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Snow Angels

2007-10-02T22:44:06Z

67.177.172.253: /* Notes */

{{Blog
| name = Snow Angels
| number = 0136
| image = Jonas snow angels.jpg
| caption = Even though we just posted a video of our surroundings, the Order will never find us now!
| blogger = Jonas
| date = February 20th, 2007
| url = {{lg15|190}}
| forumid = 6665
| description = We did some scouting this morning to check out the area.
| location = [[Jonas's cabin]]
| length = 2:13
| tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|snow|angels|hiking|cabin}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Miles Beckett
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Jonas}}
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}

| Previous = Yellow Snow
| Next = Jonas Sucks
| PreviousB = Valentine's Day Massacre
| NextB = Proving Bree Wrong
| PreviousC = 
| NextC = 
}}
{{EpHeader|136}} [[Jonas]] and [[Bree]] check out the perimeter around [[Jonas's cabin]].

==Transcript==
'''Jonas:''' Everybody, I'm, uh, I'm whispering because I don't want to wake up Daniel. Check it out. (''Pans to show Daniel asleep on the couch. Laughs.'') Anyway, so, uh, we made it up here to my parents' cabin, uploaded the video, and then just crashed out. Hopefully, we'll be safer up here...after what happened to us. So, I ran into Bree last night about three in the morning. Neither of us could sleep, so we watched TV. And she said that she wanted to, I don't know, go out and hike and scout the perimeter, make sure it was safe today, so...that's what we're doing.

(''Montage of Jonas making peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.'')

'''Jonas:''' There she is.

'''Bree:''' (''Walks into the room carrying a white coat'') You ready to go?

'''Jonas:''' Oh yeah. Look, I made sandwiches. I know-I know they're not egg salad, but...peanut butter, right? Huh? Chunky.

(''Cut to Bree and Jonas outside. Bree sits down on a bench and eats her sandwich. Cut to Bree throwing the snow up in the air. Cut to Jonas making a snow angel.'')

'''Bree:''' Okay, so, we checked the perimeter around the house pretty thoroughly, and...so far everything looks good. We're still gonna have one person stay awake all night, take turns, to keep watch. Right now, we're heading back to the house!

(''Cut back to the house. Jonas is saying something unintelligible.'')

'''Bree:''' No, I can't, I don't have a job.

'''Jonas:''' Yeah...

(''Camera pans to Daniel sitting at the table eating breakfast'')

'''Jonas:''' Hey, Beast, what's up, man?

'''Bree:''' (''talking over Jonas'') Hello.

'''Daniel:''' Morning.

'''Jonas:''' How you doin'? How'd you sleep?

'''Daniel:''' Long.

'''Jonas:''' Yeah?

'''Daniel:''' Yeah. Where'd you guys go?

'''Jonas:''' We went--

'''Bree:''' Every--

'''Jonas:''' Everywhere dude. It was crazy.

'''Bree:''' (''Giggles'')

'''Daniel:''' Yeah?

'''Jonas:''' Mmhmm.

'''Daniel:''' Thanks for waking me up.

'''Jonas:''' I thought you wanted to sleep?

'''Daniel:''' Whatever. (''Gets up and leaves'')

(''Camera pans back to Jonas, who makes a pained expression.'')

==Notes==
* The egg salad comment by Jonas refers to [[My Parents Suck...]]. In that video, Bree makes egg salad sandwiches for her hike with Daniel.
* Jonas is once again sporting a [[cap]], but odds are it was just because of the cold weather.
* Fans generally agree that the scouting out of the perimeter by Bree and Jonas seemed a little more romantically-driven than the two of them would admit to.
* [[Plot holes#Infinite_clothes|Where Bree got snow clothes from]], or why she would have them in the first place is unknown.
* If indeed the Order knows who Jonas is, they should be able to quickly locate his parents' cabin by researching County & State real estate records.

