would've caught if you ''didn't'' do that, because then you ''wouldn't'' be self-servicing, and ''would'' require additional help. Had you updated the pages as normal, everything would've been fine, and you'd never have heard of the regulations again.<br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|So what if a couple of transcripts are a day or so late - transcripts are a time-consuming thing to do, even for a short video. I'm not complaining because I love editing The Flock pages. But personally I'd say that the video's page should be up at the very least (Title, Description, screenshot, character etc). The simple fact is-- it may take 2 days, it may take 2 weeks. But at the end of the day everything on The Flock area is updated. Without admins.}}<br /> ::::And that is exactly what's inacceptable. Users don't have a magic page radar that tells them &quot;''Now'' you can come, page's ready!&quot; - they come when they want to look something up. And when the page isn't there, see above - they don't go &quot;Oh damn, Babygurl1853 hasn't added a video page for Flock 64 yet.&quot; they go &quot;WTF?? Does the pedia STILL not have a page?? The episode has been out for two weeks!!!&quot;.&lt;br&gt;This is what the regulations were for. They set you a certain timeframe. Had you wanted to put the episode links after 10 minutes, ten hours or a day, we wouldn't have cared. We'd just have cared had you not done it within two days, since it's a ten-second-job, after all. You may not care if there is no video page. The readers do. And they blame all of us, not you personally.<br /> ::::{{quote|Babygurl1853|And I don't see any string pulling happening. It was a reasonable request, and an extremely valid argument. If another video creator had the same argument, and requested the same, would you still have a problem with it? Or do you just like arguing with Immo?}}<br /> ::::It's apparent that you either didn't talk to Immo beforehand, or that Immo intentionally failed to mention certain facts about his live conversations. Rest assured, I know for a fact that this wasn't the first place this deal was suggested, and rest assured I, personally, told him that the volume of pages and their well-maintained condition were greatly speaking for keeping them. (I have logs to prove that, too.)<br /> ::::This isn't about me hating Immo. This is about Immo's resistance to respect that the administration of this encyclopedia has to make sure its content is in a reasonable state of maintenance, and that his desire to keep more than 50 pages and more adds to the editing burden we ''all'' have to share. If you don't understand why all of us, ask Immo - I explained it to him multiple times on IRC.<br /> ::::As for your last question, if said theoretical fanfic would be eligible for such a deal (i.e. be in Tier 3 and have a reasonable argument to bump up to 4 if it sustains itself), and it agrees to the proposed regulations and accept the consequences should it fail to adhere to the regulations, I'd have no problem with it. It's just that the very fact that you have proven before that you can run the section on your own is what gave Immo the leverage to broker this deal - other fanfics have not shown such self-management capabilities. Nobody, not even me, doubted you could easily stay within the regulations. Especially if you are an active pedia editor, you know exactly that it doesn't take three days to add a main character to the portal. With image upload, with preparations, with extra time for weird bugs, it takes 30 minutes max. <br /> ::::And yet, 3 days for a 30 minute task are apparently not good enough for Immo. Whatever. I have proposed the regulations, I can show you countless examples for every task showing that you would've gotten vastly more time then necessary, if that's still not good enough for Immo, that's not my fault. This is not Immo's personal pedia praise party, this is content reorganization. He had fought his way to get his very own special deal, he didn't want it. That's his decision, not mine.<br /> ::::In all likelyhood, had Immo agreed, nothing would've have changed for The Flock whatsoever.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:36, 28 February 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *Related discussions:<br /> **[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#Redearth88|Redearth88 portal]]<br /> **[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#New Series Template and General guidelines for All|General page layout for UGC]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_lonelygirl15_videos/Season_3&diff=98300 2008-01-17T21:31:08Z

<p>Rekidk: Adding Watchyourjack?</p> <hr /> <div>For older discussions see [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/archive]].<br /> <br /> <br /> == Adding WatchYourJack ==<br /> <br /> M'kay. The Creators have officially confirmed themselves as the creators of [[Watchyourjack]]. He has not only been mentioned, but has had clips of video in two official videos. Now, the Creators have said that following his storyline is not essential to following the storyline of LG15... But didn't they say that about OpAphid, too? <br /> <br /> My question: should WatchYourJack videos be added to the official video list? IMHO, we should be including them. They've been repeatedly referenced by the Breeniverse and are arguably more official than, say, Nikki B's videos. (Of course, they wouldn't get their own numbers, they'd be added a la precanon or Nikki B vids.) This video list is more than just a carbon copy of LG15.com's video list; it's a complete collection of all videos in the LG15 canon, sub-canon (eg. Nikki B) and pre-canon (Jules's videos, etc.).<br /> <br /> Opinions? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 15:27, 17 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Adding Nikki Bower and Jules ==<br /> <br /> Ok so it look like Nikki bower is clearly Canon now, as is Jules. Do they belong in this list? They aren't in the left colum yet, but I think that is an oversight by the webmaster, since they are a necessary part of the story -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:35, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I doubt it's an oversight, more of a way to keep us guessing. I still think we should stick with our rule about videos being in the left column. If they both turn out to be canon, I'm sure they'll add the videos to the column.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:43, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Bree's mentioning [[Nikki Bower|Nikki]] and Nikki's exposure of Jules to be semi-reliable, I think that's at least the Creators' way of saying that Nikki is canon. As for Jules, she may not be the &quot;new girl&quot;, but she IS a canon character... Nikki (supposedly canon) acknowledged her as the &quot;ceremony girl&quot; and Bree showed a screencap of her YouTube channel in [[New Girl]]. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:58, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::When you wonder whether a certain video should be on this list, first ask yourself &quot;Is this video on the lg15.com site, in the left hand column with the Bree videos?&quot;. That's your answer; those are the videos the c's deemed &quot;required viewing&quot;. The first Oppy vid was apparently [not] considered important. As for the screencaps, they're just decorative, but if it bothers you that they include some non-required vids, we can change that too. Sorry if it's confusing. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:20, 23 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::&lt;sub&gt;'''Note:'''I added &quot;not&quot; in my post because I wrote it out from the first time. Sorry to anyone who got thrown off by that. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:42, 25 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;/sub&gt;<br /> <br /> ::::I'm sorry, OwenIsCool, but I disagree. &quot;The first Oppy vid was apparently considered important.&quot; The first OpAphid video, [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]], was not on the left-hand column and was not deemed required viewing, and it is not on this list although IT IS a canon video. I think that all CANON videos should be on this list, and canon apparently now includes Nikki Bower and Jules, unless the Creators are just playing with our heads. Tachyon and Brother are CONFIRMED CANON characters from the Creators, even though they will not be on here anymore due to Glenn's firing... but Op is still on here! ...I stand my case. --[[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:45, 25 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Whoa, there no need to get excited. Sorry, I meant that it was '''not''' considered important. That's why it was left out of the left-hand column of lg15.com, and that's why it's not on this list. I apologize for confusing you with my slip-up. This is really very simple. All we want to do with this page is replicate the left-hand column of videos on lg15.com. If you want to know why Nikki B, Jules, and Tachyon are not on there, please take it up with the Creators. It's not ''our'' call and I don't know how they determine what goes and what doesn't.<br /> <br /> Ok , I want to revisit the whole issue of including only the videos in the left column. if you notice Bree's first video isn't in the left colume, but no one would say it doesn't belong in this list. I would like to see all canon videos in the list, including all the Nikki Bower, Jules and Taylor videos. And I think that we can decide that by concensus regardless of what the creators do on the homepage. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 30 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :A couple of Bree's early videos are not on the left column because they are just not on Revver at all. This had to do with copyright issues and not whether the c's wanted them there. There's no question that all Bree videos should be there, the only reason we list them and the c's don't is because we can and they can't. It's a different issue with Oppy, Tachy, Nikki and Jules. They chose to leave those out, for their own reasons, and at LGPedia, we're just cataloging and organizing their stuff. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]<br /> <br /> ::I still disagree, OIC. I would love to see Nikki, Jules, Taylor, Tachyon, and Brother videos on this list. Or maybe Tachyon and Brother are out of the picture due to Glenn's firing? But then I would vote for removing Op's videos. The Creators can do what they want on the left-hand column, but just because they do something on the main page, that doesn't mean it can't be on here. I agree with Misty on this issue, and would like to see it [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/resolution|resolved]], so I am making a talk resolution page so we can figure out exactly what videos need to be on the list. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:13, 13 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I would just like to say that like Gemma and Jonas, Taylor's should probably be included (her pre-Canon ones) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:11, 23 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, if I checked correctly, it appears that all the characters in question have been added except for Nikki B. I really think she should be added. It is extremely clear at this point that the videos have ties to the C's. They have also helped reveal a ton of secrets about the stories you cannot get in any other videos. They help bring a broader knowledge of LG15 to a viewer who is trying to catch up, but in a way that is intricately connected to the story (she was mentioned in a Bree video!) and to the people behind the stories ([[Alli Danziger]]).... Hm, I was thinking.. maybe this page shouldn't be a list ONLY of what the C's post on the main page.. but of the videos related to the series and that should be watched to fully experience the [[Breeniverse]]. Okay yeah. I need to stop making edits at 3 am :P Hopefully this is coherant.. I'd love your thoughts though!! {{unsigned|Zoey}}<br /> <br /> :This is spectacular! I really like having a full list of canon videos instead of just repeating the information already on the front page.Anyways, I went through the list for completion and noticed that these videos weren't present. Now, granted, '''all''' of the following videos are pretty insignificant, but should they (as canon vids) be added to the list? Opinions on the following:<br /> *[[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]], by [[Bree]] (May 24th, 2006)<br /> *[[YouTubers Secret Language]], by [[Bree]] (May 26th, 2006)<br /> *[[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]], by [[Brother]] (May 30th, 2006)<br /> *[[Sparks Are Flying]], by [[Brother]] (May 30th, 2006)<br /> *[[3-2-1 Contact]], by [[Brother]] (June 1st, 2006)<br /> *[[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]], by [[War Pylol]] (August 6th, 2006)<br /> :Of course, there are reasons why all of them have not been considered; Bree's first two videos were created essentially to gain an audience; Brother's first three videos were simply of fireworks; and Warpylol's video is less than one second long. On top of that, I still don't understand if Warpylol is canon (or was he a fan that took the side of OpAphid?). Anyways, these don't contribute much to the LG15 story, but if we're creating a 'complete' list... Should they be on there? My opinion is that the three Brother videos and the one by Warpylol should be included--but not Bree's first two. Opinions? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 14:16, 8 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I added the Warpylol video to the list. I tried adding the other five videos before, but the way the formatting works made it look very strange so I didn't save it. --[[User:FH14|FH14]]<br /> ::I added the first five videos with bullets. I guess it looks okay... what does everyone else think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19:46 4 July 2007 (EST)<br /> ::: I think none of those belong, neither does the warypol video, for all the reasons Rekidk stated (up until &quot;but if we're creating a 'complete' list...&quot;). Also Waryplol is NOT cannon just like Maddie Atkins isn't, (even though NBR mentioned her). Since Rekidk apparently only conceded to having them, and there was no support for those edits, I think they should be removed for the moment, until there is clear support for them -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:21, 5 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::I have no problems listing the pre-Bree vidoes on that page, as it is a list of all canon videos, and those are included in said list. Also, Warpylol was a character created by [[Glenn Rubenstein]] to be an official part [[OpAphid]], and therefore, I see the reasoning behind adding his videos as well. A deal was struck with [[Jeromy Barber]] and Glenn, incorporating this particular Op character into the [[Maddison Atkins]] storyline later, so any videos that take place with that series should not be included, however the ones where, for instance, Warpylol is revealing the location of [[Brother]] to Op, ''should'' be included, same as we have done for all the other Glenn-made characters in the series. Just my thoughts... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:14, 6 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Agreed. Besides, Warpylol's video was included in the Brother's last video. He was also confirmed as a canon OpAphid Agent. Though is there a way to make it so the first videos can be listed normally without bullets? I tried formatting them like the others, but there was a huge gap between the section title and the videos because of the lack of a numbered video to build off of. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:40 6 July 2007 (EST)<br /> ::::::Fixed it. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:18 6 July 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> == the enormous size of this page ==<br /> <br /> Okay, so I'm at a slower computer than I'm normally at, and I just loaded up this page. It took ''89'' seconds, a minute and a half, to finish loading. I dunno, I think that's sort of a problem. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:02, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> : I brought this up a while back on lucy's balcony. The easiest fix I can think of, would be to get rid of the video expand, but renegade put a lot of work into it, so I think he should have som e say in the matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:02, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I'm on a pretty fast computer and it takes about a minute to load every time. It gets on my nerves since I'm using IE and I would ''like'' it if we got rid of the video expand, but Renegade did put a lot of work into it. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:34, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::It's interesting it's taking that long for some of you. It only takes a few seconds for me, and I don't consider my computer to be extraordinarily fast.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:19, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: the speed of the internet connection makes much more difference than the speed of the computer -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:36, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::I have Verizon FiOS which is supposed to be almost as fast as Comcast High Speed, and everything else loads super quick, but this page takes about a minute. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::well I don't want to step on renagades toes, but it seems we have concensus here to remove the video expand. if anyone come back with a complaint we can always revert. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:09, 15 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> well it seems like this page still takes a really long time to load. who thinks we need to do another redesign that uses less images than the current montage. Perhaps 1 per story arc. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I don't know . . . sure it occasionally take me a while to load (FYI, I do use IE) I like how the current list is roughly equal to the picture montage (It was actually kinda short, but someone just plugged in the Tachyon/Brother vids, so now its really close). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:37, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: if you look at the discussion below, you'll see that that's another problem, the montage doesn't is either too short in IE and Safari, or too long in Firefox and camino. so we have one more reason to get rid of it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:43, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::I object to removing the montage. I think it gives a great overview of the story in picture form that we don't have anywhere else. I think it looks really good on the page. As far as the browser difficulties, perhaps there is a way to work around it. I would just hate to see the montage go for that reason.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:56, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: ok how about a more limited montage with fewer pics. I created it on [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign]] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:11, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I saw the redesign, and honestly the pictures there don't flow as well as they currently do. BDJ &amp; Co. have been through A LOT in the past year, and I like how the current list reflects it as such. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:10, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: If you don't like the limited montage what is the alternative that you propose? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:10, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::: Now that the videxpand template was removed this page loads pretty fast for me. The alignment problems aren't fixed by switching to a single column montage, so we might as well keep the double column. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:42, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::: So do we have consensus that the speed is acceptable? The montage needs to be updated since the addition of the NBR videos, but before i do that I need to know we have consensus to keep it the way it is. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Line-Height problem ==<br /> <br /> In order for this page to look right we need to keep the line-height the same in all browsers. I've trid to specify the line height in various ways, but I always get more pixels per line in gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino, etc) than I do in other browsers (Safari, IE, etc). Currently I have line-height specified at 20px. Does anyone know how to make the line height the same for all browsers?<br /> :While there seems to be a known bug of sorts with IE and line-height (surprise!), are you sure, in this case, that it's not due to IE's different way of calculating height? 'cause, technically, I don't think the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s below each other count as a paragraph of text...they should be a bunch of formatted child objects of &amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;. Chances are that line-height would affect the line-height of the text written within the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s, i.e. not the space between the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s, but the space between multiple lines written within any particular &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;.<br /> <br /> :...which, of course, creates a new problem: There is no use setting a fixed margin, 'cause [http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_box_model/ IE renders the height differently] - you'd have to hack it (examples under the same link).<br /> <br /> :That's my guess, anyway.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:36, 16 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::In this case it's a Gecko bug.Currently the line spacing is set to match the montage on Gecko browsers, but be offf on every other browser. Should we change it to match the spacing of IE, Safari, and most other Browsers, or Keep it to match only the Gecko Browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:11, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How exactly is this a Gecko bug, or rather: What is bugged? What exactly does FF do differently than IE? Where do the extra pixels come from? (Maybe we can find a workaround.)<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:43, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::: gecko adds an extra pixel to text objects such as list items. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Since it doesn't loook like there is a solution to the discrepensy, we need consensus for aligning to gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino, Seamonkey) or non gecko browsers (IE, Safari, Opera). Does anyone have an opinoion? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> === fixed ===<br /> ok after spending the whole weekend working on it I managed to make a version of this page that lined up the same in every browser. this is in complliance with the new Browser Neutrality Policy -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:35, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Ooh, good job! When I view it, though, there is a lot of blank space around each of the images. I kind of prefered when the images were closer together, it made it look more like a collage. There seems to be a bit too much blank space now, IMO. Can this be fixed and still kept &quot;browser neutral&quot;? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: Zoey, In all the browsers I tested it on, the Blank space was lerr than before. I can shrink it down more, but I'm curious how it looks on your browser, can you post a screenshot somewhere? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:12, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ok after spending 45 minutes googling it I managed to make a version of a single tag on this page that lined up everything the same in both browsers. this in in complliance with the goddamn idea that each pixel should have the same place in every browser ever coded into existence.<br /> <br /> Oh, did I mention the page doesn't render correctly in lynx? Guess we'll have to strip it down to text-only...browser neutrality and all...<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:06, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :&lt;small&gt;Edit: Oh and for the record, Misty: It was ''not'' a Gecko-bug. If you compare revisions, the line height changed minimally for FF (purely because I guessed the value rather than calculating it), but changed dramatically for IE.&lt;/small&gt;<br /> ::Renagade good job, that was a great find, but it only makes Gecko Browsers (FF,Camino,Epiphany, etc) and Trident Browsers( IE, AOL,etc) line up, but Webkit browsers (Safari,Omniweb,Swiftt, etc) don't. Before Safari and IE lined up. but FF didn't. So this is what happened. Gecko does add an extra pixel to list items, that Trident and Webkit don't. Trident accepts non-standard line-height 150% that Gecko and Webkit don't. so you compensated for a Gecko bug by exploiting a Trident bug, but now Webkit browsers which don't have either bug are not aligned. The reason I made the changes I did was that I started with Safari and Firefox, and tried to get rid of the extra pixel in FF, then only checked my when in IE when I was done, since i knew EI and safari had lined up before. So since you now made it so that IE and FF both have the extra pixel, can you find a way to get Safari to have it too? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:16, 17 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Clickable Pics ==<br /> <br /> If no one objects, I think that each of those awesome pictures should redirect to the blog that they're from. (I found myself trying to navigate by clicking them...) I'm gonna start in on doing this. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 18:37, 21 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I think that's a good idea. We've been doing that with other pages like [[Notable Details]] so it makes sense to do it here too.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]]<br /> :: go for it -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Please do, I don't know how many times I've tried to click them. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 02:14, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == story Arcs ==<br /> <br /> I reverted the Bree Poster child heading because the story is really in the same arc as when Bree surrendered, the fact that she appeared on an order video didn't shift the direction of the story: we are still resolving the events of her surrender. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === &quot;Getting Bree Back&quot; ===<br /> <br /> I would vote that this &quot;arc&quot; title be changed, as they didn't really effectively get her back. &quot;The Rescue Attempt&quot; or something like it might be better, IMO. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 02:21, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Maybe &quot;Wanting Bree&quot; to describe how they wanted her back as well as the now-clear feelings Jonas has for Bree? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:24, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::&quot;Wanting Bree Back&quot;, perhaps?--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 23 June 2007<br /> ::: it's not important whether they actually succeeded, the arc is about trying to get Bree back, so the title is appropriate. of course if someone could come up with a more interesting title for the arc I'd support changing it. Wanting Bree, and &quot;Wanting bree back&quot; are Lame titles. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:08, 1 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Ouch, misty, there's no need to insult people. If you don't like something, say so, but please do so in a kinder fashion. What about &quot;Found and Lost&quot; (kind of a play on Lost and Found)? I also like Jbshryne's &quot;The Rescue Attempt&quot;. I agree that &quot;Getting Bree Back&quot; doesn't quite fit, because she's never truly &quot;back&quot; at any point in the arc. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 12:48, 2 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::I like both JBshryne and Truncatedslinky's ideas.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> :::::: I wasn't trying to be insulting, but I think that,there needs to be a sense of style around here, and it seems sometimes that means being less literal, also in TV a story arc, is describe by the focus of the recurring theme, and not on the outcome. For example the story Arc for this years season of {{Template:Wikipedia|Doctor_Who|Doctor Who}} is still called {{Template:Wikipedia|Story_arcs_in_Doctor_Who#Mr_Saxon|Mr_Saxon}}, even though we discover in the end, that Mr Saxon was really the Doctors Nemesis {{Template:Wikipedia|Master_%28Doctor_Who%29|The Master}}-[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:47, 5 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === The Gilman Files ===<br /> Let's change the name from &quot;In search of the Gilmans , to The Gilman Files. We already have the search for Jules, and it wouldn't be very creative to have a bunce of search for [xxx], titles. The Gilman Files, kind of has a feel like kind the X-files, and is very fitting for this arc. Any objections? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:42, 7 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Sounds pretty cool, and since the goal is to find a cure for Bree using a certain compound formula (and not just finding a new buddy), it sounds great. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:02, 7 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === The Documents ===<br /> Should we change &quot;The Trait Negative Papers&quot; to The Documents? Or something like &quot;Spencer Reaches Out&quot; or something like that? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:53, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I put that in as sort of a place holder, until we really find out where this arc goes. I considered something with &quot;documents&quot;, but I thought it was kind of too similar sounding to &quot;files&quot;, which is now in the previous arc's title. I like the idea of including Spencer in the title. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:24, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: I don't see jhow this is a new story arc, we are still dealing with the same thing, i suspect , tat the are about to figure what the way to mae Breee trit negative is, then we can start a new story arc. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:13, 13 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === Mourning Over Bree ===<br /> I seriously think that Mourning OVER Bree would work as a better story arc. I'll change it as soon as I get the okay from someone. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|3:31 PM}}<br /> :Hmmm . . . it's a good idea, especially as &quot;Mourning Bree&quot; could lead to the false idea that it's Bree who's mourning. But personally I don't mind either way. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:44, 7 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == KateModern Vids ==<br /> <br /> Should we add [[KateModern]] videos to this list or will we make a page called [[List of KateModern videos]]?<br /> :Given that we were expressedly asked to make changes to the LGPedia to seperate LGPedia from a KMPedia, I think it'd be contraproductive to put the videos on the same list.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:25, 13 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Season 2 ==<br /> <br /> I think when season 2 starts we should move the current page to List of Lonelygirl15 videos/season1 and ut a list on a new list of videos page for season 2. the page would look the same but we would the list and the montage from the first seaon 2 video. What does everyone think -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:27, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I really like that idea.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 03:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::No, that would make it too complicated to get to Season 2 videos. Especially since this main page is linked to on the navigation sidebar. I think that we should just separate this page into a Season 1 section and a Season 2 section. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:27, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :i think that's a good idea; i was just thinking of it myself. the list is already too long, and any way to shorten it and organize it better would be worth the effort. --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 23:02, 14 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::the list is kinda daunting. i think we might put only current season vids on this page, and convert the old season info into a season one list page, with prominent linkage available from the top of the current season page? Just a thought. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 01:04, 15 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Judging by the issues we're about to have with the Initials [[Template talk:Init#A future problem|(talked about here)]], we may have to finally split this page into two (sigh) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:14, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Okay, Zoey just created List of Lonelygirl15 videos/season1 &amp; List of Lonelygirl15 videos/season2. Discuss! :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Wtf? The latest season should stay on the root page. -_^<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Hmm, good point . . . I forgot to mention that the pages I posted above are merely beta-pages in testing. Still, I do think current season vids would get the proper spotlight. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 12:17, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::looks good to me, and i agree season 2 should be the root page. it would be cool if we had a &quot;season one&quot; and &quot;season two&quot; graphic to put near the top as well. just a thought, not something i can do. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 13:00, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I would've &quot;prettified&quot; it anyway...I was thinking something along the lines of &quot;Season 1 &amp;rarr;&quot; &amp;amp; &quot;&amp;larr; Season 2&quot;, if you know what I mean.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:26, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::(my attempt to understand, sorry if I'm being slow), you mean you want two video columns? If so, how do you keep the video montage??--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:33, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Your indention is lacking.<br /> ::::::No, I ment I'd put &quot;Season X [Arrow]&quot; links on the top and bottom of the respective season pages, instead of this rather boring notice.<br /> :::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:15, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Sorry, I guess I should clarify that season2 was intended to go on the current &quot;main page&quot; of videos, I just didn't want to put it up until we had the okay. It sounds like we've got the okay though? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:06, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == This needs to be rolled back. Quickly. ==<br /> <br /> Just leaving a note here to catch those who usually don't visit the balcony.<br /> Please refer to [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#Browser neutrality or Official Browser|my comment there]].<br /> <br /> The listing is simply ''wrong'' the way it is now. (''And'' butt-ugly.)<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Ok I rolled it back so we can discuss it more. But it totally can't see your objection. What about it is Butt-ugly? It looks almost the same except the line numbers and the vertical spacing. The font face and the font size is identical to before, the general layout hasn't changed. True, the TOC uses stars instead of boxes, and the recently added horizontal line under is gone, but besides that, it's the same. [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:57, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Renagade is just being bully, there is no reason to roll this back. It looks much better the way you did it and Zoey like it. What more do we need? {{unsigned|203.22.204.187}}<br /> <br /> :Nice try to destroy my link there to distort my argumentation, so nobody sees how I made quite clear ''the neutral version is factually wrong.''<br /> :Also, posting unsigned doesn't add any weight to your opinion, sockpuppet.<br /> :As for &quot;what more do we need?&quot; - Factual accuracy, maintainable code, and visual appeal.<br /> :[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#Browser neutrality or Official Browser|'''Link to argumentation restored.''']]<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:00, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Whoever 203.22.204.187 is, I don't think they deliberately meant to destroy your link. It just seems that all their edits result in apostrophe characters, &quot; ' &quot;, being replaced with &quot; \' &quot; automatically. This affected other comments on this page too which I have reverted. I'm not convinced anyone is trying to distort your argument using a sockpuppet, but I'll keep an eye on it. Please don't rush to accuse. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 16:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Renumbering ==<br /> <br /> Okay, it seems that with the site upgrade came new numbering for these videos. It's not a huge deal, but the numbers are inconsistent with the left-hand side of the lonelygirl15 site, and it shouldn't take too much work to fix them. I guess I'll go ahead and see if I can get that done now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:48, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :On second thought, I'm going to wait a little bit, to see if there are any objections. I always hate when people do things like this without asking first, so I'll give it until morning I think (unless someone beats me to it).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:50, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::From what I've seen so far of the new list, the new numbers are only there because they don't recognize the &quot;potential-right-infingement&quot; videos like ''Dorkiness Prevails''. The new list acts as if ''Purple Monkey'' was the first video when it wasn't. If I remember correctly, the old Revver version actually skipped those respective video numbers. I say don't change and just have a note at the top that explains the issue.--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:56, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Hi, maybe we can list videos that aren't listed on the official site, but don't give them a number? And also, videos such as the Cassie ones have their own number now, the list should be changed to reflect that? I don't have any objections, I was about to do the same when I saw the lists were inconsistent with eachother :) [[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 05:09, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Remember me?== <br /> <br /> Should that really be in the list of lonelygirl15 videos for season two? I mean, OpAphid isn't even a part of lonelygirl15 anymore, That video is a part of The Madison Atkins ARG series. So ... i don't really know if it should be listed here.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:58, 9 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :The pre-canon OpAphid videos are on this list, and I assume that post-canon videos should be on here as well. I'd say it's safe to put [[Remember Me?]] on the video list, but not as an official video. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::pre-canon OpAphid vids were incorporated into official canon through the decision to make OpAphid official; by now, OpAphid has officially been declared ''unofficial'', so the post-canon vids are no different from any other fanfic, whereas pre-canon vids have the same status as [[My Name Is Jonas]], for example - they do not fall within the &quot;canon period&quot; of the character, but they provide the background of the canon-story. They are canon, but not part of the storyline.<br /> <br /> ::I might add that this is not just my personal opinion, but [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=List_of_Lonelygirl15_videos&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=65063 Zoey's official decree].<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:44, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::I see your (&amp; Zoey's) point. Thanks for the info! &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:39, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Renumbering issue ==<br /> <br /> I indeed have an issue with the renumbering. Pre-canon OpAphid videos have a number, but official LG15 ones don't? I'd say that the Creators are just having a hard time programming the new site. Surely this couldn't be what they meant to do. These edits need to be reverted, unless anyone disagrees with me? This is urgent; I can't stand to see the LG LoV like this. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:45, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I have reverted the renumbering for now, on the basis that a) I could find no reference where the new numbers are coming from, and b) such a change forces us to update a large number of video pages (magnitude depending on where the numbers start to change), so it needs to be discussed before a decision is made.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:35, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I think the creators know what they're doing with the videos, and if they want to give certain videos numbers, then so be it. But whatever, what does my opinion matter. [[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]]<br /> <br /> ::::The problem is not your opinion, the problem is you started renumbering from episode one onwards - that means, with your numbering, we'd have to ''manually update over 260 video pages''.<br /> ::::That's a too big decision to have one person make it alone in a quick edit.<br /> ::::Not to mention that, given the incompetence shown during the site restructuring, I wouldn't be so sure about the Creators knowing what they're doing.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:55, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Taylor==<br /> I really think there should be atleast one picture of Taylor on this page since she has appeared in this season. I didn't want to do it myself since it's such a major page but I was thinking maybe the one from [[Gross Guy]] since she looks so darn cute in it. Anyway, kind of looks like a job for [[user:Zoey|Zoey]] to me!~[[user:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> :I'm sure a picture of Taylor will end up on the page eventually but I don't think there have been any stand-out pics of her so far this season. Doesn't she look a bit blank rather than cute in the loo pic? However, if everyone insists then maybe I can remove [[Image:0270-EmmaSmilingOnBed.jpg|60px]], move all the others below up one place and then add [[Image:0279-TaylorOnTheLoo.JPG|60px]] &amp; [[Image:0286-EmmaHappy.jpg|50px]] to the end. (I prefer the Emma Happy pic to the Emma Smiling pic. Her face is better lit.) [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 20:49, 20 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I agree, I like Emma Happy more than Emma Smiling as well. Personally that pic of Taylor is my favorite, but maybe we can put it up for now and hope for a better one? It's really up to you admin guys, just wanted to throw out a suggestion :). ~[[user:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> <br /> == &quot;Safe for the Steal??&quot; ==<br /> <br /> I don't know what that means. Is there some pun I'm missing? If not, I propose a less confusing title for this story arc... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:59, 16 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :As per usual, I agree with [[User:Jbshryne|JB]], I don't understand it either. ~[[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> ::It refers to Sonia, Daniel, and Jonas stealing the trait positive Ceremony Baby from the adoptive HoO couple. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:04, 27 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Hmm, well I'm glad it's changed anyway. [[User:Nancypants|Nancy]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_lonelygirl15_videos/Season_3&diff=98298 2008-01-17T21:27:29Z

