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[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

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== Unused images ==

In cleaning up location pages I've orphaned a rather large number of images. The location pages had an unfortunate tendency to just include random screen-shots from videos that had absolutely nothing to do with the location. I've been cutting them out. Do we want to have an unused image assessment of some sort? Use the good ones, and just delete the lousy ones? We really don't need to keep hundreds of unused images laying around. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:06, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well I think that you should delete the unused images, that don't look like they can be useful, to add to later articles or updates. Several times I went to an image category to find an image for an article. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:40, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

== "Have your say" page ==

I just had a read of the problems mentioned above (deletions etc.) and thought of an idea that might be of help to both this and other problems that arise from "normal users" scanning the last 50 recent changes to see what has been happening (thereby missing out when there have been lots more changes since they last logged in). I would propose having a LGPedia:Have your say page listed on the right hand column, perhaps under the "Recent changes". This page would then have links to all current discussions and votes that users may be unaware are going on at all, e.g. pic/caption votes, redesign comments, delete-tagged pages. This may help getting more people involved in decisions than at present (because they wouldn't necessarily be logging in as frequently as an admin, nor would they be visiting the various log pages that we know about). In addition, the delete period between tagging and deleting should be increased to 2 weeks (except where an admin is just rectifying a mistake).

This may not completely avoid the situation with deleted templates mentioned above, but if in addition we admins think twice in future before nominating something unused for deletion than that's probably all else we can do.

Having said that, as both [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] and [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] have respectively pointed out, it is neither a big deal leaving pages that are unused alone until they become useful again, nor accepting that some pages which are deleted through lack of feedback can be restored afterwards. Let us not get heated about this either way. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:27, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

:I like that idea very much, Psmith. Renegade proposed something similar on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]], but I think this would work better. I think people see that column a lot and "Have your say" if a very self-explanatory phrase that should hopefully draw people in to have their say about things. We would have to make sure to keep this page updated or it wouldn't work, but if we can do that, then I think it should work great. As far as extending the deletion period from 1 week to 2, it really doesn't make a difference to me. If people think this would help solve problems with deletions, then I'm all for it. I'd love to hear others' opinions on both of these issues, so please feel free to pipe in with your support or objections.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::[[Special:Recentchanges|BEHOLD]] what Zoey and I crafted together!
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Wow! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:45, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

== Addition of KateModern to LGPedia ==

Hi everyone. [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] has requested via email that we make some changes to LGPedia to prepare for [[KateModern]]'s premiere later this month. The details are included in his email which I have included here:

{{quote|Miles|
As you know, KateModern is launching soon and I'd like to give you some information so you can revise the LGPedia accordingly. In our minds, the framework is as follows:

#LG15 is the Universe that includes lonelygirl15 and KateModern and future shows (The LGPedia should track the entire LG15 Universe)
#lonelygirl15 is the US show with the characters we all know and love
#KateModern is the UK show with a new cast and plot

We are redesigning the website to make the interface cleaner and also to display both shows. We're going to provide a link on the lonelygirl15 show page that goes to a lonelygirl15 "portal" in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage of LGPedia. Similarly, we'll provide a link on the KateModern show page that goes to a KateModern "portal in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage but would be all KateModern specific stuff. LGPedia would therefore need a new homepage that would provide links to these sub-page portals for each show, and a lot of the information that is already on the homepage since alot of this is more about the LG15 Universe.

Does that makes sense? I wanted to give you a heads up since KateModern launches in mid-July and we'd love if LGPedia was up to date by then. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!

