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Unanswered Questions

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Since the suspense of Lonelygirl15 is built around a mystery, it is only natural there are many unanswered questions in the plot. This page tries to keep track of them and offers possible answers.

==Bree==
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[[image:Breescar.jpg|thumb|right|Bree's Scar]]
'''Question:''' What is the significance of the scar on [[Bree]]'s back, that was purposely shown in the [[Swimming!]] video? Is that the "mark" that the [[Hymn of One]] refers to?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, the "mark" that the Hymn of One refers to was created by a fan on the [[MySpace]] page. [[The Creators]] have yet to confirm that they kept it on for a reason.

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'''Question:''' What happened to Bree while she was with the Hymn of One? What made her all "Hymn-of-One-ish?" Why is her memory mixed up so badly? What is up with Bree's behavior after she was taken back to [[the rented cabin]]? Why did she make the video [[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]]? If she was being all crazy and spazzed out, how did she edit the video together? Why did she go into a zombie-trance thing in [[Bedside Manner]]? Why did she start responding to [[Jonas]]? Did she have a plan for [[The Morning After|escape]] the whole time, or did it come to her later on?

'''Answer:''' Bree was planning to do the [[the Ceremony (ritual)|Ceremony]] all along. She was completely [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|aware]] that her behavior was that of a lunatic or someone in a trance.

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'''Question:''' Why did Bree escape? Did she really want to go back to the Hymn of One, or was she forced?

'''Answer:''' Refer to Answer to Question 2.

==Daniel==
[[Image:Daniel Cartoon.JPG|thumb|Right|Jonas was here!]]
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'''Question:''' What did Daniel talk about when Jonas hypnotized him? Did he really talk about Thursday night, or something else?

'''Answer:''' It is assumed that Jonas and Daniel were more so goofing off with that response, but it is possible that Jonas really does have hypnotic skills.

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'''Question:''' Is there any particular reason why Daniel doesn't like to go swimming?

'''Hole:''' While this was rumored, and discussed for a while, in [[Swimming!]] he did in fact go swimming. At one point in the video, you see Daniel soaking wet. To enforce the idea that Daniel swam, Bree can be heard saying "Daniel got in the water."
[[image:Wetdaniel.JPG|thumb|right|Daniel got into the water]]

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'''Question:''' In [[Confrontation]], [[Alex]] clearly didn't know how Daniel got in the house. How did he get in unnoticed, and what was he doing?

'''Answer:''' It has been known that Daniel has a skill for breaking and entering, as seen in [[Breaking And Entering]], [[Following The Helper]] and many more videos. He obviously broke into [[Alex's vacation house]], for the sole reason to confront Alex. However, did Bree know that this was the plan? We are unsure.
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==Cassie==
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'''Question:''' Who is [[Cassie]]?

'''Answer:''' Within the story, the answer was never really clear. We understood that she moved away, and Bree was not allowed to talk to her after some prank phone calls that they made. From [[the Creators]]'s end of things, we find out that Cassie was actually Bree's original name. In the original story that inspired the creation of Bree, [[Mesh Flinders]] created the central character with the name of Cassie, later on replacing her name for Bree for this series.

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'''Question:''' Why does Bree randomly remember her and bring her up?

'''Answer:''' With the way Bree talks about her, people have reasoned that Bree felt close to Cassie. She was able to relate to her. Bree also felt like Cassie was her connection to the outside world.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel not remember her?

'''Answer:''' A theory that is debated is that Daniel does remember her, but is not telling Bree, Jonas, [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], or [[Spencer]] just to keep himself safe from [[the Order]], as Cassie was either a hostage of the Order or a member. Another story is that Daniel was involved in a fight against the Order with Cassie, the Order kidnapped him, and he was brainwashed to never remember Cassie again.

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'''Question:''' Why was everyone so mean to her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. Perhaps she was just a lonely goth. Maybe she was a bookworm like Bree, and only had friends such as Daniel. Or maybe she was just known to the entire student body as "that freaky cult girl." She was most probably viewed as the outcast.

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'''Question:''' What freaked her out about Bree's religion (since up until recently Bree didn't talk about it much, which we know because Daniel didn't really know anything about it)?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. It is a debated theory that Cassie was on the run from [[the Order]] just like Bree and Daniel. But, because of the lack of information given about Cassie, we can not know.

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'''Question:''' Why does Daniel bring Cassie up in the video [[Miss Me?]]

'''Answer:''' Fans believe this was just a shout-out to the fan spin-off series [[Cassieiswatching]]. The video itself followed in Cassieiswatching's editing footpaths.

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'''Question:''' Is she actually connected to the Order, or has the Order just used her name because Bree talked about her?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This is actually one of the biggest Cassie mysteries ever. Some fans believe she was just a normal high school girl. Others believe that she too was on the run from the Order. It is unknown if she even has anything to do with the Order. It is still to this day one of the more debated subjects within the [[Lonelygirl15]] universe.
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==Gemma==
[[Image:Gemma.jpg|thumb|left|Gemma, an Order ploy?]]
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'''Question:''' What was Gemma's real objective?

'''Answer:''' This was never fully answered in the videos, however the [[OpAphid]] game answered it, to a degree. Gemma's original mission was to dispose of "[[Brother]]," who was there infiltrating the Order in London through his relationship with Gemma. After that plan "supposedly" succeeded, Gemma was later on moved to California, to which guide Bree back into the hands of the Order. However, because of Gemma's previous experience with death, she felt the odd need to dispose of Bree.

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'''Question:''' Was she really working for the Order, or was it more complicated?

'''Answer:''' Many people feel it was more complicated due to conflicting statements within her videos. However the letters between Brother and Tachyon clearly indicate that Gemma was working within the ranks of the Order since the beginning.

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'''Question:''' Was she really shot by Brother, or was it a ruse?

'''Answer:''' Sources have been mixed on this one. While OpAphid and Brother seem confident that Gemma is now in fact dead, Gemma has been mysteriously logging into [[YouTube]] and [[MySpace]].

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[[image:PartyGuestsFinn.jpg|thumb|left|Finn the musician.]]
'''Question:''' Is [[the party guests#Finn|Finn]], the musician at the party, the same musician that Gemma went on a few dates with?

'''Answer:''' This all seemed to be one big rumor or speculation floating around, so let's just leave it at that.
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==Jonas==

[[Image:Jonas crazy.JPG|thumb|right|Jonas in his father's study.]]

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'''Question:''' Was it just a coincidence that Jonas contacted Bree and offered to help her in her flight form the Order, and then later his parents turned out to be agents of [[the Resistance]]? Did Jonas know more than he revealed about his parents' activities?

'''Answer:''' Due to present circumstances (as of July 12th, 2007) the Jury seems to vote that this is all purely coincidence. Throughout the series we have learned that the Order has many branches that stem in every direction. So this is very possible.

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'''Question:''' Was there any significance to what Jonas was mumbling in his sleep when they were chasing down Alex in [[Missing Days]]? Could his parents have given him information that he didn't realize was information at the time?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However most feel that there is little significance. In case it is, Jonas said : "''Hm... Buy it! No, I don't try to--''" and "''Umm... you... it's hot, so turn it off.''"

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'''Question:''' When searching for Bree, why did Jonas have a mental break down at a lake?

'''Answer:''' The given situation calls for some emotional build up. A break down is bound to happen once in a while.

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'''Question:''' What is up with [[Like A Virgin|Jonas's email]] to [[Taylor]]? Why is it so out of character, and why are there so many mistakes?

'''Answer:''' While people argue that it is out of character, we have learned throughout the series that Jonas is a very self conscious and defensive man. So when faced with an attack, he attacks right back. In the email situation, Jonas indeed felt that he was being attacked by [[Sarah]], leading to a emotionally driven attack right back.

==Lucy==
[[Image:Lucy The Human Ransom.JPG|thumb|right|Lucy is camera-shy.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the significance of the map locations on Lucy's computer? Are they locations of eligible Ceremony girls, or of places the Ceremony will be held, or what?

'''Answer:''' While this is still out for the Jury, there are many reason debated for these maps. There were five locations mapped, found on Lucy's computer:

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Zavalla+texas&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=31.158318,-94.426117&spn=0.017664,0.054245&t=h&om=1&iwloc=A Zavalla, Texas] 
31° 9'30.00?N 
94°25'34.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=La+Crete&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=13&ll=58.193962,-116.419716&spn=0.043518,0.161018&t=h&om=1 La Crete, Alberta, Canada] 
58°12'9.10?N 
116°25'5.50?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Wickenburg&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=66.844558,164.882812&ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=33.967851,-112.747192&spn=0.136957,0.322037&t=h&om=1 Wickenburg, Arizona] 
33°58'7.00?N 
112°43'44.00?W

[http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=N+topanga+blvd&ie=UTF8&sll=35.099818,-80.851139&sspn=118.810383,329.765625&z=14&ll=34.088422,-118.586168&spn=0.034191,0.080509&t=h&om=1 North Topanga Canyon Blvd., Topanga, CA] 
34° 5'37.00?N 
118°36'2.00?W

[http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=adak+island+alaska&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&z=13&ll=51.825275,-176.653805&spn=0.048168,0.106258 Adak Island, Alaska]. 
51°47'46.58?N 
176°41'55.98?W

North Topanga Canyon Blvd, Topanga, CA and Zavalla, Texas are both confirmed locations of events within the Breeniverse. North Topanga Canyon Blvd is the location of the Dead Horse Trail, in which the Ceremony was said to take place (both fake and real), and Zavalla, Texas is where they found Jules. It is probable that these are location of candidates for Ceremony girls, as the evidence with [[Jules]] shows. However, as Jules was bait to lure Bree into the hands of Hymn of One, it may be just a falsified reason given by the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why does Lucy seem to show up all of the time, even in Mexico?

'''Answer:''' While this one seems to be the magic mystery, we know that Lucy is Bree's "Helper." We know that "Helpers" are also like protectors almost. Making sure that Bree does the right thing. Concerning the Hymn of One, the Ceremony is the right thing. If Lucy did not follow Bree, Lucy would not be following her job description as a Helper.

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'''Question:''' Is there more to her than we know?

'''Answer:''' Well, this is a smart ass remark, but we know nothing about her really. So, probably yes.

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'''Question:''' Why hasn't she been seen since she showed up in Zavalla? Where is she now?

'''Answer:''' Obviously this is an old question, because Lucy shows up sporadically in several episodes after. The last occurence was [[Looking for Gina|driving an SUV]] with a shadow in the passenger side, heading for Bree's old house, while TAAG is exiting the area with Gina in tow.

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'''Question:''' Why is her computer gone from her apartment? Why did she leave behind a map? Wouldn't she have taken it with when she was traveling?

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out on this one (as of July 12th, 2007), however, the general feeling is that the computer and information is gone because she, and the Order, know that Daniel and [[Nikki Bower]] have been breaking and entering into her apartment. While the smart thing to do would be to up security, we know that Lucy likes to play mind games with the group. So leaving clues for them wherever she goes is a great way to lead the mice into her trap.
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==Watchers ==
[[Image:Watcher symbol.JPG|thumb|right|The Watcher symbol.]]
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'''Question:''' What are Watchers, and what side are they on? What is their goal/purpose?

'''Answer:''' From what we have so far been told, the Watchers are there to watch and protect Bree. They will not harm her, or touch her, but watch her location and hold down the fort (if you will) until back up arrives.

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[[Image:Ftw motel window.jpg|thumb|left|The Watcher uniform]]
'''Question:''' Why do Watchers (and apparently most Order members) dress the same? Wouldn't their jobs be easier if they weren't as easily recognizable?

'''Answer:''' It is a well known fact that Cults use a specified uniform to make everyone feel equal and unified.{{clr}}

==Deacons and Elders==
[[Image:0069-Deacon.jpg|thumb|right|A Deacon in front of Bree's house.]]

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'''Question:''' Who are the Deacons? Do they think they are really a part of a religion, or do they know that Hymn of One is just a front for the Order?

'''Answer:''' Since we know absolutely nothing about them and we haven't been told anything about them really, we can't really say.

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'''Question:''' What is the relationship between Deacons and Elders?

'''Answer:''' There are several people that think that Elders and Deacons are the same thing. But according to Bree, Elders are higher up than the Deacons, who are community-level. Apparently in the Hymn of One, it is an honor just to be in the presence of the Elders.
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==Alex==
[[Image:Alex confrontation.JPG|thumb|left|Alex's confrontation.]]

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'''Question:''' Which side is she on -- does she really think she's helping [[the Resistance]], or is she against them?

'''Answer:''' While the Jury is still out on this, because of the phone call that Daniel overheard, the feeling is that because she did not know she was being filmed, she is conflicted. This is when people noted that there were great divisions amongst the Order's ranks on [[free will]].

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'''Question:''' Who was her husband? Why did they divorce?

'''Answer:''' With no explanation to the divorce, it has been speculated that Alex's ex-husband is [[The party guests#David|David]].

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'''Question:''' What happened on her 26th birthday that made her give up photography?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet

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'''Question:''' Why did [[Lucy]] pick Alex up at the beach in [[Mexico]]? Where is she now and what is she doing?

'''Answer:''' Once again, no real answer. However, because of a similar circumstance with [[Bree]]'s [[Drew Avery|father]], Drew Avery, we feel that Alex was picked up for betraying the Order.

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'''Question:''' Why did she up and move? Where did all her stuff go? How come nobody has seen her? Why does the moving sign outside of her house say "JUST KNOCK!"? Why did she disappear at the same time as Lucy?
[[image:Justknock.JPG|thumb|right|Just Knock !?!]]

'''Answer:''' The Jury is still out of this one. However, with the threatening aura surrounding Lucy's crew in the Order, the belief is that Lucy has packed up Alex's stuff and disposed of it. Why? Well, people feel that because Alex betrayed the Order, like Drew Avery and [[Tachyon]]'s family, she met the same fate, thus, leaving her stuff open for the taking. Unlike Tachyon's family, Alex's stuff was not left behind. Maybe the Order learned their lesson with Tachyon's family, noting that people notice when people disappear and leave their stuff behind.

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'''Question:''' What are the principles that Alex offers to recite on the phone in [[Lying Bastards]]? Who was she talking to?

'''Answer:''' The feeling is that she was talking to Lucy, as they are so close. However, there is no real way to confirm that (as we could not hear the other end of the call). However, people feel that she was speaking of the general principle of [[free will]] that the Order seems to recognize during the Ceremony. Every girl who performs the Ceremony must do so under her own free will. However, in Bree's case, the Order is manipulating her judgment, to make her free will work for their own profit, therefore eliminating the principle behind free will.

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'''Question:''' When Alex told Bree, "They have another girl," did she mean Jules, herself, or someone else?

'''Answer:''' After the emerging of Jules, this caused for a lot of confusion. While all the evidence seemingly pointed to Alex's change of heart, leading the crew to Jules almost seemed like she was in on the whole plan. Some people believe that she may have said that, as that was the original plan to lure Bree into the trap, but she refused to do so. By saying it, she may have believed it would have saved her from the same fate as Bree's father.

