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[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|In happier days, friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] (now retired), [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] (also retired) enjoyed unseasonably warm afternoons on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

 

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==No uploading??==

The "Upload File" function doesn't seem to be working since the site renovation (for me, anyway, and judging by the fact that [[Mission Possible]] still doesn't have a pic, probably for everyone else). Is someone actively working to fix this? (Please???) ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 17:33, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I don't know, but it's not working for me either. Someone should probably send an email to the right person if no one already has. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure if I should just send it straight to [[the Creators]] or to someone else. If it's not fixed in the next few hours and no one has responded here, I'll go ahead and send them an email.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 19:18, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Zoey mentioned she had e-mailed BK an hour ago.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:20, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

We can upload files now (and quite amusingly, [[User:EmoGlasses|EmoGlasses]] and I uploaded nearly identical pictures, respectively called NinjaSpencer and SpencerNinja). However, the picture doesn't appear on the episode template, and in its place is a distracting error message. I've left it up there for now, but I'm sure that someone will revert that... ~ '''[[User:Jbshryne|JBSHRYNE]]''' 23:03, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

: *Hair pull out* Darn error messages! Okay, I'm working on it.. contacting people. Hopefully we get this all sorted out soon! :( --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:32, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

::Make sure to tell them the problem is most likely a faulty installation of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GD_Graphics_Library libgd], specific error messages being "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromjpeg</code>" and "<code>Incomplete GD library configuration: missing function imagecreatefromgif</code>".

::Googling the error messages should give them enough results to find the error.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:18, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
::P.S.: Did I mention it takes extra-effort to fuck up server libraries while moving around ''content''?

::: The new lonelygirl15 site is blah, IMO. I don't even see why they had to tinker with the LGPedia. Our old design matched, but now the portals, particularly the LG portal, really clash with this new gray/modernist design. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:20, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Wait, are you saying you dislike the LGPedia design or the Lonelygirl15 design? I'm confused. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 21:42, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

==Missions Page==
I was thinking about having a missions page for the lonelygirl5 characters. Like a list of their missions, and what worked, what didn't, who was involved, why were they doing this. Sort of like one part of it could be about obtaining jules. Does anyone think we should do that, or not? Does anyone have any new missions? Like they can work with me to find all missions.[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:14, 24 July 2007 (CDT)
:I support this idea. It's good to gather information on a wiki. Anyhow, the capturing of Jules, the getting Bree back millions of times, the breaking into Lucy's apartment twice, the whole deal. Should we create it at [[Missions]]? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:27, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, I'm imagine we could add Daniel's rescue, the tailing of Alex, and the search for Isaac Gilman as well! --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 11:32, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::Someone need to put it on a sandbox and we can all work on it together. I'm not sure how to work with a sandbox.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:26, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::There i tried to start it, but it wasn't very succesful. If you are good with codes please go here. http://www.lg15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=User:Houdini/sandbox

:That was just an idea to have the blue border and the table format. If you like can you spoof it up a bit. And if you don't, feel free to change it.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:35, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

::We could do the capturing of Jules, the Vegas capturing of BDJ, the tailing of Alex, the search for Isaac Gilman, the race to contact Spencer Gilman, Daniel breaking into the EPOGEN warehouse, Daniel breaking into Lucy's apartment, the Mexico capturing of Alex by Lucy, getting Bree back, Bree escaping to be with her fellow Hymnies, getting Bree back again, the Order murdering Drew and Isaac, Brother murdering Gemma, Tachyon exposing Gemma, and so the saga continues. It's a lot, but I think it'd be nice to keep all the missions somewhere. '''Strong support.''' [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:41, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

==Show Template?==
Considering that [[lonelygirl15]] and [[KateModern]] right now both use [[Template:FakeBlog2]], I think it's time for a show template. The show template could have slots for the creators of the show, the main cast of the show, an image of the main cast of the show, a caption for that image, beginning date to end date (end date optional - if you don't fill it in, it would say "to present"), optional spin-off slot, & more. Any opinions? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 10:10, 27 July 2007 (CDT)
:Any thoughts at all? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hello? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:::You remind me of a child..."Mom, look what I'm doing! Mom! Mom! Look! YOU'RE NOT LOOOOOKING!!!"
:::Isn't the fact that nobody responds answer enough?
:::We. Don't. Care.
:::The current setup works fine. On a theoretical level, you are right. FakeBlog2 is abused in that situation, and a dedicated template would make sense. But practically, ''it's overkill''. Why create an entire new template for ''two pages'' if the hack works flawlessly?
:::The only difference a dedicated show template would make is that a dozen fan series would start using it.
:::So, as said...nobody responded for a reason. If you consider it necessary, go ahead and do it. But the fact that not even ''Houdini'', who's enthusiastic about pretty much everything, replied, should give you a hint about how much interest there is in this topic.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

::That was harsh Renegade. Anywase i honestly didn't get what you meant silver. I must have read it while i was tired. Anywase i say go ahead and do it. It doesn't hurt to do it. It only adds to LGPedia in a good way. Oh and renegade what did that enthusiastic thing mean.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:42, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

:::What was harsh about that? If all other discussions on this page get replies but this one doesn't, that ''is'' a pretty good indicator that nobody cares. There's nothing harsh about that, and it's not even ment in an insulting way. That's just how it is. As I said, on a technical level, he's right, so there's probably no one here who'd object - but on a practical level, everything works, so no one here is motivated to change it, either. So, nobody cares. If he wants to change it, fine. If not, everything still works. Nothing harsh about it. Just human nature.
:::And that enthusiastic thing was pointing out that, even though you are involved in everything and always happy to edit and start new projects, not even ''you'' cared before you saw me reference you. I was just trying to put the lack of interest into perspective.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

:Guys, please take it easy around here . . . .--[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 22:09, 29 July 2007
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::Alright sorry Pheon.I wasn't going to start a fight i was just wondering what that statement meant.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 22:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I figured no one was responding to this, so I haven't checked Lucy's Balcony in a while. When I saw it... Renegade, that was harsh. I remind you of a whining child? I was just wondering if any administrators had any opinions or input to my idea, because, as always, I am trying to help the LGPedia. You're just hurting its members. Thanks for your support Pheon, and Houdini. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 16:09, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

::::It was the truth. If you consider the truth harsh, then fine, it was harsh. But I am not to blame for the truth. You posted ''thrice'' and the only reason I replied was because I feared you wouldn't stop unless you got some feedback.
::::If nobody cares, nobody cares. That's not my opinion, that's not an attempt to insult you, that's just reality.
::::Seriously, think about it: If I was wrong, if "nobody cares" was a lie, why am I the only one responding? Houdini replied to me, because I mentioned him. Pheon replied because a fight seemed to start. The only one replying to ''you'' was me, and only because you kept spamming "hello? Hello? HELLO?".
::::If you hadn't kept posting until someone replied, I'd have never replied, so Houdini would've never replied, so Pheon would've never replied. If you hadn't spammed, you would've gotten no reply at all. That is fucking ''reality'', not an attempt to insult you. ''That alone'' should prove that I'm right.
::::I have given you my opinion. You are technically right, but it doesn't matter. And I'd bet the fact that it doesn't matter is the reason you weren't getting any replies.
::::So excuse me for not getting all touchy feely when the sole reason for my post was to stop you from posting "hello? someone there?" until the end of eternity.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 16:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

