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Sneak Attack!

2008-05-10T02:45:01Z

Malan89:

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| description = I'm speechless.
| location = [[Lonelygirl15 minor locations#Salinas Campaign Headquarters|Salinas Campaign Headquarters]]
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==Transcript==
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==Notes==

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2008-05-10T02:44:37Z

Malan89:

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File:0479-WheelsAreInMotion.JPG

2008-05-10T02:43:44Z

Malan89: Category:Images of Elizabeth Avery

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2007-08-11T21:27:30Z

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2007-08-11T21:26:36Z

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2007-08-11T21:26:19Z

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Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 - 9 am

2007-08-04T00:53:39Z

Malan89:

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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two hundred forty sixth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

File:0246-JonasFixingCar.JPG

2007-08-04T00:52:58Z

Malan89: Jonas fixing TAGG's SUV in the 2nd of 12 Season Finale videos.

Jonas fixing TAGG's SUV in the 2nd of 12 Season Finale videos.

Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 - 8 am

2007-08-04T00:40:33Z

Malan89:

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| description = I got a call from Deep Throat, our informant inside The Order. She told me that the Ceremony is today at 4 pm but she doesn’t know where. She is going to try and find out and leave us information along the way. First, we have to go somewhere in Santa Monica, but we don’t know where. I her voicemail message on Bree’s MySpace page, see if you can help me decode it. http://www.myspace.com/lonelygurl15
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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two hundred forty fifth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==

(Camera shows Daniel standing on a patio. An 8AM time sticker appears in the corner.)

'''Daniel:''' Ok, so I couldn't sleep last night. Kept having this same dream over and over. I'd wake up screaming. But, I can't really remember much. I just remember I was losing something. Something very important to me. And today's the day we have to find Bree before she does this ceremony. So, I just. We have the serum now but we're not sure its going to work.

(Jonas and Sarah are heard yelling in the distance.)

'''Jonas:''' I'm not gonna chase you everywhere.

'''Daniel:''' Sarah!

'''Jonas:''' Stop! (Grabs Sarah)

'''Daniel:''' Jonas!

'''Taylor:''' You guys, stop!

'''Sarah:''' Just give me five minutes.

'''Jonas:''' We don't have time for this. Just give me the keys.

(Jonas and Sarah struggle for the keys in Sarah's hands.)

'''Daniel:''' Hey, bro! Get off her man! What are you doing?

'''Jonas:''' Do something about this! She won't give me the keys.

'''Daniel:''' Well, that's not gonna help. (to Sarah) Just give him the keys.

'''Sarah:''' You're just being an asshole! Nobody's even listening to me!

'''Jonas:''' Because you're a brat!

'''Sarah:''' Taylor, in! Now!

'''Daniel:''' Dude, what's going on?

'''Jonas''' I don't know.

'''Taylor:''' Okay, look guys. (Grabs an angry Jonas on his way in) Listen to me!

'''Jonas:''' What? What? What?

'''Taylor:''' Sarah and I talked last night and we don't want to go through with this.

'''Jonas:''' Then don't come, but we have to go. (to Daniel) Come on, man!

'''Taylor:''' Jonas, will you just listen to me?

'''Jonas:''' No, we don't have time!

'''Taylor:''' Daniel!

(Daniel goes after Jonas through the front door. Jonas walks toward a SUV.)

'''Jonas:''' Where's Sarah?

'''Taylor:''' I don't know! Can we please talk about this?

'''Jonas:''' No!

'''Taylor:''' It's not smart to just go after her!

'''Jonas:''' Maybe this is too much for you to handle.

'''Daniel:''' Jonas, let's go.

'''Jonas:''' Taylor, wait. Taylor, look. I'm sorry but you're only sixteen years old.

'''Taylor:''' Bree was only a year older then me. You think she was handling it better?

'''Daniel:''' Come on man! Let's go! Spencer!

(Sarah comes out the front door.)

'''Sarah:''' Daniel, wait!

'''Daniel:''' What do you want?

'''Sarah:''' I just, umm. Okay, umm. (Jonas honks horn with Sarah leaning against car.) Can you just give me a minute?

'''Daniel:''' Well then hurry up!

'''Sarah:''' Alright, I don't want you to go.

'''Daniel:''' Why are you doing this now?

'''Sarah:''' Because this whole thing is just stupid. Okay? I don't care about Bree! I care about you and I care about my sister!

'''Jonas:''' Well then don't.....

'''Sarah:''' You know what? Screw Bree and screw you too!

'''Daniel:''' Fine then, screw us. Whatever.

'''Sarah:''' Just listen to me. Don't you get it? Bree doesn't care about anybody but herself. She's manipulating you. Daniel, she doesn't love you. You're the best friend.

'''Daniel:''' You're the only manipulative person out here and you're wasting my time! Let's go!

(Daniel gets in car with Jonas.)

'''Sarah:''' Sorry I wasted your time.

'''Jonas:''' Give me the keys. Jesus!

'''Taylor:''' Daniel, wait!

'''Daniel:''' What?

'''Taylor:''' Go after her!

(12 in 12 promo appears on screen with the message "exclusively on MyspaceTV.)

Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 - 8 am

2007-08-04T00:38:11Z

Malan89: Pic

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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two hundred forty fifth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==

(Camera shows Daniel standing on a patio. An 8AM time sticker appears in the corner.)

'''Daniel:''' Ok, so I couldn't sleep last night. Kept having this same dream over and over. I'd wake up screaming. But, I can't really remember much. I just remember I was losing something. Something very important to me. And today's the day we have to find Bree before she does this ceremony. So, I just. We have the serum now but we're not sure its going to work.

(Jonas and Sarah are heard yelling in the distance.)

'''Jonas:''' I'm not gonna chase you everywhere.

'''Daniel:''' Sarah!

'''Jonas:''' Stop! (Grabs Sarah)

'''Daniel:''' Jonas!

'''Taylor:''' You guys, stop!

'''Sarah:''' Just give me five minutes.

'''Jonas:''' We don't have time for this. Just give me the keys.

(Jonas and Sarah struggle for the keys in Sarah's hands.)

'''Daniel:''' Hey, bro! Get off her man! What are you doing?

'''Jonas:''' Do something about this! She won't give me the keys.

'''Daniel:''' Well, that's not gonna help. (to Sarah) Just give him the keys.

'''Sarah:''' You're just being an asshole! Nobody's even listening to me!

'''Jonas:''' Because you're a brat!

'''Sarah:''' Taylor, in! Now!

'''Daniel:''' Dude, what's going on?

'''Jonas''' I don't know.

'''Taylor:''' Okay, look guys. (Grabs an angry Jonas on his way in) Listen to me!

'''Jonas:''' What? What? What?

'''Taylor:''' Sarah and I talked last night and we don't want to go through with this.

'''Jonas:''' Then don't come, but we have to go. (to Daniel) Come on, man!

'''Taylor:''' Jonas, will you just listen to me?

'''Jonas:''' No, we don't have time!

'''Taylor:''' Daniel!

(Daniel goes after Jonas through the front door. Jonas walks toward a SUV.)

'''Jonas:''' Where's Sarah?

'''Taylor:''' I don't know! Can we please talk about this?

'''Jonas:''' No!

'''Taylor:''' It's not smart to just go after her!

'''Jonas:''' Maybe this is too much for you to handle.

'''Daniel:''' Jonas, let's go.

'''Jonas:''' Taylor, wait. Taylor, look. I'm sorry but you're only sixteen years old.

'''Taylor:''' Bree was only a year older then me. You think she was handling it better?

'''Daniel:''' Come on man! Let's go! Spencer!

(Sarah comes out the front door.)

'''Sarah:''' Daniel, wait!

'''Daniel:''' What do you want?

'''Sarah:''' I just, umm. Okay, umm. (Jonas honks horn with Sarah leaning against car.) Can you just give me a minute?

'''Daniel:''' Well then hurry up!

'''Sarah:''' Alright, I don't want you to go.

'''Daniel:''' Why are you doing this now?

'''Sarah:''' Because this whole thing is just stupid. Okay? I don't care about Bree! I care about you and I care about my sister!

'''Jonas:''' Well then don't.....

'''Sarah:''' You know what? Screw Bree and screw you too!

'''Daniel:''' Fine then, screw us. Whatever.

'''Sarah:''' Just listen to me. Don't you get it? Bree doesn't care about anybody but herself. She's manipulating you. Daniel, she doesn't love you. You're the best friend.

'''Daniel:''' You're the only manipulative person out here and you're wasting my time! Let's go!

(Daniel gets in car with Jonas.)

'''Sarah:''' Sorry I wasted your time.

'''Jonas:''' Give me the keys. Jesus!

'''Taylor:''' Daniel, wait!

'''Daniel:''' What?

'''Taylor:''' Go after her!

(12 in 12 promo appears on screen with the message "exclusively on MyspaceTV.)

File:0245-JonasAndSarahFighting.JPG

2007-08-04T00:37:40Z

Malan89: Jonas and Sarah struggle in the first video of the 12 in 12 finale.

Jonas and Sarah struggle in the first video of the 12 in 12 finale.

User:69.132.197.146

2007-08-02T22:35:12Z

Malan89:

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2007-08-02T22:34:54Z

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Lovers Quarrel

2007-08-02T22:33:22Z

Malan89: URL took me to a video deleted message. Fixed it.

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== Transcript ==
(Camera shows Gavin sitting near the camera with Kate and Tariq fighting in the other room)

'''Gavin''' This is why you don't want a high maintanance bird.

(Cut to Tariq arguing with Kate. Gavin seems to be holding the camera around the corner to catch their fight)

'''Tariq''' Why did you tell me that today when you could have told me yesterday or the day before?

'''Kate''' This is absolutely ridiculous. Tariq, please!

'''Tariq''' You still haven't told me why you met your ex-boyfriend.

'''Kate''' (mumbles)

'''Tariq''' Are you getting back with him?!

'''Kate''' No! I've got to go. Please don't.....

'''Tariq''' So you're gonna carry on with me while you have a little fun with him on the side? Don't screw me around, Kate. Or whatever your name is.

'''Kate''' Tariq, it's my ex, my ex. And it's not because I wanted to, its because I had to. (starts to pack a bag) He was in one of my dreams.

'''Tariq''' He was in your dream?

'''Kate''' Look, it wasn't like that. He was in one of my dreams and I thought that if I met him that I'd be able to figure some things out.

'''Tariq''' What's up, Kate?

'''Kate''' Thanks, Tariq. I'd care to leave.

'''Tariq''' Can you just wait a minute?

'''Kate''' No, Tariq. I've got to go to the doctors to find out what my abnormal blood thing is. Maybe I'll be able to get some answers. (Kate leaves the room)

'''Tariq''' (sighs)

(Cut back to Gavin sitting on the couch in the other room)

'''Gavin''' And that my friends is why I'm single.

(Cut camera to black bra on heating unit. Gavin hums and pretends to touch it with is finger.)

== Notes ==

File:0222-SpencerLaughing-Cropped.jpg

2007-07-16T02:53:06Z

Malan89: Redirecting to Spencer

#REDIRECT [[Spencer]]
[[Category:Images of Spencer]]

Talk:The Morning After

2007-06-09T02:04:52Z

Malan89: Okay

School House Rock...XD [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 20:30, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
:Conjunction junction....What's your function? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:32, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

==The Picture==
I'm not sure how I feel about the picture of Jonas's bare chest that [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] just put up. It doesn't really say much about the video, just that Jonas has got a nice bod (which we all know!). The video is more about Jonas being giddy about his night with Bree, so I think a picture of him smiling or laughing would be more suited. What do people think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:56, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
:Feel free to take it down. It was more of a joke; Jonas is quite popular with the women of the forum. -- [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:04, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

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2007-06-09T01:45:36Z

Malan89:

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* '''[[Breeniverse]]''' — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**''[[Characters]]'' — Read about the people who make up the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Locations]]'' — See all those places our favorite characters have been.
** ''[[The Story So Far...]]'' — Find out on how the story is unfolding in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Breeniverse Timeline|Timeline]]'' — Follow the major events occurring in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Hymn of One|Bree's Religion]]'' — Just exactly what faith is Bree now on the run from? Read up on it here.
** ''[[Theories and Speculation]]'' — Learn about the sinister plots that may be taking place in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Notable Details]]'' — Check out the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos.
** ''[[Relationships]]'' — Read up on the romances of the series.

* '''[[Behind The Scenes]]''' — [[the Creators]], the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* '''[[lonelygirl15.com|lonelygirl15.com Site Features]]''' — Your guide to the forums, chat room, and LGPedia.
* '''[[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]]''' — Learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

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[[Image:Deemontreal.jpg|What have you done Lonelygirl?|160px|left]] '''[[Deemontreal]]''' — A Canadian musician who made a music video on [[YouTube]] dedicated to the fabulous [[Lonelygirl15]] after it was revealed that she was [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|fake]]. His video, which was splashed with many sly references to the series, has become a hit! With over 850,000 views, it is the most-watched fan video to date.
 
'''Previously featured articles:''' 
[[List of New Girl Candidates]], [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|The Hunt for Bree]], [[Nikki Bower]], [[Lonelygirl362436]], [[LGPedia:Featured articles|more...]]

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{{Vid
|name = The Morning After
|number = 0209
|image = 0209-JonasTheMorningAfter.JPG
|description = Jonas says he's happy about what happened with Bree the night before, but makes a startling discovery.
|blogger = Jonas
|date = June 8th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|269}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11167
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
|new = yes
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{{Vid
|name = HOLY SH%T!!!
|number = 0208
|image = 0208-JonasAndBreeKissingClose.jpg
|description = Sarah catches Bree and Jonas kissing on a porch swing.
|blogger = Sarah
|date = June 7th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|268}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11130
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
}}

{{Vid
|name = Taking Advantage of Her
|number = 0207
|image = Check_me_out.JPG
|description = Daniel is upset over the way Jonas has handled Bree.
|blogger = Daniel
|date = June 6th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|267}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11094
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
}}

{{Vid
|name = Bedside Manner
|number = 0206
|image = 0206-BreeSarahChinScratch.jpg
|description = Daniel, Sarah and Jonas each attempt to deprogram Bree in their own way.
|blogger = Jonas
|date = June 5th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|266}}
|forumurl = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11022
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
}}

'''Recent videos'''
*[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]]
*[[Getting Her Back]]
*[[It's A Cult]]
*[[Entertaining Myself]]
*[[Opening the Box]]

'''[[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of all videos...]]'''

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The Morning After

2007-06-09T01:42:49Z

Malan89:

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| caption = Last night was ''amazing''.
| blogger = Jonas
| date = June 8th, 2007
| url = {{lg15|269}}
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| length = 1:41
| description = Last night was amazing...why can't good things last? - Jonas
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'''The Morning After''' is the two hundred ninth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
(''Jonas is lying in bed without a shirt on. Camera pans up his body and he raises a coffee mug to the camera.'')

'''Jonas:''' Good morning. Cheers. So I just ran into Daniel like five seconds ago in the uh, kitchen. Thanks for the coffee. Oh, and thanks for the heads up. I found out about the "Sarah find" and... eh. I guess maybe I should be pisesd, on some level, but (''takes a sip of coffee'') I'm really not. I actually think it's kind of cool that my first kiss with Bree was recorded. Posterity. Daniel, I noticed the cold shoulder. Look, if you're not going to talk to me, then I'm going to talk to you through this. Look man, I wish you would get over it. I mean you say... you say you're over it. But that's not the way you're acting. Come on, man. This is a good thing. This is a ''really'' good thing. You know Bree. And if she's allowing me to get this close to her, I mean it's amazing. This is (''grins'') amazing. I don't know why you're trying to make me feel bad. Look, I know this man. This is our old Bree. She's out from under their power. Don't you get that? She's back! I know it, because I can see it in her eyes, man. I can ''see'' it. I've never been more sure about anything in my whole life.

(''Cuts to Jonas standing in front of the bathroom door.'')

'''Jonas:''' So, we all know Bree likes her long showers, but this is getting a little ridiculous, so let's check it out. (''He knocks on the door.'') Hey, you need any help in there? (''He smiles at the camera.'') Hey Bree? (''He knocks again.'') Bree, you want breakfast? I can make you anything you want! Bree...? Hey... Bree? (''He opens the bathroom door.'') Hey... (''He pulls back the shower curtain, revealing that Bree is not there.'') NO!

==Notes==
*When Jonas says "I actually think it's kind of cool..." the camera pans slightly to the left, revealing the pink shirt worn by Bree the previous night hanging on the bed post. This hints that Bree and Jonas [[Relationships#Bree_and_Jonas|might have spent the night together]], and could have engaged in sexual intercourse.

File:0209-JonasTheMorningAfter.JPG

2007-06-09T01:40:58Z

Malan89: Jonas in "The Morning After".

Jonas in "The Morning After".

Talk:The Morning After

2007-06-09T01:32:13Z

Malan89:

School House Rock...XD [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 20:30, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
:Conjunction junction....What's your function? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:32, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

User:Malan89

2007-06-04T03:08:08Z

Malan89:

User talk:Malan89

2007-06-04T03:07:54Z

Malan89:

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-18T01:32:53Z

Malan89: Taylor

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-14T03:08:48Z

Malan89: Just my opinion.

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==Features==
Does anybody else think that the featured article should be at the top of the page? Maybe somebody could try making the top header smaller and sticking it to above the table and using the white space above Latest Developments for the featured article. I hope that makes sense, I tried to visualize it. Just a thought. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:25, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

== Alex to migrate to main page? ==

I know this has already been debated, but I think that Alex should be moved to the Main Page very soon.
Some people have said she shouldn't because she's not a blogger like Bree, Daniel, Gemma and Jonas; I still consider her a main character. No one ever really said that all main characters have to be bloggers...

No i don't believe that she should, Because the main characters on the main page, are in all or most of the videos and shes not in that many, I think that it would just be safe to keep her in the supporting characters section, unless she becomes a character that should be put on the main page.

But thats my personal opinion.

