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Talk:Lonelygirl15 characters

2008-05-04T11:49:53Z

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== Character categories ==

Okay, with the addition of the "Random Girl" character, I wonder about a number of things. (I was about to make a page for her, but then I realized that if she will not be recurring, all one needs to know about her is on the [[Truth Or Dare]] page.) Does she need her own category on this page? If so, is this the right category? It occurs to me that while "Supporting Characters" says "nor do they have speaking parts in general", in fact, I'm pretty sure this is the first time any non-blogging character has spoken on camera. While she is supposedly only appearing in this one video, in a way she has a status above Bree's parents or Lucy because of this fact. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:04, 19 January 2007 (CST)

:I think the Guest characters section is a good idea. Random Girl's role is really quite different than any of the other supporting characters. Plus, who knows... we may be having more such guest characters. That would be interesting! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 12:22, 20 January 2007 (CST)

Should "The Cowboy" be added to this page? Also, should this cowboy have his on page? -- [[User:LGFAN|LGFAN]] 11:02, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:The Cowboy should definitely be on here. For now I just linked him to the video [[The Cowboy]] but since it looks like he's going to be making a few more appearances we should probably create a "The Cowboy (character)" page, or actually, we should move the video to "The Cowboy (video)" as we did with [[Purple Monkey (video)]] and [[Aleister Crowley (Video)]]. Hmm... just noticed our capitalization is inconsistent. Video should be lowercase.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:13, 5 February 2007 (CST)

:That sounds good. I also figured it was too early to make an article for the cowboy, especially since all we know about him is pretty much summarized in "The Cowboy" video. I kinda jumped the gun with Uncle Franklin and that was pointless =(
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:03, 5 February 2007 (CST)

shouldnt we add like a whatever u would call it section for like all the canon people that just post the videos like tachyon and brother?

:Yeah, we definitely need to add them... I guess I'm still sorta in denial that they're canon. Ugh.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 18:41, 13 February 2007 (CST)
::Amen to that JayBrotha haha. [[User:HyeMew|HyeMew]] 18:43, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:::Hows that? --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 18:47, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Gemma ==

Shouldn't Alex replace gemma as a main character by now?

:Alex hasn't even made a blog. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 20:58, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Well, shouldn't Gemma be at least moved out of Main Char.'s section considering she isn't on the main page with BD&J anymore? [[User:Chelseyrl|Chelseyrl]] 00:35, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

== Redesign ==

ok now that we finished with the list of videos redesign, i thought, ok its time for a redesign of the list of characters. So I created a redesign page. ignore the stuff i did at first, it was just to get something started and is totally lame. can someone with some design talent work on it? -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:45, 1 April 2007 (CDT)
:: The redesign is live, I'd like to thank everyone for thier help. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 10:42, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

what about the creators?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:34, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

:This page is for characters ''within'' the series, not people who help make it. In other words, these are characters in the [[Breeniverse]]. [[The Creators]] don't fall in that group.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 21:31, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

== Other Blogging Characters ==

It's now obvious that Nikki B, Jules and taylor are all now canon character so they balong on the list of characters. The description under ARG characters best fit those videos, so i figured they bleonged in that group, but there is no more ARG, and these characters were never part of the ARG, so I renamed the group "other blogging character", which would be more apropriate. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 11:43, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

I cropped the pictures of Carl and Sonia so they would fit better -[[User:FH14|FH14]] 3:01, 05 June 2007 (EST)

== Animal Characters? ==

Animals don't have pages, with the exception of [[Gemma's dog]], and they aren't "characters" persay. But if it is necessary, then by all means, tell me. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 15:18, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
:I've actually been building pages for [[Gemma's dog]], [[Piglet]], and [[Colossus]]. It might be kind of neat to include them at this point... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:11, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
::If stuffed animals have pages, real animals should certainly get them. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|slinky]] 01:15, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
Is it Just Me, or are the boxes screwed up for the Animals. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:12, 17 June 2007 (EST)

Fixed. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

== Cool Page ==

I really like the design of this page! The pictures are awesome. :) [[User:Wingless earthbound|Wingless earthbound]] 14:13, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

== Trivial characters ==

There has been an increase of trivial characters added to this page that I think should be removed. Just because someone is mentioned in passing (e.g. Sam). doesn't make them a character. I think we need to limit this page to characters that matter to the plot. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:40, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:I agree, but how about we keep them on THIS page and take out the links in their name, since some of the characters (like Sarah's Jay) have all the information we currently have on them in their little boxes anyway. That way, we don't get redundant character pages that only have a sentence or two. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:18, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::I don't think they belong on this page even. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 21:16, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:Well, this ''is'' an encyclopdia. We've got to be comprehensive without being redundant. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:21, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:: I suppose you think we should have a character box for Rosencrantz, Gildenstern, Alestair Crowley and Pluto. All of those as as much LG15 characters as Sam, Jay and Gemma's flatmate. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 22:24, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::: As I see it, this is absolutely non-negotiable. There is no other Lonelygirl15 wiki and we have to be comprehensive. If you would like minor characters to be listed, rather than put in boxes, okay. But deleting minor characters is absolutely unacceptable. There's nowhere else that has the functionality to track the minutiae of the series -- that's our purpose. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:27, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::: There's no page about Crowley or Pluto?!?!? --[[User:Truncatedslinky|slinky]] 01:17, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Yes, there is a page about [[Aleister Crowley]], there's a page for [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]], but there's not a character box as their are not essentially characters. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|silverX3]] 10:23, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
Wel;l since everyone seems to think that trivial characters belong, I made a separate catagory for them since the don't meet with the criteria of "mentioned in several of the videos" for Unseen characters. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:37, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

=='Stuffed' Characters??==
I like the addition of Taylor's trolls, but since they aren't really 'stuffed,' is there a possible solution for the category with a misnomer-ish title? "Toy Characters" perhaps? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:27, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

:That's not a bad idea.. does anyone have any thoughts about this? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:25, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

== Official character colors ==

It has become apparent that we need to establish official colors for each character. That color should be used everywhere that color is used to represent character/actor, and should be unique to that actor. once established, I propse, that there should be a rule that no changes can be made unless there is a consensus after a minimum of 3 days of discussion on this page. Currently the colors are
{|
| Bree = '''[[Bree|DeepPink]]'''
| Daniel = '''[[Daniel|MidnightBlue]]'''
| Jonas = '''[[Jonas|DarkOrange]]'''
| OpAphid = '''[[OpAphid|#627d6d]]'''
|-
| Gemma = '''[[Gemma|CornflowerBlue]]'''
| Tachyon = '''[[Tachyon|#B7D5B9]]'''
| Brother = '''[[Brother|#61B167]]'''
| Nikki Bower = '''[[Nikki Bower|DarkViolet]]'''
|-
| Owen = '''[[Owen|Green]]'''
| P. Monkey = '''[[P. Monkey|Purple]]'''
| Thor = '''[[Thor|Crimson ]]'''
|Daniel's puppy = '''[[Daniel's puppy|Chocolate]]'''
|-
| Jules = '''[[Jules|LightSalmon]]'''
| Sarah = '''[[Sarah| #976]]'''
| Taylor = '''[[Taylor|SkyBlue]]'''
| Spencer = '''[[Spencer|LimeGreen]]'''
|-
| Lucy = '''[[Lucy|Orange]]'''
| Alex = '''[[Alex|Red]]'''
| Carl = '''[[Carl| DarkOliveGreen ]]'''
| Sonia = '''[[Sonia|Plum]]'''

|}
Please Propose any additions/Changes. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 06:45, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

:I support the idea that each character/actor has a unique color. That said, I also restate my opinion that I would like to see a bigger difference between Bree's and Jules' colors, since they are rather similar looking on the videolist. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:01, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

'''Ideas for Jules:''' 
'''lightsalmon''' 
'''lightcoral''' 
'''tomato''' 
'''palevioletred''' 
'''goldenrod''' 
'''darksalmon''' 
'''thistle''' 

:: I can get more if no one likes these.. but what do people think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:19, 3 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I was going to suggest '''salmon''', but '''lightsalmon''' is good too. How about '''LimeGreen''' for Spenser since '''Lime''' is too bright -[[User:Misty|misty]] 12:35, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Lightsalmon ('''CMJ''') and LimeGreen ('''LALR''') sound good to me! Any last minute objections, or should I go ahead and make the changes? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:34, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm happy with Lightsalmon and LimeGreen as well, even though I'm still wary about Spence's initial (but that's another story :) )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:44, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

::Okay, going ahead and making the changes! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:06, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

:: OK a couple more suggestions, Carl = '''DarkOliveGreen''' , Sarah = '''RosyBrown''' , Daniels Puppy = '''Chocolate''', Taylor's Troll Dolls = '''Fuchsia --[[User:Misty|misty]] 20:31, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:Cool colors, Misty! (But I like Sarah's current color) How do you even know those guys exist?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:11, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
well I'm going to interpret this as support for the changes, pheon it didn't seem to me you were trying to object to changing sarah, if i'm wrong correct me. SO I'm adding them to the list and with no objections I'll make the changes al around tomarrow -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:05, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
:I would have to say I agree with Pheon, I'm not crazy about the new Sarah color. I think we should stick with what we had for her. The rest look good! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:27, 10 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yes, to clarify, I'd ask to keep Sarah's colors as is. But I will say I enjoy the other changes --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:18, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Misty, I saw that you made the changes for Sarah's color, but I was under the impression that the consensus was to leave it as is? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 12:47, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

I have reverted Sarah's color, as the consensus was to leave it as is. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:25, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok we need to think about colors for the KM characters, and Warpylol needs a color I'm going to make suggestions tomorrow but I thought I would give someone else the chance to jump in first. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:05, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

:Okay, with KateModern, I actually made all the pages in that '''ae2301''' color on PURPOSE. I felt like it gave it some uniformity (and I know how much you like uniformity ;)) within the series and just kept everything neaty and tighty and.. from getting overly complicated. Maybe that color could become the official "KateModern Project" character color? And what about '''ForestGreen''' for War? I'm pretty sure we don't have that color yet... and it seems... "suiting"? Ugh I need to go to bed now, this probably wasn't terribly coherant, but hopefully it all made sense and sounds good :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:27, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

== Issac Gillman? ==

He should be under unseen characters, right? Yes, he has been "heard" in a voicemail, but that shouldn't count. I'm getting the official O.K. from everyone now before I do anything. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 19:28, 11 July 2007 (CDT)
:: I agree. I can also se the other side, he is after all dead., but personally I don't think the fact of his dying is merits promoting him to a higher catagory. -Misty[[User:Misty|misty]] 04:12, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
::: Exactly, I see what you mean. Love, [[User:-R-|-R-]] 04:15, 12 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Even though he isn't ''that'' noteworthy, he ''is'' deceased. If you put a deceased character in the unseen category, it totally defeats the purpose of categorizing characters. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:34, 17 July 2007 (CDT)

== The L is Missing ==

Maybe it is just my computer but the L in List is missing when i go on this because it is hidden or cut off. - [[Houdini]]
:Hmmm . . . I seem to be getting the same thing too.--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:21, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::The L is cut off on my computer as well. I think it is hidden. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 21:06, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

== Meep! ==

I added Daniel's grandma (as mentioned in [[Comfort Food]]) to the Trivial Characters section, and the characterboxes are now over to the right, and the Trivial Characters section is messed up. Help? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 14:07, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

== Deacons + unseen = meep! ==

I'm pretty sure that the Deacons are ''not'' unseen characters. Bree told us that the Deacons (and the Elders) were at [[the Ceremony]] (the fake Ceremony, that is), plus the individual Deacon that [[Kenneth Goodfried]] portrays is in [[On The Run]] and [[The Unthinkable Happened]], alongside [[Lucy]]. I'm going to move them to Guest Characters. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 10:02, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

== LaRezisto ==

I would add LaRezisto myself, but I'm not exactly sure where to put him (maybe Supporting Characters), and I would probably mess the whole page up. Help? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 00:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

== DB's folks ==

We did technically see an arm & shoulder of Daniel's dad. Does that move him and/or Daniel's parents from "Unseen" to "Guest" ?? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 11:00, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
:I think that merits Daniel's Dad to get moved to seen. --[[User:FH14|FH14]]

== Mallory ==
[[Image:0274-MallorySmiling-Cropped.jpg|thumb|right|125px|Mallory picture]]

If you need to promote [[Mallory]] from unseen to supporting then here is a cropped picture in the right ratio. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 17:50, 30 August 2007 (CDT)

--Has Mall always been a supporting char? or only after Daniel found that she was cheating on him? [[User:Surfthetsu|Surfthetsu]]

==Former Character Section?==
* The Supporting Characters Section is getting quite bulky. Maybe we could make a "former characters" section for characters who will most likely not appear in the series again but aren't deceased (i.e. Alex, Jules, amd *sob* Spencer; plus, it might be a better place to put OpAphid, Brother, and Tachyon.) What does everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 20:48, 10 September 2007 (EST)
:Added Section, though the alignment seems to be a bit off. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:35, 11 September 2007 (EST)
* Is the "Former Character" section considered tentative? I wondering why Mallory and Dr. Hart are in that category? (Mallory's story seems unresolved, she just kind of disappeared after her last video from Daniel's room. And although it did appear Dr. Hart was going to be captured at the end of Season 2, and he seemed to be saying his farewells, it is not conclusive that he was killed.) Maybe the category should be "Former or Inactive Characters" or something like that? ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]]
* All of the Former character have the "possibility" to return to the series. The person who played Dr. Hart said somewhere that Bloodlines Part 4 was his final episode, and Mallory hasn't appeared in over a month. Sure she might return, but so could Alex, Jules, Spencer, etc, as some could argue that their exit didn't provide much closure either. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:13, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Supporting Characters ==

So, I've been thinking about this a lot, and I've come to the conclusion that we have been a bit over-zealous as we've been adding characters to the "Supporting Characters" section. To me, a supporting character is someone who has "been in many video blogs" and "contribues to the plot". Just because Carla and Toby appeared in two video blogs, doesn't qualify them as significant supporting characters, imo. They were both cameo roles, and did not contribute a great deal to the plot either way. I mean, Watchers are still under guest characters, even though we've seen them a lot more, ''and'' they've contributed a great deal more to the plot. I just cannot see justification for Carla and Toby being up there. I also removed Jonas's parents from that list, at least for now. They seem to be phasing out as Emma moves on and joins TAAG. They have been only in a few videos, and just don't seem important enough for now to constitute a top-spot listing on the character page. Hey, I am actually hesistant about leaving Mallory up there, but I thought I would give her some time... I have a feeling she may grow into something more significant, so I didn't want to remove her just yet.

I was also kind of iffy on Barb, but she has appeared in a number of videos, and along with Carl and Sonia at Jonas's parent's house that one time. Depending on how much playtime she gets in the future, I might be able to see moving her down, but for now, I thought I'd leave her up there, since she seems to be part of the "young Hymn of Oneies" along with Carl and Sonia.

Anyways, I just wanted to explain my changes to you. I'd love to hear thoughts and feedback on this. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:15, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
:I agree, Zoey. We've been adding to the Supporting Characters section a lot lately. Currently these are the people that are in the section:
*[[Lucy]]
*[[Nikki Bower]]
*[[Carl]]
*[[Sonia]]
*[[Barb]]
*LaRezisto
*[[Emma]]
*[[Mallory]]
Actually, now I see that someone cleaned up the section. I'm fine with Lucy, Nikki B, Carl, Sonia, LaRezisto, Emma, and Mallory staying (Mallory's only been in two videos but I think she is something important). I mean, Barb ''has'' been in a lot of videos, but does she contribute to the plot as much as Carl or Sonia? I don't think so. She's just another Hymnie! And about Watchers... does anyone think that maybe instead of Barb we could have Watchers up there since we've seen like a million Watchers? I like the idea of it. [[User:72.95.224.117|72.95.224.117]] 10:49, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

::I'm fine with moving down Barb, if that's what people agree on. She was iffy for me, I wasn't sure. I wasn't trying to make an argument for moving Watchers up though. I think they're too... mysterious at this point. Plus, with [[Shadows]] coming in and all, who knows which Order members will be most important... oh, and also, they're like.. a group of people.. not just.. one person. And yeah, I don't think we should move Watchers up, but I'm okay with moving Barb down. What do y'all think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:46, 23 September 2007 (CDT)
::: I agree! And I'll be more careful about the KM people too - I got a bit overzealous earlier tonight! -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 16:19, 23 September 2007 (CDT)
:::: I still think that Watchers should be in the Supporting Characters section. Seriously... lately, Watchers have been popping up in just about every video - there's Watchers in KM now too (Michelle Clore's bodyguards)! Anyhow, Watchers have been around since GEMMA... think how long ago that was... and they still make regular appearances and contributions to the plot. Barb can be moved down, and replaced with Watchers? Also - a quick thing, I don't think Spencer's coming back. We should move him from Main Characters to Former Characters. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 08:58, 24 September 2007 (CDT)
::::: I agree with everything that has been said... well, except for the Barb thing (with the watchers I'm not leaning either way). She isn't just another Hymn of Oneian, (like Chris), she has appeared numerous times in Bree's recruitment videos and possibly was the fifth person at the table in "The Family Affair". Also, May I be so bold as to suggest that Emma be moved to the main character section? --{[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:44, 25 September 2007 (EST)

Thoughts:
:Barb, yes she's been in a few videos, but I'm actually thinking she should be taken down on further speculation. She hasn't really contributed to the plot. I mean, think of her compared to Carl or Sonia. She just isn't contributing enough yet. I think that for now, I'd move her down... and if she becomes a more prominent character in the future, it can be reconsidered then, methinks.

:Watchers still against this. They really are just a ''series'' of characters who lurk in the background. They dont contribute much to the plot other than scaring the group into running. With the Shadows and all the other crazy order members coming out of the woodworks, I just dont think Watchers need to be up on this list right now.

:Spencer - Yeah, he should be moved down to former characters and taken off the front page/top characters for the navigation bar etc. He will still be on the navigation bar though.. ugh this might be easier to just do and get opinions on after the fact.

:Emma - Not quite enough of her yet to officialy make her worthy of main characters.

:Now I need sleep. So I'll make some of these changes and we can talk on the talk page in the mean time. Just to get it up and see what everybody thinks. Can be reverted if there is serious objection tommorow for further discussion!

--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:33, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

==Status Changes==
Should Claire be added to Supporting Characters? She has had a major impact on the story, a few appearances, and a likelihood for a larger future role... what does everyone else think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 20:21, October 1 2007 (EST)
:EDIT: I'd also like to propose that Nikki Bower and Taylor be moved to former characters for now, seeing as they haven't been seen in a WHILE, until further notice. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:06, 4 October 2007 (EST)

==My List For Statuses==
I have prepared a whole list of characters for their "statuses" or categories, I guess. Here they are.
:Main Characters
::[[Daniel]], [[Jonas]], [[Sarah]], [[Emma]], and [[Mallory]]
:Supporting Characters
::[[Lucy]], [[Nikki Bower]], [[Carl]], [[Sonia]], [[Watcher|Watchers]], [[Claire]], and LaRezisto
:Missing or Deceased Characters
::[[Bree]], [[Bree's parents#Father|Drew Avery]], [[Gemma]], [[Alex's parents]], [[Daniel's grandma]], and [[Isaac Gilman]]
:Former Characters
::[[OpAphid]], [[Tachyon]], [[Brother]], [[Jules]], [[Taylor]], [[Alex]], and [[Spencer]]
:Stuffed Characters
::[[Purple Monkey]], [[Owen]], [[Thor]], [[The Other Monkey]], [[Daniel's puppy]], [[Taylor's Troll Dolls]], and [[the Dancing Turtle]]
:Guest Characters
::[[Bree's parents#Mother|Bree's mom]], [[Deacon|Deacons]], [[Random Girl]], [[The Cowboy (character)|the Cowboy]], [[The party guests#David|David]], [[The party guests#Damien|Damien]], [[Carla]], [[Toby]], [[The party guests#Beth|Beth]], [[The party guests#Will|Will]], [[The party guests#Finn|Finn]], [[The party guests#Claudia|Claudia]], [[The party guests#|Seth|Seth]], [[Cameron]], [[Rebecca]], [[Jennifer]], [[Barb]], [[Chris]], [[The Mistress (character)|the Mistress]], [[Terry (character)|Terry]], [[Shadow|Shadows]], [[Elder|Elders]], [[Swallow]], [[Jerry]], [[Jonas's parents|Jonas's dad]], [[Jonas's parents|Jonas's mom]], [[Jill]], [[Adopting couple|the adopting couple]], [[Daniel's parents|Daniel's dad]], [[Mark]], and [[Steve (lonelygirl15)|Steve]]
:Animal Characters
::[[Gemma's dog]], [[Sascha]], [[Warwalking|Kitty!]], [[Piglet]], [[Colossus]], [[Herman]], and [[Shadow of Death|the Coyote]]
:Unseen Characters
::[[Cassie]], [[Paul]], [[Andrea]], [[Daniel's parents|Daniel's mom]], [[Gemma's Mom|Gemma's mom]], [[Bree's parents#Bree's biological parents|Bree's birth parents]], [[Franklin]], [[Jules's Parents|Jules's parents]], [[Taylor and Sarah's Parents|Taylor and Sarah's parents]], [[Samantha|Taylor's BFF Sam]], [[Spencer's mom]], and [[Scott]]
:Trivial Characters
::[[Gemma's flatmate]], [[Gemma|Gemma's crush Sam]], [[Walter]], [[Kira]], [[Relationships#Sarah and Jay|Jay]], [[Relationships#Sarah and Jay|Vanessa]], [[Relationships#Sarah and the bartender|the bartender]], [[Relationships#Sarah and the bartender|Britanny]], [[Perry]], [[D-C-cubed]], [[Ira Cronenberg]], [[Jack]], [[Relationships#Sarah and Joe|Joe]], and [[Garett Lovett]]
:Ambiguous Mystery People
::[[Bukanator]]
So, I hope that helped a bit. Just my opinions.
::[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 14:25, 14 October 2007 (CDT)

==Watchers and Supporting Characters==
I know, there's about 15 sections discussing status changes, but because there's been so much desputing over The Watchers and Supporting Characters. Now I know Zoey's put her foot down about this because watchers are a group and not an individual character, and I agree with this. But I know some people are still strongly believe that the watchers belong there. I got to thinking, Maybe a separate page could be created for the Watcher played by Joe Rubin as, unlike other watchers, He's had a speaking part and had a somewhat individual involvement in the plot. I dunno. It's just an idea. I'd like to see what everyone else thinks. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 10:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)

==Recurring Character Section?==
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I finally decided to propose it: a Recurring Character Section. I know what some of you may be thinking: Supporting and Recurring Characters are the same thing. Well, some do consider them the same thing, but they can also be used to classify two different categories. If considered two categories, then ''Supporting Characters'' would be considered characters that appear a good amount and contribute to the plot, though not to the extent of the main characters. (i.e. Lucy, Nikki B, Sonia, Carl, etc.) ''Recurring Characters'' are characters who appear more than normal guest characters but have less of an impact than Supporting Characters. (i.e. Jonas's Parents, Chris, Barb, etc.) What does everyone else think? (BTW, even though I'm the one proposing this, I'm on the fence about it) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:02, 3 November 2007 (EST)
:I was acutally thinking about the same thing. '''Strong support.'''
::[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:08, 4 November 2007 (CST)
Eh, I'm not so sure about this... I kind of feel like we have WAY more sections than we need as is. I've actually been thinking of ways to ''condense'' the sections instead of expand them... but that's just me? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:30, 10 November 2007 (CST)

== Condensing the Character List ==

In my opinion, the character list is a mess. We have so many categories that overlap, it's just a nightmare to try and figure out where to put things. So I want to simplify it. Here are my thoughts:
*We should combine former characters with the Missing and Deceased characters into one big "Former Characters" category with a description of "For various reasons, these former characters no longer appear in the series." That way we don't have to worry about whether they're dead or not, we just know that they're not appearing in the series anymore. And we can also get rid of all those ugly boxes with the "No picture available" and just move them down to unseen characters, where they really do belong, as they are unseen. We, as an audience, have no real emotional connection to them.
*I'm having a tough time understanding the difference between unseen and trivial characters. I just.. where do you draw the line? And how do you know? I mean, Gemma's mom is pretty trivial at this point in the story, but back then for all we know she could have developed into more. I think it makes most sense to just combine the two and not worry about how significant they are, otherwise we're going to drive ourselves nuts on a case-by-case situation.
*I also think we should better define what makes a character as far as Animal Characters and Stuffed Characters goes. My thoughts:
**P Monkey, Owen, and Thor were characters. they were Bree's friends. She gave them names and personalities. T.O.M., Daniel's puppy, Taylor's troll dolls, and The Dancing Turtle, they were props. They were gifts, they were something to snuggle with at night maybe. But they were just toys. They had no names, they were not personified in any way. They were not characters.
**For animal characters, the same thing should apply that does for human characters. A person's pet or an animal they have a significant emotional attatchment to is a character. A random kitty you see on the side of the street isn't. Like if Bree pointed at someone and said tall! that wouldnt make "Tall man" a character. It would just make him someone she observed.

I think these changes will help clean up the page and make it more understandable to new people who are trying to make sense of things. I'd love to hear your thoughts before I go ahead and make the changes though, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:53, 10 November 2007 (CST)
:I see what you mean. Here's my take on it:
::1) I agree that the trivial and unseen characters should be combined.
::2) Maybe we could create a condensed list page of characters... that sounded weird... I mean like how most of the party guests don't have their own page, and their info is on the party guests page... ugh... I'm having a hard time explaining this. I'm going to try to design what I'm trying to say on my sandbox... --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:01, 10 November 2007 (EST)
::Okay. Basically, [[User:FH14/sandbox|here]]'s what I'm suggesting for the Stuffed Characters, and maybe others... --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:50, 10 November 2007 (EST)
Hm, I'm not really sure how I feel about that actually. I feel like characters ''should'' be a total comprehensive list. I just think we need to define what makes a character. I mean, how is Daniel's puppy any more of a character than... Jonas's boxing gloves? Or his guitar? I mean, that just doesn't make sense to me. I'm also not crazy about dividing the guest characters into season one and season two, because there's already a fair amount of overlap and... how do we treat those characters? I feel like that will get messy and end up making things harder instead of easier... that's just me though. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:14, 10 November 2007 (CST)
::I actually agree with you on the guest characters thing (I was just seeing how it would look). Random Thought: Maybe there should be a non-human character section combining the Animal and Stuffed Character Sections. Maybe There should be a "Props" page too. I'm sorry, I'm rambling X_X --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:36, 10 November 2007 (EST)
:::Non-human characters isn't a bad idea! But I still think we need to stick with what the definition of a character actually is. And I think props page would probably be taking things too far. Can you imagine? Every single prop that appears in a video? Eek, my brain aches just thinking of all the trouble that could cause.. :X --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 15:41, 10 November 2007 (CST)

== New Look ==

Looks awesome! Love the former characters and non-human characters, but why is Virgil a supporting character? And is there a reason we don't have the picture of [[Gemma's dog]] and [[Herman]] the squirrel? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:21, 16 November 2007 (CST)

== Chris ==

Should Chris be moved to Supporting Characters? His role has been semi-prominent lately... What does everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:06, 18 November 2007 (EST)
*I don't know, I think he should be at the same level as Barb. [[User:72.95.224.117|72.95.224.117]] 12:00, 22 November 2007 (CST)
:I agree that he's not a supporting character yet, he needs to be in more videos first. The supporting characters need to have a certain prominence in the overall storyline in order to get there, if you ask me. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 19:04, 24 November 2007 (CST)

== Mallory and Taylor ==

So I know some people have been pushing to bump Taylor up to "Main Characters" but I do not think this is accurate. She is currently a supporting character. She posts vidoes from Zavalla giving them advice, but she's not a main member of TAAG, she's not actually /living/ the drama. And I know that right now everyone is seperated, but really, they all call California home right now, but Taylor, she doesn't. I just see her as a supporting character.