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'''Question:''' Why did Alex go back to the Order and what was the "one step" she had remaining?

'''Answer:''' While this is not known, the feeling is that she was forced to go back to the Order.

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'''Question:''' Who was Alex talking about that she had visited [[The Perfect Beach]] with?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, there is speculation it could have been a boyfriend or her former husband.

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'''Question:''' Is she really in the fashion business, or does she travel around doing work for the Order with that as a cover?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet.
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==Nikki Bower==
[[Image:NBR3 Nikki Bed.jpg|thumb|right|Nikki Bower investigates!]]

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'''Question:''' What about Nikki B.? Is she canon now, or was that a one-time-deal?

'''Answer:''' While [[the Creators]] insist that Nikki B. is not [[canon]], she seems to be the fan's liaison between the real world and the [[Breeniverse]].

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'''Question:''' What was Nikki B. doing undercover with the [[Hymn of One]]?

'''Answer:''' While this came as a complete shock to everyone, she seemed to be doing what all good investigative reporters do: investigate.

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'''Question:''' Since Nikki B. was the one that told [[TAAG|BDJ]] that Jules was the new girl, and Jules just seemed to be a trap, is Nikki B. really a member of the Order?

'''Answer:''' Because of her most recent video, we know now that she is not a member of the Hymn of One, but she was kicked out as chocolate is not allowed. We also learned that she was just undercover.
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==Jules==
[[Image:Jules Kidnapping Restraints.jpg|thumb|left|Jules - the "new girl"?]]
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'''Question:''' What about Jules? Was she a distraction, bait, or was she really a new Ceremony girl?

'''Answer:''' Because Jules really did not seem to know anything about the Ceremony, and because she seemed drone-like when Lucy came, the feeling is that she was just bait to lure Bree in. After Bree was lured in, we also learned that Jules was trait negative. For some reason we just assumed that Bree was trait positive, and onward we went on a [[Isaac Gilman|mad scientist]] hunt.

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'''Question:''' Why does her birth certificate say that she is not adopted? Are her parents actually her biological parents, or is it a cover from the Order so that no one knows she is adopted?

'''Answer:''' Because we now know that she is not a candidate for the Ceremony, we can say that she would not have been adopted, definitely. When we discovered that girls were adopted, one crucial statement was misinterpreted by some to say that most girls are adopted, then they select possible candidates. However, this is not the case. The girls that are taken from their birth parents are in fact candidates from the beginning. However, as time progresses, certain females seem more suitable for the Ceremony.

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[[image:194-Epogen Symbol.jpg|thumb|right|Isn't that the symbol from the Epogen box?]]
'''Question:''' Why did she have the symbol for [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] in her file, and what is "trait negative"? Is she missing one of the traits that Bree mentioned?

'''Answer:''' Unfortunately for us, this is not the symbol for EPOGEN. The symbol that was on her file, was the symbol for the company that distributes EPOGEN, which presumably is the Order. Currently (as of July, 12 2007) we are learning more about what these traits really mean. For more information, stay tuned and check out [[The Bree Solution]].
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==Sarah==
[[Image:Sarah Myspace Pic.jpg|thumb|left|Sarah enjoys a good time!]]
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'''Question:''' Why did Sarah leave home and join the boys?

'''Answer:''' The general feeling for this situation is that Sarah simply disliked her home situation. And because she had graduated, she felt that the time was right to leave home.

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'''Question:''' Why has Sarah fallen for Daniel so quickly? Does she really like him, or is she using him for something?

'''Answer:''' From her actions and words in '12 in 12' it would seem Sarah really did like Daniel, but it may still be a rouse for the Order.

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'''Question:''' Is Sarah really as promiscuous as she claims?

'''Answer:''' While this hasn't be discussed, as Taylor has claimed before her sister has that Sarah is "a slut," then it may be safe to assume that she is in fact very promiscuous. However, there is no way to determine whether this is really a cry for attention or an act of the truth.

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'''Question:''' Why does she make such a huge deal about "fun" in "[[Everybody Does It ;)]]?"

'''Answer:''' This seemed to be the "Sarah Way" of helping Jonas. In the end, it was actually very mean of her to do.
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==Isaac and Spencer Gilman==
[[Image:Spencer2.jpg|thumb|right|The Corporate Spencer.]]
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'''Question:''' What is the [[Wyman Foundation]]?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know much, we do know that Isaac Gilman worked for them, and that they seem to be the foundation of the Resistance or a cover for the Resistance, like the Hymn of One is to the Order. However, none of that has been confirmed.
[[image:WFound.JPG|thumb|left|The Wyman Foundation]]

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'''Question:''' Who is Isaac Gilman? What kind of work did he do with genetics?

'''Answer:''' What we do know is Isaac Gilman was a friend of Bree's father. He was trying to come up with a serum to make Bree go from trait positive to negative, so Bree would be protected from doing the Ceremony. And there is a belief that his initials appear on the documents found in [[Jonas's cabin]].

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'''Question:''' Who is "the Mistress?"
[[image:0218-TheMistress.jpg|thumb|right|Who was she?]]
'''Answer:''' She seemed to be a lover of Isaac. The idea that people have gotten, is that because she was seen in [[Uncle Dan|the party video]] (thanks to the power of photoshop we have determined that), we feel that she may work with the Order as well, and could have possibly been in a similar situation as Bree's Father (working against the Order from within). This could have been the reason behind hiding her face.

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'''Question:''' Who is Ted Fuller?

'''Answer:''' As described in the blog, Ted Fuller was friends and Sunday Tennis partners with Isaac.

"(Christmas came early in Bev Hills)
As many of you know, my Sunday morning doubles partner, Isaac Gilman, was recently honored by the board of the Wyman Foundation for his advances in genetic something-something. BIG WINK! I know Isaac is a brilliant scientist but, to be honest, his achievements at the net are the key to him being at the top of my buddy list! Last Saturday morning, Isaac and I took on Bev Hills' terrible twosome - Jim Goody & Peter Flood. To say that we won would not and could not embrace the defeat 'that we delivered. Best of three sets? 6-2 6-1 (third set just not needed) Nuf said. I toast to you, Isaac! You are a good man and, more importantly, a great tennis partner."

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'''Question:''' What were the injections Isaac Gilman was giving Bree? Were they to make her 'trait-negative'?

'''Answer:''' While we do not know what they were, from the information that we have been given, it appears that they were to make her trait negative.

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'''Question:''' What caused Isaac Gilman's car to crash? Was he killed by the same people who killed Bree's dad? Is there a connection between the deaths of Bree's dad, Gilman and Gemma (who were all killed the same day)?

'''Answer:''' While this is unknown, it has become growingly suspicious as time wears on. The growing theory is that the Order in fact killed Isaac Gilman, to prevent him from getting in their way.
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==Bree's Parents: Drew and Elizabeth Avery==
[[Image:0069-BreesParents.jpg|thumb|left|Bree's mom and dad.]]

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'''Question:''' What did Bree's dad say that made Bree not want to contact her mother? Is there anything that Bree and her father discussed (other than the obvious information about Bree's mom) that we don't know yet?

'''Answer:''' While we may never know this, there is a lot of speculation out there. Some think that Bree's mother may be [[OpAphid]], or on the same level as OpAphid.

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'''Question:''' Why did she get upset that Bree "projected weakness" by crying?

'''Answer:''' While, this is completely unknown, and we may never know, the feeling is that the Order is full of very strong women. It is possible that Bree's mother was hoping that Bree could have some day worked with her, or even taken over her spot one day.

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'''Question:''' Do we really know that Bree's dad is dead?

'''Answer:''' While we have never been given straight forward confirmation on this, the feeling is that he is dead.

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'''Question:''' If he knew the Ceremony was bad and that she shouldn't be doing it, why did he let her prepare for it? Why didn't he put a stop to it all sooner? Why did he keep giving her [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]]? Why didn't he tell Bree about his concerns either before things got out of control, or the day he was shot? Why didn't he tell her how to lower her ribozyme levels without his help?

'''Answer:''' These questions have never been discussed within the show, however there has been debate between fans on this part of the story. Because of the environment that Bree's father was in, he would not inform Bree in case of ruining his cover. Bree was raised in a very loyal Hymn of One home. The possibility for Bree's father's cover to been blown away was very real with his wife being a leading member of the society. If Bree's father attempted any type of blocking [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]], the [[Hymn of One]] could potentially become suspicious. Also, it has become very apparent since [[The Unthinkable Happened]] video, that her father didn't feel that she was emotionally capable of handling the information he knew about the Order. As time progressed however, it became more and more crucial that she know so she could expose it to the world. As for the EPOGEN, the general belief was that her father was no giving Bree EPOGEN at all, but giving her the serum that Dr. Isaac Gilman created for her to make her trait negative. Or possibly, tested different forms of serums. Is it possible that the EPOGEN, was supposed to enhance the trait positive? Remember though, none of this information has in fact been fully confirmed. So it is still very much debatable.

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'''Question:''' What about the fact that they were not her biological parents? Where are her biological parents? Did they give her up willingly, or was she taken? Are her biological parents in Hymn of One? What about her adoptive parents qualified them to raise Bree, and what did her biological parents lack that disqualified them?

'''Answer:''' The evidence within early videos have shown us that Bree's biological parents were not in the Hymn of One and that Bree was taken unwillingly. While quotes stated by Bree do elude to this, it is now known that Bree was bought from her biological mother as an infant in Russia. We do know that the home is a "controlled" environment to better the girls chances for the Ceremony. How these "controls" effect the outcome of the girls, we do not know yet.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' Why is Bree suddenly happy with her mother again?

'''Answer:''' We now know that Bree's final weeks were a ruse by her to trick everyone. She probably pretended to be happy with her mother.
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==Jonas's Parents==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What's going on with the whole plot involving Jonas's parents? Are they really still alive? Where are they, and why have they been gone so long?

'''Answer:''' Thanks to LaRezisto, we now know that Jonas's parents are alive and in the Hymn of One, do not remember Jonas, and have a young teen or preteen daughter [[Emma]]. See [[A Family Affair]].

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What is the "whacked-out, crazy stuff" that Alex's mom accused Jonas's dad of?

'''Answer:''' If you looked back on the Bree videos, you will notice that Bree often found that the activities that Daniel were involved in were "weird." Is it possible that the every day activities of outsiders of the Hymn of One were viewed as "whacked-out, crazy stuff?" You decide.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Was there more to Alex's mom's death than just an accident? What are these pictures that the Order had, proving that Jonas's dad was involved with her death?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. However, because of the nature of the situation between Jonas's father and her, and the situation that seemed to surround the trio, growing suspicions say that the Order may have done away with her. If this is in fact the case, is it possible that Alex knows this, or is the Order leading her on as well?
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==Other Parents==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why was Alex's mom afraid of planes (in "[[Apology Accepted?]]" we find out she said that "planes don't fly, they crash.")?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet. This may just be a personality trait to make her seem more human to the fans.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What's wrong between Taylor and Sarah's parents? What was in the message that their dad left that made their mom so sad?

'''Answer:''' Taylors mom and dad seemingly are in a midlife crisis divorce. Meaning one parent leaves for a much younger and gravity praising partner, while the other one is left in the dust. As time progresses, the one left standing in the dust, become to follow the same pursuit, as a form of revenge, and in turn finds a more attractive younger suitor. When there are children involved, this usually ends up hurting the children, usually leaving them enraged and vengeful.
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==Order/Hymn of One==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What is the difference (if any) between the Order and the Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' While there doesn't seem to be a clear distinction between the two, what we have been told is that the Hymn of One is in fact a cover up for the Order, allowing them to do what they feel they need to do.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What is the connection between the Order and [[Possible influences of Bree's religion|ancient Egypt]]? Is there any reason beyond some way to lend credibility to Hymn of One?

'''Answer:''' The Egyptian mysticism seems to be just one of the seemingly thousands of religions that the Hymn of One has pulled influences from.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Why are there conflicting ideas about capturing Bree within the Order?

'''Answer:''' While this is being debated still to this day, the general feeling is that there seems to be much division within the Order and The Hymn of One with Bree. While some see it as it must be done completely under her own [[free will]], others feel they can manipulate her free will for their own profit and others feel that they can simply force her to do the Ceremony. This feeling came about during the [[Alex]] days. We really began to notice that, even within the Order, people were choosing sides.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What is the significance of all of the "free will" talk in the Order? Is it just something that the Hymn of One uses to get people in, or is it really part of the Order's objectives, or what?

'''Answer:''' While we are not sure, it is known that many religions focus a lot on free will. We also know that many cults use free will, and manipulation of free will to obtain and comfort their members.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' What is the "eternal song"? Is it literally a song, or just a metaphor of some kind?

'''Answer:''' Due to the information provided at [[It's A Cult|the seminar]] and through the videos, the feeling that we have been giving is that it is more of a metaphor, but can be taken on a literal sense as well. The feeling that we have been given is that for every person, there seems to be a different eternal song. However, this has not been fully confirmed.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' Why did the Hymn of One ask what it did on the "audition" survey? What were the significances of the various answers?

'''Answer:''' While there is no definite answer on this, this seemed to be to determine the personality qualities and how they would fit into their belief system, or how they could help you become more like them.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 7}}
'''Question:''' What is with the mantra "The Hymn of One is fun?"

'''Answer:''' This seems to be just a mantra to lure followers into the Cult. Many Cults use these type of mantra's to lure people under their own "free will," along with treats such as [[spin art]] and pizza.
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==The Resistance==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What is in "the Order of the Modern Empire" other than the Theta/Pi symbol and list of initials?

'''Answer:''' the Order of the Modern Empire is what seems to be a brief run down of the History of the Order, the Objectives, the Projects and important members and their history. While we haven't gotten a direct copy of what it is, Daniel and Jonas did let us know that is is a very well put together document outlining the Modern Day history. As for the OpAphid release of information, it has been suspected that there may be some crucial evidence on a certain page, as on the bottom of the OpAphid page, there was a page number. However, that has yet to be confirmed as well.
[[image:Semiotics.jpg|thumb|right|What we were given by Tachyon]]

{{fakeheader|3|Questions 2}}
'''Question:''' Is there still a resistance group alive (besides our trio, of course)?

'''Answer:''' While we are almost lead to believe that Isaac Gilman and Drew Avery were the last of the Resistance, because of the early Hymn of One videos and the messages contained in them, it may be safe to assume that there are in fact more members of the Resistance within the ranks of the Order.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Besides physical training, did Bree learn anything from [[Tachyon]] during her recent stay with her?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, it seemed that Bree may have learned a bit about maturity and how to handle herself in certain situations.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What does the stuff on the whiteboard in the bunker mean? What did they change it to say?

'''Answer:'''
Here is a photograph of the Whiteboard when we first saw it.

[[Image:0173-Whiteboard.jpg]]

What we have figured it to say is Under Elders (Denderah?):

*9? 12? 18?
*Deacon. Community leaders. Zealots. DO THEY KNOW???
*Helper. "Nursemaid"
*The Flock. Religion members. They don't know ANYTHING (then something I can't read)
*Watcher. Protector?
*"OTS" NOT Watchers. What are they?
*(Within the circle) Girl(s)? Blood, Something in it?
*Under the circle, the word Ceremony? appears, also surrounded by question marks

Here is the Recreation of the whiteboard:

[[Image:recreatewhiteboard.JPG]]

While in a video shortly after showed changes in the whiteboard, I have yet to find the pictures of the changes

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'''Question:''' What else did they find in the bunker? Was there anything to find?