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

Well, I say we should give it another two or three weeks, ''then'' decide.
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]
: In my opinion we should change the title from "Main Charcters" to "Bloggers" to try and avoid this confussion, because you can argue forever as to what constitutes a main character, as seen above in the "Gemma" section, with people thinking Bree's Parents should be in there. I think we should go down the route of simplicity and have it as bloggers, since these are the charcters we are connected to, since we see it through there point of view. Just my opinion. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:22, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:: in my opinion, there are no "bloggers" anymore. the "Blogs" have just become plot points, which are posted as episodes of the lonelygirl15 series, under the lonelygirl15 productions' account on revver and youtube-[[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:34, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:::It's true that they are not blogs in the traditional sense (hehe, it's funny using the word traditional about blogs, anyway back to my point) but I cannot think of a better word. Thinking about it "Episodes of the lonelygirl15 series" is all they ever have been, done in blog form or not. Anyway I think that Alex should not be there, and the title should be changed to Bloggers, since the Teen Angst Adventure Gang are still the only individuals who post videos (the order and all it's factions discounted) and they are the people who give us the plot, Aunt Alex is part of the plot but BDJ ''are'' the plot. Anyway just my opinions, apologies for the long and ramblingness of them. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:58, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think that if Alex is the topic of another post or two, then she should be added to the list of main characters.--[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 11:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Lets see if Alex goes with them, when they leave mexico, if she does, then I agree, put her on the front page -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:34, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I think maybe it's time for Alex to hit the main page - she posted her first blog. Yes, I know it's officially a DB vid but it's still technically by Alex. All Daniel really did was hold the camera :P
Anyone else agree that she should now be moved?
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]
: In theory I agree with you, but I think it's still premature. It's possible that BD&J, will take off, and that will be the last we hear from Alex. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:39, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
::Not sure I understand the obsession with moving Alex to the main page. It's not you personally, AccordianGuy--people have been anticipating this since the [[Uncle Dan]] days. I think it's a little premature and we should give the character a chance to really become "main" before adding her. In the meantime, though, if you feel like searching for some nice picture of her that we can use, you can go ahead and do so. You can post them here for others to chime in on which they like. We'll need to pick an image before adding her anyway, so might as well get a start. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:56, 11 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Well given this latest video It doesn't look likely tha alex is gonna become a main character -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

== Bree's new picture ==

what video is Bree's new picture from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] ([[User talk:Garfwog|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Garfwog|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:[[Snow Angels]].--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:54, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

[[image:177-Bree.jpg|100px]]How does everyone feel about making
this the pic of Bree on the main page? -[[User:Misty|misty]] 15:13, 20 April 2007 (CDT)

:no way that' a really bad picture. the main reason i asked where her new picture is from is because that's the prettiest she's ever looked you can't ever get rid of it! -[[User:Garfwog|Garfwog]] 18:35, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

== NBR on main page? ==

JayHenry put Nikki Bowers latest video on the back on th main page, after I deleted it . I thhought that the main page and the video list were only supposed to include canon videos. on the list of videos talk it was decided that even the tachyon and brother videos don't belong. So can we get clear criteria as far as what gets included and what doesn't -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:01, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

:I added it following the conversation at [[Talk:Following the Drugs!! - NBR Investigates]]. Nikki's video is included because it's difficult to understand the series without it. The [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] reflects those videos that appear on the left sidebar of lonelygirl15.com. But the Main Page does not follow this same guideline. Indeed, we always added Tachyon and Brother videos to the main page. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:16, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

== Video Descriptions ==

Just wondering, as this seems slightly better: have we ever considered writing our own descriptions to the new videos instead of copying and pasting the ones used when the videos are posted to Revver? We could make these descriptions shorter and more useful. When the videos are posted, they usually don't summarize the video because why would Bree, etc. tell you exactly what the video was about before you watched it? For an encyclopedia, however, it seems better to summarize. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 20:39, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, I seem to remember that we decided that writing our own descriptions would be better. Just most of the time no one does probably because it's easier to just copy/paste the description from the video. If you (or anyone) wants to start writing better descriptions, then go for it as far as I'm concerned.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:30, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

::Well, I changed them. However, I'm not sure if I like them or not -- so if anyone has any improvements/re-writes which would make them better, please add them! I think they're slightly longer than the original descriptions, which is bad in my opinion, since I already think the right column is too long. Anyways, if you guys totally don't like them feel free to revert. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 22:11, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

:Personally, I think the new descriptions are a tad too spoilerly. For someone who occasionally sees the LGPedia update before getting a chance to SEE the occasional video, it kinda bites. Any chance the descriptions can be less spoilish? -- [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]

::Hmm, good point. I'll try to work on that if I happen to write any more descriptions.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:33, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

== Smosh ==

Some time last night Smosh overtook LG15 and became the most-subscribed channel on all of YouTube. Lonelygirl15 had been at the top for over 7 months. Does anyone think we should mention this somewhere? Maybe in recent developments? Maybe just in the [[lonelygirl15]] article? I see that [[User:OwenIsCool|OIC]] already uploaded [[:Image:Smosh_ian_and_anthony.JPG]]. Thoughts? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:22, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
::Hm, well I just went and checked.. LG is currently 17 ahead of smosh... and still in the lead! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:24, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

:::You have to check their profile pages. The page for most-subscribed only updates once a day or so. At this moment [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Smosh Smosh] has 91684 and [http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=lonelygirl15 LG15] has 91638. When the page updates next and Smosh is 50 or so ahead should we mention it? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:34, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

:::Ah, okay thanks for clarifying that. I say it's worth a mention. Not like.. a whole page on its own.. but def. a blurb on the front page :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 11:37, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

==maddy : ( ==

maddy's dead! i think that's important enough to put on the main page, even if she wasn't canon.
opinions, anyone? --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 18:55, 30 April 2007 (CDT)

:It is shocking, but I don't think it relates to the LG15 storyline enough to warrant a mention on the Main Page. I have a feeling that we're going to hear more from Maddy in the future so this may not be as big as it looks like right now.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:15, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

== "Encyclopedia" section update? ==

I think we should either update or organize the "Encyclopedia" section more. I really do think this, and it is a '''strong suggestion.''' Anyone else agree? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:35, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

:I think it's a good idea. Any suggestions on what we should include?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:09, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

::I know this has been mentioned before, but perhaps the Featured Article should be right below the Main Characters. After the [[Breeniverse Timeline]] is improved, we could include that. Maybe the links to the List of Videos and List of Characters? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 16:12, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Not sure what you mean by all that. The link to "List of videos" is already where it should reasonably be found--on the videos column. The List of Characters link is already below the BDJ table. So are you just suggesting we add the Breeniverse Timeline, when it's been fixed up? And then move the FA right under the characters table, pushing everything else down?[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:15, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

:::: I definitely think we need to spruce up that section. There's a lot of pages on the wiki that are virtually impossible to find unless you know to look. Ideally, almost every page should be reachable from the Main Page in only one or two clicks. The question is, how do we identify those good pages and get them better placement? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:02, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: I think an both topical and alphabetical indexes, would be helpful to make make articles more accessible. there should be links to both on the main page. -12:37, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

I think we need to add something for the Characters.. like a link to the new [[Characters]] page? And of course my [[Relationships]] page which I have been so vying for xP And hm, I think we should add links to the [[:Category:Notable details|Notable Details]] and [[:Category:Theories and speculation|theories and speculation]] categories, although maybe we should have pages summarizing this instead of just linking to the cats. themselves. Really, other than that though, I think the encyclopedia section contains just about everything we'd need? Yeah, I just think adding those links would help. And if people agree, etc, I'm happy to make summary pages for notable details and theories and speculation. Just er, let me know if its something that sounds good and I'll get right on that!

* [[Breeniverse]] — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**[[The Story So Far...]] — Information on how the story is heading in the Breeniverse.
**[[Characters]] — learn about all our the LG15 characters
***[[Relationships]] — read up on the romances of the series
** [[Locations]] — information about all those places our favorite characters have been.
** [[Bree's religion|Bree's Religion]] — just exactly what faith does Bree follow? Read up on it here.
**[[:Category:Theories and speculation|Theories and Speculation]]— learn about what sinister plots may or not be taking place in the Breeniverse
**[[:Category:Notable details|Notable Details]] — read up on the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos
* [[Behind The Scenes]] — [[the Creators]], the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* [[lonelygirl15.com|lonelygirl15.com Site Features]] — your guide to the forums, chat room, and LGPedia.
* [[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]] — learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

That's what I was thinking. Yeah, the descriptions stink, but hey, it's a start. What do people think of this? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:37, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::::Here's what I think about those, Zoey.

* [[Breeniverse]] — Yes, but currently it is nominated for a cleanup and it is a stub, so we should probably improve it very much so first.
* [[The Story So Far...]] — Yes.
* [[Characters]] — Yes, especially after the awesomely new redesign!
* [[Relationships]] — A very good page. :) Yes.
* [[Locations]] — Yes, after a possible redesign? Currently the page is looking a bit shabby. Perhaps we could fix it up like we did the List of Videos and just recently the List of Characters?
* [[Bree's religion]] — Yes, a very big part in the plot.
* [[:Category:Theories and speculation|Theories and Speculation]] — Yes, speculation is very much so important, especially for newcomers to understand it all.
* [[:Category:Notable details|Notable details]] — No. They are tiny little details that are probably not worth mentioning.
* [[Behind The Scenes]] — I agree with this one.
* [[lonelygirl15.com|LG15 Site Features]] — No. The site features are not plot essential AT ALL except for the one time [[Bree's November 28 chat|Bree had a chat]].
* [[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial spinoffs]] — Sure. This might get newcomers excited and they'll start videoblogging as fan fiction.
And I agree, topical and alphabetical indexes would be so great. Maybe we should explain that LGPedia is a wiki that everyone can edit? Or is that already in the top part? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 15:22, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:That list is looking good. The only thing I would take out is Characters, and that's because there's already a link to that where it says "List of Characters" right under the BDJ table--you can't get much more obvious than that. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:28, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I would say keep the site features. They're not ''plot'' essential, but LG15 is an interactive experience with more than just plot. I could go either way on notable details. On the one hand, they are sorta fun; on the other hand, by definition trivial. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:34, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

:::True, OIC, I forgot about the "Full list of Characters" link. I see your point about the interactive experience - remember when we helped Daniel crack Tachyon's code? Interactive experience right there. I stand my point though about the notable details - sure, they're fun for us lonelycracks, but do we really need a link to them? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 17:02, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

::::Here is my revamped Character Box for your consideration... [[Main_Page/redesign]]. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 07:28, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::The colors look all right in the [[Characters]] page, but I think they're a little clash-y in the character box. I would leave it as is. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:47, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
::::: Okay, I think we should put up Zoey's new list -- but I don't think we should link to category pages. So unless we create a home page for "notable details" and for "Theories and speculation" those links should go. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:40, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::: Um, yeah I'm working on a [[Theories and Speculation]] page right now, although its totally hideous and in progress atm because I haven't had much time to sit down and actually ''do it''. If anyone wants to help... :P But uh, hopefully later today I'll get a chance to work on the page and make it look much prettier and ready for use on the Main Page. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:45, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

Okay, so I think this is the latest decision:

* [[Breeniverse]] — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**[[The Story So Far...]] — Information on how the story is heading in the Breeniverse.
**[[Relationships]] — read up on the romances of the series
** [[Locations]] — information about all those places our favorite characters have been.
** [[Bree's religion|Bree's Religion]] — just exactly what faith does Bree follow? Read up on it here.
** [[Theories and Speculation]] — learn about the sinister plots that may be taking place in the Breeniverse
* [[Behind The Scenes]] — [[the Creators]], the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* [[lonelygirl15.com|lonelygirl15.com Site Features]] — your guide to the forums, chat room, and LGPedia.
* [[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]] — learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.

I think that's modified to what everyone said. I (with the help of [[User:Psmith|Psmith]], have gotten the [[Theories and Speculation]] page looking halfway decent, although I'd love opinons on that before we go "live" with it (aka put it on the front page). But yeah, once that is worked out, does everyone agree with having the encyclopedia section as above? The majority seemed to vote against having a "Notable Details" page, so I didn't bother. I can still try to do that, though, if people prefer. Anyways, it seemed like this was the way we decided to go, just making sure! =) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:17, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

:Just to update, I went ahead and created a [[Notable Details]] page because really, even if it's not linked to from the front page, I think it will be useful. I do still think it ''should'' be added to the main page though... underneath Theories and Speculation. Um, I haven't heard anything to the contrary, so if I don't hear something soon, I'll go ahead and update the main page? If people end up deciding against it later, we can always revert. :P But yeah, please let me know your thoughts!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:37, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

=== cleanup ===

what does everyone think of the following:
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<h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#535353;font-size:120%;border:1px solid #4682B4;text-align:center;color:#fff;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">[[Image:star.gif]]   ENCYCLOPEDIA   [[Image:star.gif]]</h2>
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{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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* '''[[Breeniverse]]''' — contains everything that is considered "real" within Bree's universe.
**''[[Characters]]'' — Read about the people who make up the Breeniverse
** ''[[Locations]]'' — See all those places our favorite characters have been.
** ''[[The Story So Far...]]'' — Information on how the story is heading in the Breeniverse.
** ''[[Bree's religion|Bree's Religion]]'' — Just exactly what faith does Bree follow? Read up on it here.
** ''[[Theories and Speculation]]'' — Learn about the sinister plots that may be taking place in the Breeniverse
** ''[[Notable Details]]'' — Check out the little important details you may have otherwise missed in the videos
** ''[[Relationships]]'' — Read up on the romances of the series

* '''[[Behind The Scenes]]''' — [[the Creators]], the cast and crew, music, and more news from lonelyworld.
* '''[[lonelygirl15.com|lonelygirl15.com Site Features]]''' — your guide to the forums, chat room, and LGPedia.
* '''[[LG15 Spin-offs|Unofficial Spinoffs]]''' — learn more about the unofficial spinoffs inspired by lonelygirl15.
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<h2 style="margin:0;background-color:#535353;font-size:120%;border:1px solid #4682B4;text-align:left;color:#fff;padding:0.2em 0.4em;">'''Featured Article'''</h2>
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-[[User:Misty|misty]] 19:53, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

===Thoughts===
I think it looks great. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 14:28, 12 May 2007 (CDT)

I think it looks great too, but why neglect calling the Trio "Bloggers"?? -- [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]
:: We didn't call them bloggers before, but I think it just looks better without the "main characters" box above it -[[User:Misty|misty]] 00:21, 13 May 2007 (CDT)
:::It looks awesome, misty. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:46, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

===How about with colors? ===
{| align=center style="background:Black; width:300px; cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-spacing: 0px;"
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| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 0px solid #000000; border-top-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:#194B95; border: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom-width: 1px; padding: 0px;"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style="background:DeepPink; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style="background:MidnightBlue; border: 0px solid #000000;border-top-width: 0 px;border-bottom-width: 1px;"| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style="background:DarkOrange; border: 1px solid #000000; border-top-width: 0px;"| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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:Hurrah for colors! I love this so much. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 08:46, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

:: I definitely prefer it without the colors. Too many clashing colors is never good design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:15, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

:::The colors are nice and I like how they match up with the colors id'ing the bloggers on the right side of the page. If you look at the new box along with the rest of the main page, it works. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:08, 13 May 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Chelseyrl

2007-04-14T03:54:50Z

Malan89: Thanks

*If I leave something on your talk page, I would like a reply back on mine if at all possible. It is just easier for me. Thanks!

== Welcome ==

Welcome to the LGPedia, Chelsey! Glad to have more help working on cleanup. FYI, we have a [[LGPedia:General style guide|style guide]] that will help clarify a few issues of importance to cleanup efforts. I like to draw newcomers' attention particularly to the short section on possessive forms, as that seems to often cause contention. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 11:59, 8 March 2007 (CST)

== Beach Bum? ==

I reverted [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Sorry_Jonas&diff=27105&oldid=27064 your edit] to [[Sorry Jonas]]. Do you have some info about the next video that the rest of us don't have?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:07, 8 March 2007 (CST)

:My apologies, I forgot to check Revver for a new video. It's odd that it's up there but not on lonelygirl15.com.... As far as responding, I don't know if there's a set rule, but I find the conversation easier to follow if it's all on one page. Then again, it's easier for a person to see that they have a message when it's on their own talk page. In other words, it doesn't really matter to me, so either way is fine. Again, sorry about the revert and happy editing!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:18, 8 March 2007 (CST)

==Thanks==
Hi Chelsey, 
I've noticed you've been helping to keep us up to date by adding new videos and updating each characters last appearance. There's a lot of maintenance to be done every time we get a video, isn't there? Thanks for your contributions! If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. =) 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:49, 7 April 2007 (CDT)

== Character pages ==

Hey Chelsey, 
Those are great points. The character pages really need more updates than we give them. What you mentioned about Bree's page should be changed, and the other character pages actually need work too (Daniel's is especially behind!). I did some work on the Jonas article but didn't get very far. I have to admit it's challenging to organize the information about these people after everything that's happened to them, and with the haphazard, random ways we find out about their pasts. Bree's page is probably the best character page right now. 
Lol, ok, that was kind of divergent. What I meant to say is "yep, go right ahead". If you're up to it, feel free to give those other character pages a little TLC, too! Thanks for asking; always here to help. 
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:31, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

== The Perfect Beach ==

Is it loading now? I can't find it on Revver or LG15 main site. Where are you seeing this vid? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:32, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

:Thanks. Just needed to look a little harder. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 22:54, 13 April 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Chelseyrl

2007-04-14T03:32:48Z

Malan89: Quick Question

User:Malan89

2007-04-09T18:39:30Z

Malan89:

[[Image:Hustle And Flow Daniel Sleeping.JPG]]
Sleeping through Jonas' snores.
[[Image:0169-JonasAndAlexHugging.jpg]]
Gimmie a hug....

Talk:Main Page

2007-04-08T16:03:20Z

Malan89: Alex

''We've had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here. For now, only registered users can leave comments here. If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it's fast, easy, fun and free. Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User_talk:JayHenry|JayHenry]] or [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]].''

== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007]]

==Features==
Does anybody else think that the featured article should be at the top of the page? Maybe somebody could try making the top header smaller and sticking it to above the table and using the white space above Latest Developments for the featured article. I hope that makes sense, I tried to visualize it. Just a thought. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:25, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==Char. List/Gemma==

I switched the positions of Gemma and Jonas on the Char. List. It might have been alphabetical, sorry if I messed that up. I just think Jonas has surpassed Gemma in importance in the story, considering that his Dad was studing the Order. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, they were really (at least in my mind) in order of appearance, but some people have talked about taking Gemma out of that box completely. Personally, I liked it as it was before, but maybe we should revisit the issue. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 21:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::It's probably time to take Gemma out. Or at least make her image redirect to [[plot holes]]. I thought there'd be some resolution or fallout since her presumed death two months ago. I guess not. But she's definitely no longer a main character.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::It would make sense for them to be in order of appearance. But, I think Gemma is definitely not a main character anymore. Maybe we could have another link to her page and a link to plot holes somewhere in a different section. I guess we'll see how the vote going on a few lines north of here pans out. --[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 19:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::I'm expecting Alex to become a main character, and if so, I have uplodaed a [[:Image:AlexChar.jpg|picture of her]] in the proper format to replace Gemma, as she probably should. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 13:14, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I sure hope you're right. The first Alex vlog is going to be a momentous occasion if it happens. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:16, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I doubt Alex is going to start blogging. she's not exactly going to want to connect with us, gain our sympathy. but I think she should already be a main character, whether or not she's actually done a vlog. she's definitely more important right now than Gemma, and while she hasn't videotaped herself, she's had plenty of screentime. i think we should put her up now.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 02:12, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Maybe we've seen the last of Alex. Now that she's been exposed, she may never Appear on Camera again. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:48, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Did ya'll see the character box at the end of each character's page and the actor box at the end of each actors page? They both have Gemma/Jackie Jandrell as a minor character/actor in the story, with Bree, Daniel, and Jonas as the main characters and the actors who play them as major actors. The main page should reflect the entire wiki. I propose waiting to see if Alex becomes an official vlogger, then either taking the Gemma spot out entirely or switching her for Alex. It's become clear that Gemma is most likely dead and that even if she isn't, no new vids will come from Gemmers15. Let's end this once and for all and keep the main page current! [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

: I say we take Gemma out and replace her with the smaller picture option at [[Main Page/redesign]]. If Alex becomes more of a main character, we can add her. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I like the bigger option better, and I think that's a better pic of Daniel than what's on the main page now. But Gemma has to go, she hasn't been part of the story for nearly 4 months.[[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Since no one has made a comment supporting keeping Gemma on the page, I make motion that without objection within the next 24 hours, we declare that we have consensus in removing her. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:If everyone agrees that Gemma should be removed, then the table should be replaced with the small table proposed by JayHenry at [[Main Page/redesign]]. Please do not simply remove Gemma from the current table; use the new table. If you're not sure how to do it, let someone else take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I take that to be a technical point, not an objection. I wasn't suggesting that we leave a hole in the table, I was saying that we have consensus that whatever format table we use, should not include Gemma. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:36, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::: I suggest that we use the following box as it is the same width as the current box, with only a little increase in the height [[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:19, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
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|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|126px]]
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|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
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Looks good! Let's do it. But maybe you should change Main Characters to Current Bloggers. Similar to what's on the redesign. This would work as we it would only include BDJ but would not say that characters like Alex and Gemma aren't main characters (b/c they are) but it would specify who is producing the vids (BDJ)? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:I think this table is much too large. When put on the Main Page the pictures will really jump out at you. A smaller table, like the one I pointed to in [[Main Page/redesign]] would be more appropriate. I'm adding the table I mentioned below this message. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:54, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Bloggers'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
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Well I think we should leave it as Main Characters initially. Then if there is a consensus to changing it to Bloggers, we can change it afterwards. Of course Vloggers would be more accurate than Bloggers [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:Misty, I think you jumped the gun here. You proposed we wait 24 hours to hear others' opinions, and then you went and changed it 12 hours later. That shows less of a desire to create something everyone is happy with, and more so the urge to get Gemma out of there because you say so. I'm not going to revert it because I don't think Gemma will be missed that much on the table, but I just wanted to ask you to have a little more patience. It is, after all, just a wiki, not a time bomb. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:38, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually I jumped the gun accidently, I was playing around with the table in previews and I hit "save page" instead of "show preview". I thought about reverting it, but decided not to since we were going to make the change anyway. Today I made a very slight color change to it, to make it match the rest of the page a little better [[User:Misty|Misty]] 12:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

However, surely if we do go with Bloggers (which I think we should, with the divide between main and secondary charchters becoming much more ambiguous), surely Gemma should be there, she is a blogger in the series after all. Even if she no longer is blogging (vlogging, whatever) she deserves to be recognised for her part in the series. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 07:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

I bet now that Gemma has been taken off the mainpage that she will reappear in a video, just to mess it up again! [[User:SheriffOfNottingham|SheriffOfNottingham]] 13:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto! I wouldn't be surprised! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Color scheme==
For reference. I got this from [[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion]]. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT) 
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
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| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
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| style="background:#0F4C95"|
| style="background:white"|background (0F4C95)
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| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
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| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
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| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
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| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
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| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
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| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
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| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
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| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
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| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
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:I'm not sure why you changed those colors, the difference is almost imperceptible. I like the change to the background of "Full List of Characters" since it now matches the background of the column. However, I had to revert the changes to the background "Main Characters", "Bree", etc. because I didn't see the need to change from an official color to an almost identical (but slightly off) unofficial color. It's not your fault that you didn't know we had decided on a color scheme for the Main Page awhile back. I'm going to dig up that table and put it here for future reference. The color you put in was #0f4c95. The equivalent in our color scheme is #1E5DAA. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:: #0f4c95 is the color used it the top banner and the logo. If #1E5DAA is the official color, the top banner and logo should use it too. Personally I think its better to have everything match at an unofficial color, than to have somethings the unofficial color and others the official color [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:15, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::What gives you the impression that the banner is #0f4c95? I just checked the source code and the top banner actually uses #194B95 as the background color, which is neither of the colors you and I were talking about. I'm not sure why that discrepancy is there, but I didn't make the color scheme table, so I don't know how the colors were determined. (I think Brucker made it--correct me if I'm wrong). For now, I'm going to revert that last blue color you changed (in the Main Characters box), if anything to prevent yet another unofficial color from being in the mix. #1E5DAA may not be correct, but it's used elsewhere on the main page and at least this way we'll keep it uniform and we'll know what to replace if we decide to revise the color scheme. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:28, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::: I got #0f4c95 by examining the rightmost edge of Leftcorner.png. It didn't occur to me to check the code for the banner, I just assumed it would be the same. But #194B95 and #0f4c95 are so close that you can't see the mismatch in the banner. however if you set the banner background to #1E5DAA it really doesn't match the corner pngs, as you will see below. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I see what you mean now. What I'll do is make #0f4c95 the "official" background color since that should be the best match (instead of what we have now, #1E5DAA), and fix the characters boxes. Thanks for investigating; it's good that we'll be able to standardize this once and for all (I hope). [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Getting everything Standardized will require doing a color audit of all theme related images and backrounds. Right now there's some major inconsistencies. I just checked Rightcorner.png and it was #004d98, the List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign page uses #134b9c, and the header image on the lonelygirl15 home page is #005fad [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:38, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

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[[LGPedia:Welcome|Welcome]] to the '''[[LGPedia|LGPedia]]''', 
Your guide to the world of '''[[Lonelygirl15 (production)|Lonelygirl15]]''' that '''[[Help:Editing|anyone can edit]]'''. 
''Now working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles'' 
'''Warning:''' This wiki contains spoilers for the entire series.
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::No, the main page banner really has to use this color: #194B95. It might seem like the difference between this and other blues is imperceptible, but it's not. Was anybody seeing a color mismatch in the header bar on the main page? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:01, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Ah, sorry about that, Jay. My mistake. I actually didn't see a mismatch with this ''or'' the previous color. Maybe I'm just not very perceptive. Anyway, please change it to the correct shade (#194B95) on the Main Page and the color scheme table below. I really don't know how the color scheme table came about, so I'd rather take your word for what's right. I think Misty's browser might have shown some color difference, judging by how she keeps testing the colors on the Main Page. Then again, she did say that the diff between #194B95 and the color she found (#0F4C95) was imperceptible, so I think it should be fine if you use the one you have. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:10, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::: #0F4C95= red:15,green:76,blue:149. #194B95=red:14,green:75,blue:149 so you see the differnce is just 1/256 more red and green. I used photoshop to determine the color of the images by sampling the edge pixel, I didn't base it on any of my browsers. Like I said above: there's a big discrepancy between different images that needs to bee addressed before any color can be standardized for backgrounds. and the peoiple on the video list redesign don't seem to be reading this discussion here so the problem could get a little worse. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:34, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

=Website font=
On the website banner and the little banner up in the corner, What font are they using for the Lonelygirl15 part? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

I've personally tried to identify it with little luck. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine who's a graphic designer...'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 12:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:I just talked to my friend, and the while we could not identify the font, we decided a couple things: (1) It looks a lot like [http://www.linotype.com/12802/serifa75black-font.html Serifa Black], although that doesn't seem to be it. (2) It looks like the 'g' is from another typeface entirely, since it doesn't really match the rest of the letters very well in a number of ways. This type of font is generally referred to as a "slab serif" style font, but I can't find a font of that type with the sort fo curl shown on the top of the 'r' and the bottom of the 'y'. I may do more research.'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::"[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ortizlopez/olegiziano-classic/black/index.html OL Egiziano Classic Black]" is a very close match, and may in fact be the font. I think it is something in the Egiziano font family at least. (BTW, as I suspected, it seems that "Egiziano" is Italian for "Egyptian". '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:::[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/giza/threefive/ Giza ThreeFive] is even closer, it even has the overhanging serif on the lowercase g (i.e. the lowercase g in Giza actually touches the i if you write "Lonelygirl15", as in the logo, while g and i are seperate in OLEgiziano).
:::Just for reference, dunno if this is still current.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:53, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

=Add to Main Page???=
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

<center>
{| align=center border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Tachyon and Brother'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Tachyon They Are Watching.gif|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Brother sidebar.jpg|95px]]

|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Tachyon|Tachyon]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Brother|Brother]]'''
|}
</center>

Needs some work, but maybe something like that on the [[AphidPedia]] if it's not already there. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Edits==

I just edited the daniel & jonas page to list the last appearance, i see on the recent changes list that people can like..put a little description of what they changed, i would like to know how to do that as well

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 00:20, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

There should be a comment box below the edit box. It says "Summary:" next to it. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 01:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

==Cleanup==
This page needs to be trimmed down. Anybody mind if I erase some of the old discussions? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:We could just archive them like at the top of the page -- move inactive discussions to [[Talk:Main Page/Archive up to March 2007]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:46, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

== Require login to edit LGPedia ==

I think that people should be required to reqister and login to LGpedia in order to make edits. Almost all the valndalism, and alot of bad edits, are by people wo are logged only bt there IP adress. People are less likely to register, just to vandelize the site. And anyone who seriously wants to contribute wouldn't be put off by the registration/login process._ [[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:08, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I see what you mean, but I think that requiring a login would discourage some people from editing. As it is, we need as much help as we can get. The vandalism is minimal right now, and this can also be helped by semi-protecting frequently vandalized pages, which has been done for some pages. I know when I first started editing, I did it with my IP address. I might not have gotten into it as much if I had had to create an account right off the bat.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:24, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

::Agreed with Jonpro. It's against the spirit of a wiki to block anonymous editors. And I'm of the opinion that they do more good than harm. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:27, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

:::I wholeheardtedly agree with Jay here. The positive contributions made my anonymous IP addresses is by far outweighing any scattered vandalism that comes as a by-product. For instance, as of late I've noticed many of the video pages have transcripts that were worked on by several anonymous users. I like it better when they login because that way I remember them and get to know them, but it's really their choice. Registered users, on the other hand, have also caused their fair share of vandalism, spamming and trolling in the past. We just do the best we can keeping things in order and blocking those who can't play nice. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:56, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think that the positive contributions made with anonymous IP addresses, could be from registerd users, who either forgot or just didn't bother to login. several of my posts are under my IP address, for that reason, and i had to go back and reedit them to get my identity attached to them. Plus I don't think having to login would be much of a deterrent, on the forums, everyone needs to be logged in to post, and i'm sure most the poeple who edit here post ofn the forum too. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:20, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

==Blogger Pics==

Does anyone think that its time we change Jonas & Bree's blog pics on the main page? Daniel's was changed fairly recently but i don't believe that Bree's or Jonas's has been in a while.
---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:I'm up for a change. Any suggestions for new pictures?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:24, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

::I'd just vote for more recent pictures. I think it's safe to say that Bree is never going back to that bedroom. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:27, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Well i can post a few pictures that i think would be the best for the main page of bree. but i have to upload them first.
--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:Hey Michiev,
:You don't necessarily have to upload any pictures. You can go through [[:Category:Images of Bree]], [[:Category:Images of Daniel|Images of Daniel]], and [[:Category:Images of Jonas|Images of Jonas]] to get some ideas from the pictures we already have. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanted to look through them.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:17, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
::My visual thoughts...
<center>
{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0146-JonasAtHisAunt'sHouse-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree Opt. 1]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree Opt. 2]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas Opt. 1]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas Opt. 2]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''New options for Bree and Jonas'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 17:04, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
</center>

<center>
{| align=center style="width:375px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-DanielAtTheParty.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty.jpg|125px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''Same height but wide-screen versions (I think Bree looks better in the centre, between the 2 boys - aesthetically, rather than alphabetically, ordered)'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 17:04, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
</center>
I like the pics you selelcted psmith andi like the wide-screen versions but i still think bree should be first. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:25, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, I like the pictures too. I have to say that I prefer the current size rather than the widescreen. I'm not sure why, they just look better to me. As far as Bree being in the middle, I like that idea. Even though she is (kind of) the main character, I don't see a reason why she would have to be first. In fact, being in the middle might emphasize her even more. And sorry Misty if I seem to be contradicting you recently--it's nothing personal of course.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:33, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
::One more table...
<center>
{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0160-DanielLaughing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''This also includes a new Daniel pic - width increased from 95 to 100 pixels - traditional 4:3 ratio and BDJ order'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:20, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
</center>

I like the last one the most. :) --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:Yeah, I like this last one too...I don't really like the idea of Bree being in the middle...

I gave more thought to this and one thing that I noticed bothered me about the tables above, is that the focal distance of the shots is different on each pic. With the pictures currently on the main page, they all have approximately the same focal distance, and relative head size. That gives the Table a sence of balance and symetry.
I think we should try to achieve that, in the new pictures as well. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 00:36, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

== Alex to migrate to main page? ==

I know this has already been debated, but I think that Alex should be moved to the Main Page very soon.
Some people have said she shouldn't because she's not a blogger like Bree, Daniel, Gemma and Jonas; I still consider her a main character. No one ever really said that all main characters have to be bloggers...

No i don't believe that she should, Because the main characters on the main page, are in all or most of the videos and shes not in that many, I think that it would just be safe to keep her in the supporting characters section, unless she becomes a character that should be put on the main page.

But thats my personal opinion.

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

Well, I say we should give it another two or three weeks, ''then'' decide.
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]
: In my opinion we should change the title from "Main Charcters" to "Bloggers" to try and avoid this confussion, because you can argue forever as to what constitutes a main character, as seen above in the "Gemma" section, with people thinking Bree's Parents should be in there. I think we should go down the route of simplicity and have it as bloggers, since these are the charcters we are connected to, since we see it through there point of view. Just my opinion. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:22, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:: in my opinion, there are no "bloggers" anymore. the "Blogs" have just become plot points, which are posted as episodes of the lonelygirl15 series, under the lonelygirl15 productions' account on revver and youtube-[[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:34, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:::It's true that they are not blogs in the traditional sense (hehe, it's funny using the word traditional about blogs, anyway back to my point) but I cannot think of a better word. Thinking about it "Episodes of the lonelygirl15 series" is all they ever have been, done in blog form or not. Anyway I think that Alex should not be there, and the title should be changed to Bloggers, since the Teen Angst Adventure Gang are still the only individuals who post videos (the order and all it's factions discounted) and they are the people who give us the plot, Aunt Alex is part of the plot but BDJ ''are'' the plot. Anyway just my opinions, apologies for the long and ramblingness of them. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:58, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think that if Alex is the topic of another post or two, then she should be added to the list of main characters.--[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 11:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

User:Malan89

2007-04-06T02:05:20Z

Malan89:

[[Image:Hustle And Flow Daniel Sleeping.JPG]]
Sleeping through Jonas' snores.

User talk:69.132.197.146

2007-04-05T12:30:05Z

Malan89:

This is the IP of [[User:Malan89|Malan89]]. He doesn't always think to login.

Lying Bastards

2007-04-05T12:28:50Z

Malan89: April 5th on the East Side, April 4th on the West Side. Creators on the West Side, so that's what you put down.

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| number = 0166
| image = Mmm...fish taco.JPG
| caption = There's no HO in Mexico...but there's one in the car!
| blogger = Daniel
| date = April 4th, 2007
| url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=222 lonelygirl15.com]
| description = We followed Alex down the coast and into Mexico. It looks like she has a vacation home here or something. I did some snooping and overheard some interesting (but really confusing) stuff.
| faction = The Resistance
| status = Public Video
| tags =


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| character = Bree
| actor = Jessica Lee Rose
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| character = Daniel
| actor = Yousef Abu-Taleb
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| character = Jonas
| actor = Jackson Davis
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| character = Alex
| actor = Bitsie Tulloch
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| Previous = Losing My Religion
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'''Lying Bastards''' is the one hundred sixty-sixth video in the lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]].

==Transcript==
''Today on LG15 the scoobies went down old Mexico way. (Please note that at the time of this bloggers post the LGpedia transcript was not up, please forgive any minor mistakes)

The three friends followed Alex's car south of the border until they arrived outside her holiday home.''

'''Daniel:''' We followed Alex down here, she's been staying in that house over there. We're trying to figure out what to do: I mean, we're not sure what she's doing but she's been holed up in there for a while. Other than that though, I kind of like Mexico. I mean its nice, the people are cool, they're very warm....

'''Jonas:''' ''(laughing)'' yeah... you like Mexico because you can legally drink, lush.

'''Daniel:''' Noooo... I like it because I like it...He's acting like it's a...

'''Jonas:''' Congratulations!

'''Daniel:''' What do you mean congrat...

'''Jonas:''' Its 9:30 in the morning man, thats a feat thats a major feat

'''Daniel:''' Whatever, dude.

'''Jonas :''' Mamasitas lock up your daughters, okay, 'coz Beast here is South of the border... not to put the ho in Mexico...

''(Daniel laughs in that "that was so wrong" snicker)''

'''Bree:''' There's no "ho" in Mexico.

''(Both boys look at her and then at each other)''

'''Bree:''' There's no "ho" in Mexico.

''(Daniel looks at the camera in a "Bree doesn't get what we are talking about" way)

Cut scene to Daniel standing in the street.''

'''Daniel:''' Wow big surprise. After talking all that trash Jonas decides to take Bree into town. Why? He thinks she should try a fish taco. What do I do though? Thats right I do something useful. I'm going to break into Alex's house. ''(laughs)'' Its all I know how to do really, I guess!

''After much scaling of walls and sneaking around on balconies Daniel was able to film Alex on the phone. It is hard to work out everything she is saying but here are a few things this blogger picked up...''

'''Alex: '''Yes...thats the problem... Oh, because--I do care because its a violation of free will and you know it... I thought you weren't going to do anything... because he's my nephew!...Ok.

''(Alex hangs up the phone, puts her head into her hands and appears to be crying) ''

==Notes==
*This is the first time Bree and the guys have been seen together since the kidnapping
*So Alex is clearly cross the scoobies had ice cream and spin art. Could she be a good guy after all?

Talk:Main Page

2007-03-26T01:25:54Z

Malan89: Featured Article

User:Malan89

2007-03-26T01:19:20Z

Malan89:

Let's get it on! Awwwwww yeah, Baby, lets get it on.....

[[Image:0154-DanielAndAuntAlexAtTheParty.jpg]]

I'm looking for a Sarah Conner.

[[Image:0159-BreePlayingFoosball.jpg]]

I robbed a 7-11 and THIS is all I got!

[[Image:Jonasslurpee.jpg]]

Read my lips: "Ooooooorder"

[[Image:Biglipgemma.JPG]]

User:Malan89

2007-03-26T01:18:36Z

Malan89: Updating user page.

Let's get it on!

[[Image:0154-DanielAndAuntAlexAtTheParty.jpg]]

I'm looking for a Sarah Conner.

[[Image:0159-BreePlayingFoosball.jpg]]

I robbed a 7-11 and THIS is all I got!

[[Image:Jonasslurpee.jpg]]

Read my lips: "Ooooooorder"

[[Image:Biglipgemma.JPG]]

User:Malan89

2007-03-26T01:12:09Z

Malan89:

I'm looking for a Sarah Conner.
[[Image:0159-BreePlayingFoosball.jpg]]

Talk:Vegas, Baby!

2007-03-24T20:39:18Z

Malan89:

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| style="background:white"|[[Image:0160-BreeBeingADorkInVegas.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0160-BreeCarryingJonas.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0160-DanielAfterEscaping.jpg|125px]]
|-
|}
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 20:19, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
</center>

but how did the order know they were in vegas? they didn't post a video that showed their location until AFTER the order found them....

