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Talk:Portal:lonelygirl15

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69.62.183.104: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */

== New Jonas Picture? ==
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]

:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

== Spencer ==

If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Screenshots? ==
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]

== Missions ==

This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

== OpAphid ==

OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

== Someone!!! ==

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== Outdating ==

Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie

:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]

:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)

:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

== New Series Portal Images ==

Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br>
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}

== Emma ==

Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault.

Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007

== New Bree Portal Image ==
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)

::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)

:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)

== Current Main Characters?? ==

I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Yay.
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.

:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007

I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)

So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?

== Opinions on new news design? ==

Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br>
Known problems:
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::Thanks :)
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

== Brand New Images ==

So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)

[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!

I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)

::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

==Dates for videos==
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:I say they all should list the date.
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)

== 'Breeniverse' ==

This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])

== New portal image ==

So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.

What do you think?

[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)

::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

== New portal title image. ==

I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.

it would look like this:<br>
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br>
::Here:<br>
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br>
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}

== GINA ==

Put up sideline pitcure of Gina

RESPOND!
RESPOND
RESPOND
RESPOND
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)

#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==

Please Respond!

== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==

New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)

==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==

:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==

I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Portal Images ==

I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br>
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br>
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]

== Steve on LG15? ==
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== REMOVING SARAH? ==
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== Redesign ==

So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]

Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)

Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.

==Main Character Merit==
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant).
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

== Order of Characters ==

Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

== Gina on the character row ==

What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.

==Video Screencap Redirects==
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

==Character Row Post Aug 1==
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.

The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.

The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...

*Bree - 153
*Daniel - 273
*Gemma - 21
*Jonas - 242
*OpAphid - 33
*Tachyon - 12
*Alex - 15
*Sarah - 134
*Taylor - 47
*Spencer - 24
*Emma - 62
*Mallory - 22
*Jennie - 76
*Gina - 61

Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.

::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:

::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br>
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina

:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)

::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}

::...gotta love how these things turn out.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. My thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008

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69.62.183.104: /* Character Row Post Aug 1 */

== New Jonas Picture? ==
Crazy! I love it! I provided an option for a new photo for Jonas on the main page discussion, but it seems like it would be more useful on this page now.--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
[[Image:0229-Jonas-cropped.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Tada!--[[User:jeans|jeans]] Reposted from July 11]]

:Actually, the consensus from before was a yes, and I think he looks darn good there too, so um, if no one objects by say, tommorow, why don't I change the pic? :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
::I'm a fan of the latest pic of Jonas (now that its clearer), but I won't really mind if it was changed. I do wonder though -- is there the chance we could that the names of the characters can be placed to the left of their respective picture, with the lettering going up-to-down?? Then maybe the pics won't look so broken up . . . Anyways, great job to everyone who helped with the remodeling!--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Really Pheon?? That was actually one of my favorite parts of the design! I felt like each character had their own little "pedistol" if you will. Kind of said, "look at me. I am important." Haha, I don't know, I guess we could see what other people think, but like I said, this is one of my favorite parts of the design atm! :o --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

[EDIT] I did some mockups to see how it would look, and ugh, it came out bad. I mean, I can try to redo them if you want (I didn't save), but meh. Like I said.. character... pedastol... yay! xP. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:14, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
:Well, I'm not an expert of wiki-codes, so if you said the attempt turned out bad, then it probably did. Eh, it's sorta growing on me . . . :P --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 14:46, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I like this pic, but it doesn't match well with the others. I would be in favor of updating the other pics with ones that look better with this pic, but until then I think we should leave the one thats up there now. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:34, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

I edited the Portal with this pic and previewed it and I think it looks great with the others. We should change it! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]]

== Spencer ==

If spencer is on the portal for main characters, then shouldn't he be on the character template as a main character..--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]]([[User talk:Houdini|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Houdini|contribs]])
:However, isn't he only going to be a main character for two months?--[[user:jeans|jeans]]
I agree. If he's only here for two months, we can always remove him. I say, once a character has posted a blog that ends up on the main LG15 site, it is fair to consider them a "main blogging character". I'd also move him up on the [[Characters]] page as well. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:52, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

== Screenshots? ==
Seriously, where are they? The last couple of videos just straight up don't have them, and they don't seem to be on the KMPortal either. Is this just lack of time, or are we changing that idea around? If it's lack of time, I'll do it myself... I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
:I thought the same thing too, until I realized that something's up with downloading pics. If you see some of the latest vids like [[Mission Possible]] & [[Proceed with Caution]] pictures are downloaded, but the only thing that shows up is, '' 'Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg' ''. Anyone know how to fix this?? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:24, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, that thing is pretty frustrating. :/ --[[user:jeans|jeans]]
:Well, it's fixed now! Big thanks whoever did it!! --[[user:jeans|jeans]]

== Missions ==

This is gonna sound egotistical or whatever that is but...do you think we should put the missions page on this portal. I know me and silver made it, but it is a big part of the series. Well everyone decides.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:12, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

== OpAphid ==

OpAphid is no longer part of lg, by direction of [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] we are to post OpAphid videos in maddison's section only. Please stop posting it here. TY --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 00:06, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

== Someone!!! ==

Someone
tell
me
how
to
put
a
video
up!?

== Outdating ==

Is there anyway we can maybe move Bree on the main page to a heading saying, "Deceased" or something? She's not going to be posting anymore videos, sadly... and I think here pretty soon we're going to need to remove or move Spencer... and honestly, maybe even add Emma. I know right now we're in a transition, but Bree IS something that can be taken care of. Just a suggestion. [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)Greenie

:I don't think a "deceased" category is necessary. Those who do watch the series know Bree is dead, and those who newly come to it don't want to be spoiled right on the portal. As for removing/adding people, so far, Spencer is credited with 22 appearances, while Emma is credited with 3 - while I agree with you that Spencer should be removed if he doesn't take part in the series anymore, I think we should at least wait with the switch until Emma has made at least something like 10 appearances - just to be sure she's not just some kind of guest character that's gonna be dropped the day after tomorrow.
:i think anybody who has used the internet in the past two months knows that bree is dead. there is no need to worry about spoiling anything. haha... - [[user:platypusrex256|platy]]

:And in the end, don't forget [http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-spencergilman there is a petition running] to bring Spencer back - who knows, maybe the Creators listen for once.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:30, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::I was thinking perhaps we should give Bree a "Deceased" heading of some form too, but I like your reasoning, Renegade. We don't want to spoil fans if we can help it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:28, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Renegade, I agree about the spoilers.... what about a non-active category or something? Bree still deserves to be main page... but she's just... not here anymore. Also, I was thinking that Emma needs to wait until she either does her own blog episode, or has been around for awhile. I'm going to the petition to sign it, because I really like Spencer... -Greenie [[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 01:10, 7 September 2007 (CDT)
What if you simply made her picture gray instead of calling her deceased. Then she'll remain part of the cast picture, but is simply set apart. It also won't spoil anything. It may trigger that she is somehow different, but it won't make people automatically assume she's dead. Just a thought. '''-- Evergreen -- Sept. 15, '07 11:28 AM EST'''
:I agree that there should be something done differently, like making her picture grey. I noticed the update on the main page. Now what about Emma? Also, Taylor hasn't been posting much. And now it seems Mallory has made a blog. I'd like to see if she makes any more blogs, and if she gets more involved in the fight against the Order. I think there might be a lot of updating to do soon, but I really feel Emma might be approaching main page, honestly. -Greenie[[User:205.243.71.71|205.243.71.71]] 13:23, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry, but I find the picture order a little strange on the main page. I see that it's "alphabetical", but... I dunno. I think a Jonas-Daniel-Emma-Sarah or Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma order would make more sense, seeing as Jonas and Daniel seemed to have taken over as the co-main-main characters of the show. Also for Bree's picture, is there any way to make the picture black white and shades of gray? I dunno, just a thought. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 11:38, 26 September 2007 (EST)

:I also think the portal page are getting a bit outdated - 6 months has made a lot of difference in all the main character's appearance, no? And I agree that it might be time to add Emma to the portal page. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
::Seeing as Emma is now Missing/kidnapped, I'd hold off on her for a bit . . . and are we going to be seeing Taylor in a vid soon? I'm getting worried she may not come back! And as for pics, we may need to update them, but not any recent picture will do (it's going to take a lot to beat the Daniel one :P )--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:58, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree wholeheartedly that "Daniel in sombrero" is nearly impossible to beat! But I do think he looks great in this one: [[Image:LG291Daniel cropped.jpg|90px]] Though it is a WHOLE different Daniel... which was really kinda my point, that they've changed a lot, both in appearance and in their heads. -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 04:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

== New Series Portal Images ==

Well, with all of the new logos... well now so new anymore... I believe it is past due for a little change. I made a portal image for LG15 first:
[[Image:LG15 Portal Splash Image.png]]<br>
I want to get feedback before I make the KateModern image, because that will take a little more work and I don't want to waste my time. Feel free to comment, I personally don't like the way it ways "portal," and need help on what it should look like. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 4:05 PM}}
::Honestly, this SHOULD be on the Main Page Discussion, since that's where this pic'll end up. But anyways, I think it looks good, and I would suggest having the "Portal" go diagonal-like like the rest of the logo, if possible. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 18:29, 9 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Oh, crap. I didn't even realize I put this here, ooops. Haha. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 09, '07 - 8:22 PM}}

== Emma ==

Sorry, I recently added Emma in the character section. I didn't think about having it approved...Der >.< I was gonna to, but I didn't so....My fault.

Erm, so....should we add Emma? I mean, she is the next trait positive girl.... --[[User:free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 22:206, 27 September 2007

== New Bree Portal Image ==
I know, I'm supposed to post something on the talk page. My bad. But the whole gray box thing just didn't sit quite right with me. The edits can be reversed if necessary, but I just think the graying of the picture might look better (Anyone who watches Big Brother knows what I'm talking about. In the house there is a wall with pictures of all the players. When a player is evicted, their picture turns black and white). --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:10, 28 September 2007 (EST)
:I think the idea was that she would get both a black/white image AND a gray box... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:25, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
Okay, I'm going to be bold and suggest that Gemma and Spencer (who were once main characters in their own right) to be re-added to the front page under Bree's Format (it would look something like [[User:FH14/Sandbox|this]]. What does Everyone think? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:34, 30 September 2007 (EST)
:Yeah, I saw that, but I think I have to disagree. There are plenty of other formerly main characters who could go up there, and all you really do is open up a can of worms. Like why not Jules? Or Aunt Alex? Op/Tach/Bro? I could go on... I mean, I think Bree should still be up there because she IS lonelygirl15, but other than that, people can find the characters through the character pages. That's how I see it at least. What do other people think? (Oh and while I'm thinking of it, how do people feel about the shade of grey used for Bree's box right now? Too light? Too dark? Just right? Let me know! Thanks!) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:45, 29 September 2007 (CDT)
:: What if the box was a little bit more of a bluish gray? --[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 08:06, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
I think if Bree's staying, Gemma and Spencer should too. They're both main characters. Just because a main character dies halfway through a movie doesn't mean they shouldn't be at the top of the credits. If the part they HAD was huge, it shouldn't make a difference.
:::Exactly. Also, Zoey, I see your point about Jules, Alex, Tach/Bro/Op, etc. All Were supporting Characters more than anything. They were either only present for a few weeks, pop up about once a month, etc. (The only one who would have a strong case for a main character is Alex, but it's still stretching it a bit.) Gemma and Spencer posted several blogs and had a large impact and interaction with the plot during their times, and deserve credit. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 15:04, 2 October 2007 (EST)

::::#The series is frickin' ''named'' after Bree.
::::#250 episodes are a little more than Gemma's few side-vids or Spencer's half a dozen appearances.
::::It's just a major difference if you take a vanished supporting off the portal, or the namesake and series lead for 250 episodes.
::::Not to mention that greying out is already way too spoilertastic for my taste. Taking her off would majorly spoil newcomers.
::::There is a ''reason'' people are pissed about Bree's death - just like a lonelygirl15 ''series'' doesn't work without a lonelygirl15, a ''portal'' doesn't, either. You can't have a portal to Bree's series without her.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:10, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::Keep Bree until/unless the C's give us a new cast photo. It wouldn't be unusual for a new cast photo to come out each season for a TV show, and when it does, that's what you use. Old cast pics would then get relegated elsewhere. I'm no rush to excise bree from the portal. You know, Bree's eyes used to appear on EVERYP AGE of the original lonelygirl15.com, it was quite freaky. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 15:38, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::::::For the record, we didn't even get a cast photo when we specifically and directly asked for one, multiple times, even after Amanda promised one.
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:42, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
::::::::: Which basically means Bree will on the page forever, until we find a new cast photo pop up in some magazine somewhere. Maybe if someone with graphics skills worked up a cartoon version of the current cast to use in the meantime, it might come sooner . :-) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 16:15, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
I'm not quite understanding the whole "spoliers" reasoning. There's a message at the top of the Main Page that states that: ''All pages on this encyclopedia are written from an all-knowing point of view. If you have not seen all episodes of a series yet, and don't want to see SPOILERS, do not read further''. I know how unbelieveably MAJOR Bree was. But Gemma and Spencer were on the Portal Page at one point to. Am I suggesting Gemma and Spencer fall under the same category of MAIN MAIN Character as Bree does. No. That honor belongs to only her, Daniel, and Jonas (and if the character continues at the pace she has: Sarah). But Keep in Mind that Gemma and Spencer had just as much imput and impact on the Story during their time as Bree did throughout the entire first Season. (BTW, I never suggested that Bree's picture be taken down in any way, shape, or form. I apologize if I came across that way.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:42, 2 October 2007 (EST)

:There's a big difference between ''the text'' giving away information you don't want to know, and ''the page itself''. If you want to, you can consciously not read the text of a page - but you can't not look at the page itself. If somebody just wanted to click through to [[Product placement]], for example, he can do so without being spoiled by the episode descriptions simply by not reading them - but the fact that Bree is grey and not in the first position (or gone as a whole) is pretty frickin' obvious, and you can't ignore it - no matter if you've just seen My Fatal Mistake or First Blog.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:14, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
:::I agree with you, but Bree needs to be differentiated somehow, as she is a former character of the show. (BTW, her death has been advertised all over the internet, 99% of internet users probably know she's dead anyway; though I do agree the other 1% deserves to be able to find it out by watching the episode where she dies and not from here.) My best suggestion would be this - Make a more obvious and noticeable spoiler tag. Or maybe this: On a website for a book series I like, there are certain portions of the site that can only be accessed if you answer to the following statement: ''The following pages contain spoilers. These are to be read by those who have seen all Episodes of Lonelygirl15 (or KateModern, in regards to the other Portal). If you have not, you are entering at your own risk '''LEAVE, ENTER''''' - or something like that? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 18:30, 2 October 2007 (EST)

== Current Main Characters?? ==

I think it's pretty clear who the current main (blogging) characters are: That is, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Mallory, Emma. I think that the main page needs to reflect that (while please keeping grayed-out Bree). Yay or nay? ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:02, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Yay.
Taylor should be taken off the list ... she's been gone for about a month now.

:Agreed. Though maybe a different order? Jonas-Daniel-Sarah-Emma-Mallory? In Season One it was Bree as the Main Character with Jonas and Daniel as the two sidekicks. Now I'm getting the vibe that it's Jonas as the new main character with Daniel and Sarah as the two sidekicks. (And Bree should be on the front page too, of course.) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:02, 4 October 2007 (EST)
::I'm down with that order. The big challenge is finding "headshots" for Em and Mal, now.. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:07, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Ach... sorry, I didn't see that this discussion was already going on up above. But seriously, I think it's time to change it... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 13:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
:::Actually, the discussion above is more focused on Bree's portal image, and how former main characters should be treated. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 14:38, 4 October 2007

I am going to officially combine my reply to the above discussion and this one, simply because I am too lazy to type this out twice. I am strongly opposed to putting Gemma and Spencer (or any ''former'' character besides Bree) on the main page, simply because they are just that... "former" characters. There are plenty of other ways to find out about major former characters, including the [[Characters]], the bottom indexes on many of the other character's pages, and the video pages themselves that the characters appear in. The only reason I think Bree is should stay is because she ''is'' lonelygirl15. She is not currently an active character.. CERTAINLY not an active blogging character.. so I don't think she should look the same as all the other characters. Hence the greying. I think, aside from setting her apart in a good way, it kind of shows that we're in "mourning" for her.. so to speak. Now, about switching the characters. After watching recently, I think I can agree that the characters should be: Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, Mallory, (Bree). Please make sure though, that as you get new images you keep all the character's heads a fairly consistant size. Consistancy = good :)

So can anyone get some pics of Emma and Mallory?

== Opinions on new news design? ==

Hey everyone...the plain, lame news-design always bothered me, so I designed a new one today. Could you all tell me what you think of it, what might have to be improved, and, most importantly, if it negatively affects your loading times? Thanks.<br>
Known problems:
*Light initials are sometimes hard to read
*Faction-/statusless videos have an extra line (easy fix, just have to discuss something with Z first)
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:23, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

: I love the concept, but ... the background colors - are they in relation to who's blogging? I can't say I'm a big fan of the yellow, but these are very minor things - I think the idea is terrific!! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 14:02, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::Thanks :)
:::'''Yellow:''' Newest vid.
:::'''Lighter grey:''' Even episode numbers.
:::'''Darker grey:''' Odd episode numbers.
:::'''Dark purple-ish grey:''' Videos with no "real" number, i.e. those containing letters.
::Usually, this'd lead to the first one being yellow, and the other three having alternating row colors - it just looks weird right now because Nikki posted, and she has the NaN color. Check out [[Portal:KateModern]] to see how it looks without non-canon vlogs in the list.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:15, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

::I won't deny that I prefer the older version better (hey, it was what I was used to), but ''it is'' growing on me. :D Good job, Renegade, though I too must ask we pick a different color than yellow. That, and can we still post non-video updates like we have in the past? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:18, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
:::lol...that reminds me of something I read just a few hours ago...
:::{{quote|[http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/10/09/30-usability-issues-to-be-aware-of/ Smashing Magazine]|'''Baby-Duck-Syndrome'''<br>Baby Duck Syndrome describes the tendency for visitors to stick to the first design they learn and judge other designs by their similarity to that first design. The result is that users generally prefer systems similar to those they learned on and dislike unfamiliar systems. This results in the usability problems most re-designs have: users, get used with previous designs, feel uncomfortable with new site structure they have to find their way through.}}
:::hehe...but as long as it's growing on you :D
:::As for the events, that's a [[Template:Event|separate template that I didn't touch]] - I can think of no reason why it shouldn't work.
:::And about the yellow...meh. I like it, I think it works, but if I'm the only one, I guess we'll have to change it. Any suggestions? Blue, red and gray are used extensively on the portals, so they're probably not a good choice. Purple-ish is used by non-canon. It also shouldn't be similar to current character colors, and should provide enough contrast to stand out.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:34, 9 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: Heh, we've imprinted. I don't have a suggestion for a color yet, but will think about this all day today. -[[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 02:21, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

:::: I like the yellow. It screams "new video." If yellow is too much, then maybe a green color? Meh, I dunno. I just like green is all... -[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] ([[User talk:Free2liv4evr|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Free2liv4evr|contribs]]) 02:56, 12 October 2007 (PST)
::::: Okay, the yellow is growing on me. And now it will always remind me of a baby duck. :-) - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 05:07, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

== Brand New Images ==

So after much discussion over the last few months about the characters and their portal images, I decided to be a lameo and spend most of my Saturday night finding and cropping new pictures. I think they came out really good, and everyone I've asked so far has agreed, but I wanted to know what you guys thought before I made anything official :)

[[User:Zoey/sandbox]] Ta da!

I'm looking for images where they look really good.. then I'm trying to get equalish saturation levels within the pictures and I want all their heads to be about the same size and proportion within the shot. So what do you think? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:34, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:Well, you probably know I love those two pictures of Jonas and Daniel - and overall I think it looks great. The colors in the pictures of Sarah and Mallory are a good bit warmer than the others, but something about the way they're ordered makes it work well regardless! - [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 10:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I really like it. It was time for a change. -- [[User:Bree is awesome|Bree is awesome]] 12:28, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:I vote... Yes to Zoey's design! It looks great! --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:41, 21 October 2007 (EST)

::Yay, I'm so so glad you like it! I'm still messing around with Bree a bit, I want to make sure we get her the ABSOLUTE BEST IMAGE we possibly can. So if you could keep an eye on her and let me know which ones you like/don't like, that'd be great. Otherwise.. if there are no objections in a bit, I'll go ahead and make the changes :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

:::Oh, I really like it, Zoey. Brava. ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|<span style="color:darkgreen">JB<small>SHRYNE</small></span>]]''' 01:41, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

==Dates for videos==
I was under the impression that videos posted on the same day should have only the newest one list the date, but Renegade keeps reverting. Am I wrong on this one? I won't change it anymore until we reach a consensus on the issue. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:I say they all should list the date.
::<span style="background:DarkSlateGray">[[User:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">  '''•Silver•'''  </font>]] <small>[[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Talk</font>]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|<font color="white">Contribs</font>]]</small></span> 13:18, 23 December 2007 (CST)
::Same here, they should all list the date when listed --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 03:38, 2 January 2008 (CST)
:::Of course they should...not only is the other option optically inferior, it's also confusing - how is someone who's coming two days later going to know all vids were on the same day? Somebody might just have forgotten to add the date, just like we sometimes have no forum link.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:57, 2 January 2008 (CST)

== 'Breeniverse' ==

This name is on the main page a lot.. seems a bit awkward considering she's quite..well dead. Another term perhaps?
:It's the term the Creators used so far. We're open for suggestions, but "lonelyverse" kind of sounds depressive, and "danielverse" and "jonasverse" are just as personal. "Orderverse" sounds like the Order is the protagonist. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:79.73.187.201|79.73.187.201]] ([[User talk:79.73.187.201|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/79.73.187.201|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]])

== New portal image ==

So i went ahead and made one to show you guys, posting it here cause the main page is locked.

What do you think?

[[Image:PORTALIMAGEs3sm.jpg]]

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:The main page will likely be redesigned right after the lg15 portal, as such it is not yet foreseeable whether your new image will be applicable.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 13:57, 27 January 2008 (CST)

::While Renegade has a point (they may release new production pictures with Jennie & Gina, who knows?), that's a pretty awesome image, Michiev! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 16:02, 27 January 2008 (CST)

== New portal title image. ==

I made an image so that we can make a new title image for the lonelygirl15 portal.

it would look like this:<br>
{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lonelygirl15_Portal_Title_2.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<Br><br>I'm a little rusty with photoshop, so the LG15 logo still has marks around it. I can also make headers for some other articles, too. (that is, if we decide to use them.) {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 8:58 PM}}
:I like it, but there are two problems with it: 1) I think Ren's trying to tweak out a new portal version for Zoey, which would make the header silly. 2) The new promo images hint that the LG15 font may change ''again'', so we should probably wait for that, as well. (Also, just out of curiosity, where'd you get the font sample from? It's extremely pixelated.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:08, 3 February 2008 (CST)
::Flickr. It wasn't pixelated though. I just resized it and because I'm not very good with making things transparent, I reached for the magic wand. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:43 PM}}
::Oh, I made a new version that's less... bad (just because it was bugging me.)<br><Br>
::Here:<br>
::{{header|1=<span style="position: relative; top: 10px;">[[Image:Lg15portaltitle.png]]</span>|off=yes}}<br><br>
::an improvement, but we won't use it anyways so this is kind of pointless... baha. {{User:-R-/SignatureS|Feb. 03, '08 - 9:54 PM}}

== GINA ==

Put up sideline pitcure of Gina

RESPOND!
RESPOND
RESPOND
RESPOND
:You know, impatience will get you nowhere. She's not exactly a main character yet. Heck, Emma can't even be written off as a main character. Patience, young padawan, patience. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)

#1 Shiori scares me. scares me BAD. #2 THANKYOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

== Emma's Actress: Fired? Quit? Emma never appearing again? WE NEED NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RESPOND ==

Please Respond!

== YouWish8=AUNTALEX'S ACCOUNT? ==

New Response Video Made. CLAIMS: Shadows are people on a lot of drugs that make sure they never sleep, and
(these drugs) kill them when they are thirty. Who Posted It and aparently started the video with her face then montage/redub?
Why, none other than Jonas's Aunt, Alex. Should it be a featured video? Respond Here:
:Fan-made videos do not get featured on the Portal page - typically they get listed on the right side of the main page. The Portal page is to feature official videos and official important news, and that's about it. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 23:42, 2 March 2008 (CST)

==JONAS'S PICTURE ON THE FRONT PAGE==

:Why is his photo darkened still? before I thought it was darkened to portray his mood at the time..when he was drinking and depressed. But why is it still darkened now? I think that should be changed!!
::It's not dark? It looks the same as everyone else's--[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:36, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Was this right? RE: Crossover vids ==

I posted the video infor under the KM template because it was first posted on Bebo, then updated both portals with the necessary information, except changed Steve to Jonas where needed. I'm sure there's no set decision on what to do, but I felt it should be discussed somewhere. --[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 07:35, 21 April 2008 (CDT)

== Portal Images ==

I made a few portal images for both LG15 and KM- although they're maybe not very good. Hopefully at least they'll motivate someone else to do better. :)<br>
[[Image:Lgportal.jpg]]<br><br>
[[Image:Kmportal.jpg]]

== Steve on LG15? ==
should we add his pic to the LG15 page considering he's coming to the U.S?
:No more than we should have added Jonas to the KM portal because he was in the UK for a week. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== REMOVING SARAH? ==
Since Sarah has left TAAG, possibly temporarily, mabye we should remove her from the main character list and put her with the recurring characters?
Please Reply and tell me What you thnk. -Nigell
:I agree actually, but I'd give it until Monday. If she doesn't show up in Monday's video (or given an indication that she will be seen again soon) I support the move --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:35, 2 May 2008 (EST)
::I'd give it a little more time than that. Firstly, they've been mentioning Sarah almost CONSTANTLY lately, and secondly she's only been gone for a month. Give it another week, at the very least. Unlike when Tariq left KM, there was (and still is) no indication that she's left on a jet plane and plans to be gone for the better part of forever. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 16:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)
::: I definitely think that we should wait longer, Sarah's been a main character for well over a year and she's been gone for only a month, if that. Besides, with all these threats and whatnot I foresee Carl trying to kill her to become an Elder and her fleeing back to TAAG. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 17:44, 2 May 2008 (CDT)

== Redesign ==

So wait, let me get this straight...my perfectly fine, cross-browser compatible design with one girl opposing the icons was violently reverted, but you went live with ''this''?
[[Image:Redesign failure season3.png|300px]]

Way to go, redesign heros. *rolleyes* Hope you're happy with your new and improved character row.
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:58, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Oh, snap! Um, probably should have made sure to check browser compatibility, but I just assumed it was okay due to the lack of objections. I really hate to do this, but I imagine we have a lot of IE users, so I will revert the redesign again until we can get this resolved. Sigh.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:07, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::The problem doesn't appear in 7.0. I'm going to have to revert my browser edition just to see what the fuck happened. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 21:02, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:::As far as I can tell, this is 100% fixed now. (It works for certain in Safari, Firefox, and IE 6.0. 7.0 should work, since 6.0 does.) Should be good to go, Jon. (Oh, I made the main code change in the page code, so the includes should be good as-is.) - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 22:01, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

::::Awesome, thanks so much, Shi. I'll go ahead and re-add it. *crosses fingers*--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:12, 11 May 2008 (CDT)

:Well, well, it's about time we got this going..looks great everyone. [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 14:14, 12 May 2008 (CDT)

Why is there no picture of Emma for main characters? {{unsigned|70.158.76.179}}
:She's not a main character. If she comes back and stays for a while, she'll be put back. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 11:31, 15 May 2008 (CDT)
I suppose I understand that... but then it brings the point of Bree not being a TRUE main character anymore. Technically, she is...although, she's not at all anymore if you are going by the definition aforementioned above. Same goes for Kate on KM.

==Main Character Merit==
Basically, I'd like to propose a guideline for when characters get their pictures in gray on the bar if they leave (i.e. Bree, Kate). What I propose is this: Their picture be added in gray on the main page if they've been killed off and if they:
:A) are the namesake of the series (i.e. Bree is lonelygirl15 and KateModern is named for Kate)
:B) The character has had 100 appearances in the series, not counting recap videos (as that stands the only characters that have achieved this are LG: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah, and KM: Charlie (though as KM is ending soon, I suppose it would remain irrelevant).
I designed this so if, heaven forbid, Daniel gets shot by a watcher or Jonas sufficates to death underneath a pile of fangirls, they will be recognized for the large role they have had on the series. Thoughts? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 19 May 2008 (EST)
:I don't know if I agree. Firstly, grayed boxes signify dead people. That's just the way it goes. As to the B suggestion, though, things could get kind of crazy if DB ''and'' Jonas die and Gina and Jennie are left to fight the Order alone. We'd have three permanent additions to the character list, as well as however many really are currently main characters. Mind, this is just personal preference, but if Bree or Kate weren't the namesakes of either series, I'd probably be fighting to have them be removed. I love DB, but if he dies and isn't constantly referenced, he really shouldn't be on the main page. - [[User:Shiori|Shiori]] 18:36, 19 May 2008 (CDT)

== Order of Characters ==

Earlier I reverted someone putting Sarah in front of Jennie because they didn't discuss or get anyone else's opinion on it, but I want to start a discussion on this. Why is Jennie before Sarah? And Gina is even before Jonas? I propose that Characters should be put in order of how long they have been there except of course Bree at the end in black and white. What does everyone else think? [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 22:26, 2 June 2008 (CDT)
:I really like the "normal" way of ordering the characters, but with these new icons I got, they looked really bad in that order, so I went with this, as it seemed the most aesthetically pleasing. I think for now it's the way to go, at least in my mind... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 13:28, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
Er, we need a B&W picture to go next to Bree now for Gina... ;_; - [[User:67.142.130.49|67.142.130.49]] 21:23, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

== Gina on the character row ==

What are peoples' thoughts about keeping Gina on the character row? Should she get a black and white photo like Bree? Should we wait for official confirmation of her death before removing her? Other questions? Answers? :)--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:17, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
:Personally, I don't really think it makes sense to have a B/W picture of Gina on the front page. If we included greyed out pictures for all former characters (I mean... Gemma died... so it's not like Gina's the only dead main character) the row would be huge! It makes sense to me to leave her up for a bit while they figure out what's going on with her death, but I think long-term, the only BW picture should be Bree, who is the show's namesake and all... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:58, 8 June 2008 (CDT)
::Keep on the character row as a B&W until such a time as the TAAG inevitably stops actively mourning her... maybe a little longer if that time is too short, who knows. Gemma wasn't really MAIN character material like Gina was, and no other main characters have died besides Bree and Kate before. - [[User:67.142.130.42|67.142.130.42]] 03:04, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::I agree with Zoey. Keep her up with a color picture until her death is 100% officially confirmed. I don't really like the idea of having b/w pictures for every dead character. Bree makes sense, as she is the title character, but we don't want a lot of clutter. But we definately shouldn't jump the gun on taking her off the row. You never know what could happen. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:40, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::Maybe keep the picture in color but replace her eyes with xs. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 10:45, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::Or just put a giant red bullseye on her forehead. LOL. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 10:47, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:[[No More Fear]] confirmed it. Gina is dead. I took her off the character row, as that seems to be the consensus. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:11, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I agree with the fact that the latest video has confirmed it. Gina was a main character - Gemma wasn't. She was apart of TAAG - Gemma wasn't. I think that anyone that was on the character's row to begin with should be greyed out when deceased. As far as I know, Gemma was never on the character row. She was never really that important. Gina, however, became apart of the LG15 family and it's only fair to include her. In case the final decision is made to keep her greyed, here's the image - I put it up but then took it down after the message was sent to me: 0485-Gina1-cropped-icon-grey.jpg - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::Just for the record, Gemma was absolutely on the character row when she was still on the show (which wasn't really a character row so much as just character boxes back then, but whatever). Also, she couldn't have been a part of TAAG, as the term didn't even exist back then. So... yeah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:33, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::No need to get snippy. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you have to be rude to me. Gina was apart of a big plot twist (Bree had a sister) and was a VERY important part of the story. Gemma... not so much. So... yeah... - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::Sorry, I did not intend for my post to be rude and I apologize if it came off that way. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:58, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:I think putting former characters on the character row is a horrible idea. You start to get into the whole "who's important enough, who isn't" question and you get unsightly clutter on what is a first impression of the Wiki to many newbies. Bree needs to be on the row in some form, as she is the title character, but other, less important characters like Gina and Gemma (who WAS definitely row worthy when she was a regular; she was just as important to the story then as Gina is today) don't need to be immediately accessed. That's what the larger "[[Lonelygirl15 characters]]" page is for. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 14:37, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree...but look what Gina has been reduced to. She was part of TAAG, and now she has a box that has less text than "[[Drew Avery]]" on the [[Lonelygirl15 characters]] page. That's not fair to Crystal at all.
:::That is beyond true! Crystal did such a good job acting and had such a well liked character - SOME recognition is deserved even if her character is deceased. I just don't like how this is turning into a "I'm high and mighty so my point is more valid" debate rather than a logical one. - [[User:Foreigncandle|Kaella]]
::::I agree that some recognition is needed (the memorial page is a great start), but I don't think it's appropriate to have the recognition on the character row. BTW, I don't see anybody acting "high and mighty". It's been a pretty healthy, calm debate so far. The level of discourse on LGPedia should be a model for other wikis. It seems everyone here treats each other with respect. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 09:25, 10 June 2008 (CDT)

::I propose that we add a "memorial" page, and make it featured content or something. I know it's not very professional in terms of a wiki...but we have pages on "[[orange]]" and how it is such an evil color, so I'm not too worried about professionalism. The page could feature dead characters like Gina and Virgil and have pictures and blurbs about them. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 15:53, 9 June 2008 (EST)
:::Something along those lines wouldn't be a bad idea at all. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 15:24, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
::::We could call it [[In Loving Memory]]! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:05, 9 June 2008 (CDT)
:::::That is a fabulous idea! [[User:Nancypants|Nancypants]] 18:29, 9 June 2008 (CDT)

she should be on character row as bree was kept. sure she's not the main main character, but definitely a huge part of the plot from which most of the plot wouldn't be where it is if it wasnt' for her story... just gray out her pic. simple.