That said, I actually think it's time to move Mallory down to a supporting character as well. Right now she just exists to be Daniel's girlfriend... "Support" his role. She's not fighting the Order really, she's off doing her own life and just pops up to do girlfriendly things. I don't really know how to explain it better than that, but really, she ''has'' dropped to supporting in my mind.

So I think I'm going to move Mallory down to supporting... and I'm actually going to move Virgil down to guest again. Because unless he comes back and starts appearing in more videos long term, he could only even ''possibly'' be considered "supporting" during his own arc. In fact, I suppose there's always the chance that if Mallory leaves after she and Daniel break up (I'm sure Daniel will realize she's having an affair... ahem xD) then she might need to be moved down too. But since we originally treated her as "main" I say we can give her the benefit of the doubt for now and put her at supporting.

But yeah, basically I think supporting characters should be characters who outlast their one arc (and popping in for a quick cameo here and there after said arc doesn't really count) and contribute to the story long term. Just my thoughts.

I'll make the changes, but certainly feel free to reply with your thoughts! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:44, 29 November 2007 (CST)

:I agree that Mallory and Taylor are definately more of supporting roles at this point. The supporting role definately needs to be defined, as there are many characters that are in a gray area between supporting and guest. The biggest one I see is Jonas's parents. If they appear again, I'm tempted to say that they should be moved up to supporting. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 08:01, 6 December 2007 (EST)

== Carl, Sonia, and Jennie ==

I think based on what we've seen lately (including the [[Jonas Conference Call]] and the behind the scenes holiday photos), we should make some changes to the character page. I think Carl should be moved down from supporting characters, as he's not really a major supporting character, and hasn't been for some time (not since Bree's death). I also think we should move Sonia down to "Former Characters," as based on the Jonas Phone Call, she seems to have vanished, possibly long term. I also think we should move Jennie up to Supporting Characters, as she was in the holiday BTS photos, which implies that she's going to be sticking around... and she's also made a bunch of solo video blogs lately, so it really does seem that she's going to be a stronger character coming up. Actually, based on the BTS photos, we might eventually end up moving both Jennie and Mallory up to Main Characters... but I think we should wait and see what happens before doing that. Let me know your thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:40, 21 December 2007 (CST)

EDIT: You know, upon further thought, I'm actually thinking that maybe we should move [[Dr. Calvin Hart]] up to supporting characters too. And maybe it ''is'' time to make a recurring characters section... which I would propose includes [[Lucy]], [[Carl]], and both of [[Jonas's parents]]. I'm going to look at the list one more time just to be sure... but yeah, this is what I'm thinking about right now... thoughts? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:53, 21 December 2007 (CST)

:Sounds good, but what makes Lucy more of a recurring character than Sonia?
:Also, I wouldn't consider Mallory's appearance on that pic as any sign of a long-term commitment - while I am part of the fraction that voted "yes", it could also be just a "current cast" snapshot, and Mallory gets written out next month...
:Not saying it happens that way, I just think that the opposite way might've been an unwanted spoiler - i.e. if Mallory has already been written out, and they hadn't put her on the picture, people would've started asking "why isn't Mallory on the christmas pic? Hmm, guess she doesn't return then :(".
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:50, 21 December 2007 (CST)
:I completely agree with this proposal. Though about the recurring character section, should Chris, Virgil, and (possibly) Claudia be included as well? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 22:36, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Regarding...

Mallory - I agree, she may not be around... or she may. That's why I think she should stay a supporting character until we can see long-term where she stands.

Sonia - I would consider Sonia a "former" character for a few reasons. Unlike Lucy, who often pops up unannounced and then leaves for long chunks of time, Sonia was featured heavily and then just vanished. Also, on the [[Jonas Conference Call]], someone specifically asked about Sonia's whereabouts, and Jonas answered with a vague "I don't hear from her anymore" kind of an answer. To me, that kind of implied that she wasn't sticking around. However, if she comes back, we can always un-former her.

Chris/Claudia - I do not really think Chris and Claudia can count as "Recurring" to the same extent as Carl does. Carl has played a much more prominent role in the story for a much longer time. Those two just seem like.. current supporting characters to me, not really recurring (they haven't been around very long at all, they aren't the ones whose names are mentioned... like when Jennie [[Procreating on Peyote|mentions]] kissing Carl and his black aura, etc). I don't think, at this point, we can really consider them recurring, but maybe with time that will change.

Virgil - I agree, good call.

--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)

::Here's a sample of what it could look like with the proposed changes: [[User:FH14/Sandbox]] --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 02:39, 23 December 2007 (EST)

:::My thoughts on the following characters:

:::Mallory - She should stay at supporting unless her roll is increasingly less and less, she might be moved to Recurring (which should really be created) or even Former, if need be.

:::Sonia - She was once a supporting character. However, from the Jonas Conference Call, it sort of seemed like she's not going to be on the show anymore. Move her to Former. However, if she comes back a few times, move her to Recurring.

:::Chris/Claudia/Carl - They can be at Recurring, just as Carl can be.

:::Virgil - Recurring.

:::Lucy - Recurring.

:::Nikki - Recurring.

:::Jonas's parents - Recurring.

::::[[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 13:13, 23 December 2007 (CST)
:::::Nikki seems to best fall under supporting actually. She posts her own videos and has a lot of camera time. (Plus, I think there'd be a outcry if Nikki were moved down to recurring. As for Chris and Claudia, Chris is borderline at this point, as there is a strong argument for either guest or recurring at this point. Claudia really hasn't had enough camera time or significance beyond the number of times she has appeared to merit recurring. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 12:51, 24 December 2007 (EST)
::I like the above characters to be "recurring" (which should probably be created soon) that Silver mentions. I also think we need Jennie as either Supporting or maybe-even main character (seeing as she's been posting a good amount of vids and she's got a Forum-name and she'll be giving a chat today) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:41, 2 January 2008 (CST)

Okay, I am really opposed to having Chris and Claudia as recurring. Recurring means they are significant characters who keep coming back with a variety of story arcs. Claudia has only been around for this story arc and Chris has never been a significant character until this story arc... heck, I don't even think he's a significant character IN this story arc... more like a recurring character within the story arc. Heh, yeah I actually kind of like that. They are so minor that they are just recurring characters in ONE story arc. They just don't make sense to me in the "Recurring" section at all! (Sorry if this didn't make much sense.. I'm really tired, I'll try to clarify in the morning if it was confusing... but yeah... hopefully I got across what I was trying to say!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:12, 11 January 2008 (CST)
:Agreed Zoey. But due to recent developments, some of the categories where we deemed characters should be have merited change. (Sorry if that sounded odd, I'm not 100% right now :P)
::Lucy - Due to her recent surge of activity, I think we should leave her as supporting for now at least.
::Nikki Bower - Now that she's popping up even less than before, I'm tempted to say that she should be recurring.
::Taylor - Leave her as supporting for now, seeing as she just made a new video, but if she goes two weeks without posting another, maybe she should be moved to recurring.
::Mallory - If she doesn't reappear in the next week, I say she should be moved to former. Her last mention was rather... final...
::Jennie - She's a main character on the main page, so I'm going to go ahead and move her up on this page too.
::Carl - Same as Lucy
::Virgil, Jonas's parents - Recurring as before
::Gina, Chris - they should stay guest for the time being, until they merit activity and relevance considerable enough for moving up.
::Jack - I added him to guest because footage of him was seen in Taylor's video (other non-canon-in-canon-context characters are listed under guest also (Jerry, Jennifer)) If he appears interacting in a canon video, or is deemed canon by the creators, he should be moved to supporting. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:05 14 January 2008 (EST)
==Gina==
Gina does not belong in guest characters, she is with TAAG, and she is just too important. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:TraverseTown123|TraverseTown123]] ([[User talk:TraverseTown123|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TraverseTown123|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

:As of now Gina's only been in a few videos and hasn't had a major role. You're right that she probably is going to be important, but maybe we should wait until Season 3 starts to determine exactly where to place her.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:54, 28 January 2008 (CST)

==Guest Characters==
First of all... this list is quite lengthy and could be livened up with pictures (seeing as we have actually seen these people)

Secondly... I think this should either be put in alphebetic order or significance...because right now it just looks disorganized. --[[User:Kericanfly|Kericanfly]] 11:13, 30 January 2008 (CST)
:The reason there aren't picture is because the page would get unruly and take forever to load. Anyone that has been seen has a picture on their character page. I've tried alphabetizing things before, and everytime it gets reverted. Maybe someone else would be better to answer that question, as I'm quite curious myself. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:41, 30 January 2008 (CST)
::The Order they are in is the order they have appeared in. Alphabetizing creates more work every time a new guest is added because the list has to be re-formated. Also, order of significance is a debatable issue that could cause a problem in the future. I think the lack of pictures has something to do with the size of the page, but I can't be sure. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

== Unseen Characters ==

Not all of the unseen characters are unseen anymore.
Paul and Andrea were seen in the episode Missing Friends and haven't at least part of Daniel's parents been seen on camera at some point? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]]

:As the Paul and Andrea seen in [[Missing Friends]] were fanfic characters who received shoutouts moreso than actual official characters who were made by [[the Creators]], we decided to leave them as unseen. Also, since we only ever saw Daniel's dad's arm, we decided to leave him as unseen as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:27, 3 February 2008 (CST)

::Except that you are not considering that P&A are real show characters regardless. They were originally mentioned and then they were shown in the show. What exactly P&A is according to their LGpedia page is ambiguous as to how much creator-input and interaction went into their show so I don't think they can be dismissed as 100% fanfic either. A regular shoutout of mentioning a fan is one thing but showing people as being characters who have been mentioned on the show in the past is something different. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]]

:::Paul and Andrea are real characters, but Paulmark18 is a fanfic creation. To suggest otherwise is akin to saying that cassieiswatching is official because Bree mentioned that her friend Cassie used to say "I was here." ..Which would also make itscassie official, for that matter. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:34, 3 February 2008 (CST)

::::Bree never flashed a picture of Cassieiswatching on the screen when talking about Cassie, Daniel flashed a picture of Pm18 when talking about P&A. Therefore, fanfic or not, Pm18 and canon P&A became one in the same while ciw and Bree's Cassie remain different entities. This was the point I was trying to make why this is different than all the others. PS thank you for all the work you do here Zoey, you don't get enough thanks. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]]

Currently, it says, "Garett Lovett - A boy who Mallory once kissed." It might be easier to list the ones she hasn't kissed - just a thought. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]]

::Seriously, back when the show didn't have that many episodes listing anyone ever even mention off-hand is one thing, but now that were in the number of hundreds of episodes it just doesn't make sense to mention inconsequential characters like Garett who play no role what-so-ever besides getting a quick mention but no purpose.

== Carl to recurring ==

He isn't notable enough right now for supporting

==Merging of Supporting and Recurring==
I know, I know, if you read the rest of this page you can see that I was the main advocate for a recurring section and now I'm contradicting myself. It's just that the page seems so cluttered now. I'm proposing a merge of the two sections, (not sure what to call it at the present moment), into one supporting/recurring block. This would also broaden the definition of "Supporting" (''These supporting characters have been seen in many of the videos. Some of them videoblog, while others are not videobloggers but still contribute to the plot. Some are not always around, but they reappear often, and influence the story when they do.'') I have an example of what I'm proposing on my [[User:FH14/Sandbox|Sandbox]] (I know, Gina's under main, I was testing to see how that would look). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 25 February 2008 (EST)

==Character Images==
I fuss over this section a lot don't I? I was just going to point out that recently we've had a lot of press photos provided for the lgpedia, and they could be put to use the way they have in the KateModern Section.
Proposed Images:
<gallery>Image:Gina Season3.jpg
Image:Emma Season3.jpg
Image:Jonas Season3-2.jpg
Image:Sarah Season3.jpg
Image:Taylor Season3.jpg</gallery>
Also, we have Images from Season two that were never put to use:
<gallery>Image:Daniel3.jpg
Image:Jonas3.jpg
Image:Mallory2.jpg
Image:Sarah01.jpg
Image:Lucy.jpg</gallery>
:Please Note: I would manipulate the images myself, but I don't have the programs required to do it well.
Another thing, After seeing the KateModern Character page, I think that maybe we should stick with the image shape that is currently used on this page, as opposed to making them square like on the KateModern Character page, because the images seem to take up a lot of space and make the page seem less compact, but that's just me. Thoughts? Suggestions? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:48, 16 March 2008 (EST)

:Well, here's my two cents: I like a healthy variety. That doesn't mean I don't like uniformity, because I love how all the character pages are the current season 3 press photos. But seeing that the the current images on the Character page are the same as those on the LG Portal, I do beleive we have room for variety (like you said, there's plenty of images that don't go into use).

:So that said, I wouldn't want to see the Season 3 Press Photos used ''again'', and I'm not a fan of the Season 2 press photos being used (with the possible exception of Mallory, who we're probably not going to see again). Maybe some fresher photos from the videos? (not likely, but that ''is'' how we used to get them, we'd wait till we found the best shots!) The key is asthetics, its all a matter of what looks right. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 12:34, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

::The season 2 images have already been discussed and the season 3 images, because of their ratio, could not be modified in a way that looked good on this page. I think we're much better off finding some solid images from videos and updating this section with them. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:52, 21 March 2008 (CDT)

After months of messing around with getting the right shots, I think I may finally have figured something out. Personally, I really like them, but I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:30, 22 March 2008 (CDT)

== Steve - supporting character? ==

I know Steve technically is a guest character from KM, but he's not a minor character and he's in loads of videos, and posted some. Shouldn't he count as a current supporting character? [[User:Bobby G|Bobby G]] 17:57, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

:Nope, because he's not. He is not a supporting character of LG15, he's a main character of a series LG15 is crossing over with.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:54, 3 May 2008 (CDT)

Oh, OK. But doesn't that mean the description of guest characters needs changing? Because it doesn't suit Steve at all, he's much more major than that, and he is currently supporting the TAAG (well that might change as of Alone in the Woods, but still)? [[User:81.152.148.104|81.152.148.104]] 06:49, 4 May 2008 (CDT)

The Road to Manchester

2008-04-30T22:15:38Z

81.152.149.4: I've checked the video - he says Mancunians, funny as Mankyunions would be.

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| number = 188
| image = KM188-LeePresenter.jpg
| caption = Join our fantastic road show!
| blogger = Julia
| date = 20080225
| url = {{KM|233}}
| forumid = 593
| length = 3:27
| description = The nationwide Lee Phillips tour has begun! Our first big event didn’t go exactly to plan and I’m posting this to shame Gavin who I hold responsible.
| location = [[JTV road trip locations#Manchester|Manchester]], [[JTV road trip locations#Leeds|Leeds]], [[JTV road trip locations#Edinburgh|Edinburgh]], [[JTV road trip locations#Hotel Rooms|Hotel Rooms]]
| tags = {{tags|KateModern|LG15|lonelygirl15|Julia}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett and Greg Goodfried
| coexecprod = Joanna Shields and Amanda Goodfried
| serprod = Pete Gibbons
| lineprod = Kelly Brett
| pc = Claire Finbow
| ic = Jonathan Almond
| pr = Meryl Iona Edwards
| directors = Yusuf Pirhasan
| headwriter = Luke Hyams
| vidplay = Neil Mossey and Lawrence Tallis
| story = Luke Hyams, Neil Mossey, and Lawrence Tallis
| editor = Yusuf Pirhasan
| song = 'Sevilla' by Arthur Yoria

| cast =
{{VidChar|Julia}}
{{VidChar|Lee}}
{{VidChar|Gavin}}
{{VidChar|Charlie}}

| Previous = Who Are The FTO?
| Next = Mini Bah
| PreviousB = Stiff Upper Lip
| NextB = Nuts and Needles
| PreviousC = KateModern S2 Week 6 Recap

| KM = yes
}}
==Transcript==
(''Charlie, Gavin, Julia, and Lee are packed into Charlie's [[KateModern product placement|Aygo]], heading out of London''.)

'''Gavin:''' Madame Tussauds.

'''Lee:''' Is that a brothel?

'''Gavin:''' Yes, Lee, it's a brothel. It's a big wax brothel. Here we go, down the A40.

'''Julia:''' Woo!

'''Charlie:''' I go straight here...

'''Gavin:''' We're getting out of London! Here we go!

(''The car passes under a sign and Gavin claps. Cut to Gavin struggling with a road map outside of the car. Cut to Gavin sleeping on Julia's shoulder. His head slips lower until it gets close to her breast, and she smacks his head away. Cut to Julia taking lunch boxes out of a bag. She hands one to Lee''.)

'''Julia:''' Give that to Charlie?

'''Lee:''' That can't have peanut butter, or else I'm dead.

'''Gavin:''' Well, that- that'd be a real shame. Tragic.

(''Cut to Gavin sleeping while Julia begins wrapping gauze around his head. Cut to Charlie smiling in the rear-view mirror at Julia, who has Gavin's head completely covered in gauze. Julia puts bandages over Gavin's nose and mouth. Cut to Gavin looking wildly around, still in the gauze. He rips the gauze off of his head and everyone laughs. Cut to a shot of outside at sundown. Cut to a shot of Manchester''.)

'''Gavin:''' This is Manchester! I'm coming home! Oh, honestly, when you see my mates from home, they'll- they'll letch. You'll love 'em.

(''Cut to Lee standing by a table at the back of Charlie's car, wearing a pair of guitar sunglasses''.)

'''Lee:''' Hello there, and welcome to Artifacts or Crap, In Fact! Our antiques roadshow where people on the street must identify our priceless piece of Manchurian Memorabilia from amongst our table of tat. Will you be able to tell the difference between Morrissey's library card and my Morrisons card? Do you know your Oasis from your Topshop? If you do, you could be in line to win a stackload of cash as we take our antiques to auction! Let's meet the contestants!

(''Lee motions and the camera pans to across the street, where a bunch of elderly women are walking.'')

'''Lee:''' Hey. You don't think it's a bit dodgy, do you? Scouser in Manchester, surrounded by all of these tough-looking Mancunians. I might get battered! (''Laughs''.)

'''Julia:''' I think you'll be fine.

'''Lee:''' Yeah, well, don't think I'm gonna get beaten up by Gavin's mates, though, do you?

'''Gavin:''' Yeah, sure.

'''Lee:''' Oh, come on, Gavin, tell everybody why I'm not gonna get beaten up by your mates.

'''Gavin:''' I mean it, Lee, sure, seriously.

'''Lee:''' Oh, god. The ''reason'' why I am not going to be beaten up by Gavin's mates is because none of them have shown up! (''Laughs''.)

'''Gavin:''' Alright. Cheers, mate.

'''Lee:''' Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or maybe he made them all up as well, eh? You got no mates up here, either, Gavin.

'''Gavin:''' Alright, it's not actually ''my'' fault there's no one here. Blame the producer.

'''Julia:''' Oh, shutup, Gavin!

'''Gavin:''' Yeah?

'''Lee:''' No, come on, Julia, if we had have gone to Liverpool like I said, all of my friends and family would have turned up.

'''Gavin:''' Yeah, only because they'd be trying to nick all the stuff.

'''Julia:''' Oh, come on, children, put your donnies back in the pram. Gavin, help him with his mike, will you? Charlie, you know this is gonna be a nightmare with these two all week.

(''Charlie looks at her watch as loud banging is heard from behind the camera. Julia turns around to find Gavin attacking Lee, with the table of items knocked onto the sidewalk''.)

'''Julia:''' Oh! Oi! What is th- Charlie, take the (inaudible)

'''Charlie:''' Okay.

(''Gavin has Lee in a headlock as Julia approaches them''.)

'''Julia:''' What have you done?

'''Gavin:''' (''Looks at the broken table and items''.) Well it was a stupid idea for a show, anyway. (''Lets Lee go''.)

'''Julia:''' Thanks, Gavin.

'''Gavin:''' Well it was, wasn't it?

(''Julia picks up the broken pieces of a cookie jar''.)

'''Julia:''' You've broken Mick Hucknall's cookie jar. (''Gavin and Lee laugh''.) It's not funny! This cost a lot.

'''Gavin:''' (inaudible)

'''Julia:''' (''Threatens Gavin with a shard from the jar''.) Don't push it!

'''Charlie:''' Right, just leave it. Let's go.

==Notes==
*This video reveals that Lee has an allergic reaction to peanut butter.
*{{Wikipedia|Madame_Tussauds|Madame Tussauds}} is a famous wax museum in London, with many branches elsewhere in the world. Lee likely asks whether it is a brothel due to having "Madame" in the name.
*{{Wikipedia|Morrissey}}, {{Wikipedia|Oasis_(band)|Oasis}} and {{Wikipedia|Mick_Hucknall|Mick Hucknall}} and are famous musical acts from Manchester.
*Morrisons is a supermarket and Oasis and Top shop are high street clothing stores.
*The phrase "put your donnies back in the pram" means "put your hands back in the stroller", emphasizing that Julia thinks Gavin and Lee are acting like babies.
*A Scouser is a person from Liverpool and a Mancunian is a person from Manchester. There is a long standing rivalry between Manchester and Liverpool.

List of KateModern videos/Season 2

2008-04-30T15:06:31Z

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===Return to "Normal"===
<li>[[Back to Brick Lane]] {{Init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Trouble on Brick Lane]] {{Init|Julia}}
<li>[[I Miss You...]] {{Init|Charlie}}
<li>[[HoO What When Where How?]] {{Init|Julia}}
<li>[[Prime Suspect]] {{Init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 1 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[East London]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[33 DAYS TILL LAUNCH!!]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[It's Hymn!]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Internet Celebrity Revealed]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Flowers]] {{init|Gavin}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 2 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Kate's Memorial Service]] {{init|Julia}}

===The Investigation Begins===
<li>[[Help, I Need Somebody!]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Man on a Mission]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[What Does Patricia Know?]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Don't Bring The Goons]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Enter The FTO]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern Season 2 Week 3 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[BACK TO BUSINESS]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Self-Help section]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Mates]] {{init|Gavin}}

===Back to Work===
<li>[[Julia Incredible]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Drive Goo]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Arma-goo-den]] {{init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern Season 2 Week 4 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[2008 Will Not Suck]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[On The Job]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Here Aygo!]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Boobcast]] {{init|Julia}}

===Adventures with Van Helden===
<li>[[Rupert]] {{init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 5 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Sausage Sangas]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Group Hug]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Scene of the Crime]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Stiff Upper Lip]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Who Are The FTO?]] {{init|Steve}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 6 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Road Trip===
<li>[[The Road to Manchester]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Mini Bah]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Nuts and Needles]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Night Terrors]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Touch the Toyota]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Her Alibi]] {{init|Lee}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 7 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[You Gotta Go]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Terry]] {{init|Steve}}

===The Working Life===
<li>[[WC ONE]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Temper Temper]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Scouting For Boys]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 8 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[The Ex Factor]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Credible?]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Office Chaos]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Brighton Beach]] {{init|Gavin}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 9 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Finding the Girls on the List===
<li>[[Who Killed Kate?]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Can You Keep a Secret?]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[MERRY-GO-ROUND]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Half the Week Away]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[The Easter Party]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Lauren (video)|Lauren]] {{init|Steve}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 10 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Doorstepping]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Batwoman]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Bust Incredible]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[The Weekend Starts Here?]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 11 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[let my sister go]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Message to Lauren]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[A Call From Kate?]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[The Killer is Dead]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 12 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Precious Blood===
<li>[[Precious Blood: 11AM]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 12PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 1PM]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 2PM]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 3PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 4PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 5PM]] {{init|Terrence}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 6PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 7PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 8PM]] {{init|Terrence}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 9PM]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 10PM]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 10:30PM]] {{init|Terrence}}
 [[KateModern: Precious Blood Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Recouping===
<li>[[The Day of the Eternal Song]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[The Drugs Do Work]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Happy Food]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Infested]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Mrs Van Helden?]] {{init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 13 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Voicemail]] {{init|Gavin}}

===The Crossover Begineth===
<li>[[Bang Out of Order]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Called To Arms]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Lord Carruthers]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Special Relationship?]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[My Couch - My Rules!]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 14 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[LA To LDN]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Hunting The Elder]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Raise The Roof]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[What Is She Saying?]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Outta Here]] {{init|Steve}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 15 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===In America===
<li>[[Crazy Border Crossing!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hot Tacos]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Computer Penetration]] {{init|Daniel}}
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*[[#Return to "Normal"|Return to "Normal"]] 
*[[#The Investigation Begins|The Investigation Begins]] 
*[[#Back to Work|Back to Work]] 
*[[#Adventures with Van Helden|Adventures with Van Helden]] 
*[[#Road Trip|Road Trip]] 
*[[#The Working Life|The Working Life]] 
*[[#Finding the Girls on the List|Finding the Girls on the List]] 
*[[#Precious Blood|Precious Blood]] 
*[[#Recouping|Recouping]] 
*[[#The Crossover Begineth|The Crossover Begineth]] 
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List of KateModern videos/Season 2

2008-04-30T15:05:54Z

81.152.149.4: spelling

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===Return to "Normal"===
<li>[[Back to Brick Lane]] {{Init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Trouble on Brick Lane]] {{Init|Julia}}
<li>[[I Miss You...]] {{Init|Charlie}}
<li>[[HoO What When Where How?]] {{Init|Julia}}
<li>[[Prime Suspect]] {{Init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 1 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[East London]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[33 DAYS TILL LAUNCH!!]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[It's Hymn!]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Internet Celebrity Revealed]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Flowers]] {{init|Gavin}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 2 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Kate's Memorial Service]] {{init|Julia}}

===The Investigation Begins===
<li>[[Help, I Need Somebody!]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Man on a Mission]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[What Does Patricia Know?]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Don't Bring The Goons]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Enter The FTO]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern Season 2 Week 3 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[BACK TO BUSINESS]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Self-Help section]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Mates]] {{init|Gavin}}

===Back to Work===
<li>[[Julia Incredible]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Drive Goo]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Arma-goo-den]] {{init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern Season 2 Week 4 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[2008 Will Not Suck]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[On The Job]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Here Aygo!]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Boobcast]] {{init|Julia}}

===Adventures with Van Helden===
<li>[[Rupert]] {{init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 5 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Sausage Sangas]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Group Hug]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Scene of the Crime]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Stiff Upper Lip]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Who Are The FTO?]] {{init|Steve}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 6 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Road Trip===
<li>[[The Road to Manchester]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Mini Bah]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Nuts and Needles]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Night Terrors]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Touch the Toyota]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Her Alibi]] {{init|Lee}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 7 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[You Gotta Go]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Terry]] {{init|Steve}}

===The Working Life===
<li>[[WC ONE]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Temper Temper]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Scouting For Boys]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 8 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[The Ex Factor]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Credible?]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Office Chaos]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Brighton Beach]] {{init|Gavin}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 9 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Finding the Girls on the List===
<li>[[Who Killed Kate?]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Can You Keep a Secret?]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[MERRY-GO-ROUND]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Half the Week Away]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[The Easter Party]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Lauren (video)|Lauren]] {{init|Steve}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 10 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Doorstepping]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Batwoman]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Bust Incredible]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[The Weekend Starts Here?]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 11 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[let my sister go]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Message to Lauren]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[A Call From Kate?]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[The Killer is Dead]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 12 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Precious Blood===
<li>[[Precious Blood: 11AM]] {{init|Gavin}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 12PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 1PM]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 2PM]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 3PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 4PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 5PM]] {{init|Terrence}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 6PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 7PM]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 8PM]] {{init|Terrence}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 9PM]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 10PM]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Precious Blood: 10:30PM]] {{init|Terrence}}
 [[KateModern: Precious Blood Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===Recouping===
<li>[[The Day of the Eternal Song]] {{init|Julia}}
<li>[[The Drugs Do Work]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Happy Food]] {{init|Lee}}
<li>[[Infested]] {{init|Charlie}}
<li>[[Mrs Van Helden?]] {{init|Julia}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 13 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[Voicemail]] {{init|Gavin}}

===The Crossover Begineth===
<li>[[Bang Out of Order]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Called To Arms]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Lord Carruthers]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Special Relationship?]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[My Couch - My Rules!]] {{init|Charlie}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 14 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}
<li>[[LA To LDN]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Hunting The Elder]] {{init|Steve}}
<li>[[Raise The Roof]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[What Is She Saying?]] {{init|Lauren}}
<li>[[Outta Here]] {{init|Steve}}
 [[KateModern S2 Week 15 Recap]] {{init|Sophie}}

===In America===
<li>[[Crazy Border Crossing!!]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hot Tacos]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Computer Penetration]] {{init|Daniel}}
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*[[#Return to "Normal"|Return to "Normal"]] 
*[[#The Investigation Begins|The Investigation Begins]] 
*[[#Back to Work|Back to Work]] 
*[[#Adventures with Van Helden|Adventures with Van Helden]] 
*[[#Road Trip|Road Trip]] 
*[[#The Working Life|The Working Life]] 
*[[#Finding the Girls on the List|Finding the Girls on the List]] 
*[[#Precious Blood|Precious Blood]] 
*[[#Recouping|Recouping]] 
*[[#The Crossover Beginith|The Crossover Beginith]] 
*[[#In America|In America]]

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Plot holes

2008-01-18T11:45:37Z

81.152.108.221: /* LaRezisto image puzzle */

There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of [[the Creators]]. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.