:Yeah, but maybe the order knew where they were by the previous videos, and followed them. I didn't see anyone following them, and thought they were play-running. Also, the benny hill type music was a bit off putting [[User:Anto687|Anto]] 02:57, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

I read the Who Sees What? post on the forums, and I don't get it still. Is this like a personal transmission... or are all the other videos going to be personal transmissions that only BDJ can see? Plot twist overload! --[[User:SilverBULLETx3|SilverBULLETx3]] 10:33, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
:Well, some of the entries are diary-like entries, as though the charachter is just speaking to the camera. others are interaction between the characters that aren't able to be viewd by, say, the order. It's all meant to be taken as a given and true in the [[Breeniverse]], and not able to be viewed by everone in the world. [[User:Anto687|Anto]] 11:17, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

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{| align=center style="width:375px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:Bellagio_Sign.JPG|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Bellagio_Water_Show.JPG|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Bree_at_Bellagio.JPG|125px]]
|-
|}
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:39, 24 March 2007 (CDT)
</center>

File:Bellagio Sign.JPG

2007-03-24T20:37:22Z

Malan89: The sign in front of the Bellagio that is briefly shown as Bree, Daniel, and Jonas flee a watcher in Vegas, Baby.

The sign in front of the Bellagio that is briefly shown as Bree, Daniel, and Jonas flee a watcher in Vegas, Baby.

File:Bellagio Water Show.JPG

2007-03-24T20:36:32Z

Malan89: The Bellagio Water Show as seen in Vegas, Baby.

The Bellagio Water Show as seen in Vegas, Baby.

File:Bree at Bellagio.JPG

2007-03-24T20:34:18Z

Malan89: Bree standing in front of the Bellagio in Vegas, Baby.

Bree standing in front of the Bellagio in Vegas, Baby.

Talk:Main Page

2007-03-21T03:02:02Z

Malan89: oops, this is what i ment

Talk:Main Page

2007-03-20T02:45:46Z

Malan89:

''We've had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here. For now, only registered users can leave comments here. If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it's fast, easy, fun and free. Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User_talk:JayHenry|JayHenry]] or [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]].''

== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]

== New Main Page ==
I'm taking the new Main Page live over the next couple minutes. Hooray!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:05, 4 January 2007 (CST)
:And it's up! Yay!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:15, 4 January 2007 (CST)
::Nice! I fixed a couple minor errors I noticed. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

:::The new main page looks great! I'm very happy all of our hard work paid off. One thing I noticed... the latest developments column is a bit longer, which is invariably going to happen when we have longer video discriptions. However, it's way longer. Maybe we should take off one of the latest videos and add it to the list at the bottom ("Recent Videos"). For instance, we could take off [[Bree's Gone]] and add it to the list, to even it up a bit. I'd do it, but I wanted to make sure nobody objected. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

::::Hmm... strange. They line up just right in IE, but in Firefox, the latest developments column is a little bit longer (although only a tiny bit in my browser). That's the general idea behind the Main Page, to move videos into that Recent Video list once the page starts getting too long. By all means, Andy, go ahead and move Bree's Gone down.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:49, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== Further agreement on current style ==

Okay, so we like five video links at the bottom. How many recent vids with pics at the top? I liked four, but it was recently changed to three. Can we get a consensus? Also, what do people think about my editing down of the description to make a better fit? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:22, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:I like the shorter descriptions, if for no other reason than it allows us to keep an extra video on display. I don't think it's necessary for the descriptions to be the official video description. I only used the same variable name so that it could be quickly and easily copied from the video pages. Also, is that OpVid template tested and ready? If so we should add a usage note where it says how to add a new video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::I think it (OpVid) looks good, but I haven't heard any feedback yet. Should we post links to the new "Gemma?" videos, or treat them like old videos reposted?

::Actually, I feel like the creators are giving us a hard time. Every time we get things figured out, they throw us a curve ball like this. For instance, is [[The Unthinkable Happened]] a Bree or Daniel video? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:29, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::: it would be Daniel and Jonas --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:39, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::Actually, I think the craziness on Gemma's account is the perfect opportunity to use the event template. As for [[The Unthinkable Happened]], it's just a call we should make. My thoughts -- although it was posted to the lonelygirl15 account, it was Daniel who wrote the note and did the editing. Hence a Daniel video, and this should be explained in the notes to [[The Unthinkable Happened]]. I don't see any reason to label it a Jonas video as well. Although Jonas was in the video, he appears to have neither posted nor edited it. Besides, having a video from two people doesn't work with out Blog3 template. As for the op template, I thought I had commented (although I see now that i didn't) but I like it a lot and think we should use it.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:51, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::: I agree--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:58, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== Video column ==

I see Brucker made the change I was just thinking about. I'm aware that the Main Page displays differently in different browsers, but for me in IE or Firefox, having only three videos is always ''way'' too few. Before Brucker added the fourth video, there were about three inches of empty space. Is that fourth video making the video column too long in some browsers?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:Right now I see 4 latest developments (back to PMonkey returns) and 5 recent vids (all the way back to Roadtrip) and it fits perfectly in my crappy IE7. =)
 [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:03, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::You know the issue is probably less a matter of which browser than it is a matter of what monitor settings you use. The other night, I checked in here on a different computer and hardly recognized my personal page because the width was different. Maybe we need a "Best viewed at 1024x768" disclaimer?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:41, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Here's the problem with four videos... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/TheNunOwnedGoat/Screenshots/Mine/LGpedia_Error.jpg With three videos, the latest developments column is short, yes, but it matches up and there is just empty space. However, when the latest developments column is too long, it creats this ugly gray space (seems the bottom border is becoming too wide) to make up for it. If we want to keep four videos, then we need to get rid of that ugly gray space and make it match the color of the featured articles box. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 16:44, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::Wait, so right now the video page is doing this for you, Andy? Because for me there's over an inch of empty space at the bottom of the video column. That gray box at the bottom of your right column is interesting... I'll experiment on the old redesign page to see if I can fix that. I guess that'd be the best solution for everyone, right?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:08, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh, I see the same thing as Andy. I just hadn't noticed it until he pointed it out. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:14, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I think I fixed the problem with the gray space that Andy and OIC noticed. Please let me know if the problem is taken care of now. Just add a bunch of dummy text to the right column and hit "show preview" if you need to.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:06, 16 January 2007 (CST)

:::::::Yeah, I think it's fixed now. Basically, no matter how long I make the right-hand column, the left one matches it and there's no grayspace. Good work! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:25, 17 January 2007 (CST)

==Spam attack?==
This talk page has been hit a half dozen times by a spam bot. The bot will continue to edit this page. The only way to really stop it, is to protect the page. I hate to protect the Talk:Main Page, but I don't really know what else to do. The way the spam bot works is it always attacks the same page from a different IP address. If we protect this page, maybe we can create sort of an FAQ for where noobs can ask questions? And, of course, registered accounts can still ask questions here? Does that seem okay, or does anyone object to protecting this page?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:56, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:No Objection here--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 10:22, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::I was actually thinking we'd need to protect this when I reverted it. Of course I really hate to see the main page talk protected as thats where the shy/new unregistereds are most likely to post. I think we don't have a choice. Can we try protecting the page for a week and then reverting it back to unprotected? Will that even make a difference or will the spam bot still be hitting after a week? Either way.. I also affirm the move to registered users only for this page. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:36, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:::A link on the main page directing new users to a page where they can ask questions/post would probably be helpful. The spam bot might eventually pick up on it, but possibly not. --Zak (not registered) 11:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::::::::Yeah, I'd noticed this page was having problems, but two attacks in a row like that? I think that's reason enough to protect it... even if the newbies have to make an account to post on it. Could we maybe just put a header on top of this page inviting people (again) to create an account so they can post here? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:49, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== Vid pics ==

Is there a definite rule about the pictures that represent the videos on the main page, being the same as on their own page? Just wondering, 'cause someone posted a different one for the latest one... ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 22:34, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:No, there's no rule. And there's no rule that the Description has to (or even should be) the same as when they post the video. Generally, it's just been easier to use that boilerplate description and image.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::I think it's nice to have some variety, and also, certain pictures won't work as well in the smaller format. I think whoever decided on the different picture than I put on the transcript page made a good choice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:19, 31 January 2007 (CST)

== Gemma ==

Does anyone else think that maybe it's time to take Gemma off the list of bloggers on the main page? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:08, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:We discussed this somewhere ([[Talk: Gemma|found it]]), and I don't recall reaching a consensus. My argument was that while Gemma is not ''currently'' a main character, she has been a main character in the series overall. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:26, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:I suggest that we wait and see what happens in the next couple episodes. We're probably looking at the resolution of some of these loose threads. If she's confirmed as dead then I'd agree it's time to remove her. I'm not sure how to redesign the characters box though.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:38, 8 February 2007 (CST)
::That's easy enough, isn't it? Just remove her. Actually, I'd been considering altering the picture to have the text "R.I.P.?" in front of it.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:40, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::I dunno. If we remove her the other pictures will be awfully big for my tastes. Either that or we'll have a big chunk of white space. I tried it at the old redesign page: [[Main Page/redesign]]. But I think we're potentially looking at Tachyon or Brother or somebody becoming a main character... And that seems better, to add one of them ''if'', of course, the storyline merits. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:47, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:::Fiddled around with it. I'm not worried about bigger pictures ''or'' white space, or for that matter a solution somewhere in between. I think it all looks good. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:53, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::::Personally, I think the top one (with the bigger pictures) looks great, if we decide to take Gemma off. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:48, 9 February 2007 (CST)

:::::How does it look?--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:51, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::Sorry, Iris, but I don't think we agreed to take the picture off yet. I'm sorta thinking it might be necessary to enlarge OpAphid's presence on the Main Page. Perhaps incorporating OpAphid or Tachyon into the character boxes?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:::::I disagree with that, just because I feel we should keep OpAphid in a seperate part of the LGpedia (i.e. The [[AphidPedia]]). My reasoning for this is the fact that keeping up with OpAphid is supossedly not required to keep up with Lonelygirl15. For instance, I never hopped on the bandwagon and haven't tried to get caught up because it wasn't one of those things were you could just "hop in." Long story short, I doubt I'll be following OpAphid anytime soon, like many other users I'm sure, so from my viewpoint, it's best to keep the LGPedia focused on... well, LG. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:59, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::::sorry i got ahead of myself.Not a bad idea Jay..--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:50, 14 February 2007 (CST)

==OpAphid==
I think OpAphid needs more prominence given recent developments, but balk at the idea of incorporating the characters from that series into the lg15 info fully unless it becomes fully integrated. I know that we've all been surprised by how much the two story lines have recently overlapped, but my hope is that the Creators will make good on their promise to make OpAphid optional viewing. I watch them, but I honestly don't understand them. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:10, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I dont understand them also. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Furthermore, in response to what Jay said above, we face the problem of not having definitive pictures of either one of Op or Tachyon, and no picture at all of Brother. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

i got a idea, maybe use i picture from a video that says there name on it?
Like when tachyon plane landed, it said tachyon, see what im saying?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Newby links on main page ==

What do you think about putting links to The Story So Far and [[Lonelygirl15Recaps]] on the main page? Or the recaps as a featured article (though it would need some sprucing up first)? Coming to the main page of the lgpedia as a newby probably still feels overwhelming despite all the great improvements here as of late, unless i'm missing something myself. The LG15 recap vids now go thru Oct 30, which is the 1st 1/2 half of the videos. I only make this as a suggestion. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Daniel picture ==

Hi all, 
I know it's hard to get a screencap of Daniel. He's either behind the camera, or holding it two inches from his face. However, that hasn't deterred me from trying to find a better picture for his thumbnail on the main page. I looked through some videos and found good "photo ops" in [[Purple Monkey Returns]] and [[For The Ladies]]. The screencaps I got are below. They would still need to be cropped and tried out in [[Main page/redesign]]. However, I first wanted to get a sense of what pictures people liked best, and whether anyone thinks that they are more flattering than the current one. The thumbnails for my suggestions are below. If you know of any good pictures I didn't come up with, add them to the gallery for others to consider. Thanks! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:44, 18 February 2007 (CST)
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>

===Testing===
This is for checking the Daniel pics against the Bloggers table. I'm going to go ahead and say my vote's on Option 3 for the time being. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)
{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:GemmaChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Gemma|Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
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I've cropped two of the images for trying out in the table. There's '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest1_cropped.JPG|Option 1 cropped]]''' and '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|Option 3 cropped]]'''. I like both but I still think 3 is better. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:34, 20 February 2007 (CST)

I like the third, myself, and would love to see a different shot of danny on the front page. My only thought is to crop it to the same shape. See how it appears to have white bars on the other three pictures? Daniel sticks out like a sore thumb if you don't. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 00:45, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks for your input, Cartreuse =) I'll fix the cropping. As for the rest of you... does nobody care about Danny? Speak now or forever hold your peace... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:20, 25 February 2007 (CST)

::It's a good Daniel picture, I always wanted one of him smiling bigger, so that's much better. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:13, 26 February 2007 (CST)

:: I like option 3 as well --[[User: Michiev|Michiev]]

:: Any option we chose, the pic needs to be changed soon. The one we have up there now is very flattering or representative of Daniel. Option 3 seems to be the favorite and I like it too. But, with the possibility of Gemma coming off the "official" list soon (pending consensus), maybe we should wait on messing with the blogger pics. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:35, 6 March 2007 (CST)

==Image page==

I don't exactly know where else to ask this question, but before i found a page full of images used on the LG pedia. i cant seem to find that page again, If anyone could help me i would be really happy :D

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 12:08, 2 March 2007 (CST)

:[[:Category:Images]] is an index of all the different images we have available. For the most part they are sorted by character. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:18, 2 March 2007 (CST)

==Char. List/Gemma==

I switched the positions of Gemma and Jonas on the Char. List. It might have been alphabetical, sorry if I messed that up. I just think Jonas has surpassed Gemma in importance in the story, considering that his Dad was studing the Order. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, they were really (at least in my mind) in order of appearance, but some people have talked about taking Gemma out of that box completely. Personally, I liked it as it was before, but maybe we should revisit the issue. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 21:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::It's probably time to take Gemma out. Or at least make her image redirect to [[plot holes]]. I thought there'd be some resolution or fallout since her presumed death two months ago. I guess not. But she's definitely no longer a main character.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::It would make sense for them to be in order of appearance. But, I think Gemma is definitely not a main character anymore. Maybe we could have another link to her page and a link to plot holes somewhere in a different section. I guess we'll see how the vote going on a few lines north of here pans out. --[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 19:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::I'm expecting Alex to become a main character, and if so, I have uplodaed a [[:Image:AlexChar.jpg|picture of her]] in the proper format to replace Gemma, as she probably should. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 13:14, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I sure hope you're right. The first Alex vlog is going to be a momentous occasion if it happens. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:16, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I doubt Alex is going to start blogging. she's not exactly going to want to connect with us, gain our sympathy. but I think she should already be a main character, whether or not she's actually done a vlog. she's definitely more important right now than Gemma, and while she hasn't videotaped herself, she's had plenty of screentime. i think we should put her up now.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 02:12, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Maybe we've seen the last of Alex. Now that she's been exposed, she may never Appear on Camera again. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:48, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Did ya'll see the character box at the end of each character's page and the actor box at the end of each actors page? They both have Gemma/Jackie Jandrell as a minor character/actor in the story, with Bree, Daniel, and Jonas as the main characters and the actors who play them as major actors. The main page should reflect the entire wiki. I propose waiting to see if Alex becomes an official vlogger, then either taking the Gemma spot out entirely or switching her for Alex. It's become clear that Gemma is most likely dead and that even if she isn't, no new vids will come from Gemmers15. Let's end this once and for all and keep the main page current! [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

: I say we take Gemma out and replace her with the smaller picture option at [[Main Page/redesign]]. If Alex becomes more of a main character, we can add her. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I like the bigger option better, and I think that's a better pic of Daniel than what's on the main page now. But Gemma has to go, she hasn't been part of the story for nearly 4 months.[[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Since no one has made a comment supporting keeping Gemma on the page, I make motion that without objection within the next 24 hours, we declare that we have consensus in removing her. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:If everyone agrees that Gemma should be removed, then the table should be replaced with the small table proposed by JayHenry at [[Main Page/redesign]]. Please do not simply remove Gemma from the current table; use the new table. If you're not sure how to do it, let someone else take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I take that to be a technical point, not an objection. I wasn't suggesting that we leave a hole in the table, I was saying that we have consensus that whatever format table we use, should not include Gemma. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:36, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::: I suggest that we use the following box as it is the same width as the current box, with only a little increase in the height [[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:19, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|126px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

Looks good! Let's do it. But maybe you should change Main Characters to Current Bloggers. Similar to what's on the redesign. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:I think this table is much too large. When put on the Main Page the pictures will really jump out at you. A smaller table, like the one I pointed to in [[Main Page/redesign]] would be more appropriate. I'm adding the table I mentioned below this message. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:54, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Bloggers'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

Well I think we should leave it as Main Characters initially. Then if there is a consensus to changing it to Bloggers, we can change it afterwards. Of course Vloggers would be more accurate than Bloggers [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:Misty, I think you jumped the gun here. You proposed we wait 24 hours to hear others' opinions, and then you went and changed it 12 hours later. That shows less of a desire to create something everyone is happy with, and more so the urge to get Gemma out of there because you say so. I'm not going to revert it because I don't think Gemma will be missed that much on the table, but I just wanted to ask you to have a little more patience. It is, after all, just a wiki, not a time bomb. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:38, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually I jumped the gun accidently, I was playing around with the table in previews and I hit "save page" instead of "show preview". I thought about reverting it, but decided not to since we were going to make the change anyway. Today I made a very slight color change to it, to make it match the rest of the page a little better [[User:Misty|Misty]] 12:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm not sure why you changed those colors, the difference is almost imperceptible. I like the change to the background of "Full List of Characters" since it now matches the background of the column. However, I had to revert the changes to the background "Main Characters", "Bree", etc. because I didn't see the need to change from an official color to an almost identical (but slightly off) unofficial color. It's not your fault that you didn't know we had decided on a color scheme for the Main Page awhile back. I'm going to dig up that table and put it here for future reference. The color you put in was #0f4c95. The equivalent in our color scheme is #1E5DAA. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::: #0f4c95 is the color used it the top banner and the logo. If #1E5DAA is the official color, the top banner and logo should use it too. Personally I think its better to have everything match at an unofficial color, than to have somethings the unofficial color and others the official color [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:15, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::What gives you the impression that the banner is #0f4c95? I just checked the source code and the top banner actually uses #194B95 as the background color, which is neither of the colors you and I were talking about. I'm not sure why that discrepancy is there, but I didn't make the color scheme table, so I don't know how the colors were determined. (I think Brucker made it--correct me if I'm wrong). For now, I'm going to revert that last blue color you changed (in the Main Characters box), if anything to prevent yet another unofficial color from being in the mix. #1E5DAA may not be correct, but it's used elsewhere on the main page and at least this way we'll keep it uniform and we'll know what to replace if we decide to revise the color scheme. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:28, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: I got #0f4c95 by examining the rightmost edge of Leftcorner.png. It didn't occur to me to check the code for the banner, I just assumed it would be the same. But #194B95 and #0f4c95 are so close that you can't see the mismatch in the banner. however if you set the banner background to #1E5DAA it really doesn't match the corner pngs, as you will see below. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::::I see what you mean now. What I'll do is make #0f4c95 the "official" background color since that should be the best match (instead of what we have now, #1E5DAA), and fix the characters boxes. Thanks for investigating; it's good that we'll be able to standardize this once and for all (I hope). [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

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[[LGPedia:Welcome|Welcome]] to the '''[[LGPedia|LGPedia]]''', 
Your guide to the world of '''[[Lonelygirl15 (production)|Lonelygirl15]]''' that '''[[Help:Editing|anyone can edit]]'''. 
''Now working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles'' 
'''Warning:''' This wiki contains spoilers for the entire series.
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However, surely if we do go with Bloggers (which I think we should, with the divide between main and secondary charchters becoming much more ambiguous), surely Gemma should be there, she is a blogger in the series after all. Even if she no longer is blogging (vlogging, whatever) she deserves to be recognised for her part in the series. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 07:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