==Video Screencap Redirects==
Any thoughts on possibly redirecting the images that appear next to the four new videos to the video's article? It just seems like it would be simpler to navigate for new people. I've always thought that EVERY image should be redirected to the video it came from, but I suppose that would be tougher to navigate for editors. Anyways, if the character images/buttons send you to the character pages, the video images should act as buttons as well. Keep it consistant, you know? It could just become something that you do when you add a new image to a video, make the image redirect to the video's article. Doesn't seem to be a huge addition to the "adding new video" ritual. Any ideas/shoot downs/suggestions? [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 22:46, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
:I really dislike this idea. It is such a pain to have to avoid redirects when wanting to view a larger image, and oftentimes, videos are used for more than one purpose, and redirecting them could confused viewers who are viewing the image from a different context. I vote no on this one, personally. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 22:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
::You're right. I didn't consider the confusion of clicking on that image when it's used in another article or something. Dumb idea. [[User:Malan70|Malan70]] 18:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::Not "dumb," it's a totally valid idea! I just don't really think it works for right now. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:36, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

==Character Row Post Aug 1==
If you haven't already checked it out, I'd like to first point your attention to the newly updated [[Portal:KateModern|KateModern Portal]]. Basically, it's been slightly revamped to overview the entire show for new viewers, instead of to cover active content like the LG15 portal currently is. Once lonelygirl15 ends on Aug 1st, we'll update its portal to use the same format. Part of that is, of course, the character row. Instead of featuring the current main characters, like we have now, the portal will need to feature the main characters throughout time. Since there are a lot of them, and we'll need to cut down, I wanted to open the discussion to who exactly we'll want to include. I know it's a bit early, but since I figure there may be a fair amount of debate on this topic, I wanted to start it early. Anyways, I've typed through my entire logic on this, so people can see where I'm coming from.

The entire list of main characters throughout time: Bree, Daniel, Gemma, Jonas, OpAphid, Tachyon, Alex, Sarah, Taylor, Spencer, Emma, Mallory, Jennie, Gina.

The number of videos each of these characters has been in as of 7/4/08 are...

*Bree - 153
*Daniel - 273
*Gemma - 21
*Jonas - 242
*OpAphid - 33
*Tachyon - 12
*Alex - 15
*Sarah - 134
*Taylor - 47
*Spencer - 24
*Emma - 62
*Mallory - 22
*Jennie - 76
*Gina - 61

Based on this information (BDJS each having three digits worth of videos), I personally think that the characters who should be included on the character row once the show ends are: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, and Sarah. I'd very much like to know everyones thoughts on the matter, so please comment! Thanks! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:25, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
:EDIT: Based on the fact that six characters is the most aesthetically pleasing on the character row, I'm going to go ahead and say we add the next two as well and make it: Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Emma, and Jennie. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:16, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

::Yikes. I'd like to start off by saying that I love the new KM portal, and I liked the fact that Kate was back in full color.

::Now, I have a question. How are you defining main characters? I, for one, would have considered Dr. Hart a more "important" character than, say, Alex. If someone asked me to list the main characters throughout the series without looking at the number of episodes they were in, I would say, Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Taylor, Sarah, Emma, Jennie, and Gina. I honestly don't think we can leave Gina off at all. She was supposed to be the focus of the third season...at least that's what we were led to believe. As for Taylor...she was important for a good part of the first season. If one were to just watch the first season, I guarantee that Taylor would be listed as a main character. Can someone do a quick mock-up of what the page would look like with 8 pictures on the character row? (The entire portal page, not just the row, if that's not too much of a trouble.) --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 22:42, 5 July 2008 (EST)
:::EDIT: Actually, I realized that when I looked at the KM portal, Tariq and Lauren were still in the character row, and I liked the feel of having eight characters. In my opinion, eight is the most aesthetically pleasing, especially when the portal will now be meant to show the series over the years. It makes sense for there to be a lot of main characters when we're talking about a series with multiple seasons. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 17:46, 6 July 2008 (EST)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Eight-Characters.png|right|400px]]
::::The main issue with eight characters is that it overlaps on 1024x768, which is the resolution a lot of people use. To me, this just looks tacky. If there was a way to make this look better on smaller resolutions, I think having eight characters is a viable option.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:44, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::Fair enough, I hadn't considered resolution. I'm just brainstorming here, but what about extending the image behind the character row vertically and having a 4x2 character row as opposed to a 6x1? I can't make a realistic mock-up, but textually:

::::::::Bree Daniel Jonas Sarah <br>
::::::::Taylor Emma Jennie Gina

:::::Eh, I dunno if that would look nice at all, actually. Just a thought. --[[User:Phisho|Phisho]] 20:03, 6 July 2008 (EST)

::::::I tried two rows [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Portal:KateModern/New/Character_Row&oldid=134968 here], but I can't figure out exactly how to extend the image to make it fit [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. But even then, I think it would take up too much space vertically and you'd lose the overall look of the portal. I wonder if we could make the images smaller to make them fit? Hmm, but they might be too small after that. I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:34, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:::::::Okay, there are smaller images [[Portal:KateModern/New|here]]. The image behind would have to be changed to work with the new character image sizes, but this gives a good idea at least. Do people think it's too small? Other suggestions?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:43, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

[[Image:KM-Portal-Small-Character-Images.png|right|400px]]
::::::::This is what it looks like on 1024x768, for those interested.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:58, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

:I don't care for the smaller images at all. It looks weird height-wise.
:I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia. The object here is not to cover who the main characters in a season were, but who were the main characters throughout the entire show, which is why I went with video count, as it is the most objective way for us to determine who was most active throughout time. Even though Taylor was unquestionably a main character in season one, she was not as heavily featured throughout the show as a whole as the other six characters on the row, and that's where and why I think we should draw the line. The same goes for Gina and season 3. And like I said, no matter who ends up on the row, no one will be forgotten or ignored in the grand scheme of things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:08, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

::{{quote|Zoey 21:08, 6 July 2008|I think it's important that we don't forget that no matter who ends up on the character row, every single character is still featured on the heavily-advertised characters page, and no matter which characters end up on the row, no one will be forgotten or not included on the 'pedia.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 18:46, 31 March 2008|The whole point of putting the icons on the front page like that is to give people an easy way to familiarize themselves with the characters. People won't just automatically click the Characters link. That's like saying we only need to put the stills from each new video, because people will click on them knowing they can get to the video transcript pages based on the fact that the hand icon is there... and if not, they'll be able to click the "List of Videos" link on the sidebar, which takes them to the list of videos anyways, so what's the point of listing the videos on the portal page anyways? The point is ease of access, which is why the character icons are there in the first place as well.}}

::{{quote|Zoey 20:50, 31 March 2008|And I completely disagree that a link to Daniel's page on Characters is the same as the link to Daniel's page on the front page.}}

::...gotta love how these things turn out.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:45, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

::::Yeah, I can see your intended point ("zing!!!!?") and the fallacy of it simultaneously. As long as the Homeless Watcher goes into the character row I am good. Not everyone can fit on the character row, so the characters page link (which ''is'' prominent, yet will ''not'' be automatically clicked by all) will have to suffice for the rest. Apples aren't oranges, but the show is ending and some final organization will need to be done. Oh, and I would include Gina in the character row if possible. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 14:33, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
:::::I'm a fan of the eight character thing myself. I just checked the KateModern portal and noticed that Julia, Lauren, and Tariq were all missing. I'm not as fan of this, because to me, these three were really vital to the show for a very long time! Any way, my personal thoughts on who should be up is Bree, Daniel, Jonas, Sarah, Taylor, Emma, Jennie, Gina. Even though I'm a big fan of Spencer, I feel like these eight had the biggest parts of all the plots. Much more than Alex, Sonia, or Carl. And while Dr. Hart did change the face of LG15, he was still only part of the show for a very, very brief time. Just my views! --[[User:iampenguin|LimePenguin]] 19:55, 7 July 2008

Learn how to TELEPORT!

2008-06-13T16:03:18Z

69.62.231.88: /* Notes */

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| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = JAC8
| image = Jack008.JPG
| caption = Bad burrito decisions...
| blogger = Jack
| date = 20080114
| url = {{youtube|JxYWX5ppKjE}}
| length = 2:07
| location = Jack's bedroom
| description = Teleporting is getting pretty easy - well, so far...
| cast = {{VidChar|Jack|Eddie Asher}}
| tags = {{tags|learn|how|to|teleport}}

| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| serprod = Amanda Goodfried
| supprod = Mary Feuer
| producers = Gregg Moscot
| directors = Miles Beckett
| story = Mary Feuer, Mesh Flinders, and Jan Libby
| vidplay =
| camera = Miles Beckett
| editor = Kevin Schlanser

| Previous = The Stalker is Right Outside!
| Next = You Were Right
| PreviousC = Watch Me Balance
| NextC = Long Drive Home
}}
'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is Jack's eighth video.

==Transcript==
(''Jack shuffles a deck of cards''.)

'''Jack:''' My brother got arrested again. This time my dad couldn't bail him out so... He's in there, and it doesn't look good. He stole a car. His hearing's in a week or so. I wanna get him out, but... I mean, I get better at teleporting everyday, and now I can pretty much jump to any place I've ever seen. I've never been inside the jail, and... I-I think I could get out if I could just get into his cell. I'm not going to do that, though. I mean, there don't seem to be any- any rules to this, so I guess I'm just going to have to make up my own. I'm not using it to break the law. My brother's just going to have to... I dunno... get a good lawyer.

You guys on [[whatweird.com|whatweird]] have been doing a lot of work, so thanks! One of you even found out how teleporting can be harmful. I had no idea. I mean, I guess depending on how clean the teleport is it could actually hurt you? That's pretty scary stuff. Like, for me, there's definitely been good ones and bad ones but... I dunno, if I'm, like, just goofing off then it's pretty easy. But, like, if I'm in some sort of, like, danger, it's really hard. The other day I was on the subway tracks, and I was waiting for a train to come, and I waited 'til the ''last minute'' to teleport. And by the time I reached the platform, I was ''so'' exhausted; I collapsed.

Oh yeah. Uh, that [[The Stalker is Right Outside!|guy]] stopped following me. I'm not really sure what it means, but it's gotta be a good thing right?

==Notes==
*Jack was not a confirmed character when he posted this video. Instead of appearing in the list of official videos on the lonelygirl15.com website, this video was posted as a response to Taylor's [[Watch Me Balance]]

Me...Jack

2008-06-11T19:23:05Z

69.62.231.88: /* Notes */

{{Blog
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = JAC1
| image = Wyj001-weirdifiwashappy.jpg
| caption = Happy = Weird.
| blogger = Jack
| date = 20071119
| url = {{youtube|_TXWKRiqEtI}}
| length = 2:11
| location = Jack's bedroom
| description = My first video blog.
| tags = {{tags|me|jack|scotland|depressed|arrested|awake|pills}}
| cast = {{VidChar|Jack|Eddie Asher}}

| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| supprod = Mary Feuer
| producers = Gregg Moscot
| directors = Miles Beckett
| story = Mary Feuer, Mesh Flinders, and Jan Libby
| vidplay =
| camera = Miles Beckett
| editor = Kevin Schlanser

| Next = A Day in the Life of Jack
| PreviousC = Groping (Alone) in the Dark
| NextC = Would you pick me up?
}}
'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is Jack's first video.

==Transcript==
'''Jack:''' (''under covers'') Hey everybody. How’s it going? I’m Jack. I can’t sleep, so... I thought I’d come on here and talk, or something, just like everybody else does. My brother got arrested today, so... it’s not the best day of my life. But, my dad came down, which was cool, so... Guess that was the silver lining to tha- to that cloud.

(''Comes out under the covers''.) My mom has me seeing this therapist at school, Mr. Davidson. Today he asked me if I was depressed. I was like, “Well I’m not happy. I don’t think I ''should'' be happy. I mean, my brother gets kicked out of school and... and now he gets arrested. I never see my dad at all. Wouldn’t it be kinda weird if I was happy?”

So... (''Picks up a bottle of pills''.) He gave me these pills to take. (''shakes the pills''.) Whatever.

So... There’s a map in my room. Um, it’s a map of the world. (''The camera shows a map of the United States''.)

I don’t really have anything else to talk about. I just don’t want to go to sleep.

I heard about a job I might wanna do someday. It just kinda came to me today, when I was in Social Studies. We were talking about Scotland for some reason. And the teacher told us that in Glasgow, the capital, every square inch of the city is under surveillance. Weird. I guess they have cameras on every corner and alley and when there’s a crime committed, the police can go back and watch it on camera. I was thinking, it would be really cool to be one of those people who just... watches, and... like calls when somebody gets mugged or something. Actually they wouldn’t even have to pay me to do that job, I’d do it for free. That’s how cool I think it would be. If anyone from Scotland is watching... (''Taps the camera''.) I’d do that job for free. That’s how cool I think it would be.

Alright... I’m tired now.

==Notes==
*Jack was not a confirmed character when he posted this video. Instead of appearing in the list of official videos on the lonelygirl15.com website, this video was posted as a response to Jonas's [[Would you pick me up?]].
* Despite what Jack's teacher says, Glasgow is not the capital of Scotland. Edinburgh is. Glasgow is just the largest city.
* Despite what Jack and some nationalists may believe, the United States is not the world. The map in Jack's room is only one of the US.
*Jacks dream job may be a reference to a [[Watcher]].

Pi

2008-06-11T04:36:08Z

69.62.231.88:

{{Blog
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 315
| image = LGpiJonas.JPG
| caption = Maybe I am going physco.
| blogger = Daniel
| date = 20071011
| url = {{lg15|388}}
| forumid = 14450
| length = 0:42
| description = I took this footage of Jonas and wanted to share it with you. I don't think he'll be mad, but I'm worried about his sanity. Do you guys think there's something there?
| faction = The Resistance
| status = Public Video
| location = [[The rented house]]
| tags = {{tags|lonelygirl15|lg15|bree|danielbeast|daniel|jonastko|jonas|soccerstar4ever}}



| execprod = Miles Beckett and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mary Feuer
| headwriter = Miles Beckett
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, Jan Libby, and Mary Feuer
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| pm = Greg Goodfried
| pa =
| pr =
| ipa =
| animation =
| prodserv =
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs

| song =
| cast = {{VidChar|Daniel}}
{{VidChar|Jonas}}

| Previous = Emma's Safe
| Next = Behind The Bushes

| PreviousB = Tailgating
| NextB =
| PreviousC =
| NextC =
}}
==Transcript==
'''Daniel:''' I filmed this earlier. (''footage shows of Jonas anxiously watching something on his laptop, writing on a whiteboard, looking through papers'') Jonas has been, well, obsessed. He's been watching [[Emma's Safe|Emma's video]] over and over. He swears that there's some kind of code in it, but I think he's crazy personally. I just, I mean, we've all seen the video - [[Claire]]'s been censoring them like the FCC on Howard Stern. It's just...He's just punishing himself for losing [[Emma]]. We tried telling him for weeks not to trust LaResizto but he did anyways. Now honestly, I think that he's just - it's like he's trying to redeem himself. Unfortunately there's just nothing. I don't know... you've seen the videos. There's no code. There's nothing there. Right?

==Notes==
*The title is most likely a reference to the [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138704/ independent film ''Pi''], in which a man loses his sanity while trying to find a pattern or code in the stock market.
*Alternatively, the {{wikipedia|Pi|number Pi}} starts with 3.14 - the title might be a reference to the previous vid, which was #314, or, if the Creators count differently, they might see this video as #314.
*Shiori on the forums put together this image of Jonas's whiteboard: [[Image:Jonas-whiteboard.jpg]]
**The asterisks (except around "special") are effective question marks, in that I don't know what's there.
**The "By" has something after it, but it was later erased so there's no telling what it is.
**I'm not positive on the "mazo" bit, but I'm SURE there's a z in there, and the "ma-o" looked right.
* This video was probably created to egg on dubious rumors of a code in the video.
* It may also be made to rebut such rumors

Please Help

2008-06-11T03:53:19Z

69.62.231.88:

{{Blog
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 307
| image = 0307_MalloryAsks4Help.jpg
| caption = This is considered a "group" project. Technically, it's not cheating.
| blogger = Mallory
| date = 20071003
| url = {{lg15|378}}
| forumid = 14337
| length = 1:13
| description = As I'm sure you can all imagine, Daniel's ninja film didn't go over so well with his professor. We need your help to make a better version by Friday morning. Pretty please. :)
| status = Public Video
| location = [[The rented house]]
| tags =
{{tags|lg15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|bree|emma|train|serum|trait positive|negative}}



| execprod = Miles Beckett and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mary Feuer
| story = Mary Feuer, Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, Marcello Daciano, and Jan Libby
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs

| song =
| cast = {{VidChar|Mallory}}
{{VidChar|Sarah}}

| Previous = That Arrogant Jerk!
| Next = Home Sweet Home?

| PreviousB = Secrets Revealed
| NextB = Ninja Video by ElizKM86
| PreviousC =
| NextC =
}}
==Transcript==
(''The camera moves towards Sarah's room. At the doorway, we can see that Sarah is laughing at something on her laptop.'')

'''Mallory:''' So, are you still watching it?

'''Daniel as Ben on Laptop:''' Ah! Ninjas?

'''Mallory as Cheerleader on Laptop:''' Ninjas??

(''Sarah continues laughing.'')

'''Mallory:''' Um, I guess that's a yes.

(''The camera moves to the next room as Sarah continues laughing.'')

'''Mallory:''' [[Mr. Banks]] is ready to fail him on the spot. And since Daniel wasn't there, I had to beg him not to. He said that Daniel needs to commit to film-making, or just quit wasting his time. I guess I can kinda see where he's coming from. But, I convinced Mr. Banks to give Daniel a second chance. So, he's going to let him re-edit his film--but he only has until Friday. Look, Daniel and Jonas are out playing spies. So, there's no way they're going to be back in time to re-edit this film. Luckily, this is considered a "group" project. So...I was hoping, that maybe you guys can help? I'm going to post the original video on lonelygirl15.com, and you guys can create your own re-edits of Daniel's film. I'll post all the guide lines for the assignment in the forum. And Sarah and I will pick out the best video to turn in to Mr. Banks on Friday. Also, we'll be posting the winning video on the lonelygirl15 account. I just wanna say thanks in advance for helping us out. Daniel and I really appreciate it.

==Notes==
*This video confirms that Jonas has stopped sulking, and that Daniel and Jonas have picked up the search for Emma.
*It appears that Sarah and Mallory are on better terms than the previous episodes.
*The forum post with the link to the original footage is [http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=14336 here].
* This video was uploaded to the soccerstar4ever YouTube account.
*A large number of responses/remixes has been made to this video, many of them embedded on [http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2007_09_30_archive.html LG15 Today].
**The contest winner was [[Ninja Video by ElizKM86]].
**According to the description of [[Ninja Video by ElizKM86]], a total of 43 entries was submitted.

That Arrogant Jerk!

2008-06-11T03:50:27Z

69.62.231.88:

{{Blog
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 306
| image = 0306_SarahAngry.jpg
| caption = Mhm, I'm thrilled.
| blogger = Sarah
| date = 20071003
| url = {{lg15|377}}
| forumid = 14327
| length = 1:18
| description = Jonas didn't even tell us what happened... we had to find out by watching the video.
| faction = The Resistance
| status = Public Video
| location = [[The rented house]]
| tags = {{tags|lg15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|sarah|emma|watcher|order}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Marcello Daciano
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mary Feuer
| story = Mary Feuer, Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, Marcello Daciano, and Jan Libby
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| music supervisor = Seth Jacobs
| song =
| cast = {{VidChar|Sarah}}

| Previous = He's Not Talking
| Next = Please Help

| PreviousB = No More Lies
| NextB = Carving Pumpkins
| PreviousC =
| NextC =
}}
==Transcript==

'''Sarah:''' So, [[Jonas]] got back and...no [[Emma]]. That's right, my friends. I am so... (''sighs'') I am so angry right now because...I can't even express to you how many times we tried to tell him that this was a bad idea. We tried telling him not to go, we tried to tell him, you know-that we didn't even know who this [[Claire]] person was. She could be bad. Everything about it was wrong. And he still went. And he just served Emma up on a platter. And now she's gone! And we have ''no'' idea where she is. Mhm, I'm thrilled. And then on top of it, he's just so arrogant and self-centered. What makes him think he had the right to do this? You know, we care about Emma too. And it's-it's...''UGH''! I don't want the same thing to happen to her that happened with [[Bree]]. He just..Mm...He just ''[[Four-letter words|fucked]]'' it up. I'm also really angry about...that video that he posted. You know, when he came back, he didn't say a ''thing'' about that. Not about a [[Watcher]], not about an [[Elder]], not about anything. How ''dare'' he. We're suppose to be doing this together, we're suppose to be fighting this thing together. It just makes me wonder what else he's hiding.

==Notes==
* Sarah's tone in this video is a sharp contrast to [[He's Not Talking]] in which Daniel is more empathetic. This can either be attributed to Sarah's stronger friendship with Emma, or her personal values of being an older sibling.

Creature, Inc

2008-05-01T04:39:08Z

69.62.183.10: /* Character accounts */

{{Show
|name = Creature, Inc,
|image = CreatureInc.jpg

|bgcolor =
|headercolor = #FF6600
|headerfont = #fff
|fontcolor =
|bordercolor = #FF6600
}}
Creature, INC is an Alternate Reality Interactive [[Web Series]] that centers around a world where our government has been essentially 'sold' to the most powerful and corrupt corporations of our time. Economic conditions resulted in a cataclysmic downward spiral of America to the point where corporate America was able to seize control of a government that had decayed close to the point of bankruptcy. Our civil rights are being slowly removed from us, our laws have become flexible to the will of those in power, and corporate sponsored mind control is on the verge of being instituted forcefully.

Creature, INC takes place within [[The Coalition]] extended region of the [[Red Territory]]. Viewers and players of the series are encouraged to create characters of their own, and to participate in the series itself. Not only does their help support the Alternate Reality aspect of this series, it may in fact be crucial to the survival of the world itself.

The hour of revolution is at hand.

Which side will you choose?

==Summary==
The first video in the web series is '''"War Cry"''' which comes from Infrastruck. The video contains a rather cryptic poem with the general theme "''I keep dreaming about my past''". In this video we also see the introduction of the first ARG clue.

In "'''Eve of Destruction"''' Infrastruck talks about having memories that are not his own. His old friend genocideinmymind asked for his help and since then his brain has been "fryi'''ng". One of his friends in Kentucky, Jason, has committed suicide but Infrastruck thinks he killed him and burried him in the woods. Infrastruck decides to fly back for the funeral and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhume exhume] the grave.

'''In "Misfortunato"''' we see Infrastruck covered in mud. He appears to have returned from digging in the woods but has no recollection of the events that passed. He does however have a "disk" which contained video that Jason left for him.

'''"Jasons Suicide Note"''' contains video of the suicide note that was found in the suicide video by community members Heyaja, [[Jenni Powell]], and CherShayToute.

'''"Lucidity Toxicity"''' is the first video in the web series from the [[Greg Gallows]] YouTube account. Greg appears to be a "replicate" of the Infrastruck, or perhaps just suffering from a''' mental condition. Greg has been talking to [[FacilityJ]] members who tell him that he has been asleep and is just now wakening.

'''"A Specter is Haunting"''' GenoicideInMyMind introduces herself and shows sympathy towards Infra's mental problems as of late.

'''"Final Warning"''' is the first video from the Creature, Inc [[YouTube]] account. The video carried the description "Wars teach us not to love our enemies, but to hate our allies" and appears to contain surveillance video of Infrastruck. This suggests that Creature, Inc is monitoring Infrastruck's behavior for some reason.

'''"My Grief Observed"''' JennersRevenge, a close ally from Infra's past, makes her first appearance, warning Creature INC that she will pay back any harm that they cause to Infra.

'''"Spherical Harmonics"''' Greg acknowledges that he has seen Creature INC's video but cannot find the cameras in his home. He responds to the Facility J character Jay Nineteen, JennersRevenge, and GenocideInMyMind. He falls unconscious on his floor and awakes to see his former friend Jason's roomate, Kim, asking if he is ok.

'''"We Are Watching"''' WatchingOverCInc lets Greg know that the choice of whom to trust is still his.

'''"Duality"''' JennersRevenge talks about her life outside of "zombieville".

'''"I Made a Big Mistake"''' [[Greg Gallows]] is with Kim who found him knocked out. He recaps recent events to Kim, and she demands to see the videos that have brainwashed Greg and Jason. After watching the videos she goes insane, attacks Greg, and flees her house.

'''"Suggestions for Survival"''' ManufacturedDestiny warns Greg to put his dreams behind him and "Leave them to us."

'''"Gregory's Mess"''' CreatureINC shows security camera footage of Kim killing one of his agents as he attempts to apprehend her. James Creature states in the video that Kim stole the agents PDA and that they will track her by that and it is only a matter of time.

'''"When jokes go to far"''' ManufacturedDestiny suggests that Greg is merely delusional and warns others not to be sucked in.

'''"Please Help"''' Greg shows a video Kim sent to him, with a puzzle leading to her location.

'''"Fair Warnings"''' Watching over CInc send an update to C.INC warning him that there may be events he did not forsee.

'''"Infrastruck?"''' Tinny09 introduces his character into the story and requests a mission to assist and or monitor Infrastruck.

'''"Rescuing Kim"''' Greg rescues Kim thanks to the hard work of all the puzzle crackers.

'''"Awakened Memories?"''' Nix introduces himself and says that he will protect Greg and Kim until the end.

'''"Trust"''' ManufacturedDestiny tells us all that he used to have nightmares and memory problems similar to Gregs, but that Creature INC took those problems away from him. He suggests that Greg let Creature INC do the same for him.

'''"Instincts Maternal"''' JennersRevenge ponders on children, her desire to have them, and what she saw hiding behind Infra's eyes.

'''"Kim's First Vlog"''' Kim introduces herself to the online community.

'''"Observations"''' Creature INC tests out their new cameras that have been installed in Kim's home.

'''"After Dark"''' Nix explains that he has been having roccuring nightmares about a girl who he cannot save as well as about Kim and Greg.

'''"Survivalism"''' Greg Destroys I his hard drive that contains a copy of the mind altering videos, leaving only 4 copies in known existance.

'''"A Titanic Tank Shots"''' Misteeq introduces herself as a friend of Greg's and asks Jenni to come visit her so that she can help her get over her emotional issues.

'''"Metamorphasis"''' Jenners says that she is no longer helping Infra, and that she wants to go after the larger forces behind everything.

'''"Destruction"''' Greg destroys the copy of the mind controlling videos that is in his posession, leaving only 3 copies in known existence.

'''"Leaving On a Jet Plane"''' Jenners states that she is going to visit Misteeq.

'''"Welcome To My World"''' James shows us a bit of his world, and also a letter he has drafted to Carmine Terrine.

'''"WTF?!?!?"''' Ziola explains that her house was broken into and a video from The Janitor Of Oxford was stolen.

'''"The Fourth Circle"''' James releases the video that was stolen from Ziola.

'''"Off To Grandmas House"''' Misteeq posts a video stating that Jenni is on her way and she is awaiting further instructions about what to do when she arrives.

'''"Soully Becoming One"''' Nix explains that he has seen the bigger players emerge and hold back the information that they have about what is goin on, and he states that he is not afraid to jump into the unknown.

'''"Home"''' Ziola says she will take vengance on James for breaking into her home.

'''"New Job"''' Jessica, James's assistant, states that she has a new job and that she loves it. She also says that she believes her boss may be able to help her sister with her ailment.

'''"An Offering"''' James gives Misteeq the go ahead to tell the players that they have 48 hours to turn Kim and Greg in, or Jenni will die. He also re-extends his job offer to Ziola.

'''"Something You Want"''' Misteeq shows a video of herself torturing Jenni, and informs the players that they have to decide between turning in greg and Kim or letting Jenni die.

'''"In a word ..."''' Ziola rejects James's job offer again, stating thatshe has found a better one.

'''"Always a Third"''' Nix confronts the players about their decisions as of late.

'''"Praying For Death"''' Greg shows the withdrawal he is going through from the videos, and begs for help in figuring out what to do about Jenners kidnapping.

'''"You Reached a Decision"''' Because of the players decision not to turn Greg and Kim in, Misteeq posts a video of her killing Jenners.

'''"The Arrival"''' Jessica states that her sister has started treatment with James Creature.

On April 21, 2008 it was reported that Creature, Inc has been working with Homeland Security in the USA to install certain "black box technology" in Internet access points.[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/04/manhattan-project.html]

'''"A Taste of Things to Come?"''' HopefulSemblance first appears to cry while watching Jenners death, and then starts hysterically laughing.

'''"Messages..."''' is ThEmptyCheshire's first video. In it was a puzzle that lead to his G-Mail account, where his real name was revealed to be Jackson Creature. He implies that he is James Creature's son or possible clone.

==Character Descriptions==
''This section is still in the development phase.''
----
*Infrastruck: the central character in the show.
*Greg: has the same physical characteristics to Infrastuck, but different memories.
*James Creature : CEO of Creature INC.
*Genocide: a friend of Infrastruck.
*Jason (deceased): A friend of Greg and Kim's who committed suicide because of mind control.
*Kim: Jason's former roomate
*Jenners: A former ally of Greg's
*WatchingOverCINC: Unknown person who monitors Greg and C.INC
*ManufacturedDestiny: A brainwashing recoverer who works for James.
*Nix: Protector of Kim and Greg
*Tinny09: An agent who requests a mission to aide or monitor Greg
*MsMisteeq: James's assassin who kills Jenners
*TheJanitorOfOXford: A character from the Worldfiles series
*Ziola: A person who is being educated on hell by TheJanitorOfOxford
*JessicaMorning: The loyal assistant of James Creature.
*HopefulSemblance: A man with an unknown agenda.
*ThEmptyCheshire/Jackson Creature: Possibly James' son or his clone. His alliance is unknown.

==Character accounts==
*{{youtube-user|creatureinc}}
*{{youtube-user|greggallows}}
*{{youtube-user|infrastruck}}
*{{youtube-user|genocideinmymind}}
*{{youtube-user|jennersrevenge}}
*{{youtube-user|WatchingOverCInc}}
*{{youtube-user|ManufacturedDestiny}}
*{{youtube-user|Nixmix9}}
*{{youtube-user|MsMisteeq}}
*{{youtube-user|ThEmptyCheshire}}

==Playlist==
*[http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=59D03099E14F70D3 Creature, Inc]

==In Character Response Videos==
*filiascientis: {{youtube|fZ-FrmNkmQ8|dream a little dream of me}} (filiascientis is a character account for Sandi in the [[FacilityJ]] component series of the [[The Coalition]].
*alcon835: {{youtube|p9_kJ603i_A|Re: I Dream Of Demons}}
*tinny09: {{youtube|PsF1ZMq6E80|Infrastruck?}}
*CarmineTerrine: {{youtube|F91TnDFLKEo|Lesson 1: Getting Screwed}} Carmine welcomes James, as to what he is welcoming him into is unknown.

==Creature, Inc Logo and Endtag==
The creation and design of the logo for the Creature, Inc is credited to community member Saffryn.

The creation and design of the end tag for the Creature, Inc videos is credited to community member MasonIsHappy.

==External Links==
*[http://infrastruck.blogspot.com Infrastruck blog]
*[http://www.thecoalition.tv The Coalition web site]
*[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=161&sid=cefe2822f4d5ad6572724bb2063a7284 Discussion on LG15.com]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_fiction Collaborative fiction on Wikipedia]
*[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/03/dynamic-story-telling.html Dynamic Story Telling]
*[http://inside.lg15.com/2008/03/28/creature-inc Creature, Inc article on insideLG15]
*[http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25030, Creature INC on Unfiction]

[[Category:User Generated Content]]
[[Category:Red Territory]]

Creature, Inc

2008-05-01T04:38:28Z

69.62.183.10: /* Character Descriptions */

{{Show
|name = Creature, Inc,
|image = CreatureInc.jpg

|bgcolor =
|headercolor = #FF6600
|headerfont = #fff
|fontcolor =
|bordercolor = #FF6600
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Creature, INC is an Alternate Reality Interactive [[Web Series]] that centers around a world where our government has been essentially 'sold' to the most powerful and corrupt corporations of our time. Economic conditions resulted in a cataclysmic downward spiral of America to the point where corporate America was able to seize control of a government that had decayed close to the point of bankruptcy. Our civil rights are being slowly removed from us, our laws have become flexible to the will of those in power, and corporate sponsored mind control is on the verge of being instituted forcefully.