'''Answer:''' It was discussed slightly that they had found the bare essentials for research and living in the bunker. However no information about documents or materials that could help the fight against the Order was discussed other then the white board.
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==The Ceremony==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' In "[[Order of Denderah]]", it is implied that the Ceremony takes place in mid-October- is this the only time it takes place?

'''Answer:''' [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|Bree's Ceremony]] took place on August 3rd.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What is the Ceremony, anyway? Why is it so important that it be done, especially since Hymn of One isn't even a real religion? Or is it a real religion that the Order takes advantage of?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't gotten a full explination of what the Ceremony is, we do have some interesting information to go on. So far we have learned that the Ceremony involves blood, and possibly a loss of a large amount of blood. The evidence that points to this are [[Bree's injections]] being [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]] and her diet containing lots of Iron filled foods such as red meats. We also know that the Ceremony must have more to do with Blood and possible regeneration due to the information given to us through the RNA clues and hints. The Ceremony kills the girl involved, presumably through blood loss. [[Steve]] of the KateModern series [[Free Will (video)|suggested]] that the [[Elders]] use the Ceremony girls' blood for eternal life.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What were the exercises that Bree and Jules talked about? What is the selection process for girls to be chosen for the Ceremony? Why Bree and Jules (if, of course, Jules was actually a Ceremony girl)?

'''Solutions''' While Bree still hasn't told us what these exercises were, due to recent events, we may be able to assume that these exercises are to help induce better circulation.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What is different about them than the other girls placed in "controlled environments?"

'''Answer:''' We are still figuring this one out! Stay Tuned! (July 12, 2007)

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' What specific aspect of the Ceremony requires use of EPOGEN?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't 100% sure, and nothing has been confirmed, this may be a method used by the Order to enhance her trait, or enforce her trait.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' What [[Bree's diet|special diet]] was Bree on, and why (we know she said it involves a lot of red meat and avoiding sugar, but what else does it entail, and why)? If Jules isn't a Ceremony girl, why was she doing exercises and on a special diet?

'''Answer:''' Well, for one thing, if Jules wasn't a Ceremony girl, and was just bait, everything she said may not be that creditable. So she may have no been doing exercises and she may not have been on a diet, but just told us that to bait Bree in. As for the information Bree gave us, it would appear that at least one aspect of her diet was that it was high in iron (she was also put on iron supplement pills). {{wikipedia|Human_iron_metabolism|Iron}} is essential to red blood cells. However, very high levels of iron intake can be toxic.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 7}}
'''Question:''' What exactly is the "[[purity bond]]" and why is it crucial?

'''Answer:''' While this is still under much debate, people wonder if the purity bond was ever really that crucial. People are now wondering if it was actually more of a cover and a ploy to make it seem more creditable as an actual religious Ceremony other then something else. The bond seemed to govern Bree's interactions with the opposite sex, and was thus speculated to be something along the lines of an abstinence pledge. This may be required of ceremony girls to ensure that they do not contract sexually transmitted diseases that could be transmitted to the Elders who receive their blood.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 8}}
'''Question:''' What was Bree's dad giving her that could lower her ribozyme levels?

'''Answer:''' As we are still learning about the serum, we do not really know yet. So stay tuned!

{{fakeheader|3|Question 9}}
'''Question:''' If women are so important to the Order, couldn't they just use trait positive boys for the ceremony?

'''Answer:''' None as of yet, but perhaps males cannot be 'trait positive'.
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==The Party==
[[Image:0154Toby3.jpg|thumb|right|Toby at the party.]]
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' At the party in the "[[Uncle Dan]]" videos, why do they very obviously point out the musician guy?

'''Answer:''' The musician guy seemed to be the rudest one at the party, so that could have simply been the answer to this question. However some people speculate that this is the musician that [[Gemma]] dated. Or it could just simply be a more obvious way to enforce to us fans that Daniel is a geek.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Who was the guy arguing with Alex, and why were they arguing?

'''Answer:''' While the answer to who he was, was never clearly given, they answer to why they were arguing was clearly given within that video. The guy obviously felt completely uncomfortable by Daniel and Jonas being there. While the majority of the persons at the party seemed to be with the Order, we have assumed that because this was a party concerning Order relations, this may be someone who in fact knows exactly who they are, and what threat they pose to the safety and secrecy of the Order. This could be why he was not comfortable with Jonas and Daniel being there, and he may have even been the informant to Lucy that Alex was in fact feeling for their situation.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Why does Toby struggle to say Beth is a reporter and then Beth cuts him off?

'''Answer:''' Some people have questioned this, and have concluded that some of these "back stories" that people have given may have been a cover up. Once Daniel and Jonas walked into the room, they knew they were dealing with outsiders, so they felt the need to be secretive about their purposes there. Some people also believe that this may have been a trap to lure Daniel into speaking about Bree and their situation as to the interesting reaction people gave to Jonas when he began to mention why he was visiting his Aunt. So some people believe that these may have been made up stories to help enhance the trusting mood within the party.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' What about the comment about Jonas's "file"?

'''Answer:''' While we haven't been confirmed on this, there is speculation that this file that they spoke about what the file that they found at Alex house. Some people also believe that there is information that the Order has recently discovered that they may have missed in their clean up of Jonas's parents lives. Some people have also gone as far as speculating that the Order in fact wants Jonas's money, as they feel it rightfully belongs to them, as supposedly Jonas's parents are members of the Order now.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5, 6, and 7}}
[[Image:CarlaJonasFace.jpg|thumb|left|Jonas is embarrassed by Carla's advances.]]
'''Question:''' What did Alex tell [[Sonia]] about Jonas? Why would she talk about him if she hasn't seen him in about six years?

'''Question:''' Why does [[Carl]] flip out when Daniel tries to talk to Sonia and him?

'''Question:''' Why was there a picture of Lucy, and who is the other woman? Is the other woman [[Rebecca]]? Was she really lying about her connections to the Order and Hymn of One? Why did she invite Daniel in for tea?

}}Solution to The Party }}
The remainder of the questions seem to gear around one simplified answer. The party was a gathering of member of the Hymn of One. Either they were all completely taken aback to see two members of the internationally known Resistance at their party, or this was all stages to lure them into speaking about Bree and leading them to her. While the debate is still wavering along, the clear solution here is that the party was in fact a gather of the Order and the fact that Daniel and Jonas, two people who are publicly known as against the Order, made them completely uncomfortable. They probably thought that Jonas and Daniel knew what was going on, and possibly Alex was in on it. Remember though, none of this has really been confirmed. It's been hinted at, but not directly confirmed yet. While we can probably safely assume this with the appearance of attendees of the party within the Hymn of One videos, we can not 100% say for sure just yet.
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==Capture in Vegas==
[[Image:0162-DanielBeingTortured.jpg|thumb|right|[[Psychological Torture]].]]
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Who captured Bree, Daniel and Jonas?

'''Answer:''' Alex revealed that the person who captured them in Vegas was a 'Shadow'. The personal bodyguards of the elders.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Who was the interrogator?

'''Answer:''' This is assumed to be the same person who kidnapped them, as we were given information indicating that there was only one person involved.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' Where were they staying?

'''Answer:''' According to Nikki B's investigation, it seemed to be a off-highway motel. While this has not been 100% confirmed as of this date, most people assume this is where they were held captive.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' How did they escape?

'''Answer:''' Absolutely no information was given yet on how they escaped. What we do know is that all they remember is being captured, then running through the desert. They also remember the Watcher shooting the kidnapper.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' Why did a Watcher kill their captor and let them go?

'''Answer:''' While we have no confirmation on this, the general feeling is the Watchers are there to watch and protect. If they do this, then they probably call for back up to obtain Bree.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' How did they find Jonas's car again?

'''Answer:''' While this is unclear, and has not been confirmed, we have assumed that Jonas found his car in the desert after the kidnapper was shot. The motel was probably located close by to the location of shooting, leaving Bree, Daniel and Jonas to walk to their vehicle.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 7}}
'''Question:''' We know Bree was told to do the Ceremony, and Daniel was told to go home, but what exactly was Jonas asked about? When they asked about his parents' death, why did he say "I don't want to play anymore?" Why does the interrogator say "This is no game?" Does Jonas know more about his parents' death than he realizes (maybe it's in his subconscious somewhere)?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know, really at this point only time will tell.
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==The Box==
[[Image:0201-DanielOpeningABox.jpg|thumb|left|A mysterious box left by Drew Avery.]]
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why did Bree's dad leave a box under a stump?

'''Answer:''' It seems that Bree's father left the information under a stump because he wanted Bree to know what was going on exactly. While this hasn't been 100% confirmed, it seemed that Bree held onto the letter because she felt that she could figure it out herself. When she couldn't, obviously it lead to her capture and return to the Hymn of One. When Daniel and Jonas released the letter, it lead us to this stump. It contained information pertaining to Bree's condition and why she is trait Positive. While we have not been able to see 100% what the information is, it is obviously very important to Gilman's research.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What was in the rest of the letter from Bree's dad in the box?

'''Answer:''' So far what we do know is that is says the following:
"Dear Bree, I'm so happy that you were able to find this box. Right now, you're with Daniel. I'm not sure when I'll be able to see you again, but I want you to know that I have faith that you'll find your way. I've raised you to be the strong and independent person that you are. Follow your heart. Don't let others influence you with promises of inner peace and salvation. We both know that doesn't exist in the world of science. This box holds many more important secrets of the Hymn of One, you, and what lies ahead in your life."

What we don't know is what Daniel says he is not ready to read yet. Why? Well we don't really know. What could it be?

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What else was in the notebook with the ribozyme charts?

'''Answer:''' Only time will tell. How could we know, if Daniel and Jonas don't ever know?

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Was there anything else in the box?

'''Answer:''' What was in the box? We know that there was a letter, a notebook filled with information, graphs showing Bree's levels of ribzomes or her special ribzome and a collage that Bree made for her father.
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==Hymn of One Videos==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why does "Sing With Me" open with a large star in the middle of the screen followed by a smaller shooting star?

'''Answer:''' Well as this hasn't been confirmed, we can speculate that astronomy has a large part to do with the teachings of the Hymn of One. As we know, Bree is a big fan and extremely knowledgeable about astronomy. Otherwise, it could have just been a funky eye catching graphic.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Why are Sonia and Carl with Bree?

'''Answer:''' As we don't know for sure, we speculate that they are recruiters as they were at the seminar, and these are recruitment videos.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
[[Image:Breewithsonyacarl.JPG|thumb|right|Bree's bandage is visible through her blouse.]]
'''Question:''' Why is Bree wearing a bandage again? Is she taking EPOGEN again?

'''Answer:''' While it hasn't been confirmed, it is believed the Bree will go ahead with the Ceremony. Therefore, the rebuilding of her strength to be able to complete the Ceremony is crucial.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Why is everyone wearing white? Why is Bree wearing jeans, when the other two are wearing either khaki pants?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know for sure, what we do know is that within Cults, they often feel the need to strengthen bonds between their sisters and brothers by becoming unified in not only thought, but also appearance. An example of this is Heavens Gate.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' Why is there a shot of Boston at the end of each video?

'''Answer:''' While we are still debating this, this seems to be just a graphic used. However it may be a new location for the adventure to take place.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 6}}
'''Question:''' How are secret messages ending up in the Hymn of One videos? Who put them there, and why?

'''Answer:''' As we found out in Mission Possible Alex is TCC. We found out that Alex was in fact the mole, and who was the person who put the messages into the Hymn of One videos.

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==Back Story==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' What is the significance of the girl abducted in 1943 by Crowley (since we know it is an event that never actually happened)?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on what the significance really is, we do know it may be important. However, it may have been another oops on the creators researching part, as there are many fictional stories concerning Crowley. Hopefully it will be revealed in the future.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' Who is the family that Gemma says disappeared? If she really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, that family disappeared? What happened to them? Did they really exist, or did Gemma (or someone telling her what to say) invent them?

'''Answer:''' While we don't know the full story on this family, what we do know is that this is in fact Tachyon's family. We do know that something extreme happened to them, and we also know that Tachyon did not wish to speak of them too often as she did not look at them too fondly. However, once again, we do not know the full story, and may never know now.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What happened between Taylor's parents? Is it significant to the story, or is it just character background?

'''Answer:''' While some people feel that there is more to the story, we can only take it for what we have been told. What we have been told is that Taylor and Sarah's father left their mother for a younger woman. It seems to be just character background, but because this is the [[Breeniverse]] we can never be too sure.
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==Random==
{{fakeheader|3|Question 1}}
'''Question:''' Why is the tag "hamster" used in quite a few videos that have nothing to do with hamsters?

'''Answer:''' This is something we do know. Hamster was used in a tag in the videos as [[Mesh Flinders|Mesh's]] often used nickname on his films was Hamster.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 2}}
'''Question:''' What happened with "[[the Cowboy (character)|the Cowboy]]"? Wasn't he supposed to be central to the plot?

'''Answer:''' While this seems to be a writing mistake, people have wondered if this could have been the same kidnapper from [[Las Vegas]].

{{fakeheader|3|Question 3}}
'''Question:''' What is the significance of [[Longitude 140|longitude]] and meridians? Bree made a whole video about it (and the story she told was a myth, which she treated as fact, which seems to indicate it is an important topic), Jonas talks about his parents being lost at sea at a particular longitude, Jonas says that Alex's mom used to talk about them a lot, then - so what's the big deal? Are meridians referring to geography or Chinese medicine, or something else entirely?

'''Answer:''' While we still are out on this one, maps do have a significance to the story.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 4}}
'''Question:''' Does [[Poor Pluto|Pluto]] have any significance in the story, as it has now been mentioned three times in the series?

'''Answer:''' While we aren't sure on this one, Pluto seems to just symbolize outcasts. And as Bree often feels like an outcast, this could be her way of expressing that.

{{fakeheader|3|Question 5}}
'''Question:''' Did Bree and Jonas [[The Morning After|sleep together]], or did he just try to make it look that way?

'''Answer:''' Daniel confirmed they did during 12in12 by shouting "You slept with her!".

==See also==
*[[Plot holes]]
*[[Theories About Characters]]

[[Category:lonelygirl15 behind the scenes]]

In Loving Memory

2008-07-02T21:08:08Z

74.224.142.3:

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This page is '''In Loving Memory''' of those who have died sometime throughout the series. Whether they fought [[the Order]] or were part of it, they deserve to be remembered.

