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Talk:Psychological Torture

2007-03-30T06:53:52Z

Macabea13:

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isn't "psychological torture" overdoing it? looked like they just fed em drugs. --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 00:25, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, probably. But hey, you have to admit that it sounds cool :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:34, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

O.O :reads the transcript 'cause her computer's sound never works properly: May I be the first to say "Oh shizermiester!!" --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

I second that!

Where did the Descripiton come from? It isn't on the LG15 page?

Talk:Psychological Torture

2007-03-30T06:53:26Z

Macabea13:

Talk:Miss Me?

2007-02-08T21:18:40Z

Macabea13: Washington Irving Quote.

I figure this discussion is bound to start soon, so I might as well start it myself. This video raises a few questions:
#Who is the blogger for this video, [[Daniel]] or [[OpAphid]]?
#Should this video be treated as a part of the [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|LG15 video series]], as an OpAphid video, or both?
#How should [[Lose Something?]] and [[The Ends Justify The Means]] be treated since they are previous videos that were reposted on lonelygirl15.com?
#What should we do about OpAphid apparently brainwashing Daniel?!?!?!?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 13:54, 4 February 2007 (CST)
#Does Daniel truly remember Cassie as an affect of (apparent) brainwashing, or is he reading a script of sorts?

General Comments:
17:07, 4 February 2007 (CST)17:07, 4 February 2007 (CST)~~
The vid is signed by Oppy, not DB. Btw; a substantial Oppy vid?! o hell yeah! -Nieriel.Manwathiel

:Here's my take on your questions, Jonpro (and by the way, they are very all ''very'' good questions)
:#OpAphid is the blogger. Even though Daniel is in the vid, it is clearly done Op-style.
:#Yes, and no. The lists should be merged. I saw on the lonelygirl15 website that they've added the OpVids to the regular video column. [[Lose Something?]] is now number 0121b, meaning it goes after [[Foosball Battle]] (although because of a glitch, it looks like it comes right before). [[The Ends Justify The Means]] is number 0115b, coming in right after [[Bree And I Hooked Up]]. In that case it actually shows up in the right order in the list. So this is an Op blog, but it comes after "The Cowboy" in the template, and not after "Lose Something?"... am I confusing you or making sense?
:#No clue... maybe a kiss from his true love will snap him out of it? prob not...
:#Now this is just my opinion... but I don't think he means anything he says. I don't think he suddenly remembers Cassie, I think he's being told to say all he said. He probably believes it all though, since he is brainwashed. Bree's dad wanted that to happen? lol
:Ok, hope this clarifies some issues. I would like to go ahead and start integrating the OpAphid videos with the lonelygirl blogs, but I want to hear what other people think first. It seems the Creators are really trying to make the point that the storylines have converged and are inseparable now.
:Also, the site is still acting pretty slow, so I prob won't be doing work on it for a little while... but in the meantime I'd like to see how others interpret this.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:45, 4 February 2007 (CST)

::Sigh... does anyone remember when this was a cute videoblogger in her room that everybody thought was a real person? When the goal was to tell a "highly-realistic story"? Anyways, here's the Creators on the ''new'' relationship between LG15 and OpAphid. http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5955 Some OpAphid videos are required viewing. When they are required, they'll be in the video column. The puzzles, however, are optional. Or something.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:12, 4 February 2007 (CST)

::I totally agree about this being a cute video. What the hell happened? I really don't know where they're going with this. Not only does it not follow a logical order/plot, it isn't entertaining. I was on the edge of my seat waiting for this video, and now I'm not really excited about the next video. They've killed the interest for me. Heck, they could have kept the order thing being a weird cult. That'd be fine. This is less cult and more science fiction.
:::Are you kidding??? I'm TOTALLY on the edge of my seat now! What the hell is gonna happen? They can't just let The Order take take Daniel without a fight. But what are they gonna do? This was the first real WOW moment I've had since "The Unthinkable." ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 02:30, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Perhaps this is just me, but does anyone else find it odd that it says "This is the first in a series of Op Aphid videos uploaded to the main page"?
How does anyone know there are gonna be more Op Aphid videos on the front page? This could be the one and only.