Creature, INC takes place within [[The Coalition]] extended region of the [[Red Territory]]. Viewers and players of the series are encouraged to create characters of their own, and to participate in the series itself. Not only does their help support the Alternate Reality aspect of this series, it may in fact be crucial to the survival of the world itself.

The hour of revolution is at hand.

Which side will you choose?

==Summary==
The first video in the web series is '''"War Cry"''' which comes from Infrastruck. The video contains a rather cryptic poem with the general theme "''I keep dreaming about my past''". In this video we also see the introduction of the first ARG clue.

In "'''Eve of Destruction"''' Infrastruck talks about having memories that are not his own. His old friend genocideinmymind asked for his help and since then his brain has been "fryi'''ng". One of his friends in Kentucky, Jason, has committed suicide but Infrastruck thinks he killed him and burried him in the woods. Infrastruck decides to fly back for the funeral and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhume exhume] the grave.

'''In "Misfortunato"''' we see Infrastruck covered in mud. He appears to have returned from digging in the woods but has no recollection of the events that passed. He does however have a "disk" which contained video that Jason left for him.

'''"Jasons Suicide Note"''' contains video of the suicide note that was found in the suicide video by community members Heyaja, [[Jenni Powell]], and CherShayToute.

'''"Lucidity Toxicity"''' is the first video in the web series from the [[Greg Gallows]] YouTube account. Greg appears to be a "replicate" of the Infrastruck, or perhaps just suffering from a''' mental condition. Greg has been talking to [[FacilityJ]] members who tell him that he has been asleep and is just now wakening.

'''"A Specter is Haunting"''' GenoicideInMyMind introduces herself and shows sympathy towards Infra's mental problems as of late.

'''"Final Warning"''' is the first video from the Creature, Inc [[YouTube]] account. The video carried the description "Wars teach us not to love our enemies, but to hate our allies" and appears to contain surveillance video of Infrastruck. This suggests that Creature, Inc is monitoring Infrastruck's behavior for some reason.

'''"My Grief Observed"''' JennersRevenge, a close ally from Infra's past, makes her first appearance, warning Creature INC that she will pay back any harm that they cause to Infra.

'''"Spherical Harmonics"''' Greg acknowledges that he has seen Creature INC's video but cannot find the cameras in his home. He responds to the Facility J character Jay Nineteen, JennersRevenge, and GenocideInMyMind. He falls unconscious on his floor and awakes to see his former friend Jason's roomate, Kim, asking if he is ok.

'''"We Are Watching"''' WatchingOverCInc lets Greg know that the choice of whom to trust is still his.

'''"Duality"''' JennersRevenge talks about her life outside of "zombieville".

'''"I Made a Big Mistake"''' [[Greg Gallows]] is with Kim who found him knocked out. He recaps recent events to Kim, and she demands to see the videos that have brainwashed Greg and Jason. After watching the videos she goes insane, attacks Greg, and flees her house.

'''"Suggestions for Survival"''' ManufacturedDestiny warns Greg to put his dreams behind him and "Leave them to us."

'''"Gregory's Mess"''' CreatureINC shows security camera footage of Kim killing one of his agents as he attempts to apprehend her. James Creature states in the video that Kim stole the agents PDA and that they will track her by that and it is only a matter of time.

'''"When jokes go to far"''' ManufacturedDestiny suggests that Greg is merely delusional and warns others not to be sucked in.

'''"Please Help"''' Greg shows a video Kim sent to him, with a puzzle leading to her location.

'''"Fair Warnings"''' Watching over CInc send an update to C.INC warning him that there may be events he did not forsee.

'''"Infrastruck?"''' Tinny09 introduces his character into the story and requests a mission to assist and or monitor Infrastruck.

'''"Rescuing Kim"''' Greg rescues Kim thanks to the hard work of all the puzzle crackers.

'''"Awakened Memories?"''' Nix introduces himself and says that he will protect Greg and Kim until the end.

'''"Trust"''' ManufacturedDestiny tells us all that he used to have nightmares and memory problems similar to Gregs, but that Creature INC took those problems away from him. He suggests that Greg let Creature INC do the same for him.

'''"Instincts Maternal"''' JennersRevenge ponders on children, her desire to have them, and what she saw hiding behind Infra's eyes.

'''"Kim's First Vlog"''' Kim introduces herself to the online community.

'''"Observations"''' Creature INC tests out their new cameras that have been installed in Kim's home.

'''"After Dark"''' Nix explains that he has been having roccuring nightmares about a girl who he cannot save as well as about Kim and Greg.

'''"Survivalism"''' Greg Destroys I his hard drive that contains a copy of the mind altering videos, leaving only 4 copies in known existance.

'''"A Titanic Tank Shots"''' Misteeq introduces herself as a friend of Greg's and asks Jenni to come visit her so that she can help her get over her emotional issues.

'''"Metamorphasis"''' Jenners says that she is no longer helping Infra, and that she wants to go after the larger forces behind everything.

'''"Destruction"''' Greg destroys the copy of the mind controlling videos that is in his posession, leaving only 3 copies in known existence.

'''"Leaving On a Jet Plane"''' Jenners states that she is going to visit Misteeq.

'''"Welcome To My World"''' James shows us a bit of his world, and also a letter he has drafted to Carmine Terrine.

'''"WTF?!?!?"''' Ziola explains that her house was broken into and a video from The Janitor Of Oxford was stolen.

'''"The Fourth Circle"''' James releases the video that was stolen from Ziola.

'''"Off To Grandmas House"''' Misteeq posts a video stating that Jenni is on her way and she is awaiting further instructions about what to do when she arrives.

'''"Soully Becoming One"''' Nix explains that he has seen the bigger players emerge and hold back the information that they have about what is goin on, and he states that he is not afraid to jump into the unknown.

'''"Home"''' Ziola says she will take vengance on James for breaking into her home.

'''"New Job"''' Jessica, James's assistant, states that she has a new job and that she loves it. She also says that she believes her boss may be able to help her sister with her ailment.

'''"An Offering"''' James gives Misteeq the go ahead to tell the players that they have 48 hours to turn Kim and Greg in, or Jenni will die. He also re-extends his job offer to Ziola.

'''"Something You Want"''' Misteeq shows a video of herself torturing Jenni, and informs the players that they have to decide between turning in greg and Kim or letting Jenni die.

'''"In a word ..."''' Ziola rejects James's job offer again, stating thatshe has found a better one.

'''"Always a Third"''' Nix confronts the players about their decisions as of late.

'''"Praying For Death"''' Greg shows the withdrawal he is going through from the videos, and begs for help in figuring out what to do about Jenners kidnapping.

'''"You Reached a Decision"''' Because of the players decision not to turn Greg and Kim in, Misteeq posts a video of her killing Jenners.

'''"The Arrival"''' Jessica states that her sister has started treatment with James Creature.

On April 21, 2008 it was reported that Creature, Inc has been working with Homeland Security in the USA to install certain "black box technology" in Internet access points.[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/04/manhattan-project.html]

'''"A Taste of Things to Come?"''' HopefulSemblance first appears to cry while watching Jenners death, and then starts hysterically laughing.

'''"Messages..."''' is ThEmptyCheshire's first video. In it was a puzzle that lead to his G-Mail account, where his real name was revealed to be Jackson Creature. He implies that he is James Creature's son or possible clone.

==Character Descriptions==
''This section is still in the development phase.''
----
*Infrastruck: the central character in the show.
*Greg: has the same physical characteristics to Infrastuck, but different memories.
*James Creature : CEO of Creature INC.
*Genocide: a friend of Infrastruck.
*Jason (deceased): A friend of Greg and Kim's who committed suicide because of mind control.
*Kim: Jason's former roomate
*Jenners: A former ally of Greg's
*WatchingOverCINC: Unknown person who monitors Greg and C.INC
*ManufacturedDestiny: A brainwashing recoverer who works for James.
*Nix: Protector of Kim and Greg
*Tinny09: An agent who requests a mission to aide or monitor Greg
*MsMisteeq: James's assassin who kills Jenners
*TheJanitorOfOXford: A character from the Worldfiles series
*Ziola: A person who is being educated on hell by TheJanitorOfOxford
*JessicaMorning: The loyal assistant of James Creature.
*HopefulSemblance: A man with an unknown agenda.
*ThEmptyCheshire/Jackson Creature: Possibly James' son or his clone. His alliance is unknown.

==Character accounts==
*{{youtube-user|creatureinc}}
*{{youtube-user|greggallows}}
*{{youtube-user|infrastruck}}
*{{youtube-user|genocideinmymind}}
*{{youtube-user|jennersrevenge}}
*{{youtube-user|WatchingOverCInc}}
*{{youtube-user|ManufacturedDestiny}}
*{{youtube-user|Nixmix9}}
*{{youtube-user|MsMisteeq}}

==Playlist==
*[http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=59D03099E14F70D3 Creature, Inc]

==In Character Response Videos==
*filiascientis: {{youtube|fZ-FrmNkmQ8|dream a little dream of me}} (filiascientis is a character account for Sandi in the [[FacilityJ]] component series of the [[The Coalition]].
*alcon835: {{youtube|p9_kJ603i_A|Re: I Dream Of Demons}}
*tinny09: {{youtube|PsF1ZMq6E80|Infrastruck?}}
*CarmineTerrine: {{youtube|F91TnDFLKEo|Lesson 1: Getting Screwed}} Carmine welcomes James, as to what he is welcoming him into is unknown.

==Creature, Inc Logo and Endtag==
The creation and design of the logo for the Creature, Inc is credited to community member Saffryn.

The creation and design of the end tag for the Creature, Inc videos is credited to community member MasonIsHappy.

==External Links==
*[http://infrastruck.blogspot.com Infrastruck blog]
*[http://www.thecoalition.tv The Coalition web site]
*[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=161&sid=cefe2822f4d5ad6572724bb2063a7284 Discussion on LG15.com]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_fiction Collaborative fiction on Wikipedia]
*[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/03/dynamic-story-telling.html Dynamic Story Telling]
*[http://inside.lg15.com/2008/03/28/creature-inc Creature, Inc article on insideLG15]
*[http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25030, Creature INC on Unfiction]

[[Category:User Generated Content]]
[[Category:Red Territory]]

Creature, Inc

2008-05-01T04:37:34Z

69.62.183.10: /* Summary */

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|image = CreatureInc.jpg

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Creature, INC is an Alternate Reality Interactive [[Web Series]] that centers around a world where our government has been essentially 'sold' to the most powerful and corrupt corporations of our time. Economic conditions resulted in a cataclysmic downward spiral of America to the point where corporate America was able to seize control of a government that had decayed close to the point of bankruptcy. Our civil rights are being slowly removed from us, our laws have become flexible to the will of those in power, and corporate sponsored mind control is on the verge of being instituted forcefully.

Creature, INC takes place within [[The Coalition]] extended region of the [[Red Territory]]. Viewers and players of the series are encouraged to create characters of their own, and to participate in the series itself. Not only does their help support the Alternate Reality aspect of this series, it may in fact be crucial to the survival of the world itself.

The hour of revolution is at hand.

Which side will you choose?

==Summary==
The first video in the web series is '''"War Cry"''' which comes from Infrastruck. The video contains a rather cryptic poem with the general theme "''I keep dreaming about my past''". In this video we also see the introduction of the first ARG clue.

In "'''Eve of Destruction"''' Infrastruck talks about having memories that are not his own. His old friend genocideinmymind asked for his help and since then his brain has been "fryi'''ng". One of his friends in Kentucky, Jason, has committed suicide but Infrastruck thinks he killed him and burried him in the woods. Infrastruck decides to fly back for the funeral and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhume exhume] the grave.

'''In "Misfortunato"''' we see Infrastruck covered in mud. He appears to have returned from digging in the woods but has no recollection of the events that passed. He does however have a "disk" which contained video that Jason left for him.

'''"Jasons Suicide Note"''' contains video of the suicide note that was found in the suicide video by community members Heyaja, [[Jenni Powell]], and CherShayToute.

'''"Lucidity Toxicity"''' is the first video in the web series from the [[Greg Gallows]] YouTube account. Greg appears to be a "replicate" of the Infrastruck, or perhaps just suffering from a''' mental condition. Greg has been talking to [[FacilityJ]] members who tell him that he has been asleep and is just now wakening.

'''"A Specter is Haunting"''' GenoicideInMyMind introduces herself and shows sympathy towards Infra's mental problems as of late.

'''"Final Warning"''' is the first video from the Creature, Inc [[YouTube]] account. The video carried the description "Wars teach us not to love our enemies, but to hate our allies" and appears to contain surveillance video of Infrastruck. This suggests that Creature, Inc is monitoring Infrastruck's behavior for some reason.

'''"My Grief Observed"''' JennersRevenge, a close ally from Infra's past, makes her first appearance, warning Creature INC that she will pay back any harm that they cause to Infra.

'''"Spherical Harmonics"''' Greg acknowledges that he has seen Creature INC's video but cannot find the cameras in his home. He responds to the Facility J character Jay Nineteen, JennersRevenge, and GenocideInMyMind. He falls unconscious on his floor and awakes to see his former friend Jason's roomate, Kim, asking if he is ok.

'''"We Are Watching"''' WatchingOverCInc lets Greg know that the choice of whom to trust is still his.

'''"Duality"''' JennersRevenge talks about her life outside of "zombieville".

'''"I Made a Big Mistake"''' [[Greg Gallows]] is with Kim who found him knocked out. He recaps recent events to Kim, and she demands to see the videos that have brainwashed Greg and Jason. After watching the videos she goes insane, attacks Greg, and flees her house.

'''"Suggestions for Survival"''' ManufacturedDestiny warns Greg to put his dreams behind him and "Leave them to us."

'''"Gregory's Mess"''' CreatureINC shows security camera footage of Kim killing one of his agents as he attempts to apprehend her. James Creature states in the video that Kim stole the agents PDA and that they will track her by that and it is only a matter of time.

'''"When jokes go to far"''' ManufacturedDestiny suggests that Greg is merely delusional and warns others not to be sucked in.

'''"Please Help"''' Greg shows a video Kim sent to him, with a puzzle leading to her location.

'''"Fair Warnings"''' Watching over CInc send an update to C.INC warning him that there may be events he did not forsee.

'''"Infrastruck?"''' Tinny09 introduces his character into the story and requests a mission to assist and or monitor Infrastruck.

'''"Rescuing Kim"''' Greg rescues Kim thanks to the hard work of all the puzzle crackers.

'''"Awakened Memories?"''' Nix introduces himself and says that he will protect Greg and Kim until the end.

'''"Trust"''' ManufacturedDestiny tells us all that he used to have nightmares and memory problems similar to Gregs, but that Creature INC took those problems away from him. He suggests that Greg let Creature INC do the same for him.

'''"Instincts Maternal"''' JennersRevenge ponders on children, her desire to have them, and what she saw hiding behind Infra's eyes.

'''"Kim's First Vlog"''' Kim introduces herself to the online community.

'''"Observations"''' Creature INC tests out their new cameras that have been installed in Kim's home.

'''"After Dark"''' Nix explains that he has been having roccuring nightmares about a girl who he cannot save as well as about Kim and Greg.

'''"Survivalism"''' Greg Destroys I his hard drive that contains a copy of the mind altering videos, leaving only 4 copies in known existance.

'''"A Titanic Tank Shots"''' Misteeq introduces herself as a friend of Greg's and asks Jenni to come visit her so that she can help her get over her emotional issues.

'''"Metamorphasis"''' Jenners says that she is no longer helping Infra, and that she wants to go after the larger forces behind everything.

'''"Destruction"''' Greg destroys the copy of the mind controlling videos that is in his posession, leaving only 3 copies in known existence.

'''"Leaving On a Jet Plane"''' Jenners states that she is going to visit Misteeq.

'''"Welcome To My World"''' James shows us a bit of his world, and also a letter he has drafted to Carmine Terrine.

'''"WTF?!?!?"''' Ziola explains that her house was broken into and a video from The Janitor Of Oxford was stolen.

'''"The Fourth Circle"''' James releases the video that was stolen from Ziola.

'''"Off To Grandmas House"''' Misteeq posts a video stating that Jenni is on her way and she is awaiting further instructions about what to do when she arrives.

'''"Soully Becoming One"''' Nix explains that he has seen the bigger players emerge and hold back the information that they have about what is goin on, and he states that he is not afraid to jump into the unknown.

'''"Home"''' Ziola says she will take vengance on James for breaking into her home.

'''"New Job"''' Jessica, James's assistant, states that she has a new job and that she loves it. She also says that she believes her boss may be able to help her sister with her ailment.

'''"An Offering"''' James gives Misteeq the go ahead to tell the players that they have 48 hours to turn Kim and Greg in, or Jenni will die. He also re-extends his job offer to Ziola.

'''"Something You Want"''' Misteeq shows a video of herself torturing Jenni, and informs the players that they have to decide between turning in greg and Kim or letting Jenni die.

'''"In a word ..."''' Ziola rejects James's job offer again, stating thatshe has found a better one.

'''"Always a Third"''' Nix confronts the players about their decisions as of late.

'''"Praying For Death"''' Greg shows the withdrawal he is going through from the videos, and begs for help in figuring out what to do about Jenners kidnapping.

'''"You Reached a Decision"''' Because of the players decision not to turn Greg and Kim in, Misteeq posts a video of her killing Jenners.

'''"The Arrival"''' Jessica states that her sister has started treatment with James Creature.

On April 21, 2008 it was reported that Creature, Inc has been working with Homeland Security in the USA to install certain "black box technology" in Internet access points.[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/04/manhattan-project.html]

'''"A Taste of Things to Come?"''' HopefulSemblance first appears to cry while watching Jenners death, and then starts hysterically laughing.

'''"Messages..."''' is ThEmptyCheshire's first video. In it was a puzzle that lead to his G-Mail account, where his real name was revealed to be Jackson Creature. He implies that he is James Creature's son or possible clone.

==Character Descriptions==
''This section is still in the development phase.''
----
*Infrastruck: the central character in the show.
*Greg: has the same physical characteristics to Infrastuck, but different memories.
*James Creature : CEO of Creature INC.
*Genocide: a friend of Infrastruck.
*Jason (deceased): A friend of Greg and Kim's who committed suicide because of mind control.
*Kim: Jason's former roomate
*Jenners: A former ally of Greg's
*WatchingOverCINC: Unknown person who monitors Greg and C.INC
*ManufacturedDestiny: A brainwashing recoverer who works for James.
*Nix: Protector of Kim and Greg
*Tinny09: An agent who requests a mission to aide or monitor Greg
*MsMisteeq: James's assassin who kills Jenners
*TheJanitorOfOXford: A character from the Worldfiles series
*Ziola: A person who is being educated on hell by TheJanitorOfOxford
*JessicaMorning: The loyal assistant of James Creature.
*HopefulSemblance: A man with an unknown agenda.

==Character accounts==
*{{youtube-user|creatureinc}}
*{{youtube-user|greggallows}}
*{{youtube-user|infrastruck}}
*{{youtube-user|genocideinmymind}}
*{{youtube-user|jennersrevenge}}
*{{youtube-user|WatchingOverCInc}}
*{{youtube-user|ManufacturedDestiny}}
*{{youtube-user|Nixmix9}}
*{{youtube-user|MsMisteeq}}

==Playlist==
*[http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=59D03099E14F70D3 Creature, Inc]

==In Character Response Videos==
*filiascientis: {{youtube|fZ-FrmNkmQ8|dream a little dream of me}} (filiascientis is a character account for Sandi in the [[FacilityJ]] component series of the [[The Coalition]].
*alcon835: {{youtube|p9_kJ603i_A|Re: I Dream Of Demons}}
*tinny09: {{youtube|PsF1ZMq6E80|Infrastruck?}}
*CarmineTerrine: {{youtube|F91TnDFLKEo|Lesson 1: Getting Screwed}} Carmine welcomes James, as to what he is welcoming him into is unknown.

==Creature, Inc Logo and Endtag==
The creation and design of the logo for the Creature, Inc is credited to community member Saffryn.

The creation and design of the end tag for the Creature, Inc videos is credited to community member MasonIsHappy.

==External Links==
*[http://infrastruck.blogspot.com Infrastruck blog]
*[http://www.thecoalition.tv The Coalition web site]
*[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=161&sid=cefe2822f4d5ad6572724bb2063a7284 Discussion on LG15.com]
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_fiction Collaborative fiction on Wikipedia]
*[http://lg15today.blogspot.com/2008/03/dynamic-story-telling.html Dynamic Story Telling]
*[http://inside.lg15.com/2008/03/28/creature-inc Creature, Inc article on insideLG15]
*[http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25030, Creature INC on Unfiction]

[[Category:User Generated Content]]
[[Category:Red Territory]]

Jesus is Watching

2008-03-09T23:37:27Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

{{Redearth88
| series = Redearth88
| name = Jesus is Watching
| number = 0031
| image = MarlaIwashere.jpg
| caption = I was here
| blogger = Marla
| date = {{date|2008|February|28}}
| url = {{youtube|1zoPk3OX5eY}}
| description = What do I do now?
| tags = {{tags|maddisonatkins|Mr.|Dr.|Arscott|marla|singer|marlasinger|Jesus|is|Watching|Limepeng1}}
| cast =
{{FakeVidChar|Marla|Maya Kramer}}
| Previous = To Dr. Arscott (from the community)
| Next =
| PreviousB =
| NextB =
}}

==Transcript==

'''Marla:''' Thanks every body, for making the video. You did a really good job. I'm glad every body pulled together. ''(Marla shrugs)'' I don't know what to do next! I don't really know how long to wait before I track down doctor Arscott?...Or Mr. Arscott? Whatever he's called, and, uh, I dunno, waltz into his office and tell him to watch a YouTube video? "Hey Mr. Arscott, I am a random person. From the Interweb. You should watch this video! Right now!" ''(Marla gets up and grabs an action figure of Jesus, which says "John" several times.)'' So, Dr. Arscott...Hows it going? ''(As Mean Dr. Arscott)'' Who are you and what are you doing in my office?!
Mr. Arscott, I just really think you should watch this. (Continuing “mean Dr. Arscott”) It’s Doctor Arscott. (Marla looks slightly sheepish) I’m really making Dr Arscott sound real mean. (Marla tries a different way) Um… Hi Dr. Arscott, how you doing? (As overly nice Dr. Arscott, with something of a southern accent) Ah well, I’m fine. How are you? (Marla makes a face, as if unsure how to react) Uh, I guess I’m ok. There’s this video you should see on youtube. It’s for you from some people who might be interested in hearing from. (overly nice Arscott) Oh well, I’ll take a look. It should be good. (Marla looks uneasy.) Alright, I’m just gonna go now…(Marla chuckles, cut to Marla closer to the camera, having put the Jesus figure down for now.)

LimePeng1, thanks for your video. You don’t sound like an asshole, you were just venting. You know how it is, but you better be careful what you say about me because if you say bad things Jesus is going to smote you. I mean your sick, but I’m just saying. It’s a sign, from God. (Marla brings a penguin drawing on a popscicle stick into camera view.) Hey there I’m LimePeng1, nononononononononononono…no….no…no. (number of no’s may not be accurate) I’m feeling good. (Marla starts bringing Jesus, facing the camera sideways into view) I’m ranting a little. You know, you know how things go, ranting at the camera. (Jesus is brought out of view) I’m not suspecting anything at all. (Marla brings the Jesus figure back into the picture suddenly and starts hitting the paper penguin. After several silent hits there come sound effects and smiting.) Kapow (hit) sickness (hit) children (hit) arrow'd (hit) smote (hit). (Cut to Marla further back slightly blurry, Jesus in the penguin in the foreground, using the super nice Arscott voice.) I know what you did I just can’t say it ‘cause I’m Jesus. (Marla starts to laugh and brings both Jesus and the Penguin out of view. Cut to Marla close to the camera.) Jesus is coming for you. (Cut to Marla back against the couch, slightly blurred again. Slowly Jesus is brought back into the shot, in focus, from the bottom of the screen. Whispered [[cassieiswatching|CiW]] style) I was here!

==Notes==
* This was posted in response to the user LimePeng1's video "I'm sick...Again"
[[Category:Maya Kramer filmography]]
[[Category:Videos with Marla]]

I've got mail

2008-03-06T05:42:42Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

{{Redearth88
| series = Redearth88
| name = I've got mail
| number = 0028
| image = Gregsgotmail.jpg
| caption = Yay! [[Rachel|Crossover]] mail!
| blogger = Gregory Atkins (character){{!}}Gregory Atkins
| date = {{date|2008|February|21}}
| url = {{youtube|Q6uiFkUb41Y}}
| description = I'm not sure why I posted this. Maybe this blog thing is catching on with me. Maybe I'm an egomaniac. That's certainly how I feel. Rachel's screen name is Redearth. A little trivia there for the masses.
| tags = {{tags|Gregory|Atkins|Unopened|Mail|Thank|You|Letter|Redearth|Rachel|SUV|maddisonatkins|Redearth88|LG15|Maddison}}
| cast =
{{FakeVidChar|[[Gregory Atkins (character)|Gregory Atkins]]|Brad Maule}}
| Previous = Coffee with Gregory Atkins
| Next = For a boy
| PreviousB = Coffee?
| NextB =
}}

==Transcript==
'''Gregory Atkins:''' (''sitting in a chair in front of a blank white wall, in the new house, holding a letter in his hand'') After April, I just want you to know that I stopped doing a lot of things. I stopped wearing a tie. And, I stopped working overtime. In fact, I stopped working at all. I didn’t leave my house that much either. I have this slot in the door and the mail was just coming through every day, piling up. Advertisements, lots of advertisements, catalogs, buy a brand new SUV, and junk, and condolences. (''Long pause, and then change of tact'') Ehh… Publisher’s Clearing House, and just a lot of stuff. I did pay my bills. I did do that, because I automatic pay a lot of them, and a lot of bills you can pay in cash so it’s not that big of a deal. So it’s not like I completely went off the deep end. And finally, my mountain of mail got so huge that I thought, um… I’ll just put a box under there. I’m very creative sometimes. And, it’s my front door. I don’t go in my front door. Front door’s for company. I went in the back door all the time. And then the box filled up. I taped it up, moved away to this new place here, and today I decided to open that mystery box of mail. And I found this letter.

It’s from a girl that I’ve only met once, and that was on the phone. Her name is Rachel. And she had an internship out in Los Angeles, Rachel did, and Maddison was going to be a part of that. And this note is a thank you note from Rachel. It’s a pretty standard run of the mill thank you note. It says expressing gratitude for you covering Maddison’s half of the rent and bills. (''Gregory gives a tight smile and nods.'') Um, she gave me a little update on her life in Los Angeles. She’s a PA, which I’m assuming is something to do in the film world, or television, or something. And she’s got a link here to her video blog on YouTube. And I, you know I was thinking how different it could have been. We wanted Maddison to go to a prestigious school. You know, NYU, Columbia, Bryson. And instead she went to Nacogdoches with that (''heavily sarcastic'') rock star.

My wife and I did not support that. Tough love, you know? If you’re going to go with Mr. Rock Star, we’re not going to support that. And I really regret that. Cause, I look at Rachel’s life here. (''Looks down at pages of the letter'') Well, that could have been Maddison, you know? She could have had Rachel’s life, or she could have had a life like Rachel’s. Maddison could have been happy. She could have been a PA. (''Laughs'') Working out there, and (''looks down a pages of the letter again'') and now because of tough love. (''Cut to Gregory looking at the letter again'') Anyway… (''Folds letter holds it up slightly'') Hey Rachel, if you see this, thank you for sending this, and congratulations. I mean, you’re doing great.

(''Cut to black, then the Redearth88 end tag comes up, for the first time in the Maddison Atkins series, and the voice says “Maddison Atkins the universe is wider than our views of it.”'')

==Notes==
*This is the first (and so far, only) Maddison Atkins video to feature the Red Vial.
[[Category:Brad Maule filmography]]
[[Category:Videos with Gregory Atkins]]

For a boy

2008-03-06T05:41:36Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

{{Redearth88
| series = Redearth88
| name = For a boy
| number = 0029
| image = Marlaforaboy.jpg
| caption = Oh Crap! I told them about my secret child!
| blogger = Marla
| date = {{date|2008|February|24}}
| url = {{youtube|fXf2todvj54}}
| description = I don't really have a point, and I got tired of waiting on YouTube, so I went to bed.
| tags = {{tags|marla|singer|marlasinger|uniqueblaze|gregory|atkins|maddisonatkins|Guitar|Hero|Final|Fantasy|Katamari|Damacy}}
| cast =
{{FakeVidChar|[[Marla]]|Maya Kramer}}
| Previous = I've got mail
| Next = To Dr. Arscott (from the community)
| PreviousB = Coffee with Gregory Atkins
| NextB =
}}

==Transcript==
'''Marla:''' Uh [[Gregory Atkins (character)|Mr. Atkins]], I'm sorry I don't really have a clear thought in my head so I'm just gonna talk. Like UniqueBlaze, that's his screen name, um... like him, I don't really have children. And by not really I mean (''laughs'') really don't. I sort of have a child (''mutters, still laughing'') shit. So, I can't really relate to what you're going through. But, I can a little bit, and not to be a downer, but I think I can relate because my dad died. He passed about three years ago. I can imagine that [[Maddison Atkins|Maddison]] might have felt some sort of loss when you didn't support her move to Nacogdoches. I don't really know anything about the situation, or what went down so, I'm not judging anybody for it. I think you have a pretty good handle on that yourself.

After dad died I started traveling. He left me some money specifically for that, and even though its almost all gone now I think I used it appropriately. I traveled. I saw England, and France, and Germany, and Holland, and I took a fifty six hour Greyhound trip from Montreal to Calgary. I think I averaged zero showers on that trip. There are no showers on a Greyhound. I didn't meet anybody that wanted to kiss me. She smells like a monkey. I traveled and uh... before I met Maddison I sort of... I mean I sort of let a boy influence my traveling decisions. I had plans for Japan, and Costa Rica, and Switzerland, and I ended up in Nashville. I don't really know when or why I let this guy influence me, but I just did.

After [[No More|April]], I was devastated. We all were. However, and I hate to really admit this, but my life didn't really change. I mean... I mean not really. I still traveled, and I went to Seattle, For the boy. On my [[Marla Singer?|first trip]] to Nac, I stayed about a week, and I was I was brave, and I was strong. I jumped straight into things, and I found [[Clara Stokes|Clara]] at her job, and I went to [[Maddison's Apartment|Maddison's apartment]]. I opened up the war nook, and then I read her... and then I went back to Seattle. But when I moved here, it was different. I was different, and I don't think it's as important to answer why as it is to know that it just was.

How did I cope with that why? Some may say that I didn't cope at all. But I think that I coped in the way that I always cope. I played games. I played Tetris, and Mario Kart, and Zelda, and Kingdom Hearts, and Kingdom Hearts II, Guitar Hero, and Guitar Hero II, and Guitar Hero III, and Guitar Hero 80's, Final Fantasy III, Final Fantasy VII, Final Fantasy VIII, Final Fantasy XII, and now I have a mild addiction to We Love Katamari. Um... Don't start playing that game. (''Each word separate and measured with emphasis'') Perhaps I haven't dealt with things as efficiently as I could have. I don't know, where was I going with all of this stuff? Guess I didn't really have a point.

==Notes==
* In chat, Marla has mentioned these games before, and also played Halo with [[Adam Lamar]]
[[Category:Maya Kramer filmography]]
[[Category:Videos with Marla]]

Jesus is Watching

2008-03-03T23:31:31Z

69.62.148.171: /* Transcript */

{{Redearth88
| series = Redearth88
| name = Jesus is Watching
| number = 0031
| image = MarlaIwashere.jpg
| caption = I was here
| blogger = Marla
| date = February 28th, 2008
| url = {{youtube|1zoPk3OX5eY}}
| description = What do I do now?
| tags = {{tags|maddisonatkins|Mr.|Dr.|Arscott|marla|singer|marlasinger|Jesus|is|Watching|Limepeng1}}
| cast =
{{FakeVidChar|Marla|Maya Kramer}}
| Previous = To Dr. Arscott (from the community)
| Next =
| PreviousB =
| NextB =
}}

==Transcript==

'''Marla:''' Thanks every body, for making the video. You did a really good job. I'm glad every body pulled together. ''(Marla shrugs)'' I don't know what to do next! I don't really know how long to wait before I track down doctor Arscott?...Or Mr. Arscott? Whatever he's called, and, uh, I dunno, waltz into his office and tell him to watch a YouTube video? "Hey Mr. Arscott, I am a random person. From the Interweb. You should watch this video! Right now!" ''(Marla gets up and grabs an action figure of Jesus, which says "John" several times.)'' So, Dr. Arscott...Hows it going? ''(As Mean Dr. Arscott)'' Who are you and what are you doing in my office?!
Mr. Arscott, I just really think you should watch this. (Continuing “mean Dr. Arscott”) It’s Doctor Arscott. (Marla looks slightly sheepish) I’m really making Dr Arscott sound real mean. (Marla tries a different way) Um… Hi Dr. Arscott, how you doing? (As overly nice Dr. Arscott, with something of a southern accent) Ah well, I’m fine. How are you? (Marla makes a face, as if unsure how to react) Uh, I guess I’m ok. There’s this video you should see on youtube. It’s for you from some people who might be interested in hearing from. (overly nice Arscott) Oh well, I’ll take a look. It should be good. (Marla looks uneasy.) Alright, I’m just gonna go now…(Marla chuckles, cut to Marla closer to the camera, having put the Jesus figure down for now.)