==Drew Avery==
[[Image:108-ParkingGarageDrew.JPG|thumb]]
[[Drew Avery]] — [[The Unthinkable Happened|{{date|20061231}}]] 
''In loving memory of Drew Avery... who risked his own life to get his daughter crucial information about the Order. RIP.''
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==Gemma==
[[Image:OP24-Gemma.JPG|thumb]]
[[Gemma]] — [[Gemma (Part V)|{{date|20061231}}]] 
''In loving memory of Gemma... who was a bad guy with a really funny accent. RIP''
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==Bree==
[[Image:0254-BreeLyingDownEyesClosed.jpg|thumb]]
[[Bree]] — [[lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|{{date|20070803}}]] 
''In loving memory of Bree Avery... who brought joy to our hearts and [[Proving Science Wrong (series)|proved science wrong]]. RIP''
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==Deacon==
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[[Deacon]] — [[They'll Do Anything|{{date|20071013}}]] 
''In loving memory of the Deacon... who almost had the honor of being killed by Jonas. RIP.''
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==Dudley==
[[Image:KM0094-DeadDudley.jpg|thumb]]
[[Dudley]] — [[Act Positive|{{date|20071025}}]] 
''In loving memory of Dudley Griffin... who truly wanted to Fight the Order. RIP.''
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==Rogue Elder==
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[[Rogue Elder]] — [[What Happened?|{{date|20071026}}]] 
''In loving memory of the Rogue Elder... who honestly, is better off dead than Emma. RIP.''
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==Claire==
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[[Claire]] — [[What Happened?|{{date|20071026}}]] 
''In loving memory of Claire... whose last minute's hesitance cost her her life. RIP.''
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==Dr. William Griffin==
[[Image:KM0133-DrGriffindead.jpg|thumb]]
[[Dr. William Griffin]] — [[Janet|{{date|20071207}}]] 
''In loving memory of Dr. William Griffin... who died before he could fix his mistakes. RIP.''
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==Kate==
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[[Kate]] — [[Back to Brick Lane|{{date|20080113}}]] 
''In loving memory of Genevieve "Kate" Strathcarron... who loved to create art. RIP.''
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==Virgil==
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[[Virgil]] — [[Bloodlines: Part 1|{{date|20080125}}]] 
''In loving memory of Virgil... who turned his back on the Order and got shot in it, to help the good guys. RIP.''
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==Dr. William Porter==
[[Image:Dr William Porter.jpg|thumb]]
[[Dr. William Porter]] — [[Bloodlines: Part 3|{{date|20080125}}]] 
''In loving memory of Dr. William Porter... he may have bought babies Gina and Bree, but at least he brought them into our lives. RIP.''
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==Dr. Hart==
[[Image:410-DrHartConfessing.jpg|thumb]]
[[Dr. Hart]] — [[Bloodlines: Part 4|{{date|20080126}}]] 
''In loving memory of Dr. Calvin Hart... who truly cared about Gina. RIP.''
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==Porter's Shadow==
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[[Porter's Shadow]] — [[In the Bedroom|{{date|20080307}}]] 
''In loving memory of Porter's Shadow... he was creepy and he stalked people. What's not to like? RIP.''
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==Kate's Watcher==
[[Image:KM12in12-WatcherDead.jpg|thumb]]
[[Kate's Watcher]] — [[Precious Blood: 10:30PM|{{date|20080406}}]] 
''In loving memory of Kate's Watcher... not even he could win against Terrence. RIP.''
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==Elizabeth Avery==
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[[Elizabeth Avery]] — [[Stiff|{{date|20080516}}]] 
''In loving memory of Elizabeth Avery... who raised Bree to be the girl we know and love. RIP.''
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==Michelle Clore==
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[[Michelle Clore]] — [[The Day She Died|{{date|20080606}}]] 
''In loving memory of Michelle Clore... who was very good at hiding her true nature from the public. RIP.''
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==Gina==
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[[Gina]] — [[Prom: It's To Die For - Part 4|{{date|20080606}}]] 
''In loving memory of Gina Hart... whose innocent outlook on life melted our hearts. RIP.''
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==Jeffrey==
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[[Jeffrey]] — [[Answers|{{date|20080612}}]] 
''In loving memory of Jeffrey Griffin... who wanted to make his family proud. RIP.''
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==Raymond==
[[Image:KM282-Jeffrey Raymond blowtorch.jpg|thumb]]
[[Raymond]] — [[Answers|{{date|20080612}}]] 
''In loving memory of Raymond... who more likely than not was just along for the ride. RIP.''
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==Edward Salinas==
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[[Edward Salinas]] — [[Hangman's Noose|{{date|20080613}}]] 
''In loving memory of Edward Salinas... who got sloppy. RIP''
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==Carl==
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[[Carl]] — [[Secrets in the Closet|{{date|20080620}}]] 
''In loving memory of Carl Adams... who had questionable motives. RIP''
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[[Category:Lonelygirl15 characters]]
[[Category:KateModern characters]]

User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15

2008-05-02T03:03:02Z

74.224.76.28: /* Solutions */

''Issues currently being discussed:''
*Lack of indication that the character images are links. ([[#Solutions|Current Discussion]])
*Possible implementation of character rollover effect onto video images ([[#Solutions|Current Discussion]])
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==Comments==
:Well...it's ok. What I really like about the current one is the fact that it's really clean and attractive. This new one doesn't have enough contrast (too much blue) and has a lot of wide open spaces. Also, the rollover for the characters is really unattractive in my opinion. The old lgpedia format had more flair, like stars and flowers, but this new one seems to have only a filmstrip which is for the most part totally empty (only the right-most section being at all filled). And finally, I think the header is too big and flashy, not nearly as clean or "classy" as the old one. Sorry to the people who no doubt worked really hard on this, take my suggestions with a grain of salt, either of the two is fine with me but I really prefer the old one :/ [[User:Lumino]]

:I love this new version it sick [[User:OldOak7]]
:I think it looks great! [[User:nnnik]]
:I have no criticism at all. Maybe it's that I'm not good at this stuff, so I think it looks perfect. Either way LOVE IT!!!! Can't wait to see the finished product. --Greenie [[User:138.210.216.82|138.210.216.82]] 12:17, 10 April 2008 (CDT)
:I love this redesign! You do a nice job, Renegade!- [[User:AzukiLotus]]12 April 2008
::Ditto. This "living room" for the LGPedia "house" feels less like an information overload, and more like a "welcome! won't you come on in?" ;-) --[[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]
:I don't know if we're still taking comments on the page, but just for the record, I like think it looks awesome. [[User:Elphielivesagain]]
:I think maybe the background needs another color than white. [[User:Krisser]]
:I love the new design and a dont find the character links hard to find now it has text over them [[User:Danielbeast24790]]
I really really really like the new design of the page, i say lets go for it!
:I think it looks great, but my problem with it is... to much blue! Spice it up a bit, guys. I also think you should make larger spaces between the character photos; too close together, it'll confuse new people. Other than that... it's awesome! {{unsigned|66.171.183.102}}
:I like it! I know there's a huge argument below about the character icons as links....so just to comment on that, I think that it's rather obvious that they're links. I mean, as soon as you roll over them it seems clear to me. I like the rollovers, as I find that they make this a lot more obvious, you know? But I'm not putting this down there in the argument, because it's getting awfully personal. :P I think the design's cute and attractive. Good job! I hope it works out. [[User:DreamHaze|DreamHaze]] 19:00, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

==Suggestions==
===Shiori's happy nitpicks===
#The contrast on the vid template is still too low. Can we crank it up or something? The "no image available" image is especially making it look jarring with the low contrast.
##Playing around in Photoshop, #9FC6F0 looks nice for the bars.
##Could you make the image background the darker color? I liked that... (Speaking of the image, tone down the "no image available" one; it's crazy dark.)
#Looks squished. Make layout width:100%, pwease.
#I don't even know if this is even possible, but I'll throw it out there anyway. When the layout is changed to 100% width, and then I make my browser window smaller, the character images eat up the side nav. If you could, fix it on the left and maybe set the width in between the images to a variable width so they'd stretch across the whole top bar?

Looks ''really'' good, Ren! - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 14:31, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

:#I ''can'' play around with the colors, but let's first hear other opinions. And the "no image available" one was actually made for the previous proposal, I just uploaded it 'cause it's the default filename if no image was set. I'll upload a new one once we know which color we go with.
:#It's designed for 1024px width; can't make it wider without some more photoshop love. So let's hear what others say, first.
:#Given that the character icons should stay away from the dark blue part, if possible, I'd be opposed to that. But then again, I don't know what exactly you did and didn't do to achieve width: 100%, so I can't even reproduce the problem.
:More opinions, anyone?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:00, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

::I think the only real thing that's bugged me on the design is the fact currently all images (whether character or video) are on the right hand side of the page. Previous versions always had some on both sides. Now, I know you don't want the characters anywhere near the dark blue of the banner, and I agree with you there Ren, so I don't even want to imagine how much it would take to test different (and I'm not suggesting the whole thing get worked over), but I wanted to point it out and see if anyone else noticed this as well. Plus, I finally had some time in this busy semester to gather some opinions for this discussion. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:02, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

===Character Row===
What happens if, at some point, we need to have more or less character icons? Does this require an entire redo in photoshop? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:36, 27 March 2008 (CDT)
:The "edit character row" link is there for a reason, Z ;) [[User:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15/Character Row]]
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:21, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

::Right, but what if we add a character, doesn't that throw the width of the character row off? Based on the width of the header? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:14, 27 March 2008 (CDT)

:::Well, depending on how you modify the row, it shrinks or grows...?
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:39, 28 March 2008 (CDT)

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===Vid Template/Image Color(s)===
<div style="padding:1ex 1em; border:#aaa 1px solid; background-color:#ECFCF4">
:'''Resolved: Solution was to keep darker colors.'''
:''Images have been removed during the archiving.''
We're basically agreeing that the colors look good in the vid template, but Ren and I are argue-discussing whether the darker color should be used for the image border or not. So please decide whether the top or bottom version looks better: [image]
- [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:34, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

:I like the bottom one better.
::--[[User:TimiN|TimiN]] 19:45, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

::I have created an actual (not fabricated :P) comparison:
::[image]
::I agree that, put next to each other like this, the darker scheme looks slightly better; but keep in mind that, on the portal, the news are placed next to a giant, dark box, which generates a much different contrast:
::[image]
::And, though I agree the difference is marginal, and the darker scheme doesn't look ''bad'', I do think, placed against the dark box, the lighter scheme works slightly better.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:36, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::My does not think the lighter version is better. :p (When taken from a full-page standpoint, the difference is almost unnoticeable. Meh. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:44, 31 March 2008 (CDT)
</div>

===Character Icons===
One problem I have with the design now is that it is not clear that you can click on the individual character icons to view the main characters' pages. The icons simply look like part of the design at present. Perhaps putting the names back under the icons will help people understand that they can click those... or does anyone else have any ideas? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:52, 30 March 2008 (CDT)

:You get the normal link hand icon over them, so those not familiar with mediawiki in general should get it by instinct. And even if they don't, [[Characters]] is the first link in the first content box. In a worst case scenario, a confused person just takes one click longer.
:Not to mention that the names of the current character boxes don't look like links either. I click them because I know from experience they are links, not because it's actually obvious.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:40, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

::The hand icon appears over every image, so the fact that they appear on the icons does not provide any real clue to the fact that the images actually take you to the characters' pages. The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the [[Characters]] link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them ''knowing'' they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.

::And I think there is a big difference between the character icon placement you proposed and the one we have now. Currently, they are in a separate column and each icon has a box with the name of the character underneath. It is much more obvious that you can click those images and/or the links to learn more about the characters than it is on your proposal, where there is no text and the images just look like part of the header design. I think it's important that people know to click these links, so we should find a way to make it obvious that they can. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:46, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::Random idea: Would overlaying a link-indicating icon or something work? I can't imagine it looking right with text, which is kind of a problem... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:49, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::I added alt text, I think that helps a little. Not sure it solves the problem entirely though... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:55, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::Hence why I said "those not familiar with mediawiki in general should get it by instinct". Those who are new to LGPedia should instinctively react to the cursor change, those who are familiar with LGPedia also know that the portal icons can be clicked.
:::Of course largely labeling them as links would make it clearer, but a caption box like on the current portal will definitely not work. An overlay with the name ''might'' work. But so far, you're the only one mentioning it, so let's hear what others say before we change the design in such a drastic way.
:::In addition, your analogy is wrong - the latest videos are changing almost daily and are on the front page as ''news'', not as permanent content. We are not just providing a link, we are reporting the latest video - and that requires a date at least. In addition, a random still is by far not as clear as a frontal face shot. Some shot of the general LA area, or of Daniel in the rented house, could fit dozens of episodes, so the link wouldn't be clear without text. The List of Videos is also not a replacement, because it shows neither a date or posting, nor a description, nor a viewing link.
:::A link to Daniel's page on Characters ''is'' the same as a link to Daniel's page on the front page.
:::A link with poster on List of Videos is ''not'' the same as a full news post with posting date and watch links.
:::You cannot compare news posts that inform users of the latest information of a video to a static link.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:59, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

::::Okay, but how is a person supposed to differentiate between the hand icon that comes over the images for the icons and the hand icon that comes over the image for, say, the graphic that says "Lonelygirl15 portal." That image doesn't take them anywhere of relevance, so why should people assume that the icons, which appear to be a part of the larger image, take them anywhere?
::::I agree with you on why we need the whole video template. But I am unsure why this is relevant. Are you trying to argue that the icons shouldn't be there in the first place because they do not report the news? Could you please clarify this?
::::And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page. The Characters page contains an image, a clearly identifiable link, and a brief description of the character. The icon on the front page does contain not anything but an image link. And really, on the Characters page, people ''aren't'' supposed to be clicking the image to get to the page (otherwise all of the characters would need images, which most of them do ''not'' have), but the images redirect there as a "just in case."
::::They are not equal. They are different. The icons are on the front page because providing easy links to the main characters is important. We need to find a way to make sure they are emphasized, otherwise they might as well not be there. And unless this is what you are suggesting (in which case we'd need to have an entirely different discussion here), we need to make sure people know they are there and will take them to the content they will, in fact, take them to. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 20:50, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::Well, I for one would prefer names next to the characters. Now, I think Ren said that would be difficult code-wise (I wouldn't know any better, as that's not my expertise) but I still would lean toward names with the characters if only for new visitors to attach names to the faces they see. And while I'm sure that there won't be so much white space on the Portal -- due to the fact this is merely a sandbox and such -- I do want to express that I'm not a fan of so much blank, empty space (i imagine there's something in the works, right Ren?). Again, maybe it's just me, but those are my thoughts. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:29, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::This looks '''awesome''', but I agree with Pheon about the names. I as well am not an expert at coding, but how impossible would it be for it to only say the name when you roll over it? I don't know if that's completely out of the question but I figured I'd throw it out there. Please don't laugh me to scorn! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:37, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::To take it a step further, (I'm pretty sure it's not possible in the Pedia, so you can just consider it rambling) we could do rollover images to let you know the character's name... I think the best idea would be an alt tag with just the character name and some superimposed image letting you know it's a link. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:43, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I can easily code a div that says "Click here for this Character's page - Daniel" or something when you hover over Daniel's pic. If it works in ''Internet Explorer'', however, depends on if the programmers were drunk one day and actually wrote standards compliant code.
::::::You misunderstood me, pheon. Code-wise, it'd be easy to write. But if you add captions to these images, the design is destroyed. Period.
::::::As for the white-space, it's currently fixed width optimized for a 1024x768 resolution. As noted above, I can try creating a variable width version, but that requires a lot more work on the image. However, given that more whitespace is generally regarded as "lighter" and "easier to grasp" by users, and I don't see anything lacking space, I honestly don't quite see the problem. The news boxes would not be smaller anyway - if anything, they would be just as high, but longer, with the descriptions only filling one line, and the content descriptions would all be in one line.
:::::You missed my point, Z. All I was doing was showing how your analogy of comparing the character icons to the news was invalid. I was not making any statements about the validity of any content item on any page.
:::::And btw, the header can easily be turned into a link to the portal to de-confuse the users, or overlayed by an empty div to de-linkify it. Or used as a CSS background image. Or whatever. What matters is not that the header is a link, but that the character icons are links.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:07, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