I bet now that Gemma has been taken off the mainpage that she will reappear in a video, just to mess it up again! [[User:SheriffOfNottingham|SheriffOfNottingham]] 13:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto! I wouldn't be surprised! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Color scheme==
For reference. I got this from [[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion]]. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT) 
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| style="background:#0F4C95"|
| style="background:white"|background (0F4C95)
|-
| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
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| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
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| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
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| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
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| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
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| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
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| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
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| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
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=Website font=
On the website banner and the little banner up in the corner, What font are they using for the Lonelygirl15 part? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

I've personally tried to identify it with little luck. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine who's a graphic designer...'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 12:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:I just talked to my friend, and the while we could not identify the font, we decided a couple things: (1) It looks a lot like [http://www.linotype.com/12802/serifa75black-font.html Serifa Black], although that doesn't seem to be it. (2) It looks like the 'g' is from another typeface entirely, since it doesn't really match the rest of the letters very well in a number of ways. This type of font is generally referred to as a "slab serif" style font, but I can't find a font of that type with the sort fo curl shown on the top of the 'r' and the bottom of the 'y'. I may do more research.'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::"[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ortizlopez/olegiziano-classic/black/index.html OL Egiziano Classic Black]" is a very close match, and may in fact be the font. I think it is something in the Egiziano font family at least. (BTW, as I suspected, it seems that "Egiziano" is Italian for "Egyptian". '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:::[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/giza/threefive/ Giza ThreeFive] is even closer, it even has the overhanging serif on the lowercase g (i.e. the lowercase g in Giza actually touches the i if you write "Lonelygirl15", as in the logo, while g and i are seperate in OLEgiziano).
:::Just for reference, dunno if this is still current.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:53, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

=Add to Main Page???=
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

<center>
{| align=center border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Tachyon and Brother'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Tachyon They Are Watching.gif|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Brother sidebar.jpg|95px]]

|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Tachyon|Tachyon]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Brother|Brother]]'''
|}
</center>

Needs some work, but maybe something like that on the [[AphidPedia]] if it's not already there. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Edits==

I just edited the daniel & jonas page to list the last appearance, i see on the recent changes list that people can like..put a little description of what they changed, i would like to know how to do that as well

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 00:20, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

There should be a comment box below the edit box. It says "Summary:" next to it. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 01:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

==Cleanup==
This page needs to be trimmed down. Anybody mind if I erase some of the old discussions? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-03-20T02:14:56Z

Malan89:

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== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]

== New Main Page ==
I'm taking the new Main Page live over the next couple minutes. Hooray!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:05, 4 January 2007 (CST)
:And it's up! Yay!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:15, 4 January 2007 (CST)
::Nice! I fixed a couple minor errors I noticed. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

:::The new main page looks great! I'm very happy all of our hard work paid off. One thing I noticed... the latest developments column is a bit longer, which is invariably going to happen when we have longer video discriptions. However, it's way longer. Maybe we should take off one of the latest videos and add it to the list at the bottom ("Recent Videos"). For instance, we could take off [[Bree's Gone]] and add it to the list, to even it up a bit. I'd do it, but I wanted to make sure nobody objected. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

::::Hmm... strange. They line up just right in IE, but in Firefox, the latest developments column is a little bit longer (although only a tiny bit in my browser). That's the general idea behind the Main Page, to move videos into that Recent Video list once the page starts getting too long. By all means, Andy, go ahead and move Bree's Gone down.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:49, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== Further agreement on current style ==

Okay, so we like five video links at the bottom. How many recent vids with pics at the top? I liked four, but it was recently changed to three. Can we get a consensus? Also, what do people think about my editing down of the description to make a better fit? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:22, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:I like the shorter descriptions, if for no other reason than it allows us to keep an extra video on display. I don't think it's necessary for the descriptions to be the official video description. I only used the same variable name so that it could be quickly and easily copied from the video pages. Also, is that OpVid template tested and ready? If so we should add a usage note where it says how to add a new video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::I think it (OpVid) looks good, but I haven't heard any feedback yet. Should we post links to the new "Gemma?" videos, or treat them like old videos reposted?

::Actually, I feel like the creators are giving us a hard time. Every time we get things figured out, they throw us a curve ball like this. For instance, is [[The Unthinkable Happened]] a Bree or Daniel video? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:29, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::: it would be Daniel and Jonas --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:39, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::Actually, I think the craziness on Gemma's account is the perfect opportunity to use the event template. As for [[The Unthinkable Happened]], it's just a call we should make. My thoughts -- although it was posted to the lonelygirl15 account, it was Daniel who wrote the note and did the editing. Hence a Daniel video, and this should be explained in the notes to [[The Unthinkable Happened]]. I don't see any reason to label it a Jonas video as well. Although Jonas was in the video, he appears to have neither posted nor edited it. Besides, having a video from two people doesn't work with out Blog3 template. As for the op template, I thought I had commented (although I see now that i didn't) but I like it a lot and think we should use it.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:51, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::: I agree--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:58, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== Video column ==

I see Brucker made the change I was just thinking about. I'm aware that the Main Page displays differently in different browsers, but for me in IE or Firefox, having only three videos is always ''way'' too few. Before Brucker added the fourth video, there were about three inches of empty space. Is that fourth video making the video column too long in some browsers?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:Right now I see 4 latest developments (back to PMonkey returns) and 5 recent vids (all the way back to Roadtrip) and it fits perfectly in my crappy IE7. =)
 [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:03, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::You know the issue is probably less a matter of which browser than it is a matter of what monitor settings you use. The other night, I checked in here on a different computer and hardly recognized my personal page because the width was different. Maybe we need a "Best viewed at 1024x768" disclaimer?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:41, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Here's the problem with four videos... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/TheNunOwnedGoat/Screenshots/Mine/LGpedia_Error.jpg With three videos, the latest developments column is short, yes, but it matches up and there is just empty space. However, when the latest developments column is too long, it creats this ugly gray space (seems the bottom border is becoming too wide) to make up for it. If we want to keep four videos, then we need to get rid of that ugly gray space and make it match the color of the featured articles box. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 16:44, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::Wait, so right now the video page is doing this for you, Andy? Because for me there's over an inch of empty space at the bottom of the video column. That gray box at the bottom of your right column is interesting... I'll experiment on the old redesign page to see if I can fix that. I guess that'd be the best solution for everyone, right?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:08, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh, I see the same thing as Andy. I just hadn't noticed it until he pointed it out. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:14, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I think I fixed the problem with the gray space that Andy and OIC noticed. Please let me know if the problem is taken care of now. Just add a bunch of dummy text to the right column and hit "show preview" if you need to.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:06, 16 January 2007 (CST)

:::::::Yeah, I think it's fixed now. Basically, no matter how long I make the right-hand column, the left one matches it and there's no grayspace. Good work! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:25, 17 January 2007 (CST)

==Spam attack?==
This talk page has been hit a half dozen times by a spam bot. The bot will continue to edit this page. The only way to really stop it, is to protect the page. I hate to protect the Talk:Main Page, but I don't really know what else to do. The way the spam bot works is it always attacks the same page from a different IP address. If we protect this page, maybe we can create sort of an FAQ for where noobs can ask questions? And, of course, registered accounts can still ask questions here? Does that seem okay, or does anyone object to protecting this page?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:56, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:No Objection here--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 10:22, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::I was actually thinking we'd need to protect this when I reverted it. Of course I really hate to see the main page talk protected as thats where the shy/new unregistereds are most likely to post. I think we don't have a choice. Can we try protecting the page for a week and then reverting it back to unprotected? Will that even make a difference or will the spam bot still be hitting after a week? Either way.. I also affirm the move to registered users only for this page. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:36, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:::A link on the main page directing new users to a page where they can ask questions/post would probably be helpful. The spam bot might eventually pick up on it, but possibly not. --Zak (not registered) 11:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::::::::Yeah, I'd noticed this page was having problems, but two attacks in a row like that? I think that's reason enough to protect it... even if the newbies have to make an account to post on it. Could we maybe just put a header on top of this page inviting people (again) to create an account so they can post here? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:49, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== Vid pics ==

Is there a definite rule about the pictures that represent the videos on the main page, being the same as on their own page? Just wondering, 'cause someone posted a different one for the latest one... ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 22:34, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:No, there's no rule. And there's no rule that the Description has to (or even should be) the same as when they post the video. Generally, it's just been easier to use that boilerplate description and image.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::I think it's nice to have some variety, and also, certain pictures won't work as well in the smaller format. I think whoever decided on the different picture than I put on the transcript page made a good choice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:19, 31 January 2007 (CST)

== Gemma ==

Does anyone else think that maybe it's time to take Gemma off the list of bloggers on the main page? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:08, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:We discussed this somewhere ([[Talk: Gemma|found it]]), and I don't recall reaching a consensus. My argument was that while Gemma is not ''currently'' a main character, she has been a main character in the series overall. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:26, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:I suggest that we wait and see what happens in the next couple episodes. We're probably looking at the resolution of some of these loose threads. If she's confirmed as dead then I'd agree it's time to remove her. I'm not sure how to redesign the characters box though.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:38, 8 February 2007 (CST)
::That's easy enough, isn't it? Just remove her. Actually, I'd been considering altering the picture to have the text "R.I.P.?" in front of it.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:40, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::I dunno. If we remove her the other pictures will be awfully big for my tastes. Either that or we'll have a big chunk of white space. I tried it at the old redesign page: [[Main Page/redesign]]. But I think we're potentially looking at Tachyon or Brother or somebody becoming a main character... And that seems better, to add one of them ''if'', of course, the storyline merits. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:47, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:::Fiddled around with it. I'm not worried about bigger pictures ''or'' white space, or for that matter a solution somewhere in between. I think it all looks good. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:53, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::::Personally, I think the top one (with the bigger pictures) looks great, if we decide to take Gemma off. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:48, 9 February 2007 (CST)

:::::How does it look?--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:51, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::Sorry, Iris, but I don't think we agreed to take the picture off yet. I'm sorta thinking it might be necessary to enlarge OpAphid's presence on the Main Page. Perhaps incorporating OpAphid or Tachyon into the character boxes?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:::::I disagree with that, just because I feel we should keep OpAphid in a seperate part of the LGpedia (i.e. The [[AphidPedia]]). My reasoning for this is the fact that keeping up with OpAphid is supossedly not required to keep up with Lonelygirl15. For instance, I never hopped on the bandwagon and haven't tried to get caught up because it wasn't one of those things were you could just "hop in." Long story short, I doubt I'll be following OpAphid anytime soon, like many other users I'm sure, so from my viewpoint, it's best to keep the LGPedia focused on... well, LG. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:59, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::::sorry i got ahead of myself.Not a bad idea Jay..--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:50, 14 February 2007 (CST)

==OpAphid==
I think OpAphid needs more prominence given recent developments, but balk at the idea of incorporating the characters from that series into the lg15 info fully unless it becomes fully integrated. I know that we've all been surprised by how much the two story lines have recently overlapped, but my hope is that the Creators will make good on their promise to make OpAphid optional viewing. I watch them, but I honestly don't understand them. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:10, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I dont understand them also. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Furthermore, in response to what Jay said above, we face the problem of not having definitive pictures of either one of Op or Tachyon, and no picture at all of Brother. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

i got a idea, maybe use i picture from a video that says there name on it?
Like when tachyon plane landed, it said tachyon, see what im saying?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Newby links on main page ==

What do you think about putting links to The Story So Far and [[Lonelygirl15Recaps]] on the main page? Or the recaps as a featured article (though it would need some sprucing up first)? Coming to the main page of the lgpedia as a newby probably still feels overwhelming despite all the great improvements here as of late, unless i'm missing something myself. The LG15 recap vids now go thru Oct 30, which is the 1st 1/2 half of the videos. I only make this as a suggestion. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Daniel picture ==

Hi all, 
I know it's hard to get a screencap of Daniel. He's either behind the camera, or holding it two inches from his face. However, that hasn't deterred me from trying to find a better picture for his thumbnail on the main page. I looked through some videos and found good "photo ops" in [[Purple Monkey Returns]] and [[For The Ladies]]. The screencaps I got are below. They would still need to be cropped and tried out in [[Main page/redesign]]. However, I first wanted to get a sense of what pictures people liked best, and whether anyone thinks that they are more flattering than the current one. The thumbnails for my suggestions are below. If you know of any good pictures I didn't come up with, add them to the gallery for others to consider. Thanks! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:44, 18 February 2007 (CST)
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>

===Testing===
This is for checking the Daniel pics against the Bloggers table. I'm going to go ahead and say my vote's on Option 3 for the time being. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)
{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:GemmaChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Gemma|Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

I've cropped two of the images for trying out in the table. There's '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest1_cropped.JPG|Option 1 cropped]]''' and '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|Option 3 cropped]]'''. I like both but I still think 3 is better. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:34, 20 February 2007 (CST)

I like the third, myself, and would love to see a different shot of danny on the front page. My only thought is to crop it to the same shape. See how it appears to have white bars on the other three pictures? Daniel sticks out like a sore thumb if you don't. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 00:45, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks for your input, Cartreuse =) I'll fix the cropping. As for the rest of you... does nobody care about Danny? Speak now or forever hold your peace... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:20, 25 February 2007 (CST)

::It's a good Daniel picture, I always wanted one of him smiling bigger, so that's much better. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:13, 26 February 2007 (CST)

:: I like option 3 as well --[[User: Michiev|Michiev]]

:: Any option we chose, the pic needs to be changed soon. The one we have up there now is very flattering or representative of Daniel. Option 3 seems to be the favorite and I like it too. But, with the possibility of Gemma coming off the "official" list soon (pending consensus), maybe we should wait on messing with the blogger pics. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:35, 6 March 2007 (CST)

==Image page==

I don't exactly know where else to ask this question, but before i found a page full of images used on the LG pedia. i cant seem to find that page again, If anyone could help me i would be really happy :D

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 12:08, 2 March 2007 (CST)

:[[:Category:Images]] is an index of all the different images we have available. For the most part they are sorted by character. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:18, 2 March 2007 (CST)

==Char. List/Gemma==

I switched the positions of Gemma and Jonas on the Char. List. It might have been alphabetical, sorry if I messed that up. I just think Jonas has surpassed Gemma in importance in the story, considering that his Dad was studing the Order. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, they were really (at least in my mind) in order of appearance, but some people have talked about taking Gemma out of that box completely. Personally, I liked it as it was before, but maybe we should revisit the issue. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 21:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::It's probably time to take Gemma out. Or at least make her image redirect to [[plot holes]]. I thought there'd be some resolution or fallout since her presumed death two months ago. I guess not. But she's definitely no longer a main character.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::It would make sense for them to be in order of appearance. But, I think Gemma is definitely not a main character anymore. Maybe we could have another link to her page and a link to plot holes somewhere in a different section. I guess we'll see how the vote going on a few lines north of here pans out. --[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 19:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::I'm expecting Alex to become a main character, and if so, I have uplodaed a [[:Image:AlexChar.jpg|picture of her]] in the proper format to replace Gemma, as she probably should. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 13:14, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I sure hope you're right. The first Alex vlog is going to be a momentous occasion if it happens. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:16, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I doubt Alex is going to start blogging. she's not exactly going to want to connect with us, gain our sympathy. but I think she should already be a main character, whether or not she's actually done a vlog. she's definitely more important right now than Gemma, and while she hasn't videotaped herself, she's had plenty of screentime. i think we should put her up now.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 02:12, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Maybe we've seen the last of Alex. Now that she's been exposed, she may never Appear on Camera again. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:48, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Did ya'll see the character box at the end of each character's page and the actor box at the end of each actors page? They both have Gemma/Jackie Jandrell as a minor character/actor in the story, with Bree, Daniel, and Jonas as the main characters and the actors who play them as major actors. The main page should reflect the entire wiki. I propose waiting to see if Alex becomes an official vlogger, then either taking the Gemma spot out entirely or switching her for Alex. It's become clear that Gemma is most likely dead and that even if she isn't, no new vids will come from Gemmers15. Let's end this once and for all and keep the main page current! [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

: I say we take Gemma out and replace her with the smaller picture option at [[Main Page/redesign]]. If Alex becomes more of a main character, we can add her. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I like the bigger option better, and I think that's a better pic of Daniel than what's on the main page now. But Gemma has to go, she hasn't been part of the story for nearly 4 months.[[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Since no one has made a comment supporting keeping Gemma on the page, I make motion that without objection within the next 24 hours, we declare that we have consensus in removing her. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:If everyone agrees that Gemma should be removed, then the table should be replaced with the small table proposed by JayHenry at [[Main Page/redesign]]. Please do not simply remove Gemma from the current table; use the new table. If you're not sure how to do it, let someone else take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I take that to be a technical point, not an objection. I wasn't suggesting that we leave a hole in the table, I was saying that we have consensus that whatever format table we use, should not include Gemma. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:36, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::: I suggest that we use the following box as it is the same width as the current box, with only a little increase in the height [[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:19, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|126px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

Looks good! Let's do it. But maybe you should change Main Characters to Current Bloggers. Similar to what's on the redesign. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:I think this table is much too large. When put on the Main Page the pictures will really jump out at you. A smaller table, like the one I pointed to in [[Main Page/redesign]] would be more appropriate. I'm adding the table I mentioned below this message. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:54, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Bloggers'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

Well I think we should leave it as Main Characters initially. Then if there is a consensus to changing it to Bloggers, we can change it afterwards. Of course Vloggers would be more accurate than Bloggers [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:Misty, I think you jumped the gun here. You proposed we wait 24 hours to hear others' opinions, and then you went and changed it 12 hours later. That shows less of a desire to create something everyone is happy with, and more so the urge to get Gemma out of there because you say so. I'm not going to revert it because I don't think Gemma will be missed that much on the table, but I just wanted to ask you to have a little more patience. It is, after all, just a wiki, not a time bomb. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:38, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually I jumped the gun accidently, I was playing around with the table in previews and I hit "save page" instead of "show preview". I thought about reverting it, but decided not to since we were going to make the change anyway. Today I made a very slight color change to it, to make it match the rest of the page a little better [[User:Misty|Misty]] 12:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm not sure why you changed those colors, the difference is almost imperceptible. I like the change to the background of "Full List of Characters" since it now matches the background of the column. However, I had to revert the changes to the background "Main Characters", "Bree", etc. because I didn't see the need to change from an official color to an almost identical (but slightly off) unofficial color. It's not your fault that you didn't know we had decided on a color scheme for the Main Page awhile back. I'm going to dig up that table and put it here for future reference. The color you put in was #0f4c95. The equivalent in our color scheme is #1E5DAA. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::: #0f4c95 is the color used it the top banner and the logo. If #1E5DAA is the official color, the top banner and logo should use it too. Personally I think its better to have everything match at an unofficial color, than to have somethings the unofficial color and others the official color [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:15, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::What gives you the impression that the banner is #0f4c95? I just checked the source code and the top banner actually uses #194B95 as the background color, which is neither of the colors you and I were talking about. I'm not sure why that discrepancy is there, but I didn't make the color scheme table, so I don't know how the colors were determined. (I think Brucker made it--correct me if I'm wrong). For now, I'm going to revert that last blue color you changed (in the Main Characters box), if anything to prevent yet another unofficial color from being in the mix. #1E5DAA may not be correct, but it's used elsewhere on the main page and at least this way we'll keep it uniform and we'll know what to replace if we decide to revise the color scheme. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:28, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: I got #0f4c95 by examining the rightmost edge of Leftcorner.png. It didn't occur to me to check the code for the banner, I just assumed it would be the same. But #194B95 and #0f4c95 are so close that you can't see the mismatch in the banner. however if you set the banner background to #1E5DAA it really doesn't match the corner pngs, as you will see below. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