LimePeng1, thanks for your video. You don’t sound like an asshole, you were just venting. You know how it is, but you better be careful what you say about me because if you say bad things Jesus is going to smote you. I mean your sick, but I’m just saying. It’s a sign, from God. (Marla brings a penguin drawing on a popscicle stick into camera view.) Hey there I’m LimePeng1, nononononononononononono…no….no…no. (number of no’s may not be accurate) I’m feeling good. (Marla starts bringing Jesus, facing the camera sideways into view) I’m ranting a little. You know, you know how things go, ranting at the camera. (Jesus is brought out of view) I’m not suspecting anything at all. (Marla brings the Jesus figure back into the picture suddenly and starts hitting the paper penguin. After several silent hits there come sound effects and smiting.) Kapow (hit) sickness (hit) children (hit) arrow'd (hit) smote (hit). (Cut to Marla further back slightly blurry, Jesus in the penguin in the foreground, using the super nice Arscott voice.) I know what you did I just can’t say it ‘cause I’m Jesus. (Marla starts to laugh and brings both Jesus and the Penguin out of view. Cut to Marla close to the camera.) Jesus is coming for you. (Cut to Marla back against the couch, slightly blurred again. Slowly Jesus is brought back into the shot, in focus, from the bottom of the screen. Whispered [[cassieiswatching|CiW]] style) I was here!

== Notes ==

==Notes==

[[Category:Maya Kramer filmography]]
[[Category:Videos with Marla]]

Jesus is Watching

2008-03-02T05:07:12Z

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==Transcript==

'''Marla:'''Thanks every body, for making the video. You did a really good job. I'm glad every body pulled together. ''(Marla shrugs)'' I don't know what to do next! I don't really know how long to wait before I track down doctor Arscott?...Or Mr. Arscott? Whatever he's called, and, uh, I dunno, waltz into his office and tell him to watch a YouTube video? "Hey Mr. Arscott, I am a random person. From the Interweb. You should watch this video! Right now!" ''(Marla gets up and grabs an action figure of Jesus, which says "John" several times.)'' So, Dr. Arscott...Hows it going? ''(As Mean Dr. Arscott)'' Who are you and what are you doing in my office?!

**NOTE: I'll work on the rest later**

==Notes==

[[Category:Maya Kramer filmography]]
[[Category:Videos with Marla]]

Here Aygo!

2008-02-17T04:42:07Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

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==Transcript==
(''Charlie is running down the stairs in her building''.)

'''Charlie:''' Guess what. I bought a car! I know, I know, I was only talking about it the other day, but- Look, I went down to the showroom and I just couldn't resist. (''Squeals''.) I'm so excited. And I got an ''amazing'' deal on it. Come on, I'm gonna show you now.

(''Charlie heads out of her building''.)

Introducing my brand new [[KM Product placement|Aygo Platinum by Toyota]]! (''Turns the camera around to show her new car''.) Ta-da! Isn't she the most beautiful thing you've ever seen? (''Squeals''.) I think I'm in love! Look, come on; let me give you a tour.

(''Cut to Charlie inside the car''.)

As you can see, the beautiful Toyota Aygo has all the latest features! (''Cut to a shot of the radio console''.) Note the banging stereo. (''Charlie turns on the radio and screams as she bangs her head around. Cut to Charlie turning up the A/C''.) Air conditioning. (''Pretends to dry her hair with the air vent''.)

(''Cut to Charlie taking an exterior shot of the car''.) The sleek curves and aerodynamic profile... (''Cut to Charlie laying down inside the car''.) And wonderfully spacious interior. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to take this bad boy for a drive.

(''Cut to Charlie turning a key in the ignition and the car starts up''.) Oh dammit, my wallet!

(''Charlie turns off the car and gets out. As she heads for her building, Steve approaches''.)

'''Charlie:''' Steve. Hey!

'''Steve:''' What's this?

'''Charlie:''' Oh, you mean Aygo? Isn't she the most beautiful thing you've ever seen? I think she needs a better name than that, though. Maybe one of you guys out there in [[bebo]]-land can help me think of a name for her.

'''Steve:''' Glad a lump of metal can make you so happy.

'''Charlie:''' I'm sorry?

'''Steve:''' I just didn't realize I was the only one who still cares about finding out what happened to [[Kate]].

'''Charlie:''' Piss off, Steve! Do you really think I'm gonna stand here and listen to you lecturing me after everything I've been through? You know, I'm just trying to move on with my life. This is the first time I've even been a little bit happy in ages! You need to grow up!

(''Charlie pushes past Steve toward her flat''.)

'''Steve:''' Yeah, bye then! You have fun with your new toy! I'll just be here looking for Kate's killer!

(''Cut to Charlie walking in her building toward the door of her flat. She opens the door and a glimpse of a naked guy holding a small towel in front of his privates with one hand is caught on camera as Charlie walks toward her room. As the door closes, Charlie turns around to look at him''.)

'''Charlie:''' What do you think you're doing?

'''Niall:''' (''Laughs''.) Oh, g'day. How's it going? Nice cam.

'''Charlie:''' Who are you?

'''Niall:''' I'm Niall. [[Kyle]]'s mate.

(''Niall walks toward Charlie with his free hand outstretched''.)

'''Charlie:''' No-no-no, stay there! Don't come any closer! Don't come any closer.

'''Niall:''' Didn't he mention that I was staying?

'''Charlie:''' No, he didn't.

'''Niall:''' It's just for a couple of days, anyway.

(''Niall grabs a newspaper and sits on the toilet as Charlie walks past into the main room''.)

'''Niall:''' Where's your bog roll at, mate? I've gotta drop the kids off at the pool.

==Notes==
*"I've gotta drop the kids off in the pool" is another way of saying "I have to use the toilet".
*This is the most nudity ever seen in a [[KateModern]] video, or any thing made by [[LG15]].

2008 Will Not Suck

2008-02-12T00:47:23Z

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==Transcript==
'''Charlie:''' Hey, guys. I made it through the weekend...just. The [[Arma-goo-den|Cadbury Creme Egg thingy]] went really, really well, so my boss has let me work from home for a couple of days. (''Sighs''.) Which is great. Actually perfectly timed because I really don't feel like I got a new year's. I just wish everything else wasn't going on at the moment.

I mean, [[Steve]] is so caught up in everything... Yeah, I want to know who killed [[Kate]], too, but I just need some time to get my head together and to figure this whole thing out; I need time for me. 2008 will ''not'' suck!

I want to make some changes, you know? I have new year's resolutions. I mean, I want to see more of London, more of England, and so... (''Sighs''.) I'm gonna spend all my savings and buy a car.

(''Charlie flips through a brochure for the [[KM Product placement|Toyota Aygo]]''.) Yeah, I-I know. I looked at some payment plans, and all I know so far is this: that I like silver. And I thought maybe I could get something cute like the one that's advertised on T4.

And... The other thing is... this place. You know, I get pretty spooked out being here by myself; especially at night and all. I mean, it's crazy, I know, but... You know, this place isn't haunted. (''The doorbell rings''.) No, it's ''not'' haunted. (''Walks to the door taking the camera with her''.) But I put an ad in for a roommate. (''Sighs''.) I leave the camera running; maybe you guys can help me choose.

(''Charlie unlocks the door to reveal a young man outside''.)

'''Kyle:''' Look-

'''Charlie:''' Hi!

'''Kyle:''' Hi, uh, I'm here about the flat?

'''Charlie:''' Um... yeah. Don't mind this, it's- Yeah, c-come in. Come in!

(''Kyle walks past Charlie into the main room. Charlie closes the door and follows him, zooming in on his butt''.)

'''Kyle:''' Nice place.

'''Charlie:''' Yeah. (''Turns the camera on herself''.) Score! Just, um, come in; just take a seat. Just down there. (''Kyle removes his jacket and sits on the couch''.) Yeah, did it take long to get here?

'''Kyle:''' Um... About twenty minutes.

'''Charlie:''' Twenty minutes, oh, excellent. Yeah. You're Australian?

'''Kyle:''' Uh, yeah.

'''Charlie:''' Yeah!

'''Kyle:''' Uh, you- You're Australian as well?

'''Charlie:''' Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm-I'm Charlie.

'''Kyle:''' Yeah, we, uh, spoke on the phone?

'''Charlie:''' Oh, yeah. Yeah, sorry. Cool. So can you tell me your name again?

'''Kyle:''' Uh, Kyle.

'''Charlie:''' Oh, Kyle. Oh, like- like Dr. Kyle off Neighbours, right?

'''Kyle:''' I guess, uh...

'''Charlie:''' Oh, no, no, that's Dr. Karl... Yeah. And, uh, so w-what are you doing here?

'''Kyle:''' Uh, I'm here for the ad? Uh... You mean- You mean London.

'''Charlie:''' Yeah, yeah.

'''Kyle:''' Um, I'm new, I'm just looking for someone to show me the ropes. Um, you know, (inaudible). (''Winks''.)

'''Charlie:''' And do you have any bad habits?

'''Kyle:''' Bad habits... Um, I sometimes hog the kitchen. You know, it's a bit of a hobby, the cookery. Um, I'm a bit OCD about the cleaning. And, uh, bit handy with a brush - that's a good thing. Um... I need to stay fit for work, so I work out at home now and again.

'''Charlie:''' Oh, you work out at home? S-so you're a model, then!

'''Kyle:''' (''Laughs''.) No.

'''Charlie:''' No?

'''Kyle:''' Uh, the only pose I can strike is this one. (''Strikes an odd-looking pose, making a sawing motion''.)

'''Charlie:''' Ye-ye- Um...

'''Kyle:''' I'm a...carpenter?

'''Charlie:''' Oh! (''Laughs''.) Carpenter! So you spend a lot of time putting things up, then?

'''Kyle:''' Yeah. Well, uh, that and, um, helping out with, you know, campaigns; environment, mainly. Um... It's just a spare time thing at the moment, but it's something I really love.

(''The doorbell rings''.)

'''Kyle:''' Oh! Saved by the bell. Um... I'm so sorry. Once I get started, you just can't stop me. Uh...

'''Charlie:''' No, that's- That's okay.

(''The doorbell rings again''.)

'''Kyle:''' Uh, I better go. (''Gets up''.)

'''Charlie:''' Oh, no-no-no-no-no! (''Gets up''.) Don't- don't rush! Um, you- No, don't rush; you can stick around. (''Heads toward the door''.) Just, um- I'll just figure this out; I'll sort this out first.

(''Charlie unlocks the door to reveal Lee''.)

'''Lee:''' Greetings, roomie!

'''Charlie:''' Lee-

'''Lee:''' I saw the ad; I couldn't believe it was you! (''Starts to come into the apartment''.)

'''Charlie:''' Lee! No, no!

'''Lee:''' Isn't this place-

'''Charlie:''' (''Cutting off Lee''.) The room's taken. Yeah, I know.

'''Lee:''' What do you mean it's taken?

'''Charlie:''' Really sorry. Hey, thanks for coming! Thanks for coming!

'''Lee:''' Uh...

'''Charlie:''' (''Slams the door in Lee's face''.) Bye! (''Locks the door''.)

==Notes==
* It is a universal knowledge that a creepy ex-stalker that some how gained internet popularity equals a bad room-mate, much like [[zoeyiswatching|Zoey]]

*Kyle might be joining the KateModern crew.

*Kyle might be a new romantic interest of Charlie

Alondra

2008-02-07T22:31:14Z

69.62.148.171: /* Plot background */

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'''Alondra a.k.a. aaalondra''' is one of the potential [[List of New Girl Candidates|New Girls]] possibly chosen to do the Ceremony in Bree's place, as well as a character in [[The Flock|The Chosen Flock]] Video Series. Alondra is out to use the religion’s resources and connections to obtain her ultimate goal, fame.

==Plot background==
Alondra is very confident in herself (some may say conceited). She brags at her gift for playing instruments and writing lyrics, but is distressed over her poor vocals. She expresses a desire to be like her idol, [[Other Chosen Flock Characters#Finn|Finn]].

At the end of her first video, she asks on how to join the Hymn of One. Although she was repeatedly offered a sponsorship into the religion by [[Lostgrl17|Liandra]], she joined the Hymn of One through the help of [[TwinklyDiamonds|Chandra]], a girl with even more cockiness then Alondra.

After joining, Alondra was flooded with friend requests. She and Chandra staged "the IT Girl Challenge", which was designed to separate the worthy from the geeky. While several girls won into her little clique, she seemed to be bossing around Li the most. Making her perform tasks that she is too lazy to do.

She apparently got a record contract through the Hymn of One and flew to LA to record her first album with Finn. Before she left she expressed her concern over whether she should perform a publicity stunt recommended by the Hymn of One to further her career.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, she was involved in a car accident, and rushed to hospital. This is speculated to be the publicity stunt arranged to promote her album, or possibly could be a punishment for refusing to do the publicity stunt. Either way, her debut single, "Eternal" topped the charts the week of it's release. Alondra was unable to enjoy this, as she was secretly transfered from the hospital to an unknown location. It is believed that she went through the Ceremony.

==Notes==
*Alondra is actually her middle name, her first name hasn't been revealed, though it might be Jennifer, as she used the name in an analogy regarding her name.
*Alondra has apparently watched the lonelygirl15 videos, though this doesn't seem to deter her from joining the Hymn of One.
*According to Alondra, Oprah Winfrey, Lindsay Lohan, and Taylor Hicks are all members of the Order. She says Madonna is not in the order, and says that with Paris Hilton, she "doesn't even have to say it."

===Etymology===
Alondra is the Short form of Alejandra. The Spanish word alondra also means "lark".

==List of videos==
*[[A Video About Myself]]
*[[Celebrity Centre]]
*[[Re: Choices, Choices...]]
*[[Here I am!]]
*[[IT Girl Challenge Answers]]
*[[My Secret (Alondra)|My Secret]]

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Liandra

2008-02-07T22:28:58Z

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'''Lostgrl17 a.k.a. Li''' is one of the potential [[List of New Girl Candidates|New Girls]] possibly chosen to do the Ceremony in Bree's place, as well as a character in [[The Flock|The Chosen Flock]] Video Series. Liandra is generally lost about where she fits in but is committed to her faith and uses it as her anchor to keep from drifting away.

==Plot background==
===Season One===
Li starting posting video blogs in order to make friends. She says that because of the strictness of her Religion, she is not allowed to play or associate with people of different faiths. She does mention this one girl she used to play with when she was younger, but her parents didn't let her come over anymore.

She feels no bitterness towards her religion, and is very devoted to her faith, going as far as to make a video ("Listen") about her "Eternal Song." She is always trying to make a difference by reaching out to others, but is given the cold shoulder on offering [[aaalondra|Alondra]] a sponsorship into the Hymn of One.

She auditioned for and was accepted into [[TwinklyDiamonds|Chandra]] and Alondra's clique. At first she was really excited, but then was burdened by the daily tasks that are assigned to her.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Li reveals that she is done with the clique, frustrated by the "negative notes" it gave her song. Despite this, she did express concern over Alondra's well-being after hearing about her accident.

She also questions the identity of the mysterious [[ShepherdX]], and reveals some information about the flock and the Shen Ring (The Flock Symbol).

===Season Two===
Li has become active in comments on youtube and myspace. On [[Cynthia]]'s youtube page, she posted the following message:

''Hey Cyn,''

''Thanks for the message. I'm okay. I just needed time away from everything to figure things out. Have you heard from Alessandra?''

''-Li''

This lead to a conversation over the two girls page, leading us to believe they're friends. She recently posted a video explaining her absense after the clique fell apart and the disappearances of [[Chandra]] and [[Allandra]].

==List of videos==
'''Season One'''
*[[Hi I'm Li!]]
*[[Yes, it's a REAL religion!]]
*[[Beyond Myself]]
*[[More about friends]]
*[[Re: Do You Have "It"?]]
*[[Listen]]
*[[Bibbidi Bobbidi-To Do]]
*[[Things Do Not Change, We Change]]
'''Season Two'''
*[[The Song is All Around]]

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[[Category:New Girl Candidates]]

The Opposite of Great

2008-02-03T21:25:52Z

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'''The Opposite of Great''' is the eighth video in the [[Betz281]] video series, and the fifth video of [[The Flock|The Flock Season 2]].

==Transcript==
'''Betz:''' If you are seeing this video, you're one of my most trusted and loyal friends. Everything is not great. Everything is ''so'' not great. Everything is the opposite of great. You see, after I confronted Mike and he explained everything to me, I was still suspicious. I mean, that note from Sandra? It wasn't even hand-written. So I just decided to act like everything was okay until I could find out more. And that very night, Mike brings this white-noise machine to bed. He says he's having trouble sleeping. Mike never has trouble sleeping. So I closed my eyes and pretended to fall asleep. I decided to recite the alphabet backwards. I figured I'd wait for Mike to fall asleep. I mean, maybe I was being paranoid. There is a chance that he's telling me the truth, and if he falls asleep then the machine would obviously be harmless. But then he nudges me, and asks me if I'm asleep. When I didn't answer, I hear him get up. And then this music came on the machine, and I hear him leave the room. It sounded like chimes repeating over and over. I just lay there, repeating the alphabet backwards. I didn't know what else to do. I was so scared. And then, about a half-hour later he comes back in the room to make sure that I'm still asleep, and he whispers in my ear: "Tomorrow, I'll have my beautiful wife back and we can put all of this behind us." (''Pause''). There's a name that kept popping up in the files, a colleague of Mike's. I've never met him, I've heard him mention his name. But I also found a phone number. I don't know what I'm going to say, but I'm going to call that number.

==Notes==
*This video removed speculation that Bets was brain-washed by her husband, as her last video [[Everything Is Great!]] made fans speculate.

The Opposite of Great

2008-02-03T21:24:44Z

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Everything You Need To Know About RE88

2008-01-31T01:08:38Z

69.62.148.171: /* People */

{{update}}

== OpAphid Vs. Tachyon ==
===People===
*[[OpAphid]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[Brother]]
*[[War Pylol]]
*[[Cassie]]
*[[Gemma]]
*[[Bree]]
*[[Daniel]]
*[[Jonas]]

===Summary===
OpAphid emerged encouraging [[Bree]], telling her that she was making the right choice by doing [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]]. She then posted a series of videos mocking [[Cassieiswatching|Cassie]] and declaring her a "psychic vampire". [[Tachyon]], while working undercover as a low level employee for the OpAphid organization, posted three ambiguous videos as messages to [[Brother]], her partner. One night, Tachyon fled her job and broke into one of OpAphid's information gathering facilities and stole important files. OpAphid called upon the audience to intercept this information as Tachyon left it for Brother to pick up. Tachyon only left a small piece of the information, so over the course of the next several weeks, the audience continued to intercept Tachyon's drops as she left them for Brother in different locations in California. Through these drops, it was discovered that [[Gemma]] was part of the Order and that she had been dating Brother while they were both in England. Gemma had set Brother up to be killed by [[War Pylol]], but Tachyon secretly saved him. In return, Brother shot Gemma after some encouragement from Tachyon.

After Gemma's death, OpAphid kidnapped Daniel and brainwashed him into posting [[Miss Me?|a video]] to encourage Bree to do the Ceremony. With Tachyon and Brother's assistance, Bree and Jonas were able to [[The Human Ransom|rescue Daniel]] from the Order. Tachyon then spent some time training Bree at an undisclosed location in the woods. After this Tachyon and Brother probably received a new assignment, and no longer interfered with Bree and her friends. OpAphid also disappeared for a while.

== Maddison Atkins ==
===People===
*[[Maddison Atkins]]
*[[Adam|Adam Wilmott]]
*[[Mr. Zipp]]
*[[Whiskey]]
*[[HTMLvis]]
*[[War Pylol]]
*[[Joel Frady]]

===Summary===
[[Maddison Avenue|Maddison Atkins]] follows the story of a young girl named [[Maddison Atkins|Maddison]] and her friend [[Adam]]. Once [[What Happened Today Part 1|normal college students]], their lives drastically change after they [[What Happened Today Part 2|receive a mysterious note]] from a man named [[Mr. Zipp]], via a pigeon called [[HTMLvis]]. Mr. Zipp [[Immerse Myself|writes to Maddison]], asking for her help in exposing a mysterious organization which "impose[s] severe restrictions on [his] interactions with [his] only child." Maddison joins up with the online community, who helps her solve puzzles and retrieve drops left [[The Rue B|all]] [[The Hurricane|over]] [[Marsh Chapel, Boston U|the country]] to reveal the secrets of said organization. However, Maddison soon [[I Heard Pain, Odd Evil Fiction|realizes that she's not safe]], and [[Running (April 25th)|runs away]]. Unfortunately, the [[War Pylol|organization]] catches up with her and [[No More|kills]] both her and Adam.

==Clara Stokes==
===People===
*[[Clara Stokes]]
*[[Adam Lamar]]
*[[Dr. William Arscott]]
*[[Joel Frady (character)|Joel Frady]]
*[[Jason Terrell]]
*[[John Davies]]
*[[Gregory Atkins]]
*[[Cynthia Frady]]
*[[Bethany Frady]]
*[[Duke Johnson]]
*[[Scott (Redearth88 character)|Scott]]
*[[Rene]]
*[[Judy Donald]]
*[[Marla]]
*[[15over15]]
*[[OpAphid]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[Brother]]
*[[War Pylol]]
*[[XO]]
*[[Brian]]
*[[Andrew]]

===Summary===
[[Clara Stokes]]'s story follows a lazy film student as she attempts to complete her [[Thesis Statement|thesis]] on the deaths of Maddison and Adam. She arranges meetings with many people involved in investigation of the deaths, as well as people involved in the events leading up to the deaths themselves. However, after finding the [[Joel Frady|accused murderer]] [[Joel is Dead|dead]], Clara realizes that she's in over her head. She quickly became withdrawn, gets terrible nightmares, and refuses to work on her thesis any longer. She begins drowning her sorrows in alcohol. Maddison's father, [[Gregory Atkins]] tries to entice Clara to continue working on the project, offering her [[Gregory Atkins called us|money]] to continue doing so. Additionally, [[Marla]], an online friend of Clara's, tries to help by [[Marla Singer?|visiting her]], but does not have any luck.

==Rachel / Redearth==
===People===
*[[Rachel]]
*[[Aly Zarin]]
*[[Linc]]
*[[Jordan]]
*[[Bucket]]
*[[Rachel's parents]]
*[[Rachel's grandfather]]
*[[Rachel's boss]]
*[[Rachel's boss's wife]]
*[[Rachel's co-workers]]
*[[Zoey (Redearth88 character)|Zoey]]
*[[Rachel's landlord]]
*[[Larry]]
*[[Dr. William Arscott]]
*[[OpAphid]]

===Summary===
In Los Angeles, a young girl named [[Rachel]] receives a [[Hello. I am Rachel's first video blog.|film assignment]] from her professor, and begins putting together video diaries chronologizing her life. She talks about her ex-boyfriend [[Jordan]] and her worries about an STD test. Elsewhere, a young man named [[Linc]] receives instructions to [[Creepy Stalking 101|protect Rachel]]. The two meet and [[Interrogation + Date = INTERRODATING|go on a date]], but Rachel quickly becomes mad when [[The Best Deceptions|she finds out]] Linc's intentions are to protect her, not to date her. She dumps Linc, and goes for her STD test. However, things do not go well there, and Linc ends up having to [[Inside The Clinic|rescue]] Rachel from a mysterious doctor. Rachel and Linc go [[Cut To The Chase|on the run]], but soon [[Worth The Wait?|get kidnapped]] by [[OpAphid]]. Several months passed, and Rachel suddenly started posting videos again with [[Where Does The Time Go?]] in which she explained that she was with her grandmother for several months. Linc, however, woke up with a lot of money from jobs he didn't remember doing. Seeing that he failed Bree, Maddison, and now apparently Rachel, Linc decided to quit and go into hiding in the video [[Farewells]]. Rachel returned to a normal life, until she needed to get a room-mate. Enter [[Aly Zarin]], the alias of Tachyon, who moved in.

==Internal Links==
*Back to [[Redearth88]].

[[Category:Redearth88]]

Everything You Need To Know About RE88

2008-01-31T01:07:07Z

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== OpAphid Vs. Tachyon ==
===People===
*[[OpAphid]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[Brother]]
*[[War Pylol]]
*[[Cassie]]
*[[Gemma]]
*[[Bree]]
*[[Daniel]]
*[[Jonas]]

===Summary===
OpAphid emerged encouraging [[Bree]], telling her that she was making the right choice by doing [[the Ceremony (ritual)|the Ceremony]]. She then posted a series of videos mocking [[Cassieiswatching|Cassie]] and declaring her a "psychic vampire". [[Tachyon]], while working undercover as a low level employee for the OpAphid organization, posted three ambiguous videos as messages to [[Brother]], her partner. One night, Tachyon fled her job and broke into one of OpAphid's information gathering facilities and stole important files. OpAphid called upon the audience to intercept this information as Tachyon left it for Brother to pick up. Tachyon only left a small piece of the information, so over the course of the next several weeks, the audience continued to intercept Tachyon's drops as she left them for Brother in different locations in California. Through these drops, it was discovered that [[Gemma]] was part of the Order and that she had been dating Brother while they were both in England. Gemma had set Brother up to be killed by [[War Pylol]], but Tachyon secretly saved him. In return, Brother shot Gemma after some encouragement from Tachyon.

After Gemma's death, OpAphid kidnapped Daniel and brainwashed him into posting [[Miss Me?|a video]] to encourage Bree to do the Ceremony. With Tachyon and Brother's assistance, Bree and Jonas were able to [[The Human Ransom|rescue Daniel]] from the Order. Tachyon then spent some time training Bree at an undisclosed location in the woods. After this Tachyon and Brother probably received a new assignment, and no longer interfered with Bree and her friends. OpAphid also disappeared for a while.

== Maddison Atkins ==
===People===
*[[Maddison Atkins]]
*[[Adam|Adam Wilmott]]
*[[Mr. Zipp]]
*[[Whiskey]]
*[[HTMLvis]]
*[[War Pylol]]
*[[Joel Frady]]

===Summary===
[[Maddison Avenue|Maddison Atkins]] follows the story of a young girl named [[Maddison Atkins|Maddison]] and her friend [[Adam]]. Once [[What Happened Today Part 1|normal college students]], their lives drastically change after they [[What Happened Today Part 2|receive a mysterious note]] from a man named [[Mr. Zipp]], via a pigeon called [[HTMLvis]]. Mr. Zipp [[Immerse Myself|writes to Maddison]], asking for her help in exposing a mysterious organization which "impose[s] severe restrictions on [his] interactions with [his] only child." Maddison joins up with the online community, who helps her solve puzzles and retrieve drops left [[The Rue B|all]] [[The Hurricane|over]] [[Marsh Chapel, Boston U|the country]] to reveal the secrets of said organization. However, Maddison soon [[I Heard Pain, Odd Evil Fiction|realizes that she's not safe]], and [[Running (April 25th)|runs away]]. Unfortunately, the [[War Pylol|organization]] catches up with her and [[No More|kills]] both her and Adam.

==Clara Stokes==
===People===
*[[Clara Stokes]]
*[[Adam Lamar]]
*[[Dr. William Arscott]]
*[[Joel Frady (character)|Joel Frady]]
*[[Jason Terrell]]
*[[John Davies]]
*[[Gregory Atkins]]
*[[Cynthia Frady]]
*[[Bethany Frady]]
*[[Duke Johnson]]
*[[Scott (Redearth88 character)|Scott]]
*[[Rene]]
*[[Judy Donald]]
*[[Marla]]
*[[15over15]]
*[[OpAphid]]
*[[Tachyon]]
*[[Brother]]
*[[War Pylol]]
*[[XO]]
*[[Brian]]
*[[Andrew]]

===Summary===
[[Clara Stokes]]'s story follows a lazy film student as she attempts to complete her [[Thesis Statement|thesis]] on the deaths of Maddison and Adam. She arranges meetings with many people involved in investigation of the deaths, as well as people involved in the events leading up to the deaths themselves. However, after finding the [[Joel Frady|accused murderer]] [[Joel is Dead|dead]], Clara realizes that she's in over her head. She quickly became withdrawn, gets terrible nightmares, and refuses to work on her thesis any longer. She begins drowning her sorrows in alcohol. Maddison's father, [[Gregory Atkins]] tries to entice Clara to continue working on the project, offering her [[Gregory Atkins called us|money]] to continue doing so. Additionally, [[Marla]], an online friend of Clara's, tries to help by [[Marla Singer?|visiting her]], but does not have any luck.

==Rachel / Redearth==
===People===
*[[Rachel]]
*[[Aly Zarin]]
*[[Linc]]
*[[Jordan]]
*[[Bucket]]
*[[Rachel's parents]]
*[[Rachel's grandfather]]
*[[Aly Zarin]]
*[[Rachel's boss]]
*[[Rachel's boss's wife]]
*[[Rachel's co-workers]]
*[[Zoey (Redearth88 character)|Zoey]]
*[[Rachel's landlord]]
*[[Larry]]
*[[Dr. William Arscott]]
*[[OpAphid]]

===Summary===
In Los Angeles, a young girl named [[Rachel]] receives a [[Hello. I am Rachel's first video blog.|film assignment]] from her professor, and begins putting together video diaries chronologizing her life. She talks about her ex-boyfriend [[Jordan]] and her worries about an STD test. Elsewhere, a young man named [[Linc]] receives instructions to [[Creepy Stalking 101|protect Rachel]]. The two meet and [[Interrogation + Date = INTERRODATING|go on a date]], but Rachel quickly becomes mad when [[The Best Deceptions|she finds out]] Linc's intentions are to protect her, not to date her. She dumps Linc, and goes for her STD test. However, things do not go well there, and Linc ends up having to [[Inside The Clinic|rescue]] Rachel from a mysterious doctor. Rachel and Linc go [[Cut To The Chase|on the run]], but soon [[Worth The Wait?|get kidnapped]] by [[OpAphid]]. Several months passed, and Rachel suddenly started posting videos again with [[Where Does The Time Go?]] in which she explained that she was with her grandmother for several months. Linc, however, woke up with a lot of money from jobs he didn't remember doing. Seeing that he failed Bree, Maddison, and now apparently Rachel, Linc decided to quit and go into hiding in the video [[Farewells]]. Rachel returned to a normal life, until she needed to get a room-mate. Enter [[Aly Zarin]], the alias of Tachyon, who moved in.

==Internal Links==
*Back to [[Redearth88]].

[[Category:Redearth88]]

Everything is Great!

2008-01-27T19:38:54Z

69.62.148.171: New page: '''Everything is Great!''' is the third video of The Flock Season 2 == Transcript == TRANSCRIPT NEEDED!!! == Notes == *This highly contradicts Betsy's 5on5 season finale video. *It...

'''Everything is Great!''' is the third video of The Flock Season 2

== Transcript ==
TRANSCRIPT NEEDED!!!

== Notes ==
*This highly contradicts Betsy's [[5on5]] season finale video.
*It should be noted that [[Emma]] Once mentioned the ceremony being held near Sedona.

No More

2008-01-27T07:35:37Z

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| number = 0012
| image = MaddisonAtkinsNoMore.jpg
| caption = Maddison, run!
| blogger = Maddison Atkins
| date = April 29th, 2007
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| description = A warning to others.
| song = "Unscathed" by Dusty Brown
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'''No More''' is the twelfth video in the [[Maddison Avenue|Maddison Atkins]] video series.

== Transcript ==
(''Maddison and Adam are driving in a car, the scene are cuts of driving along a state road or highway'')

'''Adam:''' K, um...

'''Maddison:''' K, Kerrville!

'''Adam:''' Hey, that was mine!

'''Maddison:''' Too slow. L, limit! M, miles, N, next exit --

'''Adam:''' Hey, wait a minute, you have to shut your eyes for 30 seconds.

'''Maddison:''' Shut my eyes? No, you didn't get Kerrville.

'''Adam:''' I did too! If I hadn't have pointed it out, you wouldn't have seen it --

'''Maddison:''' O, open.

'''Adam:''' Hey, time out!

'''Maddison:''' "No time outs", ''your'' rule, remember?

'''Adam:''' Don't mess with ''Kexas'', K.

'''Maddison:''' Whatever!

'''Adam:''' You just watch the road, eyes on the path.

'''Maddison:''' Kexas.

(''It is nighttime, they are still driving'')

'''Adam:''' We'd only been dating like a month, and it was kind of an accident that we'd been going out in the first place. One of those things where, you kiss a girl and later she starts introducing you as her boyfriend. You know?

'''Maddison:''' But still.

'''Adam:''' Nah, don't worry about it. I'm sad, but it was her decision. She's keeping Whiskey.

'''Maddison:''' Yeah. Okay, okay, are we close?