::::::I said it before, and I'll say it again. Variable width FTW. Make it so! (If you can) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:09, 31 March 2008 (CDT)

:::::::The headers are not links anymore and the layout is variable width now.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:08, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Just added charbox template, generating a special overlay effect on FF and IE 7 and upwards, and also changing the link to the character page directly, not to the image page. (Thus making very obvious that this image is a link to a character, not to an image page.)
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:48, 5 April 2008 (CDT)

:Looks perfect! I love the rollover names, that's awesome! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:16, 11 April 2008 (CDT)

I really like the rollover names too, and I definitely think it helps, but I don't think it solves the problem entirely. We really need a clear indication that these are links. I think that part of the thing here is that the people who are commenting are people who are familiar with the current layout, and already know that these images should be links... but any new viewers that LGPedia draws in could very easily be confused by the proposed setup. Perhaps something like.. a little arrow that says "Click here to learn more about these characters"... or something to that effect should be considered? I'm not sure how to best do this, as obviously I want to keep it as aesthetically pleasing as possible, but I also think functionality and navigability for new users is really important and something we should all keep in mind. Other than that, I really like this design and am on board with going forward with it! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:30, 11 April 2008 (CDT)
:Has there been any additional thought given to how to solve this issue? Like I said, as soon as we can fix this, I am totally on board with making this design live... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 10:47, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
:A suggestion from the person who doesn't really know anything (so please don't take him seriously because this would probably really hard to do) but what if we put "Characters:" to the left of the images? Now the thing that would probably be impossible to do on a wiki: I think it might be cool if we could put buttons to the left and right of the images that when you roll over them, they scroll. This way if there are any additional main characters, we can add them in, and people can just scroll through the list. Yet again, I know nothing so don't yell at me for my incompetence, just an idea. [[User:-R-|-R-]] 18:51, 11 April 2008 (CDT)

===Video List===
I love the design, but I wanted to point out that the video list column extends far beyond the other one. Maybe instead of four video boxes we could have three? Just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:25, 19 April 2008 (EST)
:I agree, because it's so long, it leaves such a gap at the bottom-left side (me no fan of huge-white spaces). Three video boxes could work, or maybe even making the section titles (i.e. "Lonelygirl15 Universe," "Behing the Scenes," "Other Series & Content") could be bigger? Just throwing out thoughts . . . --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 19:51, 20 April 2008 (CDT)
::Another option could be to just remove the "recent videos" list and just have the link to the complete video list. What good do those additional five videos do, anyway? (I was also trying to innovate a bottom bar for the most recent five videos, but that would probably look weird.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:07, 20 April 2008 (CDT)

:::I have no idea what you guys talking about. When re-sized to 1024, the columns are almost equal, when wide on 1280, only the recent videos peek over. I don't see anything extending "far beyond". Screenshots? Arrows?
:::And, most importantly, are those showstoppers for you?
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:22, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
::::In my post I'm refering to the "Recent Videos" list. While its not major, I'm just not a fan of such a huge amount of white space. That said, I'm cool with Shiori's idea of just dropping the list all together, leaving just the link to the complete video list. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 17:30, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

:::::Are you on a notebook?
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 21:11, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

:::::Bah, since even *if* you count this as a design problem (which I, personally, don't), it still looks better than the current layout, I'll go forward with the move unless there are objections within 21 minutes. If the list is a problem later, we can put it in a collapsed, expandable div/table.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:09, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

==Launch==
===Problems===
We are going forward with this? I do not see any resolution on the character icon issue...? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:23, 21 April 2008 (CDT)
:The resolution is, I had a notice '''directly on the portal''' for the past [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=119618&oldid=119583 eleven days] (getting very direct [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=122215&oldid=122136 two days ago]) telling people to note objections and criticism. You are ''still'' the only one who complains about the character icons. In the [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade%2FPortal%3ALonelygirl15&diff=122724&oldid=119695 entire time], people mostly said they liked the design. I had one suggestion to totally change the background color, which was unsigned and not taken serious by ''anyone'' (and would look like crap), one suggestion to put "Characters:" next to the characters box, which, permanently, would destroy the layout, and on hover would be the same time of fix as now, and these remarks about the video list length now, which a) is minor, and can be fixed later, b) I can't even reproduce/understand in the first place, and didn't come up in the month before, so it's likely a taste question anyway, and c) one column has to be longer anyway. Period. It's forced by the way I coded this. Not to mention I already proposed a fix above (collapsed expandable div). So we have one non-serious, anonymous suggestion, one suggestion that only seeks to please you, not specifically mentions the poster actually dislikes the current state, and this minor taste issue today. In the same time, we got three "this looks great!" type of answers, and no one really objects. FH14 and Pheon don't really object - they just don't like the length of a certain content item. Neither do ''you'' really object to the design as a whole, you'd just like to put giant arrows on the character icons.

:Nobody really objects to this redesign, after I made it as public as possible on the pedia, and there was enough time to discuss it. Even with the minor nitpicks people still have, it's way better than the current version. You can argue "OMG THE LINKS ARE INVISIBLE!" all you want, even if they are, the users are not retarded - if they really want to know about the characters, they can click "Characters" until we found a solution for the icons. So yes, I'm moving forward with this ''now''.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 23:03, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

Renegade, I really did not want to do this, but since when do you have the authority to overrule admins... muchless to disrespect me... or ANY member of this wiki, for that matter? I am reverting your edits until a ''calm'' and ''rational'' '''consensus''' can be reached on this issue. And please take this as your warning, if the attitude displayed in these posts continues, there ''will'' be consequences. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:29, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

:I did not realize that this was this close to going live, and I was surprised to see it happen. Frankly, although most people did agree that the new design looks good, the portal is a ''very'' highly viewed page, so I think we need to be absolutely sure we're ready before we make such a change. And in this case I think that means admin backing as well. The old portal works for now, and since there is a dispute we're going to leave it at that until a resolution is reached. And please, ''please'', ''PLEASE'', '''keep things civil'''. Respect is the name of the game here. Just keep that in mind. Kthx.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 00:40, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

:Once more, Zoey fucks over community discussion and consensus. Surprise! How many weeks this time until you can be arsed to go on with this? Three? Four? Five? Never?
:Let's be honest here: You're just pissed off because I didn't give you the opportunity to shoot it down in silence. I dared to post it out in the open, so you couldn't just say "no" without reasoning in the shadows. Now you're fucked because your made up reasoning finds no support, so you just claim there is no consensus, even though there was really no objection to the current design, and even though the note was ''on the fucking portal'' for almost two weeks.
:I am sick of this shit. '''If you want to dictate this redesign away, do it already.''' But stop making up bullshit reasons. Our users are not retarded. They ''can'' click "Characters" for character information if they don't realize the icons are links. And there is no need for more discussion for a consensus that needs to be reached, because everybody already likes the design, ''you'' just think our users are too stupid to find character information. In fact, I have been working ''together'' with the community for weeks to create the current state, and the progress and process is very visible above. The only thing standing in the way of this redesign is ''you''. Don't claim anything else.

:And for the record, no matter what you may try to construct here in order to justify your dictatorship - I did ''not'' overrule any administrative decision. You did ''not'' tell me to stop, even though it ''clearly'' said I was going to do it 29 minutes later. Had you wanted me to stop, a simple "stop!" would've have been enough. '''Do not lie and pretend there was an order not to do this.''' There was a clear favor of the redesign over the current design in the community, the redesign works and has been tested in both browsers, and there was no administrative overrule.
:I behaved perfectly within the policies and traditions of this encyclopedia. I just happened to do something ''you personally'' don't like.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 01:07, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

::Okay, really, give it a rest. I don't care about your personal feelings about Zoey or whatever. You can disagree with Zoey all you want, but there's absolutely no reason to attack her. And it's not just because she's the head admin; you shouldn't talk like that to ''anyone'' on the pedia. So here's what I suggest: Everyone just calm down, take a break, and come back later when you're capable of being respectful and not just vindictive. The portal we have right now has lasted this long--there's no reason why it has to be changed very soon, so let's try to work this out first. But please, only in a respectful manner.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 01:37, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

:::Ren, before I say anything else . . . heed Jon's word of advice. Even if we're all adults here, there's simply no need to bring that kind of language and attitude here. You're angry and peeved, we get it. We don't need to read what could be very well be considered a verbal attack. Seriously Ren, keep it civil -- not only for respect of your fellow LGPedians, but also for the sake of not reducing another discussion into a shouting match.

:::Back to the discussion, while there have been about ten different posters on this discussion page, that just not a good consensus. Granted, I know we'd never get every user to give their opinion and I ''know'' you gave them "ample" time to even give an opinion, but like Jon said the Portals are perhaps the most frequent viewed of pages . . . . and we're not even talking about a small change to the Portal like pattern of the character boxes or design of the video column, this is on the WHOLE portal, man. And yes, Admins don't need to rubberstamp yes or no to every decision, but we do have the final judgement whether or not we beleive a proper consensus has been reached. And, IMHO, the lack of discussion here (myself included) just shows such a consensus isn't there and that even some of the more die-hard LGPedians haven't had a chance to properly assess the redesign. Honestly, '''would''' waiting a little longer for some actual discussion ''be so bad?'' We do have lives outside of this Pedia, you know. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:00, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

::::And you actually think confirming that the portal is one of the most viewed pages through a ''second'' admin is helping?
::::All you're doing is confirming that there was a notice for almost two weeks on the probably most-viewed page of this encyclopedia. All you're doing is confirming that this was ''not'' a surprising move at all, and that this discussion was as public as it gets. It's ridiculous to pretend there'd be a sudden influx of new discussion participants if we waited longer.
::::The only way to make this discussion more public is to put the notice in 500% font size, bold and red.
::::If you wanna cower in fear of Zoey's wrath, please, do so. I don't blame you. But everybody knows the discussion itself if not going to change. Maybe over a month, we'll get a new nitpick or a new comment, but nothing's going to change. This discussion has discussed everything there was to discussed. The design was adapted again and again and again to fit the community's needs. There was an open discussion from the start, then the participate link, then the general notice on the portal, then the specific notice on the portal, then the direct statement on here.
::::Let me reiterate that: The portal itself said the redesign was coming almost two weeks, and the portal itself said, for two days, it was coming on monday. It is fucking ridiculous you three are behaving like this was a great surprise to any of you.
::::The only reason this is halted is because Zoey is not getting what she wants, and she has the badge to force her will. It's as simple as that.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 02:16, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

:::::Ren, Jonpro seriously JUST asked that, ''"Everyone just calm down, take a break, and come back later when you're capable of being respectful and not just vindictive."'' Despite this, you have continued to personally attack Zoey. Enough man, this just isn't the place for that. Now, posting a civil response is fine, but you have '''no''' reason to just continue attacking Zoey. As it stands, the three of us don't feel the redesign is necessarily ready to become live, nor do we feel that there's any reason why it has to become live THIS very second. The date it was "planned" to go live was chosen I imagine for efficiency's sake, but it's not like we have a deadline like we did when the KM Portal was first being created.
:::::But once again, before you respond please take the time to take a deep breath. We really don't need another shouting match here. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:41, 22 April 2008 (CDT)
:::::::I have been following the design discussion for some time and not felt the need to comment because I pretty much felt Zoey's comments on that thread said it all. I think the design is quite nice and thanks to Ren for all the hard work. However as pointed out it can be just a little better if we can figure out how to make it clearer that the pictures are icons. Yes, I get the point that it has never been totally clear even with the old design. However this is the perfect opportunity for us to get it right. I am a Mac user and as such i strongly believe that good design should be inherently intuitive to the user. The film strip looks nice and the roll overs were a good first step but I cannot help but feel we are missing one small adjustment to the design that will solve the dilemma once and for all. Now is the time to do that and I would be more than happy to try out designs or contribute in any way to finding a really great solution. I fear that if we take the design live now the importance of this design decision will just be lost and may never reach that final awesome end point that will do the design justice.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 05:31, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

::::::Pheon, the only thing that really stands out to me in your reply is that you don't deny at all that the notice was very visible, and that it was very visible Monday was planned. Yet none of you complained. So either you ''are'' lying, and you knew full well when it was planned to go live with this, or you're not lying, which means the three administrators of this pedia failed to watch the most-viewed page on it for two to three days - iow, they failed to do their job. Majorly.
::::::There is no ground for you to pretend this is oh-so-surprising. In fact, ''on this very page'' it is documented that you were here on April 20th, whereas I added the "it's happening Monday" notice on the 19th. Yet, there was no "OMG STOP!!!" from you.
::::::Unless you're blind or illiterate, it was very fucking obvious when I was going to do this. Yet, you guys are trying to build this up as a kind of sneak attack where I tried to circumvent the decision-makers. Not gonna happen. If you want to shoot this down, fine. Do it. But I will not let you make up bullshit to justify it.
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:41, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I for not did not see the [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:Lonelygirl15&diff=prev&oldid=122215 notice] that the design was going to go live on Monday, and it's not fair to call me either "blind or illiterate" because of that. You posted it in ''one'' place, on the portal, and made no mention of it here until ''21 minutes'' beforehand. And frankly, I've been pretty busy these last few days, and even if I happened to see the edit in Recent Changes, I probably assumed it was just an update for a new video, as there was no edit summary. And in the few times I likely viewed the portal, I didn't think to look closely at the notice to see that it had changed to indicate a date when the design would go live. In other words, it wasn't as obvious as you make it out to be, and there's no reason to yell at us for missing it. Having said that, you still ''did'' indicate that you were going to make the change a few days beforehand, and there was no ''direct'' objection (although I'd consider Zoey's [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade%2FPortal%3ALonelygirl15&diff=122724&oldid=122722 edit] an indirect objection), so you did follow procedure for the most part. However, that does not at all justify your disrespectful comments toward any of us, and your refusal to stop making them isn't helping your case.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:04, 22 April 2008 (CDT)
:::::::::I also missed the notice on the main page and I use LGPedia quite a bit. I think that just goes to show that our eyes (or optical sensors in my case) are creatures of habit and that goes to why design is so very important. I was following the discussion thread and from what I saw the design issue in question had not been resolved and I think thats what we need to get back to.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:59, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