Looking For Daniel

2007-10-02T21:28:24Z

67.177.172.253: /* Notes */

{{Blog
|name = Looking For Daniel
|number = 0124
|image = Video0124.jpg
|caption = I hope Daniel wasn't cut into little pieces and eaten by a cannibalistic mountain man!
|blogger = Bree
|date = January 29th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|164}}
|forumid = 5759
|description = Daniel never came back, so Jonas and I went to Pins and Pints to look for him. I really hope he's okay.
| location = [[General LA area|Los Angeles]], [[Minor locations#Pins and Pints|Pins and Pints]]
|length = 1:24
|tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|pins|pints|hamster|bowling|missing|look|help|drive}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Glenn Rubenstein
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Glenn Rubenstein
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Jonas}}
| Previous = Daniel's Missing!
| Next = Sleepover
| NextB = The Cowboy
}}
{{EpHeader|124}} [[Bree]] and [[Jonas]] go searching for [[Daniel]], who still has not come back.

==Transcript==
(''Bree is in the passenger seat of Jonas's car while he drives'')

'''Bree:''' So, Daniel never showed up and...we got worried. We went over to the bowling alley where he was, you know, last seen.

(''Cut to moving shot of the road, and inside the bowling alley'')

'''Bree:''' (''voiceover'') I guess Daniel was drinking with this guy who comes in a lot. He's a local. The bartender said that Daniel left with him.

(''Cut back to Bree; the car is now parked'')

'''Bree:''' I just got a text from Daniel. It says, "no good." What does that mean? I tried calling him but... he didn't pick up. (''sighs'') At least I know that he's okay.

(''Cut to Jonas walking towards the camera across the parking lot'')

'''Bree:''' Any luck?

'''Jonas:''' A little.

(''Camera pans around parking lot, past a man with a white van. Bree and Jonas get back into the SUV. Cut to Bree; the car is moving again'')

'''Bree:''' We were gonna go home, but Jonas got the address from the bartender for where that guy lives. Where is it again?

'''Jonas:''' Uh... it's up in the mountains.

(''Bree gives a somewhat worried look to the camera and sighs. Music then plays over a montage of shots filmed out the car windows. It has begun to rain. Aside from the other cars, we see a person riding a bicycle on the side of the road and later a cross possibly on top of a church. Suddenly, the music and images stop, and there are several seconds of black.'')

==Notes==
* While Bree is waiting in the parking lot of the bowling alley, a man in a blue shirt standing by a white van can be seen in the background. He seems to be watching Bree and Jonas. Later, while they are on the road, a white van can be seen slightly ahead of them. (Pictured below)
* This video could not have actually been posted. According to their next video, Bree and Jonas arrived at a motel the evening this was posted and went to an Internet Cafe the next day.
* Some fans have suggested that Jonas's vagueness in answering Bree's questions is suspicious, while others have defended that he might not want to say certain things on camera, knowing that they may be followed. Either way, it seems likely that all that Bree says is hearsay from Jonas, as we never see her enter the bowling alley.
* Also, Daniel's disappearance could be reminding Jonas of his own parents' disappearance.
* Part of the final driving scene was filmed on the 101 Freeway in Woodland Hills, CA.
* The strange tag [[hamster]] has appeared, without explanation, in seven other Bree videos, one Jonas video and one OpAphid video.
* It is not clear who owns the cellphone. If it's Bree's, this is the first time that we have knowledge that she has a cellphone. It brings up the obvious question, [[Plot holes#Bree Has A Cell Phone|who's been paying her bills all these months her parents have been gone]]?
*Because the driving scenes were filmed on the 101 freeway in Woodland Hills, it is probable that the bowling alley is The Woodlake Lanes on Ventura Blvd. in Woodland Hills, CA
[[Image:Whitevan.jpg|thumb|left|Did the watcher uniform change?]]

[[Image:Looking For Daniel.JPG|thumb|left|Is Jonas following the white van?]]