<p>Rekidk: /* Adding Nikki Bower and Jules */</p> <hr /> <div>For older discussions see [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/archive]].<br /> <br /> <br /> == Adding WatchYourJack ==<br /> <br /> M'kay. The Creators have officially confirmed themselves as the creators of [[WatchYourJack]]. He has not only been mentioned, but has had clips of video in two official videos. Now, the Creators have said that following his storyline is not essential to following the storyline of LG15... But didn't they say that about OpAphid, too? <br /> <br /> My question: should WatchYourJack videos be added to the official video list? IMHO, we should be including them. They've been repeatedly referenced by the Breeniverse and are arguably more official than, say, Nikki B's videos. (Of course, they wouldn't get their own numbers, they'd be added a la precanon or Nikki B vids.) This video list is more than just a carbon copy of LG15.com's video list; it's a complete collection of all videos in the LG15 canon, sub-canon (eg. Nikki B) and pre-canon (Jules's videos, etc.).<br /> <br /> Opinions? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 15:27, 17 January 2008 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Adding Nikki Bower and Jules ==<br /> <br /> Ok so it look like Nikki bower is clearly Canon now, as is Jules. Do they belong in this list? They aren't in the left colum yet, but I think that is an oversight by the webmaster, since they are a necessary part of the story -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:35, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I doubt it's an oversight, more of a way to keep us guessing. I still think we should stick with our rule about videos being in the left column. If they both turn out to be canon, I'm sure they'll add the videos to the column.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:43, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Bree's mentioning [[Nikki Bower|Nikki]] and Nikki's exposure of Jules to be semi-reliable, I think that's at least the Creators' way of saying that Nikki is canon. As for Jules, she may not be the &quot;new girl&quot;, but she IS a canon character... Nikki (supposedly canon) acknowledged her as the &quot;ceremony girl&quot; and Bree showed a screencap of her YouTube channel in [[New Girl]]. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:58, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::When you wonder whether a certain video should be on this list, first ask yourself &quot;Is this video on the lg15.com site, in the left hand column with the Bree videos?&quot;. That's your answer; those are the videos the c's deemed &quot;required viewing&quot;. The first Oppy vid was apparently [not] considered important. As for the screencaps, they're just decorative, but if it bothers you that they include some non-required vids, we can change that too. Sorry if it's confusing. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:20, 23 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::&lt;sub&gt;'''Note:'''I added &quot;not&quot; in my post because I wrote it out from the first time. Sorry to anyone who got thrown off by that. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:42, 25 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;/sub&gt;<br /> <br /> ::::I'm sorry, OwenIsCool, but I disagree. &quot;The first Oppy vid was apparently considered important.&quot; The first OpAphid video, [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]], was not on the left-hand column and was not deemed required viewing, and it is not on this list although IT IS a canon video. I think that all CANON videos should be on this list, and canon apparently now includes Nikki Bower and Jules, unless the Creators are just playing with our heads. Tachyon and Brother are CONFIRMED CANON characters from the Creators, even though they will not be on here anymore due to Glenn's firing... but Op is still on here! ...I stand my case. --[[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:45, 25 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Whoa, there no need to get excited. Sorry, I meant that it was '''not''' considered important. That's why it was left out of the left-hand column of lg15.com, and that's why it's not on this list. I apologize for confusing you with my slip-up. This is really very simple. All we want to do with this page is replicate the left-hand column of videos on lg15.com. If you want to know why Nikki B, Jules, and Tachyon are not on there, please take it up with the Creators. It's not ''our'' call and I don't know how they determine what goes and what doesn't.<br /> <br /> Ok , I want to revisit the whole issue of including only the videos in the left column. if you notice Bree's first video isn't in the left colume, but no one would say it doesn't belong in this list. I would like to see all canon videos in the list, including all the Nikki Bower, Jules and Taylor videos. And I think that we can decide that by concensus regardless of what the creators do on the homepage. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 30 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :A couple of Bree's early videos are not on the left column because they are just not on Revver at all. This had to do with copyright issues and not whether the c's wanted them there. There's no question that all Bree videos should be there, the only reason we list them and the c's don't is because we can and they can't. It's a different issue with Oppy, Tachy, Nikki and Jules. They chose to leave those out, for their own reasons, and at LGPedia, we're just cataloging and organizing their stuff. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]<br /> <br /> ::I still disagree, OIC. I would love to see Nikki, Jules, Taylor, Tachyon, and Brother videos on this list. Or maybe Tachyon and Brother are out of the picture due to Glenn's firing? But then I would vote for removing Op's videos. The Creators can do what they want on the left-hand column, but just because they do something on the main page, that doesn't mean it can't be on here. I agree with Misty on this issue, and would like to see it [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/resolution|resolved]], so I am making a talk resolution page so we can figure out exactly what videos need to be on the list. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:13, 13 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I would just like to say that like Gemma and Jonas, Taylor's should probably be included (her pre-Canon ones) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:11, 23 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, if I checked correctly, it appears that all the characters in question have been added except for Nikki B. I really think she should be added. It is extremely clear at this point that the videos have ties to the C's. They have also helped reveal a ton of secrets about the stories you cannot get in any other videos. They help bring a broader knowledge of LG15 to a viewer who is trying to catch up, but in a way that is intricately connected to the story (she was mentioned in a Bree video!) and to the people behind the stories ([[Alli Danziger]]).... Hm, I was thinking.. maybe this page shouldn't be a list ONLY of what the C's post on the main page.. but of the videos related to the series and that should be watched to fully experience the [[Breeniverse]]. Okay yeah. I need to stop making edits at 3 am :P Hopefully this is coherant.. I'd love your thoughts though!! {{unsigned|Zoey}}<br /> <br /> :This is spectacular! I really like having a full list of canon videos instead of just repeating the information already on the front page.Anyways, I went through the list for completion and noticed that these videos weren't present. Now, granted, '''all''' of the following videos are pretty insignificant, but should they (as canon vids) be added to the list? Opinions on the following:<br /> *[[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]], by [[Bree]] (May 24th, 2006)<br /> *[[YouTubers Secret Language]], by [[Bree]] (May 26th, 2006)<br /> *[[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]], by [[Brother]] (May 30th, 2006)<br /> *[[Sparks Are Flying]], by [[Brother]] (May 30th, 2006)<br /> *[[3-2-1 Contact]], by [[Brother]] (June 1st, 2006)<br /> *[[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]], by [[War Pylol]] (August 6th, 2006)<br /> :Of course, there are reasons why all of them have not been considered; Bree's first two videos were created essentially to gain an audience; Brother's first three videos were simply of fireworks; and Warpylol's video is less than one second long. On top of that, I still don't understand if Warpylol is canon (or was he a fan that took the side of OpAphid?). Anyways, these don't contribute much to the LG15 story, but if we're creating a 'complete' list... Should they be on there? My opinion is that the three Brother videos and the one by Warpylol should be included--but not Bree's first two. Opinions? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 14:16, 8 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I added the Warpylol video to the list. I tried adding the other five videos before, but the way the formatting works made it look very strange so I didn't save it. --[[User:FH14|FH14]]<br /> ::I added the first five videos with bullets. I guess it looks okay... what does everyone else think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19:46 4 July 2007 (EST)<br /> ::: I think none of those belong, neither does the warypol video, for all the reasons Rekidk stated (up until &quot;but if we're creating a 'complete' list...&quot;). Also Waryplol is NOT cannon just like Maddie Atkins isn't, (even though NBR mentioned her). Since Rekidk apparently only conceded to having them, and there was no support for those edits, I think they should be removed for the moment, until there is clear support for them -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:21, 5 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::I have no problems listing the pre-Bree vidoes on that page, as it is a list of all canon videos, and those are included in said list. Also, Warpylol was a character created by [[Glenn Rubenstein]] to be an official part [[OpAphid]], and therefore, I see the reasoning behind adding his videos as well. A deal was struck with [[Jeromy Barber]] and Glenn, incorporating this particular Op character into the [[Maddison Atkins]] storyline later, so any videos that take place with that series should not be included, however the ones where, for instance, Warpylol is revealing the location of [[Brother]] to Op, ''should'' be included, same as we have done for all the other Glenn-made characters in the series. Just my thoughts... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:14, 6 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Agreed. Besides, Warpylol's video was included in the Brother's last video. He was also confirmed as a canon OpAphid Agent. Though is there a way to make it so the first videos can be listed normally without bullets? I tried formatting them like the others, but there was a huge gap between the section title and the videos because of the lack of a numbered video to build off of. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:40 6 July 2007 (EST)<br /> ::::::Fixed it. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:18 6 July 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> == the enormous size of this page ==<br /> <br /> Okay, so I'm at a slower computer than I'm normally at, and I just loaded up this page. It took ''89'' seconds, a minute and a half, to finish loading. I dunno, I think that's sort of a problem. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:02, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> : I brought this up a while back on lucy's balcony. The easiest fix I can think of, would be to get rid of the video expand, but renegade put a lot of work into it, so I think he should have som e say in the matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:02, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I'm on a pretty fast computer and it takes about a minute to load every time. It gets on my nerves since I'm using IE and I would ''like'' it if we got rid of the video expand, but Renegade did put a lot of work into it. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:34, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::It's interesting it's taking that long for some of you. It only takes a few seconds for me, and I don't consider my computer to be extraordinarily fast.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:19, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: the speed of the internet connection makes much more difference than the speed of the computer -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:36, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::I have Verizon FiOS which is supposed to be almost as fast as Comcast High Speed, and everything else loads super quick, but this page takes about a minute. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::well I don't want to step on renagades toes, but it seems we have concensus here to remove the video expand. if anyone come back with a complaint we can always revert. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:09, 15 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> well it seems like this page still takes a really long time to load. who thinks we need to do another redesign that uses less images than the current montage. Perhaps 1 per story arc. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I don't know . . . sure it occasionally take me a while to load (FYI, I do use IE) I like how the current list is roughly equal to the picture montage (It was actually kinda short, but someone just plugged in the Tachyon/Brother vids, so now its really close). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:37, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: if you look at the discussion below, you'll see that that's another problem, the montage doesn't is either too short in IE and Safari, or too long in Firefox and camino. so we have one more reason to get rid of it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:43, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::I object to removing the montage. I think it gives a great overview of the story in picture form that we don't have anywhere else. I think it looks really good on the page. As far as the browser difficulties, perhaps there is a way to work around it. I would just hate to see the montage go for that reason.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:56, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: ok how about a more limited montage with fewer pics. I created it on [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign]] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:11, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I saw the redesign, and honestly the pictures there don't flow as well as they currently do. BDJ &amp; Co. have been through A LOT in the past year, and I like how the current list reflects it as such. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:10, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: If you don't like the limited montage what is the alternative that you propose? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:10, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::: Now that the videxpand template was removed this page loads pretty fast for me. The alignment problems aren't fixed by switching to a single column montage, so we might as well keep the double column. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:42, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::: So do we have consensus that the speed is acceptable? The montage needs to be updated since the addition of the NBR videos, but before i do that I need to know we have consensus to keep it the way it is. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Line-Height problem ==<br /> <br /> In order for this page to look right we need to keep the line-height the same in all browsers. I've trid to specify the line height in various ways, but I always get more pixels per line in gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino, etc) than I do in other browsers (Safari, IE, etc). Currently I have line-height specified at 20px. Does anyone know how to make the line height the same for all browsers?<br /> :While there seems to be a known bug of sorts with IE and line-height (surprise!), are you sure, in this case, that it's not due to IE's different way of calculating height? 'cause, technically, I don't think the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s below each other count as a paragraph of text...they should be a bunch of formatted child objects of &amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;. Chances are that line-height would affect the line-height of the text written within the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s, i.e. not the space between the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s, but the space between multiple lines written within any particular &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;.<br /> <br /> :...which, of course, creates a new problem: There is no use setting a fixed margin, 'cause [http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_box_model/ IE renders the height differently] - you'd have to hack it (examples under the same link).<br /> <br /> :That's my guess, anyway.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:36, 16 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::In this case it's a Gecko bug.Currently the line spacing is set to match the montage on Gecko browsers, but be offf on every other browser. Should we change it to match the spacing of IE, Safari, and most other Browsers, or Keep it to match only the Gecko Browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:11, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How exactly is this a Gecko bug, or rather: What is bugged? What exactly does FF do differently than IE? Where do the extra pixels come from? (Maybe we can find a workaround.)<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:43, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::: gecko adds an extra pixel to text objects such as list items. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Since it doesn't loook like there is a solution to the discrepensy, we need consensus for aligning to gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino, Seamonkey) or non gecko browsers (IE, Safari, Opera). Does anyone have an opinoion? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> === fixed ===<br /> ok after spending the whole weekend working on it I managed to make a version of this page that lined up the same in every browser. this is in complliance with the new Browser Neutrality Policy -[[User:Misty|misty]] 01:35, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Ooh, good job! When I view it, though, there is a lot of blank space around each of the images. I kind of prefered when the images were closer together, it made it look more like a collage. There seems to be a bit too much blank space now, IMO. Can this be fixed and still kept &quot;browser neutral&quot;? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:02, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: Zoey, In all the browsers I tested it on, the Blank space was lerr than before. I can shrink it down more, but I'm curious how it looks on your browser, can you post a screenshot somewhere? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:12, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ok after spending 45 minutes googling it I managed to make a version of a single tag on this page that lined up everything the same in both browsers. this in in complliance with the goddamn idea that each pixel should have the same place in every browser ever coded into existence.<br /> <br /> Oh, did I mention the page doesn't render correctly in lynx? Guess we'll have to strip it down to text-only...browser neutrality and all...<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:06, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :&lt;small&gt;Edit: Oh and for the record, Misty: It was ''not'' a Gecko-bug. If you compare revisions, the line height changed minimally for FF (purely because I guessed the value rather than calculating it), but changed dramatically for IE.&lt;/small&gt;<br /> ::Renagade good job, that was a great find, but it only makes Gecko Browsers (FF,Camino,Epiphany, etc) and Trident Browsers( IE, AOL,etc) line up, but Webkit browsers (Safari,Omniweb,Swiftt, etc) don't. Before Safari and IE lined up. but FF didn't. So this is what happened. Gecko does add an extra pixel to list items, that Trident and Webkit don't. Trident accepts non-standard line-height 150% that Gecko and Webkit don't. so you compensated for a Gecko bug by exploiting a Trident bug, but now Webkit browsers which don't have either bug are not aligned. The reason I made the changes I did was that I started with Safari and Firefox, and tried to get rid of the extra pixel in FF, then only checked my when in IE when I was done, since i knew EI and safari had lined up before. So since you now made it so that IE and FF both have the extra pixel, can you find a way to get Safari to have it too? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:16, 17 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Clickable Pics ==<br /> <br /> If no one objects, I think that each of those awesome pictures should redirect to the blog that they're from. (I found myself trying to navigate by clicking them...) I'm gonna start in on doing this. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 18:37, 21 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I think that's a good idea. We've been doing that with other pages like [[Notable Details]] so it makes sense to do it here too.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]]<br /> :: go for it -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Please do, I don't know how many times I've tried to click them. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 02:14, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == story Arcs ==<br /> <br /> I reverted the Bree Poster child heading because the story is really in the same arc as when Bree surrendered, the fact that she appeared on an order video didn't shift the direction of the story: we are still resolving the events of her surrender. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === &quot;Getting Bree Back&quot; ===<br /> <br /> I would vote that this &quot;arc&quot; title be changed, as they didn't really effectively get her back. &quot;The Rescue Attempt&quot; or something like it might be better, IMO. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;]]''' 02:21, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Maybe &quot;Wanting Bree&quot; to describe how they wanted her back as well as the now-clear feelings Jonas has for Bree? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:24, 21 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::&quot;Wanting Bree Back&quot;, perhaps?--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 23 June 2007<br /> ::: it's not important whether they actually succeeded, the arc is about trying to get Bree back, so the title is appropriate. of course if someone could come up with a more interesting title for the arc I'd support changing it. Wanting Bree, and &quot;Wanting bree back&quot; are Lame titles. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:08, 1 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Ouch, misty, there's no need to insult people. If you don't like something, say so, but please do so in a kinder fashion. What about &quot;Found and Lost&quot; (kind of a play on Lost and Found)? I also like Jbshryne's &quot;The Rescue Attempt&quot;. I agree that &quot;Getting Bree Back&quot; doesn't quite fit, because she's never truly &quot;back&quot; at any point in the arc. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 12:48, 2 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::I like both JBshryne and Truncatedslinky's ideas.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]<br /> :::::: I wasn't trying to be insulting, but I think that,there needs to be a sense of style around here, and it seems sometimes that means being less literal, also in TV a story arc, is describe by the focus of the recurring theme, and not on the outcome. For example the story Arc for this years season of {{Template:Wikipedia|Doctor_Who|Doctor Who}} is still called {{Template:Wikipedia|Story_arcs_in_Doctor_Who#Mr_Saxon|Mr_Saxon}}, even though we discover in the end, that Mr Saxon was really the Doctors Nemesis {{Template:Wikipedia|Master_%28Doctor_Who%29|The Master}}-[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:47, 5 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === The Gilman Files ===<br /> Let's change the name from &quot;In search of the Gilmans , to The Gilman Files. We already have the search for Jules, and it wouldn't be very creative to have a bunce of search for [xxx], titles. The Gilman Files, kind of has a feel like kind the X-files, and is very fitting for this arc. Any objections? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:42, 7 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Sounds pretty cool, and since the goal is to find a cure for Bree using a certain compound formula (and not just finding a new buddy), it sounds great. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:02, 7 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === The Documents ===<br /> Should we change &quot;The Trait Negative Papers&quot; to The Documents? Or something like &quot;Spencer Reaches Out&quot; or something like that? Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:53, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I put that in as sort of a place holder, until we really find out where this arc goes. I considered something with &quot;documents&quot;, but I thought it was kind of too similar sounding to &quot;files&quot;, which is now in the previous arc's title. I like the idea of including Spencer in the title. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:24, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: I don't see jhow this is a new story arc, we are still dealing with the same thing, i suspect , tat the are about to figure what the way to mae Breee trit negative is, then we can start a new story arc. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:13, 13 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> === Mourning Over Bree ===<br /> I seriously think that Mourning OVER Bree would work as a better story arc. I'll change it as soon as I get the okay from someone. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|3:31 PM}}<br /> :Hmmm . . . it's a good idea, especially as &quot;Mourning Bree&quot; could lead to the false idea that it's Bree who's mourning. But personally I don't mind either way. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:44, 7 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == KateModern Vids ==<br /> <br /> Should we add [[KateModern]] videos to this list or will we make a page called [[List of KateModern videos]]?<br /> :Given that we were expressedly asked to make changes to the LGPedia to seperate LGPedia from a KMPedia, I think it'd be contraproductive to put the videos on the same list.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:25, 13 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Season 2 ==<br /> <br /> I think when season 2 starts we should move the current page to List of Lonelygirl15 videos/season1 and ut a list on a new list of videos page for season 2. the page would look the same but we would the list and the montage from the first seaon 2 video. What does everyone think -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:27, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I really like that idea.--[[user:jeans|jeans]] 03:26, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::No, that would make it too complicated to get to Season 2 videos. Especially since this main page is linked to on the navigation sidebar. I think that we should just separate this page into a Season 1 section and a Season 2 section. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:27, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :i think that's a good idea; i was just thinking of it myself. the list is already too long, and any way to shorten it and organize it better would be worth the effort. --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 23:02, 14 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::the list is kinda daunting. i think we might put only current season vids on this page, and convert the old season info into a season one list page, with prominent linkage available from the top of the current season page? Just a thought. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 01:04, 15 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Judging by the issues we're about to have with the Initials [[Template talk:Init#A future problem|(talked about here)]], we may have to finally split this page into two (sigh) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:14, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Okay, Zoey just created List of Lonelygirl15 videos/season1 &amp; List of Lonelygirl15 videos/season2. Discuss! :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 00:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Wtf? The latest season should stay on the root page. -_^<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Hmm, good point . . . I forgot to mention that the pages I posted above are merely beta-pages in testing. Still, I do think current season vids would get the proper spotlight. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 12:17, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::looks good to me, and i agree season 2 should be the root page. it would be cool if we had a &quot;season one&quot; and &quot;season two&quot; graphic to put near the top as well. just a thought, not something i can do. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 13:00, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I would've &quot;prettified&quot; it anyway...I was thinking something along the lines of &quot;Season 1 &amp;rarr;&quot; &amp;amp; &quot;&amp;larr; Season 2&quot;, if you know what I mean.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:26, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::(my attempt to understand, sorry if I'm being slow), you mean you want two video columns? If so, how do you keep the video montage??--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:33, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::Your indention is lacking.<br /> ::::::No, I ment I'd put &quot;Season X [Arrow]&quot; links on the top and bottom of the respective season pages, instead of this rather boring notice.<br /> :::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:15, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Sorry, I guess I should clarify that season2 was intended to go on the current &quot;main page&quot; of videos, I just didn't want to put it up until we had the okay. It sounds like we've got the okay though? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:06, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == This needs to be rolled back. Quickly. ==<br /> <br /> Just leaving a note here to catch those who usually don't visit the balcony.<br /> Please refer to [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#Browser neutrality or Official Browser|my comment there]].<br /> <br /> The listing is simply ''wrong'' the way it is now. (''And'' butt-ugly.)<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Ok I rolled it back so we can discuss it more. But it totally can't see your objection. What about it is Butt-ugly? It looks almost the same except the line numbers and the vertical spacing. The font face and the font size is identical to before, the general layout hasn't changed. True, the TOC uses stars instead of boxes, and the recently added horizontal line under is gone, but besides that, it's the same. [http://lorem.us/kira/lov.jpg screenshot] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 05:57, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Renagade is just being bully, there is no reason to roll this back. It looks much better the way you did it and Zoey like it. What more do we need? {{unsigned|203.22.204.187}}<br /> <br /> :Nice try to destroy my link there to distort my argumentation, so nobody sees how I made quite clear ''the neutral version is factually wrong.''<br /> :Also, posting unsigned doesn't add any weight to your opinion, sockpuppet.<br /> :As for &quot;what more do we need?&quot; - Factual accuracy, maintainable code, and visual appeal.<br /> :[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony#Browser neutrality or Official Browser|'''Link to argumentation restored.''']]<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:00, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Whoever 203.22.204.187 is, I don't think they deliberately meant to destroy your link. It just seems that all their edits result in apostrophe characters, &quot; ' &quot;, being replaced with &quot; \' &quot; automatically. This affected other comments on this page too which I have reverted. I'm not convinced anyone is trying to distort your argument using a sockpuppet, but I'll keep an eye on it. Please don't rush to accuse. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 16:36, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Renumbering ==<br /> <br /> Okay, it seems that with the site upgrade came new numbering for these videos. It's not a huge deal, but the numbers are inconsistent with the left-hand side of the lonelygirl15 site, and it shouldn't take too much work to fix them. I guess I'll go ahead and see if I can get that done now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:48, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :On second thought, I'm going to wait a little bit, to see if there are any objections. I always hate when people do things like this without asking first, so I'll give it until morning I think (unless someone beats me to it).--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:50, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::From what I've seen so far of the new list, the new numbers are only there because they don't recognize the &quot;potential-right-infingement&quot; videos like ''Dorkiness Prevails''. The new list acts as if ''Purple Monkey'' was the first video when it wasn't. If I remember correctly, the old Revver version actually skipped those respective video numbers. I say don't change and just have a note at the top that explains the issue.--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:56, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Hi, maybe we can list videos that aren't listed on the official site, but don't give them a number? And also, videos such as the Cassie ones have their own number now, the list should be changed to reflect that? I don't have any objections, I was about to do the same when I saw the lists were inconsistent with eachother :) [[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 05:09, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Remember me?== <br /> <br /> Should that really be in the list of lonelygirl15 videos for season two? I mean, OpAphid isn't even a part of lonelygirl15 anymore, That video is a part of The Madison Atkins ARG series. So ... i don't really know if it should be listed here.<br /> <br /> --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 23:58, 9 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :The pre-canon OpAphid videos are on this list, and I assume that post-canon videos should be on here as well. I'd say it's safe to put [[Remember Me?]] on the video list, but not as an official video. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:40, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::pre-canon OpAphid vids were incorporated into official canon through the decision to make OpAphid official; by now, OpAphid has officially been declared ''unofficial'', so the post-canon vids are no different from any other fanfic, whereas pre-canon vids have the same status as [[My Name Is Jonas]], for example - they do not fall within the &quot;canon period&quot; of the character, but they provide the background of the canon-story. They are canon, but not part of the storyline.<br /> <br /> ::I might add that this is not just my personal opinion, but [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=List_of_Lonelygirl15_videos&amp;diff=prev&amp;oldid=65063 Zoey's official decree].<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:44, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::I see your (&amp; Zoey's) point. Thanks for the info! &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 23:39, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Renumbering issue ==<br /> <br /> I indeed have an issue with the renumbering. Pre-canon OpAphid videos have a number, but official LG15 ones don't? I'd say that the Creators are just having a hard time programming the new site. Surely this couldn't be what they meant to do. These edits need to be reverted, unless anyone disagrees with me? This is urgent; I can't stand to see the LG LoV like this. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 19:45, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I have reverted the renumbering for now, on the basis that a) I could find no reference where the new numbers are coming from, and b) such a change forces us to update a large number of video pages (magnitude depending on where the numbers start to change), so it needs to be discussed before a decision is made.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:35, 11 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I think the creators know what they're doing with the videos, and if they want to give certain videos numbers, then so be it. But whatever, what does my opinion matter. [[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]]<br /> <br /> ::::The problem is not your opinion, the problem is you started renumbering from episode one onwards - that means, with your numbering, we'd have to ''manually update over 260 video pages''.<br /> ::::That's a too big decision to have one person make it alone in a quick edit.<br /> ::::Not to mention that, given the incompetence shown during the site restructuring, I wouldn't be so sure about the Creators knowing what they're doing.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:55, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Taylor==<br /> I really think there should be atleast one picture of Taylor on this page since she has appeared in this season. I didn't want to do it myself since it's such a major page but I was thinking maybe the one from [[Gross Guy]] since she looks so darn cute in it. Anyway, kind of looks like a job for [[user:Zoey|Zoey]] to me!~[[user:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> :I'm sure a picture of Taylor will end up on the page eventually but I don't think there have been any stand-out pics of her so far this season. Doesn't she look a bit blank rather than cute in the loo pic? However, if everyone insists then maybe I can remove [[Image:0270-EmmaSmilingOnBed.jpg|60px]], move all the others below up one place and then add [[Image:0279-TaylorOnTheLoo.JPG|60px]] &amp; [[Image:0286-EmmaHappy.jpg|50px]] to the end. (I prefer the Emma Happy pic to the Emma Smiling pic. Her face is better lit.) [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 20:49, 20 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I agree, I like Emma Happy more than Emma Smiling as well. Personally that pic of Taylor is my favorite, but maybe we can put it up for now and hope for a better one? It's really up to you admin guys, just wanted to throw out a suggestion :). ~[[user:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> <br /> == &quot;Safe for the Steal??&quot; ==<br /> <br /> I don't know what that means. Is there some pun I'm missing? If not, I propose a less confusing title for this story arc... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:59, 16 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :As per usual, I agree with [[User:Jbshryne|JB]], I don't understand it either. ~[[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]<br /> ::It refers to Sonia, Daniel, and Jonas stealing the trait positive Ceremony Baby from the adoptive HoO couple. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:04, 27 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Hmm, well I'm glad it's changed anyway. [[User:Nancypants|Nancy]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Redearth88&diff=96353 2008-01-11T05:56:29Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>{|style=&quot;border-spacing:8px;margin:0px -8px&quot;<br /> |class=&quot;MainPageBG&quot; id=&quot;template_redearth_portal&quot; style=&quot;width:800px;border:1px solid #535353;background-color:#7A1402;vertical-align:top;color:#7A1402&quot;|<br /> {|width=&quot;100%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top;background-color:#7A1402&quot;<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#7A1402;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:0px;text-align:center;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;REDEARTH88 ~ The Universe Is Wider Than Our Views Of It&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |}<br /> &lt;!-- End of header section / beginning of left-column --&gt;<br /> {|style=&quot;border-spacing:8px;margin:0px -8px&quot;<br /> |class=&quot;MainPageBG&quot; style=&quot;width:395px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#FFF;vertical-align:top;color:#7A1402;&quot;|<br /> {|width=&quot;100%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;5&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFF&quot;<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Main Characters&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> {| border=&quot;2&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; border-color=&quot;#551100&quot;<br /> | [[Image:Rachel-cropped1.jpg|95px|Rachel]]<br /> | [[Image:Clara-cropped1.jpg|95px|Clara Stokes]]<br /> | [[Image:Maddison-cropped1.jpg|95px|Maddison Atkins]]<br /> |- <br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Rachel|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Rachel&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Clara Stokes|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Clara&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Maddison Atkins|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Maddison&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> {| border=&quot;2&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; border-color=&quot;#551100&quot;<br /> | [[Image:9-gregoryattkins-edited-cropped.jpg|95px|Gregory Atkins]]<br /> | [[Image:OpAphid-cropped1.jpg|95px|OpAphid]]<br /> | [[Image:Tachyon-cropped1.jpg|95px|Tachyon]]<br /> |- <br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Gregory Atkins (character)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Gregory&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[OpAphid|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;OpAphid&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Tachyon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Tachyon&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Useful Links&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> *[[Everything You Need To Know About Redearth88]]<br /> *[http://www.shanikosystems.com/forum/index.php Maddison Atkins Forum]<br /> *[[Following the Clues]]<br /> *[[VM numbers]]<br /> *[[Maddison's journals]]<br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Screencaps&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> [[Image:Redearth88.jpg|185px]]<br /> [[Image:0011-RedEarth-WhereDoesTheTimeGo-cropped.jpg|185px]]<br /> <br /> |}&lt;!-- Start of right-column --&gt;<br /> |class=&quot;MainPageBG&quot; style=&quot;width:395px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#FFF;vertical-align:top;color:#7A1402;&quot;|<br /> {| width=&quot;100%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;5&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFF;&quot;<br /> <br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Backstory&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> <br /> *[[AphidPedia|OpAphid vs. Tachyon]]<br /> *[[Maddison Avenue|Maddison Atkins Ch. 1]]<br /> *[[Redearth88/Prologue|Redearth88 Prologue]]<br /> <br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Redearth88 Videos&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> <br /> &lt;ol&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Does The Time Go?]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|37Im_kieoGI|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Leaving Seattle]] by [[Marla|xmarlasingerx]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|uGCPseTNR2U|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Opportunity Crisis!]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Ah2JSaN5RKQ|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Interview with XO]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|8PeLJRkksCY|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Stuff - and nyc!]] by [[Marla|xmarlasingerx]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|JuvU-LRg1k4|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Decisions Decisions]] by [[Marla|xmarlasingerx]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|hP2YMiIJfjk|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Near the murder scene]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Ph0cNMpidhE|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Myspace Contest]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|f2RMhpwha8s|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[adamlamarTV - episode 4]] by [[Adam Lamar|adamlamar]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|9moTirlwryo|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Divine Intervention?]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|P7TRcEaX2nY|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Storyteller]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;([http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=21662479 watch])&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;&lt;small&gt;(Also posted on YouTube on the maddisonatkins account as '''Tribute''')&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Unanswered Calls]] by [[Gregory Atkins (character)|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|vA-aXa8T2-Q|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A GIft]] by [[Gregory Atkins (character)|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|xusobOpzqww|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Adam Lamar's Pitch]] by [[Clara Stokes|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|8xaLsAeW6_A|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Apologies Mr. Atkins]] by [[Marla|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Z_5WLFxGlEA|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aly Zarin!]] by [[Tachyon]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Gk-nW-VKm-M|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[2 Girls 1 Dwelling]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|UtGUHw5udWc|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|PmoRnfyZg3Y|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar]] by [[Marla|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|w7dX5lSvd88|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Could THIS Happen?]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;/ol&gt;<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__<br /> <br /> [[Category:Redearth88]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Good_Luck_in_Vegas_Adam_Lamar&diff=96350 2008-01-11T05:43:44Z