===Solutions===
(''Ignoring the arguing'') Well, I might as well propose a possible solution to the character box problem. Maybe next to Bree's icon there could be a sideways strip of text that says "Characters" something like:

{|cellspacing="0" align="center" style="background-color: transparent;"
|align="center" style="background:#1E2A63; border: 1px solid #1E2A63;width:100px"|'''{{link|link=Characters|text=Characters|color=#ABB8DB}}'''
|}

But, again, on it's side at the end of the row (I'm not exactly sure what the names of the colors used are, so I just used these). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 08:50, 23 April 2008 (EST)

::or we could add something to an extra icon in the film strip row that would just make it clear the icons are buttoms but still keeping the slick design.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 07:54, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

:::Making my own solution, as it seems graphical options might still be in the realm of confusing, I added some text above the character images explaining that they are, in fact, links. It also doesn't kill the layout all that much, so (assuming it can be considered to do the job), everyone should be happy. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 10:06, 23 April 2008 (CDT)
::::I like the nice (very small) text that you added. I think it fixes the problem without killing the layout. --Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 12:19, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

::I really like the page! --Elphielives

:: On my browser the text "Click on the character's image to go to their page." is burried in the blue so it is not very visible. Try adding it to the perforation below the characters since film actually does have text in the perforation.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 22:16, 23 April 2008 (CDT)

I really, really feel that the pictures next to each video should have the same rollover effect that the character icons do. So...you would roll over the picture, and the black filter and video title would be on the picture. It just kinda throws me off-center when the pictures aren't standard. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 18:33, 23 April 2008 (EST)
:Actually, I was wondering: now that the text is there, do we even need the rollovers? What does everyone else think? Also, mm, could you post a screenshot or something? - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:59, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
::I agreed with Phisho. Oh, and Shiori, I LIKE the rollovers. I think they look really good! --[[User:Greenie|Greenie]] 11:36, 24 April 2008 (CST)
:::I also like the rollovers and think that Phisho's idea is good. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 15:51, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
::The roll overs are good. The only problem with just roll overs is that you have to roll over the icon to see them. What we are trying to do is emphasize the fact that the icons are links when the page opens. One option, as I pointed out earlier would be to add an extra icon before the characters. (I played around with the KM portal and this shows where it could be done. [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Modelmotion/exp]. Now right now it is just a black box, but the idea would be to have something that blended in with the film strip but convey that the icons to the right are links that should be clicked. The more subtly that can be done and the more it fits in with the design the better. Perhap an arrow of some kind embossed in the background color. I don't know but it is intended as food for thought.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:47, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
:::To be honest, I like the way that was decided on a while ago (having the text that says "Click on the character's image to go to their page." above the images) a lot more than that black box. I just feel that we should make the text slightly bigger. I definitely think that that would get the point across. There's not much more we can do, right?

:::Don't get me wrong, I feel that if the black box is spiced up a little bit more, it could be beautiful, but it looks great now, and I'm not sure anyone needs to do unnecessary work, aye? --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 24 April 2008 (EST)

:::As I said before i have two concerns with the "Click on the character's image to go to their page". While it is direct it is slightly buried in the design and would be easy to miss. Also as currently positioned the words actually blend into the solid blue in my browser. Since there are other options I think it is worth considering them. Direct designs can get the job done but they are not always the ones that lead to the best interface. To the extent possible a design should be visually intuitive and the right use of visual clues can often be the best solution.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:33, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
::::Absolutely, it's hard to see right now. I suggest that we move it to the left of the character icons, increase the font size, and make it black and perhaps bold. It's direct, which is good, and it's hard to miss, which is great. It's also...easy, which is wonderful. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:42, 24 April 2008 (EST)

::I think that one of Ren's original concerns was that might affect the esthetic of the design and that is important. These are difficult factors to balance.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:59, 24 April 2008 (CDT)

::::Which is a problem in of itself... Ren and I talked over a link icon overlay originally, but that would lead to the problem of, not only looking intrusive, but people ''still'' wouldn't know what it's telling them. The "characters" label, while a nice idea, still leads to the same problem. I don't know, as far as I can see, all of this would still need to be used in conjunction with a secondary solution.
::::I think we might have to just pick a solution and recognize that it's not going to satisfy everyone. The characters link is right there, anyway, for the users who, despite a gigantic bump on the noggin, still can't notice that the images are links. (I've also mulled over the idea of drop shadows and character labels, both of which end up looking horrible and not really helping any more than the solutions already proposed.
::::As for the text that's there currently, I can make it the standard size easily if people think it will help. Bold and black will definitely be negatively affecting the design, as far as I can see, though. And, mm, I shortened the sentence it was using so that ''should'' solve the overlap issue you're getting. (If not, please post a screenshot or something. I've checked the code in Firefox, IE, and Safari and it works for me in each, so I'll be very confused.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 20:02, 24 April 2008 (CDT)
:::::Hmmm . . . I like the rollovers as they include the names for each of the characters, so I would keep them even with the new description at the top of the the "filmstrip." As for the color of the text, maybe not black, but something darker, sure (maybe the shade of blue in the Portal banner as opposed to the blue in the filmstrip). --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 02:49, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

::I tried to take the "icon" solution a step further.[http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Modelmotion/exp] Clearly this is not intended to be a final solution but just a very rough indication of where it could go if someone could develop the right icon.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 04:46, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

:::I can easily make a "characters" icon or something for the bar there (I think it would really need to say that, and not just on a rollover in order to be effective), but I'm not sure it's necessary. If enough people ask for one, I'll make one. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 05:44, 25 April 2008 (CDT)
::Yea, the rollover is just there because it was in Rens code. I was thinking the word Characters could be written vertically (in a matching color) and the icon be a slimmer strip but with an embossed arrow pointing to the right to give it a sense of movement. Again the idea is to draw the eye to the film strip in a way that creates the impression they are active links. Thats how I think intuitive design should work. --[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 06:26, 25 April 2008 (CDT)

:::Okay, is anyone up for making said icon to see how it looks, or do people think it's unnecessary? Once we have this worked out, I think we'll be pretty much ready to go live.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 03:05, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

::::I think it's unnecessary. I do, however, think that we should add the rollover effect to the vid list pictures. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 07:13, 29 April 2008 (EST)

:::::The problem with that is that the video images don't actually link to the video pages. So, adding the rollover effect to them will make them look like they do and only confuse people more. And we've considered having the images redirect to the video pages, but that seems to create more problems than it solves. And besides, the title of the video is right there anyway to be clicked on, so it's not like it's missing information like with the character names.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:02, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

::::::I agree with Jon. Stylistically, having a set of images that are rollovers and a set that isnt looks funny (which is why I was wondering if they were even necessary), but having rollovers over there could be potentially more confusing than not. How often do people roll over the video images anyway? I basically ignore them as it stands now... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 08:19, 29 April 2008 (CDT)
::::::::Ok, I also think that Jons right about the vid images and change my vote about that, however, I think that it's pretty obvious the character pages are rollovers. My friend who had never seen either portal said that she would be able to figure out that they're rollovers and also pointed out that there are no instructions on the current portal to click on the characters image. Her suggestion was to make the pictures a little further apart and to have a box that says "characters" (maybe diagonally but an obvious link) linking to the [[Characters]] page which would lead you to figure out the others are also links. Another thought I just had would be to put the characters name to the left of their picture (our left) vertically, maybe in white(?) My biggest complaint is I hate where it says "click on the characters picture.." because I think it looks sloppy. Just throwing ideas out there, really. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 21:52, 29 April 2008 (CDT)

:::::::::::Just adding my 2 cents in (from the perspective of someone who loves the lgpedia but doesn't edit). I don't like the "click in characters picture..." as I thinks its obvious that you would do so, it seems kind of patronising. It also looks out of place and doesn't seem to match the rest of the portal. Oh, and I have no idea where to say this so I'll just put it here: Thanks heaps for all the hard work you all do on the lgpedia! [[User:Charlie_star|Charlie_star]] 21:07, 30 April (NZ time)

:::I will try and make an icon when i have time. We have already been over the fact that the currently live page was not perfect and the idea is to solve that problem with the new page (not repeat it).--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:42, 30 April 2008 (CDT)

[[Image:Text overlap.jpg]] This shows the text overlap with the solid blue.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 18:07, 30 April 2008 (CDT)

:Yah, that's ugly. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:47, 30 April 2008 (CDT)
::mm, what resolution are you on? I could only get it to do that at something less than 1024x768 (on OSX, since I know that's what you're on). And if you're on a resolution below that, the whole design should like a little odd, to be honest. If it's more than that, I'm just plain confused. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 09:33, 1 May 2008 (CDT)
:::::::::::::::::Yep, 1024x768.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 20:39, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

:::If someone could make an icon, that'd be great, since I think it would look less tacky than the text, although I suppose that will do if we can't get a good icon. I'm not exactly a design person myself, but I know some of you could make something that would look really good. So, thanks in advance guys!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:41, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

::::I made one (it's not the greatest in the world, it's more just a mockup), but I still don't think it's making the icons any more intuitive... - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 12:55, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

:::::That's what I get for not looking at the page before I post :p. And I think it has potential. What do others think?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:11, 1 May 2008 (CDT)
:::::I agree, that looks way better, definitely on the right track! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 19:07, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

::::::I think it does help suggest the line of icons is character links. The text could be clearer and the arrow could be slicker.....perhaps a single solid triangle. I like how you made it fit in with the overall design.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 20:32, 1 May 2008 (CDT)

:::::::I like it, but the image should link to http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lonelygirl15_characters. And...I'm still pulling for the rollover effect on the vid list, but I can stop fighting if most people agree with Jon.

:::::::By the way, the vid images COULD link to the actual pages. I'm just not sure how much work it would be. I think it would look better, stylistically, and I really want to make that known. However, I'm terrible at coding, and if it's too much work to fix all of that, I'll drop it. -- [[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 23:00, 1 May 2008 (EST)

User talk:Renegade/Portal:Lonelygirl15

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Parallax

2007-10-15T22:26:06Z

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'''Parallax''' is a video shown from two perspectives. It can be shown in two videos like in [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] or in one video like [[Truckstop Reunion]].

==List of parallax videos==
*[[The Human Ransom]] (Jonas and Tachyon)
*[[Is He Out There?]] and [[Proving Bree Wrong]] (Daniel and Jonas)
*[[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] (Jonas and Daniel)
*[[Truckstop Reunion]] (Bree and Daniel)
*[[Mission Possible]] (Spencer/Taylor, Sarah, Daniel, and Jonas)
*[[They'll Do Anything]] (Sonia and Daniel)

[[Category:Notable details]]

Lonelygirl15 The Story So Far...

2007-09-03T00:03:14Z

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{{One other use|the lonelygirl15 backstory|the Kate Modern Video|The Story So Far... (video)}}

=Season One=
==Who is lonelygirl15?==
[[Bree|Lonelygirl15]], a.k.a. Bree, is an intelligent, yet awkward and geeky teenager. Raised in a strict, isolated household, she lacks many of the social skills possessed by her peers. She never went out with friends much, and spent much of her time reading or playing juvenile games, such as interacting with her three stuffed animals, [[Thor]] the bear, [[Owen]] the turtle, and [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]]. Bree was home schooled, and she and her parents moved around a lot, which limited her social experiences and left her without any true friends. For a short while she attended high school, but the social pressures, teasing and her lack of experience proved too overwhelming for her to bear. However, she did leave her short stint in public high school with one friend, [[Daniel]]. Later on, we find that Bree also has one other connection from her short school experience, [[Cassie]].

==Her Beginning==

In June of 2006, Bree bought a webcam and began posting on [[YouTube]]. At first, she posted simple, silly clips of her and her stuffed animals, which she explains were edited by a friend. Later on, however, she opened up to the audience and began sharing more and more about herself, her life, religion and troubles. [[My Parents Suck...|Bree explains]] that her religion often prevents her from doing normal, teenage activities. Along the way, [[The Danielbeast|she introduces Daniel (as DanielBeast)]], her best and only ''real'' friend. Although he just sits on the bed and reads magazines most of the time, he occasionally participates in her clips, such as their spoof of each other, "[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]".

Daniel and Bree spend more and more time together, [[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!|going on hikes]], [[Swimming!|swimming]] or just sitting in her bedroom. Bree's father asks Daniel to film Bree's play for her annual religious summer camp. Daniel refuses, and [[What Bree's Dad Said...|Bree's father reacts negatively]], straining her friendship with Daniel. Afterwards, tears are shed and angry words are exchanged between the friends. Daniel [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)|posts a video]] explaining how he intends to attend her play, though not to film it, much to the surprise and happiness of Bree. Having gotten over the first hurdle in their public relationship, Bree excitedly shares that she has been chosen to participate in a sacred ceremony for her religion. Bree does not share many details about this religion except to say that she is truly committed to her faith.

==Her Rebellion==
Daniel [[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!|invites Bree to a party]], something she has never experienced, and with people she only met during her short time in public education (and who also [[Poor Pluto|teased her]] for her intellectual curiosity in science class). Her parents forbid her to go, but Bree [[I'm Going to the Party!|decides to sneak out anyway]]. Much to her dismay, her father is waiting for her when she gets home. She is promptly placed under "[[House Arrest|house arrest]]," and her father forbids her to see Daniel anymore. After this first rebellious act against her parents, it seems as if Bree has become addicted to sneaking out, or perhaps she just relishes her newfound freedom. Daniel invites her on various "dates" and Bree is confused about teen love. She's never had a boyfriend before, and obviously never experienced a kiss, so Daniel's desire to be something more than friends befuddles her, especially when [[My First Kiss|he kisses her]] at another party.

==Her Religion==
In the video [[A Change In My Life]], Bree sheds some light on the ceremony for which she has been chosen to participate. For the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]], she has to learn [[Enochian|a new language]], go on a special diet, learn special steps, take [[iron pills|iron supplements]] and receive weekly [[Bree's injections|injections]].

Although Bree promises to have a dinner with Daniel, she realizes that she has to attend an annual [[Fall Equinox]] ceremony for [[Hymn of One|her religion]]. Again, her mysterious religion tears Daniel and Bree apart. She decides that her religion is more important to her than her only friend. She gains a "[[My Helper|helper]]" whose role is to assist her in preparing for the upcoming ceremony. She is already studying hard, dieting, taking pills and receiving mysterious shots. Nevertheless, she enjoys this new female friend. Daniel, still angry, [[Where Are They Going?|follows Bree and her helper]], [[Lucy]], in order to figure out the woman's purpose and motives. Bree sees the videoblog of Daniel following her and is upset. She tells Daniel via [[Daniel Crossed The Line|videoblog]] to leave her alone and stop following her. She also warns him about the power of those in her religious order. Daniel ignores her and begins to become alarmed by the extent to which her religion affects events in Bree's life.