This = Stupid. Everyone = breathe. Conversation = over. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:47, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

==LGPedia: pages==
Now that the LGPedia is thriving, perhaps we should have some more LGPedia: namespace policy pages, plus things like LG:CHU (LGPedia:Changing username) and LG:SHORT (LGPedia:Shortcuts). I'm just trying to get some wiki-like content from Wikipedia, so let me know what you think. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 11:38, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:Hello? [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 15:32, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
::I say go ahead. But talk to an admin first.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm going to say something to [[User:Zoey|Zoey]] right now. [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 09:22, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

==I Finished the Missions Page==
I did it today, man that was work. Anywase tell me what you think, and also thanks silverbullet for all your help. If you see something that need changes then go ahead and change it. If you don't see a mission that i missed than put it in there.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 16:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

==Potential naming problem==
I've just noticed that KM-images are named using the same scheme as the LG15 ones; sure, the probability it comes to actual naming conflicts is low, but shouldn't we add an infix for organizational purposes? Otherwise, we'll have stuff like
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
*00XA-blablabla
in a few months, and no one will be able to tell which blablabla belongs to KM and which to LG15. I'm thinking of force-suggesting 9999-'''KM'''-Description-Modification.xxx here. Alternatively, '''KM'''9999-Description-Modification.xxx would separate them entirely in file listings. Opinions?
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 06:16, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

::ill try to stick to it, you should talk to psmith he uploads a lot of pictures--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 20:18, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Psmith is doing LG15, but Truncatedslinky seems to be the KM equivalent. I'll message him. Good idea, thank you. :)
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:48, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

::thats true, he/she i dont know is doing a lot of pictures and this would help out a lot for orginization
::good idea--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 21:03, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Cool, that's fine, I just didn't know you guys wanted to do that. I can rename the pictures and upload them again if absolutely necessary. I don't always upload a ton of pictures, but there were basically none on the KateModern site and it definitely needed some. Oh, and by the way, I'm a girl. --[[User:Truncatedslinky|truncatedslinky]] 22:42, 30 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Damnit! 50/50 chance...I chose "him" because of the Daniel/Jonas hook up support userbox (guessed you were a gay male). Sorry for the misinterpretation.
::::Anyway, I don't think re-uploading will be necessary, as long as we start doing that from now on.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:40, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::Amended image naming convention for KM sounds good. Let me know what you decide and I can change the [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] to reflect it. I prefer having KM at the very beginning (e.g. '''KM0006-KateHoldingASandwich.jpg''' to replace "0006-YummyPiggies.jpg"). We probably also need 2 new image categories ("LG show images" and "KM show images") but that would require a lot of tedious categorizing (maybe a job for [[LGBot]]?) Your opinions on this would be appreciated. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::P.S. I haven't got involved in KM images yet as I haven't watched any of the shows. Are they any good? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:42, 31 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Eh . . . it's got potential, IMO. But frankly, I've been more concentrated for the LG Season Finale, so don't take my criticism too strongly. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:47, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I'm with you on that, Pheon. I'll hold out on it for a while longer because I think the Creators deserve that much. Anyway, if you guys need something done with the LGBot, just let me know. I am still here reading things; I just don't have the time to get into very much editing.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 16:26, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

Personally I like, and have been using 9999-KM-Description.jpg. I think we should definately make a decision soon though, before too many images get added. Please, everyone, post! :P --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:42, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
:If the KM is at the beginning it is easier to sort through a whole bunch of files ordered alphabetically (i.e. the LG and KM files separate out as Renegade mentioned). This probably only affects me because I have so many images on my laptop from which I upload on to LGPedia. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
:P.S. Is there an easy way to tag images with the show name and episode number without embedding in the name or is the only way to tediously categorize every image with "Images of Episode 9999" and "Images of Show XX"? Could LGBot categorize by looking at the file name? I'm thinking it would be nice to have a page that works like [[:Category:Videos_by_length]] called something like "Category:Images_by_episode". Anyone know how to do this? If not, don't worry... not important. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:37, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

::That's fair, I see your point. Is there a way to update image names online.. or would someone have to reupload all of them using the new name. Er, would anyone want to volunteer for that? XD haha. And yes, I agree, that would be an AWESEOME page to have. I think we'll have to ask Jonpro if the bot would make this possible though.... Jon? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

:::The last time we started an image naming convention we just decided to leave current images as they were and start being strict from then on. However, I might go back and redo some image names if I have time (yes it will require reuploading and deleting the old one). Do you want to update [[MediaWiki:Uploadtext]] or shall I? [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:10, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Oh you can go ahead and do it, if you dont mind. You're good at explaining these sorts of things. So any KM images will start with KM.. but leave the LG ones as they are, right? Sounds good.. I'll let you update the mediawiki page though (and I'll remove this from active discussions, since this seems to be resolved, yay).

==Portals==
I know this is going to sound really bad coming from be but, should the [[missions]] page be on Portal:Lonelygirl15 and Portal:KateModern because the page is a big part for both series. If it need some touching up before it is put on there thats ok, but what do you guys think.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 23:26, 30 July 2007 (CDT)
: I do think its got potential, but in its preliminary stages I still think it needs some "fine-tuning." Let's give the page some more time to develop and then we can worry about where it should belong --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:33, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

: Since it's cross-series, it might be positioned better in the "LG15 Universe Central" box on the main page. But before it goes ''that'' public, it needs some visual touch ups. ;)
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:44, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

it definately needs touching up thats for sure--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 14:34, 31 July 2007 (CDT)

== Maddison Atkins ==

Should the character page change to Maddison and the ARG page move to Maddison Atkins.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 15:23, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
:I see no reasoning for that, but it's a good idea as always, Houdini. Thanks for the idea, but I think that the equivalent of Maddison is indeed Maddison Atkins, and that the ARG page should stay at Maddison Avenue. Thanks, though! [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''â¢Silverâ¢'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 16:12, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

== Relationships ==

Also should we move relationships to Lonelygirl15 relationships, and add Katemodern relationships, because we already know a few relationships for katemodern such as kate and tariq...charlie and gavin...and kate and scott or is it steve. Anywase if not that then i think we should make relationships as a link for the main page, just like what were doing with missions.--[[User:Houdini|Houdini]] 17:53, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