<p>Rekidk: Added new video</p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 0016<br /> | image = GoodLuckinVegas.jpg<br /> | caption = One fat man with a mission<br /> | blogger = Marla<br /> | date = January 8th, 2008<br /> | url = {{youtube|w7dX5lSvd88}}<br /> | description = Adam left the other day for Vegas. He's there already I suppose. I miss him.<br /> | song = &quot;Grand Prix&quot;<br /> by Schuyler Hupp<br /> www.germaniumsky.com <br /> | tags = {{tags|maddisonatkins|maddison|atkins|Marlasinger|Marla|Clara|Stokes|amblyopianne}}<br /> | cast =<br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Marla]]|Maya Kramer}}<br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Adam Lamar]]|Adam Lamar}}<br /> | Previous = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | Next = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> | PreviousB = Apologies Mr. Atkins<br /> | NextB =<br /> }}<br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Marla:''' Adam Lamar is leaving today. for Vegas. (''Marla tried to close the truck door, but an orange box blocks it'') Oh Fuck. (''Pushes the box in and successfully closes the door, cut to marla sitting behind the wheel of a car.'') One fat man with a mission: to get to Vegas with all his crap. Adam never really asked me to help him move, he just sort of showed up at my door and stole me. And then made me clean. (''Cut to Marla wearing a green Elvis wig'') Okay. Alright Adam, what am I doing? (''Pause'') Where'd he go? (''looking at a clock'') This clock tells me the time to eat. Eat time. Eat time. Eat Time. Eat Time. That's why Adam Lamar is kind of heavy.<br /> <br /> '''Adam:''' You got shit to do.<br /> <br /> (''Musical Montage of Marla battling with the vacuum to clean a room and repeatedly jumping onto a bean bag chair. Adam enters at one point to turn on the vacuum.'')<br /> <br /> '''Marla:''' Adam, I'm done!<br /> <br /> (''Musical Montage of Adam vacuuming while Marla sits and watches. Cut to Marla sitting on the wheel-guard of the moving truck.'')<br /> <br /> '''Marla:''' So I guess I will miss him. He's my brotha. Oh well.<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> [[Category:Maya Kramer filmography]] [[Category:Adam Lamar filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=When_A_Girl_Gets_On_Your_Nerves&diff=96349 2008-01-11T05:43:03Z

<p>Rekidk: Added new videos</p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | number = 0015<br /> | image = WhenAGirlGetsOnYourNerves.jpg<br /> | caption = Do you like Applesauce?<br /> | blogger = Rachel<br /> | date = January 4th, 2007<br /> | url = {{youtube|PmoRnfyZg3Y}}<br /> | description =So the other day, I didn't think it was a good idea to post this... but Aly has been encouraging me to express myself more--and well, this is a rare verbalization of my uncensored thoughts.<br /> <br /> And with my boss and his wife's dinner party tomorrow night, it's probably best to get such urges out of my system...<br /> | tags = {{tags|redearth|redearth88|rachel|maddisonatkins|lonelygirl15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|alyzarin|tachyon|opaphid|10033|zoey}}<br /> | cast = <br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Rachel]]|[[Sara E. R. Fletcher]]}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = 2 Girls 1 Dwelling<br /> | Next = Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar<br /> | PreviousB = <br /> | NextB = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Rachel:''' Back at College, I am amazed that I made it through an entire two semesters with my roommate Zoey, who considered her space and my space, our space. Most of the time she would just, randomly blurt out things hoping to start up a conversation. Regardless of whether or not I actually wanted to talk. So I would be trying to study, and then all of the sudden she would just hit me out of nowhere with (''Imitation of Zoey'') &quot;Oh My God! I love applesauce! Do you love applesauce Rachel? Oh My God! Have you seen that movie ''The Notebook''? Oh my god it's such a good movie!&quot; (''sigh of exasperation'') But my personal favorites were the times when she would ask me something along the lines of &quot;How much do you think it costs to get a mystic tan?&quot; Or where she could rent roller skates. Because clearly if you talk to me for five minutes, you would realize that I am a total expert on these topics. I think that's part of the reason why I focused so much attention on my relationship with Jordan last year. He had his own place, and I could go there and escape from my roommate. Don't get me wrong, I did try to be nice to her. I mean, any attempt and sarcasm just went right over her head. Deep down, I also had the fear that, it would just encourage her. And before you knew it, we'd be giving each other makeovers and the movie ''Beaches'' would be on in the background, in an endless loop. And then of course we would have little-spirited arguments over who would be the wind beneath the other's wings and finally the whole argument would end in &quot;Whoever died first would be the designated person as the wind.&quot; (''Rachel shakes her head with a terrified look on her face''). I confessed all of this to Aly, and I knew we would totally get along when she said, &quot;It must have been cold there in her shadow.&quot; You know it's funny. For two girls that hate that song so much, it's weird that we both know the words.<br /> <br /> (''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, &quot;Redearth, the universe is wider than our views of it.&quot;'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *Shortly before this video was made available, [[Zoeyiswatching]] posted a [[When I Get To The Bottom Of The Jar|video]] talking about her love of applesauce.<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Sara E. R. Fletcher filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Redearth88&diff=96348 2008-01-11T05:37:01Z

<p>Rekidk: Added latest Rachel vid to the list.</p> <hr /> <div>{|style=&quot;border-spacing:8px;margin:0px -8px&quot;<br /> |class=&quot;MainPageBG&quot; id=&quot;template_redearth_portal&quot; style=&quot;width:800px;border:1px solid #535353;background-color:#7A1402;vertical-align:top;color:#7A1402&quot;|<br /> {|width=&quot;100%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;3&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top;background-color:#7A1402&quot;<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#7A1402;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:0px;text-align:center;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;REDEARTH88 ~ The Universe Is Wider Than Our Views Of It&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |}<br /> &lt;!-- End of header section / beginning of left-column --&gt;<br /> {|style=&quot;border-spacing:8px;margin:0px -8px&quot;<br /> |class=&quot;MainPageBG&quot; style=&quot;width:395px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#FFF;vertical-align:top;color:#7A1402;&quot;|<br /> {|width=&quot;100%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;5&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFF&quot;<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Main Characters&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> {| border=&quot;2&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; border-color=&quot;#551100&quot;<br /> | [[Image:Rachel-cropped1.jpg|95px|Rachel]]<br /> | [[Image:Clara-cropped1.jpg|95px|Clara Stokes]]<br /> | [[Image:Maddison-cropped1.jpg|95px|Maddison Atkins]]<br /> |- <br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Rachel|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Rachel&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Clara Stokes|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Clara&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Maddison Atkins|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Maddison&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> {| border=&quot;2&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; border-color=&quot;#551100&quot;<br /> | [[Image:9-gregoryattkins-edited-cropped.jpg|95px|Gregory Atkins]]<br /> | [[Image:OpAphid-cropped1.jpg|95px|OpAphid]]<br /> | [[Image:Tachyon-cropped1.jpg|95px|Tachyon]]<br /> |- <br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Gregory Atkins (character)|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Gregory&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[OpAphid|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;OpAphid&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |align=center style=background:#7A1402| '''[[Tachyon|&lt;span style=&quot;color:#FFF&quot;&gt;Tachyon&lt;/span&gt;]]'''<br /> |}<br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Useful Links&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> *[[Everything You Need To Know About Redearth88]]<br /> *[http://www.shanikosystems.com/forum/index.php Maddison Atkins Forum]<br /> *[[Following the Clues]]<br /> *[[VM numbers]]<br /> *[[Maddison's journals]]<br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Screencaps&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> [[Image:Redearth88.jpg|185px]]<br /> [[Image:0011-RedEarth-WhereDoesTheTimeGo-cropped.jpg|185px]]<br /> <br /> |}&lt;!-- Start of right-column --&gt;<br /> |class=&quot;MainPageBG&quot; style=&quot;width:395px;border:1px solid #000;background-color:#FFF;vertical-align:top;color:#7A1402;&quot;|<br /> {| width=&quot;100%&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; cellspacing=&quot;5&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align:top;background-color:#FFF;&quot;<br /> <br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Backstory&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> <br /> *[[AphidPedia|OpAphid vs. Tachyon]]<br /> *[[Maddison Avenue|Maddison Atkins Ch. 1]]<br /> *[[Redearth88/Prologue|Redearth88 Prologue]]<br /> <br /> |-<br /> ! &lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0;background-color:#3c3c3c;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #000;text-align:center;color:#FFF;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;Redearth88 Videos&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |style=&quot;color:#3c3c3c&quot;|<br /> <br /> &lt;ol&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Does The Time Go?]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|37Im_kieoGI|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Leaving Seattle]] by [[Marla|xmarlasingerx]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|uGCPseTNR2U|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Opportunity Crisis!]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Ah2JSaN5RKQ|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Interview with XO]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|8PeLJRkksCY|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Stuff - and nyc!]] by [[Marla|xmarlasingerx]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|JuvU-LRg1k4|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Decisions Decisions]] by [[Marla|xmarlasingerx]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|hP2YMiIJfjk|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Near the murder scene]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Ph0cNMpidhE|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Myspace Contest]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|f2RMhpwha8s|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[adamlamarTV - episode 4]] by [[Adam Lamar|adamlamar]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|9moTirlwryo|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Divine Intervention?]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|P7TRcEaX2nY|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Storyteller]] by [[Clara Stokes|amblyopianne]] &lt;small&gt;([http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&amp;videoid=21662479 watch])&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;&lt;small&gt;(Also posted on YouTube on the maddisonatkins account as '''Tribute''')&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Unanswered Calls]] by [[Gregory Atkins (character)|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|vA-aXa8T2-Q|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A GIft]] by [[Gregory Atkins (character)|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|xusobOpzqww|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Adam Lamar's Pitch]] by [[Clara Stokes|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|8xaLsAeW6_A|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Apologies Mr. Atkins]] by [[Marla|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Z_5WLFxGlEA|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aly Zarin!]] by [[Tachyon]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|Gk-nW-VKm-M|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[2 Girls 1 Dwelling]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|UtGUHw5udWc|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves]] by [[Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|PmoRnfyZg3Y|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar]] by [[Marla|maddisonatkins]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|w7dX5lSvd88|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Could THIS Happen?]] by [Rachel|redearth]] &lt;small&gt;({{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA|watch}})&lt;/small&gt;<br /> &lt;/ol&gt;<br /> <br /> |-<br /> <br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> |}<br /> <br /> __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__<br /> <br /> [[Category:Redearth88]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=How_Could_THIS_Happen%3F&diff=96347 2008-01-11T05:31:47Z

<p>Rekidk: Added screencap</p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> | number = 0017<br /> | image = RE88-0017-RachelScreencap.JPG<br /> | caption = Wouldn't you have stared, too?<br /> | blogger = Rachel<br /> | date = January 11th, 2007<br /> | url = {{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA}}<br /> | description =&quot;unthinkable&quot;<br /> un-think-able (an adjective of 15th century origin)<br /> 1. incapable of being conceived, considered, or imagined. <br /> 2. not reasonable, plausible, or probable.<br /> <br /> An example of its use in a sentence:<br /> The other night, the &quot;unthinkable&quot; happened... | tags = {{tags|redearth|redearth88|rachel|maddisonatkins|lonelygirl15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|alyzarin|tachyon|opaphid|10033|weird}}<br /> | cast = <br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Rachel]]|[[Sara E. R. Fletcher]]}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Rachel:''' So... The other night was really weird. Don't get me wrong; my boss's dinner party was fantastic. It's just that something weird happened between Aly and me. When I was getting ready, Aly was helping me--and I really appreciated it. But... Every outfit she suggested just... I dunno. (''She shrugs.'') Wasn't my style. I guess I'm more modest than she is. And then, when we finally did unearth this one classic black cocktail dress, Aly just seemed a little too focused on watching me while I was changing into it. (''She rubs her forhead.'') Okay, she was staring--longer and lower than was appropriate. I hadn't reallyl picked up on it before, but... I'm just not sure if I'm comfortable being roommates with Aly anymore.<br /> <br /> (''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, &quot;Redearth, the universe is wider than our views of it.&quot;'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Sara E. R. Fletcher filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=File:RE88-0017-RachelScreencap.JPG&diff=96346 2008-01-11T05:29:15Z

<p>Rekidk: Rachel screencap from &#039;How Could THIS Happen?&#039;</p> <hr /> <div>Rachel screencap from 'How Could THIS Happen?'</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=How_Could_THIS_Happen%3F&diff=96345 2008-01-11T05:25:05Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> | number = 0017<br /> | image = <br /> | caption = Wouldn't you have stared, too?<br /> | blogger = Rachel<br /> | date = January 11th, 2007<br /> | url = {{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA}}<br /> | description =&quot;unthinkable&quot;<br /> un-think-able (an adjective of 15th century origin)<br /> 1. incapable of being conceived, considered, or imagined. <br /> 2. not reasonable, plausible, or probable.<br /> <br /> An example of its use in a sentence:<br /> The other night, the &quot;unthinkable&quot; happened... | tags = {{tags|redearth|redearth88|rachel|maddisonatkins|lonelygirl15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|alyzarin|tachyon|opaphid|10033|weird}}<br /> | cast = <br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Rachel]]|[[Sara E. R. Fletcher]]}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Rachel:''' So... The other night was really weird. Don't get me wrong; my boss's dinner party was fantastic. It's just that something weird happened between Aly and me. When I was getting ready, Aly was helping me--and I really appreciated it. But... Every outfit she suggested just... I dunno. (''She shrugs.'') Wasn't my style. I guess I'm more modest than she is. And then, when we finally did unearth this one classic black cocktail dress, Aly just seemed a little too focused on watching me while I was changing into it. (''She rubs her forhead.'') Okay, she was staring--longer and lower than was appropriate. I hadn't reallyl picked up on it before, but... I'm just not sure if I'm comfortable being roommates with Aly anymore.<br /> <br /> (''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, &quot;Redearth, the universe is wider than our views of it.&quot;'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Sara E. R. Fletcher filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=How_Could_THIS_Happen%3F&diff=96344 2008-01-11T05:22:53Z

<p>Rekidk: Zoey inspired me! Transcript done!</p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> | number = 0017<br /> | image = <br /> | caption = Wouldn't you have stared, too?<br /> | blogger = Rachel<br /> | date = January 11th, 2007<br /> | url = {{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA}}<br /> | description =&quot;unthinkable&quot;<br /> un-think-able (an adjective of 15th century origin)<br /> 1. incapable of being conceived, considered, or imagined. <br /> 2. not reasonable, plausible, or probable.<br /> <br /> An example of its use in a sentence:<br /> The other night, the &quot;unthinkable&quot; happened... | tags = {{tags|redearth|redearth88|rachel|maddisonatkins|lonelygirl15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|alyzarin|tachyon|opaphid|10033|weird}}<br /> | cast = <br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Rachel]]|[[Sara E. R. Fletcher]]}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Rachel:''' So... The other night was really weird. Don't get me wrong; my boss's dinner party was fantastic. It's just that something weird happened between Aly and me. When I was getting ready, Aly was helping me--and I really appreciated it. But... Every outfit she suggested just... I dunno. (''She shrugs.'') Wasn't my style. I guess I'm more modest than she is. And then, when we finally did unearth this one classic black cocktail dress, Aly just seemed a little too focused on watching me while I was changing into it. (''She rubs her forward.'') Okay, she was staring--longer and lower than was appropriate. I hadn't reallyl picked up on it before, but... I'm just not sure if I'm comfortable being roommates with Aly anymore.<br /> <br /> (''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, &quot;Redearth, the universe is wider than our views of it.&quot;'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Sara E. R. Fletcher filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=How_Could_THIS_Happen%3F&diff=96343 2008-01-11T05:12:50Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> | number = 0017<br /> | image = <br /> | caption = Wouldn't you have stared, too?<br /> | blogger = Rachel<br /> | date = January 11th, 2007<br /> | url = {{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA}}<br /> | description =&quot;unthinkable&quot;<br /> un-think-able (an adjective of 15th century origin)<br /> 1. incapable of being conceived, considered, or imagined. <br /> 2. not reasonable, plausible, or probable.<br /> <br /> An example of its use in a sentence:<br /> The other night, the &quot;unthinkable&quot; happened... | tags = {{tags|redearth|redearth88|rachel|maddisonatkins|lonelygirl15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|alyzarin|tachyon|opaphid|10033|weird}}<br /> | cast = <br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Rachel]]|[[Sara E. R. Fletcher]]}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Rachel:''' <br /> (''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, &quot;Redearth, the universe is wider than our views of it.&quot;'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Sara E. R. Fletcher filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=How_Could_THIS_Happen%3F&diff=96342 2008-01-11T05:11:46Z

<p>Rekidk: Zoey inspired me!</p> <hr /> <div>{{Redearth88<br /> | series = Redearth88<br /> | name = How Could THIS Happen?<br /> | number = 0017<br /> | image = <br /> | caption = Wouldn't you have stared, too?<br /> | blogger = Rachel<br /> | date = January 11th, 2007<br /> | url = {{youtube|JCfyMyHSLvA}}<br /> | description =&quot;unthinkable&quot;<br /> un-think-able (an adjective of 15th century origin)<br /> 1. incapable of being conceived, considered, or imagined. <br /> 2. not reasonable, plausible, or probable.<br /> <br /> An example of its use in a sentence:<br /> The other night, the &quot;unthinkable&quot; happened... | tags = {{redearth|redearth88|rachel|maddisonatkins|lonelygirl15|bree|danielbeast|jonastko|alyzarin|tachyon|opaphid|10033|weird}}<br /> | cast = <br /> {{FakeVidChar|[[Rachel]]|[[Sara E. R. Fletcher]]}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Good Luck in Vegas Adam Lamar<br /> | Next = <br /> | PreviousB = When A Girl Gets On Your Nerves<br /> | NextB = <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Rachel:''' <br /> (''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, &quot;Redearth, the universe is wider than our views of it.&quot;'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [[Category:Sara E. R. Fletcher filmography]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&diff=93597 2007-12-24T03:06:37Z