==Her Ceremony==
Daniel finds inconclusive, yet disturbing stories about a man associated with Bree's religion, [[Aleister Crowley]]. He follows Bree and her helper yet again and in a secluded, wooded area stumbles upon the ceremony. As Daniel [[The Ceremony|films part of the secret ritual]], he notices that he is being watched. Fleeing through the darkness, he escapes into his car before being caught. After that, he follows Bree's helper Lucy to her apartment and waits until she leaves, [[Following The Helper|breaking in]] and finding pictures on Lucy's computer of himself videotaping the ceremony, along with maps of locations in Texas, Arizona, California, Alaska and Alberta, Canada. Shaken and paranoid, Daniel is convinced that Bree's "cult," as he calls it, is following him as he followed them. Bree hears of this and becomes extremely worried about Daniel's safety. So he goes "underground," staying at a friend's home to hide from the cult. Daniel calls Bree, finding out that under the instruction of Lucy and other cult members [[I Lied To Daniel|Bree has lied]] to him about the ceremony, which was faked. As it turns out, Bree knows very little about purpose and date of the ''actual'' ceremony. Furthermore, Bree's father seems to have little information about the injections he was giving to her. Bree realizes that Lucy will not answer any of Bree's questions. With Daniel's encouragement, Bree decides not to participate in the ceremony, and her parents surprisingly support her decision. Meanwhile, Bree is contacted by [[Gemma]], an old friend, who warns her of the power and influence of [[The Order|the "Order"]]. This prompts Bree to reunite with Daniel at his house.

==Her Getaway==
While at Daniel's house, [[Still At Daniel's|Bree's parents contact her]] to tell her that she should sleep at Daniel's for the night, an extreme contrast to the conservative parents Bree has known. A few days later, Bree and Daniel, both worried, decide to return to her home after receiving no responses to their numerous phone calls. Upon arriving at the house, and from within the safety of Daniel's car [[On The Run|they witness her parents leaving]] with Lucy and a man from the ceremony. Once the car drives off, the two enter Bree's house to examine the scene. Hidden inside the P. Monkey puppet, Bree finds a note and some money left by her parents. The note advises her to stay with Daniel. Daniel and Bree worry about whether or not Daniel's house is a safe location. They make the decision to run away. They sleep in the car for a few days before settling in to a [[Motels#The first motel|motel]]. Bree seems to be her usual silly self, but [[Someone's Following You|Gemma warns her]] that she is being followed by a "[[Watcher]]", a member of the Order who is stalking them. They both flee again, finding [[Motels#The second motel|another motel]]. [[Silent Treatment|Daniel is upset with Bree]] for not taking the situation seriously.

==Her New Friend==
Bree is left a video comment by [[Jonas]], who wishes Lonelygirl and Danielbeast a [[Happy Thanksgiving]]. He does not give out much background information about himself, and says only that his parents mysteriously disappeared while sailing six years ago, and expresses his sympathy for Bree, a fellow "orphan". Meanwhile, Daniel and Bree return to their motel room to find it [[Ransacked!|ransacked]]. With all of their money stolen, and now having only the small amount left that Daniel is carrying, and they flee once again. Daniel becomes increasingly aggravated and wants to go back home, but Bree is not convinced that they are safe. Bree receives a vblog from Gemma who fears she too is being followed by a Watcher. [[Scared To Go Home|Scared to go home]], Gemma hides out at a friend's home, noticeably distressed, much like Daniel when he realized he was being followed. The situation for Bree and Daniel grows increasingly worse when Daniel is informed by someone named [[Tachyon]] that his car is bugged with a tracking device. Deciding that the safest choice is to [[Homeless|abandon the car]], the now-homeless couple has to resort to dumpster diving for food and a dirty abandoned warehouse for shelter. In November 28th online chat session, it is suggested that Bree and Daniel accept the help of Jonas, who is apparently rich, unemployed and lives alone in a large house. However, Daniel and Gemma are not convinced. Bree [[Your Decision|chooses to stay with Jonas]], but Daniel decides to [[Back Home|return home]].

==Her Betrayal==
Jonas posts [[Tough Cookie|a video claiming that Gemma was lying]] about being in London; apparently she is in California and still active in the Order. This, along with Daniel's abandonment of her, drives Bree to sulk for several days. Meanwhile, Daniel decides to go [[Back At Bree's|back to Bree's house]] and investigate, finding evidence that leads him to [[Breaking And Entering|break into a pharmaceutical warehouse]]. Bree decides to take action herself and begins by [[Bree Phone Home|calling her friends and family]] to see if anyone has had contact with her parents. She initially seems to find no helpful information, but in a call to an uncle, receives a coded message from her father, indicating that he is okay and requesting that she meet him. She reminisces about her old friend [[Cassie]] with whom Bree made some prank phone calls during their brief friendship. By the time she finishes making her calls, Bree concludes that the "Gemma Incident" is good reason to avoid contact with those in "The Community."

==Her Reunion==
On Christmas Day, much to Bree's [[Christmas Surprise|surprise]] and elation, Daniel arrives at Jonas's house. However, on the following day, Jonas and Daniel wake to find that [[Bree's Gone|Bree is gone]] along with Jonas's car, one of his credit cards, and some of his cash. Daniel decides to examine Bree's recent videos more closely to find an explanation of her disappearance, and realizes that she has been communicating with her father in code, and has gone to meet with him. Jonas and Daniel [[Roadtrip|try to track down Bree]] and eventually find her meeting with her father. The Order suddenly appears and [[The Unthinkable Happened|shoots Bree's dad]], while Bree escapes with the boys. Bree spends several days depressed, while Daniel and Jonas each try to cheer her up.

==Her Rejection==
Daniel posts a video announcing that he "[[Bree And I Hooked Up|hooked up]]" with Bree. Jonas is [[Kicked Out|kicked out]] of his own house when Daniel makes a special candle light dinner for Bree, but it apparently doesn't go well.

Bree posts a video saying [[Daniel's A Liar|Daniel has lied]], and she just kissed him in a act of impulse and there is nothing more to it. Daniel is so upset that he leaves the next day and [[Truth Or Dare|gets drunk at a local bowling alley]]. Jonas picks up Daniel, who is too drunk to drive himself home. Daniel is accompanied by a nameless young woman ([[Katharine McPhee]] in a cameo appearance), who hangs out with Bree and Jonas while Daniel sleeps off the liquor. Daniel wakes up the next morning with a terrible [[hungover|hangover]]. Since Bree is frustrated by the antics of Jonas and Daniel, she decides to think about [[Time To Grow Up|career plans]] and her need for privacy. Meanwhile, Daniel states that he will no longer pursue Bree, choosing to spend his time [[Foosball Battle|playing foosball with Jonas]] and giving Bree space. Daniel decides to go [[For The Ladies|back to the bowling alley]] to look for the unnamed young woman, or someone else to replace Bree.

==Her Hunt for Daniel==
When Daniel does not return from the bowling alley, Bree posts a video sharing [[Daniel's Missing!|her concern for his safety]], as no one has heard from him. Bree confesses that she still wants him in her life, though she does not want a romantic relationship. Jonas and Bree [[Looking For Daniel|go to the bowling alley]] to look for him. Bree receives a cryptic text message from Daniel that says 'No good' but does not state his location. Jonas talks with a bartender who saw Daniel leave with a local man, so they head for the man's house "in the mountains". It gets late and they still haven't found the "local" man's house, so they [[Sleepover|stop at a motel]], where they are forced to share a bed, to Jonas's discomfort. A couple of days later, Daniel posts a strange video [[Miss Me?|trying to persuade Bree to rejoin the Order]]. Assuming Daniel has been coerced or brainwashed, Bree posts a video [[Me For Daniel|offering to do the ceremony if Daniel is released]]. When it comes time to [[The Human Ransom|trade herself]] for Daniel, they all escape the Order with the help of Tachyon. Bree [[Rescuing Daniel|sums up what she can]] about Tachyon and [[OpAphid]], an organization closely affiliated with the Order who has been posting videos for some time, expressing that she wishes to more actively oppose the Order.

==Her Getaway, Part 2==
Jonas [[Valentine's Day Massacre|declares]] that he too is sick of running and wants to fight the Order. A few days later, Daniel sees a Watcher in their driveway. Jonas walks out to confront the Watcher and has a brief scuffle, but the Watcher backs off when Bree jumps in front of Jonas. The three [[Yellow Snow|run to Jonas's parents' cabin in the mountains]]. When they arrive, [[Snow Angels|Bree and Jonas go on a hike]] and search the area without Daniel. [[Jonas Sucks|This angers Daniel]] as he is convinced that Jonas is hitting on Bree. They patch things up after Jonas says he has no interest in Bree at all. Daniel finds a package from Tachyon, and he uses it to crack the code on a disk that was left with Bree, which contains [[Semiotics|files on the origin of the Watcher symbol]].

==Her Suspicion of Jonas==
[[How Dumb Am I?|Bree discovers a Watcher symbol]] in Jonas's cabin, and concludes that Jonas is working for the Order, like Gemma. She ties up Jonas to question him, to [[Bree Is Crazy|Daniel's shock]]. After Daniel loosens his bindings [[What The Hell?!??!|Jonas escapes]], taking the car keys with him so that Bree and Daniel can't leave, but not the car itself, as he intends to stay and prove his innocence. Jonas then [[Proving Bree Wrong|breaks into the cabin]] to find evidence that he is not indeed with the Order. He shows Bree and Daniel his evidence and they finally believe him.

==Her Investigation==
Our intrepid protagonists then [[On The Road Again|head for the coast]] to stay at Jonas's Aunt Alex's house. [[Sorry Jonas|Bree tries to atone for her treatment of Jonas]], but Jonas, still angry, ignores her pleas for forgiveness. [[Flesh Wound|Jonas punctures his hand]] with a screwdriver while trying to break into his aunt's study and Bree takes him to a vet to get the wound stitched up, as she is afraid the Order will track them down if they go to a hospital. The gang then manages to break into Jonas's aunt's study, and finds that [[My Hand Hurts|she has been undertaking a substantial inquiry]] into the organization that Jonas's parents formed as a movement against the Order. [[Aunt Alex|Daniel and Jonas pick up Alex from the Airport]], and Daniel immediately starts hitting on her, despite Jonas's warnings and Alex's saying that she doesn't have the time for a boyfriend.

==Her Training==
Bree decided to meet up with [[Tachyon]] instead of going to the airport, due to a spat with Jonas. They go to one of Tacyon's secret camps where [[Training Hard|Bree receives "Bad-Ass" training]]. Meanwhile, Daniel and Jonas go to a "fashion industry party" with Alex. [[Uncle Dan|At the party]], Daniel hits on Alex, and Jonas gets extremely annoyed. There is a framed photo sitting on a table that appears to be a picture of Alex and Lucy, but neither Daniel nor Jonas seem to take notice of it, even though it is [[Lucy!?!?!|obvious to Bree]], who sees it in [[Uncle Dan|the video]]. Bree decides that she's going to go back to Daniel and Jonas, even though she thinks it will "piss off" Tachyon. When Jonas sees [[Lucy!?!?!|Bree's warning video]], he confronts Alex and tries to run away with [[Daniel]]. Wanting to give Alex a chance to explain herself, Daniel returns to the house, where [[Alex Is...|Alex coldly reveals]] that [[Jonas's parents]] are still alive and with [[the Order]].

==Her Capture==
Bree, Daniel, and Jonas [[Truckstop Reunion|meet up]] at a truckstop after the Alex's shocking revelation that Jonas's parents are alive. Daniel and Jonas then try to teach Bree how to play foosball, but [[Co-Ed Foosball|to spin is a sin]]. Bree thanks Jonas sincerely for all that he's done, and apologizes for "being selfish.". After that, the threesome [[Vegas, Baby!|go to Las Vegas]], and while there, are found by [[the Order]]. After they run and manage to lose them, Bree decides they should stop posting videos so [[OpAphid]] won't find them anymore. But it is too late; the Order [[Subjects Apprehended |soon captures them at a gas station]]. The Order then proceeds to subject them to [[Psychological Torture|psychological torture]], in order to get Bree to do the ceremony, and Daniel to go home. Their plans for Jonas are unclear.

==Her Escape==
Bree, Daniel, and Jonas [[Communication Terminated|escape]] from the evil clutches of the Order yet again, but no one is quite sure how. At the end of this video, a pair of legs can be seen walking. Who is this? They then go back to Alex's house and [[Missing Days|follow her]]. They somehow have their car back, and they say that a Watcher shot a person from the Order. Bree now says that her religion, [[Losing My Religion|The Hymn of One]] is a front of the Order, or somewhat the "recruiting branch." The trio continue following Alex down the coast until [[Lying Bastards|they reach Mexico]] and Daniel overhears one of Alex's phone calls. Bree then [[Spring Break Sucks|reflects her thoughts]] while Jonas and Daniel drink. Bree decides to take some action, and, with the help of Daniel, [[Confrontation|confronts Alex]]. Jonas decides that it is time for him to [[Hug It Out|reconcile]] with Alex, and does so. Alex then [[Apology Accepted?|shares some information]] about her family's past and her background with the Order. Daniel and Alex hit it off again, so Bree and Jonas [[Spanglish|explore the city]] and Bree explains the history of the people there. While at the beach a few days later, however, [[The Perfect Beach|Lucy shows up]] in order to take Alex, and Alex tells Bree that the Order has a new girl for Bree's infamous ceremony. BDJ begins to distrust her yet again. For their safety, they [[About The Gun|move]] into a [[bunker]] once used by former members of [[the Resistance]].

==Her Search==
While in [[the bunker]], Bree [[New Girl|watches]] a [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates|video]] by [[Nikki Bower]], which identifies a girl from Texas named [[Jules]], as the "new girl". While Bree is investigating this, Jonas [[Running For Life|tries to help Daniel]] get over his newly revived drinking problem by [[Intervention|filming Daniel while he's drunk]]. Bree then comments on Daniel's problem and [[Sloppy Drunk|continues to investigate]] Jules. She then gives [[Blog Girl|more information]] on the Hymn of One and Jules's possible connection to it. In the meantime, Daniel [[Quitting The Sauce|decides to give up drinking]], and Jonas and he try to hypnotize each other to remember what happened during the week they can't remember. They then attempt to [[What Happened to Us???|recreate the circumstances]] they remember from their capture. Bree starts [[A Solid Lead|corresponding]] with a another Texas girl named [[Taylor]], who claimed to have played soccer with Jules. Daniel and Jonas finally [[Science Proved Nothing|give up]] on remembering, and BD&J decide to [[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!|go to Texas]] to meet Taylor, but at the designated rendezvous Taylor's sister [[Sarah]] [[Crazy Emo Chick|shows up without her]]. After hanging out a couple days with Taylor and Sarah, they all go to [[No Trespassing|check out a lead]] that Taylor found, but it turns out not to be Jules's house. Afterwards, Bree and Jonas [[We Found Julia!!!|find Jules]] according to a blog on Jules's MySpace page, and despite Jonas's advice not to, [[BDJ]] [[It's Not Kidnapping|kidnaps Jules]]. [[Bree]], in an attempt to help her talk, lets [[Julia]]'s ropes slack. Bree then decides she'd like some water, and leaves her victim unattended. Julia escapes, but is found the next day, cowering behind a building. She is quickly re-captured.