I doubt it'll be the only one seeing as more then 1 Op Aphid vid has already been added. - Maddie

Thanks for your reply, [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]]. I agree with your suggestion to merge the lists. It will take some work, but since the Creators have merged the videos in the column on lonelygirl15.com, we just have to do the same thing here. If there are no other ideas about how to handle this, I think this is the best suggestion.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:06, 4 February 2007 (CST)

I do not see how this is an Op video. This video is from Daniel. --[[User:LGFAN|LGFAN]]

:Okay, first my comments on these questions.
:#[[OpAphid]] is clearly the blogger, despite the video being all Daniel.
:#I think the distinction between LG15 and OpAphid was just killed. This presents some difficulties for the LGPedia that I will try to address below.
:#All the OpAphid videos should be integrated into the series, using the numbers suggested on the sidebar of the main lonelygirl15.com page.
:#As far as the LGPedia goes, we do nothing but speculate in the notes section. What a person might do elsewhere is entirely up to them.
:#It's hard to tell at this point what Daniel is really on about with Cassie. He may have been reminded of her by the Order, (imagine if [[itscassie]] turns out to be canon, and Daniel has reconnected with her; it's possible, although I still don't think it's so) as the fact that it has been mentioned suggests it is going to be important to the plot.
:--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:06, 5 February 2007 (CST)

==Daniel or OpAphid==
Okay, OwenIsCool, I've got to backtrack and explain why I changed. The video is posted on YouTube under the Danielbeast account, not OpAphid. Likewise, on Revver, the video appears on the lonelygirl15 account (Daniel has no Revver account, all his videos are posted on Bree's), but not on the OpAphid account. Despite the description of the video referring to Daniel in the third person, Daniel himself does so in the video. I take this as an indication not that this is an official Op video, but that this is a Daniel video either made under coercion or the effects of some sort of brainwashing. So, I am changing my answer to question #1 to Daniel. The other questions continue to linger with few easy answers. I think people should weigh in here as to their opinion on the correct blogger and submit their reasoning if they have anything to add to the discussion before we edit it again. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:20, 5 February 2007 (CST)
P.S. Whichever decision we reach as to who the blogger is, I think this is still technically part of the OpAphid series, agreed? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:20, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:I see where you're coming from on this and it makes sense. However you know how I tend to disregard whose account videos get posted to since sometimes it doesn't seem all that logical. In the forum thread that JayHenry linked to above, the Creators mentioned that they were going to post all vids to Bree's account from now. Turns out they've been doing "research" trying to determine whether her account just intrinsically gets more views--and apparently it does. That means that the Sleepover video posted to Bree's account was probably intended to be from Jonas, just like it sounded. Jonas's account gets the least views of any. Likewise here, I think they might have posted to Daniel's to get more views, and (in-character) because Op has hacked his account (and his brain, seriously).
:My interpretation for Revver is that Miss Me is on the left (official) side, not because it's from Daniel, but because all Op videos are on the left bar now (see my note further down on the page). As to the material in the video itself, all characteristics point to Op. The logo, the weird sounds, the backwards audio, the puzzle, and the intent behind it (to get Bree). It's Daniel talking the whole time, but I'd say the "writer and director" is still Op, and the video is from them.
:Having said that, I did like your idea about keeping Daniel as the blogger, but making it part of the OpAphid series. Problem with that though, is that it's not a separate series anymore. Like we both said before, the distinction between LG15 and Op videos is no more. We need to merge them here as they've been merged on the Main page. So if we leave Daniel as the blogger, what will denote it as an "Op" video if it's all the same series anyway?
:Btw, sorry I went ahead and changed it. I'm not adamant about the blogger, I just wanted somewhere to write in the question, and putting a comment in a talk page seemed too passive.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:26, 5 February 2007 (CST)
::Hey Brucker,
::I changed the template as per our discussion below in "templature" and bc putting Op in as the blogger in Blog3 was creating a fake category "OpAphid's blogs". This template puts it in the category "OpAphid videos". I think this works for now and I'm ok with leaving "DB" as the initials in the LG15 list though.
::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:22, 6 February 2007 (CST)