'''Adam:''' Not even.

(''Still driving at night, cut to a shot of the full moon'')

'''Maddison:''' I've never been this scared before.

'''Adam:''' You seem to be dealing with it pretty well.

'''Maddison:''' I guess. I wish I understood more. Why me, why now, why all this? Why ''pigeons''?

'''Adam:''' (''laughs'') Yes, why pigeons? Was it an anti-animal rights group? Was it some kind of fetish? What in the world...

'''Maddison:''' Pigeon porn!

'''Adam:''' (''laughs'') Funny.

(''Daytime again, still driving'')

'''Adam:''' Ten more miles.

'''Maddison:''' Oh, good, I have to pee.

'''Adam:''' Oh, do we have to mention that?

'''Maddison:''' Mmm-hmm.

(''Cut to Adam in the driver's seat, the car has stopped. Maddison is holding the camera.'')

'''Adam:''' That was a long drive.

'''Maddison:''' Yeah, it was.

(''Adam gets out of the car, Maddison -- still holding the camera -- gets out of the car as well, and places the camera on the roof of the car while she closes the car door. The view from the camera shows a trailer or a single-story house. The front door is open'')

'''Maddison:''' Oh, I know. Do you have the keys?

'''Adam:''' (''off-camera'') Yes ma'am.

(''Maddison closes the car door and walks off towards the right of the camera. After a few seconds, we see Adam enter from the right of the camera with a small black sports bag'')

'''Maddison:''' (''off-camera'') Got it?

'''Adam:''' Yup. (''holds hands out indicating the area'') This is [[Joseph Wilmott|Uncle Joe's]]! (''sound of car door or trunk closing'')

(''A man enters from the front door with his hands behind his back.'')

'''Maddison:''' (''still off-camera'') Hey!

(''The man, still standing in front of the doorway to the house, puts his right hand next to his side. He is holding a gun. Adam drops his bag and starts running back to the right of the camera'')

'''Adam:''' Maddison, run!

(''The man aims the gun and shoots. Someone -- possibly Maddison -- screams'')

'''Maddison:''' Adam!

(''The man walks toward the camera and aims towards the ground off to the right of the camera. He shoots again, twice. Maddison screams. The man walks off-camera to the right. Maddison then enters the camera's view, running on from the left of the camera and then off to the right. The man appears from the left of the camera, stops right in the center of view, aims, and shoots. He walks off to the right of the camera. We hear two more gunshots.'')

(''Cut to scene of the man, gun still in hand, walking back into the house'')

(''Cut to scene of man entering the house, and then walking out with some big black trash bags. He lays them out on the ground. The film becomes saturated with red color. The man drags Adam's body onto a trash bag and wraps him up with it'')

(''Cut to empty scene of house -- color of the video is still red. The trash bag with Adam's body is gone. One trash bag remains. The man appears from the right of the camera, dragging Maddison's body. From the camera angle Maddison's back can be shown with what looks like a large stain of blood on her back'')

(''Cut to scene of man covering up Maddison's body in the trash bag -- video is still red'')

(''Cut to scene where normal video color is restored. The man is covering up a body in the trash bag. Once finished, he leaves it and walks back into the house, and shuts the door'')

== Notes ==
* Forum discussion at http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9530
* The title of the song "Unscathed" may mean that somehow Maddison, Adam or both survived the shooting.
* At 4:03 it seems that Maddie moves her leg. This may also may mean that Maddison, and possibly Adam, survived.
* Fans have theorized hopefully that Maddy and Adam may have faked their own deaths in order to to escape the Order. If they were really killed, it would be unlikely that the killer would have posted the video. So they probably faked their death and posted the video. Nobody else seemed to be around, and it is highly unlikely that someone would know Maddison's password.
* The video of Maddison and Adam's killing has been posted on her [http://www.myspace.com/maddyatkins MySpace]. This means that the killer has access to that account as well.
* It is unknown whether [[War Pylol]] is the [[Joel Frady (character)|killer]] or not, as he was the one who posted the video that showed footage of Maddison's neighborhood, and his name appears in the tags of the video.
*One of the tags of this video is D in APHID, which stands for [[destroy]].
[[Category:Faye Austin filmography]]
[[Category:Jason Zednick filmography]]
[[Category:Jason McRoberts filmography]]

Bloodlines: Part 3

2008-01-27T07:28:37Z

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| number = 409
| image = 409-CeremonyAllOverAgain.jpg
| caption = Déjà vu
| blogger = Jonas
| date = January 25th, 2008
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| forumid = 15902
| length = 3:35
| description = I'm inside the facility.
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| Previous = Bloodlines: Part 2
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==Transcript==

(''Jonas is racing down the stairs after coming into the hospital, in the same shot as the end of [[Bloodlines: Part 2]]. He goes down the dimly lit hallway, and stops outside a room with a single mattress on the floor.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''whispering'') K. I'm inside. This place is a fucking maze.

(''He goes around a corner to see a man standing in the hallway checking the clip in his gun. The man disappears into a room and Jonas ventures down the hallway. The female doctor and a man appear and walk down the hallway away from Jonas. He ducks behind them into another room, and they continue walking. Cut to a stairwell. A door up the stairs reads "B thru Q. 1 Floor. No Roof Access." Someone appears in the window; Jonas retreats a bit down the stairs. Some men come through the door talking and laughing, and go up the stairs without seeing Jonas. He watches the go out of sight.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''whispering'') That was close.

(''Jonas goes through the door, which seems to lead to another hallway. Cut to another room in the hospital.'')

'''Jonas:''' I have no idea where I'm going. You know, I hope you guys get to see this, but I'm starting to get the feeling like I might not get to post this thing. (''sighs'') Alright. Wish me luck.

(''He comes to another hallway and sees the same Female Doctor go by with a cart. He follows her down the hallway. She leaves the cart in the hall and goes into a room. Jonas comes and hides behind the cart. Inside the room, Dr. Hart is standing over two patients getting blood transfusions. Watchers are standing nearby.'')

'''Jonas:''' What the fuck? Oh god.

(''The patient on the right lifts her head, and we see that it is Emma.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''inaudible, possibly "He's doing it for her."'') What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? Ok.

(''Dr. Hart checks the blood bags, and talks to the patient on the left. He lifts his head, and we see that it is an Elder. He pans back to Emma, who sees him. She shakes her head "no."'')

'''Jonas:''' Hey. Hey. "No" what? Emma, what? What the fuck are you saying?

(''Emma smiles and puts her head back down. A heart monitor stops, and the patient on the left falls off the bed. Dr. Hart helps Emma out of her IVs.'')

'''Watchers:''' Doctor, help, here. Doctor! Doctor!

(''Dr. Hart and Jonas help Emma off the bed, and she runs out of the room. Jonas follows.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Get her out of here! (''He closes the doors. Gunshot. A Watcher seems to pull Dr. Hart down.'') RUN!

(''Emma gets to the end of the hallway and goes through the doors into the light, and Jonas is close behind.'')

==Notes==

*Gina is misspelled as "Gin" in the tags
*Until the posting of this video, fans speculated that Emma would suffer the same fate as [[Bree]].

Her Body, Her Blood

2008-01-24T02:59:02Z

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| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 405
| image = herblood.jpg
| caption =
| blogger = Dr. Hart
| date = January 23, 2008
| url = {{lg15|493}}
| forumid = 15853
| length = 2:13
| description = www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15

Daniel and Jonas, it doesn't matter what you do or what you find out . . . they are too powerful.
| location = [[Dr. Hart's office]]
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==Transcript==
'''Dr Hart:''' I just watched Daniel's video and I know a lot of you are still trying to figure out who Gina is. My Gina. So why don't I just tell you? Gina was not a patient in the Hart study. Gina was the control. Like Emma, Gina was born a true trait positive... a one in ten million girl. From the very beginning, Verdus' project, my job, was to make more Ginas. She was my goal, my purpose, my muse. Don't you see... the Hart study was an effort to replicate the unique rybozime in Gina's blood. But the Hart study failed. All of the genetically modified girls died and everybody at Verdus stopped believing in me. Eventually my boss, Verdus' sponsor, said he would be forced to use Gina for himself, for the ceremony. I couldn't replicate Gina, therefore Gina must die. (Dr. Hart takes a pill). And that's why I struck a deal. Emma for Gina. At first I tried to find Emma but she was hiding with her parents. Nobody could find her, not even you guys. But then I tracked down the one person I knew wanted to find Emma as much as I did: Jonas. Heck, he did all the work for me.

==Notes==
* Dr. Hart is drinking an Orange Soda, a clear throw to the Orange Drink of Evil! that has been an on-going LG15 joke.

Girl Tied Up

2008-01-18T22:30:01Z

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| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 400
| image = 400-EmmaScreams.jpg
| caption = Stelllaaa!!!!!
| blogger = Dr. Hart
| date = January 17th, 2008
| url = {{lg15|485}}
| forumid = 15759
| length = 2:12
| description = I had no choice.
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==Transcript==
(''The sound of a door opening and closing is heard. Lights flicker on to show Emma struggling to free herself from a gurney she has been strapped to. She begins to cry as she realizes she's stuck. Dr. Hart appears with a syringe and flicks it''.)

'''Emma:''' No! No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no. Please. No-no-no-no-no-no-no-no! Please don't!

(''Emma yells out as Dr. Hart injects her with the serum. Her struggling stops and Dr. Hart puts his hand on her head as she appears to fall asleep. Dr. Hart pulls up a chair in front of the camera and sits down''.)

'''Dr. Hart:''' This message is to all of you out there calling me insane. (''Emma starts blinking in the background''.) I never had a choice! The ceremony's next week. And I couldn't lost [[Gina]]; I couldn't lose her. She's my best friend. My soul mate. My life wouldn't be worth living without her. [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals|Verdus]] made me a deal: Emma for Gina. One life for another, and save Gina. All [[the Order]] wants is the blood. [[Jonas]], [[Daniel]], I'm sorry. But if you understood everything, you would understand.

'''Emma:''' JONAS!!!

==Notes==
*The question has been raised why Dr. Hart has access to the lonelygirl15 YouTube account. It is possible he forced Emma to tell him the password, or he had access to it when he was living with TAAG.
*There a several spots in the video where the lights flicker, which could be a code.
*There is also speculation that Emma's blinking pattern could be morse code.
*There is a great deal of controversy as to why the [[Creators|Creators]] chose this thumbnail and title, as both could imply something sexual.
*Emma has nice tits.

The Unthinkable Happened

2008-01-16T01:18:19Z

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{{Blog
|name = The Unthinkable Happened
| number = 108
|image = Breesdad.JPG
|caption = Bree's Dad has been caught up in [[cap]] fever
|blogger = Daniel
|date = December 31st, 2006
|url = {{lg15|144}}
|forumid = 4589
|length = 2:53
|description = Daniel here (yeah, yeah on Bree's account... and I put a freeze frame of her so you'd watch... it's important). We caught up to Bree... well... just watch.
| location = [[Minor locations#The Coral Tree Cafe|The Coral Tree Cafe]], [[Minor locations#The Parking Garage|The parking garage]]
|tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|dad|bree|deacon|lucy|order|jonas|jonastko}}


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| song = To Thee We Sing (Rachmaninov) by [http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/kyivchamber-praiselord/ Kyiv Chamber Choir]
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| Previous = Roadtrip
| Next = Bree's Dad Is Dead
}}
{{EpHeader|108}} [[Jonas]] and [[Daniel]] catch up with [[Bree]].

==Transcript==
(''Jonas and Daniel are sitting in a car. The camera is pointed at Jonas, who is in the driver's seat.'')

'''Daniel:''' Woah...

'''Jonas:''' You know what, man, I gotta say that in...you know, your guys's videos, you make this [[four-letter words|shit]] seem... fun?

(''Daniel and Jonas laugh. The camera turns to Daniel's face.'')

'''Daniel:''' Oh yeah.

(''Jonas leans in, towards the camera, and makes a strange noise. The camera turns towards Daniel.'')

'''Daniel:''' What're you doing?

'''Jonas:''' I don't know man, I'm just so frickin' bored. You know, we should've got coffee or donuts, on a stakeout you're supposed to have donuts, right? Isn't that--?

(''Daniel laughs, and the camera turns back to Jonas.'')

'''Jonas:''' At least we'd have something to eat.

'''Daniel:''' We need some donuts, man.

'''Jonas:''' Do you think that we're gonna make it back by New Year's?

'''Daniel:''' You got a--you got a party to go to?

'''Jonas:''' No, I don't have a party, but I, you know, I like the song.

(''Jonas hums "Auld Lang Syne", and Daniel laughs.'')

'''Jonas:''' I bet she knows. Last year, I, uhh, put on a Santa hat--

'''Daniel:''' Yeah?

'''Jonas:''' --and uhh, I think my left sock, and I skated around my buddy's--

(''Daniel laughs.'')

'''Daniel:''' (''Still laughing'') Shut up, dude. Seriously.

'''Jonas:''' The police showed up. I swear man. Look, I am not lying. I would not lie about--

'''Daniel:''' Oh [[four-letter words|shit]]!

(''The camera shows Bree and her father leaving a building. They sit at a table outside. The camera shows the side of Jonas's head.'')

'''Jonas:''' Let's just go get her. She's right there. Let's go get--

'''Daniel:''' Wait! Dude, they're talking. Hang on.

(''The camera turns back to Bree and her father.'')

'''Jonas:''' Why? Who's she--

'''Daniel:''' That's her dad, man. He looks freaked out. Can't just...barge in there.

(''The camera is now looking out the windshield, as Jonas drives after them.'')

'''Daniel:''' Okay, so, Bree and her dad-- They just jumped in the car, they took off. I just want to find out where they're going.

(The camera shows the side of Jonas's head.'')

'''Jonas:''' Do you even know where we are right now?

'''Daniel:''' No. No I--

'''Jonas:''' I have no idea where we are. You sure that that's her dad? I mean--

'''Daniel:''' That's her dad!

'''Jonas:''' (''muttering'') God dammit.

(''The camera shows the car Bree and her father are in again. Cut to the car going around a parking garage. The car drives around. The camera shows Jonas.'')

'''Daniel:''' Where are they going?

(''The camera shows the car driving a little more. Cut to the car parked near the roof.'')

'''Daniel:''' Okay, There's their car.

'''Jonas:''' Cool. Good.

'''Daniel:''' Now we just gotta wait.

'''Jonas:''' Wait?

'''Daniel:''' Yeah.

(''The camera shows Daniel.'')

'''Daniel:''' Yeah, so, we're just sitting around now.

(''The camera sees Bree and her father walking towards their car. A car pulls between them and their car. The camera begins shaking as Daniel and Jonas run towards them. Two people get out of the car, and move towards Bree's father.'')

'''Daniel:''' Bree!

(''To Thee We Sing (Rachmaninov) by [http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/kyivchamber-praiselord/ Kyiv Chamber Choir] plays. Bree runs into Daniel's arms, they turn around, and run back to Jonas's car. A gunshot is heard. Bree screams. The camera turns towards Daniel, who is dragging Bree. All three get into the car.'')

'''Daniel:''' Go, go, go, go!

(''The car drives out of the parking garage, and the screen turns white.'')

==Notes==
* What actually happened in this episode ignited much speculation. See [[What unthinkable happened?]] for an attempt at a logical reconstruction from what we know.
* This is the first video to make use of [[the thumbnail trick]].
* On [[Revver]], the description is only the last sentence of the YouTube description. ("We caught up to Bree... well... just watch.")
* Just as Daniel and Jonas get out of the car, there is a faint thumping sound, which could be heard as a [[helicopter]], possibly belonging to [[the Order]]. The sound then fades to make way for the backing music.
* The garage scene was shot at the Westfield Fashion Square in Sherman Oaks, California. The Sunkist building can been seen across the street.
* During the first part of the video, Bree and her dad are sitting outside the [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9|Coral Tree Cafe in Encino]], as discovered by [[Nikki Bower]].
* Bree's dad was killed in this video. Gemma and Isaac Gilman also died on that day.
* This video is still on [[Gemma]]'s profile.

Help Me Get Charlie

2008-01-13T07:00:49Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

'''{{Blog
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 138
| image = KM0138-GavinShower.jpg
| caption = That feels good after 2 weeks
| blogger = Gavin
| date = December 15th, 2007
| url = {{KM|164}}
| forumid = 473
| length = 3:40
| description = Thanks for posting on my blog - I took your advice on board. You can see me naked in this!
| location = [[Gavin and Charlie's flat]]


| execprod = Miles Beckett and Greg Goodfried
| coexecprod = Joanna Shields and Amanda Goodfried
| assocprod = Cristy Coors Beasley
| serprod = Pete Gibbons
| lineprod = Kelly Brett
| ps = Claire Finbow
| ipa = Jonathan Almond
| pr = Meryl Iona Edwards
| directors = Gavin Rowe{{!}}Gavin Rowe (BigBalls Films)
| headwriter = Luke Hyams
| vidplay = Luke Hyams
| story = Miles Beckett, Luke Hyams, and Hazel Grian
| editor = Yusuf Pirhasan
| song = 'Don't Do Me No Harm' by Beight [http://www.magnatune.com/artists/albums/beight-rhythm]
| cast =
{{VidChar|Gavin}}
{{VidChar|Charlie}}
| Previous = Smells like Xmas spirit
| Next = The Last Time
| PreviousB = Deal with the Devil
| NextB = Grabbed By The Bells
| KM = yes
}}
{{EpHeader|KM=yes|138}}

==Transcript==
(''Gavin is in his room, wearing a robe. He walks to the balcony doors and opens them slightly to look outside. He closes the door and sits down in front of the camera.''.)

'''Gavin:''' (''Sighs, playing with his hair''.) I posted a blog a few days ago asking you guys for some help. Um, to help me get Charlie back. And it was sort of- It was supposed to be like, uh, like a "[[Subservient Lee]]" thing. You know? I was expecting you to say things like, uh... "Dress up as cupid", or, um, "do a Tony Hadley impression", or... And I- I was half expecting somebody to say something like write her a sorry card in my own blood or something. But it wasn't like that. You actually all wrote to tell me just to... sort my life out, and get myself together. (''Sniffs his armpit''.) And you know what? You are absolutely right. So... (''Gets out a piece of paper''.) Stephanie Gibson, Opladybug, Anna, Claire W-, Punk Rock Princess, Kianna F, Lynsey C, Steven P, and- and every one of you out there who care enough about me to actually tell it like it is, thank you. (''Claps his hands together, rubs them, and then gets up to leave''.) Oh, and Darriin F'n Aitch, you need help, mate. Headbutting a girl's never gonna get you anywhere. (''Shakes his head''.)

(''Cut to Gavin in the bathroom as music starts to play. He turns on the shower and tests the temperature with his hand. Gavin throws one sock at a time at the camera and then takes off his robe. In the shower, Gavin holds the curtain as an attempt to hide himself from the camera. He washes his chest and then his leg. Gavin exits the shower with a blue towel around his waist and dries his hair. He puts cream on his nose, balm on his lips, and then puts his robe back on and leans toward the camera''.)

'''Gavin:''' I'm back!

(''Cut to the street outside Charlie's office. The camera catches Charlie leaving''.)

'''Gavin:''' Wish me luck! (''Runs to catch up with Charlie''.) Charlie! Charlie, wait! Hey! Hey, it's me! Charlie!

'''Charlie:''' I don't want to see you or hear about your stupid ideas to win me back, Gav, it's not gonna work. Don't even- No, don't even bother. (''Starts to walk away''.)

'''Gavin:''' No, no. Hey, hey, I know it won't work. I know it won't work. Listen. Listen. You won't hear any stupid ideas from me, okay? I-I-I know I was wrong to try and win you back like that. Just hear me out, okay? (''Charlie shakes her head''.) I acted like a- a complete doughnut, I know. You know? That [[Project Orwell|software]] thing, it had me all upside-down and confused about what was important and what wasn't, but you know, that- that's over now. Yes, I'm sorry I smelt like a rodent carcass, but let me help you f-find those girls. Bullocks to [[Terrence]] and [[Deal with the Devil|the plan]]. Just... Just come home and we can start all over again.

'''Charlie:''' (''Shaking her head''.) It's not gonna work, Gav.

'''Gavin:''' (''Laughs''.) I'll let you keep your socks on...

'''Charlie:''' What?

'''Gavin:''' Honest.

'''Charlie:''' What's the matter with you?

'''Gavin:''' I'm madly in love with you and I don't want you to leave me. Come on, you're not gonna... (''Puts his hand on Charlie's shoulder''.) Make me lock you in my office for a whole weekend so I can get my way again, eh? (''Laughs''.) Come on, just the weekend, and then we'll take it from there. No strings.

'''Charlie:''' One condition.

'''Gavin:''' Name it.

'''Charlie:''' You clean your room, and you take down your [[The List|Wall of Hate]].

'''Gavin:''' Consider it done.

(''Gavin puts his arm around Charlie and the two set off down the street together. The camera pans up to catch Gavin kiss her on the cheek''.)

==Notes==
* This is the first instance of partial nudity in any LG15 video.
* The line "Rodent Carcass" was actually posted in a comment from the user Steven P.

The Ceremony

2008-01-10T04:43:58Z

69.62.148.171: /* Hymn of One */

'''The Ceremony''' is a religious ritual performed by the [[Hymn of One]] and [[the Order]] with a [[Trait positive|Trait Positive girl]]. The Hymn of One's ritual acts as a diguise for the true ritual, performed by [[the Order]].

==The Selection Process==
===Hymn of One===
[[Bree]] is honored from the start that she was chosen for the Ceremony, but never explains how this happened. She eventually learns from her [[Bree's parents#Father|father]] that [[the Order]] selects a pool of young girls who show "potential" at birth. These children are placed in what they call "protected homes" with adoptive parents from within [[the Order]]. When they reach puberty, they single out one to participate.

===The Order===
The true criterion on which girls are selected is whether they are "[[Trait positive|Trait Positive]]", meaning their counts of a special ribozyme are exceptionally high. If that is the case, the girl is abducted as a baby, and placed with parents from the Hymn of One (under the above-mentioned disguise).

==Purpose==
===Hymn of One===
The religious disguise for the Ceremony, the supposed purpose, was never revealed in the series - mostly because Bree didn't know it herself.

===The Order===
The true purpose of the Ceremony is to '''transfuse the blood of a [[Trait positive|Trait Positive]] girl into an [[Elder]], to prolong his life.''' The [[rogue Elder]] claimed in [[What Happened?]] that, while he looked "alright" on the outside, his liver and kidneys were ninety years old.

==Preparations==
===Hymn of One===
For the religious disguise, [[Bree]] had to undergo rigorous preparation for the Ceremony. She had a special [[Bree's diet|diet]], took [[Iron pills|iron supplements]], received [[Bree's injections|injections]] of a then-undisclosed substance, learned the rare language of [[Enochian]] and practiced exercises and walking steps with her new helper [[Lucy]]. The reasons for many aspects of her preparation remain unclear. Her [[Bree's injections|injections]] and [[Iron pills|pills]] in particular had sparked curiosity in many viewers. However, it should be known that the injections were actually used to make Bree trait negative. The iron pills, however, are still a mystery.

In season 2, [[She's Telling The Truth|Emma tells us]] she is preparing by learning a dance that "some people do find weird", as well as "a chant that needs to be recited". Emma, contrary to Bree, talks about being "special" because of her blood, and does know about the blood transfusion procedure - she claims it is called "chelation" and supposed to "build up the health of my blood and strengthen my spirit". She also claims that, after the Ceremony, the Ceremony Girl is taken to a "special place in the mountains, near Sedona" where she "learns all the hidden secrets of the universe".

One should keep in mind, though, that Emma had seen the video of Bree's demise (including the transfusion), and learned about blood traits, ribozymes etc. from Jonas and Daniel. It is thus likely that this is information not usually given to Ceremony Girls, but in fact a unique cover-story to let what she saw and heard look non-threatening and misinterpreted, and to give a reasonable explanation why Bree hasn't been seen since her Ceremony.

===The Order===
For the true purpose of the Ceremony, the blood transfusion, most probably only the injections and pills were important, to further boost her ribozyme levels. This view is supported by the rogue Elder in [[What Happened?]], when, replying to Claire's fear Emma isn't ready yet, he says: "Her ribozymes are up at trait positive levels. Of course, she's ''ready''." - clearly implying that nothing but the ribozyme-levels matter.

==Ritual==
===Hymn of One===
Judging from [[Bree|Bree's]] accounts of the Ceremony, it is held rarely. She and her [[Bree's parents|parents]] considered it a great honor that she was selected to participate in it. Her [[Bree's parents|parents]] themselves were not invited to attend, although they did greatly encourage her participation. Not even [[Bree]] knew exactly what the Ceremony would be like. She imagined that she would have to do the walking steps and use her knowledge of [[Enochian]], but other than that she did not know what to expect.

====The Staged Ceremony====
On October 12th, 2006 a fake Ceremony was held and [[Bree]] posted a video soon thereafter happily stating that it had been a success. [[Daniel]] had followed her to the site of the Ceremony and filmed what he could see of [[The Ceremony]]. It was held outdoors at night in a wooded area and little could be seen clearly except some dimly lit hooded figures, among them was Bree. A few days later Daniel sensed that something was amiss, and eventually Bree confessed that the Ceremony was not the real one, and that she had been persuaded to lie to him about it. [[The Order]] had taken the opportunity to photograph Daniel spying on them, and Bree was remorseful when she found out.

===The Order===
From [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 - 5 pm|hour ten of the season 1 finale]], it appears that the true Ceremony is nothing more than a method of extracting trait-positive blood from young women, a normal patient-to-patient blood transfusion. It was "held" with no special celebration in an underground medical complex owned by the Order, however, in the season 2 episode [[Spreading the Song]], [[Sonia]] asks [[Carl]] "Have you even seen Bree since the Ceremony?" - which ''can'' be understood in a way that implies that there was indeed a religious event held for the occasion, and that the TAAG just missed it.

==Influences==
Given the religious undertones of the series, it is not unlikely that the idea for the Ceremony was in part inspired by real-life religious rituals. Some rituals and beliefs that might have influenced the ideas for the Ceremony are

===Body of Light===
According to [[Crowley]], the {{wikipedia|Body_of_Light|Body of Light}} is not only used for astral travel--but in fact is the storehouse of all experiences. (From Magick Without Tears, Ch. 81):

In [[Aleister Crowley#Magick|Magick]], on the contrary, one passes through the veil of the exterior world (which, as in Yoga, but in another sense, becomes "unreal" by comparison as one passes beyond) one creates a subtle body (instrument is a better term) called the body of Light; this one develops and controls; ''It gains new powers as one progresses, usually by means of what is called "initiation:"'' finally, one carries on almost one's whole life in this [[Body of Light]], and achieves in its own way the mastery of the Universe.

===Gnostic Mass===
[[Aleister Crowley]] wrote The Gnostic Mass—technically called Liber XV or "Book 15"—in 1913 while traveling in Moscow. In many ways it is similar in structure to the Mass of the Roman Catholic Church. However, the comparison ends there, as the Gnostic Mass is a celebration of the principles of [[Thelema]]. The Ceremony calls for five officers: a priest, a priestess, a deacon, and two acolytes, called “children”. The end of the ritual culminates in the consummation of the Eucharist, which is a glass of wine and the host, called a [[Cakes of Light|Cake of Light]], after which the congregate proclaims “There is no part of me that is not of the gods!”

It is the central rite of [[Ordo Templi Orientis]] and its ecclesiastical arm, Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica.

==External links==
*Wikipedia article on {{wikipedia|Body_of_Light|Body of Light}}
*Wikipedia article on {{wikipedia|Liber_XV,_The_Gnostic_Mass|The Gnostic Mass}}
*Hermetic.com article on [http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/gnostic_mass.htm The Gnostic Mass]

{{Bree's religion}}

[[Category:Bree's religion]]

Theories About Characters

2008-01-10T04:35:07Z

69.62.148.171: /* Terrence */

This page is used to post your theories about [[characters]], not including [[ARG]] characters such as [[Tachyon]], [[cassieiswatching|CiW]], etc. You can put anything from what the character's motives are, what they will do in the next video, or even what something from their first video meant.

==lonelygirl15==
===Bree===
*She is a [[moonchild]].
*The Order didn't kill Bree, they made it look like she died so Daniel and Jonas would stop chasing her.
*Bree is not dead, but will not be returning.
*Bree may be [[Kate]]'s biological sister.
*Bree was pregnant when she died
*Bree is in the mountains near Sedona.
*The blogs in which Bree did the ceremony were faked by BDJ (Remember, Daniel is a film school student). This was done to make the Order think that Bree is dead, so Bree could safely hide. (Disproved. Lucy was there.)
*Bree gave her self up to the Order, because she was dying of the the same disease as Gina.

===Daniel===
*[[Daniel]] is working for the order.
*Daniel will fall in love with Sarah.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Daniel was in love with Bree
</td><tr></table>

===The Order===
*[[The Elders]] are the only ones who have information about [[the Order]].
*Though members of the Order are also members of the [[Hymn Of One]], they are two separate factions.
*When the Order attempted to kidnap [[Emma]], they were supposed to kill Jonas as well.
*They didn't use [[the Ceremony]] to lure Emma in because they feared she might have seen the lg15 videos.
*The Order does all of it's out of country business in Mexico because it is weakened by free health insurance, such as that found in Canada.(not serious)
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*The Order performed Bree's ceremony incorrectly, and she was not actually supposed to die.
</td><tr></table>

===Jonas===
*Jonas will become brainwashed by the Order.
*Jonas will fall in love with Sarah.

===Taylor===
*Taylor returns to California to help with Jonas and Daniel to get Sarah back
*[[Taylor]] is a plant by the Order.
*Taylor is not biologically related to [[Sarah]].
*She will use her knowledge of computer hacking to help take down the Order.
*Taylor is with the Order and trying to distract Spencer Gilman.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*She is a [[Watcher]].
</td><tr></table>

===Sarah===
*[[Sarah]] is a plant by the Order.
*Sarah is not related to Taylor by blood.
*Sarah texted the Watchers in the Season 1 Finale.
*She is trait positive and the creepy guy is working with the person who [[Subjects Apprehended|kidnapped Bree, Daniel, and Jonas]].
*Sarah has more than a 'passing interest' in Emma
*Sarah loves Jonas.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Sarah loves Daniel.
*Sarah will become brainwashed by the Order
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Sarah's emotional distress (at the beginning of Season 2) is because she is pregnant. <small>(This could be theoretically true, but the baby could not have been carried to term as Sarah never shows any signs of pregnancy, so it is most likely not''.)</small>
*She is pregnant, and the crash diet of [[Lullaby Project]] food will cause major problems. <small>(Speculation toward Sarah's pregnancy are from her time with [[Gross Guy]]; if she had gotten pregnant at the time, hiding her pregnancy would be very difficult several months afterward.)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Bree's Mom===
*Bree's mother married Drew Avery as a command from [[The Order]].
*Bree's mother is part of [[The Resistance]].

===Drew Avery===
*[[Drew Avery|He]] was never part of the Order.
*He was really working for [[the Resistance]].
*He is still alive.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*He died because he tried to make Bree trait negative (as did [[Isaac Gilman]]).
</td><tr></table>

===Alex===
*She is still with the Order and gave Daniel a fake blood sample.
*After helping the BDJ obtain the blood sample, she was imprisoned or executed for betraying the Order.
*Alex and Lucy are biological sisters

===Jonas's Parents===
*They will be found by Alex and help the Resistance.
*Jonas's mom is the nurse that helped perform Bree's ceremony.
*The family Jonas visited in [[A Family Affair]] are not his real parents.

===Jules===
*Jules is dead.

===Gemma===
*[[Gemma]] was really not part of the Order. They found her and forced her to help them.
*She lied about living in London to protect herself from the Order.
*Everything she says in her blogs is true.
*Gemma is still alive.
*Gemma is Tachyon, and pretended to expose herself as part of the Order so that the Order would not suspect her.
*Gemma is broadcasting herself, post-OpAphid, through the YouTube account GemmaReturns.

===Lucy===
*Lucy did not have knowledge of the Ceremony, and was therefore unable to answer Bree's questions about it.
*After learning the truth about the Ceremony, Lucy is now trying to help TAAG.
*Many Lucy's exist, possibly as an attempt to keep watch over all the girls, and if one should go into another Lucy's area, the girl will feel comfortable, thinking that Lucy is their Lucy.
*Lucy is somehow related to Kate
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*[[Lucy]] is OpAphid or working for them. <small>(The characters Tachyon/OpAphid/Brother cannot legally be used by The Creators)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===The Mistress===
*[[The Mistress]] is a member of the Resistance.
*The Mistress knows Bree.
*The Mistress is Bree's biological mother.
*The Mistress is in the Order and killed Isaac Gilman.
*[[Rebecca]] is the Mistress.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*The Mistress is the girl in "who's that girl?" video
</td><tr></table>

===Rebecca===
*Rebecca is the girl in the photograph with Lucy seen in the video [[Uncle Dan]].
*Rebecca sings the [[Hymn of One]].
*Rebecca staged [[Uncle Dan|the party]] to get information on Bree for OpAphid.