Looking For Daniel

2007-10-02T21:27:47Z

67.177.172.253: /* Notes */

{{Blog
|name = Looking For Daniel
|number = 0124
|image = Video0124.jpg
|caption = I hope Daniel wasn't cut into little pieces and eaten by a cannibalistic mountain man!
|blogger = Bree
|date = January 29th, 2007
|url = {{lg15|164}}
|forumid = 5759
|description = Daniel never came back, so Jonas and I went to Pins and Pints to look for him. I really hope he's okay.
| location = [[General LA area|Los Angeles]], [[Minor locations#Pins and Pints|Pins and Pints]]
|length = 1:24
|tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|jonas|jonastko|pins|pints|hamster|bowling|missing|look|help|drive}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders and Glenn Rubenstein
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders and Glenn Rubenstein
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song =
| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Jonas}}
| Previous = Daniel's Missing!
| Next = Sleepover
| NextB = The Cowboy
}}
{{EpHeader|124}} [[Bree]] and [[Jonas]] go searching for [[Daniel]], who still has not come back.

==Transcript==
(''Bree is in the passenger seat of Jonas's car while he drives'')

'''Bree:''' So, Daniel never showed up and...we got worried. We went over to the bowling alley where he was, you know, last seen.

(''Cut to moving shot of the road, and inside the bowling alley'')

'''Bree:''' (''voiceover'') I guess Daniel was drinking with this guy who comes in a lot. He's a local. The bartender said that Daniel left with him.

(''Cut back to Bree; the car is now parked'')

'''Bree:''' I just got a text from Daniel. It says, "no good." What does that mean? I tried calling him but... he didn't pick up. (''sighs'') At least I know that he's okay.

(''Cut to Jonas walking towards the camera across the parking lot'')

'''Bree:''' Any luck?

'''Jonas:''' A little.

(''Camera pans around parking lot, past a man with a white van. Bree and Jonas get back into the SUV. Cut to Bree; the car is moving again'')

'''Bree:''' We were gonna go home, but Jonas got the address from the bartender for where that guy lives. Where is it again?

'''Jonas:''' Uh... it's up in the mountains.

(''Bree gives a somewhat worried look to the camera and sighs. Music then plays over a montage of shots filmed out the car windows. It has begun to rain. Aside from the other cars, we see a person riding a bicycle on the side of the road and later a cross possibly on top of a church. Suddenly, the music and images stop, and there are several seconds of black.'')

==Notes==
* While Bree is waiting in the parking lot of the bowling alley, a man in a blue shirt standing by a white van can be seen in the background. He seems to be watching Bree and Jonas. Later, while they are on the road, a white van can be seen slightly ahead of them. (Pictured below)
* This video could not have actually been posted. According to their next video, Bree and Jonas arrived at a motel the evening this was posted and went to an Internet Cafe the next day.
* Some fans have suggested that Jonas's vagueness in answering Bree's questions is suspicious, while others have defended that he might not want to say certain things on camera, knowing that they may be followed. Either way, it seems likely that all that Bree says is hearsay from Jonas, as we never see her enter the bowling alley.
* Also, Daniel's disappearance could be reminding Jonas of his own parents' disappearance.
* Part of the final driving scene was filmed on the 101 Freeway in Woodland Hills, CA.
* The strange tag [[hamster]] has appeared, without explanation, in seven other Bree videos, one Jonas video and one OpAphid video.
* It is not clear who owns the cellphone. If it's Bree's, this is the first time that we have knowledge that she has a cellphone. It brings up the obvious question, [[Plot holes#Bree has a cell phone|who's been paying her bills all these months her parents have been gone]]?
*Because the driving scenes were filmed on the 101 freeway in Woodland Hills, it is probable that the bowling alley is The Woodlake Lanes on Ventura Blvd. in Woodland Hills, CA
[[Image:Whitevan.jpg|thumb|left|Did the watcher uniform change?]]

[[Image:Looking For Daniel.JPG|thumb|left|Is Jonas following the white van?]]

Plot holes

2007-10-02T21:27:21Z

67.177.172.253: /* Bree Has A Cell Phone? */

There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of [[the Creators]]. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.