==Her Surrender==
[[BDJ]] then decide they want to take a ride in [[Jonas]]'s car, with [[Jules]] tied up in the back. As they drive, they run into a [[Watcher]] car, with [[Lucy]] and a [[Deacon]] waiting outside. Jules jumps out of the car and runs to the agents, despite her bonds. It is only a matter of seconds before [[Bree]] joins Jules in a nice chat with Lucy, much to [[Daniel]] and Jonas's dismay. After a 20 second pow wow, Bree hops in the car with Jules. Daniel and Jonas run after the car, and demand a very effective command: "Open this door!" Daniel and Jonas then run to their own car, and drive after the Watcher car. They later say they're lost. Taylor (through her hacking skills) discovers that Jules, unlike Bree, is not adopted. [[Let's Play Doctor|Daniel infiltrates a local hospital]] and steals Jules's medical records; they discover a page with the EPOGEN symbol on it, and the cryptic note "Trait: Negative." [[Comfort Food|Daniel talks about the loss]] of his grandmother when he was sixteen, and [[My Sister = Slut|Taylor comforts]] him and talks about the loss of her father, and how rude [[Sarah]] is being. Bree makes a [[Sing With Me|recruiting video]], for the [[Hymn of One]], in which she appears to be completely back with them, but in the video is the message "HELP HER FRIDAY". Daniel And Jonas reconnect with Sarah, and they go to the [[CAMP PLAY|Summer Camp where Bree did her play]]. They discover a box there under a tree stump. Bree Makes a [[Be Part of Something|second video]] with the message "BENEATH THE BLUE STONE" hidden in it. Daniel and Jonas [[Opening the Box|open the box]] and discover information from Bree's dad about Bree and his genetic research. Daniel and Jonas begin checking out the Hymn of One auditions, hoping to see Bree, but they only see [[Carl]], [[Sonia]], [[Barb]], and [[Chris]], all dressed in white. [[It's A Cult |Daniel, Sarah, and Jonas wait until the seminar is over]], then do a little investigating, managing to get footage of the procedure from members of the audience.

==Her Rescue==
The clues from the seminar and the videos lead the TAAG to Bree's location, where they [[Getting Her Back|kidnap her back]]. In the following video, Bree is shown to be [[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe|suffering some sort of mental breakdown]]. As the gang attempts to [[Bedside Manner|deprogram her]], she shows little response, except to Jonas. As Daniel and Sarah appear to be [[Relationships#Daniel_and_Sarah|growing closer]], Jonas and Bree do as well. Daniel [[Taking Advantage of Her|expresses resentment]] over this, claiming that Jonas is taking advantage of Bree's condition. Sarah then secretly films [[HOLY SH%T!!!|Jonas and Bree making out]], and [[The Morning After|the next morning]], Jonas posts a half-naked video, strongly implying that he and Bree had [[Relationships#Bree_and_Jonas|sex]]. However, he soon discovers that Bree has disappeared, and the team [[Mr. Park Ranger|searches for her]]. Sarah posts a video, [[Everybody Does It ;)|chiding Jonas]] for being too hung up on his feelings for Bree. When he sends an email to Taylor about it, she posts a video, [[Like A Virgin|making fun of him]] even more harshly. A few days later, Bree posts [[Going Home|a video from her cell phone]], saying that she is lost and begs someone from the Hymn of One to come find her. Shortly afterwards, Jonas, Daniel, and Sarah hear the Order's helicopters, taking her away again.

==The Hunt for Isaac Gilman==
Taylor [[A New Lead|does some research]] on a bar code that was included in the box that Bree's dad left for her. She discovers that the bar code belonged to Wyman Foundation in San Diego, California. Daniel then discovers another name in the box -- [[Isaac Gilman|Dr. Isaac Gilman]], a geneticist that they believe works for the Wyman Foundation. However, when the [[The Mad Scientist|follow the lead]] to San Diego and go undercover to find him, they are told that he does not work there. After some googling-help from the community, and Taylor doing her hacker-thing again, the gang finds out that Dr. Gilman plays Tennis at [[Sweating Bullets|La Jolla Health and Tennis Club]]; using a free one-day trial on the pretense they're interested to join, they spend the day at the club with the goal to find someone knowing the doctor. This time, they're lucky: The receptionist of the club reveals that she knows Isaac Gilman and has heard about Bree, but is clearly frightened and wants to meet Jonas and the others at her house later. Before they release the footage of their encounter, the HoO releases [[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS|another commercial]], again with an encoded message: "My Hands Are Tied. She's Being Prepared. I'm Sorry.". The next day, we see [[The Mistress|what happened at the receptionist's house]], and learn that the receptionst was, in fact, Dr. Gilman's [[The Mistress (character)|mistress]] for over ten years - and that Isaac Gilman died on the same day as Bree's dad, while ''on his way to meet Bree's dad''. We also learn that Isaac Gilman has a son, Spencer Gilman, who is also a scientist.

==The Hunt for Spencer Gilman==
In the [[In (Search of) sanity...|next video]], Jonas tells us that the community quickly found Spencer's MySpace, and that they are waiting for a reply from him. To clear his mind and focus his energy, Jonas drives down to Zavalla and meets Taylor, while Daniel and Sarah [[Rockin' the Boat|take a day off]], and apparently end up having sex. Seeing this (or rather, getting the implication), Taylor [[My Mom's A Freak!|posts a vlog]] in which she expresses her disappointment with Daniel, trying to remind him of how much of a slut Sarah (supposedly) is. On the sexual front in her own home, her mother hit on Jonas, which the two re-enact using Troll dolls. The next day, after having some trouble setting his webcam up, Spencer [[What Up Blogosphere!|finally contacts the gang]], joking about getting fired for all the e-mails he received from the fans. He makes clear he cannot help DJST right now, but promises to contact them if he finds anything related to Bree or the compound. Independently, the Hymn Of One releases [[Look Back|another video]], and the mysterious insider encodedly tells the gang "Friday Early Low Tide Yacht Club Parents Slip". After seeing this, [[My Dad Died Too|Jonas decides]] he's not going to be "mopey" anymore, and tells Spencer how his dad died as well, and that they wouldn't come for his help if they didn't have to. In the meantime, [[Dude Back Off|Sarah is annoyed]] by Daniel, because he's taking their growing relationship very serious, while she just wants to have fun. Taylor and Jonas talk about this and other things while [[Going Back to Cali|on their way back to California]], where they're going because Taylor had a huge fight with her mother. Unfortunately, they won't arrive before "Friday Early Low Tide", so Sarah and Daniel [[All Wet|have to go alone]]. At Jonas's parents yacht slip (sans a yacht), they find a submerged box with research information by Dr. Gilman. However, at the end of the clip, Sarah, in her typical manner, causes the just-found documents to fall into the water, rendering much of it illegible. Desperate, Daniel posts Dr. Gilman's letter on the web, and the united power of the community manages to decipher what was lost. Daniel then sends the letter to Spencer, who [[I'm Here To Help|responds with another video]], in which he expresses gratitude for the TAAG sending him this final letter from his father. He also notes that he now sees his father would've wanted him to help them, because it's the right thing to do.

==The Labrat==
Seeing how Spencer is now willing to help, Jonas and the others decide to meet him unheraldedly, on the Neutrogena parking lot. Spencer isn't mad, but afraid he might get in trouble for their appearance. Spencer and Taylor quickly befriend each other and, again with the help of the community, [[The Bree Solution|decipher the research-documents]] from the stash. Unphased by this, the Hymn of One posts [[Sing Until The End|yet another commercial]], and the mysterious insider informs the TAAG that there is a "Road Block. I Am Coming To You. Everyone Must Be Careful. Order Everywhere. Stop Questions. Answers May Be Too Difficult For You." Shortly afterwards, Daniel receives a text message, telling him where to meet the insider (now referred to as Deep Throat, after the Watergate-informant), and [[Deep Throat|goes to meet her]]. He learns that Bree was put under a lock down, and that the Ceremony is going to be within a month. This information keeps Spencer's mind going enough for him to [[We Have A Plan|post a video from work]], summing recent events, and declaring that the [[purity bond]] has nothing to do with The Trait. His nerdy side is revealed here when he makes numerous sci-fi and fantasy references, and in [[Mission Alpha|the next video]], which shows his attempts to teach rock climbing to Jonas, despite the fact that he's never actually rock climbed himself. This is followed by extensive [[Mission Beta|orientation and coordination training]] for Daniel, as well as [[Mission Gamma|"maze solving" exercise]] for Taylor. This training, Spencer says, will help everyone complete their part on the mission. [[Mission Possible|And it does]]. They succeed in getting the blood sample, with a little help from [[TCC]], the person who has been leaving secret messages in Bree's blogs and is revealed to be [[Alex]].

==The Serum==
Alex [[Proceed with Caution|does not stay for long]], though, and the TAAG [[The Serum|hides in a makeshift lab]] built at a place belonging to the dad of a friend of Spencer's. While Spencer regularly terrifies Taylor by pretending to hear something or implying she made grave mistakes, he also manages (with her help) to synthesize the serum necessary to make Bree trait negative; in the meantime, Jonas and Daniel [[No Girls Allowed|grant themselves some "bro time"]] by going golfing. Unimpressed by their latest victory and the departure of Alex, the Hymn of One releases [[Something's Coming|yet another commercial]], the text foreshadowing the upcoming Ceremony. The reason for the Hymn's calmness is soon revealed, when a shrilling alarm informs the group that [[They Broke In!!!|someone broke into the lab]]. Luckily, the serum was stored inside a safe, but all of Taylor's and Spencer's notes are destroyed during the break-in. Still terrified by this, the TAAG decides to move out, and the Hymn posts a cheery video [[A Week to Remember|congratulating Bree on her upcoming Ceremony]].

==Her End==
The group stays in hiding, until Daniel receives a call by [[Deep Throat]] informing him that the Ceremony is today at 4 PM, but Deep Throat doesn't know where yet. They have to go to a meeting spot in Santa Monica, where they'll get the information, but the exact location is encoded. Daniel asks the community to decode the message, while they'll move out into the general Santa Monica area. The mood within the group isn't good. [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 1 of 12 – 8 am|Sarah and Taylor want to quit, and Daniel and Jonas are visibly upset]]. Soon after they start driving, [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 2 of 12 – 9 am|the car breaks down]]. While Jonas is fixing it, Daniel accesses the forum and reads Deep Throat's decoded message. Jonas has just finished fixing the car when a Watcher appears and starts approaching them. They quickly get into the car and take off, [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 3 of 12 - 10 am|but the Watcher is following them]]. A car chase arises, ending with the Watcher pushing the TAAG's car off the road. All of them survive the crash (with some visible scratches), and they continue to flee on foot. They hide in a warehouse Spencer finds, uploading videos via wireless LAN or mobile phone connection, [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 4 of 12 - 11 am|while the Watcher searches the warehouse for them]]. They change positions in order to evade being caught, but lose Sarah in the process. In the meantime, [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier|Nikki Bower is at the meeting spot]] they were supposed to be at, meeting a cohort of Deep Throat and receiving a note. In addition, she gets contacted by [[User:VoyBoy|VoyBoy]], who recognizes the warehouse the group is hiding in and [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 5 of 12 - 12 pm|leads her to it]]. Nikki and VoyBoy get spotted by the Watcher, but Nikki B. knocks him out with a fire extinguisher. The two find Jonas and the others, and all of them (including Sarah) run out of the warehouse, trying to still [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 6 of 12 - 1 pm|reach the second location in time]]. Daniel does meet Deep Throat, and they get a clue and the directions to a hangar where the Ceremony is taking place. During their advance, they have to realize the container with the Serum broke in the car crash. Luckily, Spencer made a backup, but it's back at the lab. Since they have no time to waste, they reluctantly allow Sarah to go get it while they proceed to the hangar. Once there, Spencer successfully [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 7 of 12 - 2 pm|solves the clue as referring to musical notes]], and they open a trap door in the ground leading to a medical facility belonging to the Order. After searching the complex for some time, [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 8 of 12 - 3 pm|they finally see Bree]], but are attacked by a Shadow before they can do anything to help here. Daniel kills the Shadow, but not before the Shadow stabs Jonas. Desperate, they call for Sarah to bring medical supplies, but [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 9 of 12 – 4 pm|they have to keep moving]] due to Shadows being on their track. Finally, Sarah arrives and does bring supplies, allowing Spencer to stitch up Jonas. They move out to help Bree, but when find her, it is too late. Right in front of the camera, only inches away from Daniel and Jonas, [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 – 5 pm|Bree dies]].

Shaken, depressed and scarred for life, they [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 – 6 pm|barely make it out of there]], and give free rein to their emotions. In his grief, Daniel accuses Jonas of being at fault for Bree's death, only to break down crying in his arms seconds later. Jonas says nothing at all, and we learn that Sarah truly had feelings for Daniel after all, just as Taylor hoped Jonas would notice her some day. Alas, seeing that the boys' hearts belonged to Bree all along, they both decide to leave. In a last video for the evening, Jonas tells us that Bree recorded a delayed message that [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 12 of 12 – 7 pm|arrived on Daniel's phone after the Ceremony]], explaining that she returned to the Order and went through with the Ceremony in order to save the others from the constant threat of the Order. She says that she found "something" that she doesn't have yet, that is "the key to everything", and begs them to help all the other trait positive girls, even though they couldn't help her. The future of this request, however, is uncertain, as, at the time of the video, Daniel has wandered off as well, and the only people left to fight are Spencer and Jonas.

=Season Two=
==His Depression==
Jonas is still depressed about Bree's death, as is everybody, and two unexpected people [[Speak to Me!|show up]] and try to cheer Jonas up, without much result. They are two [[The party guests|party guests]], [[The party guests#Toby|Toby]] (Jonas's cousin), and his girlfriend [[The party guests#Carla|Carla]]. Jonas isn't the only character to struggling with his emotions and trying to move on. [[My Parents Suck Too|Daniel]] and [[I'm Done|Jonas]] have both stated that they are finished vlogging, though Daniel did mention that he hadn't yet opended the e-mail Bree sent before her death, and that he may read it soon (possibly leading to another video). Spencer, in an effort to come to terms with the end of the their adventure together and say goodbye made a trip to [[Zavalla]], Texas where he reunited with Taylor and Sarah one last time before returning to work at [[Neutrogena]].

==His Family==
Videos start appearing by a user called LaRezisto, and show [[Remember Them?|Jonas' Parents]]. Jonas [[Hey Dad|responds angrily]] as his parents haven't tried looking for him. Meanwhile Daniel [[The Email|opens the email]] before deleting it again - or does he? Meanwhile Sarah decides to [[Sexy Librarian ;)|change her ways]] and gets a job. LaRezisto [[Way of the Gun|give more clues]] to Jonas' parents home, and he [[A Family Affair|pays them a visit]], meeting his sister [[Emma]], and making a shocking discovery. LaRezisto [[Who's Next?|make progress]] in finding the next ceremony girl. Daniel offers to let Jonas [[Drunken Yodeling|crash at his]] and reveals his new girlfriend [[Mallory]], and [[Eternal Freaks|Jonas accepts]].

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