<p>Rekidk: /* Revamping FanFic */</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] &amp; [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]<br /> <br /> [[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]<br /> <br /> <br /> Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing &lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; at the end.<br /> <br /> For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;left&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> __TOC__<br /> __NEWSECTIONLINK__<br /> <br /> <br /> ==No uploading??==<br /> <br /> The &quot;Upload File&quot; function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago. <br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being &quot;&lt;code&gt;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&lt;/code&gt;&quot; and &quot;&lt;code&gt;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif&lt;/code&gt;&quot;.<br /> <br /> ::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::&lt;small&gt;P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> ::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Missions Page==<br /> I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::There i tried to start it, but it wasn't very succesful. If you are good with codes please go here. http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Houdini/sandbox<br /> <br /> :That was just an idea to have the blue border and the table format. If you like can you spoof it up a bit. And if you don't, feel free to change it.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:35, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::We could do the capturing of Jules, the Vegas capturing of BDJ, the tailing of Alex, the search for Isaac Gilman, the race to contact Spencer Gilman, Daniel breaking into the EPOGEN warehouse, Daniel breaking into Lucy's apartment, the Mexico capturing of Alex by Lucy, getting Bree back, Bree escaping to be with her fellow Hymnies, getting Bree back again, the Order murdering Drew and Isaac, Brother murdering Gemma, Tachyon exposing Gemma, and so the saga continues. It's a lot, but I think it'd be nice to keep all the missions somewhere. '''Strong support.''' &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:41, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Show Template?==<br /> Considering that [[lonelygirl15]] and [[KateModern]] right now both use [[Template:FakeBlog2]], I think it's time for a show template. The show template could have slots for the creators of the show, the main cast of the show, an image of the main cast of the show, a caption for that image, beginning date to end date (end date optional - if you don't fill it in, it would say &quot;to present&quot;), optional spin-off slot, &amp; more. Any opinions? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Any thoughts at all? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Hello? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::You remind me of a child...&quot;Mom, look what I'm doing! Mom! Mom! Look! YOU'RE NOT LOOOOOKING!!!&quot;<br /> :::Isn't the fact that nobody responds answer enough?<br /> :::We. Don't. Care.<br /> :::The current setup works fine. On a theoretical level, you are right. FakeBlog2 is abused in that situation, and a dedicated template would make sense. But practically, ''it's overkill''. Why create an entire new template for ''two pages'' if the hack works flawlessly?<br /> :::The only difference a dedicated show template would make is that a dozen fan series would start using it.<br /> :::So, as said...nobody responded for a reason. If you consider it necessary, go ahead and do it. But the fact that not even ''Houdini'', who's enthusiastic about pretty much everything, replied, should give you a hint about how much interest there is in this topic.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::That was harsh Renegade. Anywase i honestly didn't get what you meant silver. I must have read it while i was tired. Anywase i say go ahead and do it. It doesn't hurt to do it. It only adds to LGPedia in a good way. Oh and renegade what did that enthusiastic thing mean.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:42, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::What was harsh about that? If all other discussions on this page get replies but this one doesn't, that ''is'' a pretty good indicator that nobody cares. There's nothing harsh about that, and it's not even ment in an insulting way. That's just how it is. As I said, on a technical level, he's right, so there's probably no one here who'd object - but on a practical level, everything works, so no one here is motivated to change it, either. So, nobody cares. If he wants to change it, fine. If not, everything still works. Nothing harsh about it. Just human nature.<br /> :::And that enthusiastic thing was pointing out that, even though you are involved in everything and always happy to edit and start new projects, not even ''you'' cared before you saw me reference you. I was just trying to put the lack of interest into perspective.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Guys, please take it easy around here . . . .--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:09, 29 July 2007 <br /> (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Alright sorry Pheon.I wasn't going to start a fight i was just wondering what that statement meant.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::I figured no one was responding to this, so I haven't checked Lucy's Balcony in a while. When I saw it... Renegade, that was harsh. I remind you of a whining child? I was just wondering if any administrators had any opinions or input to my idea, because, as always, I am trying to help the LGPedia. You're just hurting its members. Thanks for your support Pheon, and Houdini. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 16:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::It was the truth. If you consider the truth harsh, then fine, it was harsh. But I am not to blame for the truth. You posted ''thrice'' and the only reason I replied was because I feared you wouldn't stop unless you got some feedback.<br /> ::::If nobody cares, nobody cares. That's not my opinion, that's not an attempt to insult you, that's just reality.<br /> ::::Seriously, think about it: If I was wrong, if &quot;nobody cares&quot; was a lie, why am I the only one responding? Houdini replied to me, because I mentioned him. Pheon replied because a fight seemed to start. The only one replying to ''you'' was me, and only because you kept spamming &quot;hello? Hello? HELLO?&quot;.<br /> ::::If you hadn't kept posting until someone replied, I'd have never replied, so Houdini would've never replied, so Pheon would've never replied. If you hadn't spammed, you would've gotten no reply at all. That is fucking ''reality'', not an attempt to insult you. ''That alone'' should prove that I'm right.<br /> ::::I have given you my opinion. You are technically right, but it doesn't matter. And I'd bet the fact that it doesn't matter is the reason you weren't getting any replies.<br /> ::::So excuse me for not getting all touchy feely when the sole reason for my post was to stop you from posting &quot;hello? someone there?&quot; until the end of eternity.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> This = Stupid. Everyone = breathe. Conversation = over. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:47, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==LGPedia: pages==<br /> Now that the LGPedia is thriving, perhaps we should have some more LGPedia: namespace policy pages, plus things like LG:CHU (LGPedia:Changing username) and LG:SHORT (LGPedia:Shortcuts). I'm just trying to get some wiki-like content from Wikipedia, so let me know what you think. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Hello? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I say go ahead. But talk to an admin first.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I'm going to say something to [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] right now. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==I Finished the Missions Page==<br /> I did it today, man that was work. Anywase tell me what you think, and also thanks silverbullet for all your help. If you see something that need changes then go ahead and change it. If you don't see a mission that i missed than put it in there.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 16:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Potential naming problem==<br /> I've just noticed that KM-images are named using the same scheme as the LG15 ones; sure, the probability it comes to actual naming conflicts is low, but shouldn't we add an infix for organizational purposes? Otherwise, we'll have stuff like<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> in a few months, and no one will be able to tell which blablabla belongs to KM and which to LG15. I'm thinking of force-suggesting 9999-'''KM'''-Description-Modification.xxx here. Alternatively, '''KM'''9999-Description-Modification.xxx would separate them entirely in file listings. Opinions?<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:16, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::ill try to stick to it, you should talk to psmith he uploads a lot of pictures--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 20:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Psmith is doing LG15, but Truncatedslinky seems to be the KM equivalent. I'll message him. Good idea, thank you. :)<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:48, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::thats true, he/she i dont know is doing a lot of pictures and this would help out a lot for orginization<br /> ::good idea--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Cool, that's fine, I just didn't know you guys wanted to do that. I can rename the pictures and upload them again if absolutely necessary. I don't always upload a ton of pictures, but there were basically none on the KateModern site and it definitely needed some. Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 22:42, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Damnit! 50/50 chance...I chose &quot;him&quot; because of the Daniel/Jonas hook up support userbox (guessed you were a gay male). Sorry for the misinterpretation.<br /> ::::Anyway, I don't think re-uploading will be necessary, as long as we start doing that from now on.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:40, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Amended image naming convention for KM sounds good. Let me know what you decide and I can change the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] to reflect it. I prefer having KM at the very beginning (e.g. '''KM0006-KateHoldingASandwich.jpg''' to replace &quot;0006-YummyPiggies.jpg&quot;). We probably also need 2 new image categories (&quot;LG show images&quot; and &quot;KM show images&quot;) but that would require a lot of tedious categorizing (maybe a job for [[LGBot]]?) Your opinions on this would be appreciated. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::P.S. I haven't got involved in KM images yet as I haven't watched any of the shows. Are they any good? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Eh . . . it's got potential, IMO. But frankly, I've been more concentrated for the LG Season Finale, so don't take my criticism too strongly. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:47, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::I'm with you on that, Pheon. I'll hold out on it for a while longer because I think the Creators deserve that much. Anyway, if you guys need something done with the LGBot, just let me know. I am still here reading things; I just don't have the time to get into very much editing.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:26, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Personally I like, and have been using 9999-KM-Description.jpg. I think we should definately make a decision soon though, before too many images get added. Please, everyone, post! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:42, 19 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :If the KM is at the beginning it is easier to sort through a whole bunch of files ordered alphabetically (i.e. the LG and KM files separate out as Renegade mentioned). This probably only affects me because I have so many images on my laptop from which I upload on to LGPedia. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :P.S. Is there an easy way to tag images with the show name and episode number without embedding in the name or is the only way to tediously categorize every image with &quot;Images of Episode 9999&quot; and &quot;Images of Show XX&quot;? Could LGBot categorize by looking at the file name? I'm thinking it would be nice to have a page that works like [[:Category:Videos_by_length]] called something like &quot;Category:Images_by_episode&quot;. Anyone know how to do this? If not, don't worry... not important. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::That's fair, I see your point. Is there a way to update image names online.. or would someone have to reupload all of them using the new name. Er, would anyone want to volunteer for that? XD haha. And yes, I agree, that would be an AWESEOME page to have. I think we'll have to ask Jonpro if the bot would make this possible though.... Jon? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::The last time we started an image naming convention we just decided to leave current images as they were and start being strict from then on. However, I might go back and redo some image names if I have time (yes it will require reuploading and deleting the old one). Do you want to update [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] or shall I? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Oh you can go ahead and do it, if you dont mind. You're good at explaining these sorts of things. So any KM images will start with KM.. but leave the LG ones as they are, right? Sounds good.. I'll let you update the mediawiki page though (and I'll remove this from active discussions, since this seems to be resolved, yay).<br /> <br /> ==Portals==<br /> I know this is going to sound really bad coming from be but, should the [[missions]] page be on Portal:Lonelygirl15 and Portal:KateModern because the page is a big part for both series. If it need some touching up before it is put on there thats ok, but what do you guys think.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:26, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> : I do think its got potential, but in its preliminary stages I still think it needs some &quot;fine-tuning.&quot; Let's give the page some more time to develop and then we can worry about where it should belong --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:33, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : Since it's cross-series, it might be positioned better in the &quot;LG15 Universe Central&quot; box on the main page. But before it goes ''that'' public, it needs some visual touch ups. ;)<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:44, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> it definately needs touching up thats for sure--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:34, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Maddison Atkins ==<br /> <br /> Should the character page change to Maddison and the ARG page move to Maddison Atkins.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:23, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I see no reasoning for that, but it's a good idea as always, Houdini. Thanks for the idea, but I think that the equivalent of Maddison is indeed Maddison Atkins, and that the ARG page should stay at Maddison Avenue. Thanks, though! &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 16:12, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Relationships ==<br /> <br /> Also should we move relationships to Lonelygirl15 relationships, and add Katemodern relationships, because we already know a few relationships for katemodern such as kate and tariq...charlie and gavin...and kate and scott or is it steve. Anywase if not that then i think we should make relationships as a link for the main page, just like what were doing with missions.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:53, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Location pages for KM==<br /> About Location pages for KM... we may want to wait a bit before we decide how to do this because at this rate they'll be filming all over London. So we could end up with:<br /> *By City - &quot;Images of London.&quot;<br /> *By Postcode - &quot;Images of EC1&quot;, &quot;Images of W1&quot; etc. (London postcodes that UK people will easily understand and can be explained to others - EC1 = East Central 1, W1 = West 1 etc.) Advantage = exact with no discussion required.<br /> *By London Area Name - &quot;Images of Spitalfields&quot;, &quot;Images of Soho&quot; etc. (these are the names of small areas of London). Advantage = friendly names rather than impersonal postcodes but there are grey areas as it were on deciding where one area starts and another ends.<br /> *By Street Name - &quot;Images of Brushfield Street&quot;, &quot;Images of Carnaby Street&quot; etc. This could become a problem given the number of streets that will be filmed upon.<br /> *All of the above so you can browse images however you like. Disadvantage = lot of work for every image.<br /> [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:25, 18 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Shoot. Okay, well I was just going to do the ones you took of Carnaby Street, simply because it was a notable location where a major fan interaction took place. I figured for the episodes where they were just out and about in London, we could do a &quot;General London area&quot; or whatnot. I think with the big thing that just happened at Carnaby St, it's worth a location page, IMO. Er, do you disagree? Blah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Given a lot of the pics are actually Broadwick St. rather than Carnaby St., my first instinct is &quot;Images of Soho&quot;. Especially as more videos may be set in and around these streets given how the Bebo offices are located there. Tariq/Gavin will probably be filmed a lot around Spitalfields/EC1 given that's where their office is supposed to be. But then I understand that maybe someone just wants to search on &quot;Carnaby Street&quot; because of how prominent the street name is in all the videos and interaction. So maybe it should just be &quot;Images of the Carnaby Street area&quot; which is more accurate but longwinded. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:27, 18 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Well, as for the categories themselves, I see no reason not to make specific categories and then group them all into &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Category:Images of London]]&lt;/nowiki&gt; or something similar. As far as location pages, I also don't see why we can't have specific pages for notable locations.. and maybe have a &quot;General London area&quot; page... similar to how we have a specific page for [[Topanga Canyon]] but still have one for [[General LA area]]. I think this works nicely... not sure though? What do you think? :/ --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:54, 19 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Ah... actually I meant to say &quot;location categories&quot; in the first place and not &quot;location pages&quot; (by which you mean the articles I presume). Woops.<br /> ::::It would be nice to have both a London category and subcategories for different parts of London. My rather pedantic point about &quot;Carnaby Street&quot; is that maybe &quot;Carnaby Street area&quot; is more accurate given most of the action took place on Broadwick Street. And yes we definitely need a location ''page'' for this. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Ahh, okay. I wonder if Jon could do this with the bot so I wouldn't have to.. if not, I don't mind going in and adding &quot;area&quot; to the end of the location. Sounds good. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == KM Forum Links ==<br /> KM episode page forum links are pointing to http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/ instead of http://www.lg15.com/katemodern. I think the template has a switch for lg/km but I'm not sure how to use it. [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] &amp; [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] created it so if you see this please update one of the KM video pages as an example and we can do the rest. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:04, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Nice catch, Psmith. It's not the KM video pages that need to be updated, but [[Template:Blog]]. I tried to fix it but failed :(. I'll work on it later if no one has figured it out by then.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:55, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Oops :X<br /> ::My bad, consider it fixed.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Re-Organization Day ==<br /> <br /> Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from [[Characters]] to KM:Characters and LG:Characters. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM}}<br /> :I'm sorry, I don't really see what you are talking about. There ARE seperate pages for [[KM Characters|KateModern characters]] and [[Characters|Lonelygirl15 characters]]. Why do we need to reorganize the wiki? What's wrong with the way it is now? And yea, we're definitely not getting a new Wiki. I just... don't understand your argument at all! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:01, 22 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I have no idea ''why'' he wants to do this, but the syntax he uses would mean entirely separate ''namespaces'' for LG and KM. (Which would be a re-linking nightmare, and totally useless.)<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:03, 22 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Thats why we SHOULDN'T do that. But there are a lot of other page crossovers where it contains information from both series, and sometimes gets tangled up. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 22 - 2:03 PM}}<br /> ::::What pages are you talking about, specifically? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:05, 22 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Need help with title! ==<br /> <br /> There's a new KateModern video named &quot;Hymn of One&quot; but I don't know how to make a page that has the same name as a page that already exists - anybody that can help? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 11:54, 3 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I used Hymn of One (video) but if there is a better way, please to let me know? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 12:42, 3 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Relax, Theresa, what you did is perfectly fine. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:49, 3 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Vandalism ==<br /> I was shocked by the amount of vandalism that is talking place on the lgpedia lately. I just went to recent changes and half of them were banning of vandals/spammers. This is becoming a serious problem, as our hardworking members should not have to constantly ban all these IP addresses when their time could be better spent. I'm opening a discussion on the topic as to find a solution. The floor is open. Any ideas/comments? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:45, 22 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> :I'm glad you started the discussion. I'm not really sure what the best solution is this time. Before, when the spamming took the form of external links, we were able to filter those by requiring verification when an external link was added. The only solution I can think of for this problem is to require something similar for every edit that is made. I'm not sure if it'd be possible to restrict that to anonymous users or not, but if so that's a possibility. The obvious downside is that it could become a huge hassle for people trying to edit normally. But maybe there's a creative solution that hasn't occurred to me. Ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:30, 22 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::The current external link verification is already annoying. A general captcha for every edit would be death.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : Isn't there a way where only people with a username can edit? I know it might sounds dumb, but I think it could relieve a few headaches. Who is xwestsidex or whatever? I dunno who he is. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 03:22, 23 October 2007 (PST)<br /> <br /> ::Yes there is - to set that up, we'd either have to protect each page manually (or, ''they''), or we need the FTP access I requested ''months'' ago. But both options would put off casual, unregistered users. You'd be punishing a large majority of users for the deeds of a small, non-community minority of spammers.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Requiring a username was brought up a while back, and we decided that it's simply not worth it. As Renegade said, it'd be cutting off a lot of people who would otherwise contribute. When I first started editing, I didn't have a username and I don't think I would have gotten involved if I had had to register right away. Besides, being a place that ''anyone'' can edit is somewhat of a cardinal rules of wikis in general. Oh, and xwestsidex is a vandal from a while ago who pops his pathetic head in every once in a while to cause what he thinks is mischief. Suffice it to say that anything from xwestsidex won't really make sense and can probably be reverted.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:36, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :But it's so annoying having to go around stopping the spam. I just spent a good part of my morning chasing around some spammers. I feel like ''I'' spammed the recent changes page. Lol, if you go look there, there's a whole page of just my edits. It's quite embarassing. I know it would cut a whole bunch of ppl out of the loop, but I kinda wish the username verification system was in place. I'm so selfish. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 04:16, 25 October 2007 (PST)<br /> <br /> I don't usually make comments on pages like this, but I thought I'd point a few things out.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -In the last day, there have been 68 edits by anonymous users. 55 of those edits were made by IPs currently banned for being a vandal.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -5 of those remaining 13 were reverted.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> As far as edits go that actually &quot;improved&quot; this wiki...&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -2 were people reverting poor edits (one was me!). &lt;br /&gt;<br /> -There was an edit that corrected who posted clues to Emma's code.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -One changed a period to a question mark.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -Three edits were right after each other, and probably could've just been one.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -There was an edit to theories about Purple Monkey, which is a funny section.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> --[[User:Ricket|Ricket]] 16:38, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Ricket makes a good point. Surely Registering for an account can't be that big of a deal? I see a lot more benefits than, er, non-benefits, from requiring a username to make edits. From what I've seen, of the dozens of spammers/vandals banned, only one or two were registered users. But seeing as so many people are against it, maybe we could require some question to be answered? (I don't mean 1+4=?, I mean Basic things that anyone who has ever seen the show would know: &quot;The 'p' in &quot;P. Monkey&quot; stands for...&quot; &quot;The lonelygirl15 is _____'s account&quot;, stuff like that? EDIT: Questions are for unregistered users, of course.--[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:09, 30 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::Erm, no. Maybe ''that'' would be a hassle. I mean, ''that'' will discourage even more users from editing. (Laziness factor) I've been up until 5 in the morning on LG15 ('cause I have no life) and about more than 90% of the vandalisms that occur during that time is from non-registered people. I've only seen one registered user vandalize and one non-registered person actually contribute to the LGPedia. I do understand that we are trying to include everyone, and that that's what a wiki is all about, but you gotta decide which is th lesser evil: Cutting out non-registered people out and prevent vandalism, or allow everyone to participate even if that includes vandalism. I doubt that this xwestsidex fellow isn't gonna stop any time soon. And who knows? Maybe other people who aren't xwestsidex will vandalize under that alias, just for the fun of vandalizing. Then the problem will ''never'' go away. I don't think, in my opinion, it's worth it. It'll just make the LG15 experience more enjoyable and less of a chore to edit. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 11:57, 30 October 2007 (PST)<br /> :::We should be more worried about the spammers (the ones who put random letters all over pages) than that westside guy,all he does is say 'fish taco' alot. The ones that actually spam the pages are the worst because they are able to work so quickly and we don't block them fast enough. I think the answer is blocking the spammers faster and making more pages have to answer the math questions..thats my thoughts on it. EDIT: We also need to make it to where people who arn't signed in can't change Lucy's Balcony. IP users hardly ever participate in these talks anyway and it would cut down on about half of the spamming. Poor Lucy's Balcony gets it everytime![[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:11, 9 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::I actually semi-protected this page a couple of days ago for the very fact that it was getting hit so often. Only registered users should be able to edit it now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:34, 12 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> man, must i say..that its getting horrible with each passing grade. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 10:08, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == KMProduction and Sophie Recap vids deleted?? ==<br /> <br /> Just wondering, why were my KateModern Production and Sophie Recap videos deleted? The pages, I mean. The KateModern Production videos are very much a part of KM and the Sophie Recap videos were posted on the official KateModernLG15 YouTube account, as well as Sophie's own Bebo. And Sophie is just as much official as Nikki B is on LG. So, why were they deleted? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:40, 30 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Looking at the [[Special:Log/Delete|deletion log]], [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] put &quot;see [[Talk:Portal:KateModern]]&quot; (I added the link) as the reason for the deletion. I looked there and there seems to be part of an explanation for why the videos shouldn't be included in the official list, but I'm not sure why they can't have pages. Back in the [[List of New Girl Candidates|new ceremony girl]] phase, there were a lot of videos that got pages because they were related to the lonelygirl15 story. Unless there's an explanation somewhere that I'm missing, I'm for restoring the video pages. But since Zoey deleted them, I'll wait for her response before I do anything.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:45, 31 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I understand Zoey's point but I still think that since the videos were made by the official KM team, they should at least have pages on here. Don't include them in the list, as they're not canon persay, but they still deserve a page.<br /> ::&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:50, 31 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I deleted the KateModern production videos because they are ''not'' official videos by any means, they are just BTS extras for anyone who wants to watch them. Not to mention, they are heavily edited and would be hard to transcribe. There's really no purpose to doing so because they don't futher the story in any way. It's like offering a &quot;script&quot; to the bonus features on a DVD. That seems silly. Why not just link to the bonus features and let whomever wants to enjoy them enjoy them?<br /> <br /> About Sophie's videos, I removed them because, they, too, would be hard to transcribe, and are literally just recuts of what already exists in all of the previous transcripts, whereas the lg15 recaps are actual... recaps. But the big deciding factor for me was their lack of placement in the official list of Katemodern videos on the Bebo page.<br /> <br /> I know that we created a bajillion pages way back in the day of the &quot;new girls,&quot; and I'm on purpose trying to avoid going that route again. It was chaos trying to keep up, and I was the one who ended up taking the grunt of the work. For me, it's way more important to focus on videos that are actually important in furthering the two main story than &quot;extras&quot; that are unnecessary and can be understood by watching the other videos or reading the other transcripts. If someone wants to ''personally'' take responsibilty for the maintenance of the pages, and not just create them and never transcribe them... or start out working on them and then give up (meaning this would be something you'd have to keep up long term, because I do not personally see the point of doing any more than just linking to the pages and will therefore not be responsible for their upkeep), then fine, I will undelete them. But if they are just going to sit there as halfway completed pages, there is no reason for them to be created as pages on here. They aren't official, they don't further the stories, and they can, and most likely ''will'' end up just cluttering the LGPedia if people don't actively take responsiblity for them. So yes, that was my logic, at least. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 31 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :'''PS''' I thought I should note, the recap videos haven't been ''totally'' removed from the LGPedia by any means. They are still listed on: [[Sophie]]. And the BTS videos are still listed on [[KateModern]].<br /> <br /> == OpAphid mess ==<br /> <br /> Silver recently tried to unify the OpAphid bloglines, and the situation currently is kind of a giant mess. We need a consent on how we're going to treat the series and all connected blogs.<br /> *Before, we had separate templates and &quot;series&quot; strands for Brother, Tachyon and OpAphid. The only thing crossing over was [[Miss Me?]], which used [[Template:Blog]] rather than [[Template:Aphid]]. Apart from that, all bloggers were independent from each other, using their own templates.<br /> *Now, all pre-canon and parallel videos, including Brother's and Tachyon's, use Template:Aphid, up until Miss Me?, which uses Blog, and all following ones use the brand new [[Template:Redearth88]].<br /> I was tasked with deciding whether to revert this change or not. In theory, Silver's system does make more sense. We do not have separate bloglines for Daniel and Jonas either, and neither do we do that in series like Maddison Atkins. However, since this is a rather drastic departure from our previous (year-old) system, which, among other things, means that videos by OpAphid use three different templates by now, I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this before I go through and revert dozens of videos, when it's actually a logical change.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, it's rather unfortunate that Tachyon's vids have the look and feel of OpAphid now, so if we do keep it the way it is, we should go all the way and create a &quot;neutral&quot; theme for the Aphid template, just as we have for other series. (Not to mention that the transformation wasn't 100% pretty, and all videos would need a post-change checkup of the links and variable settings.)<br /> <br /> In addition, I just heard that it's, for some reason necessary that the new vids use the RedEarth template, so changing the post-canon vids over is kind of out of question.<br /> <br /> Even though I loathe the work, I, personally, vote for a cleaned-up unification, including a new template theme, simply because we're doing it everywhere else as well, and it actually makes sense to have Brother's and Tachyon's videos, which are more or less a back-and-forth in communication, lined up next to each other.<br /> <br /> Still, the old system is over a year old, and it's a rather drastic change, so...what's ''your'' opinion?<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:29, 5 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == The new favicon ==<br /> <br /> Who the fuck is responsible for the new favicon and how can I punish him?<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:59, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> *sorry to be dense, renegade, but what's a favicon? --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:05, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::'''Fav'''orites '''Icon''' - the ugly black thing in your browser's title bar/tab row, next to &quot;LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony&quot;.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:11, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Ah, i see it now. Thanks. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 22:10, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :It's Ugly....With a capital &quot;U&quot; ... I mean....What were they thinking?! Nasty :( --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 17 Nov 2007 00:08 (PST)<br /> <br /> ::I completely agree. We need to start a protest or something.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:28, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Image Redirecting ==<br /> <br /> At first, I was willing to put up with it... but now, I am finding image redirecting OUT OF CONTROL. The idea is to use it on pages like Characters or something.. when someone could click the image, because they'd think it would take them to that character's page. We do NOT need to redirect every single image is uploaded. <br /> <br /> Redirecting makes everything harder to keep track of... harder to see what images have been categorized and what haven't... harder to read any image descriptions or whatever, etc. Plus, plenty of times images are used in more than one place, and if they redirect to a certain page, it may not take you to the page you want to go to. And.. also, it's a lot harder when trying to snag an image for use on a page if you have to go to the page they redirect to, then unredirect yourself back to the image and snag the URL, and yeah... I could go oooon and onnnn.<br /> <br /> Image redirection used to be the exception, not the rule. And ever since that has changed, it has been a nightmare for me. So please, can we please go back to making it the EXCEPTION again? Pretty please? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:36, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :I've never really like the idea of image redirecting although I do see it's usefulness. You'd think there would be a way of having an image link to a certain page rather than the image page itself. I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring this up. Has anyone heard if this is possible, or if not, why this functionality hasn't been added?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:28, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::If there is a way to do it, I haven't yet figured it out. We do not, however, have the latest version of MediaWiki, so it's possible the functionality has been added, but that we do not have the ability to use it. I agree, there is a time and a place for image redirecting, but I really believe that redirecting every image that comes up on the pedia is WAY overkill and ultimately does more bad than good. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:55, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> }:::There is no such feature in MediaWiki; there would be a more or less convenient way if this installation supported embedding of &quot;external&quot; images, but whoever made the config turned that of. Should we get FTP access to the installation, I could change that, and one could use the image path instead of a descriptive text in normal external link code. (At least theoretically. And practically, I'd probably write a template to do that.)<br /> :::We do have [[Template:Imagelink]], though, which superimposes a link area over an image.<br /> :::@jonpro: I assume the reason for the lack of this feature is that the MediaWiki software is developed for Wikipedia, which primarily uses free licenses - these often include an attribution clause, and that attribution wouldn't happen if a click on the image didn't lead to the image page.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:24, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :A good way to take care of the problem is to install the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap ImageMap Extension], assuming we can. All of the templates would need to be updated, but it would be probably be trivial to do so. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:19, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I don't know why I labeled that as a minor edit, but I thought I'd mention that that's the only way (other than the template Renegade mentioned) that I've found to do that without redirects. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:28, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I didn't mention the extension for a simple reason: Even if we ''could'' install it (which we can't until we get FTP access), the syntax is hardly something you'd want to impose on a casual user. Simply being able to use the address of an image as the link text would be a lot easier to comprehend. We're talking about<br /> &lt;pre&gt;&lt;imagemap&gt;<br /> Image:Foo.jpg|200px|picture of a foo<br /> rect 0 0 199 199 [[Foo type A]]<br /> desc bottom-left<br /> &lt;/imagemap&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;<br /> ::vs. &lt;code&gt;[page address image address]&lt;/code&gt;.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:28, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :::Would that really be that difficult to put into a template, though? For instance, for the character listing just plop this into the code in place of the current image call:<br /> &lt;pre&gt;&lt;imagemap&gt;<br /> Image:{{{image}}}|{{{imagewidth|{{ #expr: {{{width|240}}}/2 }}}}}px<br /> rect 0 0 1000 1000 [[{{{charactername}}}]]<br /> desc none<br /> &lt;/imagemap&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;<br /> :::It was just a suggestion, though. The other stuff would require template changes anyway. The image address being able to be used as the link description would be awesome, but it still doesn't exist... :/ - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:19, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Hmm. Actually (again, if uploading an extension were possible), the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageLink ImageLink Extension] is a lot better. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:29, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Also thought I'd add that we probably shouldn't use [[Template:Imagelink]], as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Clickable_images Wikipedia is phasing it out] due to many problems it creates. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:44, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Video Dates In Pages==<br /> <br /> This is not a critical issue, but something worth discussion. At this point we are 18 months into the lg15 series. There are areas of Lg15 plot which were very important at certain points (like LaRezisto, or Gemma, or Tachyon), that later resolved or become less important. When viewing pages which discuss key character or plot issues (like Gemma, or Spencer, or the Order of Denderah, etc.), I myself find it useful to know when the videos about that subject were released, without having to click on every video link. I think in a chronological way. Thus, I sometimes put video dates into an lgpedia article to let readers easily know when something occurred in the context of the whole storyline. Like, for [[Ted McKinley]] i put it &quot;He first appeared at the press conference filmed in [[What's Going on?]] (Oct. 19, 2007), where he helped ...&quot;. That way the reader easily knows, ok, this Ted guy is not relevant to the first year of the show. <br /> <br /> We have no set convention for dealing with this issue that I am aware of, and wondered whether we should set one. I am not saying that every video link needs a date after it like a legal brief would cite cases, but there are articles where it would be useful. (For example, [[The order]] article has them; [[Emma]] does not). Even if we don't come up with any policy, I wanted to raise the issue for people to think about when editing. Thoughts? --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:19, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Revamping FanFic ==<br /> <br /> ===The &quot;Plan&quot;===<br /> Right now, I think we are faced with a situation where the LGPedia has become overloaded with fan fiction pages and this is a problem. Now, don't get me wrong, I am absolutely '''not''' saying that fan fiction pages on the pedia are bad. Quite the opposite, I'm saying that I think they're good! But with the massive amounts of scattered info we have now, I think we are making it much harder for anyone to really understand what's going on. We also have a lot of extraneous pages, (like video transcripts for obscure series that do not add value to the section on that series) which ultimately only overwhelms anyone who comes here to learn more about a fanfic series.<br /> <br /> So, what I propose is this. I think that we should do a massive cleanup of the fanfic section of the site. I think that instead of treating the section as a free-for-all, we should try to get some sort of streamlined guide to just how each series will be treated.<br /> <br /> ====The Types====<br /> I think we should divide the fanfic up into five types as far as how we deal with them:<br /> <br /> '''Type 1''' - These series get a single page similar to the current [[Lonelyjew15]] page. They consist of one page where all the information you'd need to get an understanding of the series is found. The main things that show up on these pages are '''plot summary''', '''character info''', and '''important links''' for watching and following the story more closely. There can be other sections, such as a &quot;Notes&quot; section, but mostly the pages should follow the same general format. The page will serve as a &quot;run-down&quot; to the series it covers.<br /> <br /> '''Type 2''' - Unlike Type 1 series, Type 2 series will all be collected together on one massive page where each series will have its own description. Most of the time the descriptive info on these series is similar to what is contained in a Type 1 series, but to a lesser extent.<br /> <br /> '''Type 3''' - Like with any rule, there can and probably will be exceptions. What would go on these pages would be determined on an &quot;as needed&quot; basis.<br /> <br /> '''Type 4''' - This type covers any major relevant ARGs or series. Since series in this type tend to be complex, they often will require more than one page. [[Cassieiswatching]] and [[redearth88]] are great examples of this. Because of the large-scale undertaking of these series, this type will have to be admin approved before they can go forward.<br /> <br /> '''Type 5''' - There are some series that simply don't belong on the LGPedia at all (adult film entertainment, anyone? :)). These ones do not need pages.<br /> <br /> ====Qualifying====<br /> I think each series needs to be examined individually to determine where it best fits within the above types. A strong case should have to be made regarding why any particular series should receive a type of page. Some good reasons would be: number of subscribers, average number of views per video, notibility in the Breeniverse, and many more. Because of this, I believe we should evaluate each series independantly.<br /> <br /> If the idea takes off, I'm happy to create a page where we can discuss statuses for each series. I'm not going to do that now though, because I want to make sure people are on board for the idea first.<br /> <br /> Hopefully you guys like this idea, and hopefully you are on board with it! I truly believe it will do wonders for both getting more editors (who now mostly sit befuddled, wondering how to add such elaborate fanfic pages) and for getting new viewers for fanfic series, as viewers will be less confused when the content is laid out in a neat fashion. Please let me know what you think!!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ===Comments===<br /> :''Yes, I made a section for comments, this would be too confusing otherwise, lol. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)''<br /> ::Well, if there's one project to rocket us to 2008, it would be this. Everything above sounds like a great starting point. To clarify, videos ''must'' be fiction, yes, in order to qualify for the above types. They can't just be a LG/KM fan responding, commenting, or spoofing (of course, if they've made themselves into an in-universe fictional character then that's different). I don't know, I just get the feeling that we're going to have to be painstakenly detailed in our discussions in the matter :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:09, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ----<br /> ::Since I've been trying to get rid of the fan-series mess ever since I joined, I of course support this motion, but I'd like rules on series template creation to be included, i.e. whether your &quot;Type 4&quot; series should get their own blog- and other templates, or if they should use stuff like FakeBlog. I don't quite feel like eliminating another dozen uselessly created, outdated fan blog templates.<br /> ::It should also be possible to create a Template:FanCharBlock, that simply takes a page and styling options as arguments - so you'd have ''one'' fan-char-block template, and the contents would be located at pages like Redearth88/charblock.<br /> ::I do think your typification scale is counterintuitive, though - imo, it should be an ascending or descending scale, e.g.<br /> ::{|<br /> !Level 0<br /> |No pages<br /> !or, alternatively,<br /> |width=&quot;20&quot;|<br /> !Tier 1<br /> |Full coverage<br /> |-<br /> !Level 1<br /> |Single page, few information<br /> !descending instead of<br /> |<br /> !Tier 2<br /> |Tier 3 Exceptions<br /> |-<br /> !Level 2<br /> |Single page, comprehensive information<br /> !ascending<br /> |<br /> !Tier 3<br /> |Single page, comprehensive information<br /> |-<br /> !Level 3<br /> |Level 2 exceptions<br /> |<br /> |<br /> !Tier 4<br /> |Single page, few information<br /> |-<br /> !Level 4<br /> |Full coverage<br /> |<br /> |<br /> !Tier 5<br /> |No pages<br /> |}<br /> ::No matter how we name a series's grade, we have to find an acceptable way to rate them that doesn't look like pure arbitrariness to the community...something with hard data, like combined viewcount of the first twenty videos or something, with no chance to be selected before the series reaches at least twenty vids (unless it ends before that).<br /> ::Beyond that, I suggest creating a Portal:Community, or use the existing (unused and barely known) [[LGPedia:Community Portal]] page to create a portal similar to the series ones, which only reports about Tier 1/Level 5/Type 4 series - like new Redearth videos released, link to series mainpages and similar things.<br /> ::And more or less independent from that, the topic of spoofs that Pheon brought up is interesting...although I agree that mere replies should (of course) not be listed, certain spoofs should at least be collected on a central &quot;LG15 Spoofs&quot; page or something similar (or do we have something like that already?) - because especially milo's recent works are quite funny and deserve long-term exposure.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Let me just clarify, this discussion is JUST for fanfic SERIES and how they will be treated on the pedia. Any discussion about what to do about it after the fact is arbitrary at this point, as creating a portal cannot happen unless we have some sort of focus. If we want to create a portal, or any other means of featuring the fanfic AFTER THE FACT, that discussion should take place '''after the fact'''. So let's please not discuss that at this time.<br /> <br /> Also, I agree that there are many notable spoof videos and other notable single videos. I don't really think we need to decide anything definite for that at the moment, because that's not really what this discussion is about. However, I think making a single page where we list all of the videos with some sort of description or whatnot would work. Really though, that's also something we can discuss after the fact if need be, and not what this discussion should focus on.<br /> <br /> Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:47, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ----<br /> Some quick points...<br /> <br /> * I don't really get all this levels and tiers stuff. For one thing it does help new series. If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?<br /> <br /> * Second &quot;Fan Fiction&quot; is a bad catch all category. The accepted industry related term is User Generated Content or (UGC), and while that applies to derivative series it doesn't apply to original series. The distinction in my mind being that a story be dependent on being a user of the site.<br /> <br /> * I think you should really work with theCs and BK on this. There is a upcoming redesign that will effect UGC and the way it's presented and I assume terminology figures into that. I would think it would be logical tha the lgpedia be consistent with that.<br /> --[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 21:50, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :In reply to your points, in order:<br /> :*The idea is not to &quot;penalize&quot; anybody. The idea is to keep the LGPedia clean. When a new series starts out, there is no sure-fire way of knowing how many hits they'll get, how notable they'll be, whether they'll even stick around, etc. Plenty of times we have people create something on the LGPedia when their series is new, and then stop adding things, which either leaves the burden of keeping a minor series up to date on the LGPedians, or leaves the LGPedia looking messy and incomplete, which is not &quot;good for buisness,&quot; if you will. We have also had new series come on and create a lot of pages (some of whom eventually stopped, and the burden was shifted on to LGPedians, often me :() and then they decided they no longer wanted their pages on LGPedia, and asked us to delete all of that hard work. That just seems counter-productive. Instead, what makes sense, at least to me, is when a new series starts, their content can be featured on a smaller scale, and as they progress and we see what happens, we can easily promote the series to a higher level. There is ''nothing'' that says that the &quot;level&quot; or &quot;tier&quot; or whatever term we use is set in stone. Like I said, we are not looking to &quot;penalize&quot; anyone, but to keep things clean and effective from a Pedia standpoint.<br /> <br /> :*The term &quot;fan fiction&quot; is used in this dicussion simply because it is what the &quot;Category&quot; on LGPedia is called and has been since... well, I'd say the dawn of time, but I'm not sure how accurate that is :P. Either way, it is used in this discussion for that reason, and not to disrespect any UGC or other content-creators.<br /> <br /> :*Of course BK and the C's can be in on this discussion. But I wanted to bring it to LGPedia first, as this is, after all, a community site, and when I present the thoughts to BK/C's, I figured it is best to have a solid idea of where the community stands.<br /> <br /> :Hope this clears some stuff up, at least about where I'm coming from! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:14, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ----<br /> :{{quote|Immortal1|I don't really get all this levels and tiers stuff. For one thing it does help new series. If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?}}<br /> :Counter-question: Why should a &quot;series&quot; that has barely released one episode occupy one episode page, one general description page, two character pages, two &quot;xxx's blog&quot; categories, a general category, a blog template and a character index template?<br /> :Just to add some math to Zoey's reply: We're talking about 9 pages for a &quot;series&quot; of one episode with two characters. If the &quot;series&quot;'s creators then decide to be even more important and add pages for the actors, director and other staff, as well as filmography categories for them, then you're (with only one camera man as staff) at 19 pages for one episode with two characters already.<br /> :And now imagine this: The &quot;series&quot; gets a mere 50 views on youtube, adds a second episode that never gets added to the pedia, and two weeks later, the projects is dead. And we're stuck with 19 meaningless pages, just because somebody made ''one'' video.<br /> :I have said this in the past, but I think I'll have to repeat it: I have no intent to belittle the efforts of the content creating part of the community - but the fact that somebody somewhere made something and declared it to be connected to the Breeniverse does not automatically make it significant enough to be included on LGPedia.<br /> :There is certain stuff that, no matter how much effort and love was invested in it, the general community just doesn't care about. The deciding factors for LGPedia pages are prominence and impact of the page's subject matter - not personal vanity.<br /> <br /> :Just think about it this way: There are [[The party guests|canon characters]] and [[Cameos|actors]] of the official main series that don't have their own pages - if we don't even give every ''canon'' character his own page, why should we add pages for ''non''-canon characters that only five people in the community know so far?<br /> :If a series grows and becomes popular, it is ''inevitable'' to branch it out into multiple pages and categorize it - simply to conquer the growing amount of information. But if all information on a series fits on one page with no loss of clarity, then that's a pretty good sign it doesn't need multiple pages.<br /> <br /> :Zoey: Touching that topic, maybe we should assign &quot;series maintainers&quot; for branching out series. i.e. if LeetBlogger15 wants to add separate episode pages for a medium series, we could allow it under the condition that he actively maintains them, and delete them straight away if he doesn't. That way, series of a certain size could branch out without you getting a headache over half-finished pages and dead links. If it looks like crap and the page isn't maintained, it just gets deleted and the creator loses his chance to branch out due to lack of encyclopaedic interest (b/c, if other people had cared for the pages, they'd have fixed them).<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:49, 22 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ----<br /> '''My response to this whole thing:'''<br /> <br /> I love the idea of categorizing UGC/FanFic like this. Right now, the 'Pedia is a big mess full of barely notable &quot;series&quot; and the characters of that &quot;series.&quot; (I have to say - and am sorry to say - that I am responsible with the community for a lot of that clutter.) <br /> <br /> And I love Zoey's original Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4, and Type 5 ideas. However, I'm a bit confused as to what Type 3 is. Could anyone clear that up for me? What exactly are you talking about by exceptions? Hmm?<br /> <br /> Just some comments/clear community understandings of Type 1... So, what I'm understanding is that Type 1 is a notable video series with more than 4 main characters and at least more than 15 videos. Type 1 series (whether they are Fan Fiction ''or'' User Generated Content) would only get 1 page with a template - however, I'm not liking the current fact that the Type 1 example [[Lonelyjew15]] has a Person template... shouldn't there be like a FanShow template? The sections on the Type 1 series page would include a summary at the top (no section given), a characters section with brief character blurbs and actors if known (Characters and Cast section), a section with the production credits, if available (Production Crew section), and a section with links to where fans could watch the series and if there are any forums about it, etc. (External Links section). They would be in Category:Type 1 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Now onto Type 2... My understanding is that Type 2 is basically a Type 1 that is not as notable. Basically the same stuff, with less comprehensive information. Right? They would be in Category:Type 2 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Type 3... I do not understand what a Type 3 is. Could somebody please clear this up for the community? They would be in Category:Type 3 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Type 4... Major ARGs or fan series that are very notable, such as [[Redearth88]] or [[Cassieiswatching]], would get more than one page with Major character pages, Cast pages, Episode pages, etc. The main series page would be included in Category:Type 4 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Type 5... tsk tsk. Type 5 doesn't belong on the Pedia. No categories, please.<br /> <br /> About using the Community Portal... Renegade, I like your idea about using the now hardly used Community Portal as sort of a portal for fan fiction. :) Type 4 would get episode pages linked, and it would be noted whenever Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 released videos (they would just get linked to their YouTube video page, however).<br /> <br /> :)<br /> <br /> Comments? Concerns? Questions?<br /> <br /> Thanks,<br /> <br /> :&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 13:07, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Zoey specifically stated we're not supposed to discuss portals or any other &quot;later&quot; stuff, I think we should respect that. We'll have enough time to do that once we figured out which content is important enough in the first place.<br /> :As for elaborating on the types, my previous table makes it pretty clear, imo: You have one &quot;category&quot; of series that get no coverage at all, simply because they're not notable. The next level gets a single page, with maybe a paragraph or two, giving an overview of the series. The next level still gets only a single page, but more comprehensive information, like a list of episodes and characters, and a general plot outline. The level after that is the &quot;exception&quot; level - these are theoretically on the level before, only big enough for a single page, but for a special reason get the big treatment - [[Lonelygirl362436]] would be such an example. It only has 1 1/2 human characters and three episodes, so it shouldn't get the full set of pages - but it was made by the Creators and had very high prominence in the community, so gets treated like the next and highest level: A full set of pages and categories, akin to the canon series.<br /> :And yes, it'd be possible to create a full set of customizable fan templates to be used, in order to eliminate all the custom saved ones.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:43, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::Just to add my input here, I like the idea. Of course, all the details have to be ironed out, and one inherent difficulty with the system is that it is somewhat subjective. To fix this somewhat, I do think ''some'' objective standard should be set (as has been mentioned) like number of views or number of videos in order for a series to reach a certain level/tier. Personally I think view count would be better since having a lot of videos does not necessarily mean that the series is popular. For including videos on the massive &quot;fan fiction&quot; page (or whatever it's called), I think we should be ''fairly'' liberal in what gets added. Obviously, we don't want to be too liberal, but it takes minimal effort to add a short description about a series, and it can provide much-needed publicity for a new series. Maybe we could even split this page up into different types of fanfic series, like ARGs, spoofs (if we include them), spinoffs, etc. This should allow more series to be added without things looking as cluttered. Clearly, then, if we're liberal about this page, we'd be much more conservative about series which get more coverage. Writing an entire page on a series can take some time, and writing transcripts can take a ''long'' time ([[Jonas Conference Call]] anyone?), and there's no point wasting time writing them if no one really cares. Oh, and I like the idea of the customizable fan templates, Renegade. That'll standardize things and remove a lot of clutter. This whole thing is definitely a touchy subject, but I think everyone is handling it well. I hope we reach a good solution because this is something that's needed to be done for a long time now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:48, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::I don't understand why the number of main characters in a show needs to be a factor in deciding whether or not it is worthy of a certain rank/class/type/tier/level/zone/whatever. ItsCassie, anyone? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 19:52, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::::Nobody ever said it has to be one - it was just part of the example. One new character and three videos is vastly smaller than Maddison Atkins or Redearth are, for example.<br /> :::::First and foremost, &quot;notability&quot; is the important factor. In itscassie's case, video view counts would probably checked, and general community prominence would be tried to assess.<br /> ::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:53, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::::: Ah, okay; I apologize. I misunderstood. The number of characters was just being thrown out as an example, not something set in stone. I agree that notability should be the most important thing in deciding what gets put in what tier. For example, CassieIsWatching, while lacking a large story or many characters, had a HUGE following and a HUGE effect on the Breeniverse (Glenn created OpAphid after seeing CiW, which led to many events in LG15 from Nov. 06 to Mar. 07... Later led to RE88, etc.) --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 21:06, 23 December 2007 (CST)</div>