==Infinite clothes==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': When Bree and [[Daniel]] first went on the run from [[the Order]] in [[On The Run]], they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in [[Homeless]], when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that [[Tachyon]] told them about, they went to [[Jonas's house]]. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.</p>

==No mention of the Gilmans==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Bree and [[Bree's parents#Father|her father]] were going to go see [[Isaac Gilman|Isaac]] and [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]], why didn't Bree say anything to [[Jonas]] or [[Daniel]] later?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.</p>

==No mention of later injections==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?</div>

==Contradicting accounts of Cassie's departure==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?</div>

==Invisible money==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': He doesn't. It has been suggested this is how the Order keeps finding them - although one should keep in mind that there were always other reasons presented in the series, such as bugged cars, traced cellphones or treasonous aunts.</p>

==Gemma's warning about Watchers==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in [[Subjects Apprehended]], it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 2''': Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance of influencing her later.</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 3''': In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.</p>

==Bree Has A Cell Phone==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How is it possible for Bree to have a cell phone? Who has been paying for it all these months her parents been gone?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution:''' It's plausible that Jonas has been paying for her cell phone bill.</p>

==Missing Watchers for Jules==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why weren't there Watchers to protect [[Jules]]?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution:''' The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - '''but:''' She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to ''look'' like a ceremony girl?</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 2:''' On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.</p>

==The forgotten parents==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?</div>
:<p>'''Possible Solution:''' Daniel said in one of his videos that his parents "weren't exactly the 'hands-on' type." It is possible that his parents don't care where he is. There is also some evidence that Daniel has a history of [[Inebriated|alcoholism]], which may speak volumes about his family life. Also, Daniel talks more about his parents and his relationship with his grandmother in the video [[Comfort Food]].
:'''Possible Soultion 2:''' The characters don't include every last detail of their lives in these videos. It's possible that Daniel has been calling his parents to keep them up to date on where he is, but he didn't think it was important enough to mention on camera.

==Contradicting accounts on whether the Order watches videos==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In "[[Mystery Movies]]", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "[[Me For Daniel]]" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B.'s]] videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This is called a "{{wikipedia|retcon}}", which stands for ''Retroactive continuity''. Put bluntly, it is a ''deliberate'' continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.
:'''Solution:''' This could also be explained if Bree contacted Lucy herself, and simply posted the video for people to know what was going on.

==Illogical Ceremony date hints==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This was most likely not a clue planted by Bree, but the Creators. Something for US to find out.

==Counterproductive fearmongering==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?</div>

'''Solution:''' This might have been meant as a tool not to scare her away from the Ceremony, but to scare her into it: '''"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."'''

==Bree's "Sacrifice"==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In her last message, Bree said she gave herself up so the order would stop going after her friends and endanger their lives, but in the very same message she asks her friends to help other ceremony girls and fight to bring down the order, thus putting their lives at risk once again and making her sacrifice completely redundant.</div>

'Solution:' By sacrificing her self, Bree made it so that her friends were no longer targets of the Order. Obviously she could not have anticipated that Emma existed, let alone that she was trait positive. But between Bree's death and home invasion and [[Home Invasion]], TAAG was completely safe from the Order.

==LaRezisto image puzzle==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">
#LaRezisto uploaded the pictures to Flickr, telling us in the video "[...] Only the following could be removed at this point. watch closely. somewhere in these images is our girl.".
#Among the images was one painting of a girl with flowers, tagged "8-30-07"
#On August 30, 2007, LaRezisto [[Run!|uploaded a new image to the Flickr account]], eventually removing all others, showing Emma and some flowers, captioned "next".