==Infinite clothes==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?</div>
:'''Possible solution''': When Bree and [[Daniel]] first went on the run from [[the Order]] in [[On The Run]], they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in [[Homeless]], when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that [[Tachyon]] told them about, they went to [[Jonas's house]]. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.

==No mention of the Gilmans==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Bree and [[Bree's parents#Father|her father]] were going to go see [[Isaac Gilman|Isaac]] and [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]], why didn't Bree say anything to [[Jonas]] or [[Daniel]] later?</div>
:'''Possible solution''': Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.

==No mention of later injections==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?</div>

==Contradicting accounts of Cassie's departure==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?</div>

==Invisible money==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?</div>
:'''Possible solution''': He doesn't. It has been suggested this is how the Order keeps finding them - although one should keep in mind that there were always other reasons presented in the series, such as bugged cars, traced cellphones or treasonous aunts.

==Gemma's warning about Watchers==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?</div>
:'''Possible solution''': Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in [[Subjects Apprehended]], it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.

:'''Possible solution 2''': Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance of influencing her later.

:'''Possible solution 3''': In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.

==Bree Has A Cell Phone==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How is it possible for Bree to have a cell phone? Who has been paying for it all these months her parents been gone?</div>
:'''Possible solution:''' It's plausible that Jonas has been paying for her cell phone bill.

==Missing Watchers for Jules==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why weren't there Watchers to protect [[Jules]]?</div>
:'''Possible solution:''' The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - '''but:''' She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to ''look'' like a ceremony girl?

:'''Possible solution 2:''' On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.

==The forgotten parents==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?</div>
:'''Possible Solution:''' Daniel said in one of his videos that his parents "weren't exactly the 'hands-on' type." It is possible that his parents don't care where he is. There is also some evidence that Daniel has a history of [[Inebriated|alcoholism]], which may speak volumes about his family life. Also, Daniel talks more about his parents and his relationship with his grandmother in the video [[Comfort Food]].
:'''Possible Soultion 2:''' The characters don't include every last detail of their lives in these videos. It's possible that Daniel has been calling his parents to keep them up to date on where he is, but he didn't think it was important enough to mention on camera.

==Contradicting accounts on whether the Order watches videos==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In "[[Mystery Movies]]", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "[[Me For Daniel]]" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B.'s]] videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This is called a "{{wikipedia|retcon}}", which stands for ''Retroactive continuity''. Put bluntly, it is a ''deliberate'' continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.
:'''Solution:''' This could also be explained if Bree contacted Lucy herself, and simply posted the video for people to know what was going on.

==Illogical Ceremony date hints==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This was most likely not a clue planted by Bree, but the Creators. Something for US to find out.

==Counterproductive fearmongering==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?</div>

'''Solution:''' This might have been meant as a tool not to scare her away from the Ceremony, but to scare her into it: '''"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."'''

==Bree's "Sacrifice"==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In her last message, Bree said she gave herself up so the order would stop going after her friends and endanger their lives, but in the very same message she asks her friends to help other ceremony girls and fight to bring down the order, thus putting their lives at risk once again and making her sacrifice completely redundant.</div>

'Solution:' By sacrificing her self, Bree made it so that her friends were no longer targets of the Order. Obviously she could not have anticipated that Emma existed, let alone that she was trait positive. But between Bree's death and home invasion and [[Home Invasion]], TAAG was completely safe from the Order.

==LaRezisto image puzzle==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">
#LaRezisto uploaded the pictures to Flickr, telling us in the video "[...] Only the following could be removed at this point. watch closely. somewhere in these images is our girl.".
#Among the images was one painting of a girl with flowers, tagged "8-30-07"
#On August 30, 2007, LaRezisto [[Run!|uploaded a new image to the Flickr account]], eventually removing all others, showing Emma and some flowers, captioned "next".

That raises the question: If the images originally uploaded supposedly were the only ones LaRezisto got off the disk, how come he/they not only knew in advance they'd upload a new picture on August 30, but actually knew it'd show the new girl ''with flowers''? The fact that they knew they'd upload a new picture on August 30 is questionable enough. The fact that they knew it'd be of the new girl is ridiculous already. But that they knew it'd be the girl ''and flowers'' is only plausible if they knew they picture already - which makes the entire puzzle an illogical mess. Had they known the identity of the girl and wanted to broadcast it publically, there'd have been no reason to hide the image among the others themselves, so it was not LaRezisto who hid the image. However, if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto already found it, there'd have been no reason to have us look for it again. And if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto didn't find it, there is no way they could've known its content and the upload date in advance.</div>

Solution: As we now know LaRezisto was Clare, who working for a rogue elder, and it's entirely plausible she already knew what the picture was and the entire puzzle was for the beenfit of TAAG to make it seem more authentic.

==See also==
*[[Unanswered Questions]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

Theories About Characters

2007-09-12T23:51:52Z

81.152.109.103: /* Charlie */

This page is used to post your theories about [[characters]], not including [[ARG]] characters such as [[Tachyon]], [[cassieiswatching|CiW]], etc. You can put anything from what the character's motives are, what they will do in the next video, or even what something from their first video meant.

==lonelygirl15==

===Bree===
*Her full name is [[Bree|Bree Avery]] because her father's name is [[Bree's parents|Drew Avery]]. (proven)
*She is a [[moonchild]].
*Bree isn't actually dead.
*Bree is not dead, but will not be returning.
*The Order didn't kill Bree, they made it look like she died so Daniel and Jonas would stop chasing her.
*After doing the ceremony, Bree loses her past memories and [[Greek|becomes Jen K, a college student]].
*Bree may be [[Kate]]'s biological sister.
*Bree was pregnant when she died

===Daniel===
*[[Daniel]] is working for the order.
*Daniel is in love with Bree. (proven)
*Daniel will fall in love with Sarah.

===The Order===
*[[The Elders]] are the only ones who have information about [[the Order]].
*The Order preformed Bree's ceremony incorrectly, and she was not actually supposed to die.
*Though members of the Order are also members of the [[Hymn Of One]], they are two separate factions.
*When the Order attempted to kidnap [[Emma]], they were supposed to kill Jonas as well.
*They didn't use [[the Ceremony]] to lure Emma in because they feared she might have seen the lg15 videos.

===Jonas===
*[[Jonas]] will become depressed after losing Bree and kill himself. (disproven)
*Jonas will tell Emma about his adventures with Bree and Daniel and they will fight the Order.
*Jonas will become brainwashed by the Order.

===Taylor===
*[[Taylor]] is a plant by the Order.
*Taylor is not biologically related to [[Sarah]].
*She is a [[Watcher]]. (disproven)
*She will use her knowledge of computer hacking to help take down the Order.
*Taylor is with the Order and trying to distract Spencer Gilman.

===Sarah===
*[[Sarah]] is a plant by the Order.
*Sarah is jealous of Bree. (proven)
*Sarah is not related to Taylor by blood.
*Sarah, as a plant by the Order, is present to distract Daniel from the task of locating Bree.
*Sarah loves Daniel. (proven)
*She is trait positive and the creepy guy is working with the person who [[Subjects Apprehended|kidnapped Bree, Daniel, and Jonas]].
*Sarah's emotional distress (at the beginning of Season 2) is because she is pregnant. (Disproven)
*Sarah is using the serum on herself. (disproven)
*Sarah has destroyed the serum. (disproven)
*Sarah says she is dating multiple guys to make Daniel jealous.

===Bree's Mom===
*[[Bree's parents|Bree's mom]] is working against Bree's best interests.
*She is, or is working for, [[OpAphid]].
*Bree's mother married Drew Avery as a command from [[The Order]].
*Bree's mother is part of [[The Resistance]].

===Drew Avery===
*[[Drew Avery|He]] was never part of the Order.
*He was really working for [[the Resistance]].
*He is still alive.
*He died because he tried to make Bree trait negative (as did [[Isaac Gilman]]). (proven)

===Alex===
*[[Alex|She]] is torn between her loyalty to her religion and her loyalty to her [[Jonas|nephew]].
*Alex has done the Ceremony. (disproven)
*She is still with the Order and gave Daniel a fake blood sample.
*After helping the BDJ obtain the blood sample,she was imprisoned or executed for betraying the Order.
*She is Deep Throat/the one who put the messages in Bree's videos. (proven)

===Jonas' Parents===
*[[Jonas's parents|They]] are in hiding.
*They are being brainwashed by the Order. (proven)
*They will be found by Alex and help the Resistance.
*They are Bree's real parents. (That would be pretty disgusting given the circumstances)
*They are dead. (disproven)
*They are the couple that appear in [[Remember Them?]] (proven)
*Jonas' mom is the nurse that helped perform Bree's ceremony.
*The family Jonas visited in [[A Family Affair]] are not his real parents.

===Julia===
*[[Jules]] is not the [[New Girl|new girl]]. (proven)
*Jules was a plant by the Order to get Bree. (proven)
*Jules is putting the messages in Bree's blogs. (disproven)
*While Jonas is with Taylor, Julia will come and help them contact Spencer Gilman. (disproven)
*Jules is dead.

===Gemma===
*[[Gemma]] was really not part of the Order. They found her and forced her to help them.
*She lied about living in London to protect herself from the Order.
*Everything she says in her blogs is true.
*Gemma is still alive.
*Gemma is Tachyon, and pretended to expose herself as part of the Order so that the Order would not suspect her.
*Gemma is broadcasting herself, post-OpAphid, through the YouTube account GemmaReturns.

===Lucy===
*[[Lucy]] is OpAphid or working for them.
*Lucy did the Ceremony. (Proven Incorrect)
*Lucy did not have knowledge of the Ceremony, and was therefore unable to answer Bree's questions about it.
*After learning the truth about the Ceremony, Lucy is now trying to help DJE.

===The Mistress===
*[[The Mistress]] is a member of the Resistance.
*The Mistress knows Bree.
*The Mistress is Bree's biological mother.
*The Mistress is in the Order and killed Isaac Gilman.
*[[Rebecca]] is the Mistress.
*The Mistress is Jonas's biological mother.(disproven)

===Rebecca===
*Rebecca is the girl in the photograph with Lucy seen in the video [[Uncle Dan]].
*Rebecca sings the [[Hymn of One]].
*Rebecca staged [[Uncle Dan|the party]] to get information on Bree for OpAphid.

===The Party Guests===
*The party guests from the videos [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] were there to get information about [[BDJ]].
*The "rock star" is the same musician [[Bad Decisions|Gemma dated]].
*Toby is a member of the [[Hymn of One]], just as [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]] are.
*Beth is the mole in [[Deep Throat]]
*The "rock star" was also a guest of Charlie's birthday party.
*Bree's Real Parents were at the party.

===Bree's Biological Parents===
*Bree's biological parents are Jonas's parents.
*They died and the Order took Bree.
*After Bree was taken from them, they began working for the Resistance.
*They are the couple that appear in [[Remember Them?]], this would also mean that Bree and Jonas are biological brother and sister.

===Isaac Gilman===
*[[Isaac Gilman]] was Bree's real father.
*He faked his [[The Mistress|death]] after hearing Bree's dad was [[Bree's Dad Is Dead|dead]].
*He is the specialist who faked his death in Kate Modern.

===Spencer Gilman===
*[[Spencer]] is Bree's brother.
*Spencer is a plant by the order.
*Spencer will finish the task that Bree left for Daniel and Jonas: save the other ceremony girls.
*Spencer will see KateModern and attempt to break back into the Wyman Foundation and steal Kate's blood sample and save her from the ceremony.
*Spencer will no longer appear.
*Spencer's role will become more significant in the second season. Since he was able to make the serum, he will have to see Daniel and Jonas again so they can make the Ceremony girls trait negative.
*Spencer and Taylor will eventually end up together

===Nikki Bower===
*[[Nikki Bower|She]] will find where Bree is being kept and be brainwashed by the HoO. (disproven)
*Alternatively, OpAphid will kill her.
*She is [[LaRezisto]].

===The Watchers===
*The [[Watchers]] are protecting BDJ, not trying to kidnap them.

===Shadows===
*[[Shadows]] and Watchers are against each other within the HoO.

===LaRezisto===
*[[LaRezisto]] will contact Daniel and Jonas and together they will get over their feelings for Bree and save the other girls. (partially proven, he has contacted Jonas)
*LaRezisto is Sophie. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is actually the Order.
*LaRezisto is Scott.
*LaRezisto is Bree coming back from the dead.
*LaRezisto is Nikki B.
*LaRezisto is/are Jonas's parents trying to goad him into saving more girls. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is working against [[TAAG]].
*LaRezisto is the man in black outside of Daniels house. He was responsible for Deepthroat and for Alex's betrayal of the Order. When Bree returned to the Hymn Of One unbrainwashed, LaRezisto contacted her and together, they devised a plan to send the email with code that would notify LR when Daniel had opened the message, showing that he was ready to find the other girls.
*LaRezisto is Deep Throat/Alex.
*LaRezisto is Bree's adoptive father, and he didn't die from the gun shot.
*LaRezisto is Spencer.
*LaRezisto is Lucy.
*LaRezisto is Purple Monkey

===Scott===
*[[Scott]] will convince Sarah to rejoin TAAG to save Emma.
*Scott is the Gross Guy.

===Emma===
*[[Emma]] is trait positive. (proven)
*She is not Jonas's parent's biological daughter and therefore, not Jonas' biological sister. (proven)
*She is oblivious to her parent's Hymn of One activities.
*Jonas and Daniel will save her from doing the ceremony.
*She has an early bedtime because she has to build up strength for the ceremony.
*She has the power to kill any person who have trait-positive blood, especially the Elders.
*She was abducted as a baby (Dr. Griffin explains in [[Dr. Weirdo]] that as a rule, trait positive girls are abducted as babies).
*She was adopted by Jonas's parents around age 9 (Jonas's parents disappeared 6 years ago and Emma is now around age 15).

===Mallory===
*The flickr account is [[Mallory]]'s.
*Mallory will see the lg15 videos and help Daniel save the other girls.
*Mallory is a plant by the order.
*Mallory is trait positive.
*Mallory and Daniel will break up because of Daniel helping the other girls.

===Purple Monkey===
*Purple Monkey is AWESOME! (proven)
*Purple Monkey is trait positive, and he will give himself up to protect TAAG.
*Purple Monkey is LaRezisto

== KateModern ==

===Kate===
*[[Kate]] lied about her name to protect herself from someone, possibly the Order. The order is the connection to lg15.
*Kate was a Ceremony girl. (disproven)
*Kate is [[Cassie]].
*Kate is [[Tachyon]]. (disproven: the characters Tachyon/OpAphid/Brother cannot legally be used by The Creators)
*Kate is Trait Positive. (proven)
*Kate is the New Girl that [[Alex]] mentioned.
*Kate is Lucy. (disproven)
*Kate will join the HoO and Gavin, Tariq, and Charlie will try to save her.
*The same people that kidnapped Jonas, Daniel & Bree in Las Vegas and wiped their memories did the same to Kate (disproven)
*Kate is a parallel character to Bree.
*Kate and Bree are twins. (Disproven: Kate is in her late twenties while at the time of her death Bree was only 17)
*Kate may be [[Bree]]'s biological sister.
*Before becoming Kate, she stayed in a mental institution. (disproven though she stayed in a hospital for a month because of her dreams.)
*The people that wiped Jonas's parents' memories did the same to Kate.
*She is a compulsive/knowing liar and lied about making up the alias Kate.
*Kate is possibly suffering from DID resulting in her loss of memories

===Charlie===
*[[Charlie]]'s parents are members of the Order.
*Charlie is Tariq's ex-girlfriend.
*Charlie is dating Gavin. (proven)
*Charlie is Gemma's ex-flatmate
*Charlie is Gemma's sister
*Charlie was once pregnant and lost the baby through miscarriage, abortion, or adoption.
*Charlie is a parallel character to Daniel and Taylor.
*Charlie's sister and niece are dead (possibly killed by the Order) and that's why she misses them so much.
*Charlie is a parallel character to Sarah.
*Charlie is working for the HofO or, possibly, the Order.

===Gavin===
*[[Gavin]] and Tariq are good friends, but he barely knows Kate.(disproven)
*Gavin will see the lg15 videos and ask Jonas for a loan. (disproven)
*Gavin is a member of the HofO or the Order.
*Gavin is a member of the Resistance.
*Gavin is a parallel character to Jonas, which could mean that Jonas also has connections to the Order.
*Gavin kidnapped Kate.

===Tariq===
*[[Tariq]] has watched [[lonelygirl15]], and has heard of [[the Order]]. He will be the connection between [[Kate]], [[Charlie]], [[Gavin]], himself, and [[Daniel]], [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], [[Jonas]], and [[Spencer]] (and possibly [[Bree]]). (disproven: he watched the videos, but only after finding the HoO pamphlet.)
*The Order will kidnap Tariq because he researched the Hymn of One after finding the pamphlet.
* Tariq is a parallel character to Daniel.

===Steve===
*[[Steve]] is a member of the Order
*He's a Watcher. (disproven)
*He is Carl (disproven).
*Steve is a parallel character to [[Alex]].
*He will use his inside knowledge to help Kate and her friends.

===Aunt Joan===
*Aunt Joan is related to Jonas.
*Aunt Joan is the girl from the [[1943 abduction]].

===Sophie===
*[[Sophie]] is working with Nikki Bower.

===Dudley===
*[[Dudley]] and Spencer are half brothers.
*[[Dudley]] and [[Spencer]] are parallel characters.
*The Mistress is his mother.
*He is LaRezisto.

== See Also ==
[[Unanswered Questions]]
[[Category:Theories and speculation]]

Unanswered Questions

2007-09-05T00:16:50Z

81.152.109.103: /* Capture in Vegas */

Since the suspense of Lonelygirl15 is built around a mystery, it is only natural there are many unanswered questions in the plot. This page tries to keep track of them and offers possible answers.

==Bree==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
[[image:Breescar.jpg|thumb|right|Bree's Scar]]
'''Question:''' What is the significance of the scar on [[Bree]]'s back, that was purposely shown in the [[Swimming!]] video? Is that the "mark" that the [[Hymn of One]] refers to?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, the "mark" that the Hymn of One refers to was created by a fan on the [[MySpace]] page. [[The Creators]] have yet to confirm that they kept it on for a reason.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What happened to Bree while she was with the Hymn of One? What made her all "Hymn-of-One-ish?" Why is her memory mixed up so badly? What is up with Bree's behavior after she was taken back to [[the rented cabin]]? Why did she make the video [[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]]? If she was being all crazy and spazzed out, how did she edit the video together? Why did she go into a zombie-trance thing in [[Bedside Manner]]? Why did she start responding to [[Jonas]]? Did she have a plan for [[The Morning After|escape]] the whole time, or did it come to her later on?

'''Answer:''' Bree was planning to do the [[the Ceremony (ritual)|Ceremony]] all along. She was completely [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|aware]] that her behavior was that of a lunatic or someone in a trance.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Why did Bree escape? Did she really want to go back to the Hymn of One, or was she forced?

'''Answer:''' Refer to Answer to Question 2.

==Daniel==
[[Image:Daniel_Cartoon.JPG|thumb|Right|Jonas was here!]]
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What did Daniel talk about when Jonas hypnotized him? Did he really talk about Thursday night, or something else?

'''Answer:''' It is assumed that Jonas and Daniel were more so goofing off with that response, but it is possible that Jonas really does have hypnotic skills.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Is there any particular reason why Daniel doesn't like to go swimming?

'''Hole:''' While this was rumored, and discussed for a while, in [[Swimming!]] he did in fact go swimming. At one point in the video, you see Daniel soaking wet. To enforce the idea that Daniel swam, Bree can be heard saying "Daniel got in the water."
[[image:Wetdaniel.JPG|thumb|right|Daniel got into the water]]

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' In [[Confrontation]], [[Alex]] clearly didn't know how Daniel got in the house. How did he get in unnoticed, and what was he doing?

'''Answer:''' It has been known that Daniel has a skill for breaking and entering, as seen in [[Breaking And Entering]], [[Following The Helper]] and many more videos. He obviously broke into [[Alex's vacation house]], for the soul reason to confront Alex. However, did Bree know that this was the plan? We are unsure.
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==Cassie==
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'''Question:''' Who is [[Cassie]]?

'''Answer:''' Within the story, the answer was never really clear. We understood that she moved away, and Bree was not allowed to talk to her after some prank phone calls that they made. From [[the Creators]]'s end of things, we find out that Cassie was actually Bree's original name. In the original story that inspired the creation of Bree, [[Mesh Flinders]] created the central character with the name of Cassie, later on replacing her name for Bree for this series.

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'''Question:''' Why does Bree randomly remember her and bring her up?

'''Answer:''' With the way Bree talks about her, people have reasoned that Bree felt close to Cassie. She was able to relate to her. Bree also felt like Cassie was her connection to the outside world.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel not remember her?

'''Answer:''' A theory that is debated is that Daniel does remember her, but is not telling Bree, Jonas, [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], or [[Spencer]] just to keep himself safe from [[the Order]], as Cassie was either a hostage of the Order or a member. Another story is that Daniel was involved in a fight against the Order with Cassie, the Order kidnapped him, and he was brainwashed to never remember Cassie again.

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'''Question:''' Why was everyone so mean to her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. Perhaps she was just a lonely goth. Maybe she was a bookworm like Bree, and only had friends such as Daniel. Or maybe she was just known to the entire student body as "that freaky cult girl." She was most probably viewed as the outcast.

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'''Question:''' What freaked her out about Bree's religion (since up until recently Bree didn't talk about it much, which we know because Daniel didn't really know anything about it)?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. It is a debated theory that Cassie was on the run from [[the Order]] just like Bree and Daniel. But, because of the lack of information given about Cassie, we can not know.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel bring Cassie up in the video [[Miss Me?]]

'''Answer:''' Fans believe this was just a shout-out to the fan spin-off series [[Cassieiswatching]]. The video itself followed in Cassieiswatching's editing footpaths.

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'''Question:''' Is she actually connected to the Order, or has the Order just used her name because Bree talked about her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This is actually one of the biggest Cassie mysteries ever. Some fans believe she was just a normal high school girl. Others believe that she too was on the run from the Order. It is unknown if she even has anything to do with the Order. It is still to this day one of the more debated subjects within the [[Lonelygirl15]] universe.
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==Gemma==
[[Image:Gemma.jpg|thumb|left|Gemma, an Order ploy?]]
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'''Question:''' What was Gemma's real objective?

'''Answer:''' This was never fully answered in the videos, however the [[OpAphid]] game answered it, to a degree. Gemma's original mission was to dispose of "[[Brother]]," who was there infiltrating the Order in London through his relationship with Gemma. After that plan "supposedly" succeeded, Gemma was later on moved to California, to which guide Bree back into the hands of the Order. However, because of Gemma's previous experience with death, she felt the odd need to dispose of Bree.

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'''Question:''' Was she really working for the Order, or was it more complicated?

'''Answer:''' Many people feel it was more complicated due to conflicting statements within her videos. However the letters between Brother and Tachyon clearly indicate that Gemma was working within the ranks of the Order since the beginning.

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'''Question:''' Was she really shot by Brother, or was it a ruse?

'''Answer:''' Sources have been mixed on this one. While OpAphid and Brother seem confident that Gemma is now in fact dead, Gemma has been mysteriously logging into [[YouTube]] and [[MySpace]].

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[[image:PartyGuestsFinn.jpg|thumb|left|Finn the musician.]]
'''Question:''' Is [[the party guests#Finn|Finn]], the musician at the party, the same musician that Gemma went on a few dates with?

'''Answer:''' This all seemed to be one big rumor or speculation floating around, so let's just leave it at that.
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==Jonas==

[[Image:Jonas_crazy.JPG|thumb|right|Jonas in his father's study.]]

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'''Question:''' Was it just a coincidence that Jonas contacted Bree and offered to help her in her flight form the Order, and then later his parents turned out to be agents of [[the Resistance]]? Did Jonas know more than he revealed about his parents' activities?

'''Answer:''' Due to present circumstances (as of July 12th, 2007) the Jury seems to vote that this is all purely coincidence. Throughout the series we have learned that the Order has many branches that stem in every direction. So this is very possible.

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'''Question:''' Was there any significance to what Jonas was mumbling in his sleep when they were chasing down Alex in [[Missing Days]]? Could his parents have given him information that he didn't realize was information at the time?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However most feel that there is little significance. In case it is, Jonas said : "''Hm... Buy it! No, I don't try to--''" and "''Umm... you... it's hot, so turn it off.''"

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'''Question:''' When searching for Bree, why did Jonas have a mental break down at a lake?

'''Answer:''' The given situation calls for some emotional build up. A break down is bound to happen once in a while.

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'''Question:''' What is up with [[Like A Virgin|Jonas's email]] to [[Taylor]]? Why is it so out of character, and why are there so many mistakes?

'''Answer:''' While people argue that it is out of character, we have learned throughout the series that Jonas is a very self conscious and defensive man. So when faced with an attack, he attacks right back. In the email situation, Jonas indeed felt that he was being attacked by [[Sarah]], leading to a emotionally driven attack right back.

==Lucy==
[[Image:Lucy_The_Human_Ransom.JPG|thumb|right|Lucy is camera-shy.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the map locations on Lucy's computer? Are they locations of eligible Ceremony girls, or of places the Ceremony will be held, or what?