==Location pages for KM==
About Location pages for KM... we may want to wait a bit before we decide how to do this because at this rate they'll be filming all over London. So we could end up with:
*By City - "Images of London."
*By Postcode - "Images of EC1", "Images of W1" etc. (London postcodes that UK people will easily understand and can be explained to others - EC1 = East Central 1, W1 = West 1 etc.) Advantage = exact with no discussion required.
*By London Area Name - "Images of Spitalfields", "Images of Soho" etc. (these are the names of small areas of London). Advantage = friendly names rather than impersonal postcodes but there are grey areas as it were on deciding where one area starts and another ends.
*By Street Name - "Images of Brushfield Street", "Images of Carnaby Street" etc. This could become a problem given the number of streets that will be filmed upon.
*All of the above so you can browse images however you like. Disadvantage = lot of work for every image.
[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 18:25, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

:Shoot. Okay, well I was just going to do the ones you took of Carnaby Street, simply because it was a notable location where a major fan interaction took place. I figured for the episodes where they were just out and about in London, we could do a "General London area" or whatnot. I think with the big thing that just happened at Carnaby St, it's worth a location page, IMO. Er, do you disagree? Blah... --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:33, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
::Given a lot of the pics are actually Broadwick St. rather than Carnaby St., my first instinct is "Images of Soho". Especially as more videos may be set in and around these streets given how the Bebo offices are located there. Tariq/Gavin will probably be filmed a lot around Spitalfields/EC1 given that's where their office is supposed to be. But then I understand that maybe someone just wants to search on "Carnaby Street" because of how prominent the street name is in all the videos and interaction. So maybe it should just be "Images of the Carnaby Street area" which is more accurate but longwinded. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:27, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

:::Well, as for the categories themselves, I see no reason not to make specific categories and then group them all into <nowiki>[[Category:Images of London]]</nowiki> or something similar. As far as location pages, I also don't see why we can't have specific pages for notable locations.. and maybe have a "General London area" page... similar to how we have a specific page for [[Topanga Canyon]] but still have one for [[General LA area]]. I think this works nicely... not sure though? What do you think? :/ --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:54, 19 August 2007 (CDT)
::::Ah... actually I meant to say "location categories" in the first place and not "location pages" (by which you mean the articles I presume). Woops.
::::It would be nice to have both a London category and subcategories for different parts of London. My rather pedantic point about "Carnaby Street" is that maybe "Carnaby Street area" is more accurate given most of the action took place on Broadwick Street. And yes we definitely need a location ''page'' for this. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:48, 20 August 2007 (CDT)
:::::Ahh, okay. I wonder if Jon could do this with the bot so I wouldn't have to.. if not, I don't mind going in and adding "area" to the end of the location. Sounds good. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:58, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

== KM Forum Links ==
KM episode page forum links are pointing to http://www.lg15.com/lonelygirl15/ instead of http://www.lg15.com/katemodern. I think the template has a switch for lg/km but I'm not sure how to use it. [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] created it so if you see this please update one of the KM video pages as an example and we can do the rest. Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 11:04, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

:Nice catch, Psmith. It's not the KM video pages that need to be updated, but [[Template:Blog]]. I tried to fix it but failed :(. I'll work on it later if no one has figured it out by then.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:55, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

::Oops :X
::My bad, consider it fixed.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

== Re-Organization Day ==

Okay, this conversation has been going on for a while, and now I'm starting to agree with it. We need to find a way to separate KateModern and LG15. The answer: change everything from [[Characters]] to KM:Characters and LG:Characters. Sounds easy, right? Wrong-o. There has to be an easier way to do it. There needs to be some idea that we can do and devote a day to changing links and reorganizing the entire LGPedia. I know it sounds like a lot of work, but we gotta do something... fast. The only thing I can suggest thats better is for the tech people at LG15.com to set up another wiki. That'd be the easiest thing to do (and probably most organized) {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 21, '07 - 9:25 PM}}
:I'm sorry, I don't really see what you are talking about. There ARE seperate pages for [[KM Characters|KateModern characters]] and [[Characters|Lonelygirl15 characters]]. Why do we need to reorganize the wiki? What's wrong with the way it is now? And yea, we're definitely not getting a new Wiki. I just... don't understand your argument at all! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 01:01, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

::I have no idea ''why'' he wants to do this, but the syntax he uses would mean entirely separate ''namespaces'' for LG and KM. (Which would be a re-linking nightmare, and totally useless.)
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:03, 22 September 2007 (CDT)
:::Thats why we SHOULDN'T do that. But there are a lot of other page crossovers where it contains information from both series, and sometimes gets tangled up. {{User:-R-/SignatureD|Sept. 22 - 2:03 PM}}
::::What pages are you talking about, specifically? --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 14:05, 22 September 2007 (CDT)

== Need help with title! ==

There's a new KateModern video named "Hymn of One" but I don't know how to make a page that has the same name as a page that already exists - anybody that can help? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 11:54, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
:I used Hymn of One (video) but if there is a better way, please to let me know? -- [[User:Theresa|Theresa]] 12:42, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
::Relax, Theresa, what you did is perfectly fine. :) --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 21:49, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

== Vandalism ==
I was shocked by the amount of vandalism that is talking place on the lgpedia lately. I just went to recent changes and half of them were banning of vandals/spammers. This is becoming a serious problem, as our hardworking members should not have to constantly ban all these IP addresses when their time could be better spent. I'm opening a discussion on the topic as to find a solution. The floor is open. Any ideas/comments? --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 17:45, 22 October 2007 (EST)

:I'm glad you started the discussion. I'm not really sure what the best solution is this time. Before, when the spamming took the form of external links, we were able to filter those by requiring verification when an external link was added. The only solution I can think of for this problem is to require something similar for every edit that is made. I'm not sure if it'd be possible to restrict that to anonymous users or not, but if so that's a possibility. The obvious downside is that it could become a huge hassle for people trying to edit normally. But maybe there's a creative solution that hasn't occurred to me. Ideas?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:30, 22 October 2007 (CDT)

::The current external link verification is already annoying. A general captcha for every edit would be death.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)

: Isn't there a way where only people with a username can edit? I know it might sounds dumb, but I think it could relieve a few headaches. Who is xwestsidex or whatever? I dunno who he is. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 03:22, 23 October 2007 (PST)

::Yes there is - to set that up, we'd either have to protect each page manually (or, ''they''), or we need the FTP access I requested ''months'' ago. But both options would put off casual, unregistered users. You'd be punishing a large majority of users for the deeds of a small, non-community minority of spammers.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 05:35, 23 October 2007 (CDT)

:::Requiring a username was brought up a while back, and we decided that it's simply not worth it. As Renegade said, it'd be cutting off a lot of people who would otherwise contribute. When I first started editing, I didn't have a username and I don't think I would have gotten involved if I had had to register right away. Besides, being a place that ''anyone'' can edit is somewhat of a cardinal rules of wikis in general. Oh, and xwestsidex is a vandal from a while ago who pops his pathetic head in every once in a while to cause what he thinks is mischief. Suffice it to say that anything from xwestsidex won't really make sense and can probably be reverted.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 11:36, 23 October 2007 (CDT)

:But it's so annoying having to go around stopping the spam. I just spent a good part of my morning chasing around some spammers. I feel like ''I'' spammed the recent changes page. Lol, if you go look there, there's a whole page of just my edits. It's quite embarassing. I know it would cut a whole bunch of ppl out of the loop, but I kinda wish the username verification system was in place. I'm so selfish. --[[User:Free2liv4evr|free2liv4evr]] 04:16, 25 October 2007 (PST)

I don't usually make comments on pages like this, but I thought I'd point a few things out. 
-In the last day, there have been 68 edits by anonymous users. 55 of those edits were made by IPs currently banned for being a vandal. 
-5 of those remaining 13 were reverted. 
 