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<p>Rekidk: /* Revamping FanFic */</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] &amp; [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]<br /> <br /> [[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]<br /> <br /> <br /> Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing &lt;nowiki&gt;~~~~&lt;/nowiki&gt; at the end.<br /> <br /> For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]<br /> <br /> <br /> &lt;br clear=&quot;left&quot;&gt;<br /> <br /> __TOC__<br /> __NEWSECTIONLINK__<br /> <br /> <br /> ==No uploading??==<br /> <br /> The &quot;Upload File&quot; function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago. <br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|&lt;span style=&quot;color:darkgreen&quot;&gt;JB&lt;small&gt;SHRYNE&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt;]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being &quot;&lt;code&gt;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg&lt;/code&gt;&quot; and &quot;&lt;code&gt;Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif&lt;/code&gt;&quot;.<br /> <br /> ::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::&lt;small&gt;P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> ::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Missions Page==<br /> I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::There i tried to start it, but it wasn't very succesful. If you are good with codes please go here. http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Houdini/sandbox<br /> <br /> :That was just an idea to have the blue border and the table format. If you like can you spoof it up a bit. And if you don't, feel free to change it.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:35, 25 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::We could do the capturing of Jules, the Vegas capturing of BDJ, the tailing of Alex, the search for Isaac Gilman, the race to contact Spencer Gilman, Daniel breaking into the EPOGEN warehouse, Daniel breaking into Lucy's apartment, the Mexico capturing of Alex by Lucy, getting Bree back, Bree escaping to be with her fellow Hymnies, getting Bree back again, the Order murdering Drew and Isaac, Brother murdering Gemma, Tachyon exposing Gemma, and so the saga continues. It's a lot, but I think it'd be nice to keep all the missions somewhere. '''Strong support.''' &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:41, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Show Template?==<br /> Considering that [[lonelygirl15]] and [[KateModern]] right now both use [[Template:FakeBlog2]], I think it's time for a show template. The show template could have slots for the creators of the show, the main cast of the show, an image of the main cast of the show, a caption for that image, beginning date to end date (end date optional - if you don't fill it in, it would say &quot;to present&quot;), optional spin-off slot, &amp; more. Any opinions? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 10:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Any thoughts at all? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Hello? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::You remind me of a child...&quot;Mom, look what I'm doing! Mom! Mom! Look! YOU'RE NOT LOOOOOKING!!!&quot;<br /> :::Isn't the fact that nobody responds answer enough?<br /> :::We. Don't. Care.<br /> :::The current setup works fine. On a theoretical level, you are right. FakeBlog2 is abused in that situation, and a dedicated template would make sense. But practically, ''it's overkill''. Why create an entire new template for ''two pages'' if the hack works flawlessly?<br /> :::The only difference a dedicated show template would make is that a dozen fan series would start using it.<br /> :::So, as said...nobody responded for a reason. If you consider it necessary, go ahead and do it. But the fact that not even ''Houdini'', who's enthusiastic about pretty much everything, replied, should give you a hint about how much interest there is in this topic.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::That was harsh Renegade. Anywase i honestly didn't get what you meant silver. I must have read it while i was tired. Anywase i say go ahead and do it. It doesn't hurt to do it. It only adds to LGPedia in a good way. Oh and renegade what did that enthusiastic thing mean.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:42, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::What was harsh about that? If all other discussions on this page get replies but this one doesn't, that ''is'' a pretty good indicator that nobody cares. There's nothing harsh about that, and it's not even ment in an insulting way. That's just how it is. As I said, on a technical level, he's right, so there's probably no one here who'd object - but on a practical level, everything works, so no one here is motivated to change it, either. So, nobody cares. If he wants to change it, fine. If not, everything still works. Nothing harsh about it. Just human nature.<br /> :::And that enthusiastic thing was pointing out that, even though you are involved in everything and always happy to edit and start new projects, not even ''you'' cared before you saw me reference you. I was just trying to put the lack of interest into perspective.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Guys, please take it easy around here . . . .--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:09, 29 July 2007 <br /> (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Alright sorry Pheon.I wasn't going to start a fight i was just wondering what that statement meant.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::I figured no one was responding to this, so I haven't checked Lucy's Balcony in a while. When I saw it... Renegade, that was harsh. I remind you of a whining child? I was just wondering if any administrators had any opinions or input to my idea, because, as always, I am trying to help the LGPedia. You're just hurting its members. Thanks for your support Pheon, and Houdini. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 16:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::It was the truth. If you consider the truth harsh, then fine, it was harsh. But I am not to blame for the truth. You posted ''thrice'' and the only reason I replied was because I feared you wouldn't stop unless you got some feedback.<br /> ::::If nobody cares, nobody cares. That's not my opinion, that's not an attempt to insult you, that's just reality.<br /> ::::Seriously, think about it: If I was wrong, if &quot;nobody cares&quot; was a lie, why am I the only one responding? Houdini replied to me, because I mentioned him. Pheon replied because a fight seemed to start. The only one replying to ''you'' was me, and only because you kept spamming &quot;hello? Hello? HELLO?&quot;.<br /> ::::If you hadn't kept posting until someone replied, I'd have never replied, so Houdini would've never replied, so Pheon would've never replied. If you hadn't spammed, you would've gotten no reply at all. That is fucking ''reality'', not an attempt to insult you. ''That alone'' should prove that I'm right.<br /> ::::I have given you my opinion. You are technically right, but it doesn't matter. And I'd bet the fact that it doesn't matter is the reason you weren't getting any replies.<br /> ::::So excuse me for not getting all touchy feely when the sole reason for my post was to stop you from posting &quot;hello? someone there?&quot; until the end of eternity.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> This = Stupid. Everyone = breathe. Conversation = over. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:47, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==LGPedia: pages==<br /> Now that the LGPedia is thriving, perhaps we should have some more LGPedia: namespace policy pages, plus things like LG:CHU (LGPedia:Changing username) and LG:SHORT (LGPedia:Shortcuts). I'm just trying to get some wiki-like content from Wikipedia, so let me know what you think. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Hello? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I say go ahead. But talk to an admin first.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I'm going to say something to [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] right now. &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 09:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==I Finished the Missions Page==<br /> I did it today, man that was work. Anywase tell me what you think, and also thanks silverbullet for all your help. If you see something that need changes then go ahead and change it. If you don't see a mission that i missed than put it in there.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 16:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Potential naming problem==<br /> I've just noticed that KM-images are named using the same scheme as the LG15 ones; sure, the probability it comes to actual naming conflicts is low, but shouldn't we add an infix for organizational purposes? Otherwise, we'll have stuff like<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> *00XA-blablabla<br /> in a few months, and no one will be able to tell which blablabla belongs to KM and which to LG15. I'm thinking of force-suggesting 9999-'''KM'''-Description-Modification.xxx here. Alternatively, '''KM'''9999-Description-Modification.xxx would separate them entirely in file listings. Opinions?<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:16, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::ill try to stick to it, you should talk to psmith he uploads a lot of pictures--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 20:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Psmith is doing LG15, but Truncatedslinky seems to be the KM equivalent. I'll message him. Good idea, thank you. :)<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:48, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::thats true, he/she i dont know is doing a lot of pictures and this would help out a lot for orginization<br /> ::good idea--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Cool, that's fine, I just didn't know you guys wanted to do that. I can rename the pictures and upload them again if absolutely necessary. I don't always upload a ton of pictures, but there were basically none on the KateModern site and it definitely needed some. Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 22:42, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Damnit! 50/50 chance...I chose &quot;him&quot; because of the Daniel/Jonas hook up support userbox (guessed you were a gay male). Sorry for the misinterpretation.<br /> ::::Anyway, I don't think re-uploading will be necessary, as long as we start doing that from now on.<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:40, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::Amended image naming convention for KM sounds good. Let me know what you decide and I can change the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] to reflect it. I prefer having KM at the very beginning (e.g. '''KM0006-KateHoldingASandwich.jpg''' to replace &quot;0006-YummyPiggies.jpg&quot;). We probably also need 2 new image categories (&quot;LG show images&quot; and &quot;KM show images&quot;) but that would require a lot of tedious categorizing (maybe a job for [[LGBot]]?) Your opinions on this would be appreciated. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::::P.S. I haven't got involved in KM images yet as I haven't watched any of the shows. Are they any good? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Eh . . . it's got potential, IMO. But frankly, I've been more concentrated for the LG Season Finale, so don't take my criticism too strongly. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:47, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::::I'm with you on that, Pheon. I'll hold out on it for a while longer because I think the Creators deserve that much. Anyway, if you guys need something done with the LGBot, just let me know. I am still here reading things; I just don't have the time to get into very much editing.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:26, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Personally I like, and have been using 9999-KM-Description.jpg. I think we should definately make a decision soon though, before too many images get added. Please, everyone, post! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:42, 19 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :If the KM is at the beginning it is easier to sort through a whole bunch of files ordered alphabetically (i.e. the LG and KM files separate out as Renegade mentioned). This probably only affects me because I have so many images on my laptop from which I upload on to LGPedia. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :P.S. Is there an easy way to tag images with the show name and episode number without embedding in the name or is the only way to tediously categorize every image with &quot;Images of Episode 9999&quot; and &quot;Images of Show XX&quot;? Could LGBot categorize by looking at the file name? I'm thinking it would be nice to have a page that works like [[:Category:Videos_by_length]] called something like &quot;Category:Images_by_episode&quot;. Anyone know how to do this? If not, don't worry... not important. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::That's fair, I see your point. Is there a way to update image names online.. or would someone have to reupload all of them using the new name. Er, would anyone want to volunteer for that? XD haha. And yes, I agree, that would be an AWESEOME page to have. I think we'll have to ask Jonpro if the bot would make this possible though.... Jon? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::The last time we started an image naming convention we just decided to leave current images as they were and start being strict from then on. However, I might go back and redo some image names if I have time (yes it will require reuploading and deleting the old one). Do you want to update [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] or shall I? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Oh you can go ahead and do it, if you dont mind. You're good at explaining these sorts of things. So any KM images will start with KM.. but leave the LG ones as they are, right? Sounds good.. I'll let you update the mediawiki page though (and I'll remove this from active discussions, since this seems to be resolved, yay).<br /> <br /> ==Portals==<br /> I know this is going to sound really bad coming from be but, should the [[missions]] page be on Portal:Lonelygirl15 and Portal:KateModern because the page is a big part for both series. If it need some touching up before it is put on there thats ok, but what do you guys think.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:26, 30 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> : I do think its got potential, but in its preliminary stages I still think it needs some &quot;fine-tuning.&quot; Let's give the page some more time to develop and then we can worry about where it should belong --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:33, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : Since it's cross-series, it might be positioned better in the &quot;LG15 Universe Central&quot; box on the main page. But before it goes ''that'' public, it needs some visual touch ups. ;)<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:44, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> it definately needs touching up thats for sure--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:34, 31 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Maddison Atkins ==<br /> <br /> Should the character page change to Maddison and the ARG page move to Maddison Atkins.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:23, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I see no reasoning for that, but it's a good idea as always, Houdini. Thanks for the idea, but I think that the equivalent of Maddison is indeed Maddison Atkins, and that the ARG page should stay at Maddison Avenue. Thanks, though! &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 16:12, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Relationships ==<br /> <br /> Also should we move relationships to Lonelygirl15 relationships, and add Katemodern relationships, because we already know a few relationships for katemodern such as kate and tariq...charlie and gavin...and kate and scott or is it steve. Anywase if not that then i think we should make relationships as a link for the main page, just like what were doing with missions.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:53, 12 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ==Location pages for KM==<br /> About Location pages for KM... we may want to wait a bit before we decide how to do this because at this rate they'll be filming all over London. So we could end up with:<br /> *By City - &quot;Images of London.&quot;<br /> *By Postcode - &quot;Images of EC1&quot;, &quot;Images of W1&quot; etc. (London postcodes that UK people will easily understand and can be explained to others - EC1 = East Central 1, W1 = West 1 etc.) Advantage = exact with no discussion required.<br /> *By London Area Name - &quot;Images of Spitalfields&quot;, &quot;Images of Soho&quot; etc. (these are the names of small areas of London). Advantage = friendly names rather than impersonal postcodes but there are grey areas as it were on deciding where one area starts and another ends.<br /> *By Street Name - &quot;Images of Brushfield Street&quot;, &quot;Images of Carnaby Street&quot; etc. This could become a problem given the number of streets that will be filmed upon.<br /> *All of the above so you can browse images however you like. Disadvantage = lot of work for every image.<br /> [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:25, 18 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Shoot. Okay, well I was just going to do the ones you took of Carnaby Street, simply because it was a notable location where a major fan interaction took place. I figured for the episodes where they were just out and about in London, we could do a &quot;General London area&quot; or whatnot. I think with the big thing that just happened at Carnaby St, it's worth a location page, IMO. Er, do you disagree? Blah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Given a lot of the pics are actually Broadwick St. rather than Carnaby St., my first instinct is &quot;Images of Soho&quot;. Especially as more videos may be set in and around these streets given how the Bebo offices are located there. Tariq/Gavin will probably be filmed a lot around Spitalfields/EC1 given that's where their office is supposed to be. But then I understand that maybe someone just wants to search on &quot;Carnaby Street&quot; because of how prominent the street name is in all the videos and interaction. So maybe it should just be &quot;Images of the Carnaby Street area&quot; which is more accurate but longwinded. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:27, 18 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Well, as for the categories themselves, I see no reason not to make specific categories and then group them all into &lt;nowiki&gt;[[Category:Images of London]]&lt;/nowiki&gt; or something similar. As far as location pages, I also don't see why we can't have specific pages for notable locations.. and maybe have a &quot;General London area&quot; page... similar to how we have a specific page for [[Topanga Canyon]] but still have one for [[General LA area]]. I think this works nicely... not sure though? What do you think? :/ --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:54, 19 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Ah... actually I meant to say &quot;location categories&quot; in the first place and not &quot;location pages&quot; (by which you mean the articles I presume). Woops.<br /> ::::It would be nice to have both a London category and subcategories for different parts of London. My rather pedantic point about &quot;Carnaby Street&quot; is that maybe &quot;Carnaby Street area&quot; is more accurate given most of the action took place on Broadwick Street. And yes we definitely need a location ''page'' for this. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Ahh, okay. I wonder if Jon could do this with the bot so I wouldn't have to.. if not, I don't mind going in and adding &quot;area&quot; to the end of the location. Sounds good. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == KM Forum Links ==<br /> KM episode page forum links are pointing to http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/ instead of http://www.lg15.com/katemodern. I think the template has a switch for lg/km but I'm not sure how to use it. [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] &amp; [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] created it so if you see this please update one of the KM video pages as an example and we can do the rest. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:04, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Nice catch, Psmith. It's not the KM video pages that need to be updated, but [[Template:Blog]]. I tried to fix it but failed :(. I'll work on it later if no one has figured it out by then.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:55, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Oops :X<br /> ::My bad, consider it fixed.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Re-Organization Day ==<br /> <br /> Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from [[Characters]] to KM:Characters and LG:Characters. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM}}<br /> :I'm sorry, I don't really see what you are talking about. There ARE seperate pages for [[KM Characters|KateModern characters]] and [[Characters|Lonelygirl15 characters]]. Why do we need to reorganize the wiki? What's wrong with the way it is now? And yea, we're definitely not getting a new Wiki. I just... don't understand your argument at all! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:01, 22 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I have no idea ''why'' he wants to do this, but the syntax he uses would mean entirely separate ''namespaces'' for LG and KM. (Which would be a re-linking nightmare, and totally useless.)<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:03, 22 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::Thats why we SHOULDN'T do that. But there are a lot of other page crossovers where it contains information from both series, and sometimes gets tangled up. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 22 - 2:03 PM}}<br /> ::::What pages are you talking about, specifically? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:05, 22 September 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Need help with title! ==<br /> <br /> There's a new KateModern video named &quot;Hymn of One&quot; but I don't know how to make a page that has the same name as a page that already exists - anybody that can help? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 11:54, 3 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I used Hymn of One (video) but if there is a better way, please to let me know? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 12:42, 3 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::Relax, Theresa, what you did is perfectly fine. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:49, 3 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Vandalism ==<br /> I was shocked by the amount of vandalism that is talking place on the lgpedia lately. I just went to recent changes and half of them were banning of vandals/spammers. This is becoming a serious problem, as our hardworking members should not have to constantly ban all these IP addresses when their time could be better spent. I'm opening a discussion on the topic as to find a solution. The floor is open. Any ideas/comments? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:45, 22 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> :I'm glad you started the discussion. I'm not really sure what the best solution is this time. Before, when the spamming took the form of external links, we were able to filter those by requiring verification when an external link was added. The only solution I can think of for this problem is to require something similar for every edit that is made. I'm not sure if it'd be possible to restrict that to anonymous users or not, but if so that's a possibility. The obvious downside is that it could become a huge hassle for people trying to edit normally. But maybe there's a creative solution that hasn't occurred to me. Ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:30, 22 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::The current external link verification is already annoying. A general captcha for every edit would be death.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> : Isn't there a way where only people with a username can edit? I know it might sounds dumb, but I think it could relieve a few headaches. Who is xwestsidex or whatever? I dunno who he is. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 03:22, 23 October 2007 (PST)<br /> <br /> ::Yes there is - to set that up, we'd either have to protect each page manually (or, ''they''), or we need the FTP access I requested ''months'' ago. But both options would put off casual, unregistered users. You'd be punishing a large majority of users for the deeds of a small, non-community minority of spammers.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::Requiring a username was brought up a while back, and we decided that it's simply not worth it. As Renegade said, it'd be cutting off a lot of people who would otherwise contribute. When I first started editing, I didn't have a username and I don't think I would have gotten involved if I had had to register right away. Besides, being a place that ''anyone'' can edit is somewhat of a cardinal rules of wikis in general. Oh, and xwestsidex is a vandal from a while ago who pops his pathetic head in every once in a while to cause what he thinks is mischief. Suffice it to say that anything from xwestsidex won't really make sense and can probably be reverted.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:36, 23 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :But it's so annoying having to go around stopping the spam. I just spent a good part of my morning chasing around some spammers. I feel like ''I'' spammed the recent changes page. Lol, if you go look there, there's a whole page of just my edits. It's quite embarassing. I know it would cut a whole bunch of ppl out of the loop, but I kinda wish the username verification system was in place. I'm so selfish. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 04:16, 25 October 2007 (PST)<br /> <br /> I don't usually make comments on pages like this, but I thought I'd point a few things out.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -In the last day, there have been 68 edits by anonymous users. 55 of those edits were made by IPs currently banned for being a vandal.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -5 of those remaining 13 were reverted.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> &lt;br /&gt;<br /> As far as edits go that actually &quot;improved&quot; this wiki...&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -2 were people reverting poor edits (one was me!). &lt;br /&gt;<br /> -There was an edit that corrected who posted clues to Emma's code.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -One changed a period to a question mark.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -Three edits were right after each other, and probably could've just been one.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> -There was an edit to theories about Purple Monkey, which is a funny section.&lt;br /&gt;<br /> <br /> --[[User:Ricket|Ricket]] 16:38, 25 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Ricket makes a good point. Surely Registering for an account can't be that big of a deal? I see a lot more benefits than, er, non-benefits, from requiring a username to make edits. From what I've seen, of the dozens of spammers/vandals banned, only one or two were registered users. But seeing as so many people are against it, maybe we could require some question to be answered? (I don't mean 1+4=?, I mean Basic things that anyone who has ever seen the show would know: &quot;The 'p' in &quot;P. Monkey&quot; stands for...&quot; &quot;The lonelygirl15 is _____'s account&quot;, stuff like that? EDIT: Questions are for unregistered users, of course.--[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:09, 30 October 2007 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::Erm, no. Maybe ''that'' would be a hassle. I mean, ''that'' will discourage even more users from editing. (Laziness factor) I've been up until 5 in the morning on LG15 ('cause I have no life) and about more than 90% of the vandalisms that occur during that time is from non-registered people. I've only seen one registered user vandalize and one non-registered person actually contribute to the LGPedia. I do understand that we are trying to include everyone, and that that's what a wiki is all about, but you gotta decide which is th lesser evil: Cutting out non-registered people out and prevent vandalism, or allow everyone to participate even if that includes vandalism. I doubt that this xwestsidex fellow isn't gonna stop any time soon. And who knows? Maybe other people who aren't xwestsidex will vandalize under that alias, just for the fun of vandalizing. Then the problem will ''never'' go away. I don't think, in my opinion, it's worth it. It'll just make the LG15 experience more enjoyable and less of a chore to edit. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 11:57, 30 October 2007 (PST)<br /> :::We should be more worried about the spammers (the ones who put random letters all over pages) than that westside guy,all he does is say 'fish taco' alot. The ones that actually spam the pages are the worst because they are able to work so quickly and we don't block them fast enough. I think the answer is blocking the spammers faster and making more pages have to answer the math questions..thats my thoughts on it. EDIT: We also need to make it to where people who arn't signed in can't change Lucy's Balcony. IP users hardly ever participate in these talks anyway and it would cut down on about half of the spamming. Poor Lucy's Balcony gets it everytime![[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 20:11, 9 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::I actually semi-protected this page a couple of days ago for the very fact that it was getting hit so often. Only registered users should be able to edit it now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:34, 12 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> man, must i say..that its getting horrible with each passing grade. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 10:08, 18 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == KMProduction and Sophie Recap vids deleted?? ==<br /> <br /> Just wondering, why were my KateModern Production and Sophie Recap videos deleted? The pages, I mean. The KateModern Production videos are very much a part of KM and the Sophie Recap videos were posted on the official KateModernLG15 YouTube account, as well as Sophie's own Bebo. And Sophie is just as much official as Nikki B is on LG. So, why were they deleted? &lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:40, 30 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Looking at the [[Special:Log/Delete|deletion log]], [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] put &quot;see [[Talk:Portal:KateModern]]&quot; (I added the link) as the reason for the deletion. I looked there and there seems to be part of an explanation for why the videos shouldn't be included in the official list, but I'm not sure why they can't have pages. Back in the [[List of New Girl Candidates|new ceremony girl]] phase, there were a lot of videos that got pages because they were related to the lonelygirl15 story. Unless there's an explanation somewhere that I'm missing, I'm for restoring the video pages. But since Zoey deleted them, I'll wait for her response before I do anything.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:45, 31 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::I understand Zoey's point but I still think that since the videos were made by the official KM team, they should at least have pages on here. Don't include them in the list, as they're not canon persay, but they still deserve a page.<br /> ::&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 15:50, 31 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I deleted the KateModern production videos because they are ''not'' official videos by any means, they are just BTS extras for anyone who wants to watch them. Not to mention, they are heavily edited and would be hard to transcribe. There's really no purpose to doing so because they don't futher the story in any way. It's like offering a &quot;script&quot; to the bonus features on a DVD. That seems silly. Why not just link to the bonus features and let whomever wants to enjoy them enjoy them?<br /> <br /> About Sophie's videos, I removed them because, they, too, would be hard to transcribe, and are literally just recuts of what already exists in all of the previous transcripts, whereas the lg15 recaps are actual... recaps. But the big deciding factor for me was their lack of placement in the official list of Katemodern videos on the Bebo page.