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[[LGPedia:Welcome|Welcome]] to the '''[[LGPedia|LGPedia]]''', 
Your guide to the world of '''[[Lonelygirl15 (production)|Lonelygirl15]]''' that '''[[Help:Editing|anyone can edit]]'''. 
''Now working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles'' 
'''Warning:''' This wiki contains spoilers for the entire series.
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However, surely if we do go with Bloggers (which I think we should, with the divide between main and secondary charchters becoming much more ambiguous), surely Gemma should be there, she is a blogger in the series after all. Even if she no longer is blogging (vlogging, whatever) she deserves to be recognised for her part in the series. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 07:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

I bet now that Gemma has been taken off the mainpage that she will reappear in a video, just to mess it up again! [[User:SheriffOfNottingham|SheriffOfNottingham]] 13:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto! I wouldn't be surprised! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Do you guys think that Current Bloggers/Vloggers (i like bloggers, but whatever) would work as we it would only include BDJ but would not say that characters like Alex and Gemma aren't main characters (b/c they are) but it would specify who is producing the vids (BDJ)? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:14, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Color scheme==
For reference. I got this from [[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion]]. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT) 
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| style="background:white"|background (1E5DAA)
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| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
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| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
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| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
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| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
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| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
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| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
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| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
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| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
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| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
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=Website font=
On the website banner and the little banner up in the corner, What font are they using for the Lonelygirl15 part? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

I've personally tried to identify it with little luck. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine who's a graphic designer...'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 12:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:I just talked to my friend, and the while we could not identify the font, we decided a couple things: (1) It looks a lot like [http://www.linotype.com/12802/serifa75black-font.html Serifa Black], although that doesn't seem to be it. (2) It looks like the 'g' is from another typeface entirely, since it doesn't really match the rest of the letters very well in a number of ways. This type of font is generally referred to as a "slab serif" style font, but I can't find a font of that type with the sort fo curl shown on the top of the 'r' and the bottom of the 'y'. I may do more research.'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::"[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ortizlopez/olegiziano-classic/black/index.html OL Egiziano Classic Black]" is a very close match, and may in fact be the font. I think it is something in the Egiziano font family at least. (BTW, as I suspected, it seems that "Egiziano" is Italian for "Egyptian". '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:::[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/giza/threefive/ Giza ThreeFive] is even closer, it even has the overhanging serif on the lowercase g (i.e. the lowercase g in Giza actually touches the i if you write "Lonelygirl15", as in the logo, while g and i are seperate in OLEgiziano).
:::Just for reference, dunno if this is still current.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:53, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

=Add to Main Page???=
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

<center>
{| align=center border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Tachyon and Brother'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Tachyon They Are Watching.gif|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Brother sidebar.jpg|95px]]

|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Tachyon|Tachyon]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Brother|Brother]]'''
|}
</center>

Needs some work, but maybe something like that on the [[AphidPedia]] if it's not already there. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Edits==

I just edited the daniel & jonas page to list the last appearance, i see on the recent changes list that people can like..put a little description of what they changed, i would like to know how to do that as well

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 00:20, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

There should be a comment box below the edit box. It says "Summary:" next to it. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 01:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

==Cleanup==
This page needs to be trimmed down. Anybody mind if I erase some of the old discussions? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-03-19T02:09:17Z

Malan89: Adding idea to previous comment.

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== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]

== New Main Page ==
I'm taking the new Main Page live over the next couple minutes. Hooray!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:05, 4 January 2007 (CST)
:And it's up! Yay!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:15, 4 January 2007 (CST)
::Nice! I fixed a couple minor errors I noticed. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

:::The new main page looks great! I'm very happy all of our hard work paid off. One thing I noticed... the latest developments column is a bit longer, which is invariably going to happen when we have longer video discriptions. However, it's way longer. Maybe we should take off one of the latest videos and add it to the list at the bottom ("Recent Videos"). For instance, we could take off [[Bree's Gone]] and add it to the list, to even it up a bit. I'd do it, but I wanted to make sure nobody objected. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

::::Hmm... strange. They line up just right in IE, but in Firefox, the latest developments column is a little bit longer (although only a tiny bit in my browser). That's the general idea behind the Main Page, to move videos into that Recent Video list once the page starts getting too long. By all means, Andy, go ahead and move Bree's Gone down.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:49, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== Further agreement on current style ==

Okay, so we like five video links at the bottom. How many recent vids with pics at the top? I liked four, but it was recently changed to three. Can we get a consensus? Also, what do people think about my editing down of the description to make a better fit? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:22, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:I like the shorter descriptions, if for no other reason than it allows us to keep an extra video on display. I don't think it's necessary for the descriptions to be the official video description. I only used the same variable name so that it could be quickly and easily copied from the video pages. Also, is that OpVid template tested and ready? If so we should add a usage note where it says how to add a new video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::I think it (OpVid) looks good, but I haven't heard any feedback yet. Should we post links to the new "Gemma?" videos, or treat them like old videos reposted?

::Actually, I feel like the creators are giving us a hard time. Every time we get things figured out, they throw us a curve ball like this. For instance, is [[The Unthinkable Happened]] a Bree or Daniel video? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:29, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::: it would be Daniel and Jonas --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:39, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::Actually, I think the craziness on Gemma's account is the perfect opportunity to use the event template. As for [[The Unthinkable Happened]], it's just a call we should make. My thoughts -- although it was posted to the lonelygirl15 account, it was Daniel who wrote the note and did the editing. Hence a Daniel video, and this should be explained in the notes to [[The Unthinkable Happened]]. I don't see any reason to label it a Jonas video as well. Although Jonas was in the video, he appears to have neither posted nor edited it. Besides, having a video from two people doesn't work with out Blog3 template. As for the op template, I thought I had commented (although I see now that i didn't) but I like it a lot and think we should use it.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:51, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::: I agree--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:58, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== Video column ==

I see Brucker made the change I was just thinking about. I'm aware that the Main Page displays differently in different browsers, but for me in IE or Firefox, having only three videos is always ''way'' too few. Before Brucker added the fourth video, there were about three inches of empty space. Is that fourth video making the video column too long in some browsers?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:Right now I see 4 latest developments (back to PMonkey returns) and 5 recent vids (all the way back to Roadtrip) and it fits perfectly in my crappy IE7. =)
 [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:03, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::You know the issue is probably less a matter of which browser than it is a matter of what monitor settings you use. The other night, I checked in here on a different computer and hardly recognized my personal page because the width was different. Maybe we need a "Best viewed at 1024x768" disclaimer?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:41, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Here's the problem with four videos... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/TheNunOwnedGoat/Screenshots/Mine/LGpedia_Error.jpg With three videos, the latest developments column is short, yes, but it matches up and there is just empty space. However, when the latest developments column is too long, it creats this ugly gray space (seems the bottom border is becoming too wide) to make up for it. If we want to keep four videos, then we need to get rid of that ugly gray space and make it match the color of the featured articles box. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 16:44, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::Wait, so right now the video page is doing this for you, Andy? Because for me there's over an inch of empty space at the bottom of the video column. That gray box at the bottom of your right column is interesting... I'll experiment on the old redesign page to see if I can fix that. I guess that'd be the best solution for everyone, right?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:08, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh, I see the same thing as Andy. I just hadn't noticed it until he pointed it out. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:14, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I think I fixed the problem with the gray space that Andy and OIC noticed. Please let me know if the problem is taken care of now. Just add a bunch of dummy text to the right column and hit "show preview" if you need to.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:06, 16 January 2007 (CST)

:::::::Yeah, I think it's fixed now. Basically, no matter how long I make the right-hand column, the left one matches it and there's no grayspace. Good work! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:25, 17 January 2007 (CST)

==Spam attack?==
This talk page has been hit a half dozen times by a spam bot. The bot will continue to edit this page. The only way to really stop it, is to protect the page. I hate to protect the Talk:Main Page, but I don't really know what else to do. The way the spam bot works is it always attacks the same page from a different IP address. If we protect this page, maybe we can create sort of an FAQ for where noobs can ask questions? And, of course, registered accounts can still ask questions here? Does that seem okay, or does anyone object to protecting this page?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:56, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:No Objection here--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 10:22, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::I was actually thinking we'd need to protect this when I reverted it. Of course I really hate to see the main page talk protected as thats where the shy/new unregistereds are most likely to post. I think we don't have a choice. Can we try protecting the page for a week and then reverting it back to unprotected? Will that even make a difference or will the spam bot still be hitting after a week? Either way.. I also affirm the move to registered users only for this page. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:36, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:::A link on the main page directing new users to a page where they can ask questions/post would probably be helpful. The spam bot might eventually pick up on it, but possibly not. --Zak (not registered) 11:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::::::::Yeah, I'd noticed this page was having problems, but two attacks in a row like that? I think that's reason enough to protect it... even if the newbies have to make an account to post on it. Could we maybe just put a header on top of this page inviting people (again) to create an account so they can post here? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:49, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== Vid pics ==

Is there a definite rule about the pictures that represent the videos on the main page, being the same as on their own page? Just wondering, 'cause someone posted a different one for the latest one... ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 22:34, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:No, there's no rule. And there's no rule that the Description has to (or even should be) the same as when they post the video. Generally, it's just been easier to use that boilerplate description and image.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::I think it's nice to have some variety, and also, certain pictures won't work as well in the smaller format. I think whoever decided on the different picture than I put on the transcript page made a good choice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:19, 31 January 2007 (CST)

== Gemma ==

Does anyone else think that maybe it's time to take Gemma off the list of bloggers on the main page? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:08, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:We discussed this somewhere ([[Talk: Gemma|found it]]), and I don't recall reaching a consensus. My argument was that while Gemma is not ''currently'' a main character, she has been a main character in the series overall. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:26, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:I suggest that we wait and see what happens in the next couple episodes. We're probably looking at the resolution of some of these loose threads. If she's confirmed as dead then I'd agree it's time to remove her. I'm not sure how to redesign the characters box though.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:38, 8 February 2007 (CST)
::That's easy enough, isn't it? Just remove her. Actually, I'd been considering altering the picture to have the text "R.I.P.?" in front of it.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:40, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::I dunno. If we remove her the other pictures will be awfully big for my tastes. Either that or we'll have a big chunk of white space. I tried it at the old redesign page: [[Main Page/redesign]]. But I think we're potentially looking at Tachyon or Brother or somebody becoming a main character... And that seems better, to add one of them ''if'', of course, the storyline merits. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:47, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:::Fiddled around with it. I'm not worried about bigger pictures ''or'' white space, or for that matter a solution somewhere in between. I think it all looks good. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:53, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::::Personally, I think the top one (with the bigger pictures) looks great, if we decide to take Gemma off. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:48, 9 February 2007 (CST)

:::::How does it look?--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:51, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::Sorry, Iris, but I don't think we agreed to take the picture off yet. I'm sorta thinking it might be necessary to enlarge OpAphid's presence on the Main Page. Perhaps incorporating OpAphid or Tachyon into the character boxes?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:::::I disagree with that, just because I feel we should keep OpAphid in a seperate part of the LGpedia (i.e. The [[AphidPedia]]). My reasoning for this is the fact that keeping up with OpAphid is supossedly not required to keep up with Lonelygirl15. For instance, I never hopped on the bandwagon and haven't tried to get caught up because it wasn't one of those things were you could just "hop in." Long story short, I doubt I'll be following OpAphid anytime soon, like many other users I'm sure, so from my viewpoint, it's best to keep the LGPedia focused on... well, LG. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:59, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::::sorry i got ahead of myself.Not a bad idea Jay..--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:50, 14 February 2007 (CST)

==OpAphid==
I think OpAphid needs more prominence given recent developments, but balk at the idea of incorporating the characters from that series into the lg15 info fully unless it becomes fully integrated. I know that we've all been surprised by how much the two story lines have recently overlapped, but my hope is that the Creators will make good on their promise to make OpAphid optional viewing. I watch them, but I honestly don't understand them. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:10, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I dont understand them also. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Furthermore, in response to what Jay said above, we face the problem of not having definitive pictures of either one of Op or Tachyon, and no picture at all of Brother. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

i got a idea, maybe use i picture from a video that says there name on it?
Like when tachyon plane landed, it said tachyon, see what im saying?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Newby links on main page ==

What do you think about putting links to The Story So Far and [[Lonelygirl15Recaps]] on the main page? Or the recaps as a featured article (though it would need some sprucing up first)? Coming to the main page of the lgpedia as a newby probably still feels overwhelming despite all the great improvements here as of late, unless i'm missing something myself. The LG15 recap vids now go thru Oct 30, which is the 1st 1/2 half of the videos. I only make this as a suggestion. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Daniel picture ==

Hi all, 
I know it's hard to get a screencap of Daniel. He's either behind the camera, or holding it two inches from his face. However, that hasn't deterred me from trying to find a better picture for his thumbnail on the main page. I looked through some videos and found good "photo ops" in [[Purple Monkey Returns]] and [[For The Ladies]]. The screencaps I got are below. They would still need to be cropped and tried out in [[Main page/redesign]]. However, I first wanted to get a sense of what pictures people liked best, and whether anyone thinks that they are more flattering than the current one. The thumbnails for my suggestions are below. If you know of any good pictures I didn't come up with, add them to the gallery for others to consider. Thanks! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:44, 18 February 2007 (CST)
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>

===Testing===
This is for checking the Daniel pics against the Bloggers table. I'm going to go ahead and say my vote's on Option 3 for the time being. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)
{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:GemmaChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
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|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Gemma|Gemma]]'''
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I've cropped two of the images for trying out in the table. There's '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest1_cropped.JPG|Option 1 cropped]]''' and '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|Option 3 cropped]]'''. I like both but I still think 3 is better. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:34, 20 February 2007 (CST)

I like the third, myself, and would love to see a different shot of danny on the front page. My only thought is to crop it to the same shape. See how it appears to have white bars on the other three pictures? Daniel sticks out like a sore thumb if you don't. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 00:45, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks for your input, Cartreuse =) I'll fix the cropping. As for the rest of you... does nobody care about Danny? Speak now or forever hold your peace... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:20, 25 February 2007 (CST)

::It's a good Daniel picture, I always wanted one of him smiling bigger, so that's much better. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:13, 26 February 2007 (CST)

:: I like option 3 as well --[[User: Michiev|Michiev]]

:: Any option we chose, the pic needs to be changed soon. The one we have up there now is very flattering or representative of Daniel. Option 3 seems to be the favorite and I like it too. But, with the possibility of Gemma coming off the "official" list soon (pending consensus), maybe we should wait on messing with the blogger pics. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:35, 6 March 2007 (CST)

==Image page==

I don't exactly know where else to ask this question, but before i found a page full of images used on the LG pedia. i cant seem to find that page again, If anyone could help me i would be really happy :D

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 12:08, 2 March 2007 (CST)

:[[:Category:Images]] is an index of all the different images we have available. For the most part they are sorted by character. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:18, 2 March 2007 (CST)

==Char. List/Gemma==

I switched the positions of Gemma and Jonas on the Char. List. It might have been alphabetical, sorry if I messed that up. I just think Jonas has surpassed Gemma in importance in the story, considering that his Dad was studing the Order. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, they were really (at least in my mind) in order of appearance, but some people have talked about taking Gemma out of that box completely. Personally, I liked it as it was before, but maybe we should revisit the issue. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 21:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::It's probably time to take Gemma out. Or at least make her image redirect to [[plot holes]]. I thought there'd be some resolution or fallout since her presumed death two months ago. I guess not. But she's definitely no longer a main character.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::It would make sense for them to be in order of appearance. But, I think Gemma is definitely not a main character anymore. Maybe we could have another link to her page and a link to plot holes somewhere in a different section. I guess we'll see how the vote going on a few lines north of here pans out. --[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 19:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::I'm expecting Alex to become a main character, and if so, I have uplodaed a [[:Image:AlexChar.jpg|picture of her]] in the proper format to replace Gemma, as she probably should. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 13:14, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I sure hope you're right. The first Alex vlog is going to be a momentous occasion if it happens. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:16, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Did ya'll see the character box at the end of each character's page and the actor box at the end of each actors page? They both have Gemma/Jackie Jandrell as a minor character/actor in the story, with Bree, Daniel, and Jonas as the main characters and the actors who play them as major actors. The main page should reflect the entire wiki. I propose waiting to see if Alex becomes an official vlogger, then either taking the Gemma spot out entirely or switching her for Alex. It's become clear that Gemma is most likely dead and that even if she isn't, no new vids will come from Gemmers15. Let's end this once and for all and keep the main page current! [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

: I say we take Gemma out and replace her with the smaller picture option at [[Main Page/redesign]]. If Alex becomes more of a main character, we can add her. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I like the bigger option better, and I think that's a better pic of Daniel than what's on the main page now. But Gemma has to go, she hasn't been part of the story for nearly 4 months.[[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Since no one has made a comment supporting keeping Gemma on the page, I make motion that without objection within the next 24 hours, we declare that we have consensus in removing her. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:If everyone agrees that Gemma should be removed, then the table should be replaced with the small table proposed by JayHenry at [[Main Page/redesign]]. Please do not simply remove Gemma from the current table; use the new table. If you're not sure how to do it, let someone else take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I take that to be a technical point, not an objection. I wasn't suggesting that we leave a hole in the table, I was saying that we have consensus that whatever format table we use, should not include Gemma. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:36, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::: I suggest that we use the following box as it is the same width as the current box, with only a little increase in the height [[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:19, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|126px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

Looks good! Let's do it. But maybe you should change Main Characters to Current Bloggers. Similar to what's on the redesign. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

=Website font=
On the website banner and the little banner up in the corner, What font are they using for the Lonelygirl15 part? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

I've personally tried to identify it with little luck. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine who's a graphic designer...'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 12:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:I just talked to my friend, and the while we could not identify the font, we decided a couple things: (1) It looks a lot like [http://www.linotype.com/12802/serifa75black-font.html Serifa Black], although that doesn't seem to be it. (2) It looks like the 'g' is from another typeface entirely, since it doesn't really match the rest of the letters very well in a number of ways. This type of font is generally referred to as a "slab serif" style font, but I can't find a font of that type with the sort fo curl shown on the top of the 'r' and the bottom of the 'y'. I may do more research.'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::"[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ortizlopez/olegiziano-classic/black/index.html OL Egiziano Classic Black]" is a very close match, and may in fact be the font. I think it is something in the Egiziano font family at least. (BTW, as I suspected, it seems that "Egiziano" is Italian for "Egyptian". '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

=Add to Main Page???=
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

<center>
{| align=center border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Tachyon and Brother'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Tachyon They Are Watching.gif|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Brother sidebar.jpg|95px]]

|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Tachyon|Tachyon]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Brother|Brother]]'''
|}
</center>

Needs some work, but maybe something like that on the [[AphidPedia]] if it's not already there. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Edits==

I just edited the daniel & jonas page to list the last appearance, i see on the recent changes list that people can like..put a little description of what they changed, i would like to know how to do that as well

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 00:20, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

There should be a comment box below the edit box. It says "Summary:" next to it. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 01:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-03-19T02:02:14Z

Malan89: Looks good.