That raises the question: If the images originally uploaded supposedly were the only ones LaRezisto got off the disk, how come he/they not only knew in advance they'd upload a new picture on August 30, but actually knew it'd show the new girl ''with flowers''? The fact that they knew they'd upload a new picture on August 30 is questionable enough. The fact that they knew it'd be of the new girl is ridiculous already. But that they knew it'd be the girl ''and flowers'' is only plausible if they knew they picture already - which makes the entire puzzle an illogical mess. Had they known the identity of the girl and wanted to broadcast it publically, there'd have been no reason to hide the image among the others themselves, so it was not LaRezisto who hid the image. However, if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto already found it, there'd have been no reason to have us look for it again. And if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto didn't find it, there is no way they could've known its content and the upload date in advance.</div>

==See also==
*[[Unanswered Questions]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

Plot holes

2007-10-02T21:25:12Z

67.177.172.253: /* Bree's Cell Phone */

There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of [[the Creators]]. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.

==Infinite clothes==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': When Bree and [[Daniel]] first went on the run from [[the Order]] in [[On The Run]], they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in [[Homeless]], when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that [[Tachyon]] told them about, they went to [[Jonas's house]]. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.</p>

==No mention of the Gilmans==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Bree and [[Bree's parents#Father|her father]] were going to go see [[Isaac Gilman|Isaac]] and [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]], why didn't Bree say anything to [[Jonas]] or [[Daniel]] later?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.</p>

==No mention of later injections==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?</div>

==Contradicting accounts of Cassie's departure==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?</div>

==Invisible money==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': He doesn't. It has been suggested this is how the Order keeps finding them - although one should keep in mind that there were always other reasons presented in the series, such as bugged cars, traced cellphones or treasonous aunts.</p>

==Gemma's warning about Watchers==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in [[Subjects Apprehended]], it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 2''': Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance of influencing her later.</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 3''': In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.</p>

==Bree Has A Cell Phone?==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How is it possible for Bree to have a cell phone? Who has been paying for it all these months her parents been gone?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution:''' It's plausible that Jonas has been paying for her cell phone bill.</p>

==Missing Watchers for Jules==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why weren't there Watchers to protect [[Jules]]?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution:''' The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - '''but:''' She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to ''look'' like a ceremony girl?</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 2:''' On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.</p>

==The forgotten parents==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?</div>
:<p>'''Possible Solution:''' Daniel said in one of his videos that his parents "weren't exactly the 'hands-on' type." It is possible that his parents don't care where he is. There is also some evidence that Daniel has a history of [[Inebriated|alcoholism]], which may speak volumes about his family life. Also, Daniel talks more about his parents and his relationship with his grandmother in the video [[Comfort Food]].
:'''Possible Soultion 2:''' The characters don't include every last detail of their lives in these videos. It's possible that Daniel has been calling his parents to keep them up to date on where he is, but he didn't think it was important enough to mention on camera.

==Contradicting accounts on whether the Order watches videos==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In "[[Mystery Movies]]", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "[[Me For Daniel]]" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B.'s]] videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This is called a "{{wikipedia|retcon}}", which stands for ''Retroactive continuity''. Put bluntly, it is a ''deliberate'' continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.
:'''Solution:''' This could also be explained if Bree contacted Lucy herself, and simply posted the video for people to know what was going on.

==Illogical Ceremony date hints==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This was most likely not a clue planted by Bree, but the Creators. Something for US to find out.

==Counterproductive fearmongering==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?</div>

'''Solution:''' This might have been meant as a tool not to scare her away from the Ceremony, but to scare her into it: '''"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."'''

==Bree's "Sacrifice"==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In her last message, Bree said she gave herself up so the order would stop going after her friends and endanger their lives, but in the very same message she asks her friends to help other ceremony girls and fight to bring down the order, thus putting their lives at risk once again and making her sacrifice completely redundant.</div>

'Solution:' By sacrificing her self, Bree made it so that her friends were no longer targets of the Order. Obviously she could not have anticipated that Emma existed, let alone that she was trait positive. But between Bree's death and home invasion and [[Home Invasion]], TAAG was completely safe from the Order.