<br /> <br /> I know that we created a bajillion pages way back in the day of the &quot;new girls,&quot; and I'm on purpose trying to avoid going that route again. It was chaos trying to keep up, and I was the one who ended up taking the grunt of the work. For me, it's way more important to focus on videos that are actually important in furthering the two main story than &quot;extras&quot; that are unnecessary and can be understood by watching the other videos or reading the other transcripts. If someone wants to ''personally'' take responsibilty for the maintenance of the pages, and not just create them and never transcribe them... or start out working on them and then give up (meaning this would be something you'd have to keep up long term, because I do not personally see the point of doing any more than just linking to the pages and will therefore not be responsible for their upkeep), then fine, I will undelete them. But if they are just going to sit there as halfway completed pages, there is no reason for them to be created as pages on here. They aren't official, they don't further the stories, and they can, and most likely ''will'' end up just cluttering the LGPedia if people don't actively take responsiblity for them. So yes, that was my logic, at least. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:36, 31 October 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :'''PS''' I thought I should note, the recap videos haven't been ''totally'' removed from the LGPedia by any means. They are still listed on: [[Sophie]]. And the BTS videos are still listed on [[KateModern]].<br /> <br /> == OpAphid mess ==<br /> <br /> Silver recently tried to unify the OpAphid bloglines, and the situation currently is kind of a giant mess. We need a consent on how we're going to treat the series and all connected blogs.<br /> *Before, we had separate templates and &quot;series&quot; strands for Brother, Tachyon and OpAphid. The only thing crossing over was [[Miss Me?]], which used [[Template:Blog]] rather than [[Template:Aphid]]. Apart from that, all bloggers were independent from each other, using their own templates.<br /> *Now, all pre-canon and parallel videos, including Brother's and Tachyon's, use Template:Aphid, up until Miss Me?, which uses Blog, and all following ones use the brand new [[Template:Redearth88]].<br /> I was tasked with deciding whether to revert this change or not. In theory, Silver's system does make more sense. We do not have separate bloglines for Daniel and Jonas either, and neither do we do that in series like Maddison Atkins. However, since this is a rather drastic departure from our previous (year-old) system, which, among other things, means that videos by OpAphid use three different templates by now, I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this before I go through and revert dozens of videos, when it's actually a logical change.<br /> <br /> On the other hand, it's rather unfortunate that Tachyon's vids have the look and feel of OpAphid now, so if we do keep it the way it is, we should go all the way and create a &quot;neutral&quot; theme for the Aphid template, just as we have for other series. (Not to mention that the transformation wasn't 100% pretty, and all videos would need a post-change checkup of the links and variable settings.)<br /> <br /> In addition, I just heard that it's, for some reason necessary that the new vids use the RedEarth template, so changing the post-canon vids over is kind of out of question.<br /> <br /> Even though I loathe the work, I, personally, vote for a cleaned-up unification, including a new template theme, simply because we're doing it everywhere else as well, and it actually makes sense to have Brother's and Tachyon's videos, which are more or less a back-and-forth in communication, lined up next to each other.<br /> <br /> Still, the old system is over a year old, and it's a rather drastic change, so...what's ''your'' opinion?<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:29, 5 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == The new favicon ==<br /> <br /> Who the fuck is responsible for the new favicon and how can I punish him?<br /> :~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:59, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> *sorry to be dense, renegade, but what's a favicon? --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:05, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::'''Fav'''orites '''Icon''' - the ugly black thing in your browser's title bar/tab row, next to &quot;LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony&quot;.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:11, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Ah, i see it now. Thanks. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 22:10, 16 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :It's Ugly....With a capital &quot;U&quot; ... I mean....What were they thinking?! Nasty :( --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 17 Nov 2007 00:08 (PST)<br /> <br /> ::I completely agree. We need to start a protest or something.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:28, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Image Redirecting ==<br /> <br /> At first, I was willing to put up with it... but now, I am finding image redirecting OUT OF CONTROL. The idea is to use it on pages like Characters or something.. when someone could click the image, because they'd think it would take them to that character's page. We do NOT need to redirect every single image is uploaded. <br /> <br /> Redirecting makes everything harder to keep track of... harder to see what images have been categorized and what haven't... harder to read any image descriptions or whatever, etc. Plus, plenty of times images are used in more than one place, and if they redirect to a certain page, it may not take you to the page you want to go to. And.. also, it's a lot harder when trying to snag an image for use on a page if you have to go to the page they redirect to, then unredirect yourself back to the image and snag the URL, and yeah... I could go oooon and onnnn.<br /> <br /> Image redirection used to be the exception, not the rule. And ever since that has changed, it has been a nightmare for me. So please, can we please go back to making it the EXCEPTION again? Pretty please? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:36, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :I've never really like the idea of image redirecting although I do see it's usefulness. You'd think there would be a way of having an image link to a certain page rather than the image page itself. I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring this up. Has anyone heard if this is possible, or if not, why this functionality hasn't been added?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:28, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::If there is a way to do it, I haven't yet figured it out. We do not, however, have the latest version of MediaWiki, so it's possible the functionality has been added, but that we do not have the ability to use it. I agree, there is a time and a place for image redirecting, but I really believe that redirecting every image that comes up on the pedia is WAY overkill and ultimately does more bad than good. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:55, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> }:::There is no such feature in MediaWiki; there would be a more or less convenient way if this installation supported embedding of &quot;external&quot; images, but whoever made the config turned that of. Should we get FTP access to the installation, I could change that, and one could use the image path instead of a descriptive text in normal external link code. (At least theoretically. And practically, I'd probably write a template to do that.)<br /> :::We do have [[Template:Imagelink]], though, which superimposes a link area over an image.<br /> :::@jonpro: I assume the reason for the lack of this feature is that the MediaWiki software is developed for Wikipedia, which primarily uses free licenses - these often include an attribution clause, and that attribution wouldn't happen if a click on the image didn't lead to the image page.<br /> ::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:24, 17 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :A good way to take care of the problem is to install the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap ImageMap Extension], assuming we can. All of the templates would need to be updated, but it would be probably be trivial to do so. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:19, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I don't know why I labeled that as a minor edit, but I thought I'd mention that that's the only way (other than the template Renegade mentioned) that I've found to do that without redirects. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:28, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::I didn't mention the extension for a simple reason: Even if we ''could'' install it (which we can't until we get FTP access), the syntax is hardly something you'd want to impose on a casual user. Simply being able to use the address of an image as the link text would be a lot easier to comprehend. We're talking about<br /> &lt;pre&gt;&lt;imagemap&gt;<br /> Image:Foo.jpg|200px|picture of a foo<br /> rect 0 0 199 199 [[Foo type A]]<br /> desc bottom-left<br /> &lt;/imagemap&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;<br /> ::vs. &lt;code&gt;[page address image address]&lt;/code&gt;.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:28, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> :::Would that really be that difficult to put into a template, though? For instance, for the character listing just plop this into the code in place of the current image call:<br /> &lt;pre&gt;&lt;imagemap&gt;<br /> Image:{{{image}}}|{{{imagewidth|{{ #expr: {{{width|240}}}/2 }}}}}px<br /> rect 0 0 1000 1000 [[{{{charactername}}}]]<br /> desc none<br /> &lt;/imagemap&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;<br /> :::It was just a suggestion, though. The other stuff would require template changes anyway. The image address being able to be used as the link description would be awesome, but it still doesn't exist... :/ - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:19, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Hmm. Actually (again, if uploading an extension were possible), the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageLink ImageLink Extension] is a lot better. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:29, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> ::::Also thought I'd add that we probably shouldn't use [[Template:Imagelink]], as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Usability/Clickable_images Wikipedia is phasing it out] due to many problems it creates. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:44, 24 November 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Video Dates In Pages==<br /> <br /> This is not a critical issue, but something worth discussion. At this point we are 18 months into the lg15 series. There are areas of Lg15 plot which were very important at certain points (like LaRezisto, or Gemma, or Tachyon), that later resolved or become less important. When viewing pages which discuss key character or plot issues (like Gemma, or Spencer, or the Order of Denderah, etc.), I myself find it useful to know when the videos about that subject were released, without having to click on every video link. I think in a chronological way. Thus, I sometimes put video dates into an lgpedia article to let readers easily know when something occurred in the context of the whole storyline. Like, for [[Ted McKinley]] i put it &quot;He first appeared at the press conference filmed in [[What's Going on?]] (Oct. 19, 2007), where he helped ...&quot;. That way the reader easily knows, ok, this Ted guy is not relevant to the first year of the show. <br /> <br /> We have no set convention for dealing with this issue that I am aware of, and wondered whether we should set one. I am not saying that every video link needs a date after it like a legal brief would cite cases, but there are articles where it would be useful. (For example, [[The order]] article has them; [[Emma]] does not). Even if we don't come up with any policy, I wanted to raise the issue for people to think about when editing. Thoughts? --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:19, 20 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> == Revamping FanFic ==<br /> <br /> ===The &quot;Plan&quot;===<br /> Right now, I think we are faced with a situation where the LGPedia has become overloaded with fan fiction pages and this is a problem. Now, don't get me wrong, I am absolutely '''not''' saying that fan fiction pages on the pedia are bad. Quite the opposite, I'm saying that I think they're good! But with the massive amounts of scattered info we have now, I think we are making it much harder for anyone to really understand what's going on. We also have a lot of extraneous pages, (like video transcripts for obscure series that do not add value to the section on that series) which ultimately only overwhelms anyone who comes here to learn more about a fanfic series.<br /> <br /> So, what I propose is this. I think that we should do a massive cleanup of the fanfic section of the site. I think that instead of treating the section as a free-for-all, we should try to get some sort of streamlined guide to just how each series will be treated.<br /> <br /> ====The Types====<br /> I think we should divide the fanfic up into five types as far as how we deal with them:<br /> <br /> '''Type 1''' - These series get a single page similar to the current [[Lonelyjew15]] page. They consist of one page where all the information you'd need to get an understanding of the series is found. The main things that show up on these pages are '''plot summary''', '''character info''', and '''important links''' for watching and following the story more closely. There can be other sections, such as a &quot;Notes&quot; section, but mostly the pages should follow the same general format. The page will serve as a &quot;run-down&quot; to the series it covers.<br /> <br /> '''Type 2''' - Unlike Type 1 series, Type 2 series will all be collected together on one massive page where each series will have its own description. Most of the time the descriptive info on these series is similar to what is contained in a Type 1 series, but to a lesser extent.<br /> <br /> '''Type 3''' - Like with any rule, there can and probably will be exceptions. What would go on these pages would be determined on an &quot;as needed&quot; basis.<br /> <br /> '''Type 4''' - This type covers any major relevant ARGs or series. Since series in this type tend to be complex, they often will require more than one page. [[Cassieiswatching]] and [[redearth88]] are great examples of this. Because of the large-scale undertaking of these series, this type will have to be admin approved before they can go forward.<br /> <br /> '''Type 5''' - There are some series that simply don't belong on the LGPedia at all (adult film entertainment, anyone? :)). These ones do not need pages.<br /> <br /> ====Qualifying====<br /> I think each series needs to be examined individually to determine where it best fits within the above types. A strong case should have to be made regarding why any particular series should receive a type of page. Some good reasons would be: number of subscribers, average number of views per video, notibility in the Breeniverse, and many more. Because of this, I believe we should evaluate each series independantly.<br /> <br /> If the idea takes off, I'm happy to create a page where we can discuss statuses for each series. I'm not going to do that now though, because I want to make sure people are on board for the idea first.<br /> <br /> Hopefully you guys like this idea, and hopefully you are on board with it! I truly believe it will do wonders for both getting more editors (who now mostly sit befuddled, wondering how to add such elaborate fanfic pages) and for getting new viewers for fanfic series, as viewers will be less confused when the content is laid out in a neat fashion. Please let me know what you think!!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ===Comments===<br /> :''Yes, I made a section for comments, this would be too confusing otherwise, lol. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:57, 21 December 2007 (CST)''<br /> ::Well, if there's one project to rocket us to 2008, it would be this. Everything above sounds like a great starting point. To clarify, videos ''must'' be fiction, yes, in order to qualify for the above types. They can't just be a LG/KM fan responding, commenting, or spoofing (of course, if they've made themselves into an in-universe fictional character then that's different). I don't know, I just get the feeling that we're going to have to be painstakenly detailed in our discussions in the matter :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:09, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ----<br /> ::Since I've been trying to get rid of the fan-series mess ever since I joined, I of course support this motion, but I'd like rules on series template creation to be included, i.e. whether your &quot;Type 4&quot; series should get their own blog- and other templates, or if they should use stuff like FakeBlog. I don't quite feel like eliminating another dozen uselessly created, outdated fan blog templates.<br /> ::It should also be possible to create a Template:FanCharBlock, that simply takes a page and styling options as arguments - so you'd have ''one'' fan-char-block template, and the contents would be located at pages like Redearth88/charblock.<br /> ::I do think your typification scale is counterintuitive, though - imo, it should be an ascending or descending scale, e.g.<br /> ::{|<br /> !Level 0<br /> |No pages<br /> !or, alternatively,<br /> |width=&quot;20&quot;|<br /> !Tier 1<br /> |Full coverage<br /> |-<br /> !Level 1<br /> |Single page, few information<br /> !descending instead of<br /> |<br /> !Tier 2<br /> |Tier 3 Exceptions<br /> |-<br /> !Level 2<br /> |Single page, comprehensive information<br /> !ascending<br /> |<br /> !Tier 3<br /> |Single page, comprehensive information<br /> |-<br /> !Level 3<br /> |Level 2 exceptions<br /> |<br /> |<br /> !Tier 4<br /> |Single page, few information<br /> |-<br /> !Level 4<br /> |Full coverage<br /> |<br /> |<br /> !Tier 5<br /> |No pages<br /> |}<br /> ::No matter how we name a series's grade, we have to find an acceptable way to rate them that doesn't look like pure arbitrariness to the community...something with hard data, like combined viewcount of the first twenty videos or something, with no chance to be selected before the series reaches at least twenty vids (unless it ends before that).<br /> ::Beyond that, I suggest creating a Portal:Community, or use the existing (unused and barely known) [[LGPedia:Community Portal]] page to create a portal similar to the series ones, which only reports about Tier 1/Level 5/Type 4 series - like new Redearth videos released, link to series mainpages and similar things.<br /> ::And more or less independent from that, the topic of spoofs that Pheon brought up is interesting...although I agree that mere replies should (of course) not be listed, certain spoofs should at least be collected on a central &quot;LG15 Spoofs&quot; page or something similar (or do we have something like that already?) - because especially milo's recent works are quite funny and deserve long-term exposure.<br /> :::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> Let me just clarify, this discussion is JUST for fanfic SERIES and how they will be treated on the pedia. Any discussion about what to do about it after the fact is arbitrary at this point, as creating a portal cannot happen unless we have some sort of focus. If we want to create a portal, or any other means of featuring the fanfic AFTER THE FACT, that discussion should take place '''after the fact'''. So let's please not discuss that at this time.<br /> <br /> Also, I agree that there are many notable spoof videos and other notable single videos. I don't really think we need to decide anything definite for that at the moment, because that's not really what this discussion is about. However, I think making a single page where we list all of the videos with some sort of description or whatnot would work. Really though, that's also something we can discuss after the fact if need be, and not what this discussion should focus on.<br /> <br /> Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:47, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ----<br /> Some quick points...<br /> <br /> * I don't really get all this levels and tiers stuff. For one thing it does help new series. If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?<br /> <br /> * Second &quot;Fan Fiction&quot; is a bad catch all category. The accepted industry related term is User Generated Content or (UGC), and while that applies to derivative series it doesn't apply to original series. The distinction in my mind being that a story be dependent on being a user of the site.<br /> <br /> * I think you should really work with theCs and BK on this. There is a upcoming redesign that will effect UGC and the way it's presented and I assume terminology figures into that. I would think it would be logical tha the lgpedia be consistent with that.<br /> --[[User:Immortal1|Immortal1]] 21:50, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :In reply to your points, in order:<br /> :*The idea is not to &quot;penalize&quot; anybody. The idea is to keep the LGPedia clean. When a new series starts out, there is no sure-fire way of knowing how many hits they'll get, how notable they'll be, whether they'll even stick around, etc. Plenty of times we have people create something on the LGPedia when their series is new, and then stop adding things, which either leaves the burden of keeping a minor series up to date on the LGPedians, or leaves the LGPedia looking messy and incomplete, which is not &quot;good for buisness,&quot; if you will. We have also had new series come on and create a lot of pages (some of whom eventually stopped, and the burden was shifted on to LGPedians, often me :() and then they decided they no longer wanted their pages on LGPedia, and asked us to delete all of that hard work. That just seems counter-productive. Instead, what makes sense, at least to me, is when a new series starts, their content can be featured on a smaller scale, and as they progress and we see what happens, we can easily promote the series to a higher level. There is ''nothing'' that says that the &quot;level&quot; or &quot;tier&quot; or whatever term we use is set in stone. Like I said, we are not looking to &quot;penalize&quot; anyone, but to keep things clean and effective from a Pedia standpoint.<br /> <br /> :*The term &quot;fan fiction&quot; is used in this dicussion simply because it is what the &quot;Category&quot; on LGPedia is called and has been since... well, I'd say the dawn of time, but I'm not sure how accurate that is :P. Either way, it is used in this discussion for that reason, and not to disrespect any UGC or other content-creators.<br /> <br /> :*Of course BK and the C's can be in on this discussion. But I wanted to bring it to LGPedia first, as this is, after all, a community site, and when I present the thoughts to BK/C's, I figured it is best to have a solid idea of where the community stands.<br /> <br /> :Hope this clears some stuff up, at least about where I'm coming from! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:14, 21 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ----<br /> :{{quote|Immortal1|I don't really get all this levels and tiers stuff. For one thing it does help new series. If someone starts a new series and wants to make character pages or transcript pages why should they be penalized from doing so just because they are new?}}<br /> :Counter-question: Why should a &quot;series&quot; that has barely released one episode occupy one episode page, one general description page, two character pages, two &quot;xxx's blog&quot; categories, a general category, a blog template and a character index template?<br /> :Just to add some math to Zoey's reply: We're talking about 9 pages for a &quot;series&quot; of one episode with two characters. If the &quot;series&quot;'s creators then decide to be even more important and add pages for the actors, director and other staff, as well as filmography categories for them, then you're (with only one camera man as staff) at 19 pages for one episode with two characters already.<br /> :And now imagine this: The &quot;series&quot; gets a mere 50 views on youtube, adds a second episode that never gets added to the pedia, and two weeks later, the projects is dead. And we're stuck with 19 meaningless pages, just because somebody made ''one'' video.<br /> :I have said this in the past, but I think I'll have to repeat it: I have no intent to belittle the efforts of the content creating part of the community - but the fact that somebody somewhere made something and declared it to be connected to the Breeniverse does not automatically make it significant enough to be included on LGPedia.<br /> :There is certain stuff that, no matter how much effort and love was invested in it, the general community just doesn't care about. The deciding factors for LGPedia pages are prominence and impact of the page's subject matter - not personal vanity.<br /> <br /> :Just think about it this way: There are [[The party guests|canon characters]] and [[Cameos|actors]] of the official main series that don't have their own pages - if we don't even give every ''canon'' character his own page, why should we add pages for ''non''-canon characters that only five people in the community know so far?<br /> :If a series grows and becomes popular, it is ''inevitable'' to branch it out into multiple pages and categorize it - simply to conquer the growing amount of information. But if all information on a series fits on one page with no loss of clarity, then that's a pretty good sign it doesn't need multiple pages.<br /> <br /> :Zoey: Touching that topic, maybe we should assign &quot;series maintainers&quot; for branching out series. i.e. if LeetBlogger15 wants to add separate episode pages for a medium series, we could allow it under the condition that he actively maintains them, and delete them straight away if he doesn't. That way, series of a certain size could branch out without you getting a headache over half-finished pages and dead links. If it looks like crap and the page isn't maintained, it just gets deleted and the creator loses his chance to branch out due to lack of encyclopaedic interest (b/c, if other people had cared for the pages, they'd have fixed them).<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:49, 22 December 2007 (CST)<br /> ----<br /> '''My response to this whole thing:'''<br /> <br /> I love the idea of categorizing UGC/FanFic like this. Right now, the 'Pedia is a big mess full of barely notable &quot;series&quot; and the characters of that &quot;series.&quot; (I have to say - and am sorry to say - that I am responsible with the community for a lot of that clutter.) <br /> <br /> And I love Zoey's original Type 1, Type 2, Type 3, Type 4, and Type 5 ideas. However, I'm a bit confused as to what Type 3 is. Could anyone clear that up for me? What exactly are you talking about by exceptions? Hmm?<br /> <br /> Just some comments/clear community understandings of Type 1... So, what I'm understanding is that Type 1 is a notable video series with more than 4 main characters and at least more than 15 videos. Type 1 series (whether they are Fan Fiction ''or'' User Generated Content) would only get 1 page with a template - however, I'm not liking the current fact that the Type 1 example [[Lonelyjew15]] has a Person template... shouldn't there be like a FanShow template? The sections on the Type 1 series page would include a summary at the top (no section given), a characters section with brief character blurbs and actors if known (Characters and Cast section), a section with the production credits, if available (Production Crew section), and a section with links to where fans could watch the series and if there are any forums about it, etc. (External Links section). They would be in Category:Type 1 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Now onto Type 2... My understanding is that Type 2 is basically a Type 1 that is not as notable. Basically the same stuff, with less comprehensive information. Right? They would be in Category:Type 2 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Type 3... I do not understand what a Type 3 is. Could somebody please clear this up for the community? They would be in Category:Type 3 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Type 4... Major ARGs or fan series that are very notable, such as [[Redearth88]] or [[Cassieiswatching]], would get more than one page with Major character pages, Cast pages, Episode pages, etc. The main series page would be included in Category:Type 4 fan fiction.<br /> <br /> Type 5... tsk tsk. Type 5 doesn't belong on the Pedia. No categories, please.<br /> <br /> About using the Community Portal... Renegade, I like your idea about using the now hardly used Community Portal as sort of a portal for fan fiction. :) Type 4 would get episode pages linked, and it would be noted whenever Type 1, Type 2, or Type 3 released videos (they would just get linked to their YouTube video page, however).<br /> <br /> :)<br /> <br /> Comments? Concerns? Questions?<br /> <br /> Thanks,<br /> <br /> :&lt;span style=&quot;background:DarkSlateGray&quot;&gt;[[User:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;'''•Silver•'''&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/font&gt;]] &lt;small&gt;[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/font&gt;]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|&lt;font color=&quot;white&quot;&gt;Contribs&lt;/font&gt;]]&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/span&gt; 13:07, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> :Zoey specifically stated we're not supposed to discuss portals or any other &quot;later&quot; stuff, I think we should respect that. We'll have enough time to do that once we figured out which content is important enough in the first place.<br /> :As for elaborating on the types, my previous table makes it pretty clear, imo: You have one &quot;category&quot; of series that get no coverage at all, simply because they're not notable. The next level gets a single page, with maybe a paragraph or two, giving an overview of the series. The next level still gets only a single page, but more comprehensive information, like a list of episodes and characters, and a general plot outline. The level after that is the &quot;exception&quot; level - these are theoretically on the level before, only big enough for a single page, but for a special reason get the big treatment - [[Lonelygirl362436]] would be such an example. It only has 1 1/2 human characters and three episodes, so it shouldn't get the full set of pages - but it was made by the Creators and had very high prominence in the community, so gets treated like the next and highest level: A full set of pages and categories, akin to the canon series.<br /> :And yes, it'd be possible to create a full set of customizable fan templates to be used, in order to eliminate all the custom saved ones.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:43, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> :::Just to add my input here, I like the idea. Of course, all the details have to be ironed out, and one inherent difficulty with the system is that it is somewhat subjective. To fix this somewhat, I do think ''some'' objective standard should be set (as has been mentioned) like number of views or number of videos in order for a series to reach a certain level/tier. Personally I think view count would be better since having a lot of videos does not necessarily mean that the series is popular. For including videos on the massive &quot;fan fiction&quot; page (or whatever it's called), I think we should be ''fairly'' liberal in what gets added. Obviously, we don't want to be too liberal, but it takes minimal effort to add a short description about a series, and it can provide much-needed publicity for a new series. Maybe we could even split this page up into different types of fanfic series, like ARGs, spoofs (if we include them), spinoffs, etc. This should allow more series to be added without things looking as cluttered. Clearly, then, if we're liberal about this page, we'd be much more conservative about series which get more coverage. Writing an entire page on a series can take some time, and writing transcripts can take a ''long'' time ([[Jonas Conference Call]] anyone?), and there's no point wasting time writing them if no one really cares. Oh, and I like the idea of the customizable fan templates, Renegade. That'll standardize things and remove a lot of clutter. This whole thing is definitely a touchy subject, but I think everyone is handling it well. I hope we reach a good solution because this is something that's needed to be done for a long time now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:48, 23 December 2007 (CST)<br /> <br /> ::::I don't understand why the number of main characters in a show needs to be a factor in deciding whether or not it is 'worthy' of a certain rank/class/type/teir/level/zone/whatever. ItsCassie, anyone? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 19:52, 23 December 2007 (CST)</div>