===The Party Guests===
*The party guests from the videos [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] were there to get information about [[BDJ]].
*The "rock star" is the same musician [[Bad Decisions|Gemma dated]].
*Toby is a member of the [[Hymn of One]], just as [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]] are.
*The "rock star" was also a guest of Charlie's birthday party.
*Bree's Real Parents were at the party.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Beth is the mole in [[Deep Throat]]
</td><tr></table>

===Bree's Biological Parents===
*They died and the Order took Bree. (considering that Emma's first adoptive parents died, this is highly likely)
*After Bree was taken from them, they began working for the Resistance.

===Isaac Gilman===
*[[Isaac Gilman]] was Bree's real father.
*He faked his [[The Mistress|death]] after hearing Bree's dad was [[Bree's Dad Is Dead|dead]].
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*He is the specialist who faked his death in Kate Modern.
</td><tr></table>

===Spencer Gilman===
*[[Spencer]] is Bree's brother.
*Spencer is a plant by the order.
*Spencer will finish the task that Bree left for Daniel and Jonas: save the other ceremony girls.
*Spencer will see KateModern and attempt to break back into the Wyman Foundation and steal Kate's blood sample and save her from the ceremony.
*Spencer and Taylor will eventually end up together
*Spencer will appear in KateModern

<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Spencer will no longer appear on Lonelygirl15
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Spencer's role will become more significant in the second season. Since he was able to make the serum, he will have to see Daniel and Jonas again so they can make the Ceremony girls trait negative.
</td><tr></table>

===Nikki Bower===
*She is [[trait positive]]
* She will find purple monkey and the other stuffed animals

===The Watchers===
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*The [[Watchers]] are protecting BDJ, not trying to kidnap them.
</td><tr></table>

===Virgil===
*[[Virgil]] is Emma's biological father.
*[[Virgil]] was the one who shot the shadow when [[BDJ]] were kidnapped in Las Vegas
*[[Virgil]] was the one who was watching over Daniel after he read the email left by Bree
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*[[Virgil]] is not returning.
</td><tr></table>

===Shadows===
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*[[Shadows]] and Watchers are against each other within the HoO. <small>(i.e. LaRezisto vs. Watcher)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===LaRezisto===
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*LaRezisto is working against [[TAAG]].
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*LaRezisto is the man in black outside of Daniel's house. He was responsible for Deep Throat and for Alex's betrayal of the Order. When Bree returned to the Hymn Of One unbrainwashed, LaRezisto contacted her and together, they devised a plan to send the email with code that would notify LR when Daniel had opened the message, showing that he was ready to find the other girls.
*LaRezisto isn't a single person, it is a group similar to the Order, with members all over the world.
</td><tr></table>

===Scott===
*Scott is the [[Gross Guy]].
*Scott was written out of the show.
*The character's name, [[Scott]], was changed to [[Virgil]].
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*[[Scott]] will convince Sarah to rejoin TAAG to save Emma.
*Scott is the [[Watcher]] in [[Stakeout... With A Girl]] that told [[Jonas]] the truth about LaRezisto.
</td><tr></table>

===Emma===
*She has an early bedtime because she has to build up strength for the ceremony.
*She was abducted as a baby (Dr. Griffin explains in [[Dr. Weirdo]] that as a rule, trait positive girls are abducted as babies).
*She took Purple Monkey and the other stuffed friends with her when she left.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*She was adopted by Jonas's parents around age 9 <small>(Jonas's parents disappeared 6 years ago and Emma is now around age 15).</small>
*Emma is dying of the same illness that [[Gina]] has. <small>(While Emma does not seem to be dying, Jonas confirms that her illness is the same as Gina's)</small>
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*She has the power to kill any person who have trait-positive blood, especially the Elders.
*Following the events in [[What Happened?]], Emma will no longer be a main character. <small>(She still makes regular appearances.)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Mallory===
*Mallory is a plant by the order.
*Mallory is trait positive.
*Mallory and Daniel will break up because of Daniel helping the other girls.
*Mallory will break up with Daniel because of Sarah.
*Mallory is using the film school to distract Daniel from fighting the Order.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Mallory is having some sort of relationship with [[Mr. Banks]]/[[Professor DelMundo]].<small>(In the video "[[Hot for Teacher]]",Daniel saw that Mallory had kissed Professor DelMundo .)</small>
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Mallory will see the lg15 videos and help Daniel save the other girls. <small>(She has seen the videos, but continues to not want Daniel to go & fight)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Purple Monkey===
'''Warning! This section really does contains humor. If it's hard for you to deal with that, please [[Special:Random|move along.]]'''
*[[Purple Monkey]] is [[trait positive]]. (PROVEN!)
*Purple Monkey is LaRezisto. (PROVEN!!!!!)
*Purple Monkey will give himself up to protect [[TAAG]]. (PROVEN!!!!!)
*Purple Monkey is awesome! (PROVEN!)
*Purple Monkey was a plant by the [[Order]]. (DISPROVEN: Purple Monkey IS the [[Order]]!)
*Purple Monkey is a reversible hand puppet(Disproven: he the real thing)
*Purple Monkey was made in China(PROVEN!!!!!)
*Purple Monkey will be lost, and found by [[Kate]]
*[[Purple Monkey]] killed [[Gemma]] as revenge for [[Don't Trust The Authorities|insulting him]].
*Purple Monkey's real name is [[Kate]]
*Purple Monkey is in the mountains near Sedona.
*Purple Monkey is in the Hymn of One.(Proven!!)
*Purple Monkey got it from his mama. (PROVEN!!)
*Purple Monkey and Bree had a secret love affair until he cheated on her with Sarah, and then Bree broke it off. (Totally proven.)
*Purple Monkey invented his name to protect himself from the order(Of course that is proven)
*If the above is true, Purple Monkey's real name is Pappa Geppetto Monkey Puppet
*Mallory is cheating on Daniel with Purple Monkey(Figures)
*Purple Monkey is the spy that helped [[Virgil]] hack into [[Jonas Conference Call]](Disproven Purple Monkey not mean)

== KateModern ==
===Kate (Genevieve)===
*[[Kate]] lied about her name to protect herself from someone, possibly the Order. The order is the connection to lg15.
*Kate is the New Girl that [[Alex]] mentioned.
*Kate will join the HoO and Gavin, Tariq, and Charlie will try to save her.
*Kate is a parallel character to Bree.
*Kate may be [[Bree]]'s biological sister.
*The people that wiped Jonas's parents' memories did the same to Kate.
*She is a compulsive/knowing liar and lied about making up the alias Kate.
*Kate will appear in lonelygirl15.
*Kate's body is being harvested for Michelle Clore to transfer into.
*Michelle Clore is Kate's biological sister or mother.
*Kate is a werewolf and had transformed on the night of August 2nd to [[I Can't Remember Anything!|August 3rd]]: this explains her memory loss.
*Reappears with the LIST
*Kate killed Dr. Griffin

<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Kate really is going to America to study art with [[Michelle Clore]] <small>(Proven on her Bebo profile)</small>
*Kate and Bree are twins. <small>(Kate is 19 while, at the time of her death, Bree was only 17)</small>
*Before becoming Kate, she stayed in a mental institution.
*Kate is dead and her spirit is haunting Gavin. <small>(Appears in [[Coming Home for Xmas]].)</small>
*Kate will die, Bree style, in the KM season finale. <small>(She didn't even appear in it...)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Charlie===
*[[Charlie]]'s parents are members of the Order.
*Charlie is Tariq's ex-girlfriend.
*Charlie is Gemma's ex-flatmate
*Charlie is Gemma's sister
*Charlie is a parallel character to Daniel and Taylor.
*Charlie is a parallel character to Sarah.
*Charlie is working for the HoO or, possibly, the Order.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Charlie was once pregnant. <small>(Charlie confirms that Kim is her daughter.)</small>
*Charlie will move in with Gavin after she got evicted.
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Charlie's sister and niece are dead (possibly killed by the Order) and that's why she misses them so much. <small>(Charlie has gone back to Australia to see them)</small>
*Charlie had a falling out with her family and can't return home. <small>(Charlie ran away to London after having Kim)</small>
</td></tr></table>

===Gavin===
*Gavin is a member of the HoO or the Order.
*Gavin is a member of the Resistance.
*Gavin is a parallel character to Jonas, which could mean that he also has connections to the Order.
*Gavin and Tariq will be arrested for making the spy software.
*Gavin had a past involvement with Kate, which has yet to be revealed.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*[[Gavin]] and Tariq are good friends, but he barely knows Kate.
*Gavin will see the lg15 videos and ask Jonas for a loan.
*Gavin kidnapped Kate.(Steve kidnapped Kate in [[Coming Home for Xmas]])
</td><tr></table>

===Tariq===
*Tariq is a parallel character to Daniel.
*Tariq and Gavin will be arrested for making the spy software
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*Tariq's date will have some connection to HoO/The Order
</td><tr></table>
'''Disproven'''
**Tariq and Gavin will be arrested for making the spy software(They were arrested for trying to kill Michelle Clore)

===Steve===
*[[Steve]] is a member of the Order
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Proven'''
*He will use his inside knowledge to help Kate and her friends.
</td><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Steve is a parallel character to [[Alex]]. <small>(Steve's going back to the HoO)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Aunt Joan===
*Aunt Joan is related to Jonas.
*Aunt Joan is the girl from the [[1943 abduction]].

===Sophie===
*[[Sophie]] is working with Nikki Bower.

===Dudley===
*[[Dudley]] and Spencer are half brothers.
*[[The Mistress]] is his mother.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*[[Dudley]] and [[Spencer]] are parallel characters. <small>(Dudley tried and hurt [[Charlie]], [[Tariq]], and [[Steve]])</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Dr. William Griffin===
*He is the Rogue Elder Larezisto works for. (disproven)

===Michelle Clore===
*She is the woman from [[Awful Dream]].
*Michelle Clore is preparing to steal Kate's body and youth.
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Her touch "burned" Kate somehow. <small>(Kate saw "flashes of dreams when she was touched.")</small>
*Michelle Clore is the Rogue Elder.
*Going to be killed in the KM season finale. <small>(Michelle was not killed in the Season Finale of Season 1.)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Julia===
*[[Julia (katemodern)|Julia]] is in [[The Order]]
*Julia works at the Orange Retail Store, which has some connection to the [[Orange Slurpee|Orange Slurpees of Evil]] (PROVEN!!)
*Julia is a parallel character to Mallory

===Kim===
*She is [[Charlie]]'s daughter. <small>(Proven)</small>

===Lee===
*Lee is a parallel character to Spencer
*Lee is a plant by the Order
*Lee will be killed by the Order
*Lee knows where Kate (Genevieve) is
*Lee is trying to lead Tariq, Gavin, and Charlie to Kate (Genevieve)
*Lee will recover the list
*Lee is dead
<table><tr valign="top"><td width="50%">'''Disproven'''
*Lee will sell the spy software to the Order <small>(He intended to return the software at the end of the puzzles but the Order stole it)</small>
</td><tr></table>

===Terrence===
*[[Terrence]] is in the order
*He is a shadow
*Going to be killed (we can only hope)

== See Also ==
[[Unanswered Questions]]
[[Category:Theories and speculation]]

Unanswered Calls

2008-01-10T02:04:25Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

{{Redearth88
| series = Redearth88
| name = {{PAGENAME}}
| number = 0009
| image = 9-gregoryattkins-edited.jpg
| caption = I feel like a fifteen year old girl... and that's not remotely creepy, right?
| blogger = Gregory Atkins (character){{!}}Gregory Atkins
| date = November 20th, 2007
| url = {{youtube|vA-aXa8T2-Q}}
| description = I apologize for using this account to send a message to Clara. I haven't heard from her, and I'm not in Nacogdoches either.
| song =
| tags = {{tags|Maddison|Atkins|maddisonatkins|Clara|Redearth88|SFASU|SFA|Nacogdoches|Gregory|Greg}}
| cast =
{{FakeVidChar|[[Gregory Atkins (character)|Gregory Atkins]]|Brad Maule}}
| Previous = Storyteller
| Next = A GIft
| PreviousB =
| NextB =
}}
==Transcript==

'''Gregory Atkins:''' You know, Clara, I'm amazed how easy technology is these days. I mean, even somebody like me can get a webcam, and we can put it up online; distribute it to the web, and I just... I wanna know what the holdup is.

Ok, I kept a cally of my... I kept a tally of my calls, and I've turned it up to what now: fifteen now? It's fifteen unreturned phone calls?

And, I've tried to find the MySpace video that you talked about, that you posted? Well, I don't know how to find that thing, because it's MySpace; and I don't know how to do that kind of stuff.

But why wasn't it on Maddison's page? I don't know how it turned out, but it was a good idea.

And if it's done, and done well, then it needs to be posted here, if you can; out of respect for me, and my beloved daughter.

So, just please, would you just contact me, please?

I'm bein' backed into a corner, here. And the next steps for me will involve a call to your... to your professor; and potentially, you not graduating from this university.

I'll be in Nacogdoches for the holidays; gonna tie up some loose ends. I gotta go back to Houston. Getting out of Houston is taking me a little longer than expected.

I mean, the house, I may have it a bit overpriced on the market and all that good stuff.

I mean, look at me! I'm like a fifteen year old girl here, just blogging away.

Help me, Clara.

See you soon. Call me back.

==Notes==
* This video does not end with the picture of a vial.
* Gregory's comment about "a 15 year-old girl" may refer to Bree, or a light jab at the Lonelygirl15 series.

[[Category:Brad Maule filmography]]

Storyteller

2008-01-10T01:52:29Z

69.62.148.171: /* Notes */

{{Redearth88
| series = Redearth88
| name = Storyteller
| number = 0008
| image = storyteller.JPG
| caption = Rest in Peace, Maddy.
| blogger = Clara Stokes
| date = November 8nd, 2007
| url = [http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=21662479 Watch on MySpace]
| description = I've been documenting the effect that the brutal murders of Maddison Atkins and Adam Wilmott had on their community.
It seems to me that the story isn't quite over because every time I look closer at the details, mysterious events keep happening.
| song =
| tags = {{tags|advertiser}}
| cast =
{{FakeVidChar|[[Maddison]]|[[Faye Austin]]}}
{{FakeVidChar|[[Adam]]|[[Jason Zednick]]}}
{{FakeVidChar|[[Joel Frady (character)|Joel Frady]]|[[Jason McRoberts]]}}
{{FakeVidChar|Marla|[[Maya Kramer]]}}
{{FakeVidChar|Maddison Fans|Themselves}}
| Previous = Divine Intervention?
| Next = Unanswered Calls
| PreviousB = Myspace Contest
| NextB = Adam Lamar's Pitch
}}
It is also posted on maddisonatkins as '''Tribute'''.
==Transcript==

(''Music Starts: [[Greg Gallows|GregGallows]], ?, AcidFingers, Kellyn, Perky turn on thier cameras'')

'''Marla Singer:''' I knew Maddison.

'''GiddeanX:''' I knew Maddison.

'''xovonchezio:''' I knew Maddison.

'''Ziola:''' I knew Maddison.

'''?:''' I knew Maddison.

'''?:''' I knew Maddison.

'''?:''' I knew Maddison.

'''Brooklynxman:''' Yeah, I knew Maddison.

'''Canadasbaby:''' I knew Maddison...I met her online.

(''Clip from [[What Happened Today Part 1]]'')

'''Maddison:''' Are you filming?

'''Adam:''' No, I was just... checking out some features.

'''Maddison:''' Stop wasting tape!

'''Adam:''' (''Sarcastically'') Hah. Wasting tape.

(''Clip from [[What Happened Today Part 2]]'')

'''Maddison:''' This has been Maddison Atkins reporting to you from the azalea trail in Nacogdoches. (''Smiles'') Back to you Bob. No? Too much? Okay (''Giggles'')

(''Cut to discovery of pigeon'')

'''Adam:''' You have any crackers and bread?

(''Cut to opening of the first note'')

'''Maddison:''' It has my name on it.

(''Cuts back to player videos'')

'''Giddeanx:''' She was like a sister.

'''phipunk:''' She had this incredible spark in her.

'''GregGallows:''' She was innocent and kind.

'''xovonchezio:''' and she was refreshing.

'''Hallows:''' young, sweet and innocent.

'''Ziola:''' She had this aura about her.

'''?:''' She was just an average girl.

'''?:''' Real.

'''?:''' She was very brave.

'''?:''' A fire cracker.

'''Marla Singer:''' Tragically Famous.

'''?:''' and funny.

'''Aja:''' She was the shit.

'''Perky:''' She was perky.

'''AcidFingers:''' She was so young.

'''micfranxon:''' She was the kind of person who would go out of her way to help someone.

'''Brooklynxman:''' She was unique.

'''Kellyn:''' She was smart.

'''CanadasBaby:''' just like us.

'''?:''' She was so friendly.

'''LimePeng1:''' A good person.

'''Julie:''' She was everyone's friend.

(''Clip of Maddison plays while audio continues. Clips from [[A little help from Whiskey]] and [[Summary (April 20th)]]'')

'''Kellyn:''' She was funny, she was excentric.

'''?:''' She was amazing.

(''On Screen'')

'''Maddison:''' There is something in this note.

(''Off Screen'')

'''?:''' She was charismatic.

'''SonofaStitch_PJ:''' She was so compelling.

'''Milowent:''' She was out of my league.

(''On Screen'')

(''Adam reads.'')

'''Maddison:''' Show off.

(''Off Screen'')

'''Virginian9000:''' She was full of life.

'''Virginian9000's wife:''' She had a big heart.

'''Elixir:''' Dedicated, caring.

'''?:''' innocent.

'''ApotheosisAZ:''' She was in way over her head.

(''Maddison clip finishes'')

(''On screen'')

'''?:''' I tried to help her...

'''xovonchezio:''' I tried to help her...

'''?:''' and I tried to help...

'''Ziola:''' I tried my best to help her...

'''?:''' but...

'''?:''' I couldn't...

'''Brooklynxman:''' I couldn't...

'''Marla Singer:''' I couldn't...

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''GiddeanX:''' I miss her.

'''xovonchezio:''' I miss her.

'''Ziola:''' and I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''Aja:''' I miss her, so much.

'''CanadasBaby:''' I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''MarlaSinger:''' I miss her.

(''Clip of Maddison plays while audio continues'')

(''Off Screen'')

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''ApotheosisAZ:''' I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her.

'''Virginian9000:''' I really miss her.

'''Elixir:''' I miss her.

'''?:''' I miss her, alot.

(''Clip ends'')

(''On screen'')

'''Julie:''' But maybe there is something I can do now, to help her.

'''Acidfingers:''' Maybe there is something I could do now.

'''Perky:''' too help her.

'''phipunk:''' I wish I could help her.

'''GregGallows:''' to help her.

'''?:''' to help her.

'''Julie:''' to avenge her death.

'''Marla Singer:''' If you can help.

'''GregGallows:''' If you can help.

'''?:''' If you can help.

'''AcidFingers:''' If you can help.

'''Aja:''' If you can help.

'''xovonchezio:''' If you can help.

'''micfranxon:''' If you can help.

'''Canadasbaby:''' If you can help.

'''?:''' If you can help.

'''Julie:''' If you can help.

'''Ziola:''' If you can, help.

(''Footage from [[No More]] plays'')

'''Adam:''' That was a long drive.

'''Maddison:''' Yeah, it was.

(''Adam gets out of the car, Maddison -- still holding the camera -- gets out of the car as well, and places the camera on the roof of the car while she closes the car door. The view from the camera shows a trailer or a single-story house. The front door is open'')

'''Maddison:''' Oh, I know. Do you have the keys?

'''Adam:''' (''off-camera'') Yes ma'am.

(''Maddison closes the car door and walks off towards the right of the camera. After a few seconds, we see Adam enter from the right of the camera with a small black sports bag'')

'''Maddison:''' (''off-camera'') Got it?

'''Adam:''' Yup. (''holds hands out indicating the area'') This is Uncle Joe's! (''sound of car door or trunk closing'')

(''A man enters from the front door with his hands behind his back.'')

'''Maddison:''' (''still off-camera'') Hey!

(''The man, still standing in front of the doorway to the house, puts his right hand next to his side. He is holding a gun. Adam drops his bag and starts running back to the right of the camera'')

'''Adam:''' Maddison, run!

(''The man aims the gun and shoots. Someone -- possibly Maddison -- screams'')

'''Maddison:''' Adam!

(''The man walks toward the camera and aims towards the ground off to the right of the camera. He shoots again, twice. Maddison screams. The man walks off-camera to the right. Maddison then enters the camera's view, running on from the left of the camera and then off to the right. The man appears from the left of the camera, stops right in the center of view, aims, and shoots. He walks off to the right of the camera. We hear two more gunshots.'')

(''Image of a red vial labeled [[redearth88]] and a voice saying, "Amblyopianne, the universe is wider than our views of it."'')

==Notes==
This video was submitted to myspace as an entry in their Storyteller competition.

When posted on YouTube, the film of Maddison and Adam's murders were removed and replaced with more people.

[[Category:Faye Austin filmography]]
[[Category:Jason Zednick filmography]]
[[Category:Jason McRoberts filmography]]

Flock Story So Far Recaps

2007-12-19T06:00:27Z

69.62.148.171: /* Cynthia */

=Season 1=

==Alessandra==
In "[[Re: Horror Movies vs Horror Films...]], her friend [[CynnamonDolce|Cynthia]] invited her to a night out on the town with their other friends [[Other Chosen Flock Characters#Paul|Paul]], Holly, Dawn, and Pete. Alessandra snuck out and returned early the next morning, certain that her parents were none the wiser.

It wasn't long after that she gained an Advisor (in "My 'Advisor'") named [[Other Chosen Flock Characters#Sophie|Sophie]]. She describes a test Sophie made her take that told her she would grow up to become a elected official, CEO, investment banker, [[Helper|helper]], or special effects makeup artist.

Alessandra submitted a video for [[TwinklyDiamonds|Chandra]] and [[aaalondra|Alondra]]'s "It" Girl Video Challenge. She did not make it in... in fact, she got the lowest score.

Alessandra she released a rather artsy video called "Listen to My Story" which contained a message for Cynthia claiming that "SOPHIE WATCHES ALL".

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Paul takes Alessandra on the run with him after an attempt on Cynthia's life by the Hymn of One.

==Liandra==
Li starting posting video blogs in order to make friends. She says that because of the strictness of her Religion, she is not allowed to play or associate with people of different faiths. She does mention this one girl she used to play with when she was younger, but her parents didn't let her come over anymore.

She feels no bitterness towards her religion, and is very devoted to her faith, going as far as to make a video ("Listen") about her "Eternal Song." She is always trying to make a difference by reaching out to others, but is given the cold shoulder on offering [[aaalondra|Alondra]] a sponsorship into the Hymn of One.

She auditioned for and was accepted into [[TwinklyDiamonds|Chandra]] and Alondra's clique. At first she was really excited, but then was burdened by the daily tasks that are assigned to her.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Li reveals that she is done with the clique, frustrated by the "negative notes" it gave her song. Despite this, she did express concern over Alondra's well-being after hearing about her accident.

She also questions the identity of the mysterious [[ShepherdX]], and reveals some information about the flock and the Shen Ring (The Flock Symbol).

==Betz==
Betz was once part of a religion that made her deal with certain things in a certain way. Eventually she got fed up and left, and found enlightenment in the Hymn of One. At first she was worried about how her family would react, but to her immense pleasure they converted with her. Her father, who had been previously out of work, was provided vocational training and started a successful career. She herself got a Hymn of One scholarship so she could pay for college.

Betz posted several Vlogs telling about how the Hymn of One as enriched her family's life. (As well as a love of Nascar). She also tells of her husband, Mike, who is a world-renowned psychiatrist.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Betz finds a CD of what she believes is songs she recorded at a friend's house. It turns out to contain files on patients Mike has treated, including a two people named [[Daniel]] and [[Cassie|Cassandra]] out in California, and her sister Sandra. She is disturbed to learn that Sandra's recieving some sort of treatment with brain alteration and change in personality. She confronts Mike about this, but he simply tells her to Sing her Eternal Song." Betz angrily responds: "I Will ''Not'' Sing My Eternal Song!"

==Alondra==
Alondra is very confident in herself (some may say conceited). She brags at her gift for playing instruments and writing lyrics, but is distressed over her poor vocals. She expresses a desire to be like her idol, [[Other Chosen Flock Characters#Finn|Finn]].

At the end of her first video, she asks on how to join the Hymn of One. Although she was repeatedly offered a sponsorship into the religion by [[Lostgrl17|Liandra]], she joined the Hymn of One through the help of [[TwinklyDiamonds|Chandra]], a girl with even more cockiness then Alondra.

After joining, Alondra was flooded with friend requests. She and Chandra staged "the IT Girl Challenge", which was designed to separate the worthy from the geeky. While several girls won into her little clique, she seemed to be bossing around Li the most. Making her perform tasks that she is too lazy to do.

She apparently got a record contract through the Hymn of One and flew to LA to record her first album with Finn. Before she left she expressed her concern over whether she should perform a publicity stunt recommended by the Hymn of One to further her career.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, she was involved in a car accident, and rushed to hospital. This is speculated to be the publicity stunt arranged to promote her album, or possibly could be a punishment for refusing to do the publicity stunt. Either way, her debut single, "Eternal" topped the charts the week of it's release. Alondra was unable to enjoy this, as she was secretly transfered from the hospital to an unknown location.

==Chandra==
Chandra is conceited and believes that the spot for the Ceremony is obviously hers because she is better than all the other girls. She is incredibly spoiled, and is getting any car she wants from her father as a bonus for doing the Ceremony. She is more than qualified, having had a [[helper]] for five years.

She decides to sponsor [[aaalondra|Alondra]] into the religion, finding her "an interesting girl" (As well as Seizing an opportunity to gloat on how she's been to the Celebrity Centre.) The Two later decide to form a clique, using "the IT Girl Challenge." Though many girls are chosen, She and Alondra put the bulk of their "clique responsibilities" on [[lostgrl17|Liandra]].

In late August, her youtube account was swiped clean. Days later her Revver and Myspace accounts also were wiped clean or deleted.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, It is revealed that Chandra has, in fact, been chosen to do the ceremony. She completed the ceremony, and almost died, until the mysterious [[ShepherdX]] apparently saved her at the last second.

==Cynthia==
Cynthia loves to party, and is always sneaking out to go to parties and night clubs (She quit college because she got bored of it). She is always up to trying new things, including being a contestant on the reality show ''Big Brother''.

Before Cynthia met Alessandra, she was always terrified of horror movies, but after being reassured by Alessandra, she wasn't scared anymore and soon became a huge fan of them. They became close friends and Cynthia was saddened when Alessandra moved away.

In ''Re: Horror Movies vs Horror Films...'', Cynthia invited Alessandra to sneak out to a club, which she did. However, in ''My Advice Is Better Than Sophie's!'' Cynthia explained how she got caught, and was grounded. She also expresses amusement over the career test results Alessandra recieves.

She also invited Alessandra to a sleepover, which she didn't attend, which Cynthia worried about in ''Where Are You?''. After recieving Alessandra's hidden message in [[Listen to my story]], she explained how her father had unexpectedly lost his job, whilst signing that the message had been "UNDERSTOOD".

In ''Movie Time!'' she invited Alessandra to watch her perform in a coffee shop. However, in the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, the coffee shop was closed, and it was revealed a [[Watcher]] tried to kill Cynthia, causing her to now be on the run with her boyfriend, Matt.

==Sandra==
Sandra was very voung when her family converted to the Hymn of One, so she was practically raised in it. Sandra is extremely obediant to her religion and has lots of fun doing it.

Sandra was accepted into a very exclusive summer camp. She is very excited about this in ''Hey Everyone!'', and is eager to meet new people and have a blast at camp.

On the summer solstice, Betz lost contact with Sandra. She was worried until Sandra posted the video ''Camp is the Word'', where she is safely at summer camp. Betz is concerned over her sister's bizarre behavior, as she seems to be in some sort of trance until the last few seconds where she asks someone off-screen if there's any pizza left.

After leaving camp, Betz's husband [[Other Chosen Flock Characters#Mike|Mike]] took Sandra to Los Angeles to the Hymn of One Center for a retreat.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, it is revealed that Sandra is one of Mike's patients, and has undergone brain-alteration which has resulted in change of personality. The reasons behind the tests remain unknown.

=Season 2=

==Cynthia==
In [[What's Been Going On]], Cynthia says how she stayed away for a few weeks, and then returned home to investigate the coffee shop. She finds it links to [[Michelle Clore]]. She goes to investigate this at [[Kate]]'s art show, but instead found herself in the middle of an attack from [[Dudley]]. She escaped unharmed, and she also met [[Sophie]] there, but was happy to see that it was not the same Sophie that had been torturing Alessandra. [[Category:The Flock]]

==Alessandra==
Alessandra finally posted a video after a long time of silence titled [[We're Safe]], where she reveals how she's still on the run with [[Paul]]. She also made her first post in the forums, talking about MySpace, Bebo, and Facebook.

Other Chosen Flock Characters

2007-12-19T05:48:48Z

69.62.148.171: /* Sophie */

== Finn ==
{{FlockPersonMini
| name = Finn
| image = FinnNews.jpg
| first = [[A Video About Myself]]
| last = [[Short Changed]]
| actor =
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'''[[Finn]]''' first seen in [[Uncle Dan]] is a musician that took, under the direction of the Order, [[Alondra]] under his wing and produced her CD. After her "accident" he released a statement wishing her well while also announcing the CD's release date.
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==Paul==
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'''Paul''' is [[Alessandra]]'s friend. It is often hinted by [[CynnamonDolce|Cynthia]] that he may have feelings for Alessandra. Paul has been portrayed as pathetic and meek, mostly by Cynthia's analysis of him.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Paul takes Alessandra on the Run from the Order after an attempt on Cynthia's life. According to Cynthia, he sounded scared when she told him of the failed attempt, and she felt he knew something she didn't.
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== Sophie ==
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'''Sophie''' is [[Alessandra]]'s advisor. She is very strict, and monitors Everything Alessandra does. She makes Alessandra focus on her future over friends, and ultimately results in Alessandra stop communicating with Cynthia. Cynthia once believed Sophie to be the same Sophie who follows around Kate, but this was disproved at the art show fiasco.
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== Mike ==
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'''Mike''', [[Betz281|Betz]]'s husband, is a world reknown psychiatrist whose work takes him all around the world.

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, It is revealed that Mike has treated [[Daniel]] and [[Cassie]]. It is also revealed that he's been treating Betz's sister [[Grainofsandra|Sandra]] and using questionable and dangerous practices.
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== Ash Pitasooze ==
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'''Ash Pitasooze''' is the trusted anchor of GNN news. He reports on Alondra's car accident in the the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale.
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== Chrysandra, Allison and Mina ==
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[[Chrysandra]], [[Flowersonmyhat|Allison]] and Mina were all friends of [[lostgrl17|Liandra]] and part of thechosenflock MySpace who have all mysteriously disappeared. Chrysandra and Mina have deleted or cleaned out all their accounts, while Allison posted a goodbye video.

In the [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Li asks them to come back, saying she misses them very much.
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==Parents of the Flock Girls==
===Alessandra's parents: Mr. and Mrs. Cotswold===
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===Li's parents===
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'''Li's parents''' are mentioned as being skeptical over the legitimacy of online friendships. Her parents do not seem to favor their daughter interacting with those outside their faith, as demonstrated by the time they forbid Li from playing with a friend when she was very young.

Not much has been revealed about them in videos, but Li has mentioned her parents frequently in video comments. She says that they are constantly trying to encourage her to become a better public speaker.
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===Betz and Sandra's parents===
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'''Betz and Sandra's parents''' are also converts to the Hymn of One. Before, according to Betz, her father was out of work. The Hymn of one arranged for him to recieve vocational training and helped him start a new career. He seems to have been successful, as he is acquainted with a company CEO and was able to enter the pit of a Nascar Race.
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===Alondra's parents===
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'''Alondra's parents''' are are usually mentioned regarding a complaint by their daughter. Her mom thought she was a prodigy at the piano, and instilled in her the dream to be a famous musician. Her dad is infamous for her middle name: "Alondra".

In the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, Alondra's mother is mentioned in an article regarding her daughter, requesting that the press respect her family's privacy.
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===Chandra's parents===
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'''Chandra's parents''' are only mentioned once, and her mother is never mentioned at all. Her father is apparently well off, as he found it fit to get her a new car in honor of the Ceremony and throwing her a huge party without money being an issue.
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===Cynthia's parents: Mr. and Mrs. Davis===
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'''Cynthia's parents''' frown upon their daughter's party lifestyle, but are not willing to do much about it. (Cynthia quit college because she got bored, and her parents seem to have no problem with it). According to Cynthia, her mother is "only qualified to be a housewife", though she took a job at a coffee shop. Her father had a job, but was mysteriously fired, which led him to be depressed. The Coffee Shop that Mrs. Davis works at (later revealed to be owned by [[Michelle Clore]]) hired Cynthia to perform there.

However, in the Flock [[5on5: Everything Changes|5on5]] Season Finale, The Coffee shop was visited by a man fitting the description of a [[Watcher]] (posing as an inspector). When he wasn't looking, Mrs. Davis dug through his bag and found leaflets for the Hymn of One. The Man was hosipalized after being exposed to radium "found" in the Coffee shop, suggesting there had been a foiled attempt on Cynthia's life.