Miles}}

My own thoughts on the issue are to not do anything too drastic until we reach a decision about what should be done and it all seems feasible. It looks like we'll need to create [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] (or names similar to these) as well as resurrect [[Main Page/redesign]]. I think a good goal would be to try to get this all done within about a week or so that it will be ready for the launch of KateModern. If anyone has any questions for Miles, feel free to post them here or on [[User talk:Jonpro|my talk page]] and I can send them on to him.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:54, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, wow, this is definately a massive project. Maybe it would be best to have a ''really'' basic homepage that says something like "Chose Your Destination" with links to both of the girls and that be it? Or something very similarly simple. Maybe we can just keep the LG frontpage the same and make a copycat for KM with the links and stuff she needs. I'm kind of confused about how to determine what would be used for both though. I mean, it's not going to take place in [[Bree's bedroom]] or anything, is it? Where do we draw the line for what is LG15 and what is LG15 Universe? Hm, also I guess we could make like.. top categories to help make things easier to classify? Like a Category:KateModern, Category:Lonelygirl15, and a Category:Breeniverse (that contains stuff for both worlds?). I don't know, like I said, I'm having a hard time comprehending just how much of an overlap there will be, so its kind of hard to figure where to draw the line, but those were my intial thoughts at the idea. Let me know what you think...! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:03, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::Zoey I totally agree - I think we should have a splash page, if you will, for the 'pedias. On the front page can be something simple, Kate -enter- and LG -enter- or however you want to present them. This page can be the "fancy" page, if we want, and it can look really good, and different from the 'pedia now if we're looking for something fresh. But the pedia works REALLY well set up as it is. I don't think changing it is a good idea. Not overall. As for the sharing sections, I think that we should just stick to having articles that are accessible to both pedias through common links. Don't get into three different pedias. Asking for trouble, that. Just stick to two pedias outlining two storylines, and the common lines between them will take care of themselves. [[User:MarlaSinger|MarlaSinger]] 17:42, 6 July 2007 (EST)

::I was wondering the same thing about the amount of overlap. If there really isn't going to be any interaction between the series, it makes sense to basically have two sections to the site, kind of like you're saying. I went ahead and sent Miles an email asking him how much overlap there will be, so I'll be sure to let you guys know what he says when I get a response.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:46, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Okay, I got an email back from Miles and here it is (I think it's easier to just copy/paste than try to explain it in my own words):

:::{{quote|Miles|The characters "can" communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks!}}

:::So I don't think we should try to "split up" LGPedia into two sections or anything, but I think we should definitely do something with the categories like Zoey suggested. Maybe we can go through and add "Category:Lonelygirl15" to at least some (maybe all?) of the pages here, and then start adding "Category:KateModern" to the pages that we create for the KM characters, locations, videos, etc. Other than that, it'd probably be a good idea to focus our energy on the "portal" pages and the Main Page. I think we have a lot of options for the Main Page, and it'd be nice to see something more than just a link to the two "portal" pages. A few ideas I can think of are:
:::#Split the Main Page right down the middle with LG15 stuff on one side and KM stuff on the other side.
:::#Keep the page looking a lot like we have it but add links to KM things as they happen. In other words, update the video list with videos from both series, add links to KM pages to the links list on the left, etc.
:::#Remove all "series-specific" information from the Main Page and put it in the lonelygirl15 portal page. The Main Page would then be about the LG15 universe in general so LG and KM followers could both find only useful information.
:::Now, for all of these, there would still exist the "portal" pages to get more detailed pages about the specific series. I really don't know what's best, and I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts about these ideas and/or other ideas for what to do here. Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:00, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
:I don't like the "splitting" simply becuase that'd be a little confusing, IMO. Again, I'm relatively new to wiki-editing, so if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, forgive me. But since it appears that the two shows will interact in ''some'' way, it seems reasonable for now if we simply keep the main page "as is" for the most part but under the "Breenverse" section we simply create two sections: "Lonelygirl15" & "KateModern." (everything currently under there would fit nicely into "Lonelygirl15"). With that huge list redesigned into a list of two, we'd have room to add any KM characters under the current LG15 characters (possibly with a different color to their names, i.e. not blue). Behind the Scenes, Site Features, and Unofficial Spinoffs would remain the same, I imagine. What'd be really cool if we could have the "LG15" in the corner to change to KM whenever you landed on a KM page (again, not sure if that's even doable, but I think itd be cool). Those are my thoughts for now . . . hope what I said didn't sound crazy. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 09:30, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm... I was reading through this and I got an idea about splitting up the homepage but keeping all the stuff currently on it. Here's my idea: Move the "latest developments to the left side in between the ENCYCLOPEDIA (which we could change to read "LONELYGIRL15") and the Featured Article. Then, on the right create a "clone" of the left dealing with Kate Modern... I dunno. What do you guys think? -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:20 6 July 2007 (EST)