As far as edits go that actually "improved" this wiki... 
-2 were people reverting poor edits (one was me!). 
-There was an edit that corrected who posted clues to Emma's code. 
-One changed a period to a question mark. 
-Three edits were right after each other, and probably could've just been one. 
-There was an edit to theories about Purple Monkey, which is a funny section. 

--[[User:Ricket|Ricket]] 16:38, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

Swallow

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| name = Swallow
| image = Swallow.jpg
| age =
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| actor = [[Cameos#Kate Christensen|Kate Christensen]]
| first = [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier]]
| last = [[11 AM - Nikki Bower at the Pier]]
| color = blue
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'''Swallow''' is an accomplice of [[Deep Throat (character)|Deep Throat's]], who meets [[Nikki Bower]] on a blue horse on a carousel at the pier with a message from Deep Throat. This message is later given to Daniel, who puts it on the forums for assistance solving. Once solved, it leads them to the airplane hanger, where they eventually find Bree.

 
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** [[Everything You Need To Play OpAphid]]
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[[Image:Lazyeye.jpg|Who's that girl?|100px|left]] '''[[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|The Hunt for Bree]]''' — before [[Jessica Lee Rose]] was on Jay Leno, before [[the Creators]], before the [[Alternate Reality Game|ARGs]], there was a girl in her bedroom named [[Bree]], and an army of fans [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree|searching for her true identity]]. This is the story of that hunt.

 
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{{Vid
|date = April 9th, 2007
|name = Hug It Out
|blogger = Jonas
|image = 0169-JonasAndAlexOnTheBeach.jpg
|description = Thankfully, Bree listened to reason and logic prevailed. I had a loooonnnng talk with Alex over the weekend. I think we actually got somewhere.
|url = {{lg15|225}}
|forumurl = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8566
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
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{{Vid
|date = April 6th, 2007
|name = Confrontation
|blogger = Bree
|image = Alex confrontation.JPG
|description = I decided to talk to Alex directly. I'm sick of sitting around.
|url = {{lg15|224}}
|forumurl = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8510
|faction = THE RESISTANCE
|status = PUBLIC VIDEO
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{{Vid
|date = April 5th, 2007
|name = Spring Break Sucks
|blogger = Bree
|image = 167 tend and befriend.jpg
|description = Yeah, it's definitely not my thing. After seeing Daniel's video, I decided to take a walk and collect my thoughts. I really think we need to confront Alex, but Daniel and Jonas decided to deal with their problems differently...
|url = {{lg15|223}}
|forumurl = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8477
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|name = Lying Bastards
|blogger = Daniel
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|description = We followed Alex down the coast and into Mexico. It looks like she has a vacation home here or something. I did some snooping and overheard some interesting (but really confusing) stuff.
|url = {{lg15|222}}
|forumurl = http://lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8454
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'''Recent videos'''
*[[Losing My Religion]]
*[[Missing Days]]
*[[Communication Terminated]]
*[[Psychological Torture]]
*[[Subjects Apprehended]]

'''[[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|List of all videos...]]'''

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Jonas

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{{Person
| name = Jonas
| image = 0201-Jonas3.jpg
| age = 19
| birthday = August 1987? (Leo)
| youtube = jonastko
| revver = jonastko
| myspace = Jonastko
| forum-posts = jonastko
| actor = [[Jackson Davis]]
| first = [[My Name Is Jonas]]
| last = [[Is This The End?]]
| color = DarkOrange
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'''Jonas''' a.k.a. '''jonastko''' is a [[Revver]]/[[YouTube]] user who started leaving video comments on [[Bree]]'s videos and eventually became friends with Bree and [[Daniel]]. Most of his initial videos take place in what he says is his father's study.

Jonas's first videos were uploaded from [[Jonas's house|his house]]. He lived there alone because his [[Jonas's parents|parents]] were reportedly [[Happy Thanksgiving|lost at sea]] when he was thirteen years old. He seems to have inherited their house, a cabin in the mountains, and a large sum of money.

==Background==
Although an amount of money is never given, Jonas owns a large house, a cabin, at least two vehicles, and appears to have paid all of Bree and Daniel's bills for several months. Jonas has also mentioned that he does not work and has no intention to. Prior to turning 18, he had a full-time nanny and attended a lot of psychotherapy. To support this lifestyle indefinitely, Jonas must have inherited at least several million dollars.

Jonas says that he has been too quick to trust people in the past. He has been taken advantage of for his money and mentions that once he stopped throwing giant parties, a lot of his friends stopped calling him.

Many fans have observed that Jonas is something of a "lonelyboy". While Bree turned to books and stuffed animals, Jonas has turned to pop-culture and sports. Jonas makes constant references to movies and TV shows, often very obscure ones, and also enjoys extreme sports, boxing and foosball.

==Adventures with TAAG==
Jonas offered Bree and Daniel help in the form of [[Trust Issues|shelter and financial support]]. [[Bree]] and [[Daniel]] were wary of going to live with a stranger that they met over the internet, but Jonas insisted. He gave them a [[The Anti-Cribs|virtual tour]] of his house and suggested that they test him so he could prove that his trustworthiness. Daniel took his suggestions and [[The Test|asked fans to vote]] on what they thought they should do. Fans chose to trust Jonas, but [[Your Decision|Daniel refused to go]], [[Skateboarding|leaving Bree alone with Jonas.]] He eventually came to live with them at [[Christmas Surprise|Christmas time]].

Jonas gained Bree and Daniel's trust and friendship after he came through for Daniel when [[Bree's Gone|Bree ran away]], and after he helped them escape when [[45 Seconds|Bree's father died]]. Jonas also participated in [[Valentine's Day Massacre|Daniel's rescue]] and got to meet [[Tachyon]] and [[Brother]]. However, this trust was temporarily shattered when Bree suspected him of [[How Dumb Am I?|being in the Order]] and [[Interrogation 101|held him hostage]]. Jonas managed to [[Proving Bree Wrong|prove his innocence]] in the eyes of Bree and Daniel by showing them a document written by his father proving [[Jonas's parents|his parents]] were against [[the Order]].