==IT Challenge Answer Girls==
===[[Schneidz124]]===
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'''Schneidz124 a.k.a. Kelsey''' is one of the girls who responded to Chandra and Alondra's "It" Girl Challenge. She very desperately wants to be part of what she considers the "prestigious clique" that is the Flock.
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[http://www.youtube.com/Schneidz124 Schneidz124 on Youtube]
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===angeline33===
===DTayl===
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'''DTayl a.k.a. Danielle''' is the winner of Chandra and Alondra's "It" Girl Challenge (But, according to Alondra, it was scored on a curve). She comes off as very polite but also insults people with a smile.
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[http://www.revver.com/u/DTayl DTayl on Revver]
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===SandyTravels===
===meepersanonymous===

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I'll Do Whatever It Takes

2007-12-12T21:01:57Z

69.62.155.41: /* Notes */

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'''Mallory:''' [[Daniel]], I'm so sorry. (''Starts to cry''.) I c- I don't even know what to say right now. I just- I'm just so... sorry. I understand why you're not taking m-m-my calls, and why you don't want to talk to me, but... Please? Please? (''Sobs''.)

Daniel, I never slept with him or anything. I swear to you. Please believe me. It was just that one kiss. The one [[Hot for Teacher|you saw]]. And there was... And there was one other time. But that's it. I promise you. [[Professor DelMundo|Ray DelMundo]] means nothing to me. You- You mean ''everything'' to me. (''Sobs''.)

I never meant to hurt you, Daniel. I just- I have this problem where, for some reason, when something in my life goes perfect, I just do something to screw it up. And my life was perfect with you. I mean, you make me s-s-so h-happy. And I don't know w-why I did what I did. I mean, I- I think I need to see, like, a shrink or something. I r- I really do.

But I'm not speaking to Ray anymore. And I miss you so much. Please give me another chance.

(''Mallory paces around the room''.) You're probably not even gonna watch this. (''Grabs the camera and sits on the bed''.)

I've been thinking about it. About why I could do something so incredibly stupid to someone I care about so much. A lot of it has to do with my father. He was just- Nothing I ever did was good enough for him, you know? I mean, I got straight A's, I was head cheerleader, I didn't drink, I didn't do drugs... But he always found something to judge me for. Always. And when DelMundo was... Look, I'm not trying to make up excuses for myself, Daniel, I swear. I'm just- I'm just trying to figure this out.

I know a lot of you hate me right now. I understand. I hate what I did, too. Which is why I'm going to put this in your hands. You vote. And whatever the majority decides, I'll go with. So, if you think that Daniel shouldn't take me back, then I won't bother him any more. But if you think that he should take me back, please tell him.

Okay, so I set up a poll on the forum. (''Shrugs''.) "Yes" means Daniel should take me back. "No" means I walk away. Thanks.

==Notes==
* [http://lg15.com/lonelygirl15/forum/viewtopic.php?f=163&t=15282 Forum poll thread]
*Wookie thinks we all should vote yes

Killers at the Door?!

2007-12-01T06:55:44Z

69.62.155.41: /* Notes */

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(''Begins abruptly, with the camera in motion, while someone hammers on a door.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''frantically'') Where's your suitcase?

(''Camera pulls back and shows the motel room, with Dr. Hart pulling something from underneath a bed. A man outside the door is yelling in Spanish and pounding on the door, which continues through most of the video.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' It's right here!

'''Man at door:''' (''in Spanish, unintelligible'')

(''Dr. Hart puts a briefcase or suitcase on the bed.'')

'''Jonas:''' Open it! Come on, man!

'''Dr. Hart:''' ....won't open...

'''Man at door:''' (''unintelligible'') ...''buscando!''

'''Jonas:''' Faster!

'''Man at door:''' (''unintelligible'') ...''su gente!''

(''Case on bed opens.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Okay... all right...

(''Camera moves to show Dr. Hart, then Jonas.'')

'''Jonas:''' Hey, what are you doing?

(''Shot moves back to case with papers spilling out of it. Man at door continues banging very loudly on door and yelling unintelligibly in Spanish during following dialogue.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Gonna (''unintelligible'') the documents (''unintelligible'') we can find what we want though...

'''Jonas:''' Just, this one's (''unintelligible'')...

'''Dr. Hart:''' (''unintelligible'') ...have it... is there a (''unintelligible'') online where we can hide the tape or something (''unintelligible'') if they kill us someone will know.

'''Jonas:''' Okay, come on, come on, come on, hurry! ''Vamonos, vamonos!'' (''They finish stuffing the papers into the case and close it.'') All right, good. Head for the bathroom. Try the window! Try the window!

(''Dr. Hart runs into the bathroom, climbs up to the small window, rattles it.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' It won't open! I can't fit! (''He gets in the bathtub. Jonas runs into the bathroom.'')

'''Jonas:''' Get in. Yeah, okay. (''He shuts the bathroom door and leans on it, very out of breath.'') Someone's at our door, think it's the hotel manager, but he had somebody with him. I think it's part of the people from [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals|Verdus]], right? (''Looks toward Dr. Hart.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' How did they find us, how-how the hell are we gonna get out of here?

'''Jonas:''' I don't know, man, just, uh, just don't panic, okay?

'''Dr. Hart:''' (''terrified'') You don't know what these people can do!

'''Jonas:''' Okay, but just don't panic! Stay cool! Shhh. (''listens at the door'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Don't open it! Jonas!

(''Jonas opens the bathroom door and runs out into the room, with Dr. Hart following him. Emma is lying on the bed, pale and apparently unconscious, with a man standing over her, pointing at her.'')

'''Jonas:''' Emma! (''Kneels on bed beside her.'')

'''Man''' (who had been) '''at door:''' ''No se que-- que-- que le paso! De repente se'' (''unintelligible''), ''no se!'' (''Translation: "I don't know what-- what-- what happened to her! Suddenly she ... I don't know!"'')

'''Jonas:''' (''quietly to Emma, touching her face'') Hey.

==Notes==
-Emma was able to make it to Mexico through teleportation

Killers at the Door?!

2007-12-01T06:55:20Z

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==Transcript==
(''Begins abruptly, with the camera in motion, while someone hammers on a door.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''frantically'') Where's your suitcase?

(''Camera pulls back and shows the motel room, with Dr. Hart pulling something from underneath a bed. A man outside the door is yelling in Spanish and pounding on the door, which continues through most of the video.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' It's right here!

'''Man at door:''' (''in Spanish, unintelligible'')

(''Dr. Hart puts a briefcase or suitcase on the bed.'')

'''Jonas:''' Open it! Come on, man!

'''Dr. Hart:''' ....won't open...

'''Man at door:''' (''unintelligible'') ...''buscando!''

'''Jonas:''' Faster!

'''Man at door:''' (''unintelligible'') ...''su gente!''

(''Case on bed opens.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Okay... all right...

(''Camera moves to show Dr. Hart, then Jonas.'')

'''Jonas:''' Hey, what are you doing?

(''Shot moves back to case with papers spilling out of it. Man at door continues banging very loudly on door and yelling unintelligibly in Spanish during following dialogue.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Gonna (''unintelligible'') the documents (''unintelligible'') we can find what we want though...

'''Jonas:''' Just, this one's (''unintelligible'')...

'''Dr. Hart:''' (''unintelligible'') ...have it... is there a (''unintelligible'') online where we can hide the tape or something (''unintelligible'') if they kill us someone will know.

'''Jonas:''' Okay, come on, come on, come on, hurry! ''Vamonos, vamonos!'' (''They finish stuffing the papers into the case and close it.'') All right, good. Head for the bathroom. Try the window! Try the window!

(''Dr. Hart runs into the bathroom, climbs up to the small window, rattles it.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' It won't open! I can't fit! (''He gets in the bathtub. Jonas runs into the bathroom.'')

'''Jonas:''' Get in. Yeah, okay. (''He shuts the bathroom door and leans on it, very out of breath.'') Someone's at our door, think it's the hotel manager, but he had somebody with him. I think it's part of the people from [[Verdus Pharmaceuticals|Verdus]], right? (''Looks toward Dr. Hart.'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' How did they find us, how-how the hell are we gonna get out of here?

'''Jonas:''' I don't know, man, just, uh, just don't panic, okay?

'''Dr. Hart:''' (''terrified'') You don't know what these people can do!

'''Jonas:''' Okay, but just don't panic! Stay cool! Shhh. (''listens at the door'')

'''Dr. Hart:''' Don't open it! Jonas!

(''Jonas opens the bathroom door and runs out into the room, with Dr. Hart following him. Emma is lying on the bed, pale and apparently unconscious, with a man standing over her, pointing at her.'')

'''Jonas:''' Emma! (''Kneels on bed beside her.'')

'''Man''' (who had been) '''at door:''' ''No se que-- que-- que le paso! De repente se'' (''unintelligible''), ''no se!'' (''Translation: "I don't know what-- what-- what happened to her! Suddenly she ... I don't know!"'')

'''Jonas:''' (''quietly to Emma, touching her face'') Hey.

==Notes==
Emma was able to make it to Mexico through teleportation

Groping in the Dark

2007-11-14T04:53:24Z

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==Transcript==
(''Opens with a black screen.'')

'''Jonas:''' [[Daniel]], what the hell happened to you, man? The guy came out, and you were inside, and you had the keys to our car!'''

'''Sarah:''' Yeah, and we were still snooping around in his truck!

'''Jonas:''' Yeah, so we hid in here, and then we're locked in! And, I dunno, we're somewhere-- on the road somewhere, I dunno.

'''Sarah:''' Do you have the night vision on?

'''Jonas:''' Uhh...(''Turns night vision on'') yeah. (''Pans camera from self to Sarah.'')

'''Sarah:''' Look, all I'm saying is you better be following us because we have no idea where we are.

(''Camera pans to show stacks of boxes in the back of the truck'')

'''Sarah:''' (''Whispering'') So freaking ridiculous! (''Camera goes back to Sarah.'')

'''Jonas:''' You look really weird.

(''Scene cuts. A truck horn blares in the background. The camera turns on showing a box labeled "[[Lullaby Project]]." The date and time shown in the lower right corner reads "FRI 11/09/07 3:37 PM." Jonas is opening boxes.'')

'''Sarah:''' Jonas, you don't have to open all of them, they're exactly the same.

(''Each box contains liquid [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose glucose], a syringe, and vials of vitamin B12, also known as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanocobalamin cyanocobalamin].)

'''Jonas:''' (''rummaging through a box'') Vitamin B12...huh.

(''Scene cuts. Date and time reads "SAT 11/10/07 5:02 AM."'')

'''Jonas:''' FOURTEEN HOURS.

'''Sarah:''' (''off-camera'') How about we play charades?

'''Jonas:''' I'm hoping that sooner or later we're gonna find a Wi-Fi signal somewhere.

'''Sarah:''' (''off-camera'') Helen Keller charades...

'''Jonas:''' And then I'll send this out. When I can.

'''Sarah:''' You can't really play with visuals. You can't see anything. So I guess we'll play by touch.

'''Jonas:''' Sarah, (''poked by Sarah'') OW! Sarah!

'''Sarah:''' Sounds like...

'''Jonas:''' Yeah, hopefully you will get this, and then you'll find us before the bad guys do, or before (''points camera toward self'') I kill Sarah.

(''Sarah pretends to hang herself. Truck stops short and Sarah and Jonas are thrown by the force.'')

'''Sarah:''' Ow!

'''Jonas:''' (''whispering'') Where are you?

'''Sarah:''' I'm over here.

'''Jonas:''' (''whispering'') Where?

(''Scene cuts. Jonas drink the last of a bottle of liquid glucose.'')

'''Jonas:''' Great. Another one's empty.

(''Camera shows Sarah. Date and time reads "SUN 11/11/07 12:02 PM."'')

'''Jonas:''' Oh, I have great news for everyone, too. SOMEONE left the camera on, and now it barely has any power.

'''Sarah:''' I didn't leave the camera on.

'''Jonas:''' (''mumbling'') Yeah, you did. Would you shut that (''referring to the laptop'')? We need it to look for a signal.

'''Sarah:''' I told you, the penlight is dead and I can't sit here in the dark for another hour.

'''Jonas:''' Yeah, well we're gonna BE in the dark if that thing dies, and then we'll never find a signal.

'''Sarah:''' Fine (''shuts laptop'').

(''Scene cuts. Date and time reads "SUN 11/11/07 11:17 PM." Jonas appears tired and Sarah seems to be trying to sleep. Scene cuts again. Date and time reads "MON 11/12/07 9:03 AM." Jonas is rummaging through another box and finds what appears to be a food bar of some sort. He waves it at the camera and he and Sarah laugh.'')

'''Sarah:''' Food! Or something like it.

(''Scene cuts to dark'')

'''Jonas:''' You okay?

'''Sarah:''' I can't be in here anymore! I can't be in here anymore, I can't be in here anymore, I can't be in here anymore! (''Keeps repeating with escalating volume.'')

'''Jonas:''' Sarah!

(''Night vision turns on. Date and time reads "MON 11/12/07 10:07 PM."'')

'''Sarah:''' (''screaming'') Let me out! Let me out! I can't be here!

'''Jonas:''' (''while physically restraining Sarah'') Yes, you can, listen to me--

'''Sarah:''' (''crying'') No!

'''Jonas:''' Breathe, breathe. You're okay, I'm right here, breathe! In, out. You're okay! I'm right here with you, I'm right here, we're gonna get out of here.

'''Sarah:''' (''crying'') I can't be here anymore.

(''Scene cuts. Date and time reads "TUE 11/13/07 9:00 AM." Jonas is opening the laptop.'')

'''Jonas:''' Alright, I found a WiFi signal. It's really faint, but I think it's gonna work. I have no idea where we are, but when you get this, I don't know, maybe...maybe you can figure out where we are. I don't know what's gonna happen when that door opens, but uh...wish us luck.

==Notes==
*Jonas and Sarah have spent approximately 90 hours, almost 4 days, in the van at the time of this upload.
*The question of the whereabouts of bowel movements and urination is left unanswered in this video, as having been in the truck for 4 days both would have inevitably happened.
*Only ONE airhole is seen in this whole video. Scientifically speaking if Jonas and Sarah had not had that airhole, and for the number of boxes in the truck, and for 4 days, they would have suffocated. Also, human beings can last only 3 days without water. Its a mystery how they were able to survive for so long. - Edit: They were seen drinking something, which must have counted as water.

User:Jonpro/Xwestsidex

2007-11-04T10:41:50Z

69.62.237.121:

<span class="plainlinks">The following is my attempt to explain the "xwestsidex" situation to anyone who was not around when it began or was not aware that it was happening. I attempt here to be as objective as possible, but obviously I am biased toward defending myself, so I provide as many links of edits as possible to prove my point. My purpose is solely informative and this should not be construed as an attack on anyone.</span>

<span class="plainlinks">It all started back on April 5, 2007, with the video [[Lying Bastards]], when [[User:Xwestsidex]] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=&page=Image%3AMmm...fish+taco.JPG uploaded] "Image:Mmm...fish taco.JPG". Immediately after, Xwestsidex [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=prev&oldid=33225 added] the image to [[Lying Bastards]]. Next, he [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33225 added] a caption. [[User:Misty]] shortly afterwards [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=prev&oldid=33234 changed] the caption to something else. The next day, the action broke out again when Misty [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33339 modified] the caption somewhat and Xwestsidex [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33340 changed] it as well (note that [[Special:Contributions/152.163.100.209|152.163.100.209]] is Xwestsidex's IP). It was then changed a [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33348 couple] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33349 times] by [[User:Chelseyrl]] and Misty. Sensing that this could be a problem, I [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk%3ALying_Bastards&diff=33353&oldid=33261 posted] a comment on [[Talk:Lying Bastards]] in an attempt to resolve the issue. A lengthy discussion followed, after which a compromise was eventually reached. During this, however, Xwestsidex [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33401 edited] the page again, changing the caption to what he wanted it to be and putting "fuck you! I put up the picture! I should be able to name it what I want!" in the edit summary. The caption was later [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33453 removed] by an [[Special:Contributions/24.162.112.208|anonymous user]]. At the same time, Misty [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=&page=Image%3A166+no+ho+in+mexico.JPG uploaded] [[:Image:166 no ho in mexico.JPG]]. She then [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=next&oldid=33461 changed] the image in the video and also re-added her old caption. Noticing that these were identical images, I [[Special:Undelete/Image:Mmm...fish_taco.JPG|added]] (sorry, you need to be an admin for the link to work, but there's nothing I can do about that) a delete tag to "Image:Mmm...fish taco.JPG". A few days later, seeing no objections to the deletion proposal, I [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Image%3AMmm...fish+taco.JPG deleted] the image.</span>

<span class="plainlinks">A few days later, on April 9, Xwestsidex (now using IP [[Special:Contributions/75.26.20.124|75.26.20.124]]) [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Hug_It_Out&diff=33999&oldid=33998 added] a caption to the video [[Hug It Out]]. He then [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Hug_It_Out&diff=next&oldid=34000 modified] his caption, putting "editing caption...dont FUCKIN change it!" in the edit summary. Although User:HyeMew had [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Hug_It_Out&diff=next&oldid=34019 changed] the caption, claiming "We need a better caption than the gangsta southside one", I still felt that Xwestsidex's edit summary was inappropriate. So, I [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:75.26.20.124&diff=prev&oldid=34031 posted] a comment on [[User talk:75.26.20.124]] requesting that he use the talk page to work things out. A couple of days later, he [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:75.26.20.124&diff=next&oldid=34031 replied] on the same page, but not before yet again [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=prev&oldid=34455 changing] the caption on [[Lying Bastards]] with an edit summary of "Imma keep changing it, dont try it." Seeing that he was refusing to participate in the discussion, continuing to change the caption despite being warned, and claiming that he would continue to act this way in the future, I made the decision to [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:75.26.20.124 impose] a one-week block on his account, providing the following as my reason: "continuing to change image captions against community consensus and general disrespect toward other editors". I then [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:75.26.20.124&diff=next&oldid=34460 posted] a comment on his talk page basically telling him that I had blocked him and to "Have a fun week off!". Less than a day later, he used another IP address ([[Special:Contributions/207.62.208.2|207.62.208.2]]) to make a [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:75.26.20.124&diff=next&oldid=34482 post] on the same page asking me to say "Sir, Im sorry I was hatin on you, and you are the biggest pimp daddy on the LG15 forums".</span>

<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bree%27s_Dad_Is_Dead&diff=prev&oldid=63043 Since] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Bree&diff=prev&oldid=76137 then], [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Broken_Kid&diff=prev&oldid=56739 Xwestsidex] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Living_with_Girls&diff=prev&oldid=72700 has] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Broken_Kid&diff=prev&oldid=56736 made] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=They_Belong_With_Us&diff=prev&oldid=78971 multiple] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Kicked_Out&diff=prev&oldid=63053 edits], [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:75.8.235.160&diff=prev&oldid=63059 very] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Breeniverse_Timeline&diff=prev&oldid=76144 few] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Christmas_Surprise&diff=prev&oldid=63024 of] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Spencer%27s_apartment&diff=prev&oldid=57590 which] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Van_Sandwich&diff=prev&oldid=78972 have] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=The_Ceremony&diff=prev&oldid=62996 been] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Breeniverse_Timeline&diff=prev&oldid=76143 productive], [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:207.200.116.74&diff=prev&oldid=52047 attacking] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Kicked_Out_-_NBR_Investigates&diff=prev&oldid=56527 LGPedia] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Zoey&diff=prev&oldid=76152 editors] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Then_and_Now:_A_Look_Back_at_Lonelygirl15_Through_Time&diff=prev&oldid=57596 and] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=A_Message_from_Our_Sponsors&diff=prev&oldid=76157 posting] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Science_Proved_Nothing&diff=prev&oldid=40153 inappropriate] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Daniel_Crossed_The_Line&diff=prev&oldid=62985 and] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Sabotage&diff=prev&oldid=78974 irrelevant] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=House_Arrest&diff=prev&oldid=62929 material]. [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Should_I_Or_Shouldn%27t_I%3F&diff=prev&oldid=62927 Of] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:Jonpro&diff=prev&oldid=57605 course], [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=In_The_Park&diff=prev&oldid=62930 all] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=They_Beat_Her%21%21%21&diff=prev&oldid=78970 of] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=What%27s_A_Date%3F&diff=prev&oldid=62931 the] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Then_and_Now:_A_Look_Back_at_Lonelygirl15_Through_Time&diff=prev&oldid=57595 edits] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=The_movie_theater&diff=prev&oldid=57602 are] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=My_First_Kiss&diff=prev&oldid=62932 reverted] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Mission_Possible&diff=prev&oldid=60837 quickly] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=The_Equinox&diff=prev&oldid=62934 and] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Learning_To_Drive&diff=prev&oldid=62933 the] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=The_Bree_Solution&diff=prev&oldid=57619 IPs] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=You_Made_the_Right_Choice%2C_Bree%21&diff=prev&oldid=62952 are] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Spencer&diff=prev&oldid=58570 blocked], [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=How_Could_You%3F&diff=prev&oldid=62937 often] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=It%27s_Not_Kidnapping&diff=prev&oldid=43554 with] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=My_Difficult_Decision&diff=prev&oldid=62944 just] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Secrets_Revealed&diff=prev&oldid=76140 "xwestsidex"] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=We_Found_Julia%21%21%21&diff=prev&oldid=41699 as] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Talk:It%27s_Not_Kidnapping&diff=prev&oldid=43559 the] [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Relationships&diff=prev&oldid=57598 reason].</span>

<span class="plainlinks">I hope this provides some background for those who were wondering and that the links help to tell the complete story. Although I have this as a subpage of my userpage (as it isn't really LGPedia material), I encourage others to feel free to edit this page. The original form of this page is certain to be biased as I myself wrote it, but with more authors, more objectivity can be attained. Just make sure your edits improve the page rather than make it worse. Respectfully yours, [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]].</span>

==Additional Links==
*[[User talk:Renegade#From: Xwestsidex]]
*[{{SERVER}}{{SCRIPTPATH}}/index.php?title=User_talk:Renegade&diff=82833&oldid=79486 User talk:Renegade#From: Xwestsidex] (Edit was reverted by Zoey immediately afterwards)

==xwestsidex's response==
:Ok, Jonpro...I will be professional with you..and ONLY THIS ONCE.

I never participated in the "discussion" because at first I never knew that discussion page existed (until I saw that I had "new messages" then I knew there was a such thing as a discussion page.) If I had known about it, so help me God I would have torn people up in that discussion forum, and got people the "fish taco" humor for that page. It was a very relevant piece of humor. Due to the script

"theres no ho in mexico"

(this is subcommunicating that Bree doesn't know about the prostitution problems in Tijuana. Seriously, you could get some for 20 bucks down there)

Then Daniel says: "wow, after talking all that trash, Jonas decides to take Bree into town. Why? he wants her to try a fish taco"

Meaning: Jonas wanted to show Bree how many "hos" in mexico there actually were, and experience her first lesbian experience. I know the creators would *say* they didnt mean that, but people lie, and the creators are artists. These people think of shit from all different directions. And yet people were too conservative to realize that, and instead stay on their prissy HIGH HORSES and say "no! we cant do that! lets put something normal instead of having fun with it" But we can't do that because of feminists, conservative republicans, and fuckin dumbasses coming into the forum.

And back then (until I came around) wasnt the person who uploaded the image allowed to put the caption as what they wanted?

This is why I do what I do, Jonpro. The LG admins don't listen to those who want to put a great deal of humor on the forums, to make the LGpedia a place to be entertained. They worry too much about "whats inappropriate" and seriously whats the worst that could happen if we did put inappropriate shit? Howard Stern made his living that way!

And for the record I seriously don't care about the "young sensitive minds that read swearing" because if they dont know how to cuss, then they'll never survive their young years. Its a rough world out there, Jonpro. I come from a place where if you didnt know how to cuss by the 5th grade you'd get ur ass beat. Kids need to stay away from censorship!!

When you banned me, oooooo damn..that comment "have a fun week off" really started it. Nobody gets sarcastic with me, bitch! And I told you that if you apologized all this shit would go away. No more vandalism from me. But nope, haven't heard anything. So therefore more vandalism has been coming into the forums.

Just say what I told you to say, Jonpro. And I won't vandalize anymore...promise.

its very simple. "Xwestsidex, im sorry I was hatin on you and you are the biggest pimp in the LG15 forums."

Say it and it will all go away...

Respectfully yours,

[[User:Xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

==Jonpro's response to xwestsidex==
Thanks for your reply. I will attempt to be rational with you because you've shown an interest in something other than nonsense and childish behavior. The reason I haven't tried talking with you before is because I didn't want to give you unneeded attention, but since you ''seem'' to be making an honest effort, I'll give you a chance. However, my instincts tell me to just ignore you, so consider this an act of good will. I'll start with your first line.
{{quote|xwestsidex|Ok, Jonpro...I will be professional with you..and ONLY THIS ONCE.}}
This reeks of unprofessionalism, as someone who was truly trying to be professional would not refuse to be professional all but one time. I hope you don't really mean this, or all of this is just a waste of time.
{{quote|xwestsidex|I never participated in the "discussion" because at first I never knew that discussion page existed (until I saw that I had "new messages" then I knew there was a such thing as a discussion page.) If I had known about it, so help me God I would have torn people up in that discussion forum, and got people the "fish taco" humor for that page.}}
This is fair enough. It's not always easy figuring out how everything works. However, I think I made it clear that such a talk page existed when I [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=User_talk:75.26.20.124&diff=prev&oldid=34031 wrote]:
{{quote|Jonpro|You have the right to feel strongly about a caption, but there's no need to yell at people to not change it. Instead, perhaps put something on the talk page explaining why your caption should be kept.--Jonpro 11:21, 9 April 2007 (CDT)}}
on your talk page. At that point you could have gone to [[Talk:Lying Bastards]] and rationally explained why your caption should be kept. Instead, you simply [{{SERVER}}/lgpedia/index.php?title=Lying_Bastards&diff=prev&oldid=34455 changed] the caption again, saying:
{{quote|xwestsidex|Imma keep changing it, dont try it.}}
To me, this sounds like 1)you are refusing to consider other peoples' opinions on the matter and 2)you will continue to vandalize (i.e. change the picture caption to your own) in the future. In my mind this was unacceptable. Okay, back to your response here:
{{quote|xwestsidex|It was a very relevant piece of humor. Due to the script

"theres no ho in mexico"

(this is subcommunicating that Bree doesn't know about the prostitution problems in Tijuana. Seriously, you could get some for 20 bucks down there)

Then Daniel says: "wow, after talking all that trash, Jonas decides to take Bree into town. Why? he wants her to try a fish taco"

Meaning: Jonas wanted to show Bree how many "hos" in mexico there actually were, and experience her first lesbian experience. I know the creators would *say* they didnt mean that, but people lie, and the creators are artists. These people think of shit from all different directions. And yet people were too conservative to realize that, and instead stay on their prissy HIGH HORSES and say "no! we cant do that! lets put something normal instead of having fun with it" But we can't do that because of feminists, conservative republicans, and fuckin dumbasses coming into the forum.}}
Perhaps you were right and your caption was better than the other one. This isn't really about that. You may have noticed that I did not get involved in the "caption debate" other than to try to prevent an edit war. I was more concerned about keeping the peace.
{{quote|xwestsidex|And back then (until I came around) wasnt the person who uploaded the image allowed to put the caption as what they wanted?}}
Um, no. I'm sorry that you got this understanding, but every edit that is made here is subject to the rest of the community. No one has the right to put whatever they want somewhere just because they were the one that uploaded a picture, for example.
{{quote|xwestsidex|This is why I do what I do, Jonpro. The LG admins don't listen to those who want to put a great deal of humor on the forums, to make the LGpedia a place to be entertained. They worry too much about "whats inappropriate" and seriously whats the worst that could happen if we did put inappropriate shit? Howard Stern made his living that way!

And for the record I seriously don't care about the "young sensitive minds that read swearing" because if they dont know how to cuss, then they'll never survive their young years. Its a rough world out there, Jonpro. I come from a place where if you didnt know how to cuss by the 5th grade you'd get ur ass beat. Kids need to stay away from censorship!!}}
I don't know about on the forums (as I'm very rarely there), but here it has sort of been accepted that we keep things to a PG-13 level. I didn't make this decision, and I'm not sure anyone could pinpoint who did, and yet that seems to be the general view. However, just like everything else here (except things directly dictated by [[the Creators]]), the issue is negotiable. But this negotiation must happen in a rational, respectful manner. If you would like to start a discussion about censorship here on the LGPedia at [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony|Lucy's Balcony]], for instance, you have every right to do so. But any and all personal attacks or disrespect toward other users will not be tolerated.
{{quote|xwestsidex|When you banned me, oooooo damn..that comment "have a fun week off" really started it. Nobody gets sarcastic with me, bitch! And I told you that if you apologized all this shit would go away. No more vandalism from me. But nope, haven't heard anything. So therefore more vandalism has been coming into the forums.}}
When I said that, I was pretty angry at the way you had been acting, and I think that was justified. Perhaps I was disrespectful, but at the time I felt that you deserved worse. As for apologizing, that's not exactly what you asked for:
{{quote|xwestsidex|Just say what I told you to say, Jonpro. And I won't vandalize anymore...promise.

its very simple. "Xwestsidex, im sorry I was hatin on you and you are the biggest pimp in the LG15 forums."

Say it and it will all go away...

Respectfully yours,

[[User:Xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]}}
First of all, I was not "hatin on you", as you say. I was simply doing what I believed was the best thing to do in the situation. Second of all, what does you being a pimp have to do with anything?

Lastly, I just want to point out how immature all of this actually is. Vandalizing a wiki about an online video series does not make you "cool" and it is not an effective way of getting your point across, whatever it may be. A mature approach would be to use reason and common sense. You can hold whatever views you want, and people should respect that, so all I'm asking is that you're as respectful to everyone else as you would like them to be to you. Fair enough?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 20:46, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

==Xwestsidex's response to Jonpro==

::...

::....

.....You seem like you know how to think.

A couple of things first: I dont care whether its cool or not. Its fun to Vandalize shit when the particular video is kinda gay.

How about this tho:

I can put an end to all this (and you dont gotta apologize) If I can get my own page of the wiki to vandalize on all I want, put shit on, and peeps can come by and vandalize it too and talk shit about people on the shit WITHOUT deleting and censoring stuff. And I want to put a link to kinda advertise it on 3 or 4 different pages so that peeps have an easy way to get to it.

How does that sound?

--

on second thought, i have a new outlet. http://xwestsidex.blogspot.com --- xwestsidex

--
I swear that wasnt me^^. However, Xwestsidexxy, your comments were hilarious on that blogspot. Lemme get the password to that so that we can collab on talkin some hilarious shit on that page.--[[User:xwestsidex|xwestsidex]] (the real one)

Sad to say, that Zoey has just messed everything up as far as this agreement went....I'm sorry Jonpro...You were wise to try and work something out, but someone else didn't agree......--[[User:xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

:Hey delusional - he wasn't trying to work something out, he was trying to explain to the innocent why there was an annoying little wannabe gangster talking about tacos on their episode pages. The only one trying to work something out here is ''you'', so it ''looks'' like anybody is afraid of you.
:Crawl back into your hole and stfu. You scare no one.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:55, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::I don't know who's the "real" xwestsidex, and frankly I don't care. I really have no clue what you mean when you said that I was "wise to try and work something out". I never agreed to work anything out. I never even answered your request for your own "vandalism page" or whatever. But now I can see that I've made a big mistake in thinking that you could be rational. Obviously you are too immature to consider what anyone else thinks and I'm sorry I wasted my time on you. I hope some day you learn how to act, but until then, I really don't want anything to do with you. I felt a little bad for you up to this point because I thought that maybe I had done something to cause this, but now I see that I was terribly wrong. You're no better than Renegade and everyone else has been saying you are, and I apologize for not seeing that. At least now I am seeing things clearly, and we can all get on with actual constructive things here. Again, I'm sorry for bringing this up as I hoped it would result in something good, but apparently I was wrong.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:20, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::: I have actually enjoyed the factual part of this discussion. It makes a lot of sense of the "707clique" posts on comments. I have no idea what the Creators really meant by the references in the video itself but at least having a explanation of the rational for the "spam" has been educational. But, once again, the pedia is no place for personal attacks or vandalism. Lets just stick to the facts and the interpretation of the facts as they relate to the video and to the community sense of humor. There is a place for each on the pedia but we should not mix them up.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 20:02, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::::I like your thinking, Modelmotion. Yea there is a place for "interpretation of the facts" aka "MY HONEST, UNCENSORED OPINION" on the LGPedia. But that was taken away. This whole thing was started because some idiot was offended that I was talking about a fish taco where it was completely relevant, and deleting it because they were too delicate and got offended by it. And im glad you figured out what I meant by the specific fish taco references. You could easily help educate some people here.--[[User:xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

Talk:Xwestsidex's vandalism page

2007-11-04T10:08:34Z

69.62.237.121: small added note to QtheC-xwestsidex

Xwestsidex, I want you to know that I respect your right to voice your opinions regarding the LG15 series. There ''are'' a number of things in the series that can be construed as sexual references, I do not deny that. However, I don't think that the LGPedia is the right place to voice said opinions. There are plenty of other places you can create transcripts and the likes where you can make references to whatever aspects of the show you see fit. I saw you created that blog the other day, that seems like a good outlet. I just do not believe that LGPedia is the place for this. As such, I have deleted this page, but I will leave the talk page available so there can be further discussion, if need be. Please remember to keep everything respectful, and that is a comment to ''everyone''. Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:40, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:"I saw you created that blog the other day, that seems like a good outlet"

UR AN IDIOT! I did NOT create that blog, that was a fake xwestsidex

Check xwestsidexxy's IP. NOT ME!