== templature ==

The newest development with regards to OpAphid presents us with a question on which templates to use for these videos. The regular [[Template:Blog3|Blog3 template]] that we'd used for the official series or the green [[Template:Aphid|Aphid template]]. I suppose I have a slight preference for the Aphid template. According to the creators post at the forum, it looks like there will be two types of OpAphid videos -- those that are required viewing and those that are still primarily for the ARGers. Should we even bother making the distinction or should we just treat it the same as everything else? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:05, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:We have the Op template, might as well use it, I think. It would also serve to distinguish Op vids from regular blogs, and that distinction is needed now more than ever since the Creators have intertwined the two series.
:JayHenry, Brucker, what do you think about including these Op videos on the LG15 list of vids? It seems from the post JayHenry linked to that at least some of them should be treated as mandatory viewing material. Also, what do you think about "merging" the video pages? What I mean is, instead of OpAphid being a separate sequence of vids from LG15, work them as if they were another blog, like Bree's or Daniel's or Jonas's. Example: The "previous blog" to "Lose Something?" would be "Foosball Battle", instead "The Ends Justify The Means".
:I don't know if this is the best approach, since maybe the Creators didn't intend for all the Op vids to be merged in like that. This one clearly needs to be "merged", but we can't have it separate from the other Op vids... sry, I'm not making any sense anymore. Look what you've done, Creators! We slave away trying to logically organize information about your series and every couple of weeks you have to change things around. "Let's get add a seen character with a speaking role, but make her totally irrelevant to the plot. Let's have Jonas post a blog under Bree's account--and let's make the description ambiguous. Let's throw in another "Seen" but minor character that defies all categorization. Now, let's post an Op video on the 'official videos' side of the website. That'll throw them." >_<
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:50, 5 February 2007 (CST) (I'll be back tomorrow when I'm not so touchy about this Oppy mess)
::I disagree about Random Girl... she was totally relevant to the plot, as she reminded Daniel that there were other girls in the world (Breeniverse?) besides Bree. However, I object to them not even giving her a DAMN NAME. ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 02:30, 5 February 2007 (CST)
:::Okay, I've got a beef with the creators again. In trying to organize this information, we come up with logical ways to categorize and present it, and then once again, they change the rules. I think there is a big problem here that we have to go back and redo a lot of the stuff on these videos. Are they now ''all'' canon? Are we supposed to change our understanding of how the characters in OpAphid are interacting with lg15 characters? Do we need to redefine the concept of canon in some way, since the OpAphid videos were sort of pseudo-canonical, and now are full-blown part and parcel of the lg15 world? While I accept that there is artistic license to go where they want with their series, those of us who have been working hard on the LGPedia to make it all it is can get a bit tired when things get this scrambled. It was annoying enough to me when Daniel posted on Bree's account, but this changes a whole lot. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 10:43, 5 February 2007 (CST)

::::Luckily, we've already done most of the work - pages, transcriptions, and notes for all the videos. We need to update [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]] as per the new posts on lonelygirl15.com. We've already incorporated Op fairly well onto the [[Main Page]]. So we need to update the Op template to allow for official numbering, and go rejigger the pages a bit, but it's not really a huge burden.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:02, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh yeah, probably would be a good idea to wait until the numbering is adjusted on the Op template before changing the template on this video. Oh, and I'm going to go see if the Tachyon videos were incorporated. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:07, 5 February 2007 (CST)