Jonas didn't forgive Bree for holding him hostage right away, but stuck with her and Daniel. He brought Bree and Daniel to his [[On The Road Again|Aunt Alex's house]], who was away on business at the time. Jonas tried breaking into his Aunt's office to see if there was more information about his parents and their involvement with the Order, but ended up [[Flesh Wound|cutting his hand in the process]]. After a trip to a local veterinarian to get fixed, Jonas found a [[My Hand Hurts|folder]] containing names of people who were also against the Order who had disappeared. Jonas's aunt came back in town, and Jonas and Daniel were invited by [[Alex]] to a [[Uncle Dan|fashion party]]. Daniel and Alex appeared to be very interested in each other, much to Jonas's dismay. Jonas's cousin [[Toby]] was also at this party, whom he hadn't seen since his [[Jonas's parents|parents]] funeral. Bree posted a [[Lucy!?!?!|video]] saying there was a photo at the party which she thought was Alex and [[Lucy]] and warned the guys to leave Alex's home and meet up with her.

After finding out about Alex's [[Lying Bastards|true allegiance]], Jonas went back with Bree and Daniel to find the [[New Girl|new ceremony girl]]. After finding [[Jules]],who they thought was the new girl, BDJ met up with [[Taylor]] and [[Sarah]] and embarked on a new journey to save her. Later, Bree gave herself up to save Jules, and Jonas and Daniel spent the rest of their time [[Oh, The Places You'll Go|following the Order]] and trying to save her. Finally locating where Bree had been hidden, Jonas, along with Daniel and Sarah, went to her and Jonas forcibly took Bree back.

A short while after trying to "unbrainwash" a very resistant Bree, Jonas became convinced that she had snapped out of it and the two started to become closer. Although Daniel was suspicious that Jonas was [[Taking Advantage of Her]], Jonas continued getting closer to Bree and [[HOLY SH%T!!!|slept with her]] the day before she [[The Morning After|ran back]] to the [[Hymn of One]].

Recruiting the help of [[Spencer]] Gilman, the son of [[Isaac Gilman]], Jonas once again set out to save Bree. Through many hardships, TAAG followed Bree's trail all the way to the ceremony, where [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 10 of 12 - 5 pm|Bree died.]] Directly after her death, Jonas was shattered, Taylor [[Lonelygirl15 Season Finale 11 of 12 - 6 pm|said:]]''"...I think, when Bree died, it's like... she took him with her. He's empty and emotionless... He isn't Jonas anymore."''

==Life After Bree==
After the death of Bree, Jonas fell into a deep depression which many thought he would not recover from.

Jonas, like many other characters, [[I'm Done|announced]] he would no longer be posting videos. Soon after this, however, the mysterious [[LaRezisto]] posted a [[Remember Them?|video]] showing his parents and telling Jonas that they are alive. Although Jonas initially reacted in anger at seeing his parents again, he decided to [[A Family Affair|reunite]] with them. At this reunion, Jonas met his adopted sister, [[Emma]], for the first time and also found out that his parents are active members of the Hymn of One. Taylor found out that Emma was the next [[trait positive]] girl, and after The Order [[Home Invasion|invaded]] their home and demanded Emma, Jonas took her on the [[Grand Canyon|run.]] Later, he lost Emma when he decided to trust LaRezisto and [[Watch Your Back|handed Emma over]] to [[Claire]], the woman behind the LaRezisto posts. When several [[She's Telling The Truth|alarming videos]] were posted by Emma and Claire, Jonas started to become [[Pi|obsessed]] with finding a code in Emma's gestures.

After an upsetting [[Batting Practice|phone call]] with his father, Jonas told us he would no longer be helping anyone and only focusing on getting Emma back, but he was soon back to fighting the Order by helping Daniel and Sonia [[They'll Do Anything|kidnap]] the new [[Ceremony baby]]. After Mallory [[A Woman's Touch|secretly got information]] from [[Chris]], Daniel posted a video [[What's Going on?|following]] Chris to a meeting in which it was revealed that the [[Hymn Of One|HoO]] had created a partnership between themselves, [[Verdas Pharmaceuticals]], and the [[Wyman Foundation]].

==The Truth About His Family==
Jonas so far has five family members who have been in the series.
*His [[Remember Them?|parents]] were in a [[On The Road Again|movement against the Order]]. They have [[Eternal Freaks|no memory]] of the time before their disappearance and are now members of the [[Hymn Of One]].
*His [[Alex|Aunt Alex]] was found to be [[Alex Is...|part of the Order]], though she later [[Proceed with Caution|realigned her loyalties]] and [[Mission Possible|helped fight the order.]]
*Jonas also has a cousin, [[Toby]], whose alignment has not been confirmed.
*Jonas has an adopted sister, [[Emma]], who is trait positive.

==Notes==
*Many have also speculated that Jonas is gay. This arose both from his friendship with Daniel, and his lack of interest in Bree. Although, in "[[Uncle Dan]]," Jonas is apparently interested in a girl named [[Carla]] who comes on to him very strongly. This is evidenced by his giddy reaction to the camera after she gives him a little kiss. He also [[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)|rejects the advances]] of another man at the party, [[Damien]]. After getting Bree back, he and Bree were [[Relationships#Bree and Jonas|getting very close]]. It was confirmed that Bree lost her virginity to Jonas.
*On YouTube and Revver, Jonas uses the name jonastko. The name is a reference to Jonas's boxing hobby. The letters T.K.O. are used in boxing as an abbreviation for "Technical Knock-Out."
*According to the video [[On The Road Again]], Jonas's last name could very well begin with a "W," due to the fact that his father used his initials to write, ''The Order in the Modern Empire''. As a result, Jonas was the first character in the series whose last name is, at least, partially known.

==Fan Activity==
Fans remained largely suspicious of Jonas's motives in offering such generous support to Bree and Daniel. Fans noted that Jonas initially only extended support to Bree, rather than to both Bree and Daniel. Moreover, because he simultaneously became a member and posted his first video and showed interest in Bree when she was on the run from [[the Order]], fans were suspicious that he may be connected with the Order. He is indeed connected to the Order through his family, which is divided into supporters and detractors of the Order. How much Jonas actually knows about the Order and its counter movements is unknown, but it seems to be very little.

Since the inclusion of Jonas as a regular, his popularity has slowly grown. In May 2007 a fan club was started in his honor. It is called the [[Jonas Fan Club | Secret Society of Jonas Fans]] because of the indication that Jonas is shy around accolades. Its members are required to type "Shhhh!!!" in their comments when in the IC section.

