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User talk:LGBot

2007-03-19T00:53:41Z

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== Bot Tasks ==

This is a list of tasks that the bot might be able to help get done faster. Feel free to request anything that you want done, and I'll add it to the list if it seems feasible. If you'd like to contact the bot operator directly, you can do so at [[User talk:Jonpro]]. Also, please sign your comments with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.
*<strike>Fix formatting in videos from <nowiki>''(text)''</nowiki> to <nowiki>(''text'')</nowiki> per [[LGPedia:General style guide]].</strike>
*Add {{tl|tag}} to all articles in [[:Category:YouTube tags]] (mostly done).
*Correct capitalization of [[The Order]] to ??? (pending discussion).
*Correct capitalization of [[The creators]] to ??? (pending discussion).
*Link music links to [[LG15 Soundtrack]] table (details forthcoming).
*Change instances of {{tl|blog3}} to {{tl|blog4}} (pending discussion).

== Great job! ==

Hey Jonpro,<br>
Great work with the bot! Looks like it's running smoothly... as for tasks, think it could change instances of [[The Order]] to [[the Order]]? Actually, I'm not sure which one is correct, but I think there's instances of both floating about the wiki. Thoughts anyone?<br>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 01:39, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
:i think "the" is definitely the correct form. --[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 01:56, 15 March 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, whichever one is correct, I'm pretty sure the bot could fix those. And I think "the Order" is correct as well. Is there anyone who thinks it should be "The Order"?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 10:38, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::: You know, in real life these things are often a matter of belief. For example, a Christian would say "We pray to Him" where non-Christians would more likely write "They pray to him." So Lucy would probably write "We in The Order" because, to her, it's ''The'' Order and there is no other Order. Thank Goodness this isn't real wikipedia where we'd have to make a decision about real people's deeply held religious beliefs. For what it's worth, the official description of [[Date With P. Monkey]] also capitalizes "The" in the middle of a sentence. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:43, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::::i think that only applies to the capitalization of "order." for ex, someone wouldn't say "Our God."--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 18:47, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::::: [[Date With P. Monkey]] and [[Me For Daniel]] capitalizes mid-sentence. In [[Bree Is Crazy]] Daniel leaves it lower case. I thought of another example of the controversy. Newspapers insist on capitalization, such as ''The New York Times'', but others insist it should be the ''New York Times''. I guess there's no right or wrong answer. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:25, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Another one similar to this is [[The creators]]. Is it "the Creators", "The Creators", or "the creators"?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:34, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

:I think what Jay pointed out about "The/the Order" in the descriptions is interesting. Looks like Bree (who was brought up by them) capitalizes "The", but Daniel (an outsider) does not. I would go with "the Order" then. This may be about Bree, but the LGPedia clearly does not exist in the Breeniverse. The characters are barely aware that there's a forum, and I'd bet anything the wiki doesn't exist to them. We are "outsiders". We use "the Order".
:For "the Creators", even though that's the spelling that I've been using, if we're standardizing it, I would prefer to use "the creators". If this were a movie, you wouldn't be saying "The Executive Producers" mid-sentence, would you? The current article on the creators (which is actually titled "The creators") says that they might call themselves that because they liken themselves to gods (a possible argument for capitalizing Creators?). However, I don't think the article should read that way (it's kind of disrespectful to them, really). A much more likely explanation is that 1) they "created" the Breeniverse and 2) their roles in the production defy easy classification. Each of them often takes on various roles in different videos (as evidenced by the credits). Soo... I'm still for "the creators". [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:05, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

What about "the create-a-trons"?? >:-} [[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

== A few bad edits ==

The bot recently made a few bad edits to [[Bree]], [[Daniel]], and a couple other pages due to an error in logic on my part. I was removing leading blank lines from the YouTube tag pages and accidentally removed some (necessary) blank lines in a few other articles. I have reverted all of the bots bad edits and fixed the logic so it won't happen again.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:36, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

== Soundtracks ==

Hey Jonpro,<br>
For a while I've wanted to have video pages link to the [[LG15 Soundtrack]] table instead of having their own music links (in the template). Twjaniak had tried to explain to me how to do this with "anchors" and I didn't quite get it. It did seem like something fairly repetitive though... think if I figure out how to do it, we could have good ol' LGBot run it?<br>
[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 18:35, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

:Hmmm, I guess it depends on exactly how it would work. If it's a matter of replacing one string of text with another, then definitely. And you can get pretty clever with this, so some things are possible that at first don't seem to be. There are other things the bot can do, but it sounds like replacing would be the thing to use here. Most likely, if it is a repetitive task, the bot will have some way to do it.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