::: I love this big picture, how do we organize everything sort of stuff. Almost makes me wish I were still around more, but I've been having so much fun at the {{Wikipedia|User:JayHenry|mothership}} that I rarely make it back here (and if any of you are ever looking to get more involved at the mothership, let me know, I'd love to help you find a niche!) So, as I understand it, KateModern will exist entirely within the same [[Breeniverse|universe]] but, just like real teenagers in L.A. and London, they will have little interaction, their lives will not affect each other much -- just like if a guy named Wixy gets some girl pregnant in London; Jay's life in, uh..., Miami, will be unaffected. Similarly, Wixy's bedroom ''exists'' in my universe, but it has no relevance to me whatsoever.
::: I think ideally you'd have Kate and LG15 latest video sections both on the main page somehow. For an idea like the portals, it might be best to have a [[template:Latest LG15 updates]] and a [[template:Latest KM updates]] and have both templates be transcluded on the Main Page and then one each on [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] respectively. That'd reduce the amount of redundant work, but I'll admit, I don't have a good idea for how to design the main page with two latest video sections.
::: Just some suggestions as I won't be around to implement any of it. I hope KateModern is a success, it'd be nice to have my interest restored, especially now that {{Wikipedia|Prom_Queen_(internet_series)|Prom Queen}} is over. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Ugh, all you admins are abandoning me! I feel so alooonee </emo>. Haha well, either way it's nice to hear from you Jay... hopefully you'll be around a bit more... maybe? Your ideas sound good.. I'm just so confused about how to impliment them. I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head fully around what we're trying to do, so it's hard to figure out the best way to do it. It sounds like you've got some good ideas though (< To Everyone) and I'm anxious to see what kinds of things people come up with. As for right now, I think I'll just keep reading everyone's ideas until something sparks me.. or someone else, you know, figures it all out. I also made a post on the LGBlogspot directing people to this page, so who knows, we may get some new, fresh contributions soon! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:37, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I like Jay's idea about using the templates. I will ''try'' to get that done later today if no one else gets it done first, but no promises. I'll also try to get some sample portal pages up today or tomorrow so that we have something to start with and maybe then it will be easier to work from there. As an aside, I really do feel bad about not being here as much, Zoey, but the demands of life are simply making it difficult. I think you're doing a great job considering we all did pretty much abandon you. Oh, by the way, has anyone heard from OiC recently?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::Lol yeah, I know. Stupid "real life" taking all the fellow admins away from me! Hrmph! OIC was in the IRC chat the other night, he said he'd be on again soon.. but I haven't seen him since! And thanks! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:21, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:I think we should wait and see how KateModern is received before doing much - if it flops in the first week, there's no use redesigning half the encyclopedia.
:After all, LG15 was kind of new back in the day - by now, KateModern is just another internet series.
:(And given how the Creators failed to vary the plot arcs within ''one'' series already, I can very well see how people might recognize this as "Lonelygirl15 UK" and get bored because it's the same thing with different characters.)