::::::Ok, so I took a look at the main webpage. It's a mess. They've incorporated all the Op vids except for "You made the right choice" (the first one). They're still using the awkward ####b numbering, which screws up the order. It makes the Adventures in Babysitting video (Op ransacking their motel room) come before the Thanksgiving hike, which is where they were while the room was broken into. Etc, etc. To make matters worse, sometimes there's two Opvideos in a row, giving us ####b and ####c... how unelegant. I'm for renumbering everything to fit in the Op videos, but for some reason the Creators thought this was a better solution. Can we do it our way? Oh, and none of the Tachyon vids were incorporated. I'll bet anything they'll be incorporated as soon as we're done working out this Op merge.
::::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:46, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Some thoughts:
* As for incorporating the OpAphid videos, I've taken the same approach that we used with Gemma and Jonas as you can see at [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos]]. They also numbered those first Gemma episodes as, you know, 44a, or whatever. But I think it's fine to leave them in the list where they happened chronologically, but without a number. And, similarly with those early Gemma vids, we simply had [[Nut Kills Man]] go to [[Living In London]]. We didn't retroactively make it direct to the lg videos. I suggest, to save ourselves the work, that we do the same here.
* The Watcher symbol suggests to me that this is an OpAphid video. As long as the ambiguity is clear in our notes section, though, I don't see the harm in having it one way or the other.
* The notes section has gotten way too long on this one. It seems to me that all puzzles should have their own pages like the [[Bree Phone Home puzzle]]. The general solution can be briefly summarizedon the video page, and the complete puzzle solution included on the puzzle page.
--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:41, 5 February 2007 (CST)

I have a suggestion that I brought up before and it was shot down, but I'm going to bring it up again, since I think it may be more applicable now. It also would be a fair amount of work, unfortunately, but might resolve some ambiguity. In the section of the template that says "Adjacent blogs", we could have two or more subsections. One subsection has previous/next for the overall series, while the other one points to previous/next in the specific user's blog. The second section could be optional, since especially in the case of lg15 videos, those will often be the same. There are a few ways this could be implemented, but I'm hoping this puts across the basic idea enough to discuss the possibility. Any thoughts? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:57, 6 February 2007 (CST)

:Brucker, I like that idea. So for this video, for example, there would be a link to [[The Cowboy]] being the previous LG15 video and to [[Lose Something?]] being the previous OpAphid video. I think that's a good way to help integrate the two series without having both templates on the page or something like that. As for the notes section becoming too long, perhaps there should be a section on the page relating to the "OpAphid" aspect of the video, which would include things like reversed audio and hidden messages. That way, people following OpAphid can look there and people trying to follow the story without worrying about the OpAphid stuff could look at the main section of the page. Just a suggestion. Any others?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:01, 6 February 2007 (CST)

::I think that might be worth a shot... I'm unskilled with the templates though, so I'd have to leave it to you people to write the code for that. In the meantime though, why not have the first bullet of the notes section say something like "This is the first OpAphid video to be incorporated to the LG15 series. The previous OpAphid video was [[Lose Something?]], and that way we prevent Lose Something from getting orphaned. I think we have similar links for the Gemma and Jonas inclusions. And about the notes, yes, the puzzle stuff can be moved. I think I might work on getting that on a separate page now, kind of like the Bree Phone Home puzzle. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 22:21, 6 February 2007 (CST)

I think there might be a reference to gender/sexuality in the title. Miss Me? # 87.127.97.144

== From the Player's View ==

PLX to be leaving the aphid template in place. The vids both apply to the LG series but the LG vids hardly apply to the game. For the sake of the players, particularly new ones, please treat aphid and co. as both a part of LG and also it's own thing.

== Washington Irving Quote. ==

The backwards masked quote at the end is from Washington Irving. It might imply that Daniel's weak mind was corrupted by the Order, but that someone stronger (maybe Bree) can resist it. ( in notes)

Little minds are tamed and subdued by misfortune, but great minds rise above them(actual quote)

I don't think this is implied by the quote at all. It sounds more like Op is saying she is a great mind who can rise above Bree who will be tamed and subdued by misfortune. 15:18, 8 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Illuminati

2007-01-27T08:11:37Z

Macabea13:

and this has to do with lg15 how?