'''Answer:''' While this is still out for the Jury, there are many reason debated for these maps. There were five locations mapped, found on Lucy's computer:

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Zavalla+texas&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=31.158318,-94.426117&spn=0.017664,0.054245&t=h&om=1&iwloc=A Zavalla, Texas] 
31° 9'30.00?N 
94°25'34.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=La+Crete&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=58.193962,-116.419716&spn=0.043518,0.161018&t=h&om=1 La Crete, Alberta, Canada] 
58°12'9.10?N 
116°25'5.50?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wickenburg&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=33.967851,-112.747192&spn=0.136957,0.322037&t=h&om=1 Wickenburg, Arizona] 
33°58'7.00?N 
112°43'44.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=N+topanga+blvd&ie=UTF8&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=118.810383,329.765625&z=14&ll=34.088422,-118.586168&spn=0.034191,0.080509&t=h&om=1 North Topanga Canyon Blvd., Topanga, CA] 
34° 5'37.00?N 
118°36'2.00?W

[http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=adak+island+alaska&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&z=13&ll=51.825275,-176.653805&spn=0.048168,0.106258 Adak Island, Alaska]. 
51°47'46.58?N 
176°41'55.98?W

North Topanga Canyon Blvd, Topanga, CA and Zavalla, Texas are both confirmed locations of events within the Breeniverse. North Topanga Canyon Blvd is the location of the Dead Horse Trail, in which the Ceremony was said to take place (both fake and real), and Zavalla, Texas is where they found Jules. It is probable that these are location of candidates for Ceremony girls, as the evidence with [[Jules]] shows. However, as Jules was bait to lure Bree into the hands of Hymn of One, it may be just a falsified reason given by the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why does Lucy seem to show up all of the time, even in Mexico?

'''Answer:''' While this one seems to be the magic mystery, we know that Lucy is Bree's "Helper." We know that "Helpers" are also like protectors almost. Making sure that Bree does the right thing. Concerning the Hymn of One, the Ceremony is the right thing. If Lucy did not follow Bree, Lucy would not be following her job description as a Helper.

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'''Question:''' Is there more to her than we know?

'''Answer:''' Well, this is a smart ass remark, but we know nothing about her really. So, probably yes.

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'''Question:''' Why hasn't she been seen since she showed up in Zavalla? Where is she now?

'''Answer:''' Well the obvious answer is because the Hymn of One has Bree now, therefore that portion of her job is complete. However, questions still remain pertaining to what will she do with Daniel, Jonas, Taylor and Sarah.

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'''Question:''' Why is her computer gone from her apartment? Why did she leave behind a map? Wouldn't she have taken it with when she was traveling?

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out on this one (as of July 12th, 2007), however, the general feeling is that the computer and information is gone because she, and the Order, know that Daniel and [[Nikki Bower]] have been breaking and entering into her apartment. While the smart thing to do would be to up security, we know that Lucy likes to play mind games with the group. So leaving clues for them wherever she goes is a great way to lead the mice into her trap.
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==Watchers ==
[[Image:Watcher_symbol.JPG|thumb|right|The Watcher symbol.]]
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'''Question:''' What are Watchers, and what side are they on? What is their goal/purpose?

'''Answer:''' From what we have so far been told, the Watchers are there to watch and protect Bree. They will not harm her, or touch her, but watch her location and hold down the fort (if you will) until back up arrives.

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[[Image:Ftw motel window.jpg|thumb|left|The Watcher uniform]]
'''Question:''' Why do Watchers (and apparently most Order members) dress the same? Wouldn't their jobs be easier if they weren't as easily recognizable?

'''Answer:''' It is a well known fact that Cults use a specified uniform to make every feel equal and unified.{{clr}}

==Deacons and Elders==
[[Image:Deacon.gif|thumb|right|A Deacon in front of Bree's house.]]

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'''Question:''' Who are the Deacons? Do they think they are really a part of a religion, or do they know that Hymn of One is just a front for the Order?

'''Answer:''' Since we know absolutely nothing about them and we haven't been told anything about them really, we can't really say.

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'''Question:''' What is the relationship between Deacons and Elders?

'''Answer:''' There are several people that think that Elders and Deacons are the same thing. But according to Bree, Elders are higher up than the Deacons, who are community-level. Apparently in the Hymn of One, it is an honor just to be in the presence of the Elders.
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==Alex==
[[Image:Alex_confrontation.JPG|thumb|left|Alex's confrontation.]]

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'''Question:''' Which side is she on -- does she really think she's helping [[the Resistance]], or is she against them?

'''Answer:''' While the Jury is still out on this, because of the phone call that Daniel overheard, the feeling is that because she did not know she was being filmed, she is conflicted. This is when people noted that there were great divisions amongst the Order's ranks on [[free will]].

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'''Question:''' Who was her husband? Why did they divorce?

'''Answer:''' With no explanation to the divorce, it has been speculated that Alex's ex-husband is [[The party guests#David|David]].

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'''Question:''' What happened on her 26th birthday that made her give up photography?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet

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'''Question:''' Why did [[Lucy]] pick Alex up at the beach in [[Mexico]]? Where is she now and what is she doing?

'''Answer:''' Once again, no real answer. However, because of a similar circumstance with [[Bree]]'s [[Bree's parents#Father|father]], Drew Avery, we feel that Alex was picked up for betraying the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why did she up and move? Where did all her stuff go? How come nobody has seen her? Why does the moving sign outside of her house say "JUST KNOCK!"? Why did she disappear at the same time as Lucy?
[[image:Justknock.JPG|thumb|right|Just Knock !?!]]

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out of this one. However, with the threatening aura surrounding Lucy's crew in the Order, the belief is that Lucy has packed up Alex's stuff and disposed of it. Why? Well, people feel that because Alex betrayed the Order, like Drew Avery and [[Tachyon]]'s family, she met the same fate, thus, leaving her stuff open for the taking. Unlike Tachyon's family, Alex's stuff was not left behind. Maybe the Order learned their lesson with Tachyon's family, noting that people notice when people disappear and leave their stuff behind.

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'''Question:''' What are the principles that Alex offers to recite on the phone in [[Lying Bastards]]? Who was she talking to?

'''Answer:''' The feeling is that she was talking to Lucy, as they are so close. However, there is no real way to confirm that (as we could not hear the other end of the call). However, people feel that she was speaking of the general principle of [[free will]] that the Order seems to recognize during the Ceremony. Every girl who performs the Ceremony must do so under her own free will. However, in Bree's case, the Order is manipulating her judgment, to make her free will work for their own profit, therefore eliminating the principle behind free will.

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'''Question:''' When Alex told Bree, "They have another girl," did she mean Jules, herself, or someone else?

'''Answer:''' After the emerging of Jules, this caused for a lot of confusion. While all the evidence seemingly pointed to Alex's change of heart, leading the crew to Jules almost seemed like she was in on the whole plan. Some people believe that she may have said that, as that was the original plan to lure Bree into the trap, but she refused to do so. By saying it, she may have believed it would have saved her from the same fate as Bree's father.

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'''Question:''' Why did Alex go back to the Order and what was the "one step" she had remaining?

'''Answer:''' While this is not known, the feeling is that she was forced to go back to the Order.

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'''Question:''' Who was Alex talking about that she had visited [[The Perfect Beach]] with?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, there is speculation it could have been a boyfriend or her former husband.

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'''Question:''' Is she really in the fashion business, or does she travel around doing work for the Order with that as a cover?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet.
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==Nikki Bower==
[[Image:NBR3_Nikki_Bed.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki Bower investigates!]]

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'''Question:''' What about Nikki B.? Is she canon now, or was that a one-time-deal?

'''Answer:''' While [[the Creators]] insist that Nikki B. is not [[canon]], she seems to be the fan's liaison between the real world and the [[Breeniverse]].

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'''Question:''' What was Nikki B. doing undercover with the [[Hymn of One]]?

'''Answer:''' While this came as a complete shock to everyone, she seemed to be doing what all good investigative reporters do: investigate.

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'''Question:''' Since Nikki B. was the one that told [[BDJ]] that Jules was the new girl, and Jules just seemed to be a trap, is Nikki B. really a member of the Order?

'''Answer:''' Because of her most recent video, we know now that she is not a member of the Hymn of One, but she was kicked out as chocolate is not allowed. We also learned that she was just undercover.
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==Jules==
[[Image:Jules_Kidnapping_Restraints.jpg|thumb|left|Jules - the "new girl"?]]
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'''Question:''' What about Jules? Was she a distraction, bait, or was she really a new Ceremony girl?

'''Answer:''' Because Jules really did not seem to know anything about the Ceremony, and because she seemed drone-like when Lucy came, the feeling is that she was just bait to lure Bree in. After Bree was lured in, we also learned that Jules was trait negative. For some reason we just assumed that Bree was trait positive, and onward we went on a [[Isaac Gilman|mad scientist]] hunt.

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'''Question:''' Why does her birth certificate say that she is not adopted? Are her parents actually her biological parents, or is it a cover from the Order so that no one knows she is adopted?

'''Answer:''' Because we now know that she is not a candidate for the Ceremony, we can say that she would not have been adopted, definitely. When we discovered that girls were adopted, one crucial statement was misinterpreted by some to say that most girls are adopted, then they select possible candidates. However, this is not the case. The girls that are taken from their birth parents are in fact candidates from the beginning. However, as time progresses, certain females seem more suitable for the Ceremony.

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[[image:194-Epogen Symbol.jpg|thumb|right|Isn't that the symbol from the Epogen box?]]
'''Question:''' Why did she have the symbol for [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] in her file, and what is "trait negative"? Is she missing one of the traits that Bree mentioned?

'''Answer:''' Unfortunately for us, this is not the symbol for EPOGEN. The symbol that was on her file, was the symbol for the company that distributes EPOGEN, which presumably is the Order. Currently (as of July, 12 2007) we are learning more about what these traits really mean. For more information, stay tuned and check out [[The Bree Solution]].
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==Sarah==
[[Image:Sarah_Myspace_Pic.jpg|thumb|left|Sarah enjoys a good time!]]
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'''Question:''' Why did Sarah leave home and join the boys?

'''Answer:''' The general feeling for this situation is that Sarah simply disliked her home situation. And because she had graduated, she felt that the time was right to leave home.

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'''Question:''' Why has Sarah fallen for Daniel so quickly? Does she really like him, or is she using him for something?

'''Answer:''' From her actions and words in '12 in 12' it would seem Sarah really did like Daniel, but it may still be a rouse for the Order.

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'''Question:''' Is Sarah really as promiscuous as she claims?

'''Answer:''' While this hasn't be discussed, as Taylor has claimed before her sister has that Sarah is "a slut," then it may be safe to assume that she is in fact very promiscuous. However, there is no way to determine whether this is really a cry for attention or an act of the truth.

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'''Question:''' Why does she make such a huge deal about "fun" in "[[Everybody Does It ;)]]?"

'''Answer:''' This seemed to be the "Sarah Way" of helping Jonas. In the end, it was actually very mean of her to do.
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==Isaac and Spencer Gilman==
[[Image:Spencer2.jpg|thumb|right|The Corporate Spencer.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the [[Wyman Foundation]]?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know much, we do know that Isaac Gilman worked for them, and that they seem to be the foundation of the Resistance or a cover for the Resistance, like the Hymn of One is to the Order. However, none of that has been confirmed.
[[image:WFound.JPG|thumb|left|The Wyman Foundation]]

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'''Question:''' Who is Isaac Gilman? What kind of work did he do with genetics?

'''Answer:''' What we do know is Isaac Gilman was a friend of Bree's father. He was trying to come up with a serum to make Bree go from trait positive to negative, so Bree would be protected from doing the Ceremony. And there is a belief that his initials appear on the documents found in [[Jonas's cabin]].

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'''Question:''' Who is "the Mistress?"
[[image:0218-TheMistress.jpg|thumb|right|Who was she?]]
'''Answer:''' She seemed to be a lover of Isaac. The idea that people have gotten, is that because she was seen in [[Uncle Dan|the party video]] (thanks to the power of photoshop we have determined that), we feel that she may work with the Order as well, and could have possibly been in a similar situation as Bree's Father (working against the Order from within). This could have been the reason behind hiding her face.

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'''Question:''' Who is Ted Fuller?

'''Answer:''' As described in the blog, Ted Fuller was friends and Sunday Tennis partners with Isaac.

"(Christmas came early in Bev Hills)
As many of you know, my Sunday morning doubles partner, Isaac Gilman, was recently honored by the board of the Wyman Foundation for his advances in genetic something-something. BIG WINK! I know Isaac is a brilliant scientist but, to be honest, his achievements at the net are the key to him being at the top of my buddy list! Last Saturday morning, Isaac and I took on Bev Hills' terrible twosome - Jim Goody & Peter Flood. To say that we won would not and could not embrace the defeat 'that we delivered. Best of three sets? 6-2 6-1 (third set just not needed) Nuf said. I toast to you, Isaac! You are a good man and, more importantly, a great tennis partner."

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'''Question:''' What were the injections Isaac Gilman was giving Bree? Were they to make her 'trait-negative'?

'''Answer:''' While we do not know what they were, from the information that we have been given, it appears that they were to make her trait negative.

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'''Question:''' What caused Isaac Gilman's car to crash? Was he killed by the same people who killed Bree's dad? Is there a connection between the deaths of Bree's dad, Gilman and Gemma (who were all killed the same day)?

'''Answer:''' While this is unknown, it has become growingly suspicious as time wears on. The growing theory is that the Order in fact killed Isaac Gilman, to prevent him from getting in their way.
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==Bree's Parents: Drew and Mrs. Avery==
[[Image:BreesParents.gif|thumb|left|Bree's mom and dad.]]

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'''Question:''' What did Bree's dad say that made Bree not want to contact her mother? Is there anything that Bree and her father discussed (other than the obvious information about Bree's mom) that we don't know yet?

'''Answer:''' While we may never know this, there is a lot of speculation out there. Some think that Bree's mother may be [[OpAphid]], or on the same level as OpAphid.

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'''Question:''' Why did she get upset that Bree "projected weakness" by crying?

'''Answer:''' While, this is completely unknown, and we may never know, the feeling is that the Order is full of very strong women. It is possible that Bree's mother was hoping that Bree could have some day worked with her, or even taken over her spot one day.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Do we really know that Bree's dad is dead?

'''Answer:''' While we have never been given straight forward confirmation on this, the feeling is that he is dead.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' If he knew the Ceremony was bad and that she shouldn't be doing it, why did he let her prepare for it? Why didn't he put a stop to it all sooner? Why did he keep giving her [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]]? Why didn't he tell Bree about his concerns either before things got out of control, or the day he was shot? Why didn't he tell her how to lower her ribozyme levels without his help?

'''Answer:''' These questions have never been discussed within the show, however there has been debate between fans on this part of the story. Because of the environment that Bree's father was in, he would not inform Bree in case of ruining his cover. Bree was raised in a very loyal Hymn of One home. The possibility for Bree's father's cover to been blown away was very real with his wife being a leading member of the society. If Bree's father attempted any type of blocking [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]], the [[Hymn of One]] could potentially become suspicious. Also, it has become very apparent since [[The Unthinkable Happened]] video, that her father didn't feel that she was emotionally capable of handling the information he knew about the Order. As time progressed however, it became more and more crucial that she know so she could expose it to the world. As for the EPOGEN, the general belief was that her father was no giving Bree EPOGEN at all, but giving her the serum that Dr. Isaac Gilman created for her to make her trait negative. Or possibly, tested different forms of serums. Is it possible that the EPOGEN, was supposed to enhance the trait positive? Remember though, none of this information has in fact been fully confirmed. So it is still very much debatable.

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'''Question:''' What about the fact that they were not her biological parents? Where are her biological parents? Did they give her up willingly, or was she taken? Are her biological parents in Hymn of One? What about her adoptive parents qualified them to raise Bree, and what did her biological parents lack that disqualified them?

'''Answer:''' The evidence within the videos have shown us that, while this is still debated, Bree's biological parents were not in the Hymn of One and that Bree was taken unwillingly. However, no conclusive evidence has proven this, the quotes stated by Bree do elude to this fact. Due to the fact Bree is unaware of the location of her biological parents, we do not know their location, nor do we know what are the qualifications for the adoptive parents. However we do know that the home is a "controlled" environment to better the girls chances for the Ceremony. How these "controls" effect the outcome of the girls, we do not know yet.

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'''Question:''' Why is Bree suddenly happy with her mother again?

'''Answer:''' We now know that Bree's final weeks were a ruse by her to trick everyone. She probably pretended to be happy with her mother.
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==Jonas's Parents==
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'''Question:''' What's going on with the whole plot involving Jonas's parents? Are they really still alive? Where are they, and why have they been gone so long?

'''Answer:''' Thanks to LaRezisto, we now know that Jonas's parents are alive and in the Hymn of One, do not remember Jonas, and have a young teen or preteen daughter [[Emma]]. See [[A Family Affair]].

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'''Question:''' What is the "whacked-out, crazy stuff" that Alex's mom accused Jonas's dad of?

'''Answer:''' If you looked back on the Bree videos, you will notice that Bree often found that the activities that Daniel were involved in were "weird." Is it possible that the every day activities of outsiders of the Hymn of One were viewed as "whacked-out, crazy stuff?" You decide.

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'''Question:''' Was there more to Alex's mom's death than just an accident? What are these pictures that the Order had, proving that Jonas's dad was involved with her death?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, because of the nature of the situation between Jonas's father and her, and the situation that seemed to surround the trio, growing suspicions say that the Order may have done away with her. If this is in fact the case, is it possible that Alex knows this, or is the Order leading her on as well?
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==Other Parents==
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'''Question:''' Why was Alex's mom afraid of planes (in "[[Apology Accepted?]]" we find out she said that "planes don't fly, they crash.")?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This may just be a personality trait to make her seem more human to the fans.

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'''Question:''' What's wrong between Taylor and Sarah's parents? What was in the message that their dad left that made their mom so sad?

'''Answer:''' Taylors mom and dad seemingly are in a midlife crisis divorce. Meaning one parent leaves for a much older and gravity praising partner, while the other one is left in the dust. As time progresses, the one left standing in the dust, become to follow the same pursuit, as a form of revenge, and in turn finds a more attractive younger suitor. When there are children involved, this usually ends up hurting the children, usually leaving them enraged and vengeful.
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==Order/Hymn of One==
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'''Question:''' What is the difference (if any) between the Order and the Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' While there doesn't seem to be a clear distinction between the two, what we have been told is that the Hymn of One is in fact a cover up for the Order, allowing them to do what they feel they need to do.

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'''Question:''' What is the connection between the Order and [[Possible influences of Bree's religion|ancient Egypt]]? Is there any reason beyond some way to lend credibility to Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' The Egyptian mysticism seems to be just one of the seemingly thousands of religions that the Hymn of One has pulled influences from.

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'''Question:''' Why are there conflicting ideas about capturing Bree within the Order?

'''Answer:''' While this is being debated still to this day, the general feeling is that there seems to be much division within the Order and The Hymn of One with Bree. While some see it as it must be done completely under her own [[free will]], others feel they can manipulate her free will for their own profit and others feel that they can simply force her to do the Ceremony. This feeling came about during the [[Alex]] days. We really began to notice that, even within the Order, people were choosing sides.

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'''Question:''' What is the significance of all of the "free will" talk in the Order? Is it just something that the Hymn of One uses to get people in, or is it really part of the Order's objectives, or what?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, it is known that many religions focus a lot on free will. We also know that many cults use free will, and manipulation of free will to obtain and comfort their members.

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'''Question:''' What is the "eternal song"? Is it literally a song, or just a metaphor of some kind?

'''Answer:''' Due to the information provided at [[It's A Cult|the seminar]] and through the videos, the feeling that we have been giving is that it is more of a metaphor, but can be taken on a literal sense as well. The feeling that we have been given is that for every person, there seems to be a different eternal song. However, this has not been fully confirmed.

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'''Question:''' Why did the Hymn of One ask what it did on the "audition" survey? What were the significances of the various answers?

'''Answer:''' While there is no definite answer on this, this seemed to be to determine the personality qualities and how they would fit into their belief system, or how they could help you become more like them.

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'''Question:''' What is with the mantra "The Hymn of One is fun?"

'''Answer:''' This seems to be just a mantra to lure followers into the Cult. Many Cults use these type of mantra's to lure people under their own "free will," along with treats such as [[spin art]] and pizza.
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==The Resistance==
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'''Question:''' What is in "the Order of the Modern Empire" other than the Theta/Pi symbol and list of initials?

'''Answer:''' the Order of the Modern Empire is what seems to be a brief run down of the History of the Order, the Objectives, the Projects and important members and their history. While we haven't gotten a direct copy of what it is, Daniel and Jonas did let us know that is is a very well put together document outlining the Modern Day history. As for the OpAphid release of information, it has been suspected that there may be some crucial evidence on a certain page, as on the bottom of the OpAphid page, there was a page number. However, that has yet to be confirmed as well.
[[image:Semiotics.jpg|thumb|right|What we were given by Tachyon]]

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'''Question:''' Is there still a resistance group alive (besides our trio, of course)?

'''Answer:''' While we are almost lead to believe that Isaac Gilman and Drew Avery were the last of the Resistance, because of the early Hymn of One videos and the messages contained in them, it may be safe to assume that there are in fact more members of the Resistance within the ranks of the Order.

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'''Question:''' Besides physical training, did Bree learn anything from [[Tachyon]] during her recent stay with her?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, it seemed that Bree may have learned a bit about maturity and how to handle herself in certain situations.

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'''Question:''' What does the stuff on the whiteboard in the bunker mean? What did they change it to say?

'''Answer:'''
Here is a photograph of the Whiteboard when we first saw it.

[[Image:0173-Whiteboard.jpg]]

What we have figured it to say is Under Elders (Denderah?):

*9? 12? 18?
*Deacon. Community leaders. Zealots. DO THEY KNOW???
*Helper. "Nursemaid"
*The Flock. Religion members. They don't know ANYTHING (then something I can't read)
*Watcher. Protector?
*"OTS" NOT Watchers. What are they?
*(Within the circle) Girl(s)? Blood, Something in it?
*Under the circle, the word Ceremony? appears, also surrounded by question marks

Here is the Recreation of the whiteboard:

[[Image:recreatewhiteboard.JPG]]

While in a video shortly after showed changes in the whiteboard, I have yet to find the pictures of the changes

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'''Question:''' What else did they find in the bunker? Was there anything to find?

'''Answer:''' It was discussed slightly that they had found the bare essentials for research and living in the bunker. However no information about documents or materials that could help the fight against the Order was discussed other then the white board.
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==The Ceremony==
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'''Question:''' In "[[Order of Denderah]]", it is implied that the Ceremony takes place in mid-October- is this the only time it takes place?

'''Answer:''' [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|Bree's Ceremony]] took place on August 3rd.

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'''Question:''' What is the Ceremony, anyway? Why is it so important that it be done, especially since Hymn of One isn't even a real religion? Or is it a real religion that the Order takes advantage of?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't gotten a full explination of what the Ceremony is, we do have some interesting information to go on. So far we have learned that the Ceremony involves blood, and possibly a loss of a large amount of blood. The evidence that points to this are [[Bree's injections]] being [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] and her diet containing lots of Iron filled foods such as red meats. We also know that the Ceremony must have more to do with Blood and possible regeneration due to the information given to us through the RNA clues and hints. The Ceremony kills the girl involved, presumably through blood loss. [[Steve]] of the KateModern series [[Free Will (video)|suggested]] that the [[Elders]] use the Ceremony girls' blood for eternal life.

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'''Question:''' What were the exercises that Bree and Jules talked about? What is the selection process for girls to be chosen for the Ceremony? Why Bree and Jules (if, of course, Jules was actually a Ceremony girl)?

'''Solutions''' While Bree still hasn't told us what these exercises were, due to recent events, we may be able to assume that these exercises are to help induce better circulation.

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'''Question:''' What is different about them than the other girls placed in "controlled environments?"

'''Answer:''' We are still figuring this one out! Stay Tuned! (July 12, 2007)

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' What specific aspect of the Ceremony requires use of EPOGEN?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't 100% sure, and nothing has been confirmed, this may be a method used by the Order to enhance her trait, or enforce her trait.

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'''Question:''' What [[Bree's diet|special diet]] was Bree on, and why (we know she said it involves a lot of red meat and avoiding sugar, but what else does it entail, and why)? If Jules isn't a Ceremony girl, why was she doing exercises and on a special diet?

'''Answer:''' Well, for one thing, if Jules wasn't a Ceremony girl, and was just bait, everything she said may not be that creditable. So she may have no been doing exercises and she may not have been on a diet, but just told us that to bait Bree in. As for the information Bree gave us, it would appear that at least one aspect of her diet was that it was high in iron (she was also put on iron supplement pills). [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_iron_metabolism Iron] is essential to red blood cells. However, very high levels of iron intake can be toxic.

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'''Question:''' What exactly is the "[[purity bond]]" and why is it crucial?

'''Answer:''' While this is still under much debate, people wonder if the purity bond was ever really that crucial. People are now wondering if it was actually more of a cover and a ploy to make it seem more creditable as an actual religious Ceremony other then something else.

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'''Question:''' What was Bree's dad giving her that could lower her ribozyme levels?

'''Answer:''' As we are still learning about the serum, we do not really know yet. So stay tuned!

{{fakeheader|3|Question 9}}
'''Question:''' If women are so important to the Order, couldn't they just use trait positive boys for the ceremony?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet, but perhaps males cannot be 'trait positive'.
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==The Party==
[[Image:0154Toby3.jpg|thumb|right|Toby at the party.]]
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'''Question:''' At the party in the "[[Uncle Dan]]" videos, why do they very obviously point out the musician guy?

'''Answer:''' The musician guy seemed to be the rudest one at the party, so that could have simply been the answer to this question. However some people speculate that this is the musician that [[Gemma]] dated. Or it could just simply be a more obvious way to enforce to us fans that Daniel is a geek.

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'''Question:''' Who was the guy arguing with Alex, and why were they arguing?

'''Answer:''' While the answer to who he was, was never clearly given, they answer to why they were arguing was clearly given within that video. The guy obviously felt completely uncomfortable by Daniel and Jonas being there. While the majority of the persons at the party seemed to be with the Order, we have assumed that because this was a party concerning Order relations, this may be someone who in fact knows exactly who they are, and what threat they pose to the safety and secrecy of the Order. This could be why he was not comfortable with Jonas and Daniel being there, and he may have even been the informant to Lucy that Alex was in fact feeling for their situation.

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'''Question:''' Why does Toby struggle to say Beth is a reporter and then Beth cuts him off?

'''Answer:''' Some people have questioned this, and have concluded that some of these "back stories" that people have given may have been a cover up. Once Daniel and Jonas walked into the room, they knew they were dealing with outsiders, so they felt the need to be secretive about their purposes there. Some people also believe that this may have been a trap to lure Daniel into speaking about Bree and their situation as to the interesting reaction people gave to Jonas when he began to mention why he was visiting his Aunt. So some people believe that these may have been made up stories to help enhance the trusting mood within the party.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What about the comment about Jonas's "file"?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't been confirmed on this, there is speculation that this file that they spoke about what the file that they found at Alex house. Some people also believe that there is information that the Order has recently discovered that they may have missed in their clean up of Jonas's parents lives. Some people have also gone as far as speculating that the Order in fact wants Jonas's money, as they feel it rightfully belongs to them, as supposedly Jonas's parents are members of the Order now.

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[[Image:CarlaJonasFace.jpg|thumb|left|Jonas is embarrassed by Carla's advances.]]
'''Question:''' What did Alex tell [[Sonia]] about Jonas? Why would she talk about him if she hasn't seen him in about six years?

'''Question:''' Why does [[Carl]] flip out when Daniel tries to talk to Sonia and him?