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<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>==Notes==<br /> * This appearance marks the first time that Nikki B has been in the same video as the main characters, and as such it appears to canonize her.</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=List_of_lonelygirl15_videos/Season_3&diff=63658 2007-08-02T00:13:57Z

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Lost Visual in the Burn Out]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Sparks Are Flying]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[3-2-1 Contact]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ==SEASON ONE==<br /> ===In The Beginning...===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad &quot;talks&quot; to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree's Religion===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]] {{Init|War Pylol}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Ceremony===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}} <br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===More Questions===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are &quot;They&quot;]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Things Turn Dark===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel Escape===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What's in the Box/Bree &amp; Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Watchers===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel Get Desperate===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Going To Jonas===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree Makes A Move===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel's A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Daniel's Disappearance===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Who IS Jonas?=== <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Introducing Aunt Alex!===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === Tracked, Captured, and Escaped ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===South Of The Border===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Going Underground===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === The Search For Jules ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Naive Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree's Surrender ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === Getting Bree Back ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bedside Manner]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Taking Advantage of Her]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[HOLY SH%T!!!]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Morning After]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mr. Park Ranger]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Everybody Does It ;)]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Like A Virgin]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Eternal Song]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Going Home]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Gilman Files===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A New Lead]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Mad Scientist]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sweating Bullets]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Mistress]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[In (Search of) sanity...]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Rockin' the Boat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Mom's A Freak!]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Up Blogosphere!]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Look Back]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Dad Died Too]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Dude Back Off]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Going Back to Cali]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[All Wet]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Here To Help]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hope He's Not Mad]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Bree Solution]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sing Until The End]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Deep Throat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===&quot;Mission Accepted&quot;===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[We Have A Plan]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mission Alpha]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mission Beta]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mission Gamma]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mission Possible]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proceed with Caution]] {{Init|Alex}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Serum]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[No Girls Allowed]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Something's Coming]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[They Broke In!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Week to Remember]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Season Finale===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lonelygirl15 Season 1 Recap]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;/ol&gt;<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################ LIST ENDS HERE ############################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> |style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; width: 190px;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot;|<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;width: 95%; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:13px; line-height:18px&quot;&gt;Table of Contents&lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;padding: 3px; vertical-align: middle; background-color: #FFFFFF; border: 3px solid #1a4b97; text-align: left;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:12px; line-height:15px&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################ TOC STARTS HERE ###########################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> *[[#Overture|Overture]]<br /> *[[#In The Beginning...|In The Beginning...]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship|Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship]]<br /> *[[#Bree's Religion|Bree's Religion]]<br /> *[[#More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship|More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship]]<br /> *[[#The Ceremony|The Ceremony]]<br /> *[[#More Questions|More Questions]]<br /> *[[#Things Turn Dark|Things Turn Dark]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel Escape|Bree &amp; Daniel Escape]]<br /> *[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel Get Desperate|Bree &amp; Daniel Get Desperate]]<br /> *[[#Going To Jonas|Going To Jonas]]<br /> *[[#Bree Makes A Move|Bree Makes A Move]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship Ad Nauseam|Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam'']]<br /> *[[#Daniel's Disappearance|Daniel's Disappearance]]<br /> *[[#&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;|&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;]]<br /> *[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]<br /> *[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]<br /> *[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]<br /> *[[#South Of The Border|South Of The Border]]<br /> *[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]<br /> *[[#The Search For Jules|The Search For Jules]]<br /> *[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]<br /> *[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]<br /> *[[#The Gilman Files|The Gilman Files]]<br /> *[[#&quot;Mission Accepted&quot;|&quot;Mission Accepted&quot;]]<br /> *[[#Season Finale|Season Finale]]<br 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Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=63654 2007-08-02T00:09:42Z

<p>Rekidk: Fixed formatting. Added new video. *Whew*</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # START OF HEADER BLOCK #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> {{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lg15 portal header text.jpg]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}<br /> &lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # END OF HEADER BLOCK #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> {|cellspacing=&quot;10&quot;<br /> |valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; background-color: #f5f5f5; padding: 8px; width: 50%;&quot;|&lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0; margin-bottom: 1.0em;background-color:#194B95;font-size:120%;border:1px solid #153d7a;text-align:center;color:#fff;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Star white on blue.gif]]&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;'''Encyclopedia'''&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;[[Image:Star white on blue.gif]]&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;position: relative; 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Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=63653 2007-08-02T00:07:23Z

<p>Rekidk: Er, I screwed up the formatting. Revert.</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # START OF HEADER BLOCK #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> {{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lg15 portal header text.jpg]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}<br /> &lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # END OF HEADER BLOCK #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> {|cellspacing=&quot;10&quot;<br /> |valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; background-color: #f5f5f5; padding: 8px; width: 50%;&quot;|&lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0; margin-bottom: 1.0em;background-color:#194B95;font-size:120%;border:1px solid #153d7a;text-align:center;color:#fff;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Star white on blue.gif]]&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;'''Encyclopedia'''&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;[[Image:Star white on blue.gif]]&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;position: relative; 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[[Relationships]] : Read up on the romances of the series.<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;h3 style=&quot;margin: 0px 0px 0.4em 115px; padding: 0.3em 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size:120%; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0;&quot;&gt;[[Behind The Scenes]]&lt;/h3&gt;<br /> The cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.<br /> &lt;h3 style=&quot;margin: 0px 0px 0.4em 115px; padding: 0.3em 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size:120%; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0;&quot;&gt;[[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]]&lt;/h3&gt;<br /> Learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.<br /> &lt;h3 style=&quot;margin: 0px 0px 0.4em 115px; padding: 0.3em 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size:120%; border: 1px solid #c0c0c0;&quot;&gt;[[Main Page]]&lt;/h3&gt;<br /> Head back to the main LG15 Universe.<br /> &lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # END OF LEFT CONTENT BOX #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> |valign=&quot;top&quot; 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Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:lonelygirl15&diff=63652 2007-08-02T00:06:13Z

<p>Rekidk: Added new video</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # START OF HEADER BLOCK #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> {{header|1=&lt;span style=&quot;position: relative; top: 10px;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Lg15 portal header text.jpg]]&lt;/span&gt;|off=yes}}<br /> &lt;!--<br /> #################################################<br /> # #<br /> # END OF HEADER BLOCK #<br /> # #<br /> #################################################--&gt;<br /> {|cellspacing=&quot;10&quot;<br /> |valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;border: 1px solid #c0c0c0; background-color: #f5f5f5; padding: 8px; width: 50%;&quot;|&lt;h2 style=&quot;margin:0; margin-bottom: 1.0em;background-color:#194B95;font-size:120%;border:1px solid #153d7a;text-align:center;color:#fff;padding:0.2em 0.4em;&quot;&gt;[[Image:Star white on blue.gif]]&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;'''Encyclopedia'''&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp;[[Image:Star white on blue.gif]]&lt;/h2&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;position: relative; 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Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lonelygirl15_Season_1_Recap&diff=63650 2007-08-01T23:59:24Z

<p>Rekidk: Er, started the page. I tried my best.</p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 0244<br /> | image = <br /> | caption = LG15: Year in Review<br /> | blogger = Jonas<br /> | date = August 1st, 2007<br /> | url = {{lg15|307}}<br /> | forumid = <br /> | length = 7:34<br /> | description = If you missed the first season or just want to take a walk down memory lane, check out this lonelygirl15 season 1 recap video. If you like what you see, make sure to go to http://www.lg15.com on Friday, August 3rd, 2007 at 8:00 AM PST. We will be uploading one video each hour, for twelve hours. Oh yeah, season 2 starts Monday.<br /> | faction = The Resistance<br /> | status = Public Video<br /> | location = <br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|bree|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|recap|lonelygirl}}<br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> <br /> | execprod = <br /> | producers = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | camera = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | story =<br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor = <br /> | song = <br /> <br /> | cast =<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> | Previous = A Week to Remember<br /> | Next = <br /> <br /> | PreviousJ = <br /> | NextJ = <br /> | PreviousC = <br /> | NextC = <br /> <br /> }}<br /> '''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two hundred forty fourth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *This video is a recap of the first season of LonelyGirl15. It's narrated by Jonas, but looks at the series from a meta perspective.</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=List_of_lonelygirl15_videos/Season_3&diff=59829 2007-07-19T16:53:52Z

<p>Rekidk: Removed &#039;Add Poe Hinder Vilification&#039; from Overture (it&#039;s further down)</p> <hr /> <div>{|width=&quot;100%&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;border-spacing: 0px; table-layout: fixed;&quot;<br /> |style=&quot;width: 20px; border-left: 15px solid #ffffff;&quot;|<br /> |<br /> |style=&quot;width: 20px;&quot;|<br /> |style=&quot;width: 190px;&quot;|<br /> |style=&quot;width: 190px;&quot;|<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;5&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97;&quot;|[[Image:List of videos.jpg]] &lt;!-- #134b9c is the real color --&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |align=&quot;left&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;width: 20px; border-left: 15px solid #1a4b97; padding: 0px;&quot;|[[Image:Lgp lov tl corner.png]]<br /> |&amp;nbsp;<br /> |align=&quot;right&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;width: 20px; padding: 0px;&quot;|[[Image:Lgp lov tr corner.png]]<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; width: 380px;&quot;|&amp;nbsp;<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;3&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;border-left: 15px solid #1a4b97; padding: 0px;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:13px; line-height:18px&quot;|<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ########################### LIST STARTS HERE ###########################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:13px; line-height:20px&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;ol style=&quot;line-height: 150%;&quot;&gt;<br /> ===Overture===<br /> [[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[YouTubers Secret Language]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Sparks Are Flying]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[3-2-1 Contact]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ==SEASON ONE==<br /> ===In The Beginning...===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad &quot;talks&quot; to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree's Religion===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]] {{Init|WarPylol}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Ceremony===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}} <br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===More Questions===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are &quot;They&quot;]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Things Turn Dark===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel Escape===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What's in the Box/Bree &amp; Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Watchers===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel Get Desperate===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Going To Jonas===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree Makes A Move===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel's A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Daniel's Disappearance===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Who IS Jonas?=== <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Introducing Aunt Alex!===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === Tracked, Captured, and Escaped ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===South Of The Border===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Going Underground===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === The Search For Jules ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Naive Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree's Surrender ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === Getting Bree Back ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bedside Manner]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Taking Advantage of Her]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[HOLY SH%T!!!]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Morning After]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mr. Park Ranger]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Everybody Does It ;)]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Like A Virgin]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Eternal Song]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Going Home]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Gilman Files===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A New Lead]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Mad Scientist]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sweating Bullets]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Mistress]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[In (Search of) sanity...]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Rockin' the Boat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Mom's A Freak!]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Up Blogosphere!]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Look Back]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Dad Died Too]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Dude Back Off]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Going Back to Cali]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[All Wet]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Here To Help]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hope He's Not Mad]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Bree Solution]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sing Until The End]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Deep Throat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[We Have A Plan]] {{Init|Spencer}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mission Alpha]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mission Beta]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;/ol&gt;<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################ LIST ENDS HERE ############################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> |style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; width: 190px;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot;|<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;width: 95%; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:13px; line-height:18px&quot;&gt;Table of Contents&lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;padding: 3px; vertical-align: middle; background-color: #FFFFFF; border: 3px solid #1a4b97; text-align: left;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:12px; line-height:15px&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################ TOC STARTS HERE ###########################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> *[[#Overture|Overture]]<br /> *[[#In The Beginning...|In The Beginning...]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship|Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship]]<br /> *[[#Bree's Religion|Bree's Religion]]<br /> *[[#More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship|More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship]]<br /> *[[#The Ceremony|The Ceremony]]<br /> *[[#More Questions|More Questions]]<br /> *[[#Things Turn Dark|Things Turn Dark]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel Escape|Bree &amp; Daniel Escape]]<br /> *[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel Get Desperate|Bree &amp; Daniel Get Desperate]]<br /> *[[#Going To Jonas|Going To Jonas]]<br /> *[[#Bree Makes A Move|Bree Makes A Move]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship Ad Nauseam|Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam'']]<br /> *[[#Daniel's Disappearance|Daniel's Disappearance]]<br /> *[[#&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;|&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;]]<br /> *[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]<br /> *[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]<br /> *[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]<br /> *[[#South Of The Border|South Of The Border]]<br /> *[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]<br /> *[[#The Search For Jules|The Search For Jules]]<br /> *[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]<br /> *[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]<br /> *[[#The Gilman Files|The Gilman Files]]<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################# TOC ENDS HERE ############################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br Clear&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ################### LEFT SCREENCAP COLUMN STARTS HERE ##################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> {|<br /> |[[Image:DanielLight.gif|180px]]<br /> |-<br /> |height=&quot;12px&quot;|&lt;!-- spacer --&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |[[Image:Hell.jpeg|180px]]<br /> |-<br /> 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Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Fight_and_Flight&diff=58918 2007-07-17T00:54:15Z

<p>Rekidk: /* First KM video! */</p> <hr /> <div>Very beautiful video. -BA<br /> <br /> == First KM video! ==<br /> <br /> I'd have to say, this video was amazing! I was expecting more of a &quot;First Blog&quot; feel to it, but, hey, Kate's an artist! Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:32, 16 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> I'm glad they didn't take the 'First Blog' approach. It's more realistic (after all, her art is why she joined Bebo), and it's unique. This shows that we aren't getting LG15 2.0--we're getting KateModern. And that's just what we want. :) --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 19:54, 16 July 2007 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Sing_Until_The_End&diff=57745 2007-07-13T04:37:30Z

<p>Rekidk: Sentence structure @ end; shows end TCC</p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 0231<br /> | image = 0231-BreeandCarlSing.jpg<br /> | caption = We sing.<br /> | blogger = Bree<br /> | date = July 12th, 2007<br /> | url = {{lg15|292}}<br /> | forumid = 12226<br /> | length = 1:53<br /> | description = You can find the answers you are seeking by singing along with the Hymn of One.<br /> | faction = The Order<br /> | status = Public Video<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|bree|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|Hymn of One|Eternal|Song|Sing}} <br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> <br /> | execprod = <br /> | producers = <br /> | pa = <br /> | directors = <br /> | camera = <br /> | vidplay = <br /> | story = <br /> | editor = <br /> | music supervisor =<br /> | song = &quot;The Hymn&quot; by [[Kevin Schlanser]]<br /> <br /> | cast =<br /> {{VidChar|Bree}}<br /> {{VidChar|Carl|Cameos#Craig_Coyne{{!}}Craig Coyne}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = The Bree Solution<br /> | Next = <br /> <br /> | PreviousB = Look Back<br /> | NextB = <br /> | PreviousC = <br /> | NextC = <br /> <br /> }}<br /> '''Sing Until The End''' is the two hundred thirty-first video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Bree:''' Are you a tree or a road?<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' Are you a ball or a block?<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' Is it me or I?<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' I am not or I am.<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' Are you going or coming?<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' Where are you coming from, or where are you going to?<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' Me or you?<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' There are so many crazy questions inside of everyone.<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' And in order to find the answers to your crazy questions, finding your song is a must. I mean, without your song, what would you be?<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' Careless or careful? Chaos or [[the Order|Order]]?<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' You can find your song everywhere.<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' Go or stop?<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' (''Looks at Carl.'') More crazy questions? Can we please have some answers?<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' You may. The [[Hymn of One]] can help you become everything you want to be. You can have it all too. Creating dreams isn't really that difficult. It is what we were all put on Earth for. It is inside of you. Listen to your heart, and sing. Hug a tree, and sing. Run down the road, and sing. Play with a ball, and sing.<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' I am, therefore I sing. I am coming and going and singing.<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' I carefully and cautiously dance through the chaos and order and sing.<br /> <br /> '''Both:''' We sing.<br /> <br /> '''Carl:''' We at the Hymn of One hope that anyone out there who would like to be a part of the universal eternal song will reach out and sing.<br /> <br /> '''Bree:''' Take the time now to answer the crazy questions. Contact the Hymn of One. Come see what it feels like to answer your questions with a song, and sing, sing, sing 'til the end.<br /> <br /> (''Zooms into Bree's face, then Carl's face, both of whom smile at the camera. Cuts to a screen shot from the Hymn of One website.'')<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> *The code in this video, made from taking the last word of each sentence, seems to be: &quot;Road Block I Am Coming To You. Everyone Must Be Careful. Order Everywhere. Stop Questions. Answers May Be Too Difficult For You.&quot;<br /> *Bree and Carl are standing in front of water, which can signify danger to come.</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Sing_Until_The_End&diff=57743 2007-07-13T04:35:36Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>maybe the clue would have to do with the word &quot;sing&quot; in the transcript... edit: dang, 4get that idea... --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]<br /> <br /> ==TCC==<br /> <br /> Another TCC at the end. :) --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 23:35, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Huh? ==<br /> <br /> I don't see this video... anywhere...<br /> not on YouTube, or LG15.com Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 21:37, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> You can see this video [http://lg15today.blogspot.com Here] --[[User:Killthesmiley|Killthesmiley]] 21:35, 12 July 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Never mind, it came up on LG15.com :] Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 21:37, 12 July 2007 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Wyman_Foundation&diff=53385 2007-06-20T03:15:43Z

<p>Rekidk: Created Wyman Foundation page. Wyman foundation (lowercase f) now redirects to Wyman Foundation (uppercase F).</p> <hr /> <div>{{cleanup}}<br /> <br /> http://www.wymanfoundation.com<br /> <br /> Whois reveals that this is an IG site.<br /> <br /> Text on page:<br /> <br /> &quot;The Wyman Foundation is a private, non-profit basic research and educational institution. Under the leadership of our world-renowned staff, some 330 scientists conduct groundbreaking research in cancer, neurobiology, plant genetics and bioinformatics. The Wyman Foundation is one of eight National Cancer Institute-designated basic research centers in the U.S. and the only such center in the San Diego area. + <br /> <br /> Established more than fifty years ago, Wyman Foundation is today recognized internationally for its educational activities, including an extensive program of scientific meetings and courses that attracts more than 8,000 scientists to the campus each year.&quot; + <br /> <br /> [[Category:Theories and speculation]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Wyman_foundation&diff=53384 2007-06-20T03:13:31Z

<p>Rekidk: redirect to Wyman Foundation</p> <hr /> <div>#REDIRECT [[Wyman Foundation]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_New_Lead&diff=53383 2007-06-20T03:11:17Z