:The [[Illuminati]] are supposed to be derives from very old secret societies. Both Gemma and the Creators themselves have talked about secret societies and how they relate to Bree's religion.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 23:48, 29 November 2006 (CST)

==Deletion==
The Illuminati may very well be an interesting subject, but there has been no reference to it in the series, so I don't think it merits it's own article. The article tries to justify its inclusion by saying that LG15 is about secret societies, but I don't think that's enough. If no one objects in a week or so, I'll delete it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:31, 19 January 2007 (CST)

'''NOTE:''' This page should be renamed "Illuminati Influences". If need be, I can keep it up to date with the Illuminati pop-culture influences on the LG15 storyline since the current information has no relevence to the story but the Illuminati definitely does. Trainer101

I agree with Deletion after carefully looking at the page. --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 19:17, 24 January 2007 (CST)

I disagree with deletion. I think that the Illuminati have been a large part of the speculation in the LG15 saga. There are other references in here, (ie Lovecraft) that have not been directly referenced, but that have been speculated about, and this is part of what the whole experience is about. If anything, I think this page should be elaborated upon.02:11, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:Hamster

2007-01-26T23:20:41Z

Macabea13:

In speculation area why not add that Epogen is made from hamster ovarian cells?http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4353 First post/ 17:19, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:Hamster

2007-01-26T23:19:51Z

Macabea13:

This was a tag on My Dad said too....I have no idea how to edit the page though. Also, in speculation area why not add that Epogen is made from hamster ovarian cells?http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4353 First post/ 17:19, 26 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:Time To Grow Up

2007-01-23T22:46:09Z

Macabea13:

There is some talk over on the fourm about the picture caption's relevance. Where did it come from? 13:51, 23 January 2007 (CST)

:The picture captions that we use on the blog pages are usually just humorous, or sometimes a direct quote from the video. That's all there is... where is this thread? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:15, 23 January 2007 (CST)

http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5274 Buried kind of deep...I would say probably 4 or 5 pages in. Near the end someone did mention they thought the captions were written by fans.
16:46, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:Time To Grow Up

2007-01-23T19:51:16Z

Macabea13:

There is some talk over on the fourm about the picture caption's relevance. Where did it come from? 13:51, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:The Ceremony (ritual)

2007-01-18T09:38:28Z

Macabea13: /* Influences? */

==name change?==
I think a more appropriate name for this page would be "The Ceremony (ritual)" --to separate it from Daniel's video by the same title. Or perhaps "Bree's Ceremony", as everything else relating to it is often described as "Bree's pills", "Bree's injections", etc. No one really calls it "Bree's ritual", so I often find myself writing [Bree's ritual|the ceremony] and such when editing articles. Any objections if I change the name? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:25, 14 January 2007 (CST)

== Influences? ==

I am unclear as to why these two influences were singled out? There are so many others that could have been influencing it too....ie Babylon Rising ( Parsons and Hubbard).--[[User:Macabea13|Macabea13]] 23:29, 17 January 2007 (CST)

::The Body of Light and the Gnostic Mass were singled out because 1) they were already there when I cleaned up the article, and 2) because they're both linked to Aleister Crowley. Why should we mention Babylon Rising? and what is it? sry, I really haven't heard of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:59, 17 January 2007 (CST)

:: : Oops, I am sorry I meant Babalon Working: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon_Working. Not exactly a clear connection, but one that semed pertinent at the beginning. My point was that Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard followed Crowley closely, and came up with some very potent rituals on their own, that resonated in the early days. Don't know how they stand up now. I think you are right that The Body of Light and Gnostic Mass were influences, I, too, saw the connection. I did see other connections too. I should probably do more research again, but would hate to have to, since it all panned out to nothing --[[User:Macabea13|Macabea13]] 03:37, 18 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:The Ceremony (ritual)

2007-01-18T09:37:27Z

Macabea13: /* Influences? */

==name change?==
I think a more appropriate name for this page would be "The Ceremony (ritual)" --to separate it from Daniel's video by the same title. Or perhaps "Bree's Ceremony", as everything else relating to it is often described as "Bree's pills", "Bree's injections", etc. No one really calls it "Bree's ritual", so I often find myself writing [Bree's ritual|the ceremony] and such when editing articles. Any objections if I change the name? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:25, 14 January 2007 (CST)