==Etymology of ''Jonas''==
There are two possible derivations of the name Jonas:
*Jonas is the Latin derivation of the Greek form (Ionas) of the Hebrew name Jonah (dove). It is widely presumed that Jonas's name is a reference to the [[Bible|Biblical]] Jonah, who was swallowed by a fish, because this would tie in to the story of his lost parents. For further discussion, also see the LGPedia article, [[Water theme]]. Jonas is most widely used as a male name in German and Scandinavian cultures.
*Alternatively, Jonas is the Lithuanian variant of the English name ''John''. John is derived from the Hebrew Johanas, which means "God is great," and which is the name of Biblical characters John the Baptist, John the Apostle, and John the Evangelist.

==Theories==
Follow this [[Theories About Characters#Jonas|link]] for theories about Jonas.

{{CharIndex}}

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The Unthinkable Happened

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{{Blog
|name = The Unthinkable Happened
|number = 0108
|image = Breesdad.JPG
|caption = Bree's Dad has been caught up in [[cap]] fever
|blogger = Daniel
|date = December 31st, 2006
|url = {{lg15|144}}
|forumid = 4589
|length = 2:53
|description = Daniel here (yeah, yeah on Bree's account... and I put a freeze frame of her so you'd watch... it's important). We caught up to Bree... well... just watch.
| location = [[Minor locations#The Coral Tree Cafe|The Coral Tree Cafe]], [[Minor locations#The Parking Garage|The parking garage]]
|tags = {{tags|LG15|lonelygirl15|daniel|danielbeast|dad|bree|deacon|lucy|order|jonas|jonastko}}


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Miles Beckett and Mesh Flinders
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Mesh Flinders
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song = To Thee We Sing (Rachmaninov) by [http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/kyivchamber-praiselord/ Kyiv Chamber Choir]
| cast =
{{VidChar|Bree's parents#Father{{!}}Bree's dad|Greg Goodfried}}
{{VidChar|Bree}}
{{VidChar|Jonas}}
{{VidChar|Daniel}}
{{VidChar|The Deacons{{!}}A Deacon|Kenneth Goodfried}}
{{VidChar|Lucy|Amanda Goodfried}}


| Previous = Roadtrip
| Next = Bree's Dad Is Dead
}}
{{EpHeader|108}} [[Jonas]] and [[Daniel]] catch up with [[Bree]].

==Transcript==
(''Jonas and Daniel are sitting in a car. The camera is pointed at Jonas, who is in the driver's seat.'')

'''Daniel:''' Woah...

'''Jonas:''' You know what, man, I gotta say that in...you know, your guys's videos, you make this [[four-letter words|shit]] seem... fun?

(''Daniel and Jonas laugh. The camera turns to Daniel's face.'')

'''Daniel:''' Oh yeah.

(''Jonas leans in, towards the camera, and makes a strange noise. The camera turns towards Daniel.'')

'''Daniel:''' What're you doing?

'''Jonas:''' I don't know man, I'm just so frickin' bored. You know, we should've got coffee or donuts, on a stakeout you're supposed to have donuts, right? Isn't that--?

(''Daniel laughs, and the camera turns back to Jonas.'')

'''Jonas:''' At least we'd have something to eat.

'''Daniel:''' We need some donuts, man.

'''Jonas:''' Do you think that we're gonna make it back by New Year's?

'''Daniel:''' You got a--you got a party to go to?

'''Jonas:''' No, I don't have a party, but I, you know, I like the song.

(''Jonas hums "Auld Lang Syne", and Daniel laughs.'')

'''Jonas:''' I bet she knows. Last year, I, uhh, put on a Santa hat--

'''Daniel:''' Yeah?

'''Jonas:''' --and uhh, I think my left sock, and I skated around my buddy's--

(''Daniel laughs.'')

'''Daniel:''' (''Still laughing'') Shut up, dude. Seriously.

'''Jonas:''' The police showed up. I swear man. Look, I am not lying. I would not lie about--

'''Daniel:''' Oh [[four-letter words|shit]]!

(''The camera shows Bree and her father leaving a building. They sit at a table outside. The camera shows the side of Jonas's head.'')

'''Jonas:''' Let's just go get her. She's right there. Let's go get--

'''Daniel:''' Wait! Dude, they're talking. Hang on.

(''The camera turns back to Bree and her father.'')

'''Jonas:''' Why? Who's she--

'''Daniel:''' That's her dad, man. He looks freaked out. Can't just...barge in there.

(''The camera is now looking out the windshield, as Jonas drives after them.'')

'''Daniel:''' Okay, so, Bree and her dad-- They just jumped in the car, they took off. I just want to find out where they're going.

(The camera shows the side of Jonas's head.'')

'''Jonas:''' Do you even know where we are right now?

'''Daniel:''' No. No I--

'''Jonas:''' I have no idea where we are. You sure that that's her dad? I mean--

'''Daniel:''' That's her dad!

'''Jonas:''' (''muttering'') God dammit.

(''The camera shows the car Bree and her father are in again. Cut to the car going around a parking garage. The car drives around. The camera shows Jonas.'')

'''Daniel:''' Where are they going?

(''The camera shows the car driving a little more. Cut to the car parked near the roof.'')

'''Daniel:''' Okay, There's their car.

'''Jonas:''' Cool. Good.

'''Daniel:''' Now we just gotta wait.

'''Jonas:''' Wait?

'''Daniel:''' Yeah.

(''The camera shows Daniel.'')

'''Daniel:''' Yeah, so, we're just sitting around now.

(''The camera sees Bree and her father walking towards their car. A car pulls between them and their car. The camera begins shaking as Daniel and Jonas run towards them. Two people get out of the car, and move towards Bree's father.'')

'''Daniel:''' Bree!

(''To Thee We Sing (Rachmaninov) by [http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/kyivchamber-praiselord/ Kyiv Chamber Choir] plays. Bree runs into Daniel's arms, they turn around, and run back to Jonas's car. A gunshot is heard. Bree screams. The camera turns towards Daniel, who is dragging Bree. All three get into the car.'')

'''Daniel:''' Go, go, go, go!

(''The car drives out of the parking garage, and the screen turns white.'')

==Notes==
* What actually happened in this episode ignited much speculation. See [[What unthinkable happened?]] for an attempt at a logical reconstruction from what we know.
* This is the first video to make use of [[the thumbnail trick]].
* On [[Revver]], the description is only the last sentence of the YouTube description. ("We caught up to Bree... well... just watch.")
* Just as Daniel and Jonas get out of the car, there is a faint thumping sound, which could be heard as a [[helicopter]], possibly belonging to [[the Order]]. The sound then fades to make way for the backing music.
* The garage scene was shot at the Westfield Fashion Square in Sherman Oaks, California. The Sunkist building can been seen across the street.
* During the first part of the video, Bree and her dad are sitting outside the [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9|Coral Tree Cafe in Encino]], as discovered by [[Nikki Bower]].
* Bree's dad was killed in this video. Gemma and Isaac Gilman also died on that day.

Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007

2007-10-26T01:55:51Z

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== New Main Page ==
I'm taking the new Main Page live over the next couple minutes. Hooray!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:05, 4 January 2007 (CST)
:And it's up! Yay!--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:15, 4 January 2007 (CST)
::Nice! I fixed a couple minor errors I noticed. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 18:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

:::The new main page looks great! I'm very happy all of our hard work paid off. One thing I noticed... the latest developments column is a bit longer, which is invariably going to happen when we have longer video discriptions. However, it's way longer. Maybe we should take off one of the latest videos and add it to the list at the bottom ("Recent Videos"). For instance, we could take off [[Bree's Gone]] and add it to the list, to even it up a bit. I'd do it, but I wanted to make sure nobody objected. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 21:29, 4 January 2007 (CST)

::::Hmm... strange. They line up just right in IE, but in Firefox, the latest developments column is a little bit longer (although only a tiny bit in my browser). That's the general idea behind the Main Page, to move videos into that Recent Video list once the page starts getting too long. By all means, Andy, go ahead and move Bree's Gone down.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:49, 4 January 2007 (CST)

== Further agreement on current style ==

Okay, so we like five video links at the bottom. How many recent vids with pics at the top? I liked four, but it was recently changed to three. Can we get a consensus? Also, what do people think about my editing down of the description to make a better fit? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:22, 8 January 2007 (CST)

:I like the shorter descriptions, if for no other reason than it allows us to keep an extra video on display. I don't think it's necessary for the descriptions to be the official video description. I only used the same variable name so that it could be quickly and easily copied from the video pages. Also, is that OpVid template tested and ready? If so we should add a usage note where it says how to add a new video.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:23, 8 January 2007 (CST)
::I think it (OpVid) looks good, but I haven't heard any feedback yet. Should we post links to the new "Gemma?" videos, or treat them like old videos reposted?

::Actually, I feel like the creators are giving us a hard time. Every time we get things figured out, they throw us a curve ball like this. For instance, is [[The Unthinkable Happened]] a Bree or Daniel video? --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:29, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::: it would be Daniel and Jonas --[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:39, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::Actually, I think the craziness on Gemma's account is the perfect opportunity to use the event template. As for [[The Unthinkable Happened]], it's just a call we should make. My thoughts -- although it was posted to the lonelygirl15 account, it was Daniel who wrote the note and did the editing. Hence a Daniel video, and this should be explained in the notes to [[The Unthinkable Happened]]. I don't see any reason to label it a Jonas video as well. Although Jonas was in the video, he appears to have neither posted nor edited it. Besides, having a video from two people doesn't work with out Blog3 template. As for the op template, I thought I had commented (although I see now that i didn't) but I like it a lot and think we should use it.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:51, 8 January 2007 (CST)

::::: I agree--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 15:58, 8 January 2007 (CST)

== Video column ==

I see Brucker made the change I was just thinking about. I'm aware that the Main Page displays differently in different browsers, but for me in IE or Firefox, having only three videos is always ''way'' too few. Before Brucker added the fourth video, there were about three inches of empty space. Is that fourth video making the video column too long in some browsers?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:59, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:Right now I see 4 latest developments (back to PMonkey returns) and 5 recent vids (all the way back to Roadtrip) and it fits perfectly in my crappy IE7. =)
 [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:03, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::You know the issue is probably less a matter of which browser than it is a matter of what monitor settings you use. The other night, I checked in here on a different computer and hardly recognized my personal page because the width was different. Maybe we need a "Best viewed at 1024x768" disclaimer?--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:41, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::Here's the problem with four videos... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/TheNunOwnedGoat/Screenshots/Mine/LGpedia_Error.jpg With three videos, the latest developments column is short, yes, but it matches up and there is just empty space. However, when the latest developments column is too long, it creats this ugly gray space (seems the bottom border is becoming too wide) to make up for it. If we want to keep four videos, then we need to get rid of that ugly gray space and make it match the color of the featured articles box. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 16:44, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::Wait, so right now the video page is doing this for you, Andy? Because for me there's over an inch of empty space at the bottom of the video column. That gray box at the bottom of your right column is interesting... I'll experiment on the old redesign page to see if I can fix that. I guess that'd be the best solution for everyone, right?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 17:08, 15 January 2007 (CST)

:::::Oh, I see the same thing as Andy. I just hadn't noticed it until he pointed it out. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:14, 15 January 2007 (CST)

::::::I think I fixed the problem with the gray space that Andy and OIC noticed. Please let me know if the problem is taken care of now. Just add a bunch of dummy text to the right column and hit "show preview" if you need to.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:06, 16 January 2007 (CST)

:::::::Yeah, I think it's fixed now. Basically, no matter how long I make the right-hand column, the left one matches it and there's no grayspace. Good work! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 13:25, 17 January 2007 (CST)

==Spam attack?==
This talk page has been hit a half dozen times by a spam bot. The bot will continue to edit this page. The only way to really stop it, is to protect the page. I hate to protect the Talk:Main Page, but I don't really know what else to do. The way the spam bot works is it always attacks the same page from a different IP address. If we protect this page, maybe we can create sort of an FAQ for where noobs can ask questions? And, of course, registered accounts can still ask questions here? Does that seem okay, or does anyone object to protecting this page?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 09:56, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:No Objection here--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 10:22, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::I was actually thinking we'd need to protect this when I reverted it. Of course I really hate to see the main page talk protected as thats where the shy/new unregistereds are most likely to post. I think we don't have a choice. Can we try protecting the page for a week and then reverting it back to unprotected? Will that even make a difference or will the spam bot still be hitting after a week? Either way.. I also affirm the move to registered users only for this page. --[[User:LordGreystoke422|LordGreystoke422]] 10:36, 27 January 2007 (CST)

:::A link on the main page directing new users to a page where they can ask questions/post would probably be helpful. The spam bot might eventually pick up on it, but possibly not. --Zak (not registered) 11:08, 27 January 2007 (CST)

::::::::Yeah, I'd noticed this page was having problems, but two attacks in a row like that? I think that's reason enough to protect it... even if the newbies have to make an account to post on it. Could we maybe just put a header on top of this page inviting people (again) to create an account so they can post here? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 11:49, 27 January 2007 (CST)

== Vid pics ==

Is there a definite rule about the pictures that represent the videos on the main page, being the same as on their own page? Just wondering, 'cause someone posted a different one for the latest one... ~ [[User:Jbshryne|Jbshryne]] 22:34, 30 January 2007 (CST)

:No, there's no rule. And there's no rule that the Description has to (or even should be) the same as when they post the video. Generally, it's just been easier to use that boilerplate description and image.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 22:38, 30 January 2007 (CST)