'''Question:''' Why was there a picture of Lucy, and who is the other woman? Is the other woman [[Rebecca]]? Was she really lying about her connections to the Order and Hymn of One? Why did she invite Daniel in for tea?

}}Solution to The Party }}
The remainder of the questions seem to gear around one simplified answer. The party was a gathering of member of the Hymn of One. Either they were all completely taken aback to see two members of the internationally known Resistance at their party, or this was all stages to lure them into speaking about Bree and leading them to her. While the debate is still wavering along, the clear solution here is that the party was in fact a gather of the Order and the fact that Daniel and Jonas, two people who are publicly known as against the Order, made them completely uncomfortable. They probably thought that Jonas and Daniel knew what was going on, and possibly Alex was in on it. Remember though, none of this has really been confirmed. It's been hinted at, but not directly confirmed yet. While we can probably safely assume this with the appearance of attendees of the party within the Hymn of One videos, we can not 100% say for sure just yet.
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==Capture in Vegas==
[[Image:0162-DanielBeingTortured.jpg|thumb|right|[[Psychological Torture]].]]
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'''Question:''' Who captured Bree, Daniel and Jonas?

'''Answer:''' Alex revealed that the person who captured them in Vegas was a 'Shadow'. The personal bodyguards of the elders.

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'''Question:''' Who was the interrogator?

'''Answer:''' This is assumed to be the same person who kidnapped them, as we were given information indicating that there was only one person involved.

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'''Question:''' Where were they staying?

'''Answer:''' According to Nikki B's investigation, it seemed to be a off-highway motel. While this has not been 100% confirmed as of this date, most people assume this is where they were held captive.

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'''Question:''' How did they escape?

'''Answer:''' Absolutely no information was given yet on how they escaped. What we do know is that all they remember is being captured, then running through the desert. They also remember the Watcher shooting the kidnapper.

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'''Question:''' Why did a Watcher kill their captor and let them go?

'''Answer:''' While we have no confirmation on this, the general feeling is the Watchers are there to watch and protect. If they do this, then they probably call for back up to obtain Bree.

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'''Question:''' How did they find Jonas's car again?

'''Answer:''' While this is unclear, and has not been confirmed, we have assumed that Jonas found his car in the desert after the kidnapper was shot. The motel was probably located close by to the location of shooting, leaving Bree, Daniel and Jonas to walk to their vehicle.

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'''Question:''' We know Bree was told to do the Ceremony, and Daniel was told to go home, but what exactly was Jonas asked about? When they asked about his parents' death, why did he say "I don't want to play anymore?" Why does the interrogator say "This is no game?" Does Jonas know more about his parents' death than he realizes (maybe it's in his subconscious somewhere)?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, really at this point only time will tell.
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==The Box==
[[Image:0201-DanielOpeningABox.jpg|thumb|left|A mysterious box left by Drew Avery.]]
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'''Question:''' Why did Bree's dad leave a box under a stump?

'''Answer:''' It seems that Bree's father left the information under a stump because he wanted Bree to know what was going on exactly. While this hasn't been 100% confirmed, it seemed that Bree held onto the letter because she felt that she could figure it out herself. When she couldn't, obviously it lead to her capture and return to the Hymn of One. When Daniel and Jonas released the letter, it lead us to this stump. It contained information pertaining to Bree's condition and why she is trait Positive. While we have not been able to see 100% what the information is, it is obviously very important to Gilman's research.

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'''Question:''' What was in the rest of the letter from Bree's dad in the box?

'''Answer:''' So far what we do know is that is says the following:
"Dear Bree, I'm so happy that you were able to find this box. Right now, you're with Daniel. I'm not sure when I'll be able to see you again, but I want you to know that I have faith that you'll find your way. I've raised you to be the strong and independent person that you are. Follow your heart. Don't let others influence you with promises of inner peace and salvation. We both know that doesn't exist in the world of science. This box holds many more important secrets of the Hymn of One, you, and what lies ahead in your life."

What we don't know is what Daniel says he is not ready to read yet. Why? Well we don't really know. What could it be?

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'''Question:''' What else was in the notebook with the ribozyme charts?

'''Answer:''' Only time will tell. How could we know, if Daniel and Jonas don't ever know?

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Was there anything else in the box?

'''Answer:''' What was in the box? We know that there was a letter, a notebook filled with information, graphs showing Bree's levels of ribzomes or her special ribzome and a collage that Bree made for her father.
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==Hymn of One Videos==
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'''Question:''' Why does "Sing With Me" open with a large star in the middle of the screen followed by a smaller shooting star?

'''Answer:''' Well as this hasn't been confirmed, we can speculate that astronomy has a large part to do with the teachings of the Hymn of One. As we know, Bree is a big fan and extremely knowledgeable about astronomy. Otherwise, it could have just been a funky eye catching graphic.

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'''Question:''' Why are Sonia and Carl with Bree?

'''Answer:''' As we don't know for sure, we speculate that they are recruiters as they were at the seminar, and these are recruitment videos.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
[[Image:Breewithsonyacarl.JPG|thumb|right|Bree's bandage is visible through her blouse.]]
'''Question:''' Why is Bree wearing a bandage again? Is she taking EPOGEN again?

'''Answer:''' While it hasn't been confirmed, it is believed the Bree will go ahead with the Ceremony. Therefore, the rebuilding of her strength to be able to complete the Ceremony is crucial.

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'''Question:''' Why is everyone wearing white? Why is Bree wearing jeans, when the other two are wearing either khaki pants?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know for sure, what we do know is that within Cults, they often feel the need to strengthen bonds between their sisters and brothers by becoming unified in not only thought, but also appearance. An example of this is Heavens Gate.

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'''Question:''' Why is there a shot of Boston at the end of each video?

'''Answer:''' While we are still debating this, this seems to be just a graphic used. However it may be a new location for the adventure to take place.

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'''Question:''' How are secret messages ending up in the Hymn of One videos? Who put them there, and why?

'''Answer:''' As we found out in Mission Possible Alex is TCC. We found out that Alex was in fact the mole, and who was the person who put the messages into the Hymn of One videos.

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==Back Story==
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the girl abducted in 1943 by Crowley (since we know it is an event that never actually happened)?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on what the significance really is, we do know it may be important. However, it may have been another oops on the creators researching part, as there are many fictional stories concerning Crowley. Hopefully it will be revealed in the future.

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'''Question:''' Who is the family that Gemma says disappeared? If she really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, that family disappeared? What happened to them? Did they really exist, or did Gemma (or someone telling her what to say) invent them?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know the full story on this family, what we do know is that this is in fact Tachyon's family. We do know that something extreme happened to them, and we also know that Tachyon did not wish to speak of them too often as she did not look at them too fondly. However, once again, we do not know the full story, and may never know now.

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'''Question:''' What happened between Taylor's parents? Is it significant to the story, or is it just character background?

'''Answer:''' While some people feel that there is more to the story, we can only take it for what we have been told. What we have been told is that Taylor and Sarah's father left their mother for a younger woman. It seems to be just character background, but because this is the [[Breeniverse]] we can never be too sure.
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==Random==
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'''Question:''' Why is the tag "hamster" used in quite a few videos that have nothing to do with hamsters?

'''Answer:''' This is something we do know. Hamster was used in a tag in the videos as [[Mesh Flinders|Mesh's]] often used nickname on his films was Hamster.

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'''Question:''' What happened with "[[the Cowboy (character)|the Cowboy]]"? Wasn't he supposed to be central to the plot?

'''Answer:''' While this seems to be a writing mistake, people have wondered if this could have been the same kidnapper from [[Las Vegas]].

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'''Question:''' What is the significance of [[Longitude 140|longitude]] and meridians? Bree made a whole video about it (and the story she told was a myth, which she treated as fact, which seems to indicate it is an important topic), Jonas talks about his parents being lost at sea at a particular longitude, Jonas says that Alex's mom used to talk about them a lot, then - so what's the big deal? Are meridians referring to geography or Chinese medicine, or something else entirely?

'''Answer:''' While we still are out on this one, maps do have a significance to the story.

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'''Question:''' Does [[Poor Pluto|Pluto]] have any significance in the story, as it has now been mentioned three times in the series?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on this one, Pluto seems to just symbolize outcasts. And as Bree often feels like an outcast, this could be her way of expressing that.

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'''Question:''' Did Bree and Jonas [[The Morning After|sleep together]], or did he just try to make it look that way?

'''Answer:''' While Jonas has not come out right and screamed to the world "WE HAD SEX," after all this time and no denial, we believe it is safe to speculate that they did.

==See also==
*[[Plot holes]]
*[[Theories About Characters]]

[[Category: Behind the scenes]]

Unanswered Questions

2007-09-05T00:13:28Z

81.152.109.103: /* The Ceremony */

Since the suspense of Lonelygirl15 is built around a mystery, it is only natural there are many unanswered questions in the plot. This page tries to keep track of them and offers possible answers.

==Bree==
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[[image:Breescar.jpg|thumb|right|Bree's Scar]]
'''Question:''' What is the significance of the scar on [[Bree]]'s back, that was purposely shown in the [[Swimming!]] video? Is that the "mark" that the [[Hymn of One]] refers to?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, the "mark" that the Hymn of One refers to was created by a fan on the [[MySpace]] page. [[The Creators]] have yet to confirm that they kept it on for a reason.

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'''Question:''' What happened to Bree while she was with the Hymn of One? What made her all "Hymn-of-One-ish?" Why is her memory mixed up so badly? What is up with Bree's behavior after she was taken back to [[the rented cabin]]? Why did she make the video [[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]]? If she was being all crazy and spazzed out, how did she edit the video together? Why did she go into a zombie-trance thing in [[Bedside Manner]]? Why did she start responding to [[Jonas]]? Did she have a plan for [[The Morning After|escape]] the whole time, or did it come to her later on?

'''Answer:''' Bree was planning to do the [[the Ceremony (ritual)|Ceremony]] all along. She was completely [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|aware]] that her behavior was that of a lunatic or someone in a trance.

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'''Question:''' Why did Bree escape? Did she really want to go back to the Hymn of One, or was she forced?

'''Answer:''' Refer to Answer to Question 2.

==Daniel==
[[Image:Daniel_Cartoon.JPG|thumb|Right|Jonas was here!]]
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'''Question:''' What did Daniel talk about when Jonas hypnotized him? Did he really talk about Thursday night, or something else?

'''Answer:''' It is assumed that Jonas and Daniel were more so goofing off with that response, but it is possible that Jonas really does have hypnotic skills.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Is there any particular reason why Daniel doesn't like to go swimming?

'''Hole:''' While this was rumored, and discussed for a while, in [[Swimming!]] he did in fact go swimming. At one point in the video, you see Daniel soaking wet. To enforce the idea that Daniel swam, Bree can be heard saying "Daniel got in the water."
[[image:Wetdaniel.JPG|thumb|right|Daniel got into the water]]

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'''Question:''' In [[Confrontation]], [[Alex]] clearly didn't know how Daniel got in the house. How did he get in unnoticed, and what was he doing?

'''Answer:''' It has been known that Daniel has a skill for breaking and entering, as seen in [[Breaking And Entering]], [[Following The Helper]] and many more videos. He obviously broke into [[Alex's vacation house]], for the soul reason to confront Alex. However, did Bree know that this was the plan? We are unsure.
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==Cassie==
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'''Question:''' Who is [[Cassie]]?

'''Answer:''' Within the story, the answer was never really clear. We understood that she moved away, and Bree was not allowed to talk to her after some prank phone calls that they made. From [[the Creators]]'s end of things, we find out that Cassie was actually Bree's original name. In the original story that inspired the creation of Bree, [[Mesh Flinders]] created the central character with the name of Cassie, later on replacing her name for Bree for this series.

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'''Question:''' Why does Bree randomly remember her and bring her up?

'''Answer:''' With the way Bree talks about her, people have reasoned that Bree felt close to Cassie. She was able to relate to her. Bree also felt like Cassie was her connection to the outside world.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel not remember her?

'''Answer:''' A theory that is debated is that Daniel does remember her, but is not telling Bree, Jonas, [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], or [[Spencer]] just to keep himself safe from [[the Order]], as Cassie was either a hostage of the Order or a member. Another story is that Daniel was involved in a fight against the Order with Cassie, the Order kidnapped him, and he was brainwashed to never remember Cassie again.

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'''Question:''' Why was everyone so mean to her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. Perhaps she was just a lonely goth. Maybe she was a bookworm like Bree, and only had friends such as Daniel. Or maybe she was just known to the entire student body as "that freaky cult girl." She was most probably viewed as the outcast.

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'''Question:''' What freaked her out about Bree's religion (since up until recently Bree didn't talk about it much, which we know because Daniel didn't really know anything about it)?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. It is a debated theory that Cassie was on the run from [[the Order]] just like Bree and Daniel. But, because of the lack of information given about Cassie, we can not know.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel bring Cassie up in the video [[Miss Me?]]

'''Answer:''' Fans believe this was just a shout-out to the fan spin-off series [[Cassieiswatching]]. The video itself followed in Cassieiswatching's editing footpaths.

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'''Question:''' Is she actually connected to the Order, or has the Order just used her name because Bree talked about her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This is actually one of the biggest Cassie mysteries ever. Some fans believe she was just a normal high school girl. Others believe that she too was on the run from the Order. It is unknown if she even has anything to do with the Order. It is still to this day one of the more debated subjects within the [[Lonelygirl15]] universe.
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==Gemma==
[[Image:Gemma.jpg|thumb|left|Gemma, an Order ploy?]]
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'''Question:''' What was Gemma's real objective?

'''Answer:''' This was never fully answered in the videos, however the [[OpAphid]] game answered it, to a degree. Gemma's original mission was to dispose of "[[Brother]]," who was there infiltrating the Order in London through his relationship with Gemma. After that plan "supposedly" succeeded, Gemma was later on moved to California, to which guide Bree back into the hands of the Order. However, because of Gemma's previous experience with death, she felt the odd need to dispose of Bree.

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'''Question:''' Was she really working for the Order, or was it more complicated?

'''Answer:''' Many people feel it was more complicated due to conflicting statements within her videos. However the letters between Brother and Tachyon clearly indicate that Gemma was working within the ranks of the Order since the beginning.

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'''Question:''' Was she really shot by Brother, or was it a ruse?

'''Answer:''' Sources have been mixed on this one. While OpAphid and Brother seem confident that Gemma is now in fact dead, Gemma has been mysteriously logging into [[YouTube]] and [[MySpace]].

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[[image:PartyGuestsFinn.jpg|thumb|left|Finn the musician.]]
'''Question:''' Is [[the party guests#Finn|Finn]], the musician at the party, the same musician that Gemma went on a few dates with?

'''Answer:''' This all seemed to be one big rumor or speculation floating around, so let's just leave it at that.
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==Jonas==

[[Image:Jonas_crazy.JPG|thumb|right|Jonas in his father's study.]]

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'''Question:''' Was it just a coincidence that Jonas contacted Bree and offered to help her in her flight form the Order, and then later his parents turned out to be agents of [[the Resistance]]? Did Jonas know more than he revealed about his parents' activities?

'''Answer:''' Due to present circumstances (as of July 12th, 2007) the Jury seems to vote that this is all purely coincidence. Throughout the series we have learned that the Order has many branches that stem in every direction. So this is very possible.

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'''Question:''' Was there any significance to what Jonas was mumbling in his sleep when they were chasing down Alex in [[Missing Days]]? Could his parents have given him information that he didn't realize was information at the time?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However most feel that there is little significance. In case it is, Jonas said : "''Hm... Buy it! No, I don't try to--''" and "''Umm... you... it's hot, so turn it off.''"

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'''Question:''' When searching for Bree, why did Jonas have a mental break down at a lake?

'''Answer:''' The given situation calls for some emotional build up. A break down is bound to happen once in a while.

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'''Question:''' What is up with [[Like A Virgin|Jonas's email]] to [[Taylor]]? Why is it so out of character, and why are there so many mistakes?

'''Answer:''' While people argue that it is out of character, we have learned throughout the series that Jonas is a very self conscious and defensive man. So when faced with an attack, he attacks right back. In the email situation, Jonas indeed felt that he was being attacked by [[Sarah]], leading to a emotionally driven attack right back.

==Lucy==
[[Image:Lucy_The_Human_Ransom.JPG|thumb|right|Lucy is camera-shy.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the map locations on Lucy's computer? Are they locations of eligible Ceremony girls, or of places the Ceremony will be held, or what?

'''Answer:''' While this is still out for the Jury, there are many reason debated for these maps. There were five locations mapped, found on Lucy's computer:

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Zavalla+texas&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=31.158318,-94.426117&spn=0.017664,0.054245&t=h&om=1&iwloc=A Zavalla, Texas] 
31° 9'30.00?N 
94°25'34.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=La+Crete&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=58.193962,-116.419716&spn=0.043518,0.161018&t=h&om=1 La Crete, Alberta, Canada] 
58°12'9.10?N 
116°25'5.50?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wickenburg&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=33.967851,-112.747192&spn=0.136957,0.322037&t=h&om=1 Wickenburg, Arizona] 
33°58'7.00?N 
112°43'44.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=N+topanga+blvd&ie=UTF8&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=118.810383,329.765625&z=14&ll=34.088422,-118.586168&spn=0.034191,0.080509&t=h&om=1 North Topanga Canyon Blvd., Topanga, CA] 
34° 5'37.00?N 
118°36'2.00?W

[http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=adak+island+alaska&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&z=13&ll=51.825275,-176.653805&spn=0.048168,0.106258 Adak Island, Alaska]. 
51°47'46.58?N 
176°41'55.98?W

North Topanga Canyon Blvd, Topanga, CA and Zavalla, Texas are both confirmed locations of events within the Breeniverse. North Topanga Canyon Blvd is the location of the Dead Horse Trail, in which the Ceremony was said to take place (both fake and real), and Zavalla, Texas is where they found Jules. It is probable that these are location of candidates for Ceremony girls, as the evidence with [[Jules]] shows. However, as Jules was bait to lure Bree into the hands of Hymn of One, it may be just a falsified reason given by the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why does Lucy seem to show up all of the time, even in Mexico?

'''Answer:''' While this one seems to be the magic mystery, we know that Lucy is Bree's "Helper." We know that "Helpers" are also like protectors almost. Making sure that Bree does the right thing. Concerning the Hymn of One, the Ceremony is the right thing. If Lucy did not follow Bree, Lucy would not be following her job description as a Helper.

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'''Question:''' Is there more to her than we know?

'''Answer:''' Well, this is a smart ass remark, but we know nothing about her really. So, probably yes.

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'''Question:''' Why hasn't she been seen since she showed up in Zavalla? Where is she now?

'''Answer:''' Well the obvious answer is because the Hymn of One has Bree now, therefore that portion of her job is complete. However, questions still remain pertaining to what will she do with Daniel, Jonas, Taylor and Sarah.

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'''Question:''' Why is her computer gone from her apartment? Why did she leave behind a map? Wouldn't she have taken it with when she was traveling?

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out on this one (as of July 12th, 2007), however, the general feeling is that the computer and information is gone because she, and the Order, know that Daniel and [[Nikki Bower]] have been breaking and entering into her apartment. While the smart thing to do would be to up security, we know that Lucy likes to play mind games with the group. So leaving clues for them wherever she goes is a great way to lead the mice into her trap.
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==Watchers ==
[[Image:Watcher_symbol.JPG|thumb|right|The Watcher symbol.]]
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'''Question:''' What are Watchers, and what side are they on? What is their goal/purpose?

'''Answer:''' From what we have so far been told, the Watchers are there to watch and protect Bree. They will not harm her, or touch her, but watch her location and hold down the fort (if you will) until back up arrives.

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[[Image:Ftw motel window.jpg|thumb|left|The Watcher uniform]]
'''Question:''' Why do Watchers (and apparently most Order members) dress the same? Wouldn't their jobs be easier if they weren't as easily recognizable?

'''Answer:''' It is a well known fact that Cults use a specified uniform to make every feel equal and unified.{{clr}}

==Deacons and Elders==
[[Image:Deacon.gif|thumb|right|A Deacon in front of Bree's house.]]

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'''Question:''' Who are the Deacons? Do they think they are really a part of a religion, or do they know that Hymn of One is just a front for the Order?

'''Answer:''' Since we know absolutely nothing about them and we haven't been told anything about them really, we can't really say.

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'''Question:''' What is the relationship between Deacons and Elders?

'''Answer:''' There are several people that think that Elders and Deacons are the same thing. But according to Bree, Elders are higher up than the Deacons, who are community-level. Apparently in the Hymn of One, it is an honor just to be in the presence of the Elders.
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==Alex==
[[Image:Alex_confrontation.JPG|thumb|left|Alex's confrontation.]]

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'''Question:''' Which side is she on -- does she really think she's helping [[the Resistance]], or is she against them?

'''Answer:''' While the Jury is still out on this, because of the phone call that Daniel overheard, the feeling is that because she did not know she was being filmed, she is conflicted. This is when people noted that there were great divisions amongst the Order's ranks on [[free will]].

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'''Question:''' Who was her husband? Why did they divorce?

'''Answer:''' With no explanation to the divorce, it has been speculated that Alex's ex-husband is [[The party guests#David|David]].

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What happened on her 26th birthday that made her give up photography?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Why did [[Lucy]] pick Alex up at the beach in [[Mexico]]? Where is she now and what is she doing?

'''Answer:''' Once again, no real answer. However, because of a similar circumstance with [[Bree]]'s [[Bree's parents#Father|father]], Drew Avery, we feel that Alex was picked up for betraying the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why did she up and move? Where did all her stuff go? How come nobody has seen her? Why does the moving sign outside of her house say "JUST KNOCK!"? Why did she disappear at the same time as Lucy?
[[image:Justknock.JPG|thumb|right|Just Knock !?!]]

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out of this one. However, with the threatening aura surrounding Lucy's crew in the Order, the belief is that Lucy has packed up Alex's stuff and disposed of it. Why? Well, people feel that because Alex betrayed the Order, like Drew Avery and [[Tachyon]]'s family, she met the same fate, thus, leaving her stuff open for the taking. Unlike Tachyon's family, Alex's stuff was not left behind. Maybe the Order learned their lesson with Tachyon's family, noting that people notice when people disappear and leave their stuff behind.

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'''Question:''' What are the principles that Alex offers to recite on the phone in [[Lying Bastards]]? Who was she talking to?

'''Answer:''' The feeling is that she was talking to Lucy, as they are so close. However, there is no real way to confirm that (as we could not hear the other end of the call). However, people feel that she was speaking of the general principle of [[free will]] that the Order seems to recognize during the Ceremony. Every girl who performs the Ceremony must do so under her own free will. However, in Bree's case, the Order is manipulating her judgment, to make her free will work for their own profit, therefore eliminating the principle behind free will.

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'''Question:''' When Alex told Bree, "They have another girl," did she mean Jules, herself, or someone else?

'''Answer:''' After the emerging of Jules, this caused for a lot of confusion. While all the evidence seemingly pointed to Alex's change of heart, leading the crew to Jules almost seemed like she was in on the whole plan. Some people believe that she may have said that, as that was the original plan to lure Bree into the trap, but she refused to do so. By saying it, she may have believed it would have saved her from the same fate as Bree's father.

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'''Question:''' Why did Alex go back to the Order and what was the "one step" she had remaining?

'''Answer:''' While this is not known, the feeling is that she was forced to go back to the Order.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 9}}
'''Question:''' Who was Alex talking about that she had visited [[The Perfect Beach]] with?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, there is speculation it could have been a boyfriend or her former husband.

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'''Question:''' Is she really in the fashion business, or does she travel around doing work for the Order with that as a cover?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet.
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==Nikki Bower==
[[Image:NBR3_Nikki_Bed.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki Bower investigates!]]

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'''Question:''' What about Nikki B.? Is she canon now, or was that a one-time-deal?

'''Answer:''' While [[the Creators]] insist that Nikki B. is not [[canon]], she seems to be the fan's liaison between the real world and the [[Breeniverse]].

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'''Question:''' What was Nikki B. doing undercover with the [[Hymn of One]]?

'''Answer:''' While this came as a complete shock to everyone, she seemed to be doing what all good investigative reporters do: investigate.

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'''Question:''' Since Nikki B. was the one that told [[BDJ]] that Jules was the new girl, and Jules just seemed to be a trap, is Nikki B. really a member of the Order?

'''Answer:''' Because of her most recent video, we know now that she is not a member of the Hymn of One, but she was kicked out as chocolate is not allowed. We also learned that she was just undercover.
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==Jules==
[[Image:Jules_Kidnapping_Restraints.jpg|thumb|left|Jules - the "new girl"?]]
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'''Question:''' What about Jules? Was she a distraction, bait, or was she really a new Ceremony girl?

'''Answer:''' Because Jules really did not seem to know anything about the Ceremony, and because she seemed drone-like when Lucy came, the feeling is that she was just bait to lure Bree in. After Bree was lured in, we also learned that Jules was trait negative. For some reason we just assumed that Bree was trait positive, and onward we went on a [[Isaac Gilman|mad scientist]] hunt.

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'''Question:''' Why does her birth certificate say that she is not adopted? Are her parents actually her biological parents, or is it a cover from the Order so that no one knows she is adopted?

'''Answer:''' Because we now know that she is not a candidate for the Ceremony, we can say that she would not have been adopted, definitely. When we discovered that girls were adopted, one crucial statement was misinterpreted by some to say that most girls are adopted, then they select possible candidates. However, this is not the case. The girls that are taken from their birth parents are in fact candidates from the beginning. However, as time progresses, certain females seem more suitable for the Ceremony.

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[[image:194-Epogen Symbol.jpg|thumb|right|Isn't that the symbol from the Epogen box?]]
'''Question:''' Why did she have the symbol for [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] in her file, and what is "trait negative"? Is she missing one of the traits that Bree mentioned?

'''Answer:''' Unfortunately for us, this is not the symbol for EPOGEN. The symbol that was on her file, was the symbol for the company that distributes EPOGEN, which presumably is the Order. Currently (as of July, 12 2007) we are learning more about what these traits really mean. For more information, stay tuned and check out [[The Bree Solution]].
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==Sarah==
[[Image:Sarah_Myspace_Pic.jpg|thumb|left|Sarah enjoys a good time!]]
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'''Question:''' Why did Sarah leave home and join the boys?

'''Answer:''' The general feeling for this situation is that Sarah simply disliked her home situation. And because she had graduated, she felt that the time was right to leave home.

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'''Question:''' Why has Sarah fallen for Daniel so quickly? Does she really like him, or is she using him for something?

'''Answer:''' From her actions and words in '12 in 12' it would seem Sarah really did like Daniel, but it may still be a rouse for the Order.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Is Sarah really as promiscuous as she claims?

'''Answer:''' While this hasn't be discussed, as Taylor has claimed before her sister has that Sarah is "a slut," then it may be safe to assume that she is in fact very promiscuous. However, there is no way to determine whether this is really a cry for attention or an act of the truth.

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'''Question:''' Why does she make such a huge deal about "fun" in "[[Everybody Does It ;)]]?"

'''Answer:''' This seemed to be the "Sarah Way" of helping Jonas. In the end, it was actually very mean of her to do.
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==Isaac and Spencer Gilman==
[[Image:Spencer2.jpg|thumb|right|The Corporate Spencer.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the [[Wyman Foundation]]?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know much, we do know that Isaac Gilman worked for them, and that they seem to be the foundation of the Resistance or a cover for the Resistance, like the Hymn of One is to the Order. However, none of that has been confirmed.
[[image:WFound.JPG|thumb|left|The Wyman Foundation]]

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Who is Isaac Gilman? What kind of work did he do with genetics?