== Influences? ==

I am unclear as to why these two influences were singled out? There are so many others that could have been influencing it too....ie Babylon Rising ( Parsons and Hubbard).--[[User:Macabea13|Macabea13]] 23:29, 17 January 2007 (CST)

::The Body of Light and the Gnostic Mass were singled out because 1) they were already there when I cleaned up the article, and 2) because they're both linked to Aleister Crowley. Why should we mention Babylon Rising? and what is it? sry, I really haven't heard of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:59, 17 January 2007 (CST)

: Oops, I am sorry I meant Babalon Working: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon_Working. Not exactly a clear connection, but one that semed pertinent at the beginning. My point was that Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard followed Crowley closely, and came up with some very potent rituals on their own, that resonated in the early days. Don't know how they stand up now. I think you are right that The Body of Light and Gnostic Mass were influences, I, too, saw the connection. I did see other connections too. I should probably do more research again, but would hate to have to, since it all panned out to nothing --[[User:Macabea13|Macabea13]] 03:37, 18 January 2007 (CST)

Talk:The Ceremony (ritual)

2007-01-18T05:29:18Z

Macabea13: Influences?

Talk:Mitzvah

2006-11-28T03:55:51Z

Macabea13:

Umm why does this exist?

Good question. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:19, 21 November 2006 (CST)

This page used to have a number on it, does any one know where it went or if it meant anything?[[User:Macabea13|Macabea13]] 19:41, 27 November 2006 (CST)

"mitzvah" is, I believe, a YouTube tag on one of Bree's videos. The page that was here was filled with spam, however, so it was deleted.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 20:04, 27 November 2006 (CST)

Is that what all the website stuff was? I do want to mention however, that the original link to Mitzvah was a long number, that was posted by a different IP address than the spammer.. It was an IP from a provider located on the same street as CAA so I thought that maybe it was added in as a clue? Any thoughts?[[User:Macabea13|Macabea13]] 21:55, 27 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:Mitzvah

2006-11-28T01:41:33Z

Macabea13:

Talk:Mitzvah

2006-11-28T01:40:29Z

Macabea13:

Talk:The Equinox

2006-11-22T07:19:14Z

Macabea13:

Oh, my goodness, I hope it will be okay with Daniel if Bree stands him up for the reservations he had to sit on the phone for fifteen minutes to get. At, uhm, Bennigan's. That's a *really* fancy place, Bree. Goodness me, I hope Daniel will not be upset.

== Ceremony ==

<nowiki> I know I am a late starter with this, and I don't know what others have discussed,
butI found a link where this ceremony was described. Don't know if it means anything,
especially now that there have been so many turn arounds in the story....
don't get me started on that.
Anyway here it is if anyone is interested....</nowiki>
http://www.ananael.net/fequinox.html

Talk:The Equinox

2006-11-22T07:17:46Z

Macabea13:

Oh, my goodness, I hope it will be okay with Daniel if Bree stands him up for the reservations he had to sit on the phone for fifteen minutes to get. At, uhm, Bennigan's. That's a *really* fancy place, Bree. Goodness me, I hope Daniel will not be upset.

== Ceremony ==

I know I am a late starter with this, and I don't know what others have discussed,
butI found a link where this ceremony was described. Don't know if it means anything,
especially now that there have been so many turn arounds in the story....
don't get me started on that.
Anyway here it is if anyone is interested....

http://www.ananael.net/fequinox.html

Talk:The Equinox

2006-11-22T07:15:49Z

Macabea13: Ceremony

Oh, my goodness, I hope it will be okay with Daniel if Bree stands him up for the reservations he had to sit on the phone for fifteen minutes to get. At, uhm, Bennigan's. That's a *really* fancy place, Bree. Goodness me, I hope Daniel will not be upset.

== Ceremony ==

I know I am a late starter with this, and I don't know what others have discussed, butI found a link where this ceremony was described. Don't know if it means anything, especially now that there have been so many turn arounds in the story....don't get me started on that.
Anyway here it is if anyone is interested....

http://www.ananael.net/fequinox.html