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== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]

== New Main Page ==
I'm taking the new Main Page live over the next couple minutes. Hooray!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:05, 4 January 2007 (CST)
:And it's up! Yay!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:15, 4 January 2007 (CST)
::Nice! I fixed a couple minor errors I noticed. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

:::The new main page looks great! I'm very happy all of our hard work paid off. One thing I noticed... the latest developments column is a bit longer, which is invariably going to happen when we have longer video discriptions. However, it's way longer. Maybe we should take off one of the latest videos and add it to the list at the bottom ("Recent Videos"). For instance, we could take off [[Bree's Gone]] and add it to the list, to even it up a bit. I'd do it, but I wanted to make sure nobody objected. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

::::Hmm... strange. They line up just right in IE, but in Firefox, the latest developments column is a little bit longer (although only a tiny bit in my browser). That's the general idea behind the Main Page, to move videos into that Recent Video list once the page starts getting too long. By all means, Andy, go ahead and move Bree's Gone down.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:49, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== Further agreement on current style ==

Okay, so we like five video links at the bottom. How many recent vids with pics at the top? I liked four, but it was recently changed to three. Can we get a consensus? Also, what do people think about my editing down of the description to make a better fit? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:22, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:I like the shorter descriptions, if for no other reason than it allows us to keep an extra video on display. I don't think it's necessary for the descriptions to be the official video description. I only used the same variable name so that it could be quickly and easily copied from the video pages. Also, is that OpVid template tested and ready? If so we should add a usage note where it says how to add a new video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::I think it (OpVid) looks good, but I haven't heard any feedback yet. Should we post links to the new "Gemma?" videos, or treat them like old videos reposted?

::Actually, I feel like the creators are giving us a hard time. Every time we get things figured out, they throw us a curve ball like this. For instance, is [[The Unthinkable Happened]] a Bree or Daniel video? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:29, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::: it would be Daniel and Jonas --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:39, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::Actually, I think the craziness on Gemma's account is the perfect opportunity to use the event template. As for [[The Unthinkable Happened]], it's just a call we should make. My thoughts -- although it was posted to the lonelygirl15 account, it was Daniel who wrote the note and did the editing. Hence a Daniel video, and this should be explained in the notes to [[The Unthinkable Happened]]. I don't see any reason to label it a Jonas video as well. Although Jonas was in the video, he appears to have neither posted nor edited it. Besides, having a video from two people doesn't work with out Blog3 template. As for the op template, I thought I had commented (although I see now that i didn't) but I like it a lot and think we should use it.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:51, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::: I agree--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:58, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== Video column ==

I see Brucker made the change I was just thinking about. I'm aware that the Main Page displays differently in different browsers, but for me in IE or Firefox, having only three videos is always ''way'' too few. Before Brucker added the fourth video, there were about three inches of empty space. Is that fourth video making the video column too long in some browsers?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:Right now I see 4 latest developments (back to PMonkey returns) and 5 recent vids (all the way back to Roadtrip) and it fits perfectly in my crappy IE7. =)
 [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:03, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::You know the issue is probably less a matter of which browser than it is a matter of what monitor settings you use. The other night, I checked in here on a different computer and hardly recognized my personal page because the width was different. Maybe we need a "Best viewed at 1024x768" disclaimer?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:41, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Here's the problem with four videos... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/TheNunOwnedGoat/Screenshots/Mine/LGpedia_Error.jpg With three videos, the latest developments column is short, yes, but it matches up and there is just empty space. However, when the latest developments column is too long, it creats this ugly gray space (seems the bottom border is becoming too wide) to make up for it. If we want to keep four videos, then we need to get rid of that ugly gray space and make it match the color of the featured articles box. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 16:44, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::Wait, so right now the video page is doing this for you, Andy? Because for me there's over an inch of empty space at the bottom of the video column. That gray box at the bottom of your right column is interesting... I'll experiment on the old redesign page to see if I can fix that. I guess that'd be the best solution for everyone, right?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:08, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh, I see the same thing as Andy. I just hadn't noticed it until he pointed it out. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:14, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I think I fixed the problem with the gray space that Andy and OIC noticed. Please let me know if the problem is taken care of now. Just add a bunch of dummy text to the right column and hit "show preview" if you need to.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:06, 16 January 2007 (CST)

:::::::Yeah, I think it's fixed now. Basically, no matter how long I make the right-hand column, the left one matches it and there's no grayspace. Good work! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:25, 17 January 2007 (CST)

==Spam attack?==
This talk page has been hit a half dozen times by a spam bot. The bot will continue to edit this page. The only way to really stop it, is to protect the page. I hate to protect the Talk:Main Page, but I don't really know what else to do. The way the spam bot works is it always attacks the same page from a different IP address. If we protect this page, maybe we can create sort of an FAQ for where noobs can ask questions? And, of course, registered accounts can still ask questions here? Does that seem okay, or does anyone object to protecting this page?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:56, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:No Objection here--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 10:22, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::I was actually thinking we'd need to protect this when I reverted it. Of course I really hate to see the main page talk protected as thats where the shy/new unregistereds are most likely to post. I think we don't have a choice. Can we try protecting the page for a week and then reverting it back to unprotected? Will that even make a difference or will the spam bot still be hitting after a week? Either way.. I also affirm the move to registered users only for this page. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:36, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:::A link on the main page directing new users to a page where they can ask questions/post would probably be helpful. The spam bot might eventually pick up on it, but possibly not. --Zak (not registered) 11:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::::::::Yeah, I'd noticed this page was having problems, but two attacks in a row like that? I think that's reason enough to protect it... even if the newbies have to make an account to post on it. Could we maybe just put a header on top of this page inviting people (again) to create an account so they can post here? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:49, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== Vid pics ==

Is there a definite rule about the pictures that represent the videos on the main page, being the same as on their own page? Just wondering, 'cause someone posted a different one for the latest one... ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 22:34, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:No, there's no rule. And there's no rule that the Description has to (or even should be) the same as when they post the video. Generally, it's just been easier to use that boilerplate description and image.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::I think it's nice to have some variety, and also, certain pictures won't work as well in the smaller format. I think whoever decided on the different picture than I put on the transcript page made a good choice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:19, 31 January 2007 (CST)

== Gemma ==

Does anyone else think that maybe it's time to take Gemma off the list of bloggers on the main page? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:08, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:We discussed this somewhere ([[Talk: Gemma|found it]]), and I don't recall reaching a consensus. My argument was that while Gemma is not ''currently'' a main character, she has been a main character in the series overall. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:26, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:I suggest that we wait and see what happens in the next couple episodes. We're probably looking at the resolution of some of these loose threads. If she's confirmed as dead then I'd agree it's time to remove her. I'm not sure how to redesign the characters box though.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:38, 8 February 2007 (CST)
::That's easy enough, isn't it? Just remove her. Actually, I'd been considering altering the picture to have the text "R.I.P.?" in front of it.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:40, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::I dunno. If we remove her the other pictures will be awfully big for my tastes. Either that or we'll have a big chunk of white space. I tried it at the old redesign page: [[Main Page/redesign]]. But I think we're potentially looking at Tachyon or Brother or somebody becoming a main character... And that seems better, to add one of them ''if'', of course, the storyline merits. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:47, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:::Fiddled around with it. I'm not worried about bigger pictures ''or'' white space, or for that matter a solution somewhere in between. I think it all looks good. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:53, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::::Personally, I think the top one (with the bigger pictures) looks great, if we decide to take Gemma off. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:48, 9 February 2007 (CST)

:::::How does it look?--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:51, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::Sorry, Iris, but I don't think we agreed to take the picture off yet. I'm sorta thinking it might be necessary to enlarge OpAphid's presence on the Main Page. Perhaps incorporating OpAphid or Tachyon into the character boxes?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:::::I disagree with that, just because I feel we should keep OpAphid in a seperate part of the LGpedia (i.e. The [[AphidPedia]]). My reasoning for this is the fact that keeping up with OpAphid is supossedly not required to keep up with Lonelygirl15. For instance, I never hopped on the bandwagon and haven't tried to get caught up because it wasn't one of those things were you could just "hop in." Long story short, I doubt I'll be following OpAphid anytime soon, like many other users I'm sure, so from my viewpoint, it's best to keep the LGPedia focused on... well, LG. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:59, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::::sorry i got ahead of myself.Not a bad idea Jay..--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:50, 14 February 2007 (CST)

==OpAphid==
I think OpAphid needs more prominence given recent developments, but balk at the idea of incorporating the characters from that series into the lg15 info fully unless it becomes fully integrated. I know that we've all been surprised by how much the two story lines have recently overlapped, but my hope is that the Creators will make good on their promise to make OpAphid optional viewing. I watch them, but I honestly don't understand them. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:10, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I dont understand them also. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Furthermore, in response to what Jay said above, we face the problem of not having definitive pictures of either one of Op or Tachyon, and no picture at all of Brother. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

i got a idea, maybe use i picture from a video that says there name on it?
Like when tachyon plane landed, it said tachyon, see what im saying?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Newby links on main page ==

What do you think about putting links to The Story So Far and [[Lonelygirl15Recaps]] on the main page? Or the recaps as a featured article (though it would need some sprucing up first)? Coming to the main page of the lgpedia as a newby probably still feels overwhelming despite all the great improvements here as of late, unless i'm missing something myself. The LG15 recap vids now go thru Oct 30, which is the 1st 1/2 half of the videos. I only make this as a suggestion. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Daniel picture ==

Hi all, 
I know it's hard to get a screencap of Daniel. He's either behind the camera, or holding it two inches from his face. However, that hasn't deterred me from trying to find a better picture for his thumbnail on the main page. I looked through some videos and found good "photo ops" in [[Purple Monkey Returns]] and [[For The Ladies]]. The screencaps I got are below. They would still need to be cropped and tried out in [[Main page/redesign]]. However, I first wanted to get a sense of what pictures people liked best, and whether anyone thinks that they are more flattering than the current one. The thumbnails for my suggestions are below. If you know of any good pictures I didn't come up with, add them to the gallery for others to consider. Thanks! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:44, 18 February 2007 (CST)
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>

===Testing===
This is for checking the Daniel pics against the Bloggers table. I'm going to go ahead and say my vote's on Option 3 for the time being. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)
{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:GemmaChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Gemma|Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

I've cropped two of the images for trying out in the table. There's '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest1_cropped.JPG|Option 1 cropped]]''' and '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|Option 3 cropped]]'''. I like both but I still think 3 is better. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:34, 20 February 2007 (CST)

I like the third, myself, and would love to see a different shot of danny on the front page. My only thought is to crop it to the same shape. See how it appears to have white bars on the other three pictures? Daniel sticks out like a sore thumb if you don't. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 00:45, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks for your input, Cartreuse =) I'll fix the cropping. As for the rest of you... does nobody care about Danny? Speak now or forever hold your peace... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:20, 25 February 2007 (CST)

::It's a good Daniel picture, I always wanted one of him smiling bigger, so that's much better. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:13, 26 February 2007 (CST)

:: I like option 3 as well --[[User: Michiev|Michiev]]

:: Any option we chose, the pic needs to be changed soon. The one we have up there now is very flattering or representative of Daniel. Option 3 seems to be the favorite and I like it too. But, with the possibility of Gemma coming off the "official" list soon (pending consensus), maybe we should wait on messing with the blogger pics. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:35, 6 March 2007 (CST)

==Image page==

I don't exactly know where else to ask this question, but before i found a page full of images used on the LG pedia. i cant seem to find that page again, If anyone could help me i would be really happy :D

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 12:08, 2 March 2007 (CST)

:[[:Category:Images]] is an index of all the different images we have available. For the most part they are sorted by character. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:18, 2 March 2007 (CST)

==Char. List/Gemma==

I switched the positions of Gemma and Jonas on the Char. List. It might have been alphabetical, sorry if I messed that up. I just think Jonas has surpassed Gemma in importance in the story, considering that his Dad was studing the Order. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, they were really (at least in my mind) in order of appearance, but some people have talked about taking Gemma out of that box completely. Personally, I liked it as it was before, but maybe we should revisit the issue. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 21:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::It's probably time to take Gemma out. Or at least make her image redirect to [[plot holes]]. I thought there'd be some resolution or fallout since her presumed death two months ago. I guess not. But she's definitely no longer a main character.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::It would make sense for them to be in order of appearance. But, I think Gemma is definitely not a main character anymore. Maybe we could have another link to her page and a link to plot holes somewhere in a different section. I guess we'll see how the vote going on a few lines north of here pans out. --[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 19:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::I'm expecting Alex to become a main character, and if so, I have uplodaed a [[:Image:AlexChar.jpg|picture of her]] in the proper format to replace Gemma, as she probably should. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 13:14, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I sure hope you're right. The first Alex vlog is going to be a momentous occasion if it happens. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:16, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Did ya'll see the character box at the end of each character's page and the actor box at the end of each actors page? They both have Gemma/Jackie Jandrell as a minor character/actor in the story, with Bree, Daniel, and Jonas as the main characters and the actors who play them as major actors. The main page should reflect the entire wiki. I propose waiting to see if Alex becomes an official vlogger, then either taking the Gemma spot out entirely or switching her for Alex. It's become clear that Gemma is most likely dead and that even if she isn't, no new vids will come from Gemmers15. Let's end this once and for all and keep the main page current! [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

: I say we take Gemma out and replace her with the smaller picture option at [[Main Page/redesign]]. If Alex becomes more of a main character, we can add her. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I like the bigger option better, and I think that's a better pic of Daniel than what's on the main page now. But Gemma has to go, she hasn't been part of the story for nearly 4 months.[[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Since no one has made a comment supporting keeping Gemma on the page, I make motion that without objection within the next 24 hours, we declare that we have consensus in removing her. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:If everyone agrees that Gemma should be removed, then the table should be replaced with the small table proposed by JayHenry at [[Main Page/redesign]]. Please do not simply remove Gemma from the current table; use the new table. If you're not sure how to do it, let someone else take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I take that to be a technical point, not an objection. I wasn't suggesting that we leave a hole in the table, I was saying that we have consensus that whatever format table we use, should not include Gemma. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:36, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::: I suggest that we use the following box as it is the same width as the current box, with only a little increase in the height [[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:19, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|126px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

Looks good! Let's do it. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

=Website font=
On the website banner and the little banner up in the corner, What font are they using for the Lonelygirl15 part? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

I've personally tried to identify it with little luck. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine who's a graphic designer...'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 12:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:I just talked to my friend, and the while we could not identify the font, we decided a couple things: (1) It looks a lot like [http://www.linotype.com/12802/serifa75black-font.html Serifa Black], although that doesn't seem to be it. (2) It looks like the 'g' is from another typeface entirely, since it doesn't really match the rest of the letters very well in a number of ways. This type of font is generally referred to as a "slab serif" style font, but I can't find a font of that type with the sort fo curl shown on the top of the 'r' and the bottom of the 'y'. I may do more research.'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::"[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ortizlopez/olegiziano-classic/black/index.html OL Egiziano Classic Black]" is a very close match, and may in fact be the font. I think it is something in the Egiziano font family at least. (BTW, as I suspected, it seems that "Egiziano" is Italian for "Egyptian". '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

=Add to Main Page???=
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

<center>
{| align=center border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Tachyon and Brother'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Tachyon They Are Watching.gif|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Brother sidebar.jpg|95px]]

|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Tachyon|Tachyon]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Brother|Brother]]'''
|}
</center>

Needs some work, but maybe something like that on the [[AphidPedia]] if it's not already there. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Edits==

I just edited the daniel & jonas page to list the last appearance, i see on the recent changes list that people can like..put a little description of what they changed, i would like to know how to do that as well

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 00:20, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

There should be a comment box below the edit box. It says "Summary:" next to it. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 01:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Malan89

2007-03-18T22:50:57Z

Malan89:

User talk:OwenIsCool

2007-03-18T22:49:58Z

Malan89:

==SORRY AND THANK YOU==
I shouldn't have messed with the AphidPedia page. My bad. Newbieitis. I think I'll just stick to fixing minor errors until I get a little more familiar. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 18:25, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

== Hey Owen ==

Thanks for all the good edits. It's always refreshing to have another good editor on the LGpedia. Big thanks for the heads up about the [[Phorum 3]] -- so weird that such a random page would get hit.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:20, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Thanks for your help on the vandalism stuff. To tell you the truth, when I see spam vandalism by an unregistered user, I check their contribution history, and if it's the first time they've put in an edit, I assume it's probably a post-and-run spammer who won't be back and don't bother giving them a warning. I don't think anything's likely to happen beyond a warning unless they are a repeat offender. If they are a genuine troublemaker, they'd probably get blocked from editing. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:39, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Thanks for the compliment Owen i appreciate it :D. I just happened to notice that this music listing was created here in the LGpedia so i thought i would give it a shot. It took me a second to understand the coding format deal (which i noticed somebody revised haha) but i think i got it now. For a while i have been keeping a pretty thorough listing in the Music section on the forums. Just thought i would throw anything in that i noticed here. There are still a bunch of tracks i haven't found and unknowns in the music which i wish the Creators would clear up but i will keep at it for rizzle. --Livelongandprosper77 5:03p.m., 24 January 2007 (CST)

Oh yeah i didn't give ya a link to my masterpiece lol. http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=701&start=7

There ya go use it anyway ya want i is here to help :D. Lol i need to hang out in LGpedia more because i totally had no idea a soundtrack section had started here till yesterday. --Livelongandprosper77 5:24p.m., 24 January 2007 (CST)

Hello, I was just wondering about the LL page? Is it suitable now? And if not, the GC page is very nice. - User Crowcity

Hi, Owen! Thanks for the note. I have been looking at other pages to see how things have been done - seems to be a great way to figure things out. Didn't want to put that pic into the article - just wanted to refer/direct folks back to it...thinking about it, not sure that's even really needed. Believe me, if I need immediate help, I won't even have to leave a message on your page or Brucker's - you'll be able to hear me hollering from here :D (but I will leave a note for one or the other of you). Since Jay took me in hand, I figured stuff that wasn't time critical could sit till someone let him back in the door when he got back... <chuckle> Anyway, little by little, I'm finding things (found the pictures-by-category by going to Brucker's page...wouldn't be a bad idea to have a nice site map of Useful Stuff for wiki-wacky folks who're working back here...or have I just not stumbled on that yet...? <blink>) -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] 09:15, 23 February 2007 (CST)

<smacks forehead> Found the category list...who'da thunk? Amazing how that worked out! Thanks for pre-reading my thoughts and already having one of those! <shaking head...and carefully massaging poor smacked forehead> -- [[User:Chershaytoute|Chershaytoute]] (moments later!)

Hey i was wondering about the "List of lonelygirl15 video" page. because certain videos are not in the order that they should be in. they are being put in the order of the posting date on youtube and i think that they should be organized in a way so its more understandable. i dont think that the dates matter as much. like these video titles;

Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind) [The Op video should be after the video by bree;
I Listened To Daniel LG, Because the which side are you on video is under video 54# Where's Daniel? and i dont think it has any reference to that episode.

Feel free to correct me if im wrong but i think some of these videos are listed completly out of the order they should be in.