'''Answer:''' What we do know is Isaac Gilman was a friend of Bree's father. He was trying to come up with a serum to make Bree go from trait positive to negative, so Bree would be protected from doing the Ceremony. And there is a belief that his initials appear on the documents found in [[Jonas's cabin]].

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'''Question:''' Who is "the Mistress?"
[[image:0218-TheMistress.jpg|thumb|right|Who was she?]]
'''Answer:''' She seemed to be a lover of Isaac. The idea that people have gotten, is that because she was seen in [[Uncle Dan|the party video]] (thanks to the power of photoshop we have determined that), we feel that she may work with the Order as well, and could have possibly been in a similar situation as Bree's Father (working against the Order from within). This could have been the reason behind hiding her face.

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'''Question:''' Who is Ted Fuller?

'''Answer:''' As described in the blog, Ted Fuller was friends and Sunday Tennis partners with Isaac.

"(Christmas came early in Bev Hills)
As many of you know, my Sunday morning doubles partner, Isaac Gilman, was recently honored by the board of the Wyman Foundation for his advances in genetic something-something. BIG WINK! I know Isaac is a brilliant scientist but, to be honest, his achievements at the net are the key to him being at the top of my buddy list! Last Saturday morning, Isaac and I took on Bev Hills' terrible twosome - Jim Goody & Peter Flood. To say that we won would not and could not embrace the defeat 'that we delivered. Best of three sets? 6-2 6-1 (third set just not needed) Nuf said. I toast to you, Isaac! You are a good man and, more importantly, a great tennis partner."

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'''Question:''' What were the injections Isaac Gilman was giving Bree? Were they to make her 'trait-negative'?

'''Answer:''' While we do not know what they were, from the information that we have been given, it appears that they were to make her trait negative.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' What caused Isaac Gilman's car to crash? Was he killed by the same people who killed Bree's dad? Is there a connection between the deaths of Bree's dad, Gilman and Gemma (who were all killed the same day)?

'''Answer:''' While this is unknown, it has become growingly suspicious as time wears on. The growing theory is that the Order in fact killed Isaac Gilman, to prevent him from getting in their way.
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==Bree's Parents: Drew and Mrs. Avery==
[[Image:BreesParents.gif|thumb|left|Bree's mom and dad.]]

{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What did Bree's dad say that made Bree not want to contact her mother? Is there anything that Bree and her father discussed (other than the obvious information about Bree's mom) that we don't know yet?

'''Answer:''' While we may never know this, there is a lot of speculation out there. Some think that Bree's mother may be [[OpAphid]], or on the same level as OpAphid.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Why did she get upset that Bree "projected weakness" by crying?

'''Answer:''' While, this is completely unknown, and we may never know, the feeling is that the Order is full of very strong women. It is possible that Bree's mother was hoping that Bree could have some day worked with her, or even taken over her spot one day.

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'''Question:''' Do we really know that Bree's dad is dead?

'''Answer:''' While we have never been given straight forward confirmation on this, the feeling is that he is dead.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' If he knew the Ceremony was bad and that she shouldn't be doing it, why did he let her prepare for it? Why didn't he put a stop to it all sooner? Why did he keep giving her [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]]? Why didn't he tell Bree about his concerns either before things got out of control, or the day he was shot? Why didn't he tell her how to lower her ribozyme levels without his help?

'''Answer:''' These questions have never been discussed within the show, however there has been debate between fans on this part of the story. Because of the environment that Bree's father was in, he would not inform Bree in case of ruining his cover. Bree was raised in a very loyal Hymn of One home. The possibility for Bree's father's cover to been blown away was very real with his wife being a leading member of the society. If Bree's father attempted any type of blocking [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]], the [[Hymn of One]] could potentially become suspicious. Also, it has become very apparent since [[The Unthinkable Happened]] video, that her father didn't feel that she was emotionally capable of handling the information he knew about the Order. As time progressed however, it became more and more crucial that she know so she could expose it to the world. As for the EPOGEN, the general belief was that her father was no giving Bree EPOGEN at all, but giving her the serum that Dr. Isaac Gilman created for her to make her trait negative. Or possibly, tested different forms of serums. Is it possible that the EPOGEN, was supposed to enhance the trait positive? Remember though, none of this information has in fact been fully confirmed. So it is still very much debatable.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' What about the fact that they were not her biological parents? Where are her biological parents? Did they give her up willingly, or was she taken? Are her biological parents in Hymn of One? What about her adoptive parents qualified them to raise Bree, and what did her biological parents lack that disqualified them?

'''Answer:''' The evidence within the videos have shown us that, while this is still debated, Bree's biological parents were not in the Hymn of One and that Bree was taken unwillingly. However, no conclusive evidence has proven this, the quotes stated by Bree do elude to this fact. Due to the fact Bree is unaware of the location of her biological parents, we do not know their location, nor do we know what are the qualifications for the adoptive parents. However we do know that the home is a "controlled" environment to better the girls chances for the Ceremony. How these "controls" effect the outcome of the girls, we do not know yet.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' Why is Bree suddenly happy with her mother again?

'''Answer:''' We now know that Bree's final weeks were a ruse by her to trick everyone. She probably pretended to be happy with her mother.
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==Jonas's Parents==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What's going on with the whole plot involving Jonas's parents? Are they really still alive? Where are they, and why have they been gone so long?

'''Answer:''' Thanks to LaRezisto, we now know that Jonas's parents are alive and in the Hymn of One, do not remember Jonas, and have a young teen or preteen daughter [[Emma]]. See [[A Family Affair]].

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'''Question:''' What is the "whacked-out, crazy stuff" that Alex's mom accused Jonas's dad of?

'''Answer:''' If you looked back on the Bree videos, you will notice that Bree often found that the activities that Daniel were involved in were "weird." Is it possible that the every day activities of outsiders of the Hymn of One were viewed as "whacked-out, crazy stuff?" You decide.

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'''Question:''' Was there more to Alex's mom's death than just an accident? What are these pictures that the Order had, proving that Jonas's dad was involved with her death?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, because of the nature of the situation between Jonas's father and her, and the situation that seemed to surround the trio, growing suspicions say that the Order may have done away with her. If this is in fact the case, is it possible that Alex knows this, or is the Order leading her on as well?
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==Other Parents==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why was Alex's mom afraid of planes (in "[[Apology Accepted?]]" we find out she said that "planes don't fly, they crash.")?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This may just be a personality trait to make her seem more human to the fans.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What's wrong between Taylor and Sarah's parents? What was in the message that their dad left that made their mom so sad?

'''Answer:''' Taylors mom and dad seemingly are in a midlife crisis divorce. Meaning one parent leaves for a much older and gravity praising partner, while the other one is left in the dust. As time progresses, the one left standing in the dust, become to follow the same pursuit, as a form of revenge, and in turn finds a more attractive younger suitor. When there are children involved, this usually ends up hurting the children, usually leaving them enraged and vengeful.
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==Order/Hymn of One==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What is the difference (if any) between the Order and the Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' While there doesn't seem to be a clear distinction between the two, what we have been told is that the Hymn of One is in fact a cover up for the Order, allowing them to do what they feel they need to do.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What is the connection between the Order and [[Possible influences of Bree's religion|ancient Egypt]]? Is there any reason beyond some way to lend credibility to Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' The Egyptian mysticism seems to be just one of the seemingly thousands of religions that the Hymn of One has pulled influences from.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Why are there conflicting ideas about capturing Bree within the Order?

'''Answer:''' While this is being debated still to this day, the general feeling is that there seems to be much division within the Order and The Hymn of One with Bree. While some see it as it must be done completely under her own [[free will]], others feel they can manipulate her free will for their own profit and others feel that they can simply force her to do the Ceremony. This feeling came about during the [[Alex]] days. We really began to notice that, even within the Order, people were choosing sides.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What is the significance of all of the "free will" talk in the Order? Is it just something that the Hymn of One uses to get people in, or is it really part of the Order's objectives, or what?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, it is known that many religions focus a lot on free will. We also know that many cults use free will, and manipulation of free will to obtain and comfort their members.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' What is the "eternal song"? Is it literally a song, or just a metaphor of some kind?

'''Answer:''' Due to the information provided at [[It's A Cult|the seminar]] and through the videos, the feeling that we have been giving is that it is more of a metaphor, but can be taken on a literal sense as well. The feeling that we have been given is that for every person, there seems to be a different eternal song. However, this has not been fully confirmed.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' Why did the Hymn of One ask what it did on the "audition" survey? What were the significances of the various answers?

'''Answer:''' While there is no definite answer on this, this seemed to be to determine the personality qualities and how they would fit into their belief system, or how they could help you become more like them.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 7}}
'''Question:''' What is with the mantra "The Hymn of One is fun?"

'''Answer:''' This seems to be just a mantra to lure followers into the Cult. Many Cults use these type of mantra's to lure people under their own "free will," along with treats such as [[spin art]] and pizza.
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==The Resistance==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What is in "the Order of the Modern Empire" other than the Theta/Pi symbol and list of initials?

'''Answer:''' the Order of the Modern Empire is what seems to be a brief run down of the History of the Order, the Objectives, the Projects and important members and their history. While we haven't gotten a direct copy of what it is, Daniel and Jonas did let us know that is is a very well put together document outlining the Modern Day history. As for the OpAphid release of information, it has been suspected that there may be some crucial evidence on a certain page, as on the bottom of the OpAphid page, there was a page number. However, that has yet to be confirmed as well.
[[image:Semiotics.jpg|thumb|right|What we were given by Tachyon]]

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'''Question:''' Is there still a resistance group alive (besides our trio, of course)?

'''Answer:''' While we are almost lead to believe that Isaac Gilman and Drew Avery were the last of the Resistance, because of the early Hymn of One videos and the messages contained in them, it may be safe to assume that there are in fact more members of the Resistance within the ranks of the Order.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Besides physical training, did Bree learn anything from [[Tachyon]] during her recent stay with her?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, it seemed that Bree may have learned a bit about maturity and how to handle herself in certain situations.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What does the stuff on the whiteboard in the bunker mean? What did they change it to say?

'''Answer:'''
Here is a photograph of the Whiteboard when we first saw it.

[[Image:0173-Whiteboard.jpg]]

What we have figured it to say is Under Elders (Denderah?):

*9? 12? 18?
*Deacon. Community leaders. Zealots. DO THEY KNOW???
*Helper. "Nursemaid"
*The Flock. Religion members. They don't know ANYTHING (then something I can't read)
*Watcher. Protector?
*"OTS" NOT Watchers. What are they?
*(Within the circle) Girl(s)? Blood, Something in it?
*Under the circle, the word Ceremony? appears, also surrounded by question marks

Here is the Recreation of the whiteboard:

[[Image:recreatewhiteboard.JPG]]

While in a video shortly after showed changes in the whiteboard, I have yet to find the pictures of the changes

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'''Question:''' What else did they find in the bunker? Was there anything to find?

'''Answer:''' It was discussed slightly that they had found the bare essentials for research and living in the bunker. However no information about documents or materials that could help the fight against the Order was discussed other then the white board.
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==The Ceremony==
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'''Question:''' In "[[Order of Denderah]]", it is implied that the Ceremony takes place in mid-October- is this the only time it takes place?

'''Answer:''' [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|Bree's Ceremony]] took place on August 3rd.

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'''Question:''' What is the Ceremony, anyway? Why is it so important that it be done, especially since Hymn of One isn't even a real religion? Or is it a real religion that the Order takes advantage of?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't gotten a full explination of what the Ceremony is, we do have some interesting information to go on. So far we have learned that the Ceremony involves blood, and possibly a loss of a large amount of blood. The evidence that points to this are [[Bree's injections]] being [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] and her diet containing lots of Iron filled foods such as red meats. We also know that the Ceremony must have more to do with Blood and possible regeneration due to the information given to us through the RNA clues and hints. The Ceremony kills the girl involved, presumably through blood loss. [[Steve]] of the KateModern series [[Free Will (video)|suggested]] that the [[Elders]] use the Ceremony girls' blood for eternal life.

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'''Question:''' What were the exercises that Bree and Jules talked about? What is the selection process for girls to be chosen for the Ceremony? Why Bree and Jules (if, of course, Jules was actually a Ceremony girl)?

'''Solutions''' While Bree still hasn't told us what these exercises were, due to recent events, we may be able to assume that these exercises are to help induce better circulation.

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'''Question:''' What is different about them than the other girls placed in "controlled environments?"

'''Answer:''' We are still figuring this one out! Stay Tuned! (July 12, 2007)

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' What specific aspect of the Ceremony requires use of EPOGEN?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't 100% sure, and nothing has been confirmed, this may be a method used by the Order to enhance her trait, or enforce her trait.

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'''Question:''' What [[Bree's diet|special diet]] was Bree on, and why (we know she said it involves a lot of red meat and avoiding sugar, but what else does it entail, and why)? If Jules isn't a Ceremony girl, why was she doing exercises and on a special diet?

'''Answer:''' Well, for one thing, if Jules wasn't a Ceremony girl, and was just bait, everything she said may not be that creditable. So she may have no been doing exercises and she may not have been on a diet, but just told us that to bait Bree in. As for the information Bree gave us, it would appear that at least one aspect of her diet was that it was high in iron (she was also put on iron supplement pills). [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_iron_metabolism Iron] is essential to red blood cells. However, very high levels of iron intake can be toxic.

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'''Question:''' What exactly is the "[[purity bond]]" and why is it crucial?

'''Answer:''' While this is still under much debate, people wonder if the purity bond was ever really that crucial. People are now wondering if it was actually more of a cover and a ploy to make it seem more creditable as an actual religious Ceremony other then something else.

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'''Question:''' What was Bree's dad giving her that could lower her ribozyme levels?

'''Answer:''' As we are still learning about the serum, we do not really know yet. So stay tuned!

{{fakeheader|3|Question 9}}
'''Question:''' If women are so important to the Order, couldn't they just use trait positive boys for the ceremony?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet, but perhaps males cannot be 'trait positive'.
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==The Party==
[[Image:0154Toby3.jpg|thumb|right|Toby at the party.]]
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'''Question:''' At the party in the "[[Uncle Dan]]" videos, why do they very obviously point out the musician guy?

'''Answer:''' The musician guy seemed to be the rudest one at the party, so that could have simply been the answer to this question. However some people speculate that this is the musician that [[Gemma]] dated. Or it could just simply be a more obvious way to enforce to us fans that Daniel is a geek.

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'''Question:''' Who was the guy arguing with Alex, and why were they arguing?

'''Answer:''' While the answer to who he was, was never clearly given, they answer to why they were arguing was clearly given within that video. The guy obviously felt completely uncomfortable by Daniel and Jonas being there. While the majority of the persons at the party seemed to be with the Order, we have assumed that because this was a party concerning Order relations, this may be someone who in fact knows exactly who they are, and what threat they pose to the safety and secrecy of the Order. This could be why he was not comfortable with Jonas and Daniel being there, and he may have even been the informant to Lucy that Alex was in fact feeling for their situation.

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'''Question:''' Why does Toby struggle to say Beth is a reporter and then Beth cuts him off?

'''Answer:''' Some people have questioned this, and have concluded that some of these "back stories" that people have given may have been a cover up. Once Daniel and Jonas walked into the room, they knew they were dealing with outsiders, so they felt the need to be secretive about their purposes there. Some people also believe that this may have been a trap to lure Daniel into speaking about Bree and their situation as to the interesting reaction people gave to Jonas when he began to mention why he was visiting his Aunt. So some people believe that these may have been made up stories to help enhance the trusting mood within the party.

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'''Question:''' What about the comment about Jonas's "file"?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't been confirmed on this, there is speculation that this file that they spoke about what the file that they found at Alex house. Some people also believe that there is information that the Order has recently discovered that they may have missed in their clean up of Jonas's parents lives. Some people have also gone as far as speculating that the Order in fact wants Jonas's money, as they feel it rightfully belongs to them, as supposedly Jonas's parents are members of the Order now.

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[[Image:CarlaJonasFace.jpg|thumb|left|Jonas is embarrassed by Carla's advances.]]
'''Question:''' What did Alex tell [[Sonia]] about Jonas? Why would she talk about him if she hasn't seen him in about six years?

'''Question:''' Why does [[Carl]] flip out when Daniel tries to talk to Sonia and him?

'''Question:''' Why was there a picture of Lucy, and who is the other woman? Is the other woman [[Rebecca]]? Was she really lying about her connections to the Order and Hymn of One? Why did she invite Daniel in for tea?

}}Solution to The Party }}
The remainder of the questions seem to gear around one simplified answer. The party was a gathering of member of the Hymn of One. Either they were all completely taken aback to see two members of the internationally known Resistance at their party, or this was all stages to lure them into speaking about Bree and leading them to her. While the debate is still wavering along, the clear solution here is that the party was in fact a gather of the Order and the fact that Daniel and Jonas, two people who are publicly known as against the Order, made them completely uncomfortable. They probably thought that Jonas and Daniel knew what was going on, and possibly Alex was in on it. Remember though, none of this has really been confirmed. It's been hinted at, but not directly confirmed yet. While we can probably safely assume this with the appearance of attendees of the party within the Hymn of One videos, we can not 100% say for sure just yet.
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==Capture in Vegas==
[[Image:0162-DanielBeingTortured.jpg|thumb|right|[[Psychological Torture]].]]
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'''Question:''' Who captured Bree, Daniel and Jonas?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't been told who did it, what we do know is that it wasn't a Watcher. A Watcher actually saved them, not Tachyon! Some people speculate that it may have been OpAphid, but then we found out that the kidnapper was male, so that theory was thrown out. What is commonly believed now, however is that the person who kidnapped them did in fact work for OpAphid, and due to the severity of the circumstance, OpAphid went MIA.

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'''Question:''' Who was the interrogator?

'''Answer:''' This is assumed to be the same person who kidnapped them, as we were given information indicating that there was only one person involved.

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'''Question:''' Where were they staying?

'''Answer:''' According to Nikki B's investigation, it seemed to be a off-highway motel. While this has not been 100% confirmed as of this date, most people assume this is where they were held captive.

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'''Question:''' How did they escape?

'''Answer:''' Absolutely no information was given yet on how they escaped. What we do know is that all they remember is being captured, then running through the desert. They also remember the Watcher shooting the kidnapper.

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'''Question:''' Why did a Watcher kill their captor and let them go?

'''Answer:''' While we have no confirmation on this, the general feeling is the Watchers are there to watch and protect. If they do this, then they probably call for back up to obtain Bree.

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'''Question:''' How did they find Jonas's car again?

'''Answer:''' While this is unclear, and has not been confirmed, we have assumed that Jonas found his car in the desert after the kidnapper was shot. The motel was probably located close by to the location of shooting, leaving Bree, Daniel and Jonas to walk to their vehicle.

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'''Question:''' We know Bree was told to do the Ceremony, and Daniel was told to go home, but what exactly was Jonas asked about? When they asked about his parents' death, why did he say "I don't want to play anymore?" Why does the interrogator say "This is no game?" Does Jonas know more about his parents' death than he realizes (maybe it's in his subconscious somewhere)?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, really at this point only time will tell.
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==The Box==
[[Image:0201-DanielOpeningABox.jpg|thumb|left|A mysterious box left by Drew Avery.]]
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'''Question:''' Why did Bree's dad leave a box under a stump?

'''Answer:''' It seems that Bree's father left the information under a stump because he wanted Bree to know what was going on exactly. While this hasn't been 100% confirmed, it seemed that Bree held onto the letter because she felt that she could figure it out herself. When she couldn't, obviously it lead to her capture and return to the Hymn of One. When Daniel and Jonas released the letter, it lead us to this stump. It contained information pertaining to Bree's condition and why she is trait Positive. While we have not been able to see 100% what the information is, it is obviously very important to Gilman's research.

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'''Question:''' What was in the rest of the letter from Bree's dad in the box?

'''Answer:''' So far what we do know is that is says the following:
"Dear Bree, I'm so happy that you were able to find this box. Right now, you're with Daniel. I'm not sure when I'll be able to see you again, but I want you to know that I have faith that you'll find your way. I've raised you to be the strong and independent person that you are. Follow your heart. Don't let others influence you with promises of inner peace and salvation. We both know that doesn't exist in the world of science. This box holds many more important secrets of the Hymn of One, you, and what lies ahead in your life."

What we don't know is what Daniel says he is not ready to read yet. Why? Well we don't really know. What could it be?

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'''Question:''' What else was in the notebook with the ribozyme charts?

'''Answer:''' Only time will tell. How could we know, if Daniel and Jonas don't ever know?

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Was there anything else in the box?

'''Answer:''' What was in the box? We know that there was a letter, a notebook filled with information, graphs showing Bree's levels of ribzomes or her special ribzome and a collage that Bree made for her father.
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==Hymn of One Videos==
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'''Question:''' Why does "Sing With Me" open with a large star in the middle of the screen followed by a smaller shooting star?

'''Answer:''' Well as this hasn't been confirmed, we can speculate that astronomy has a large part to do with the teachings of the Hymn of One. As we know, Bree is a big fan and extremely knowledgeable about astronomy. Otherwise, it could have just been a funky eye catching graphic.

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'''Question:''' Why are Sonia and Carl with Bree?

'''Answer:''' As we don't know for sure, we speculate that they are recruiters as they were at the seminar, and these are recruitment videos.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
[[Image:Breewithsonyacarl.JPG|thumb|right|Bree's bandage is visible through her blouse.]]
'''Question:''' Why is Bree wearing a bandage again? Is she taking EPOGEN again?

'''Answer:''' While it hasn't been confirmed, it is believed the Bree will go ahead with the Ceremony. Therefore, the rebuilding of her strength to be able to complete the Ceremony is crucial.

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'''Question:''' Why is everyone wearing white? Why is Bree wearing jeans, when the other two are wearing either khaki pants?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know for sure, what we do know is that within Cults, they often feel the need to strengthen bonds between their sisters and brothers by becoming unified in not only thought, but also appearance. An example of this is Heavens Gate.

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'''Question:''' Why is there a shot of Boston at the end of each video?

'''Answer:''' While we are still debating this, this seems to be just a graphic used. However it may be a new location for the adventure to take place.

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'''Question:''' How are secret messages ending up in the Hymn of One videos? Who put them there, and why?

'''Answer:''' As we found out in Mission Possible Alex is TCC. We found out that Alex was in fact the mole, and who was the person who put the messages into the Hymn of One videos.

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==Back Story==
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the girl abducted in 1943 by Crowley (since we know it is an event that never actually happened)?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on what the significance really is, we do know it may be important. However, it may have been another oops on the creators researching part, as there are many fictional stories concerning Crowley. Hopefully it will be revealed in the future.

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'''Question:''' Who is the family that Gemma says disappeared? If she really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, that family disappeared? What happened to them? Did they really exist, or did Gemma (or someone telling her what to say) invent them?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know the full story on this family, what we do know is that this is in fact Tachyon's family. We do know that something extreme happened to them, and we also know that Tachyon did not wish to speak of them too often as she did not look at them too fondly. However, once again, we do not know the full story, and may never know now.

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'''Question:''' What happened between Taylor's parents? Is it significant to the story, or is it just character background?

'''Answer:''' While some people feel that there is more to the story, we can only take it for what we have been told. What we have been told is that Taylor and Sarah's father left their mother for a younger woman. It seems to be just character background, but because this is the [[Breeniverse]] we can never be too sure.
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==Random==
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'''Question:''' Why is the tag "hamster" used in quite a few videos that have nothing to do with hamsters?

'''Answer:''' This is something we do know. Hamster was used in a tag in the videos as [[Mesh Flinders|Mesh's]] often used nickname on his films was Hamster.

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'''Question:''' What happened with "[[the Cowboy (character)|the Cowboy]]"? Wasn't he supposed to be central to the plot?

'''Answer:''' While this seems to be a writing mistake, people have wondered if this could have been the same kidnapper from [[Las Vegas]].

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'''Question:''' What is the significance of [[Longitude 140|longitude]] and meridians? Bree made a whole video about it (and the story she told was a myth, which she treated as fact, which seems to indicate it is an important topic), Jonas talks about his parents being lost at sea at a particular longitude, Jonas says that Alex's mom used to talk about them a lot, then - so what's the big deal? Are meridians referring to geography or Chinese medicine, or something else entirely?

'''Answer:''' While we still are out on this one, maps do have a significance to the story.

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'''Question:''' Does [[Poor Pluto|Pluto]] have any significance in the story, as it has now been mentioned three times in the series?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on this one, Pluto seems to just symbolize outcasts. And as Bree often feels like an outcast, this could be her way of expressing that.

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'''Question:''' Did Bree and Jonas [[The Morning After|sleep together]], or did he just try to make it look that way?

'''Answer:''' While Jonas has not come out right and screamed to the world "WE HAD SEX," after all this time and no denial, we believe it is safe to speculate that they did.

==See also==
*[[Plot holes]]
*[[Theories About Characters]]

[[Category: Behind the scenes]]

Unanswered Questions

2007-09-05T00:03:17Z

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Since the suspense of Lonelygirl15 is built around a mystery, it is only natural there are many unanswered questions in the plot. This page tries to keep track of them and offers possible answers.

==Bree==
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[[image:Breescar.jpg|thumb|right|Bree's Scar]]
'''Question:''' What is the significance of the scar on [[Bree]]'s back, that was purposely shown in the [[Swimming!]] video? Is that the "mark" that the [[Hymn of One]] refers to?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, the "mark" that the Hymn of One refers to was created by a fan on the [[MySpace]] page. [[The Creators]] have yet to confirm that they kept it on for a reason.

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'''Question:''' What happened to Bree while she was with the Hymn of One? What made her all "Hymn-of-One-ish?" Why is her memory mixed up so badly? What is up with Bree's behavior after she was taken back to [[the rented cabin]]? Why did she make the video [[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]]? If she was being all crazy and spazzed out, how did she edit the video together? Why did she go into a zombie-trance thing in [[Bedside Manner]]? Why did she start responding to [[Jonas]]? Did she have a plan for [[The Morning After|escape]] the whole time, or did it come to her later on?

'''Answer:''' Bree was planning to do the [[the Ceremony (ritual)|Ceremony]] all along. She was completely [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|aware]] that her behavior was that of a lunatic or someone in a trance.

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'''Question:''' Why did Bree escape? Did she really want to go back to the Hymn of One, or was she forced?

'''Answer:''' Refer to Answer to Question 2.

==Daniel==
[[Image:Daniel_Cartoon.JPG|thumb|Right|Jonas was here!]]
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'''Question:''' What did Daniel talk about when Jonas hypnotized him? Did he really talk about Thursday night, or something else?

'''Answer:''' It is assumed that Jonas and Daniel were more so goofing off with that response, but it is possible that Jonas really does have hypnotic skills.

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'''Question:''' Is there any particular reason why Daniel doesn't like to go swimming?

'''Hole:''' While this was rumored, and discussed for a while, in [[Swimming!]] he did in fact go swimming. At one point in the video, you see Daniel soaking wet. To enforce the idea that Daniel swam, Bree can be heard saying "Daniel got in the water."
[[image:Wetdaniel.JPG|thumb|right|Daniel got into the water]]

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'''Question:''' In [[Confrontation]], [[Alex]] clearly didn't know how Daniel got in the house. How did he get in unnoticed, and what was he doing?

'''Answer:''' It has been known that Daniel has a skill for breaking and entering, as seen in [[Breaking And Entering]], [[Following The Helper]] and many more videos. He obviously broke into [[Alex's vacation house]], for the soul reason to confront Alex. However, did Bree know that this was the plan? We are unsure.
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==Cassie==
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'''Question:''' Who is [[Cassie]]?