==LaRezisto image puzzle==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">
#LaRezisto uploaded the pictures to Flickr, telling us in the video "[...] Only the following could be removed at this point. watch closely. somewhere in these images is our girl.".
#Among the images was one painting of a girl with flowers, tagged "8-30-07"
#On August 30, 2007, LaRezisto [[Run!|uploaded a new image to the Flickr account]], eventually removing all others, showing Emma and some flowers, captioned "next".

That raises the question: If the images originally uploaded supposedly were the only ones LaRezisto got off the disk, how come he/they not only knew in advance they'd upload a new picture on August 30, but actually knew it'd show the new girl ''with flowers''? The fact that they knew they'd upload a new picture on August 30 is questionable enough. The fact that they knew it'd be of the new girl is ridiculous already. But that they knew it'd be the girl ''and flowers'' is only plausible if they knew they picture already - which makes the entire puzzle an illogical mess. Had they known the identity of the girl and wanted to broadcast it publically, there'd have been no reason to hide the image among the others themselves, so it was not LaRezisto who hid the image. However, if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto already found it, there'd have been no reason to have us look for it again. And if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto didn't find it, there is no way they could've known its content and the upload date in advance.</div>

==See also==
*[[Unanswered Questions]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

Plot holes

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There have been a number of details that have happened in the Breeniverse that some fans view as mistakes on the part of [[the Creators]]. Here is a list of them, and suggested or actual resolutions.

==Infinite clothes==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why do the characters, no matter how long they're on the run or how homeless they are, always have an infinite amount of fresh clothes with them?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': When Bree and [[Daniel]] first went on the run from [[the Order]] in [[On The Run]], they took Daniel's car. Bree could have stored clothes in Daniel's car. Later, in [[Homeless]], when they had to ditch Daniel's car due to a tracking device that [[Tachyon]] told them about, they went to [[Jonas's house]]. Jonas, a rich guy, probably bought a lot of clothes for Bree and Daniel, and they stored some of them in Jonas's car when they had to leave Jonas's house.</p>

==No mention of the Gilmans==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Bree and [[Bree's parents#Father|her father]] were going to go see [[Isaac Gilman|Isaac]] and [[Spencer|Spencer Gilman]], why didn't Bree say anything to [[Jonas]] or [[Daniel]] later?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': Even though her father said "let me talk to Bree" when asked if he could meet Isaac Gilman, it is possible he didn't mention they were going to meet somebody, or who exactly.</p>

==No mention of later injections==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In order to speak to Bree about meeting Isaac Gilman, Bree must've been next to Drew Avery during his phone call. This means she heard the words "final injection". She also knew that her father was against her doing the Ceremony, so it was unlikely the injections were preperation for it. Why didn't she mention any of this to Daniel or Jonas?</div>

==Contradicting accounts of Cassie's departure==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How come Bree says at one point that Cassie stopped talking to her because Bree's religion freaked her out, but says in a later video that they haven't seen each other since Bree took the blame for Cassie's prank phone calls?</div>

==Invisible money==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How does Jonas finance their adventures without leaving a trail for the Order to follow when he uses ATM's and such?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': He doesn't. It has been suggested this is how the Order keeps finding them - although one should keep in mind that there were always other reasons presented in the series, such as bugged cars, traced cellphones or treasonous aunts.</p>

==Gemma's warning about Watchers==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why did Gemma warn Bree about the Watchers, especially if they were working for the Order?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution''': Watchers are assigned to protect Bree, no matter from whom. Gemma was working for OP APHID, a more radical wing of the Order; if APHID has/had similar goals like the faction that sent the Shadow in [[Subjects Apprehended]], it is possible the Watchers would've been an obstacle had they tried to take Bree by force. Telling Bree the Watchers are evil, while they are in fact protecting her, was an easy way of separating Bree and the Watchers.</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 2''': Another possibility is that Gemma ventured a minor information to gain Bree's trust, in order to have a better chance of influencing her later.</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 3''': In addition, there is the possibility that Gemma wasn't originally evil, but was found and turned later. This, however, is improbable, given that Tachyon said Gemma had tried to kill Brother months before the events of lonelygirl15.</p>