Zoey sad to say, but you just fucked everything up, mkay. I almost had an agreement with Jonpro, and then you had to step in and say "nope! Can't do it! It conflicts with my feminazi beliefs!"

This is why people on LGpedia hate you, Zoey. Because you come in and do stupid shit like this. Ur a hater, Zoey. Ur a bigger hater than Jonpro. I can see through all that professional talk you stated above. It just screams HATER, especially because you knew very well (even by my remarks) that I did not create that blog that was apparently (and humorously) trying to hate on me.

I guess now you'll have to deal with more disrespect and vandalism...and this time, Jonpro's not the target....YOU ARE!

and you'll have to say "Im sorry xwestsidex for hatin on you. Ill let you eat my fish taco" to completely end it...thats all youll have to say....go ahead and say it...come on zoey... just those 14 little words and you can end it.....--[[User:xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

::You have multiple IPs, you know. I have no way of knowing for sure which ones are you. You can certainly create a similar blog though, if you want an outlet. You should know that Jonpro is ''not'' the boss around here. He is an admin, he was trying to be professional. But when it comes down to it, this is a community site and as a community, we try to keep things appropriate. Jonpro never actually agreed to give you this page, since he doesn't have the right to do that. He's just a good guy, trying to do his job properly. This has nothing to do with "feminazi beliefs," it has to do with respect, which you are clearly not showing in this reply. I gave you a chance. My reply ''was'' respectful. However, you threw it away and called it my "fatal mistake." Now, as the '''head admin''', you should know this will not be tolerated. Your fair chance is now kaput. And I'm quite sure I can get the community to back me on this :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:40, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::Banned users shouldn't be talking in the first place, and everybody around here knows he's just desperately looking for an excuse to justify his pathetic little stunts. As somebody who has already been added to his almighty deathlist of doom, I can tell you it's about as terrible as his dick is long - not at all.
:::Can we please just stop being nice to him and enforce the ban now?
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:48, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::xwestsidex your sense of humor is banal, lame, and offensive to some - that's why the Creators put a stop to it on the comments page months ago. Stop wasting the time of the good people like Zoey who work so hard to make the LGPedia valuable and intelligent. If you want to carry on like a moron for your own entertainment and anyone like-minded, take her advice. The internet is a big place. Creating a blog takes about 5 minutes on blogger or livejournal or whereever - and I'll bet the staff here would let you post a link to it from an otherwise empty page (perhaps with a disclaimer) so searches on LGPedia would find the link. Just a suggestion. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 18:51, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

Just adding my support for the fine work that Zoey does here. I really wish people would just leave her alone. [[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 18:53, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::Since when did ANYONE on LGPedia hate Zoey? She's an AMAZING admin. And what you are doing is pathetic. I've read about it, and all you come across is as an immature, pathetic person, who really needs to get a hobby. The Creators themselves have said they want to keep the show PG-13, I suggest you try and do that too. Your jokes are old, and your actions are even older. As much as you make edits, there's hundreds of people who are more than happy to revert them. So why don't you go crawl in a corner and leave everyone alone. You're clearly not a fan.[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 19:03, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::::First let me say that the notion of "sexual references" within the show is quite interesting. We already have a relationship page and developing this theme within that architecture might be educational. If its done well and based on documented evidence from a video then its relevant. Lets keep our eye on the ball and focus on the facts and stay away from personal attacks and abuse of the pedia. If we don't we could loose potentially valuable content. I think Zoey has a tough job to do but if you work with her and the other admins perhaps you can get back to how best to present the information. If there is a case to be made for "sexual references" it should however be made within the context of what was actually in the video and supported by documented references.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:01, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::::::Hey, everyone. I just responded to xwestsidex on [[User:Jonpro/Xwestsidex#Xwestsidex's response to Jonpro]]. First of all, I'd like to add my agreement that Zoey is an amazing admin. From the time she started editing here, she was always very willing to help with anything that needed done, and she has proven that she has what it takes to make LGPedia work as head admin. You know, I can take a little flack, but really what xwestsidex has done and is doing is completely uncalled for and immature. Well, I cover this in my response so just read that I guess. I suppose I don't need to rant anymore than that.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:29, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::::::Id just like to show my support for Zoey on this issue. I have watched this unfold and the subject of this problem has acted on many occasions acted imature. As a past moderator of forums and guil and clan leaders for many games for at least 6 years iv seen this all before too often. When an admin has given a ban you quit clearly should sit and be quiet until its over no repeatedly return and repeat the same acts. Zoey puts alot of time and effert into her work here not only for the LGpedia but also the KM, The Flock, Redearth88 and many other areas. She takes pride in her work and she should do because her actions here were just.--[[User:TDZane|tdzane]]

Zoey is the head admin? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Who the fuck gave her that job? She probably slept with the creators to get that. And did you actually go out and get all these people to comment on this shit? I hope you all know that this is not what you think it is. Seriously, why would I want to be "desperately accepted" when ur whole system agrees with my proxy server on what I'm doing? AKA "multiple IPs and banning not being able to stop me" I saw some of the funny replies of those who tried to insult me, as well. You're using strong words, but for the wrong situation. Which is what makes this so funny. Its like calling someone who's trying to lose weight "too skinny" You see, I get PLEASURE from vandalizing. Its like a dope fix. Every time I put a "fish taco" phrase in the right place, or something about "masturbating on youtube" in the right place, it makes it FUNNY. Humor is what keeps me going. And this here is my playground for spewing beautiful swear words and obscene phrases. But sadly, there is no obscene humor in LG15, so someone has to make it. And I must say, that I'm very proud to be the #1 vandalizer on LG15. The other vandals, all they can do is blank pages and put in boring macys gift card ads. I do something useful, and create HUMOR. Something that people who aren't feminists, conservative republicans, and nerds who are fat and ugly can enjoy. Seriously, the admins can end this. Just by saying "Xwestsidex, im sorry I was hating"...I've promised them that after that, I would stop vandalizing and I have given them that option MANY TIMES. Why are they not taking it??!! Is it THAT HARD to type in a few words to end waves of vandalism??!! LOL!!--[[User:Xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

Oh by the way, QtheC, I liked your suggestion you had. It would be a good idea placing a page with a disclaimer and link to a blog on another site. Kinda like anchorcove.net does, or the LG15 today. Now, if the admins could agree not to delete my disclaimer page, I would definitely do it. However, after recent prior experience, they dont seem to be agreeable to that shit, do they?--[[User:Xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

Talk:Xwestsidex's vandalism page

2007-11-04T08:47:04Z

69.62.237.121: hahhahahhahahhaha-xwestsidex

Xwestsidex, I want you to know that I respect your right to voice your opinions regarding the LG15 series. There ''are'' a number of things in the series that can be construed as sexual references, I do not deny that. However, I don't think that the LGPedia is the right place to voice said opinions. There are plenty of other places you can create transcripts and the likes where you can make references to whatever aspects of the show you see fit. I saw you created that blog the other day, that seems like a good outlet. I just do not believe that LGPedia is the place for this. As such, I have deleted this page, but I will leave the talk page available so there can be further discussion, if need be. Please remember to keep everything respectful, and that is a comment to ''everyone''. Thanks. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:40, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:"I saw you created that blog the other day, that seems like a good outlet"

UR AN IDIOT! I did NOT create that blog, that was a fake xwestsidex

Check xwestsidexxy's IP. NOT ME!

Zoey sad to say, but you just fucked everything up, mkay. I almost had an agreement with Jonpro, and then you had to step in and say "nope! Can't do it! It conflicts with my feminazi beliefs!"

This is why people on LGpedia hate you, Zoey. Because you come in and do stupid shit like this. Ur a hater, Zoey. Ur a bigger hater than Jonpro. I can see through all that professional talk you stated above. It just screams HATER, especially because you knew very well (even by my remarks) that I did not create that blog that was apparently (and humorously) trying to hate on me.

I guess now you'll have to deal with more disrespect and vandalism...and this time, Jonpro's not the target....YOU ARE!

and you'll have to say "Im sorry xwestsidex for hatin on you. Ill let you eat my fish taco" to completely end it...thats all youll have to say....go ahead and say it...come on zoey... just those 14 little words and you can end it.....--[[User:xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

::You have multiple IPs, you know. I have no way of knowing for sure which ones are you. You can certainly create a similar blog though, if you want an outlet. You should know that Jonpro is ''not'' the boss around here. He is an admin, he was trying to be professional. But when it comes down to it, this is a community site and as a community, we try to keep things appropriate. Jonpro never actually agreed to give you this page, since he doesn't have the right to do that. He's just a good guy, trying to do his job properly. This has nothing to do with "feminazi beliefs," it has to do with respect, which you are clearly not showing in this reply. I gave you a chance. My reply ''was'' respectful. However, you threw it away and called it my "fatal mistake." Now, as the '''head admin''', you should know this will not be tolerated. Your fair chance is now kaput. And I'm quite sure I can get the community to back me on this :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:40, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::Banned users shouldn't be talking in the first place, and everybody around here knows he's just desperately looking for an excuse to justify his pathetic little stunts. As somebody who has already been added to his almighty deathlist of doom, I can tell you it's about as terrible as his dick is long - not at all.
:::Can we please just stop being nice to him and enforce the ban now?
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:48, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::xwestsidex your sense of humor is banal, lame, and offensive to some - that's why the Creators put a stop to it on the comments page months ago. Stop wasting the time of the good people like Zoey who work so hard to make the LGPedia valuable and intelligent. If you want to carry on like a moron for your own entertainment and anyone like-minded, take her advice. The internet is a big place. Creating a blog takes about 5 minutes on blogger or livejournal or whereever - and I'll bet the staff here would let you post a link to it from an otherwise empty page (perhaps with a disclaimer) so searches on LGPedia would find the link. Just a suggestion. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 18:51, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

Just adding my support for the fine work that Zoey does here. I really wish people would just leave her alone. [[User:ApotheosisAZ|Apo]] 18:53, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::Since when did ANYONE on LGPedia hate Zoey? She's an AMAZING admin. And what you are doing is pathetic. I've read about it, and all you come across is as an immature, pathetic person, who really needs to get a hobby. The Creators themselves have said they want to keep the show PG-13, I suggest you try and do that too. Your jokes are old, and your actions are even older. As much as you make edits, there's hundreds of people who are more than happy to revert them. So why don't you go crawl in a corner and leave everyone alone. You're clearly not a fan.[[User:Babygurl1853|Babygurl1853]] 19:03, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

:::::First let me say that the notion of "sexual references" within the show is quite interesting. We already have a relationship page and developing this theme within that architecture might be educational. If its done well and based on documented evidence from a video then its relevant. Lets keep our eye on the ball and focus on the facts and stay away from personal attacks and abuse of the pedia. If we don't we could loose potentially valuable content. I think Zoey has a tough job to do but if you work with her and the other admins perhaps you can get back to how best to present the information. If there is a case to be made for "sexual references" it should however be made within the context of what was actually in the video and supported by documented references.--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 19:01, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::::::Hey, everyone. I just responded to xwestsidex on [[User:Jonpro/Xwestsidex#Xwestsidex's response to Jonpro]]. First of all, I'd like to add my agreement that Zoey is an amazing admin. From the time she started editing here, she was always very willing to help with anything that needed done, and she has proven that she has what it takes to make LGPedia work as head admin. You know, I can take a little flack, but really what xwestsidex has done and is doing is completely uncalled for and immature. Well, I cover this in my response so just read that I guess. I suppose I don't need to rant anymore than that.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:29, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

::::::Id just like to show my support for Zoey on this issue. I have watched this unfold and the subject of this problem has acted on many occasions acted imature. As a past moderator of forums and guil and clan leaders for many games for at least 6 years iv seen this all before too often. When an admin has given a ban you quit clearly should sit and be quiet until its over no repeatedly return and repeat the same acts. Zoey puts alot of time and effert into her work here not only for the LGpedia but also the KM, The Flock, Redearth88 and many other areas. She takes pride in her work and she should do because her actions here were just.--[[User:TDZane|tdzane]]

Zoey is the head admin? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Who the fuck gave her that job? She probably slept with the creators to get that. And did you actually go out and get all these people to comment on this shit? I hope you all know that this is not what you think it is. Seriously, why would I want to be "desperately accepted" when ur whole system agrees with my proxy server on what I'm doing? AKA "multiple IPs and banning not being able to stop me" I saw some of the funny replies of those who tried to insult me, as well. You're using strong words, but for the wrong situation. Which is what makes this so funny. Its like calling someone who's trying to lose weight "too skinny"
You see, I get PLEASURE from vandalizing. Its like a dope fix. Every time I put a "fish taco" phrase in the right place, or something about "masturbating on youtube" in the right place, it makes it FUNNY. Humor is what keeps me going. And this here is my playground for spewing beautiful swear words and obscene phrases. But sadly, there is no obscene humor in LG15, so someone has to make it. And I must say, that I'm very proud to be the #1 vandalizer on LG15. The other vandals, all they can do is blank pages and put in boring macys gift card ads. I do something useful, and create HUMOR. Something that people who aren't feminists, conservative republicans, and nerds who are fat and ugly can enjoy.
Seriously, the admins can end this. Just by saying "Xwestsidex, im sorry I was hating"...I've promised them that after that, I would stop vandalizing and I have given them that option MANY TIMES. Why are they not taking it??!! Is it THAT HARD to type in a few words to end waves of vandalism??!! LOL!!--[[User:Xwestsidex|xwestsidex]]

Sarah and the City

2007-11-03T03:09:10Z

69.62.145.57: /* Notes */

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==Transcript==
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==Notes==
*Sarah wears a [[cap]].
*This is the first episode where the slide tecnique is used to transfer from one cut to the next.
*The title of this episode is a parody of "Sex And The City."
*Sarah twice references the 1932 suicide of out-of-work actress [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peg_Entwistle Peg Entwistle], who jumped from the Hollywood sign tragically just days before receiving a letter announcing that she had won the lead role in a play. Sarah uses the anecdote to discuss her own situation: "''How do any of us know how long to hold out? ... What the hell am I doing here?''"
*Sarah enjoys a couple martinis at [http://www.liquidkitty.com/ Liquid Kitty], a cocktail lounge in Los Angeles.
*This video marks the first mention of Taylor in a canon video in almost two months. Although her last canon video appearance was in [[Sister to Sister]], Taylor was active in the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=120&t=14648 forum] in helping decode Emma's messages.
*In the final sequence of the video, you can see a man filming the scene in the pot to the left of Sarah's head. - Correction: It is a tripod.

Cat Hunt

2007-10-30T04:14:38Z

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==Transcript==

==Notes==
*wookiewantsacookie is hella kool

Cat Hunt

2007-10-30T04:14:17Z

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Storytelling

2007-10-22T03:27:33Z

69.62.155.41: /* Notes */

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| description = Emma's feeling quiet right now, but only because her spirit's getting
stronger.
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==Transcript==
'''Claire:''' The following should be carefully considered as evidence of my good intentions and as a warning to anyone who thinks they're foolish enough to come after our very special girl.

(''Scene cuts to Emma in a white shirt and jeans. She is curled up, one arm holding her legs, the other holding her right shoulder.'')

'''Emma:''' I don't really have much to say today. But Claire said I should talk, though. So, I'll talk. (''laughs lightly'') Um, I dunno. Maybe I'll tell you guys a story? Okay, well, this is a story about Tawa. Tawa is a Native-American sun god and the Hopi, a Native-American tribe, believe that in the beginning, there was only Tawa, the sun god, and Spider-woman. Which, actually, has ''nothing'' to do with Spider-''man''. Anyway, um, everything in the sky was controlled by Tawa and everything in the underworld, well, that was controlled by Spider-woman, because, well, she was an earth goddess...sort of. Anyway, my first dad had, like, this beautiful painting of Tawa and Spider-woman. And while I would, you know, stare at it everyday, pretty much, and I would try to figure out what it meant because in the painting Spider-woman was looking up at Tawa and making a gesture (''holds out pointer finger, slightly curled, toward camera'') like--like this. You know? Kinda like she was saying, "Come." Like, "come here" or something. But, well, the sun can't ever really go to the underworld. So, the end. (''laughs lightly'') Okay? Can we stop? (''waves good-bye'') Bye.

==Notes==
*The outfit Emma is wearing is the same as that which Bree was wearing in the videos preparing her for the ceremony; white t-shirt and jeans. She also holds onto her shoulder, as if there was something there, like [[Bree's injections|the bandage]] Bree had on.
*This video was posted on a Saturday, a becoming not-so-rare weekend posting.
*Throughout Emma's story, she is clearly taking cues from someone off-camera - presumably Claire. Emma actually spends more time looking above and away from the camera than she does looking into it. This might be a deliberate way of communicating that she is being monitored as she talks.
*The Hopi believe that Tawa and Spider-woman were lovers. Once, when Tawa dreamed of creatures, Spider-woman made them from clay and wrapped them in a magic blanket that brought them to life. When they decided to make humans, the blanket did not bring them to life. So, Tawa and Spider-woman sang the '''"Song of Life,"''' which brought them to life.
*This is the second time Claire has worn the camo shirt.
*Wookie is Kool

Emma's Safe

2007-10-10T20:20:54Z

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'''Claire:''' The following should be considered as evidence of my good intentions. And as a warning to anyone who might be foolish enough to consider coming after our very special girl.

(''Cut to Emma'')

'''Emma:''' Well, I want everybody to know that I'm okay. Uh... I mean, everybody's been really nice to me here. Um, Claire, she's been really nice to me. I've been spending a lot of time on- (''scene cut'') I don't want you guys to worry about me. So... And we talk; I talk to Claire. And we talk about, like, the Hymn of One; stuff like that. I actually haven't had somebody to talk to about that stuff in a long time. We talk about my family - my first family.

'''Emma:''' (''To Claire, off-camera'') I'm sorry, can we talk about my family?

'''Claire:''' Sure, go ahead, Emma.

'''Emma:''' Okay, so I had a family before Jonas's parents, my first family, about six years ago. And my parents - my new parents - have been great with me over the last six years. I don't want everybody to think that I don't love them or that I don't love being with them, because I do. I love them very much. I was nine, and I had, like, a singing recital at the Hymn of One campus. And my mom dropped me off at, like, a-a dress rehearsal thing. She went home to get dressed and to pick up my dad. (''Emma starts crying.'') They never made it. They were killed in a car accident on the way back on the 405. I was looking for them in the audience; they weren't there. And then I got off to another family! (''scene cut'') I want everybody to know that I wasn't crying because of anything that's happened here - I'm okay.

==Notes==
*This video confirms that Emma is 15 years old.
*The smile at the end of the video seems very fake, indicating that Emma isn't okay.

Emma's Safe

2007-10-10T20:20:40Z

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Theories About Characters

2007-09-30T02:18:05Z

69.62.148.171: /* LaRezisto */

This page is used to post your theories about [[characters]], not including [[ARG]] characters such as [[Tachyon]], [[cassieiswatching|CiW]], etc. You can put anything from what the character's motives are, what they will do in the next video, or even what something from their first video meant.

==lonelygirl15==

===Bree===
*Her full name is [[Bree|Bree Avery]] because her father's name is [[Bree's parents|Drew Avery]]. (proven)
*She is a [[moonchild]].
*Bree isn't actually dead.
*Bree is not dead, but will not be returning.
*The Order didn't kill Bree, they made it look like she died so Daniel and Jonas would stop chasing her.
*Bree may be [[Kate]]'s biological sister.
*Bree was pregnant when she died

===Daniel===
*[[Daniel]] is working for the order.
*Daniel was in love with Bree. (proven)
*Daniel will fall in love with Sarah.

===The Order===
*[[The Elders]] are the only ones who have information about [[the Order]].
*The Order performed Bree's ceremony incorrectly, and she was not actually supposed to die.
*Though members of the Order are also members of the [[Hymn Of One]], they are two separate factions.
*When the Order attempted to kidnap [[Emma]], they were supposed to kill Jonas as well.
*They didn't use [[the Ceremony]] to lure Emma in because they feared she might have seen the lg15 videos.

===Jonas===
*[[Jonas]] will become depressed after losing Bree and kill himself. (disproven)
*Jonas will tell Emma about his adventures with Bree and Daniel and they will fight the Order.(disproven, she found out by watching the LG15 series)
*Jonas will become brainwashed by the Order.

===Taylor===
*[[Taylor]] is a plant by the Order.
*Taylor is not biologically related to [[Sarah]].
*She is a [[Watcher]]. (disproven)
*She will use her knowledge of computer hacking to help take down the Order.
*Taylor is with the Order and trying to distract Spencer Gilman.

===Sarah===
*[[Sarah]] is a plant by the Order.
*Sarah is jealous of Bree. (proven)
*Sarah is not related to Taylor by blood.
*Sarah, as a plant by the Order, is present to distract Daniel from the task of locating Bree.
*Sarah loves Daniel. (proven)
*She is trait positive and the creepy guy is working with the person who [[Subjects Apprehended|kidnapped Bree, Daniel, and Jonas]].
*Sarah's emotional distress (at the beginning of Season 2) is because she is pregnant.
*Sarah is using the serum on herself. (disproven)
*Sarah has destroyed the serum. (disproven)
*Sarah says she is dating multiple guys to make Daniel jealous.
*Sarah has more than a 'passing interest' in Emma
*She hasn't really been injecting Emma with the serum, just a decoy.

===Bree's Mom===
*[[Bree's parents|Bree's mom]] is working against Bree's best interests.
*She is, or is working for, [[OpAphid]].(disproven: the characters Tachyon/OpAphid/Brother cannot legally be used by The Creators)
*Bree's mother married Drew Avery as a command from [[The Order]].
*Bree's mother is part of [[The Resistance]].

===Drew Avery===
*[[Drew Avery|He]] was never part of the Order.
*He was really working for [[the Resistance]].
*He is still alive.
*He died because he tried to make Bree trait negative (as did [[Isaac Gilman]]). (proven)

===Alex===
*[[Alex|She]] is torn between her loyalty to her religion and her loyalty to her [[Jonas|nephew]].
*Alex has done the Ceremony. (disproven)
*She is still with the Order and gave Daniel a fake blood sample.
*After helping the BDJ obtain the blood sample,she was imprisoned or executed for betraying the Order.
*She is the one who put the messages in Bree's videos. (proven)
*Alex and Lucy are biological sisters

===Jonas's Parents===
*[[Jonas's parents|They]] are in hiding. (Proven)
*They are brainwashed by the Order. (proven)
*They will be found by Alex and help the Resistance.
*They are Bree's real parents. (That would be pretty disgusting given the circumstances)
*They are dead. (disproven)
*They are the couple that appear in [[Remember Them?]] (proven)
*Jonas' mom is the nurse that helped perform Bree's ceremony.
*The family Jonas visited in [[A Family Affair]] are not his real parents.

===Julia===
*[[Jules]] is not the [[New Girl|new girl]]. (proven)
*Jules was a plant by the Order to get Bree. (proven)
*Jules is putting the messages in Bree's blogs. (disproven)
*While Jonas is with Taylor, Julia will come and help them contact Spencer Gilman. (disproven)
*Jules is dead.

===Gemma===
*[[Gemma]] was really not part of the Order. They found her and forced her to help them.
*She lied about living in London to protect herself from the Order.
*Everything she says in her blogs is true.
*Gemma is still alive.
*Gemma is Tachyon, and pretended to expose herself as part of the Order so that the Order would not suspect her.
*Gemma is broadcasting herself, post-OpAphid, through the YouTube account GemmaReturns.

===Lucy===
*[[Lucy]] is OpAphid or working for them.(disproven: the characters Tachyon/OpAphid/Brother cannot legally be used by The Creators)
*Lucy did the Ceremony. (Proven Incorrect)
*Lucy did not have knowledge of the Ceremony, and was therefore unable to answer Bree's questions about it.
*After learning the truth about the Ceremony, Lucy is now trying to help DJE.

===The Mistress===
*[[The Mistress]] is a member of the Resistance.
*The Mistress knows Bree.
*The Mistress is Bree's biological mother.
*The Mistress is in the Order and killed Isaac Gilman.
*[[Rebecca]] is the Mistress.
*The Mistress is Jonas's biological mother.(disproven)

===Rebecca===
*Rebecca is the girl in the photograph with Lucy seen in the video [[Uncle Dan]].
*Rebecca sings the [[Hymn of One]].
*Rebecca staged [[Uncle Dan|the party]] to get information on Bree for OpAphid.

===The Party Guests===
*The party guests from the videos [[Uncle Dan]] and [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] were there to get information about [[BDJ]].
*The "rock star" is the same musician [[Bad Decisions|Gemma dated]].
*Toby is a member of the [[Hymn of One]], just as [[Carl]] and [[Sonia]] are.
*Beth is the mole in [[Deep Throat]] (disproven)
*The "rock star" was also a guest of Charlie's birthday party.
*Bree's Real Parents were at the party.

===Bree's Biological Parents===
*Bree's biological parents are Jonas's parents.
*They died and the Order took Bree.
*After Bree was taken from them, they began working for the Resistance.
*They are the couple that appear in [[Remember Them?]], this would also mean that Bree and Jonas are biological brother and sister.

===Isaac Gilman===
*[[Isaac Gilman]] was Bree's real father.
*He faked his [[The Mistress|death]] after hearing Bree's dad was [[Bree's Dad Is Dead|dead]].
*He is the specialist who faked his death in Kate Modern.

===Spencer Gilman===
*[[Spencer]] is Bree's brother.
*Spencer is a plant by the order.
*Spencer will finish the task that Bree left for Daniel and Jonas: save the other ceremony girls.
*Spencer will see KateModern and attempt to break back into the Wyman Foundation and steal Kate's blood sample and save her from the ceremony.
*Spencer will no longer appear.(Proven:His name is on the list of [[Characters | Former Characters ]].)
*Spencer's role will become more significant in the second season. Since he was able to make the serum, he will have to see Daniel and Jonas again so they can make the Ceremony girls trait negative.
*Spencer and Taylor will eventually end up together

===Nikki Bower===
*[[Nikki Bower|She]] will find where Bree is being kept and be brainwashed by the HoO. (disproven)
*Alternatively, OpAphid will kill her. (disproven, the creators (including Nikki Bower creator, Amanda Goodfried) cannot legally use OpAphid in their storyline)
*She is [[LaRezisto]].

===The Watchers===
*The [[Watchers]] are protecting BDJ, not trying to kidnap them.

===Shadows===
*[[Shadows]] and Watchers are against each other within the HoO.

===LaRezisto===
*[[LaRezisto]] will contact Daniel and Jonas and together they will get over their feelings for Bree and save the other girls. (partially proven, he has contacted Jonas)
*LaRezisto is Sophie. (disproven)
*LaResisto is Cassie. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is actually the Order.
*LaRezisto is Scott.
*LaRezisto is Bree coming back from the dead.
*LaRezisto is Nikki B.
*LaRezisto is Paul and/or Andrea
*LaRezisto is Jonas.(disproven)
*LaRezisto is/are Jonas's parents trying to goad him into saving more girls. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is working against [[TAAG]].
*LaRezisto is the man in black outside of Daniel's house. He was responsible for Deep Throat and for Alex's betrayal of the Order. When Bree returned to the Hymn Of One unbrainwashed, LaRezisto contacted her and together, they devised a plan to send the email with code that would notify LR when Daniel had opened the message, showing that he was ready to find the other girls.
*LaRezisto is Deep Throat/Alex.
*LaRezisto is Bree's adoptive father, and he didn't die from the gun shot.
*LaRezisto is Spencer.
*LaRezisto is Lucy. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is Sonia. (disproven)
*LaRezisto is the Watcher from [[Robbing the Cradle]] (disproven)
*LaRezisto is the shooter from [[Dudley did it!]] (disproven)
*LaRezisto isn't a single person, it is a group similar to the Order, with members all over the world.

===Scott===
*[[Scott]] will convince Sarah to rejoin TAAG to save Emma.(disproven)
*Scott is the [[Gross Guy]].
*Scott is the [[Watcher]] in [[Stakeout... With A Girl]]

===Emma===
*[[Emma]] is trait positive. (proven)
*She is not Jonas's parent's biological daughter and therefore, not Jonas' biological sister. (proven)
*She is oblivious to her parent's Hymn of One activities.
*Jonas and Daniel will save her from doing the ceremony.
*She has an early bedtime because she has to build up strength for the ceremony.
*She has the power to kill any person who have trait-positive blood, especially the Elders.
*She was abducted as a baby (Dr. Griffin explains in [[Dr. Weirdo]] that as a rule, trait positive girls are abducted as babies).
*She was adopted by Jonas's parents around age 9 (Jonas's parents disappeared 6 years ago and Emma is now around age 15).
*She took Purple Monkey and the other stuffed friends with her when she left.

===Mallory===
*The flickr account is [[Mallory]]'s.
*Mallory will see the lg15 videos and help Daniel save the other girls.
*Mallory is a plant by the order.
*Mallory is trait positive.
*Mallory and Daniel will break up because of Daniel helping the other girls.
*Mallory will break up with Daniel because of Sarah.

== KateModern ==

===Kate===
*[[Kate]] lied about her name to protect herself from someone, possibly the Order. The order is the connection to lg15.
*Kate was a Ceremony girl. (disproven)
*Kate is [[Cassie]].
*Kate is [[Tachyon]]. (disproven: the characters Tachyon/OpAphid/Brother cannot legally be used by The Creators)
*Kate is Trait Positive. (proven)
*Kate is the New Girl that [[Alex]] mentioned.
*Kate is Lucy. (disproven)
*Kate will join the HoO and Gavin, Tariq, and Charlie will try to save her.
*The same people that kidnapped Jonas, Daniel & Bree in Las Vegas and wiped their memories did the same to Kate (disproven)
*Kate is a parallel character to Bree.
*Kate and Bree are twins. (Disproven: Kate is 19 while at the time of her death Bree was only 17)
*Kate may be [[Bree]]'s biological sister.
*Before becoming Kate, she stayed in a mental institution. (disproven though she stayed in a hospital for a month because of her dreams.)
*The people that wiped Jonas's parents' memories did the same to Kate.
*She is a compulsive/knowing liar and lied about making up the alias Kate.
*Kate is possibly suffering from DID resulting in her loss of memories

===Charlie===
*[[Charlie]]'s parents are members of the Order.
*Charlie is Tariq's ex-girlfriend.
*Charlie is dating Gavin. (proven)
*Charlie is Gemma's ex-flatmate
*Charlie is Gemma's sister
*Charlie was once pregnant and lost the baby through miscarriage, abortion, or adoption.
*Charlie is a parallel character to Daniel and Taylor.
*Charlie's sister and niece are dead (possibly killed by the Order) and that's why she misses them so much.(disproven:Charlie put one message in her video "[[Tell Kim I Love Her]]",to tell her niece that Charlie loves her .)
*Charlie is a parallel character to Sarah.
*Charlie is working for the HoO or, possibly, the Order.

===Gavin===
*[[Gavin]] and Tariq are good friends, but he barely knows Kate.(disproven)
*Gavin will see the lg15 videos and ask Jonas for a loan. (disproven)
*Gavin is a member of the HofO or the Order.
*Gavin is a member of the Resistance.
*Gavin is a parallel character to Jonas, which could mean that he also has connections to the Order.
*Gavin kidnapped Kate.

===Tariq===
*[[Tariq]] has watched [[lonelygirl15]], and has heard of [[the Order]]. He will be the connection between [[Kate]], [[Charlie]], [[Gavin]], himself, and [[Daniel]], [[Sarah]], [[Taylor]], [[Jonas]], and [[Spencer]] (and possibly [[Bree]]). (disproven: he watched the videos, but only after finding the HoO pamphlet.)
*The Order will kidnap Tariq because he researched the Hymn of One after finding the pamphlet.
* Tariq is a parallel character to Daniel.
* Tariq's date will have some connection to HoO/The Order

===Steve===
*[[Steve]] is a member of the Order
*He's a Watcher. (disproven)
*He is Carl (disproven).
*Steve is a parallel character to [[Alex]].
*He will use his inside knowledge to help Kate and her friends.

===Aunt Joan===
*Aunt Joan is related to Jonas.
*Aunt Joan is the girl from the [[1943 abduction]].

===Sophie===
*[[Sophie]] is working with Nikki Bower.

===Dudley===
*[[Dudley]] and Spencer are half brothers.
*[[Dudley]] and [[Spencer]] are parallel characters.
*[[The Mistress]] is his mother.
*He is [[LaRezisto]].

===Dr. William Griffin===

===Michelle Clore===
*[[Michelle Clore]] is in the Order. (Proven)
*[[Michelle Clore]] is an Elder.
*Her bodyguards are actually [[Watchers]]. (Proven)
*Her touch "burned" Kate somehow. (disproven, Kate saw "flashes of dreams when she was touched.")
*She is the woman from [[Awful Dream]].

== See Also ==
[[Unanswered Questions]]
[[Category:Theories and speculation]]