'''Answer:''' Within the story, the answer was never really clear. We understood that she moved away, and Bree was not allowed to talk to her after some prank phone calls that they made. From [[the Creators]]'s end of things, we find out that Cassie was actually Bree's original name. In the original story that inspired the creation of Bree, [[Mesh Flinders]] created the central character with the name of Cassie, later on replacing her name for Bree for this series.

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'''Question:''' Why does Bree randomly remember her and bring her up?

'''Answer:''' With the way Bree talks about her, people have reasoned that Bree felt close to Cassie. She was able to relate to her. Bree also felt like Cassie was her connection to the outside world.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel not remember her?

'''Answer:''' A theory that is debated is that Daniel does remember her, but is not telling Bree, Jonas, [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], or [[Spencer]] just to keep himself safe from [[the Order]], as Cassie was either a hostage of the Order or a member. Another story is that Daniel was involved in a fight against the Order with Cassie, the Order kidnapped him, and he was brainwashed to never remember Cassie again.

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'''Question:''' Why was everyone so mean to her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. Perhaps she was just a lonely goth. Maybe she was a bookworm like Bree, and only had friends such as Daniel. Or maybe she was just known to the entire student body as "that freaky cult girl." She was most probably viewed as the outcast.

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'''Question:''' What freaked her out about Bree's religion (since up until recently Bree didn't talk about it much, which we know because Daniel didn't really know anything about it)?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. It is a debated theory that Cassie was on the run from [[the Order]] just like Bree and Daniel. But, because of the lack of information given about Cassie, we can not know.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel bring Cassie up in the video [[Miss Me?]]

'''Answer:''' Fans believe this was just a shout-out to the fan spin-off series [[Cassieiswatching]]. The video itself followed in Cassieiswatching's editing footpaths.

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'''Question:''' Is she actually connected to the Order, or has the Order just used her name because Bree talked about her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This is actually one of the biggest Cassie mysteries ever. Some fans believe she was just a normal high school girl. Others believe that she too was on the run from the Order. It is unknown if she even has anything to do with the Order. It is still to this day one of the more debated subjects within the [[Lonelygirl15]] universe.
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==Gemma==
[[Image:Gemma.jpg|thumb|left|Gemma, an Order ploy?]]
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'''Question:''' What was Gemma's real objective?

'''Answer:''' This was never fully answered in the videos, however the [[OpAphid]] game answered it, to a degree. Gemma's original mission was to dispose of "[[Brother]]," who was there infiltrating the Order in London through his relationship with Gemma. After that plan "supposedly" succeeded, Gemma was later on moved to California, to which guide Bree back into the hands of the Order. However, because of Gemma's previous experience with death, she felt the odd need to dispose of Bree.

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'''Question:''' Was she really working for the Order, or was it more complicated?

'''Answer:''' Many people feel it was more complicated due to conflicting statements within her videos. However the letters between Brother and Tachyon clearly indicate that Gemma was working within the ranks of the Order since the beginning.

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'''Question:''' Was she really shot by Brother, or was it a ruse?

'''Answer:''' Sources have been mixed on this one. While OpAphid and Brother seem confident that Gemma is now in fact dead, Gemma has been mysteriously logging into [[YouTube]] and [[MySpace]].

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[[image:PartyGuestsFinn.jpg|thumb|left|Finn the musician.]]
'''Question:''' Is [[the party guests#Finn|Finn]], the musician at the party, the same musician that Gemma went on a few dates with?

'''Answer:''' This all seemed to be one big rumor or speculation floating around, so let's just leave it at that.
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==Jonas==

[[Image:Jonas_crazy.JPG|thumb|right|Jonas in his father's study.]]

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'''Question:''' Was it just a coincidence that Jonas contacted Bree and offered to help her in her flight form the Order, and then later his parents turned out to be agents of [[the Resistance]]? Did Jonas know more than he revealed about his parents' activities?

'''Answer:''' Due to present circumstances (as of July 12th, 2007) the Jury seems to vote that this is all purely coincidence. Throughout the series we have learned that the Order has many branches that stem in every direction. So this is very possible.

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'''Question:''' Was there any significance to what Jonas was mumbling in his sleep when they were chasing down Alex in [[Missing Days]]? Could his parents have given him information that he didn't realize was information at the time?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However most feel that there is little significance. In case it is, Jonas said : "''Hm... Buy it! No, I don't try to--''" and "''Umm... you... it's hot, so turn it off.''"

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' When searching for Bree, why did Jonas have a mental break down at a lake?

'''Answer:''' The given situation calls for some emotional build up. A break down is bound to happen once in a while.

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'''Question:''' What is up with [[Like A Virgin|Jonas's email]] to [[Taylor]]? Why is it so out of character, and why are there so many mistakes?

'''Answer:''' While people argue that it is out of character, we have learned throughout the series that Jonas is a very self conscious and defensive man. So when faced with an attack, he attacks right back. In the email situation, Jonas indeed felt that he was being attacked by [[Sarah]], leading to a emotionally driven attack right back.

==Lucy==
[[Image:Lucy_The_Human_Ransom.JPG|thumb|right|Lucy is camera-shy.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the map locations on Lucy's computer? Are they locations of eligible Ceremony girls, or of places the Ceremony will be held, or what?

'''Answer:''' While this is still out for the Jury, there are many reason debated for these maps. There were five locations mapped, found on Lucy's computer:

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Zavalla+texas&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=31.158318,-94.426117&spn=0.017664,0.054245&t=h&om=1&iwloc=A Zavalla, Texas] 
31° 9'30.00?N 
94°25'34.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=La+Crete&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=58.193962,-116.419716&spn=0.043518,0.161018&t=h&om=1 La Crete, Alberta, Canada] 
58°12'9.10?N 
116°25'5.50?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wickenburg&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=33.967851,-112.747192&spn=0.136957,0.322037&t=h&om=1 Wickenburg, Arizona] 
33°58'7.00?N 
112°43'44.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=N+topanga+blvd&ie=UTF8&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=118.810383,329.765625&z=14&ll=34.088422,-118.586168&spn=0.034191,0.080509&t=h&om=1 North Topanga Canyon Blvd., Topanga, CA] 
34° 5'37.00?N 
118°36'2.00?W

[http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=adak+island+alaska&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&z=13&ll=51.825275,-176.653805&spn=0.048168,0.106258 Adak Island, Alaska]. 
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North Topanga Canyon Blvd, Topanga, CA and Zavalla, Texas are both confirmed locations of events within the Breeniverse. North Topanga Canyon Blvd is the location of the Dead Horse Trail, in which the Ceremony was said to take place (both fake and real), and Zavalla, Texas is where they found Jules. It is probable that these are location of candidates for Ceremony girls, as the evidence with [[Jules]] shows. However, as Jules was bait to lure Bree into the hands of Hymn of One, it may be just a falsified reason given by the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why does Lucy seem to show up all of the time, even in Mexico?

'''Answer:''' While this one seems to be the magic mystery, we know that Lucy is Bree's "Helper." We know that "Helpers" are also like protectors almost. Making sure that Bree does the right thing. Concerning the Hymn of One, the Ceremony is the right thing. If Lucy did not follow Bree, Lucy would not be following her job description as a Helper.

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'''Question:''' Is there more to her than we know?

'''Answer:''' Well, this is a smart ass remark, but we know nothing about her really. So, probably yes.

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'''Question:''' Why hasn't she been seen since she showed up in Zavalla? Where is she now?

'''Answer:''' Well the obvious answer is because the Hymn of One has Bree now, therefore that portion of her job is complete. However, questions still remain pertaining to what will she do with Daniel, Jonas, Taylor and Sarah.

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'''Question:''' Why is her computer gone from her apartment? Why did she leave behind a map? Wouldn't she have taken it with when she was traveling?

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out on this one (as of July 12th, 2007), however, the general feeling is that the computer and information is gone because she, and the Order, know that Daniel and [[Nikki Bower]] have been breaking and entering into her apartment. While the smart thing to do would be to up security, we know that Lucy likes to play mind games with the group. So leaving clues for them wherever she goes is a great way to lead the mice into her trap.
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==Watchers ==
[[Image:Watcher_symbol.JPG|thumb|right|The Watcher symbol.]]
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'''Question:''' What are Watchers, and what side are they on? What is their goal/purpose?

'''Answer:''' From what we have so far been told, the Watchers are there to watch and protect Bree. They will not harm her, or touch her, but watch her location and hold down the fort (if you will) until back up arrives.

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[[Image:Ftw motel window.jpg|thumb|left|The Watcher uniform]]
'''Question:''' Why do Watchers (and apparently most Order members) dress the same? Wouldn't their jobs be easier if they weren't as easily recognizable?

'''Answer:''' It is a well known fact that Cults use a specified uniform to make every feel equal and unified.{{clr}}

==Deacons and Elders==
[[Image:Deacon.gif|thumb|right|A Deacon in front of Bree's house.]]

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'''Question:''' Who are the Deacons? Do they think they are really a part of a religion, or do they know that Hymn of One is just a front for the Order?

'''Answer:''' Since we know absolutely nothing about them and we haven't been told anything about them really, we can't really say.

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'''Question:''' What is the relationship between Deacons and Elders?

'''Answer:''' There are several people that think that Elders and Deacons are the same thing. But according to Bree, Elders are higher up than the Deacons, who are community-level. Apparently in the Hymn of One, it is an honor just to be in the presence of the Elders.
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==Alex==
[[Image:Alex_confrontation.JPG|thumb|left|Alex's confrontation.]]

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'''Question:''' Which side is she on -- does she really think she's helping [[the Resistance]], or is she against them?

'''Answer:''' While the Jury is still out on this, because of the phone call that Daniel overheard, the feeling is that because she did not know she was being filmed, she is conflicted. This is when people noted that there were great divisions amongst the Order's ranks on [[free will]].

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'''Question:''' Who was her husband? Why did they divorce?

'''Answer:''' With no explanation to the divorce, it has been speculated that Alex's ex-husband is [[The party guests#David|David]].

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'''Question:''' What happened on her 26th birthday that made her give up photography?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet

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'''Question:''' Why did [[Lucy]] pick Alex up at the beach in [[Mexico]]? Where is she now and what is she doing?

'''Answer:''' Once again, no real answer. However, because of a similar circumstance with [[Bree]]'s [[Bree's parents#Father|father]], Drew Avery, we feel that Alex was picked up for betraying the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why did she up and move? Where did all her stuff go? How come nobody has seen her? Why does the moving sign outside of her house say "JUST KNOCK!"? Why did she disappear at the same time as Lucy?
[[image:Justknock.JPG|thumb|right|Just Knock !?!]]

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out of this one. However, with the threatening aura surrounding Lucy's crew in the Order, the belief is that Lucy has packed up Alex's stuff and disposed of it. Why? Well, people feel that because Alex betrayed the Order, like Drew Avery and [[Tachyon]]'s family, she met the same fate, thus, leaving her stuff open for the taking. Unlike Tachyon's family, Alex's stuff was not left behind. Maybe the Order learned their lesson with Tachyon's family, noting that people notice when people disappear and leave their stuff behind.

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'''Question:''' What are the principles that Alex offers to recite on the phone in [[Lying Bastards]]? Who was she talking to?

'''Answer:''' The feeling is that she was talking to Lucy, as they are so close. However, there is no real way to confirm that (as we could not hear the other end of the call). However, people feel that she was speaking of the general principle of [[free will]] that the Order seems to recognize during the Ceremony. Every girl who performs the Ceremony must do so under her own free will. However, in Bree's case, the Order is manipulating her judgment, to make her free will work for their own profit, therefore eliminating the principle behind free will.

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'''Question:''' When Alex told Bree, "They have another girl," did she mean Jules, herself, or someone else?

'''Answer:''' After the emerging of Jules, this caused for a lot of confusion. While all the evidence seemingly pointed to Alex's change of heart, leading the crew to Jules almost seemed like she was in on the whole plan. Some people believe that she may have said that, as that was the original plan to lure Bree into the trap, but she refused to do so. By saying it, she may have believed it would have saved her from the same fate as Bree's father.

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'''Question:''' Why did Alex go back to the Order and what was the "one step" she had remaining?

'''Answer:''' While this is not known, the feeling is that she was forced to go back to the Order.

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'''Question:''' Who was Alex talking about that she had visited [[The Perfect Beach]] with?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, there is speculation it could have been a boyfriend or her former husband.

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'''Question:''' Is she really in the fashion business, or does she travel around doing work for the Order with that as a cover?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet.
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==Nikki Bower==
[[Image:NBR3_Nikki_Bed.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki Bower investigates!]]

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'''Question:''' What about Nikki B.? Is she canon now, or was that a one-time-deal?

'''Answer:''' While [[the Creators]] insist that Nikki B. is not [[canon]], she seems to be the fan's liaison between the real world and the [[Breeniverse]].

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'''Question:''' What was Nikki B. doing undercover with the [[Hymn of One]]?

'''Answer:''' While this came as a complete shock to everyone, she seemed to be doing what all good investigative reporters do: investigate.

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'''Question:''' Since Nikki B. was the one that told [[BDJ]] that Jules was the new girl, and Jules just seemed to be a trap, is Nikki B. really a member of the Order?

'''Answer:''' Because of her most recent video, we know now that she is not a member of the Hymn of One, but she was kicked out as chocolate is not allowed. We also learned that she was just undercover.
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==Jules==
[[Image:Jules_Kidnapping_Restraints.jpg|thumb|left|Jules - the "new girl"?]]
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'''Question:''' What about Jules? Was she a distraction, bait, or was she really a new Ceremony girl?

'''Answer:''' Because Jules really did not seem to know anything about the Ceremony, and because she seemed drone-like when Lucy came, the feeling is that she was just bait to lure Bree in. After Bree was lured in, we also learned that Jules was trait negative. For some reason we just assumed that Bree was trait positive, and onward we went on a [[Isaac Gilman|mad scientist]] hunt.

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'''Question:''' Why does her birth certificate say that she is not adopted? Are her parents actually her biological parents, or is it a cover from the Order so that no one knows she is adopted?

'''Answer:''' Because we now know that she is not a candidate for the Ceremony, we can say that she would not have been adopted, definitely. When we discovered that girls were adopted, one crucial statement was misinterpreted by some to say that most girls are adopted, then they select possible candidates. However, this is not the case. The girls that are taken from their birth parents are in fact candidates from the beginning. However, as time progresses, certain females seem more suitable for the Ceremony.

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[[image:194-Epogen Symbol.jpg|thumb|right|Isn't that the symbol from the Epogen box?]]
'''Question:''' Why did she have the symbol for [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] in her file, and what is "trait negative"? Is she missing one of the traits that Bree mentioned?

'''Answer:''' Unfortunately for us, this is not the symbol for EPOGEN. The symbol that was on her file, was the symbol for the company that distributes EPOGEN, which presumably is the Order. Currently (as of July, 12 2007) we are learning more about what these traits really mean. For more information, stay tuned and check out [[The Bree Solution]].
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==Sarah==
[[Image:Sarah_Myspace_Pic.jpg|thumb|left|Sarah enjoys a good time!]]
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'''Question:''' Why did Sarah leave home and join the boys?

'''Answer:''' The general feeling for this situation is that Sarah simply disliked her home situation. And because she had graduated, she felt that the time was right to leave home.

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'''Question:''' Why has Sarah fallen for Daniel so quickly? Does she really like him, or is she using him for something?

'''Answer:''' From her actions and words in '12 in 12' it would seem Sarah really did like Daniel, but it may still be a rouse for the Order.

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'''Question:''' Is Sarah really as promiscuous as she claims?

'''Answer:''' While this hasn't be discussed, as Taylor has claimed before her sister has that Sarah is "a slut," then it may be safe to assume that she is in fact very promiscuous. However, there is no way to determine whether this is really a cry for attention or an act of the truth.

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'''Question:''' Why does she make such a huge deal about "fun" in "[[Everybody Does It ;)]]?"

'''Answer:''' This seemed to be the "Sarah Way" of helping Jonas. In the end, it was actually very mean of her to do.
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==Isaac and Spencer Gilman==
[[Image:Spencer2.jpg|thumb|right|The Corporate Spencer.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the [[Wyman Foundation]]?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know much, we do know that Isaac Gilman worked for them, and that they seem to be the foundation of the Resistance or a cover for the Resistance, like the Hymn of One is to the Order. However, none of that has been confirmed.
[[image:WFound.JPG|thumb|left|The Wyman Foundation]]

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'''Question:''' Who is Isaac Gilman? What kind of work did he do with genetics?

'''Answer:''' What we do know is Isaac Gilman was a friend of Bree's father. He was trying to come up with a serum to make Bree go from trait positive to negative, so Bree would be protected from doing the Ceremony. And there is a belief that his initials appear on the documents found in [[Jonas's cabin]].

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'''Question:''' Who is "the Mistress?"
[[image:0218-TheMistress.jpg|thumb|right|Who was she?]]
'''Answer:''' She seemed to be a lover of Isaac. The idea that people have gotten, is that because she was seen in [[Uncle Dan|the party video]] (thanks to the power of photoshop we have determined that), we feel that she may work with the Order as well, and could have possibly been in a similar situation as Bree's Father (working against the Order from within). This could have been the reason behind hiding her face.

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'''Question:''' Who is Ted Fuller?

'''Answer:''' As described in the blog, Ted Fuller was friends and Sunday Tennis partners with Isaac.

"(Christmas came early in Bev Hills)
As many of you know, my Sunday morning doubles partner, Isaac Gilman, was recently honored by the board of the Wyman Foundation for his advances in genetic something-something. BIG WINK! I know Isaac is a brilliant scientist but, to be honest, his achievements at the net are the key to him being at the top of my buddy list! Last Saturday morning, Isaac and I took on Bev Hills' terrible twosome - Jim Goody & Peter Flood. To say that we won would not and could not embrace the defeat 'that we delivered. Best of three sets? 6-2 6-1 (third set just not needed) Nuf said. I toast to you, Isaac! You are a good man and, more importantly, a great tennis partner."

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'''Question:''' What were the injections Isaac Gilman was giving Bree? Were they to make her 'trait-negative'?

'''Answer:''' While we do not know what they were, from the information that we have been given, it appears that they were to make her trait negative.

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'''Question:''' What caused Isaac Gilman's car to crash? Was he killed by the same people who killed Bree's dad? Is there a connection between the deaths of Bree's dad, Gilman and Gemma (who were all killed the same day)?

'''Answer:''' While this is unknown, it has become growingly suspicious as time wears on. The growing theory is that the Order in fact killed Isaac Gilman, to prevent him from getting in their way.
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==Bree's Parents: Drew and Mrs. Avery==
[[Image:BreesParents.gif|thumb|left|Bree's mom and dad.]]

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'''Question:''' What did Bree's dad say that made Bree not want to contact her mother? Is there anything that Bree and her father discussed (other than the obvious information about Bree's mom) that we don't know yet?

'''Answer:''' While we may never know this, there is a lot of speculation out there. Some think that Bree's mother may be [[OpAphid]], or on the same level as OpAphid.

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'''Question:''' Why did she get upset that Bree "projected weakness" by crying?

'''Answer:''' While, this is completely unknown, and we may never know, the feeling is that the Order is full of very strong women. It is possible that Bree's mother was hoping that Bree could have some day worked with her, or even taken over her spot one day.

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'''Question:''' Do we really know that Bree's dad is dead?

'''Answer:''' While we have never been given straight forward confirmation on this, the feeling is that he is dead.

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'''Question:''' If he knew the Ceremony was bad and that she shouldn't be doing it, why did he let her prepare for it? Why didn't he put a stop to it all sooner? Why did he keep giving her [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]]? Why didn't he tell Bree about his concerns either before things got out of control, or the day he was shot? Why didn't he tell her how to lower her ribozyme levels without his help?

'''Answer:''' These questions have never been discussed within the show, however there has been debate between fans on this part of the story. Because of the environment that Bree's father was in, he would not inform Bree in case of ruining his cover. Bree was raised in a very loyal Hymn of One home. The possibility for Bree's father's cover to been blown away was very real with his wife being a leading member of the society. If Bree's father attempted any type of blocking [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]], the [[Hymn of One]] could potentially become suspicious. Also, it has become very apparent since [[The Unthinkable Happened]] video, that her father didn't feel that she was emotionally capable of handling the information he knew about the Order. As time progressed however, it became more and more crucial that she know so she could expose it to the world. As for the EPOGEN, the general belief was that her father was no giving Bree EPOGEN at all, but giving her the serum that Dr. Isaac Gilman created for her to make her trait negative. Or possibly, tested different forms of serums. Is it possible that the EPOGEN, was supposed to enhance the trait positive? Remember though, none of this information has in fact been fully confirmed. So it is still very much debatable.

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'''Question:''' What about the fact that they were not her biological parents? Where are her biological parents? Did they give her up willingly, or was she taken? Are her biological parents in Hymn of One? What about her adoptive parents qualified them to raise Bree, and what did her biological parents lack that disqualified them?

'''Answer:''' The evidence within the videos have shown us that, while this is still debated, Bree's biological parents were not in the Hymn of One and that Bree was taken unwillingly. However, no conclusive evidence has proven this, the quotes stated by Bree do elude to this fact. Due to the fact Bree is unaware of the location of her biological parents, we do not know their location, nor do we know what are the qualifications for the adoptive parents. However we do know that the home is a "controlled" environment to better the girls chances for the Ceremony. How these "controls" effect the outcome of the girls, we do not know yet.

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'''Question:''' Why is Bree suddenly happy with her mother again?

'''Answer:''' We now know that Bree's final weeks were a ruse by her to trick everyone. She probably pretended to be happy with her mother.
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==Jonas's Parents==
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'''Question:''' What's going on with the whole plot involving Jonas's parents? Are they really still alive? Where are they, and why have they been gone so long?

'''Answer:''' Thanks to LaRezisto, we now know that Jonas's parents are alive and in the Hymn of One, do not remember Jonas, and have a young teen or preteen daughter [[Emma]]. See [[A Family Affair]].

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'''Question:''' What is the "whacked-out, crazy stuff" that Alex's mom accused Jonas's dad of?

'''Answer:''' If you looked back on the Bree videos, you will notice that Bree often found that the activities that Daniel were involved in were "weird." Is it possible that the every day activities of outsiders of the Hymn of One were viewed as "whacked-out, crazy stuff?" You decide.

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'''Question:''' Was there more to Alex's mom's death than just an accident? What are these pictures that the Order had, proving that Jonas's dad was involved with her death?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, because of the nature of the situation between Jonas's father and her, and the situation that seemed to surround the trio, growing suspicions say that the Order may have done away with her. If this is in fact the case, is it possible that Alex knows this, or is the Order leading her on as well?
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==Other Parents==
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'''Question:''' Why was Alex's mom afraid of planes (in "[[Apology Accepted?]]" we find out she said that "planes don't fly, they crash.")?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This may just be a personality trait to make her seem more human to the fans.

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'''Question:''' What's wrong between Taylor and Sarah's parents? What was in the message that their dad left that made their mom so sad?

'''Answer:''' Taylors mom and dad seemingly are in a midlife crisis divorce. Meaning one parent leaves for a much older and gravity praising partner, while the other one is left in the dust. As time progresses, the one left standing in the dust, become to follow the same pursuit, as a form of revenge, and in turn finds a more attractive younger suitor. When there are children involved, this usually ends up hurting the children, usually leaving them enraged and vengeful.
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==Order/Hymn of One==
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'''Question:''' What is the difference (if any) between the Order and the Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' While there doesn't seem to be a clear distinction between the two, what we have been told is that the Hymn of One is in fact a cover up for the Order, allowing them to do what they feel they need to do.

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'''Question:''' What is the connection between the Order and [[Possible influences of Bree's religion|ancient Egypt]]? Is there any reason beyond some way to lend credibility to Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' The Egyptian mysticism seems to be just one of the seemingly thousands of religions that the Hymn of One has pulled influences from.

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'''Question:''' Why are there conflicting ideas about capturing Bree within the Order?

'''Answer:''' While this is being debated still to this day, the general feeling is that there seems to be much division within the Order and The Hymn of One with Bree. While some see it as it must be done completely under her own [[free will]], others feel they can manipulate her free will for their own profit and others feel that they can simply force her to do the Ceremony. This feeling came about during the [[Alex]] days. We really began to notice that, even within the Order, people were choosing sides.

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'''Question:''' What is the significance of all of the "free will" talk in the Order? Is it just something that the Hymn of One uses to get people in, or is it really part of the Order's objectives, or what?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, it is known that many religions focus a lot on free will. We also know that many cults use free will, and manipulation of free will to obtain and comfort their members.

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'''Question:''' What is the "eternal song"? Is it literally a song, or just a metaphor of some kind?

'''Answer:''' Due to the information provided at [[It's A Cult|the seminar]] and through the videos, the feeling that we have been giving is that it is more of a metaphor, but can be taken on a literal sense as well. The feeling that we have been given is that for every person, there seems to be a different eternal song. However, this has not been fully confirmed.

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'''Question:''' Why did the Hymn of One ask what it did on the "audition" survey? What were the significances of the various answers?

'''Answer:''' While there is no definite answer on this, this seemed to be to determine the personality qualities and how they would fit into their belief system, or how they could help you become more like them.

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'''Question:''' What is with the mantra "The Hymn of One is fun?"

'''Answer:''' This seems to be just a mantra to lure followers into the Cult. Many Cults use these type of mantra's to lure people under their own "free will," along with treats such as [[spin art]] and pizza.
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==The Resistance==
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'''Question:''' What is in "the Order of the Modern Empire" other than the Theta/Pi symbol and list of initials?

'''Answer:''' the Order of the Modern Empire is what seems to be a brief run down of the History of the Order, the Objectives, the Projects and important members and their history. While we haven't gotten a direct copy of what it is, Daniel and Jonas did let us know that is is a very well put together document outlining the Modern Day history. As for the OpAphid release of information, it has been suspected that there may be some crucial evidence on a certain page, as on the bottom of the OpAphid page, there was a page number. However, that has yet to be confirmed as well.
[[image:Semiotics.jpg|thumb|right|What we were given by Tachyon]]

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'''Question:''' Is there still a resistance group alive (besides our trio, of course)?

'''Answer:''' While we are almost lead to believe that Isaac Gilman and Drew Avery were the last of the Resistance, because of the early Hymn of One videos and the messages contained in them, it may be safe to assume that there are in fact more members of the Resistance within the ranks of the Order.

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'''Question:''' Besides physical training, did Bree learn anything from [[Tachyon]] during her recent stay with her?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, it seemed that Bree may have learned a bit about maturity and how to handle herself in certain situations.

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'''Question:''' What does the stuff on the whiteboard in the bunker mean? What did they change it to say?

'''Answer:'''
Here is a photograph of the Whiteboard when we first saw it.

[[Image:0173-Whiteboard.jpg]]

What we have figured it to say is Under Elders (Denderah?):

*9? 12? 18?
*Deacon. Community leaders. Zealots. DO THEY KNOW???
*Helper. "Nursemaid"
*The Flock. Religion members. They don't know ANYTHING (then something I can't read)
*Watcher. Protector?
*"OTS" NOT Watchers. What are they?
*(Within the circle) Girl(s)? Blood, Something in it?
*Under the circle, the word Ceremony? appears, also surrounded by question marks

Here is the Recreation of the whiteboard:

[[Image:recreatewhiteboard.JPG]]

While in a video shortly after showed changes in the whiteboard, I have yet to find the pictures of the changes

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'''Question:''' What else did they find in the bunker? Was there anything to find?

'''Answer:''' It was discussed slightly that they had found the bare essentials for research and living in the bunker. However no information about documents or materials that could help the fight against the Order was discussed other then the white board.
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==The Ceremony==
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'''Question:''' In "[[Order of Denderah]]", it is implied that the Ceremony takes place in mid-October- is this the only time it takes place?