==Bree's Cell Phone==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">How is it possible for Bree to have a cell phone? Who has been paying for it all these months her parents been gone?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution:'''It's plausible that Jonas has been paying for her cell phone bill.</p>

==Missing Watchers for Jules==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why weren't there Watchers to protect [[Jules]]?</div>
:<p>'''Possible solution:''' The obvious answer to this is that she is trait negative, and thus not a ceremony girl - '''but:''' She was supposed to work as bait for Bree and the others, so shouldn't she have gotten Watchers just to ''look'' like a ceremony girl?</p>

:<p>'''Possible solution 2:''' On the other hand, some people argue that the presence of Watchers might have scared BDJ off, and that this would've been contrary to the Order's plans, which is why they didn't position any obvious Watchers.</p>

==The forgotten parents==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">What is Daniel doing about his parents? They can't possibly believe that he's still camping, can they?</div>
:<p>'''Possible Solution:''' Daniel said in one of his videos that his parents "weren't exactly the 'hands-on' type." It is possible that his parents don't care where he is. There is also some evidence that Daniel has a history of [[Inebriated|alcoholism]], which may speak volumes about his family life. Also, Daniel talks more about his parents and his relationship with his grandmother in the video [[Comfort Food]].
:'''Possible Soultion 2:''' The characters don't include every last detail of their lives in these videos. It's possible that Daniel has been calling his parents to keep them up to date on where he is, but he didn't think it was important enough to mention on camera.

==Contradicting accounts on whether the Order watches videos==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In "[[Mystery Movies]]", we find out that Bree's dad must be watching her videos, and we know from the video "[[Me For Daniel]]" that the Order is watching Bree's videos- but later, in one of [[Nikki Bower|Nikki B.'s]] videos, we find out that the Order doesn't watch her videos - why?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This is called a "{{wikipedia|retcon}}", which stands for ''Retroactive continuity''. Put bluntly, it is a ''deliberate'' continuity error in order to change information that was previously given. Basically, the Creators didn't like the fact that the Order sees the videos anymore, so they simply said it doesn't - no matter if it makes sense or not.
:'''Solution:''' This could also be explained if Bree contacted Lucy herself, and simply posted the video for people to know what was going on.

==Illogical Ceremony date hints==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">Why would Bree hint that the Ceremony would take place on 10/12/06 when it was only a false Ceremony that hadn't been planned yet (we know this because Bree says that it wasn't planned until after the people helping her prepare found out Daniel was filming them)? Also, why did she have to lie to her parents about when the Ceremony took place?</div>
:'''Solution:''' This was most likely not a clue planted by Bree, but the Creators. Something for US to find out.

==Counterproductive fearmongering==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">If Gemma really thought Bree should do the Ceremony, why did she scare her by saying that after the Ceremony, the family she told about disappeared?</div>

'''Solution:''' This might have been meant as a tool not to scare her away from the Ceremony, but to scare her into it: '''"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."'''

==Bree's "Sacrifice"==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">In her last message, Bree said she gave herself up so the order would stop going after her friends and endanger their lives, but in the very same message she asks her friends to help other ceremony girls and fight to bring down the order, thus putting their lives at risk once again and making her sacrifice completely redundant.</div>

'Solution:' By sacrificing her self, Bree made it so that her friends were no longer targets of the Order. Obviously she could not have anticipated that Emma existed, let alone that she was trait positive. But between Bree's death and home invasion and [[Home Invasion]], TAAG was completely safe from the Order.

==LaRezisto image puzzle==
<div style="background-color: #f5f5f5; border: 2px solid #333333; padding: 4px; font-family: monospace;">
#LaRezisto uploaded the pictures to Flickr, telling us in the video "[...] Only the following could be removed at this point. watch closely. somewhere in these images is our girl.".
#Among the images was one painting of a girl with flowers, tagged "8-30-07"
#On August 30, 2007, LaRezisto [[Run!|uploaded a new image to the Flickr account]], eventually removing all others, showing Emma and some flowers, captioned "next".