::I think it's nice to have some variety, and also, certain pictures won't work as well in the smaller format. I think whoever decided on the different picture than I put on the transcript page made a good choice. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 11:19, 31 January 2007 (CST)

== Gemma ==

Does anyone else think that maybe it's time to take Gemma off the list of bloggers on the main page? --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:08, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:We discussed this somewhere ([[Talk: Gemma|found it]]), and I don't recall reaching a consensus. My argument was that while Gemma is not ''currently'' a main character, she has been a main character in the series overall. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:26, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:I suggest that we wait and see what happens in the next couple episodes. We're probably looking at the resolution of some of these loose threads. If she's confirmed as dead then I'd agree it's time to remove her. I'm not sure how to redesign the characters box though.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:38, 8 February 2007 (CST)
::That's easy enough, isn't it? Just remove her. Actually, I'd been considering altering the picture to have the text "R.I.P.?" in front of it.--[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:40, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::I dunno. If we remove her the other pictures will be awfully big for my tastes. Either that or we'll have a big chunk of white space. I tried it at the old redesign page: [[Main Page/redesign]]. But I think we're potentially looking at Tachyon or Brother or somebody becoming a main character... And that seems better, to add one of them ''if'', of course, the storyline merits. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:47, 8 February 2007 (CST)

:::Fiddled around with it. I'm not worried about bigger pictures ''or'' white space, or for that matter a solution somewhere in between. I think it all looks good. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 15:53, 8 February 2007 (CST)

::::Personally, I think the top one (with the bigger pictures) looks great, if we decide to take Gemma off. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 14:48, 9 February 2007 (CST)

:::::How does it look?--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 20:51, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::Sorry, Iris, but I don't think we agreed to take the picture off yet. I'm sorta thinking it might be necessary to enlarge OpAphid's presence on the Main Page. Perhaps incorporating OpAphid or Tachyon into the character boxes?--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:13, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:::::I disagree with that, just because I feel we should keep OpAphid in a seperate part of the LGpedia (i.e. The [[AphidPedia]]). My reasoning for this is the fact that keeping up with OpAphid is supossedly not required to keep up with Lonelygirl15. For instance, I never hopped on the bandwagon and haven't tried to get caught up because it wasn't one of those things were you could just "hop in." Long story short, I doubt I'll be following OpAphid anytime soon, like many other users I'm sure, so from my viewpoint, it's best to keep the LGPedia focused on... well, LG. --[[User:TheNunOwnedGoat|Andy]] 23:59, 13 February 2007 (CST)

::::::sorry i got ahead of myself.Not a bad idea Jay..--[[User:Iris2009|Iris2009]] 14:50, 14 February 2007 (CST)

==OpAphid==
I think OpAphid needs more prominence given recent developments, but balk at the idea of incorporating the characters from that series into the lg15 info fully unless it becomes fully integrated. I know that we've all been surprised by how much the two story lines have recently overlapped, but my hope is that the Creators will make good on their promise to make OpAphid optional viewing. I watch them, but I honestly don't understand them. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 16:10, 14 February 2007 (CST)

I dont understand them also. --[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 16:11, 14 February 2007 (CST)

:Furthermore, in response to what Jay said above, we face the problem of not having definitive pictures of either one of Op or Tachyon, and no picture at all of Brother. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 17:35, 14 February 2007 (CST)

i got a idea, maybe use i picture from a video that says there name on it?
Like when tachyon plane landed, it said tachyon, see what im saying?--[[User:Iris2009|TJ Marsh]] 17:42, 14 February 2007 (CST)

== Newby links on main page ==

What do you think about putting links to The Story So Far and [[Lonelygirl15Recaps]] on the main page? Or the recaps as a featured article (though it would need some sprucing up first)? Coming to the main page of the lgpedia as a newby probably still feels overwhelming despite all the great improvements here as of late, unless i'm missing something myself. The LG15 recap vids now go thru Oct 30, which is the 1st 1/2 half of the videos. I only make this as a suggestion. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 12:36, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Daniel picture ==

Hi all, 
I know it's hard to get a screencap of Daniel. He's either behind the camera, or holding it two inches from his face. However, that hasn't deterred me from trying to find a better picture for his thumbnail on the main page. I looked through some videos and found good "photo ops" in [[Purple Monkey Returns]] and [[For The Ladies]]. The screencaps I got are below. They would still need to be cropped and tried out in [[Main page/redesign]]. However, I first wanted to get a sense of what pictures people liked best, and whether anyone thinks that they are more flattering than the current one. The thumbnails for my suggestions are below. If you know of any good pictures I didn't come up with, add them to the gallery for others to consider. Thanks! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:44, 18 February 2007 (CST)
<gallery>
Image:DanielChar.jpg|Current image
Image:DanielMainSuggest1.JPG|Option 1
Image:DanielMainSuggest2.JPG|Option 2
Image:DanielMainSuggest3.JPG|Option 3
Image:DanielMainSuggest4.JPG|Option 4
</gallery>

===Testing===
This is for checking the Daniel pics against the Bloggers table. I'm going to go ahead and say my vote's on Option 3 for the time being. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:57, 18 February 2007 (CST)
{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:GemmaChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Gemma|Gemma]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
|-
|}

I've cropped two of the images for trying out in the table. There's '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest1_cropped.JPG|Option 1 cropped]]''' and '''[[:Image:DanielMainSuggest3_cropped.JPG|Option 3 cropped]]'''. I like both but I still think 3 is better. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:34, 20 February 2007 (CST)

I like the third, myself, and would love to see a different shot of danny on the front page. My only thought is to crop it to the same shape. See how it appears to have white bars on the other three pictures? Daniel sticks out like a sore thumb if you don't. --[[User:Chartreuse|Chartreuse]] 00:45, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:Thanks for your input, Cartreuse =) I'll fix the cropping. As for the rest of you... does nobody care about Danny? Speak now or forever hold your peace... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:20, 25 February 2007 (CST)

::It's a good Daniel picture, I always wanted one of him smiling bigger, so that's much better. --[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 12:13, 26 February 2007 (CST)

:: I like option 3 as well --[[User: Michiev|Michiev]]

:: Any option we chose, the pic needs to be changed soon. The one we have up there now is very flattering or representative of Daniel. Option 3 seems to be the favorite and I like it too. But, with the possibility of Gemma coming off the "official" list soon (pending consensus), maybe we should wait on messing with the blogger pics. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:35, 6 March 2007 (CST)

==Image page==

I don't exactly know where else to ask this question, but before i found a page full of images used on the LG pedia. i cant seem to find that page again, If anyone could help me i would be really happy :D

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 12:08, 2 March 2007 (CST)

:[[:Category:Images]] is an index of all the different images we have available. For the most part they are sorted by character. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 12:18, 2 March 2007 (CST)