'''Answer:''' [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|Bree's Ceremony]] took place on August 3rd.

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'''Question:''' What is the Ceremony, anyway? Why is it so important that it be done, especially since Hymn of One isn't even a real religion? Or is it a real religion that the Order takes advantage of?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't gotten a full explination of what the Ceremony is, we do have some interesting information to go on. So far we have learned that the Ceremony involves blood, and possibly a loss of a large amount of blood. The evidence that points to this are [[Bree's injections]] being [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] and her diet containing lots of Iron filled foods such as red meats. We also know that the Ceremony must have more to do with Blood and possible regeneration due to the information given to us through the RNA clues and hints. The Ceremony kills the girl involved, presumably through blood loss. [[Steve]] of the KateModern series [[Free Will (video)|suggested]] that the [[Elders]] use the Ceremony girls' blood for eternal life.

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'''Question:''' What were the exercises that Bree and Jules talked about? What is the selection process for girls to be chosen for the Ceremony? Why Bree and Jules (if, of course, Jules was actually a Ceremony girl)?

'''Solutions''' While Bree still hasn't told us what these exercises were, due to recent events, we may be able to assume that these exercises are to help induce better circulation.

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'''Question:''' What is different about them than the other girls placed in "controlled environments?"

'''Answer:''' We are still figuring this one out! Stay Tuned! (July 12, 2007)

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'''Question:''' What specific aspect of the Ceremony requires use of EPOGEN?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't 100% sure, and nothing has been confirmed, this may be a method used by the Order to enhance her trait, or enforce her trait.

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'''Question:''' What [[Bree's diet|special diet]] was Bree on, and why (we know she said it involves a lot of red meat and avoiding sugar, but what else does it entail, and why)? If Jules isn't a Ceremony girl, why was she doing exercises and on a special diet?

'''Answer:''' Well, for one thing, if Jules wasn't a Ceremony girl, and was just bait, everything she said may not be that creditable. So she may have no been doing exercises and she may not have been on a diet, but just told us that to bait Bree in. As for the information Bree gave us, it would appear that at least one aspect of her diet was that it was high in iron (she was also put on iron supplement pills). [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_iron_metabolism Iron] is essential to red blood cells. However, very high levels of iron intake can be toxic.

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'''Question:''' What exactly is the "[[purity bond]]" and why is it crucial?

'''Answer:''' While this is still under much debate, people wonder if the purity bond was ever really that crucial. People are now wondering if it was actually more of a cover and a ploy to make it seem more creditable as an actual religious Ceremony other then something else.

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'''Question:''' What was Bree's dad giving her that could lower her ribozyme levels?

'''Answer:''' As we are still learning about the serum, we do not really know yet. So stay tuned!

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'''Question:''' If women are so important to the Order, couldn't they just use trait positive boys for the ceremony?

'''Answer:'''
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==The Party==
[[Image:0154Toby3.jpg|thumb|right|Toby at the party.]]
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'''Question:''' At the party in the "[[Uncle Dan]]" videos, why do they very obviously point out the musician guy?

'''Answer:''' The musician guy seemed to be the rudest one at the party, so that could have simply been the answer to this question. However some people speculate that this is the musician that [[Gemma]] dated. Or it could just simply be a more obvious way to enforce to us fans that Daniel is a geek.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Who was the guy arguing with Alex, and why were they arguing?

'''Answer:''' While the answer to who he was, was never clearly given, they answer to why they were arguing was clearly given within that video. The guy obviously felt completely uncomfortable by Daniel and Jonas being there. While the majority of the persons at the party seemed to be with the Order, we have assumed that because this was a party concerning Order relations, this may be someone who in fact knows exactly who they are, and what threat they pose to the safety and secrecy of the Order. This could be why he was not comfortable with Jonas and Daniel being there, and he may have even been the informant to Lucy that Alex was in fact feeling for their situation.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Why does Toby struggle to say Beth is a reporter and then Beth cuts him off?

'''Answer:''' Some people have questioned this, and have concluded that some of these "back stories" that people have given may have been a cover up. Once Daniel and Jonas walked into the room, they knew they were dealing with outsiders, so they felt the need to be secretive about their purposes there. Some people also believe that this may have been a trap to lure Daniel into speaking about Bree and their situation as to the interesting reaction people gave to Jonas when he began to mention why he was visiting his Aunt. So some people believe that these may have been made up stories to help enhance the trusting mood within the party.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What about the comment about Jonas's "file"?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't been confirmed on this, there is speculation that this file that they spoke about what the file that they found at Alex house. Some people also believe that there is information that the Order has recently discovered that they may have missed in their clean up of Jonas's parents lives. Some people have also gone as far as speculating that the Order in fact wants Jonas's money, as they feel it rightfully belongs to them, as supposedly Jonas's parents are members of the Order now.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5, 6, and 7}}
[[Image:CarlaJonasFace.jpg|thumb|left|Jonas is embarrassed by Carla's advances.]]
'''Question:''' What did Alex tell [[Sonia]] about Jonas? Why would she talk about him if she hasn't seen him in about six years?

'''Question:''' Why does [[Carl]] flip out when Daniel tries to talk to Sonia and him?

'''Question:''' Why was there a picture of Lucy, and who is the other woman? Is the other woman [[Rebecca]]? Was she really lying about her connections to the Order and Hymn of One? Why did she invite Daniel in for tea?

}}Solution to The Party }}
The remainder of the questions seem to gear around one simplified answer. The party was a gathering of member of the Hymn of One. Either they were all completely taken aback to see two members of the internationally known Resistance at their party, or this was all stages to lure them into speaking about Bree and leading them to her. While the debate is still wavering along, the clear solution here is that the party was in fact a gather of the Order and the fact that Daniel and Jonas, two people who are publicly known as against the Order, made them completely uncomfortable. They probably thought that Jonas and Daniel knew what was going on, and possibly Alex was in on it. Remember though, none of this has really been confirmed. It's been hinted at, but not directly confirmed yet. While we can probably safely assume this with the appearance of attendees of the party within the Hymn of One videos, we can not 100% say for sure just yet.
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==Capture in Vegas==
[[Image:0162-DanielBeingTortured.jpg|thumb|right|[[Psychological Torture]].]]
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'''Question:''' Who captured Bree, Daniel and Jonas?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't been told who did it, what we do know is that it wasn't a Watcher. A Watcher actually saved them, not Tachyon! Some people speculate that it may have been OpAphid, but then we found out that the kidnapper was male, so that theory was thrown out. What is commonly believed now, however is that the person who kidnapped them did in fact work for OpAphid, and due to the severity of the circumstance, OpAphid went MIA.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Who was the interrogator?

'''Answer:''' This is assumed to be the same person who kidnapped them, as we were given information indicating that there was only one person involved.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Where were they staying?

'''Answer:''' According to Nikki B's investigation, it seemed to be a off-highway motel. While this has not been 100% confirmed as of this date, most people assume this is where they were held captive.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' How did they escape?

'''Answer:''' Absolutely no information was given yet on how they escaped. What we do know is that all they remember is being captured, then running through the desert. They also remember the Watcher shooting the kidnapper.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' Why did a Watcher kill their captor and let them go?

'''Answer:''' While we have no confirmation on this, the general feeling is the Watchers are there to watch and protect. If they do this, then they probably call for back up to obtain Bree.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' How did they find Jonas's car again?

'''Answer:''' While this is unclear, and has not been confirmed, we have assumed that Jonas found his car in the desert after the kidnapper was shot. The motel was probably located close by to the location of shooting, leaving Bree, Daniel and Jonas to walk to their vehicle.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 7}}
'''Question:''' We know Bree was told to do the Ceremony, and Daniel was told to go home, but what exactly was Jonas asked about? When they asked about his parents' death, why did he say "I don't want to play anymore?" Why does the interrogator say "This is no game?" Does Jonas know more about his parents' death than he realizes (maybe it's in his subconscious somewhere)?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, really at this point only time will tell.
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==The Box==
[[Image:0201-DanielOpeningABox.jpg|thumb|left|A mysterious box left by Drew Avery.]]
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why did Bree's dad leave a box under a stump?

'''Answer:''' It seems that Bree's father left the information under a stump because he wanted Bree to know what was going on exactly. While this hasn't been 100% confirmed, it seemed that Bree held onto the letter because she felt that she could figure it out herself. When she couldn't, obviously it lead to her capture and return to the Hymn of One. When Daniel and Jonas released the letter, it lead us to this stump. It contained information pertaining to Bree's condition and why she is trait Positive. While we have not been able to see 100% what the information is, it is obviously very important to Gilman's research.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What was in the rest of the letter from Bree's dad in the box?

'''Answer:''' So far what we do know is that is says the following:
"Dear Bree, I'm so happy that you were able to find this box. Right now, you're with Daniel. I'm not sure when I'll be able to see you again, but I want you to know that I have faith that you'll find your way. I've raised you to be the strong and independent person that you are. Follow your heart. Don't let others influence you with promises of inner peace and salvation. We both know that doesn't exist in the world of science. This box holds many more important secrets of the Hymn of One, you, and what lies ahead in your life."

What we don't know is what Daniel says he is not ready to read yet. Why? Well we don't really know. What could it be?

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What else was in the notebook with the ribozyme charts?

'''Answer:''' Only time will tell. How could we know, if Daniel and Jonas don't ever know?

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Was there anything else in the box?

'''Answer:''' What was in the box? We know that there was a letter, a notebook filled with information, graphs showing Bree's levels of ribzomes or her special ribzome and a collage that Bree made for her father.
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==Hymn of One Videos==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why does "Sing With Me" open with a large star in the middle of the screen followed by a smaller shooting star?

'''Answer:''' Well as this hasn't been confirmed, we can speculate that astronomy has a large part to do with the teachings of the Hymn of One. As we know, Bree is a big fan and extremely knowledgeable about astronomy. Otherwise, it could have just been a funky eye catching graphic.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Why are Sonia and Carl with Bree?

'''Answer:''' As we don't know for sure, we speculate that they are recruiters as they were at the seminar, and these are recruitment videos.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
[[Image:Breewithsonyacarl.JPG|thumb|right|Bree's bandage is visible through her blouse.]]
'''Question:''' Why is Bree wearing a bandage again? Is she taking EPOGEN again?

'''Answer:''' While it hasn't been confirmed, it is believed the Bree will go ahead with the Ceremony. Therefore, the rebuilding of her strength to be able to complete the Ceremony is crucial.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Why is everyone wearing white? Why is Bree wearing jeans, when the other two are wearing either khaki pants?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know for sure, what we do know is that within Cults, they often feel the need to strengthen bonds between their sisters and brothers by becoming unified in not only thought, but also appearance. An example of this is Heavens Gate.

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'''Question:''' Why is there a shot of Boston at the end of each video?

'''Answer:''' While we are still debating this, this seems to be just a graphic used. However it may be a new location for the adventure to take place.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' How are secret messages ending up in the Hymn of One videos? Who put them there, and why?

'''Answer:''' As we found out in Mission Possible Alex is TCC. We found out that Alex was in fact the mole, and who was the person who put the messages into the Hymn of One videos.

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==Back Story==
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the girl abducted in 1943 by Crowley (since we know it is an event that never actually happened)?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on what the significance really is, we do know it may be important. However, it may have been another oops on the creators researching part, as there are many fictional stories concerning Crowley. Hopefully it will be revealed in the future.

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'''Question:''' Who is the family that Gemma says disappeared? If she really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, that family disappeared? What happened to them? Did they really exist, or did Gemma (or someone telling her what to say) invent them?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know the full story on this family, what we do know is that this is in fact Tachyon's family. We do know that something extreme happened to them, and we also know that Tachyon did not wish to speak of them too often as she did not look at them too fondly. However, once again, we do not know the full story, and may never know now.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What happened between Taylor's parents? Is it significant to the story, or is it just character background?

'''Answer:''' While some people feel that there is more to the story, we can only take it for what we have been told. What we have been told is that Taylor and Sarah's father left their mother for a younger woman. It seems to be just character background, but because this is the [[Breeniverse]] we can never be too sure.
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==Random==
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'''Question:''' Why is the tag "hamster" used in quite a few videos that have nothing to do with hamsters?

'''Answer:''' This is something we do know. Hamster was used in a tag in the videos as [[Mesh Flinders|Mesh's]] often used nickname on his films was Hamster.

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'''Question:''' What happened with "[[the Cowboy (character)|the Cowboy]]"? Wasn't he supposed to be central to the plot?

'''Answer:''' While this seems to be a writing mistake, people have wondered if this could have been the same kidnapper from [[Las Vegas]].

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What is the significance of [[Longitude 140|longitude]] and meridians? Bree made a whole video about it (and the story she told was a myth, which she treated as fact, which seems to indicate it is an important topic), Jonas talks about his parents being lost at sea at a particular longitude, Jonas says that Alex's mom used to talk about them a lot, then - so what's the big deal? Are meridians referring to geography or Chinese medicine, or something else entirely?

'''Answer:''' While we still are out on this one, maps do have a significance to the story.

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'''Question:''' Does [[Poor Pluto|Pluto]] have any significance in the story, as it has now been mentioned three times in the series?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on this one, Pluto seems to just symbolize outcasts. And as Bree often feels like an outcast, this could be her way of expressing that.

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'''Question:''' Did Bree and Jonas [[The Morning After|sleep together]], or did he just try to make it look that way?

'''Answer:''' While Jonas has not come out right and screamed to the world "WE HAD SEX," after all this time and no denial, we believe it is safe to speculate that they did.

==See also==
*[[Plot holes]]
*[[Theories About Characters]]

[[Category: Behind the scenes]]

Theories About Characters

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This page is used to post your theories about [[characters]], not including [[ARG]] characters such as [[Tachyon]], [[cassieiswatching|CiW]], etc. You can put anything from what the character's motives are, what they will do in the next video, or even what something from their first video meant.

==lonelygirl15==

===Bree===
*Her full name is Bree Avery because her father's name is [[Bree's parents|Drew Avery]]. (proven)
*She is a [[moonchild]].
*Bree isn't actually dead.
*Bree is not dead, but will not be returning.
*The Order didn't kill Bree, they made it look like she died so Daniel and Jonas would stop chasing her.
*After doing the ceremony, Bree loses her past memories and becomes Jen K, a [[Greek|college]] student.
*Bree as Jen K, will be seen by Daniel and Jonas and they try to talk to her but discover that she has no memory of them.
*Bree may be [[Kate]]'s biological sister.

===Daniel===
*Daniel is [[Scott]]. (disproven)
*Daniel is [[LaRezisto]].

===The Order===
*The Elders are the only ones who have information about the Order.
*The Order preformed Bree's ceremony incorrectly, and she was not actually supposed to die.
*Though members of the Order are also members of the Hymn Of One, they are two seperate factions.
*When the Order attempted to kidnap Emma, they were supposed to kill Jonas as well.
*They didn't use the Ceremony to lure Emma in because they feared she might have seen the lg15 videos.

===Jonas===
*Jonas will become depressed after losing Bree and kill himself.
*Jonas will tell Emma about his adventures with Bree and Daniel and they will fight the Order.
*Jonas will become brainwashed by the Order.

===Taylor===
*[[Taylor]] is a plant by the Order.
*Taylor is not biologically related to [[Sarah]].
*She is a [[Watcher]]. (disproven)
*She will use her knowledge of computer hacking to help take down the Order.
*Taylor is with the Order and trying to distract Spencer Gilman.

===Sarah===
*Sarah is a plant by the Order.
*Sarah is jealous of Bree. (proven)
*Sarah is not related to Taylor by blood.
*Sarah, as a plant by the Order, is present to distract Daniel from the task of locating Bree.
*Sarah loves Daniel. (proven)

===Bree's Mom===
*[[Bree's parents|Bree's mom]] is working against Bree's best interests.
*She is, or is working for, [[OpAphid]].
*Bree's mother married Drew Avery as a command from [[The Order]].
*Bree's mother is part of [[The Resistance]].

===Drew Avery===
*He was never part of the Order.
*He was really working for [[the Resistance]].
*He is still alive.
*He died because he tried to make Bree trait negative (as did [[Isaac Gilman]]). (proven)

===Alex===
*She is torn between her loyalty to her religion and her loyalty to her [[Jonas|nephew]].
*Alex has done the Ceremony. (disproven)
*She is still with the Order and gave Daniel a fake blood sample.
*After helping the BDJ obtain the blood sample,she was imprisoned or executed for betraying the Order.
*She is Deep Throat/the one who put the messages in Bree's videos. (proven)

===Jonas's Parents===
*[[Jonas's parents|They]] are in hiding.
*They are being brainwashed by the Order. (proven)
*They will be found by Alex and help the Resistance.
*They are Bree's real parents. (That would be pretty disgusting given the circumstances)
*They are dead. (disproven)
*They are the couple that appear in [[Remember Them?]] (proven)
*Jonas' mom is the nurse that helped perform Bree's ceremony.
*The family Jonas visited in [[A Family Affair]] are not his real parents.

===Julia===
*[[Jules]] is not the [[New Girl|new girl]]. (proven)
*Jules was a plant by the Order to get Bree.
*Jules is putting the messages in Bree's blogs. (disproven)
*While Jonas is with Taylor, Julia will come and help them contact Spencer Gilman. (disproven)
*Jules is dead.

===Gemma===
*[[Gemma]] was really not part of the Order. They found her and forced her to help them.
*She lied about living in London to protect herself from the Order.
*Everything she says in her blogs is true.
*Gemma is still alive.
*Gemma is Tachyon, and pretended to expose herself as part of the Order so that the Order would not suspect her.
*Gemma is broadcasting herself, post-OpAphid, through the YouTube account GemmaReturns.

===Lucy===
*Lucy is OpAphid or working for them.
*Lucy did the Ceremony. (Proven Incorrect)
*Lucy did not have knowledge of the Ceremony, and was therefore unable to answer Bree's questions about it.

===The Mistress===
*[[The Mistress]] is a member of the Resistance.
*The Mistress knows Bree.
*The Mistress is Bree's biological mother.
*The Mistress is in the Order and killed Isaac Gilman.
*[[Rebecca]] is the Mistress.
*The Mistress is Jonas's biological mother.(disproven)

===Rebecca===
*Rebecca is the girl in the photograph with Lucy seen in the video [[Uncle Dan]].
*Rebecca sings the [[Hymn of One]].
*Rebecca staged [[Uncle Dan|the party]] to get information on Bree for OpAphid.

===The Party Guests===
*The party guests from the videos [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] were there to get information about [[BDJ]].
*The "rock star" is the same musician [[Bad Decisions|Gemma dated]].
*Toby is a member of the [[Hymn of One]], just as [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]] are.
*Beth is the mole in [[Deep Throat]]
*The "rock star" was also a guest of Charlie's birthday party.

===Bree's Biological Parents===
*Bree's biological parents are Jonas's parents.
*They died and the Order took Bree.
*After Bree was taken from them, they began working for the Resistance.
*They are the couple that appear in [[Remember Them?]], this would also mean that Bree and Jonas are biological brother and sister.

===Isaac Gilman===
*Isaac Gilman was Bree's real father.
*He faked his [[The Mistress|death]] after hearing Bree's dad was [[Bree's Dad Is Dead|dead]].
*He is the specialist who faked his death in Kate Modern.

===Spencer Gilman===
*Spencer is Bree's brother.
*Spencer is a plant by the order.
*Spencer will finish the task that Bree left for Daniel and Jonas: save the other ceremony girls.
*Spencer will see KateModern and attempt to break back into the Wyman Foundation and steal Kate's blood sample and save her from the ceremony.
*Spencer will no longer appear.
*Spencer's role will become more significant in the second season. Since he was able to make the serum, he will have to see Daniel and Jonas again so they can make the Ceremony girls trait negative.

===Nikki Bower===
*[[Nikki Bower|She]] will find where Bree is being kept and be brainwashed by the HoO. (disproven)
*Alternatively, OpAphid will kill her.
*She is [[LaRezisto]].

===The Watchers===
*The Watchers are protecting BDJ, not trying to kidnap them.

===Shadows===
*Shadows and Watchers are against each other within the HoO.

===LaRezisto===
*LaRezisto will contact Daniel and Jonas and together they will get over their feelings for Bree and save the other girls. (partially proven, he has contacted Jonas)
*LaRezisto is Sophie. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is actually the Order.
*LaRezisto is Scott.
*LaRezisto is Bree coming back from the dead.
*LaRezisto is Nikki B.
*LaRezisto is/are Jonas's parents trying to goad him into saving more girls. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is working against [[TAAG]].
*LaRezisto is the man in black outside of Daniels house. He was responsible for Deepthroat and for Alex's betrayal of the Order. When Bree returned to the Hymn Of One unbrainwashed, LaRezisto contacted her and together, they devised a plan to send the email with code that would notify LR when Daniel had opened the message, showing that he was ready to find the other girls.
*LaRezisto is Deep Throat/Alex.
*LaRezisto is Bree's adoptive father, and he didn't die from the gun shot.
*LaRezisto is Spencer.

===Scott===
*Scott will convince Sarah to rejoin TAAG to save Emma.

===Emma===
*Emma is trait positive. (proven)
*She is not Jonas' Parent's Biological daughter and therefore, not Jonas' biological sister.
*She is oblivious to her parent's Hymn of One activities.
*Jonas and Daniel will save her from doing the ceremony.
*She has an early bedtime because she has to build up strength for the ceremony.

===Mallory===
*The flickr account is Mallory's.
*Mallory will see the lg15 videos and help Daniel save the other girls.
*Mallory is a plant by the order.
*Mallory is trait positive.
*Mallory and Daniel will break up because of Daniel helping the other girls.

== KateModern ==

===Kate===
*Kate lied about her name to protect herself from someone, possibly the Order. The order is the connection to lg15.
*Kate was a Ceremony girl. (disproven)
*Kate is [[Cassie]].
*Kate is [[Tachyon]]. (disproven: the characters Tachyon/OpAphid/Brother cannot legally be used by The Creators)
*Kate is Trait Positive. (proven)
*Kate is the New Girl that [[Alex]] mentioned.
*Kate is Lucy. (disproven)
*Kate will join the HoO and Gavin, Tariq, and Charlie will try to save her.
*The same people that kidnapped Jonas, Daniel & Bree in Las Vegas and wiped their memories did the same to Kate
*Kate is a parallel character to Bree.
*Kate and Bree are twins. (Disproven: Kate is in her late twenties while at the time of Bree's death she was only 17)
*Kate may be [[Bree]]'s biological sister.
*Before becoming Kate, she stayed in a mental institution. (disproven though she stayed in a hospital for a month because of her dreams.)
*The people that wiped Jonas's parents' memories did the same to Kate.
*She is a compulsive/knowing liar and lied about making up the alias Kate.
*Kate is possibly suffering from DID resulting in her loss of memories

===Charlie===
*Charlie's parents are members of the Order.
*Charlie is Tariq's ex-girlfriend.
*Charlie is dating Gavin.(disproven, Gavin just has a crush on her)
*Charlie is Gemma's ex-flatmate
*Charlie is Gemma's sister
*Charlie was once pregnant and lost the baby through miscarriage, abortion, or adoption.
*Charlie is a parallel character to Daniel and Taylor.
*Charlie's sister and niece are dead (possibly killed by the Order) and that's why she misses them so much.

===Gavin===
*Gavin and Tariq are good friends, but he barely knows Kate.(disproven)
*Gavin will see the lg15 videos and ask Jonas for a loan. (disproven)
*Gavin is a member of the HofO or the Order.
*Gavin is a member of the Resistance.
*Gavin is a parallel character to Jonas, which could mean that Jonas also has connections to the Order.
*Gavin kidnapped Kate.

===Tariq===
*Tariq has watched [[lonelygirl15]], and has heard of [[the Order]]. He will be the connection between [[Kate]], [[Charlie]], [[Gavin]], himself, and [[Daniel]], [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], [[Jonas]], and [[Spencer]] (and possibly [[Bree]]). (disproven: he watched the videos, but only after finding the HoO pamphlet.)
*The Order will kidnap Tariq because he researched the Hymn of One after finding the pamphlet.
* Tariq is a parallel character to Daniel.

===Steve===
*Steve is a member of the Order
**He's a Watcher.
*He is Carl (disproven).

===Aunt Joan===
*Aunt Joan is related to Jonas.
*Aunt Joan is the girl from the [[1943 abduction]].

===Sophie===
*[[Sophie]] is working with Nikki Bower.

== See Also ==
[[Unanswered Questions]]
[[Category:Theories and speculation]]

How My Parents Met

2006-11-01T06:21:53Z

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So my mom used to take the train down to London on the long weekends because she was doing her dissertation on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Weyer Johann Weyer]. She would study at the British Museum and sometimes go and see plays. One day she went to see [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]], which is about two small characters in Hamlet, but in this play they’re the main characters. I know this is complicated but bear with me, it’s pretty much the coolest story ever.

So when the intermission came my mom went out to the lobby, and she overheard these two boys arguing. They were arguing about Free Will vs. Determinism which is apparently the theme of the play. They were just trying to sound smart.

One of the boys was saying that because the two characters die in the end of Hamlet that nothing they do matters. That was my dad. My mom listened for a few minutes and decided that pretty much everything my dad was saying was wrong. So she thought it was time to open up a good-ol’ fashioned can of whoop—

So she tapped him on the shoulder and she said that the message of the play was that these sad little characters had spent their lives arguing about the inevitability of their fate instead of actually doing something about. And she said that if these boys didn’t watch out, they would be just like them.

My dad was smitten… like a kitten. So when the play ended he was waiting for her by the exit. Sparks flew… doves cried… the sun set… the wind blew… oh my gosh.

They spent the rest of the day together and later my dad walked her to her train. They couldn’t see each other very often because my mom was in Edinburgh. So they started writing letters. And that’s about it. I have a really big day, so I should probably go get ready. I hope you enjoyed the story…

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So my mom used to take the train down to London on the long weekends because she was doing her dissertation on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Weyer Johann Weyer]. She would study at the British Museum and sometimes go and see plays. One day she went to see [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]], which is about two small characters in Hamlet, but in this play they’re the main characters. I know this is complicated but bear with me, it’s pretty much the coolest story ever.

So when the intermission came my mom went out to the lobby, and she overheard these two boys arguing. They were arguing about Free Will vs. Determinism which is apparently the theme of the play. They were just trying to sound smart.

One of the boys was saying that because the two characters die in the end of Hamlet that nothing they do matters. That was my dad. My mom listened for a few minutes and decided that pretty much everything my dad was saying was wrong. So she thought it was time to open up a good-ol’ fashioned can of whoop—

So she tapped him on the shoulder and she said that the message of the play was that these sad little characters had spent their lives arguing about the inevitability of their fate instead of actually doing something about. And she said that if these boys didn’t watch out, they would be just like them.

My dad was smitten… like a kitten. So when the play ended he was waiting for her by the exit. Sparks flew… doves cried… the sun set… the wind blew… oh my gosh.

They spent the rest of the day together and later my dad walked her to her train. They couldn’t see each other very often because my mom was in Edinburgh. So they started writing letters. And that’s about it. I have a really big day, so I should probably go get ready. I hope you enjoyed the story…

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'''Bree:''' I thought I’d tell you a story about my parents. When my dad was 23 he got a fellowship to study medicine at the University of Oxford. My mom who was two years younger, she would study at the British Museum and sometimes go and see plays. I know this is complicated but bear with me, it’s pretty much the coolest story ever. So she thought it was time to open up a good-ol’ fashioned can of whoop—

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