That raises the question: If the images originally uploaded supposedly were the only ones LaRezisto got off the disk, how come he/they not only knew in advance they'd upload a new picture on August 30, but actually knew it'd show the new girl ''with flowers''? The fact that they knew they'd upload a new picture on August 30 is questionable enough. The fact that they knew it'd be of the new girl is ridiculous already. But that they knew it'd be the girl ''and flowers'' is only plausible if they knew they picture already - which makes the entire puzzle an illogical mess. Had they known the identity of the girl and wanted to broadcast it publically, there'd have been no reason to hide the image among the others themselves, so it was not LaRezisto who hid the image. However, if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto already found it, there'd have been no reason to have us look for it again. And if The Order hid the image, and LaRezisto didn't find it, there is no way they could've known its content and the upload date in advance.</div>

==See also==
*[[Unanswered Questions]]

[[Category:Behind the scenes]]

What Happened???

2007-09-10T23:45:47Z

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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two-hundred eighty-fourth video in the lonelygirl15 video series. It is also the twenty-eighth video of season two.

==Transcript==
'''Jonas''': Yeah, i know, last Friday was pretty crazy. I read your comments, and honestly, I'm just as confused as you guys are. I know what i saw, but... i dont know. Anyway, I look at the footage Daniel and Sarah got and i tried to make sense of things.

Sarah contacted us the night before, and she told us that she was bringing the serum. We told her to meet us outside of town, we didn't wanna take any chances so she hitched a ride. When she got there, well, you saw. The order chased us through the woods, and we thought we'd lost them but they, they had helicopters.

They found us and demanded that we turn over Emma, but i wasn't gonna let that happen. One of those guys in black kinda looked like a watcher and the others sorta looked like shadows, but i dont know, not as jacked up and younger.
All of a sudden, one of those guys fired at us, but it hit the dirt next to Daniel, so i think, maybe, was a warning shot. Next thing i knew, Emma freaked out, ran at the guy, and jumped on him. He hit the ground and he was dead. And I'm not exactly sure how it happened but he definitely wasn't shot. He was alive until Emma touched him. No blood, no gun shot wound, nothin. I'm still tryin to wrap my head around this and.. I'll be the first to admit its weird. But you know what? I know what i saw. Anyway i think, that tomorrow I'm gonna go back to where it happened, and see what i can dig up.

==Notes==

What Happened???

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What Happened???

2007-09-10T23:45:13Z

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What Happened???

2007-09-10T23:44:03Z

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| url = {{lg15|353}}
| forumid = 13910
| length = 1:28
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'''{{PAGENAME}}''' is the two-hundred eighty-fourth video in the lonelygirl15 video series. It is also the twenty-eighth video of season two.

==Transcript==
Jonas: Yeah, i know, last Friday was pretty crazy. I read your comments, and honestly, I'm just as confused as you guys are. I know what i saw, but... i dont know. Anyway, I look at the footage Daniel and Sarah got and i tried to make sense of things.

Sarah contacted us the night before, and she told us that she was bringing the serum. We told her to meet us outside of town, we didn't wanna take any chances so she hitched a ride. When she got there, well, you saw. The order chased us through the woods, and we thought we'd lost them but they, they had helicopters.

They found us and demanded that we turn over Emma, but i wasn't gonna let that happen. One of those guys in black kinda looked like a watcher and the others sorta looked like shadows, but i dont know, not as jacked up and younger.
All of a sudden, one of those guys fired at us, but it hit the dirt next to Daniel, so i think, maybe, was a warning shot. Next thing i knew, Emma freaked out, ran at the guy, and jumped on him. He hit the ground and he was dead. And I'm not exactly sure how it happened but he definitely wasn't shot. He was alive until Emma touched him. No blood, no gun shot wound, nothin. I'm still tryin to wrap my head around this and.. I'll be the first to admit its weird. But you know what? I know what i saw. Anyway i think, that tomorrow I'm gonna go back to where it happened, and see what i can dig up.

==Notes==