- [[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:Hi Michiev,
:Thanks for letting me know that the current order isn't intuitive. My understanding is that the OpAphid videos are put into that list depending on the numbering assigned to them by the Creators when those episodes were "moved to the left bar" of the lonelygirl15.com website. [[Where's Daniel?]] is #54, and [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] is #54b. [[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] (the one you said has no reference to [[Where's Daniel]]) is #54c.
:I hope it's ok with you that I'm copying this discussion to [[Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] so that others may weight in. Personally I'd rather go by the numbers, but I think we should be concerned if those numbers don't make sense to people.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:48, 26 February 2007 (CST)

== A word about templates ==

I like the fact that you edited all the userboxes into a category, but in the future, keep in mind that those extra line breaks that appear outside of the <noinclude> tags will show up on the pages where the template is used. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 14:20, 4 December 2006 (CST)

Don't worry too much about it, the wiki is new, even the admins are on a bit of a learning curve. The above was just an FYI. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:04, 5 December 2006 (CST)

== cite.php ==

read your to-do list item about cite.php -- TWJaniak has that on his to-do list. I think he's a little swamped right now as it appears JSmith has left the LGPedia web staff.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:59, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:Awesome, thanks for noticing and letting me know! Naturally, it's not an urgent thing, so I understand he has other stuff to worry about right now. I'll keep a lookout for when this is available, thx! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:22, 10 December 2006 (CST)

==Cite.php==

I tried adding [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php Cite.php] to the LGpedia a few weeks ago. I downloaded, installed and configured all the necessary files on the server, but when I went live with the changes, the LGpedia crashed and burned. I don't know what went wrong, but I plan on trying again in the next few days. I feel a functional citation system has become a necessity. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 22:28, 12 December 2006 (CST)

:'''UPDATE:''' The Cite.php extension has been added. Now you you can make footnotes to your heart's content! -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 14:33, 13 December 2006 (CST)

::Thank you! I saw you told JayHenry that you had to upgrade the whole 'pedia. Wow... can't have been a snap, thanks for making it happen! I shall faithfully implement citations now. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 19:37, 13 December 2006 (CST)

Kool Twj, you should do Lgpedia more ofton when u can that is...--Iris2009 14:42, 13 December 2006 (CST)

==Links to Music page==

Hi Todd,
LG15 Soundtrack is up-to-date! Now that the "soundtrack" page is built, I'm not sure what's the best way to deal with the music information contained in the various blog articles. Some include links to the artists' LGPedia page, which redirects to the LG15 music page. Others have external links to their band webpages. Some have these links within the template and others have it embedded in the transcript.
To keep things consistent and direct everyone to the LG15 Soundtrack as much as possible (because it often more complete info on links for listening to the songs and to the bands' pages), I was thinking perhaps a minor change could be made to the Blog3 template. Just as typing in Bree Phone Home as the next video would produce Bree Phone Home automatically, I thought perhaps we could have it so that "The tale of room 620 by Ehren Starks" would automatically show The tale of room 620 by Ehren Starks (linking to LG15 Soundtrack).
I don't know much about templates, but from what I see, it looks like this:
<pre>
! Music {{!}} {{{song}}} |}}

could be replaced with something along the lines of:

! Music {{#if: {{{Music|}}} | "[[{{{LG15 Soundtrack|Music}}}]]" | none}}
</pre>
I'm not sure if I got that right, but I hope it conveyed the message. I saw you made the majority of edits to Blog3, so I thought it'd be best to let you take care of any changes made to it (esp since they affect so many pages!). If you like the change and want to implement it, I'd have no problem going through the blog articles to make sure it's being used correctly in all of them.

OwenIsCool 18:53, 18 December 2006 (CST)

:This can't actually be done without a major change to the template and edits to all of the documents that have used [[Template:Blog3|Blog3]] so far. Instead you can do what I have done with the entry for the song of the latest video and the [[LG15 Soundtrack]] page. A <div> tag needs to encapsulate the name of the song on the soundtrack page to act as an anchor for the link from the video's page. Refer to the source code for both the song entry on [[Bree Phone Home]] and the corresponding entry on the soundtrack page for an example of how this should be formatted. Do '''NOT''' use spaces in the anchor's name; instead uses underscores and remember that link and anchor names are case-sensitive. -- [[User:Twjaniak|Twjaniak]] 09:38, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== Where is OIC? ==

If you don't come back and start editing again I'm honestly going to cry.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:30, 10 January 2007 (CST)

:OIC! I'm so glad you're back! Yay!! Could you send me a PM or e-mail? You can e-mail me [[Special:Emailuser/JayHenry|through thd Wiki]] or I'm JayHank at the forum (I have no clue who, if anyone, you are over there). Oh, and p.s. Kenneth Goodfried is Greg Goodfried's father. I need to add a page on him!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:34, 14 January 2007 (CST)

::Okay, well, no need to PM. OIC, would you be interested in being an admin? It's silly for you to always have to ask Brucker and I to delete nonsense pages or ask us to block vandals. You've proven you're a good, trustworthy editor. What do you say?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:39, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Hi JayHenry, 
:::Sorry I didn't PM you earlier! Got caught up editing as usual =) I'm honored by your suggestion and would love to give it a try! 
:::Disclaimer: I still have a lot to learn... but so far you and Brucker have been a great help so no doubt I'll be able to get the hang of it.
:::Best, 
:::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:24, 15 January 2007 (CST)
::::You're an admin now. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)
::::: Ms Kelly would be proud! --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 20:18, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I'll try to be as honorable as Spiderman, thx Jay! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:20, 15 January 2007 (CST)

==Bree's Myspace==

I don't want to bother you OIC, but I'm not sure how to handle the issue of Bree's Myspace. It disappeared yesterday, and was listed in the recent events, but I checked it today, and it's back. I listed its return in the recent events. Should we add something about her Myspace's disappearance and reappearance to [[Bree]] or [[MySpace]]? -- [[User:Taisetsuna|tai]] 19:42, 27 January 2007 (CST)
:: Thanks for the help! I added it to the [[MySpace]] page, and tried to wikify the page a bit while I was at it. -- [[User:Taisetsuna|tai]] 21:21, 27 January 2007 (CST)

In case your wondering, i am the one that fixed Bree's myspace, click this link to read about it.
http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=174222&highlight=#174222 --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:12, 28 January 2007 (CST)

:That was nice of you to grab the URL for the Creators while they got everything back together. Thanks for sharing. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:38, 28 January 2007 (CST)

All in a days of work, i help restore the site to the orignal and i ran it till the orginal was restored and then gave it back to The Creators. --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:27, 28 January 2007 (CST)

== 101 DARNVANDALS ==

That was about as much fun as being hit with a barrel of rocks..is there a way to revert faster or do editors have a one touch button..you were a lot faster than me. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 19:57, 29 January 2007 (CST)

:When I go to a recent edit, I see a link that says "[rollback]". I don't know if only Admins have it. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 20:14, 29 January 2007 (CST)

::Geez, we sure picked the wrong time to all be away from the LGPedia for an hour. Are we sure that we fixed all the damage that [[four-letter words|f****r]] did?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:32, 29 January 2007 (CST)

:::I went through and double-checked all edits from that time period; I'm pretty sure LG422 and OiC got them all straightened out. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:32, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== How to Lose Friends and Abuse People ==
I am working on my new book titled the above...I'll autograph you a copy. It comes out right after I finish my tour of the middle schools. As to the self-nomination thing... I wouldn't do that. I would be vehemently against that. As for the self editing..I'd rather be reading a book..but..as bad as it is at the moment..people actually have looked at it and said..OH..I understand your videos now..so..thats why I do it. I am doing it for some coherence. One thing you will learn is that I am as hard on myself as I am on others. As to the Youmomissmarmy thing here is a vast difference between exclusion/inclusion and featuring. Aditionally the biggest reason I am against it is LL's jacking of the Cassie line.let me say..that doesnt anger me..thats what the creators are about..EXPANSION which inherently involves some jacking.. Too few people really understand the CiW thing these days with itscassie's appearance..and the more recent cassie mentions by Bree. Now with Frankiswaking bringing her up.. I REALLY would rather not have a recent article featured that adds to the mainstream cassie confusion. Part of the reason I busted Crows chops a little is that he told me to lighten up..kinda not in my nature....actually probably more in my nurture come to think about it..but this isn't the place for that and if we got into that you might send me a bill for the analysis.
Seriously though OIC..I joke pretty dead pan and harshly..but..I am consistent cause I do it to myself as well.. I appreciate your calling me on my seeming lack of consistency but really I am just telling them to toughen up a bit..cause based on my personal experiences..what I said to them was nothing compared to what others may say as they get more exposure. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 09:56, 30 January 2007 (CST)

== Guess I don't need to ask ==
I thought about it after I made the video that I should have checked with you 3 first about mentioning you guys..granted you are Admins..but..its a vid..so..I still shoulda checked..I got a proposal to remove it if it "offended"(Don't laugh damn you)...on Jay's Talk and got called away before I made it to do the same on your page. I had the video already planned..and a conversation with someone this morning..in between abusing a few people..made me mention the squelching of info. It seems that the person I talked to said their articles get deleted all the time...etc..and not by you guys. Anyway..glad you liked it.. Now..Hopefully it does some good..we will see..since you like it..I will post it on the tube. Send me a PM or an AIM..same name..so we can discuss this squelching. Seems to have been costing us at least one decent editor.--[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 21:16, 30 January 2007 (CST)

==apologies==
hey - i reread that comment about one of my edits that you made on my page and i jumped at you about, and i guess i misunderstood some of what you said, sorry i snapped at you. i was just irritated that you were irritated by my sarcasm, and i kind of disregarded everything else you said.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 23:10, 31 January 2007 (CST)

::I think a lot of us get tunnel vision on posts and fingers fly and we get one or 2 words wrong in our heads and... BOOYA!.. Misunderstanding. On another note.. I am being bad right now..shhhhhh....mischevious bugger that I am. Mwahahah. A boy needs a little fun. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 23:50, 2 February 2007 (CST)

:::Good point, LordGreystoke422. It's hard to convey tone in a post, so it's easier to misunderstand people. And yes, I just saw you were terrorizing those GC people again. If Ms. Kelly were here she'd set you straight. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:47, 3 February 2007 (CST)

== Deriders ==

Thanks for the note on 87..whatever the number was's talk. I'd say it is the same guy that got banned. He's actually a bit funny..and could contribute if he played right.. It sounds like he wants to create his own story..but doesn't want to make a video. If he did make a video I would say have at it..but..I am sure he doesn't want to be subjected to his own treatment. I wouldn't make a harsh video response...not ME! NEVER! --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 16:39, 7 February 2007 (CST)

== Email ==

I sent you a email did you get it.--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 21:50, 11 February 2007 (CST)

:Hi Iris,
:Thanks for letting me know you emailed me, I don't check it otherwise. I hope you don't mind if I reply here since it's not a private matter. I'm sorry if you wasted your time emailing the creators about the Lucy thing. It was clear from the edit made to [[The Human Ransom]] that [[Amanda Goodfried]] played [[Lucy]]. When [[Admin]] makes an edit, you can safely assume that it's the creators. That's why I went ahead and made the changes to Amanda's and [[Jessi Williams]]'s articles. Thanks for taking the time and double-checking, though in the future keep in mind that it's not necessary to confirm edits from the Admin account.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:00, 11 February 2007 (CST)

Actally i emailed you then they changed it, lol. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:34, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== LGpedia Crash ==
Just to let a admin know the crash a couple of days ago was a error on my part, i was trying to Max Catorgize something, to see if it would work and it brought it down, it was restored later on. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

This is the email i sent Mesh.

Subject: Sorry
Body: hey, just wanted to let you know, i did Crash the LGpedia when trying out a patch for it..sorry.

Its back up and running but i wanted to let you know, sorry.

-Iris2009
--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:13, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Hey, here's what it is
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CategoryTree_extension --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:43, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Iris,
:I suspect that you're not being entirely honest. The extension described in this link doesn't sound like what you explained earlier. I also saw that you just made an edit to that extension's article to state that you yourself had worked on it. Yes, your static IP address was recorded on that edit that you made less than ten minutes ago on a Wikipedia article that you've never worked on before. This all makes me a little skeptical. Best leave the webmastering to BrokenKid, ok? And do realize that anyone can look up a wiki article's history.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:53, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Okay dokey. i dont plan on trying agian anywyzs.--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:56, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Music Tracks ==
They have proving science wrong and so on.
http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=701 --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 19:22, 15 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks, Iris. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:38, 15 February 2007 (CST)

did that help? --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 23:06, 15 February 2007 (CST)

== [[Template:Userbox Categories|Category Userbox]] ==

Thanks for creating it. I saw it and thought "Wow, that fits me exactly."--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:51, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Um, your new organization of userboxes looks lousy on my screen, FYI. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 02:41, 25 February 2007 (CST)
:Thanks for the heads up; it looked fine on my computer. I might try a different table then... I dunno I just want something that looks normal on everyone's screen and I thought this would do it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:08, 25 February 2007 (CST)
::Differnt screen resolutions can cause so much trouble. I notice a lot of the time that stuff that looks one way here at work looks entirely differnt at home. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:19, 26 February 2007 (CST)
:::Ah, maybe I should move around more when I work on LGPedia... anyway, I assume it looks ok now since you didn't say anything about it looking off... am I right?

== Admin discussion page ==

[[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony]]

:O.I.Cool, where have you been?? Lots of stuff up on Lucy's Balcony that I'd love your opinion on. Particularly the character template and locations discussions that have trickled to other pages but are linked to. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:50, 8 March 2007 (CST)

::hiya! well I took off for some vacation time and didn't get a chance to make the pretty template I wanted to put up. Sorry about pulling Houdini there. I'll take a look around the Balcony now, but I think I'll make the rest of my edits later. Hope that's ok! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:56, 8 March 2007 (CST)

==user templates==
Oh I'm sorry about everything thankyou for telling me. LB15

==Thanks Owen==
Thanks for the work you did on the mIRC page I set up. I'm a wiki noob. I'm great at gathering content, but not so good at formatting. I appreciate your help. [[User:Luminous|Luminous]]

==Talk Page==
If you looked at the talk page, you would see that the general feeling was to take Gemma out. This was run by anybody who bothered to look at the talk page, including some mods. The table did look bad, though. If you wanted to keep Gemma, YOU should have said so in the talk page. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 10:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

==Tone==
My tone was a little harsh. I need to remember that I'm still a n00b. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 17:49, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

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Jonas

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Malan89: Adding updated plot changes to the page.

{{Person2
| name = Jonas
| image = Jonas666.JPG
| age = 19
| birthday = August 1987? (Leo)
| youtube = jonastko
| revver = jonastko
| myspace = Jonastko
| actor = Jackson Davis
| first = [[My Name Is Jonas]]
| last = [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]]
| color = DarkOrange
}}
'''Jonas''' a.k.a. '''jonastko''' is a [[Revver]]/[[YouTube]] user who started leaving video comments on [[Bree]]'s videos and eventually became friends with Bree and [[Daniel]]. Most of his videos take place in what he says is his father's study.

Jonas is an orphan and lives alone in what was his parents' [[Jonas's house|house]]. In his video [[Happy Thanksgiving]], Jonas disclosed that his [[Jonas's parents|parents]] were lost at sea six years ago while traveling along [[Longitude 140]]. He claims to have inherited a large house and a great deal of money.

Jonas offers Bree and Daniel help in the form of shelter and financial support. Bree comes to live with Jonas in the video [[Your Decision]]. Daniel joins them in the video [[Christmas Surprise]].

According to the video [[On The Road Again]], Jonas's last name could very well begin with a "W," due to the fact that his father used his initials to write, ''The Order in the Modern Empire''.

==Jonas's life==
Although an amount of money is never given, Jonas owns a large house, at least two vehicles, and appears to have been paying all of Bree's and Daniel's bills for several months. Jonas has also mentioned that he does not work and has no intention to. Prior to turning 18, he had a full-time nanny and attended a lot of psychotherapy. To support this lifestyle indefinitely, Jonas must have inherited at least several million dollars.

Jonas says that he has been too quick to trust people in the past. He has been taking advantage of for his money and mentions that once he stopped throwing giant parties, a lot of his friends stopped calling him.

Many fans have observed that Jonas is something of a lonelyboy. While Bree turned to books and stuffed animals, Jonas has turned to pop-culture and sports. Jonas makes constant references to movies and TV shows, often very obscure ones, and also enjoys extreme sports, boxing and foosball.

Many have also speculated that Jonas is gay. This arose both from his friendship with Daniel, and his lack of interest in Bree. Although, in "[[Uncle Dan]]," Jonas is apparently interested in a girl named [[Carla]] who comes on to him very strongly. This is evidenced by his giddy reaction to the camera after she gives him a little kiss.

==Fan Distrust==
Fans remain largely suspicious of Jonas's motives in offering such generous support to Bree and Daniel. Fans note that Jonas initially only extended support to Bree, rather than to both Bree and Daniel. Moreover, Jonas's profile initially said that he both became a member and posted his first video "one week ago." Because he only became a member and showed interest in Bree when she was on the run from [[the Order]], fans are suspicious that he may be connected with the Order.

This fan suspicion culminated in [[The Test]], where Daniel asked registered [[forum]] members to contact [[GoodGollyItsHolly]] to pass on a recommendation concerning whether to trust Jonas or not.

Jonas later posted a video called [[Tough Cookie]] which included a clip from the [[Tachyon]] video [[Gemma? (Part II)|Gemma? [Part II]]] that shows [[Gemma]] and [[Lucy]] together, implying that Gemma is actually working for the Order.

Although Bree and Daniel lived with Jonas for some time without incident, some fans continued not to trust him.

In the video [[How Dumb Am I?]], Bree reveals evidence found in Jonas's [[Jonas's parents' cabin|parents' vacation home]] strongly linking him with the Order. This may have been planted by Daniel or The Order to convince Bree to distrust Jonas, even though Bree does not seem to be considering this possibility.

In videos following [[How Dumb Am I?]], however, Jonas's name appears to have been cleared, with the symbol found actually adopted by Jonas's parents who were thought to be researching the Order for some unknown reason. Now, with [[Lucy!?!?!]] having raised questions about [[Alex]], [[Jonas]]' intentions for caring for [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] are back under question.

==Etymology of ''Jonas''==
There are two possible derivations of the name Jonas:

*Jonas is the Latin derivation of the Greek form (Ionas) of the Hebrew name Jonah. It is widely presumed that Jonas's name is a reference to the [[Bible|Biblical]] Jonah, who was swallowed by a fish, because this would tie in to the story of his lost parents. For further discussion, also see the LGPedia article, [[Water Theme]]. Jonas is most widely used as a male name in German and Scandinavian cultures.

*Many fans who distrust Jonas have suggested that [[the creators]] chose Jonas as a name because it sounds like Judas, the apostle who betrayed Jesus.

*Alternatively, Jonas is the Lithuanian variant of the English name ''John''. John is derived from the Hebrew Johanas, which means "God is great," and which is the name of Biblical characters John the Baptist, John the Apostle, and John the Evangelist.

*On YouTube and Revver, Jonas uses the name jonastko. The name is a reference to Jonas's boxing hobby. The letters T.K.O. are used in boxing as an abbreviation for "Technical Knock-Out."

==Last Name==
Jonas is the first character in the series whose last name is at least partially known, thanks to the document with his dad's initials

==List of (pre-official) videos==
#[[My Name Is Jonas]]
#[[Bored At Home]]
#[[Happy Thanksgiving]]

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