<p>Rekidk: /* Notes */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Blog<br /> | name = {{PAGENAME}}<br /> | number = 0214<br /> | image = 0214-taylorcheerleader.JPG<br /> | caption = Yaaaaaaaay barcodes!<br /> | blogger = Taylor<br /> | date = June 18th, 2007<br /> | url = {{lg15|274}}<br /> | forumid = 11542<br /> | length = 2:02<br /> | description = So, Bree's back with The Order. I spent the last couple days looking at the medical sheets that Daniel sent me, and I think I've found something. <br /> | faction = The Resistance<br /> | status = Public Video<br /> | tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|bree|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko}}<br /> <br /> &lt;!-- Production Credits leave blank after &quot;=&quot; if data is not available --&gt;<br /> | execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried<br /> | producers = Amanda Goodfried<br /> | pa = Ian Schwartz<br /> | directors = Mesh Flinders<br /> | camera = Kevin Schlanser<br /> | vidplay = Jan Libby<br /> | story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, Jan Libby, and Ross Berger<br /> | editor = Kevin Schlanser<br /> | animation = Ian Schwartz<br /> | song = &quot;Down with Her&quot; by Rocket City Riot [http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/rocketcity-pop/hifi_play]<br /> <br /> | cast =<br /> {{VidChar|Taylor}}<br /> <br /> | Previous = Going Home<br /> | Next = <br /> <br /> | PreviousB = Like A Virgin<br /> | NextB = <br /> | PreviousC = <br /> | NextC = <br /> }}<br /> '''A New Lead''' is the two hundred fourteenth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].<br /> <br /> ==Transcript==<br /> '''Taylor:''' This sucks. After [[Bree]] posted [[Going Home|that video]], [[the Order]] picked her up and whisked her away. [[Daniel]], [[Jonas]], and [[Sarah]] heard the [[helicopter]]s. I guess it looks like Bree's going to do [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]]. We don't know where or when. All we know is we can't let her go through with it. Look guys, I know she goes on and on about how happy she is when she's with them, but honestly, I don't believe her.<br /> <br /> (''Taylor turns and faces her right.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' I don't want us to lose our focus.<br /> <br /> (''Taylor turns and faces her left.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' (''With Southern accent.'') We are a team.<br /> <br /> (''Taylor faces forward.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' We must work together to stop Bree before she does the dreaded Ceremony. We must save her. That's what my coach would say. (''Taylor looks around.'') Wait, I have a better idea.<br /> <br /> (''A whistle blowing is heard. Musical montage of Taylor cheerleading. Cuts to Taylor sitting, her hair in pigtails, holding pom-poms.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' (''cheerleading'') When you're up, you're up. When you're down, you're down. When you're up with the Order, you're upside down! <br /> <br /> (''Musical montage of Taylor walking on her hands. Cuts to her leaning in front of the camera.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' I can't believe you were a cheerleader, Sarah. Anyways, we have to do something, guys. And I say we start by following all those clues [[Bree's parents#father|Bree's dad]] left us in that [[Opening the Box|box]]. What do we know? We know that Bree's dad was doing something to try to turn her Trait:Negative. Which brings me to (''She holds up a sheet of paper.'') barcodes. <br /> <br /> (''Animation showing each bar of a barcode being highlighted.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' Okay, first I discovered that there are a trillion different barcodes out there. <br /> <br /> (''Musical montage of various items being shown with their barcodes highlighted.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' The one on our Bree graphs is called a Royal Dutch TPG Post something-something State Barcode.<br /> <br /> (''Musical montage of a barcode being scanned.'')<br /> <br /> '''Taylor:''' And the results? The barcode gave me a place called the Wyman Foundation in San Diego, California. (''Holds up a graph.'') Come on you guys, go. I mean, this could be a lead to something. And Sarah, I miss you, sis. Boom-bah!<br /> <br /> ==Notes==<br /> * Taylor's goodbye to her sister, &quot;Boom Bah&quot;, is a reference to a chant that an audience at a sporting event may shout.<br /> *The barcodes in the montage were: Neutrogena Clear Pore Cleanser Mask, William Goldman's book The Princess Bride, Claritin 10mg 24-Hour Tablets, Namaste Laboratories Organic Root Stimulator, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11452&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;highlight=arrowhead&amp;start=255 Arrowhead] Water, Two Trees Lozenges, Taiyo Yuden CDRs, Shrek The Third Original Soundtrack, DK Illustrated Oxford Dictionary, Jay-Z Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life, BlackBerry 8700c cell phone, Chuck Palahniuk's book Survivor, Axe Kilo Body Spray, Apple Cinnamon Cheerios, Silk soy milk, Wolfgang Puck Hearty Lentil &amp; Vegetables Soup, Philadephia Cream Cheese, Kingsford Corn Starch, and [[Orange]] Gatorade. This sequence loops three times.<br /> *The logo of the [[Wyman Foundation]] is a [[lemniscate]], like the ones imprinted on the [[Epogen]] boxes in the video [[Undisclosed Location]].<br /> *This video confirms that the helicopters sometimes seen or heard in videos belong to [[the Order]].<br /> *The title may be a reference to Bree's video [[A Solid Lead]].<br /> * The Royal TPG Post KIX 4-State Barcode that Taylor mentions is used by Royal Dutch TPG Post (Netherlands) for Postal code and automatic mail sorting. It provides information about the address of the receiver. It encodes alpha-numeric characters (0-9, A-Z). It comprises four types of bars (the four states), each of which has a distinct name, value and barcode symbol.[http://www.hoovers.com/tnt/--ID__57511--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml Royal Dutch TPG Post] is the primary mail delivery service in the Netherlands, handling some 5 billion items annually. The company also offers mail services elsewhere in Europe. More info on how the barcode is created can be found [http://www.neodynamic.com/barcodes/Royal_TPG_Post_KIX_4_State_Barcode_reporting_services.aspx here].</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Wyman_foundation&diff=53379 2007-06-20T03:09:29Z

<p>Rekidk: Cleanup. Because this article is quite sad and needs attention.</p> <hr /> <div>{{cleanup}}<br /> <br /> http://www.wymanfoundation.com<br /> <br /> Whois reveals that this is an IG site.<br /> <br /> Text on page:<br /> <br /> &quot;The Wyman Foundation is a private, non-profit basic research and educational institution. Under the leadership of our world-renowned staff, some 330 scientists conduct groundbreaking research in cancer, neurobiology, plant genetics and bioinformatics. The Wyman Foundation is one of eight National Cancer Institute-designated basic research centers in the U.S. and the only such center in the San Diego area.<br /> <br /> Established more than fifty years ago, Wyman Foundation is today recognized internationally for its educational activities, including an extensive program of scientific meetings and courses that attracts more than 8,000 scientists to the campus each year.&quot;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Theories and speculation]]</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Wyman_foundation&diff=53110 2007-06-19T03:12:34Z

<p>Rekidk: Created Wyman Foundation page--needs heavy reformatting and content</p> <hr /> <div>==Wyman Foundation==<br /> <br /> Ok, I don't really know how to edit, but this needs to be created.<br /> <br /> http://www.wymanfoundation.com<br /> <br /> Whois reveals that this is an IG site.<br /> <br /> Text on page:<br /> <br /> &quot;The Wyman Foundation is a private, non-profit basic research and educational institution. Under the leadership of our world-renowned staff, some 330 scientists conduct groundbreaking research in cancer, neurobiology, plant genetics and bioinformatics. The Wyman Foundation is one of eight National Cancer Institute-designated basic research centers in the U.S. and the only such center in the San Diego area.<br /> <br /> Established more than fifty years ago, Wyman Foundation is today recognized internationally for its educational activities, including an extensive program of scientific meetings and courses that attracts more than 8,000 scientists to the campus each year.&quot;</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Going_Home&diff=52815 2007-06-16T16:47:21Z

<p>Rekidk: /* Is that Sarah&#039;s Hoodie */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;center&gt;<br /> {| align=center style=&quot;width:375px&quot; border=2 border-color=#2574C4<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0213-BreeInTheWoodsLookingAtCamera.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0213-BreeInTheWoodsLookingAround.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0213-BreeLostInTheWoods.jpg|125px]]<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:52, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> == Lying ==<br /> <br /> She keeps looking down to the left...which most likely means that she doesn't mean what she is saying. Hopefully Jonas will get to her first. I'm sure he knows exactly where she is. --[[User:Nobackspacebutton|Nobackspacebutton]] 06:21, 16 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Cell phone ==<br /> <br /> So, I guess this was uploaded from her cell phone (hence the minimal editing and crap-ish sound; plus, the monologue just implies that it was her cell phone). Is this note-worthy? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 23:16, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :Cell phones are getting better and better vid quality. Perhaps like the iPhone?? :runs away, laughing insanely, playing a kazoo: :LOL: --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]<br /> ::Not the kazoo! Anything but those damn things Dx - DL<br /> :::Dammit, not another one! *Picks up a cricket paddle*<br /> <br /> == Is that Sarah's Hoodie ==<br /> <br /> ::It looks like the hoodie that Sarah was wearing in &quot;No Trespassing.&quot; Is Bree a dirty clothing thief :O!<br /> ::more importantly, does a hoodie count as a hat? probably not. but it is interesting, right? - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] june 16 2007<br /> :::I hope the hoodie counts as a hat. Quite frankly, Bree's been out of her mind with no explanation for it... If she was actually using this to trick the Order, maybe it would start making some sense. --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 11:47, 16 June 2007 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Going_Home&diff=52752 2007-06-16T04:16:51Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;center&gt;<br /> {| align=center style=&quot;width:375px&quot; border=2 border-color=#2574C4<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0213-BreeInTheWoodsLookingAtCamera.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0213-BreeInTheWoodsLookingAround.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0213-BreeLostInTheWoods.jpg|125px]]<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:52, 15 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> :So, I guess this was uploaded from her cell phone (hence the minimal editing and crap-ish sound; plus, the monologue just implies that it was her cell phone). Is this note-worthy? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 23:16, 15 June 2007 (CDT)</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=List_of_lonelygirl15_videos/Season_3&diff=52625 2007-06-15T21:48:27Z

<p>Rekidk: Nikki B&#039;s videos aren&#039;t part of the numbering</p> <hr /> <div>{|width=&quot;100%&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;0&quot; style=&quot;border-spacing: 0px; table-layout: fixed;&quot;<br /> |style=&quot;width: 20px; border-left: 15px solid #ffffff;&quot;|<br /> |<br /> |style=&quot;width: 20px;&quot;|<br /> |style=&quot;width: 190px;&quot;|<br /> |style=&quot;width: 190px;&quot;|<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;5&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97;&quot;|[[Image:List of videos.jpg]] &lt;!-- #134b9c is the real color --&gt;<br /> |-<br /> |align=&quot;left&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;width: 20px; border-left: 15px solid #1a4b97; padding: 0px;&quot;|[[Image:Lgp lov tl corner.png]]<br /> |&amp;nbsp;<br /> |align=&quot;right&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;width: 20px; padding: 0px;&quot;|[[Image:Lgp lov tr corner.png]]<br /> |colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; width: 380px;&quot;|&amp;nbsp;<br /> |-<br /> |colspan=&quot;3&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot; style=&quot;border-left: 15px solid #1a4b97; padding: 0px;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:13px; line-height:18px&quot;|<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ########################### LIST STARTS HERE ###########################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:13px; line-height:20px&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;ol&gt;<br /> ===In The Beginning...===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad &quot;talks&quot; to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree's Religion===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===More Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Ceremony===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}} <br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===More Questions===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are &quot;They&quot;]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Things Turn Dark===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel Escape===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[What's in the Box/Bree &amp; Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===The Watchers===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree and Daniel Get Desperate===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Going To Jonas===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree Makes A Move===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree &amp; Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel’s A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Daniel's Disappearance===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===&quot;Those Who Fight And Run Away...&quot;===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Who IS Jonas?=== <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Introducing Aunt Alex!===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === Tracked, Captured, and Escaped ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===South Of The Border===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Going Underground===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === The Search For Jules ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}} <br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Naïve Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> ===Bree's Surrender ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> &lt;br&gt;<br /> === Getting Bree Back ===<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Bedside Manner]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Taking Advantage of Her]] {{Init|Daniel}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[HOLY SH%T!!!]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[The Morning After]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Mr. Park Ranger]] {{Init|Jonas}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Everybody Does It ;)]] {{Init|Sarah}}<br /> &lt;li&gt;[[Like A Virgin]] {{Init|Taylor}}<br /> &lt;br&gt;[[My Eternal Song]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}<br /> &lt;/ol&gt;<br /> &lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################ LIST ENDS HERE ############################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> |style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; width: 190px;&quot; align=&quot;center&quot; valign=&quot;top&quot;|<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;width: 95%; border: 1px solid #FFFFFF; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;background-color: #1a4b97; color: #FFFFFF; font-weight: bold;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:13px; line-height:18px&quot;&gt;Table of Contents&lt;/div&gt;<br /> &lt;div style=&quot;padding: 3px; vertical-align: middle; background-color: #FFFFFF; border: 3px solid #1a4b97; text-align: left;font-family:Arial,Sans-serif; font-size:12px; line-height:15px&quot;&gt;<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################ TOC STARTS HERE ###########################<br /> #################################################################### --&gt;<br /> *[[#In the beginning...|In the beginning...]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel's relationship|Bree &amp; Daniel's relationship]]<br /> *[[#Bree's religion|Bree's religion]]<br /> *[[#More Bree &amp; Daniel's relationship|More Bree &amp; Daniel's relationship]]<br /> *[[#The ceremony|The ceremony]]<br /> *[[#More questions|More questions]]<br /> *[[#Things turn dark|Things turn dark]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel escape|Bree &amp; Daniel escape]]<br /> *[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]<br /> *[[#Bree and Daniel get desperate|Bree and Daniel get desperate]]<br /> *[[#Going to Jonas|Going to Jonas]]<br /> *[[#Bree makes a move|Bree makes a move]]<br /> *[[#Bree &amp; Daniel's relationship ad nauseam|Bree &amp; Daniel's relationship ad nauseam]]<br /> *[[#Daniel's disappearance|Daniel's disappearance]]<br /> *[[#&quot;Those who fight and run away...&quot;|&quot;Those who fight and run away...&quot;]]<br /> *[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]<br /> *[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]<br /> *[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]<br /> *[[#South of the Border|South of the Border]]<br /> *[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]<br /> *[[#The Search for Jules|The Search for Jules]]<br /> *[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]<br /> *[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]<br /> &lt;!-- ###################################################################<br /> ############################# TOC ENDS HERE 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Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Mr._Park_Ranger&diff=52162 2007-06-13T01:25:12Z

<p>Rekidk: /* YouTube */</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;center&gt;<br /> {| align=center style=&quot;width:375px&quot; border=2 border-color=#2574C4<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0210-JonasWithHandOnHead.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0210-SarahLookingUp.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0210-DanielInTheWoods.jpg|125px]]<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 06:11, 12 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==YouTube==<br /> <br /> This video wasn't posted on YouTube, and I am shocked! (They were keeping it up to date so well...) Should we put it in the notes section, or wait to see if it shows up on YouTube? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 20:25, 12 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Sucky ==<br /> <br /> Man this is seriously sucky for Jonas. I mean, first his parents disappear mysteriously, now Bree? Not surprising that he freaked out when he got near some water... --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]<br /> <br /> == Water metaphors ==<br /> <br /> jonas and the water is interesting. it represents mystery and danger but also openness and choices. what do you think? - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] june 12, 2007</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:Mr._Park_Ranger&diff=52161 2007-06-13T01:24:59Z

<p>Rekidk: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;center&gt;<br /> {| align=center style=&quot;width:375px&quot; border=2 border-color=#2574C4<br /> |-<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0210-JonasWithHandOnHead.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0210-SarahLookingUp.jpg|125px]]<br /> | style=&quot;background:white&quot;|[[Image:0210-DanielInTheWoods.jpg|125px]]<br /> |-<br /> |}<br /> [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 06:11, 12 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> &lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==YouTube==<br /> <br /> This video wasn't posted on YouTube, and I am shocked! (They were keeping it up to date so well...)<br /> <br /> Should we put it in the notes section, or wait to see if it shows up on YouTube?<br /> <br /> == Sucky ==<br /> <br /> Man this is seriously sucky for Jonas. I mean, first his parents disappear mysteriously, now Bree? Not surprising that he freaked out when he got near some water... --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]<br /> <br /> == Water metaphors ==<br /> <br /> jonas and the water is interesting. it represents mystery and danger but also openness and choices. what do you think? - [[user:platypusrex256|platypus]] june 12, 2007</div>

Rekidk http://192.168.12.222/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_lonelygirl15_videos/Season_3&diff=51588 2007-06-08T19:16:37Z

<p>Rekidk: /* Adding Nikki Bower and Jules */</p> <hr /> <div>for older discussions see [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/archive]]<br /> <br /> <br /> == Adding Nikki Bower and Jules ==<br /> <br /> Ok so it look like Nikki bower is clearly Canon now, as is Jules. Do they belong in this list? They aren't in the left colum yet, but I think that is an oversight by the webmaster, since they are a necessary part of the story -[[User:Misty|misty]] 09:35, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I doubt it's an oversight, more of a way to keep us guessing. I still think we should stick with our rule about videos being in the left column. If they both turn out to be canon, I'm sure they'll add the videos to the column.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:43, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::Bree's mentioning [[Nikki Bower|Nikki]] and Nikki's exposure of Jules to be semi-reliable, I think that's at least the Creators' way of saying that Nikki is canon. As for Jules, she may not be the &quot;new girl&quot;, but she IS a canon character... Nikki (supposedly canon) acknowledged her as the &quot;ceremony girl&quot; and Bree showed a screencap of her YouTube channel in [[New Girl]]. --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:58, 17 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::When you wonder whether a certain video should be on this list, first ask yourself &quot;Is this video on the lg15.com site, in the left hand column with the Bree videos?&quot;. That's your answer; those are the videos the c's deemed &quot;required viewing&quot;. The first Oppy vid was apparently [not] considered important. As for the screencaps, they're just decorative, but if it bothers you that they include some non-required vids, we can change that too. Sorry if it's confusing. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:20, 23 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::&lt;sub&gt;'''Note:'''I added &quot;not&quot; in my post because I wrote it out from the first time. Sorry to anyone who got thrown off by that. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:42, 25 April 2007 (CDT)&lt;/sub&gt;<br /> <br /> ::::I'm sorry, OwenIsCool, but I disagree. &quot;The first Oppy vid was apparently considered important.&quot; The first OpAphid video, [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]], was not on the left-hand column and was not deemed required viewing, and it is not on this list although IT IS a canon video. I think that all CANON videos should be on this list, and canon apparently now includes Nikki Bower and Jules, unless the Creators are just playing with our heads. Tachyon and Brother are CONFIRMED CANON characters from the Creators, even though they will not be on here anymore due to Glenn's firing... but Op is still on here! ...I stand my case. --[[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 15:45, 25 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::Whoa, there no need to get excited. Sorry, I meant that it was '''not''' considered important. That's why it was left out of the left-hand column of lg15.com, and that's why it's not on this list. I apologize for confusing you with my slip-up. This is really very simple. All we want to do with this page is replicate the left-hand column of videos on lg15.com. If you want to know why Nikki B, Jules, and Tachyon are not on there, please take it up with the Creators. It's not ''our'' call and I don't know how they determine what goes and what doesn't.<br /> <br /> Ok , I want to revisit the whole issue of including only the videos in the left column. if you notice Bree's first video isn't in the left colume, but no one would say it doesn't belong in this list. I would like to see all canon videos in the list, including all the Nikki Bower, Jules and Taylor videos. And I think that we can decide that by concensus regardless of what the creators do on the homepage. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 30 April 2007 (CDT)<br /> :A couple of Bree's early videos are not on the left column because they are just not on Revver at all. This had to do with copyright issues and not whether the c's wanted them there. There's no question that all Bree videos should be there, the only reason we list them and the c's don't is because we can and they can't. It's a different issue with Oppy, Tachy, Nikki and Jules. They chose to leave those out, for their own reasons, and at LGPedia, we're just cataloging and organizing their stuff. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]<br /> <br /> ::I still disagree, OIC. I would love to see Nikki, Jules, Taylor, Tachyon, and Brother videos on this list. Or maybe Tachyon and Brother are out of the picture due to Glenn's firing? But then I would vote for removing Op's videos. The Creators can do what they want on the left-hand column, but just because they do something on the main page, that doesn't mean it can't be on here. I agree with Misty on this issue, and would like to see it [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/resolution|resolved]], so I am making a talk resolution page so we can figure out exactly what videos need to be on the list. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:13, 13 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I would just like to say that like Gemma and Jonas, Taylor's should probably be included (her pre-Canon ones) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:11, 23 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Okay, if I checked correctly, it appears that all the characters in question have been added except for Nikki B. I really think she should be added. It is extremely clear at this point that the videos have ties to the C's. They have also helped reveal a ton of secrets about the stories you cannot get in any other videos. They help bring a broader knowledge of LG15 to a viewer who is trying to catch up, but in a way that is intricately connected to the story (she was mentioned in a Bree video!) and to the people behind the stories ([[Alli Danziger]]).... Hm, I was thinking.. maybe this page shouldn't be a list ONLY of what the C's post on the main page.. but of the videos related to the series and that should be watched to fully experience the [[Breeniverse]]. Okay yeah. I need to stop making edits at 3 am :P Hopefully this is coherant.. I'd love your thoughts though!! {{unsigned|Zoey}}<br /> <br /> :This is spectacular! I really like having a full list of canon videos instead of just repeating the information already on the front page.Anyways, I went through the list for completion and noticed that these videos weren't present. Now, granted, '''all''' of the following videos are pretty insignificant, but should they (as canon vids) be added to the list? Opinions on the following:<br /> *[[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]], by [[Bree]] (May 24th, 2006)<br /> *[[YouTubers Secret Language]], by [[Bree]] (May 26th, 2006)<br /> *[[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]], by [[Brother]] (May 30th, 2006)<br /> *[[Sparks Are Flying]], by [[Brother]] (May 30th, 2006)<br /> *[[3-2-1 Contact]], by [[Brother]] (June 1st, 2006)<br /> *[[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]], by [[Warpylol]] (August 6th, 2006)<br /> :Of course, there are reasons why all of them have not been considered; Bree's first two videos were created essentially to gain an audience; Brother's first three videos were simply of fireworks; and Warpylol's video is less than one second long. On top of that, I still don't understand if Warpylol is canon (or was he a fan that took the side of OpAphid?). Anyways, these don't contribute much to the LG15 story, but if we're creating a 'complete' list... Should they be on there? My opinion is that the three Brother videos and the one by Warpylol should be included--but not Bree's first two. Opinions? --[[User:Rekidk|Rekidk]] 14:16, 8 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == the enormous size of this page ==<br /> <br /> Okay, so I'm at a slower computer than I'm normally at, and I just loaded up this page. It took ''89'' seconds, a minute and a half, to finish loading. I dunno, I think that's sort of a problem. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:02, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> : I brought this up a while back on lucy's balcony. The easiest fix I can think of, would be to get rid of the video expand, but renegade put a lot of work into it, so I think he should have som e say in the matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:02, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::I'm on a pretty fast computer and it takes about a minute to load every time. It gets on my nerves since I'm using IE and I would ''like'' it if we got rid of the video expand, but Renegade did put a lot of work into it. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 16:34, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::It's interesting it's taking that long for some of you. It only takes a few seconds for me, and I don't consider my computer to be extraordinarily fast.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:19, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: the speed of the internet connection makes much more difference than the speed of the computer -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:36, 11 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::I have Verizon FiOS which is supposed to be almost as fast as Comcast High Speed, and everything else loads super quick, but this page takes about a minute. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 11:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::well I don't want to step on renagades toes, but it seems we have concensus here to remove the video expand. if anyone come back with a complaint we can always revert. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:09, 15 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> well it seems like this page still takes a really long time to load. who thinks we need to do another redesign that uses less images than the current montage. Perhaps 1 per story arc. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :I don't know . . . sure it occasionally take me a while to load (FYI, I do use IE) I like how the current list is roughly equal to the picture montage (It was actually kinda short, but someone just plugged in the Tachyon/Brother vids, so now its really close). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:37, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :: if you look at the discussion below, you'll see that that's another problem, the montage doesn't is either too short in IE and Safari, or too long in Firefox and camino. so we have one more reason to get rid of it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:43, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :::I object to removing the montage. I think it gives a great overview of the story in picture form that we don't have anywhere else. I think it looks really good on the page. As far as the browser difficulties, perhaps there is a way to work around it. I would just hate to see the montage go for that reason.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:56, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: ok how about a more limited montage with fewer pics. I created it on [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign]] -[[User:Misty|misty]] 16:11, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::I saw the redesign, and honestly the pictures there don't flow as well as they currently do. BDJ &amp; Co. have been through A LOT in the past year, and I like how the current list reflects it as such. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:10, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::: If you don't like the limited montage what is the alternative that you propose? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:10, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::: Now that the videxpand template was removed this page loads pretty fast for me. The alignment problems aren't fixed by switching to a single column montage, so we might as well keep the double column. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:42, 2 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::::: So do we have consensus that the speed is acceptable? The montage needs to be updated since the addition of the NBR videos, but before i do that I need to know we have consensus to keep it the way it is. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Line-Height problem ==<br /> <br /> In order for this page to look right we need to keep the line-height the same in all browsers. I've trid to specify the line height in various ways, but I always get more pixels per line in gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino, etc) than I do in other browsers (Safari, IE, etc). Currently I have line-height specified at 20px. Does anyone know how to make the line height the same for all browsers?<br /> :While there seems to be a known bug of sorts with IE and line-height (surprise!), are you sure, in this case, that it's not due to IE's different way of calculating height? 'cause, technically, I don't think the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s below each other count as a paragraph of text...they should be a bunch of formatted child objects of &amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;. Chances are that line-height would affect the line-height of the text written within the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s, i.e. not the space between the &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;s, but the space between multiple lines written within any particular &amp;lt;li&amp;gt;.<br /> <br /> :...which, of course, creates a new problem: There is no use setting a fixed margin, 'cause [http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/internet_explorer_and_the_css_box_model/ IE renders the height differently] - you'd have to hack it (examples under the same link).<br /> <br /> :That's my guess, anyway.<br /> ::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 07:36, 16 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> :::In this case it's a Gecko bug.Currently the line spacing is set to match the montage on Gecko browsers, but be offf on every other browser. Should we change it to match the spacing of IE, Safari, and most other Browsers, or Keep it to match only the Gecko Browsers. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:11, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> ::::How exactly is this a Gecko bug, or rather: What is bugged? What exactly does FF do differently than IE? Where do the extra pixels come from? (Maybe we can find a workaround.)<br /> :::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:43, 17 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> ::::: gecko adds an extra pixel to text objects such as list items. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> Since it doesn't loook like there is a solution to the discrepensy, we need consensus for aligning to gecko browsers (Firefox, Camino, Seamonkey) or non gecko browsers (IE, Safari, Opera). Does anyone have an opinoion? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == Clickable Pics ==<br /> <br /> If no one objects, I think that each of those awesome pictures should redirect to the blog that they're from. (I found myself trying to navigate by clicking them...) I'm gonna start in on doing this. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 18:37, 21 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :I think that's a good idea. We've been doing that with other pages like [[Notable Details]] so it makes sense to do it here too.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]]<br /> :: go for it -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> :Please do, I don't know how many times I've tried to click them. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 02:14, 3 June 2007 (CDT)<br /> <br /> == story Arcs ==<br /> <br /> I reverted the Bree Poster child heading because the story is really in the same arc as when Bree surrendered, the fact that she appeared on an order video didn't shift the direction of the story: we are still resolving the events of her surrender. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 18:24, 30 May 2007 (CDT)</div>

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