::All righty, I took another look at it and apparently this is how it works.
::Step 1: Add anchors to the song titles. For "A Cup Of Blue", put the div tags around the title (note the div id cannot have spaces) <nowiki><div id="A_Cup_Of_Blue>A Cup Of Blue</div></nowiki> It doesn't matter what's in between the tags, it could be hyperlinked or anything, won't make a difference as long as the bot can figure out how to separate the title from the hyperlink so it can copy it. What we'd be linking to is the little "anchor" you've made. This step seems fairly straightfoward in that all the bot would have to do is add the markup and use the song title name (with no spaces) as the anchor.
::Step 2: Update the blog pages to include links to these anchors. On [[Bree Phone Home]] that would mean putting in <nowiki>"[[LG15Soundtrack#A_Cup_Of_Blue|A Cup of Blue]]</nowiki> by Steve Watkins". Now I can see that being trickier since we haven't been consistent with how we credit the music there. However, if the bot can at least make the anchors, it won't be as much work to link to them.
::Is at least some of that doable for LGBot? If it'd be too much work to program it, just let me know. It definitely looks like more work than "the Order" or "the Creators".
::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:36, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

== Video template ==

I've noticed that only the videos from [[Snow Angels]] on actually use {{tl|blog4}}, and the ones before it use {{tl|blog3}}. Would it be a good idea to try to convert all of them to {{tl|blog4}}? If so, what are the differences between the two templates? If it's nothing too extreme, the bot might be able to make the conversion.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:13, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

==Links in transcripts==
I just noticed one user removed links in a transcript because they thought it was "a no-no". I think I remember having this discussion someplace before and, if I remember correctly, the consensus what that the first instance of each link should be linked, and the rest should not be linked. Perhaps LGBot can help in the implementation of correct linking style, not just in the transcripts, but articles in general. For instance, if you give him a list of articles, he can search for the first instance of each, add brackets, search for the remaining instances, and remove brackets. Sorry for the barrage of requests to LGBot, Jonpro... take is as praise! This isn't a time-sensitive project, no rush. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:13, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, this is something the bot might be able to do. I haven't yet figured out everything that it is capable of, but I'm figuring it out as I go. And I really do appreciate all of the ideas for the bot. This is exactly what I hoped the bot would be able to do, so keep them coming. As long as there is no rush (as you say), I'll try to work on the projects one at at time.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:57, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

==LGBot?==

What exactly does this "bot" do? What is it? A computer program? Maybe put the answers to these questions on the page, unless everyone else already knows what it is *blushes*. [[User:Wingless earthbound|Wingless earthbound]] 15:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:Assuming this MediaWiki installation was not modded in this area, a bot account is nothing but a normal registered account (like yours and mine), but with an extra "bot" flag set that leads to its edits not showing up on [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] by default (you can still see them by clicking "[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0 Show] bots" in the header).
:In addition, there's an independent set of perl scripts that can be used to automate certain tasks on the wiki, like placing categories or purging stuff. These scripts usually need an account they can log into to have the rights to change certain things.
:Now, since we already established the bot account is like any other account, you see where we're heading - the perl scripts are told to use the bot account to make their changes, and therefore can edit hundreds of pages in rapid succession without Recent changes getting flood-filled with edits saying "LGBot - Removed category" or something.
:Mind though, that the bot account is expressedly like any other account - it is entirely possible for a human to log into and operate it, and use it like any other account - his edits just won't show up on Recent changes by default.
::[[User:Renegade|Renegade]] 18:47, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::oh. wow. haha. wingless.

Talk:Alex Is...

2007-03-19T00:49:10Z

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LG15 is a pseudo-reality site, HEAVY emphasis on the pseudo! Just because there are realistic elements in this "not a game" doesn't mean it has to be completely realistic. The create-a-trons are, after all, after a new form of drama. In some elements of this series, I wanna hang a big ol' sign in the tradition of Dante's Inferno, "Abandon logic all ye who enter here!" ;)
Also, Jonas could have confronted Alex to "draw a line in the sand" and let her know the kindly Aunt act will no longer be tolerated so she should start treating her new enimies (the Teen Angst Trio) with dignity by dropping the act.
-- [[User: Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

jonas is an idiot. any rational person would just get out of there, but no, he has to have a whole confrontation and alert alex to what they know. and anyway, a confrontation is not so smart if you think someone's in the order. i think the creators were just desperate for drama. :P--[[User:24.19.3.231|24.19.3.231]] 17:28, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

I'm pretty sure Jonas says "I know you've been busy working ''it'' so" and not "working ''and'' so"--"working it" as in flirting. --[[User:Liesbyomission|Liz]] 03:55, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

She just let daniel go? Maybe because she wanted to make sure that her message was heard? Thats the only reason I can think of.

She's fucking nuts.

bizzare. Jonas was supposedly a random 'fan' who offered Bree & Daniel a place to stay with what appeared to be no known affiliations to the order, and now he just suddenly IS linked to the order the whole time? coincidence? or a plot gap?

No i don't believe its a coincidence, I sure hope it will be explained though

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

Maybe the reason Jonas was able to offer help was because he had the resources to do so (money, no parental interference, house, etc) and the presence of those resources might be due to the Order...?

notice Alex said "the what Order" instead of the more grammatically likely "the Order of what?". who has ever heard of a group called the "whatever" Order? it's much for common to be called the Order of the "whatever" (i.e. "Princess Diaries"' fictional "The Order of the Rose"). Before I read the end of the transcript, this detail alone told me "she knows stuff; big stuff." even to the point where she knows the proper name of the Order (there's a group supposedly so secret, people call it the name of the hotel they meet at; no ''outsiders'' know its proper name.)
Also, Alex mentions "I couldn't have killed your parents because they're still alive". Um, who mentioned death? Jonas only mentioned the collection of articles and such were of people she "betrayed". I think Alex is tipping her hand a little prematurely by such suggestions of her knowing the Order's true name and willing to jump to murder when no one mentioned it.

I don't have the ability (or health; I sick :( ) to do this, but I am suggesting that in order (no pun intended) to see where the Order was inspired from, we should search for groups that their title follows the format "The ____ Order".
-- [[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

:wow--good points! Can you incorperate this into the notes? [[User:Wingless earthbound|Wingless earthbound]] 14:55, 18 March 2007 (CDT)Wingless
::thanx, but I got no idea how to condense all that. Anyone else who can is welcome to do so! -- [[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

Talk:Alex Is...

2007-03-19T00:47:14Z

70.156.41.39: slight editorial

Talk:Alex Is...

2007-03-18T07:19:07Z

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She just let daniel go? Maybe because she wanted to make sure that her message was heard? Thats the only reason I can think of.

She's fucking nuts.

bizzare. Jonas was supposedly a random 'fan' who offered Bree & Daniel a place to stay with what appeared to be no known affiliations to the order, and now he just suddenly IS linked to the order the whole time? coincidence? or a plot gap?

No i don't believe its a coincidence, I sure hope it will be explained though

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

notice Alex said "the what Order" instead of the more grammatically likely "the Order of what?". who has ever heard of a group called the "whatever" Order? it's much for common to be called the Order of the "whatever" (i.e. "Princess Diaries"' fictional "The Order of the Rose"). Before I read the end of the transcript, this detail alone told me "she knows stuff; big stuff." even to the point where she knows the proper name of the Order (there's a group supposedly so secret, people call it the name of the hotel they meet at; no ''outsiders'' know its proper name.)
Also, Alex mentions "I couldn't have killed your parents because they're still alive". Um, who mentioned death? Jonas only mentioned the collection of articles and such were of people she "betrayed". I think Alex is tipping her hand a little prematurely by such suggestions of her knowing the Order's true name and willing to jump to murder when no one mentioned it.

I don't have the ability (or health; I sick :( ) to do this, but I am suggesting that in order (no pun intended) to see where the Order was inspired from, we should search for groups that their title follows the format "The ____ Order".
-- [[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

Talk:Alex Is...

2007-03-18T07:18:50Z

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She just let daniel go? Maybe because she wanted to make sure that her message was heard? Thats the only reason I can think of.

She's fucking nuts.

bizzare. Jonas was supposedly a random 'fan' who offered Bree & Daniel a place to stay with what appeared to be no known affiliations to the order, and now he just suddenly IS linked to the order the whole time? coincidence? or a plot gap?

No i don't believe its a coincidence, I sure hope it will be explained though

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

notice Alex said "the what Order" instead of the more grammatically likely "the Order of what?". who has ever heard of a group called the "whatever" Order? it's much for common to be called the Order of the "whatever" (i.e. "Princess Diaries"' fictional "The Order of the Rose"). Before I read the end of the transcript, this detail alone told me "she knows stuff; big stuff." even to the point where she knows the proper name of the Order (there's a group supposedly so secret, people call it the name of the hotel they meet at; no ''outsiders'' know its proper name.)
Also, Alex mentions "I couldn't have killed your parents because they're still alive". Um, who mentioned death? Jonas only mentioned the collection of articles and such were of people she "betrayed". I think Alex is tipping her hand a little prematurely by such suggestions of her knowing the Order's true name and willing to jump to murder when no one mentioned it.

I don't have the ability (or health; I sick :() to do this, but I am suggesting that in order (no pun intended) to see where the Order was inspired from, we should search for groups that their title follows the format "The ____ Order".
-- [[user:Nieriel.Manwathiel|Nieriel.Manwathiel]]

Talk:Alex Is...

2007-03-18T06:55:49Z

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Talk:Alex Is...

2007-03-18T04:54:57Z

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Talk:Lucy!?!?!

2007-03-17T08:38:47Z

70.156.41.39: I thought this would organize things better, even making it note-neat.

<center>
{| align=center style="width:375px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0156-BreeIsWorried.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0156-AlexInFrontOfASuspiciousPhotograph.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0156-BreeDecidesToGoBack.jpg|125px]]
|-
|}
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:15, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
</center>
==continuity error==
*At first glance, there is a stark a continuity error in the placement of the photo; the fact that Jonas and Daniel were waiting for a cab in [[Uncle Dan]] suggests that the party was not at Alex's house. However, two theories are that:
#Alex may have taken Jonas and Daniel TO Lucy's house
#The party was at the house of the person who took the photo. (Alex and Lucy may share a friend.)