:So, as said, I advocate waiting.
:But if you ''don't'' want to wait, I suggest replacing the "Encyclopedia" box on the main page with one LG15-specific and one KM-specific block, while updating the video-list with vids of both series.
:Splitting the page in half by series would look terrible.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:Lets see, they are in the same universe, lets see, fan fic is gonna blur the line faster then u can say wiki --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 11:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::True. The acrowleyorder series has already made references to KateModern, and I'm sure about 50 will follow. Maybe it would be best to divide into three sections instead of Two (One being fanfiction) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:23 6 July 2007 (EST)

Simple solution:
1) on the left you have character pixs: the new page would have character pixs for both shows
2) below that you have Breeniverse which would stay the same but....
3) each of the items such as Characters would have an LG page and a Kate page (eg characters -lg15 and characters kate, locations-lg15, locations-kate etc (those can grow organically as needed as did the original pedia)
4) then on the right under latest developments videos for both series would be posted as they occur
--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 12:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:One thing I just realized: We can't include the KateModern Videos on the same list as the LG15 videos because of the way the number formatting works. KateModern Episode #1 would show up as LG15 Episode #230 or something. I like the merging of the "latest updates" but we should have separate video lists to avoid this problem (ex: two links at the bottom of the latest updates: List of all LG15 videos... and List of all KM videos... --[[User:FH14|FH14]]
::Well, they say that the KM vids will be appearing on the LG15 homepage (after appearing on Bebo). If they happen to end up in the same official videolist, then I guess that won't be a problem, FH14. But if they end up elsewhere? Oy. Is there a chance to simply keep the LG video count going, but have the KM videos under KM1, KM2, etc? Again, not sure if that's even wiki-possible, but that's my spiel. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::I did some concepting, please state your opinion on [http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainpageredesignok8.png this], everybody.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:32, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I like it. although the Taylor overlap may be a problem. maybe if the info/video boxes were a bit wider? That would also allow more room if there are more than three main characters in KateModern. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:10 6 July 2007 (EST)
::::That layout is 850px wide. We need around 155px for the menu, which brings us to 1005px. That's the very, very maximum for a 1024x768px resolution. So I fear wider is not an option.
::::In a worst case scenario, we'll have to split and wrap the the image rows in the middle of the layout.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Are you sure? The current homepage looks wider than the design to me. Of course, when it comes to pixels I'm clueless, so I may be wrong [[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:23 6 July 2007 (EST)
:::Renegade, can you do a design where the Encyclopedia box is split in half horizontally and the rest of the page looking relatively the same? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok I know i haven't been around very much lately, but I'm still as opinionated as ever. I think Miles has totally the wrong idea how to structure the website. I think the loneleygirl15, should remain the site for the story about Bree , Katemodern should have It's own domain name. what we are currently calling the Breeniverse needs to have a name that isn't Breecentric, but encompasses KateModern the Order the HymnOfone etc. for the sake of clarity for the moment I'll call it the Dendraverse, though it probnably won't be called that. so this is how I would structure it Dendarverse.com will have have all the meta info about the Dandraverse and be a portal to lonleygirl15.com katemodern.co.uk (or whatever it's called), Hymnofone.org, and any other website within the Dendraverse. it will also have contain the dendraforums which will contain the currentl lonleygirl15 forums, the KateModern, forums. the Dendraverse Fanfic forums, etc. and it will also contain. it will also contain the Dendrapedia. The dendrapedia use the current Wkik, but will have a new main page which acts as a portal into will have a new main page which is a portal into LGpedia, KMPedia, FanficPedia, etc, the current main page will be moved to a new article called LGpedia, and function much the same way as the Aphidpedia page currently does. Similarly we will have an article called KMPedia that looks much the same but used a perhaps a Red color scheme. Except for the Home page all the domain names will operate synonymously using the same Forum and WiKi directories. I hope I explained myself clearly, the idea is pretty straightforward but I'm not sure I communicated it well. I do think this is the most logical way to go. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:15, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm sorry, Misty, but I disagree. I think that if there were two separate websites - lonelygirl15.com and katemodern.com - it would ruin the show. Some (but only a few) fans don't even know about KateModern yet, and if they had to go to katemodern.com to view it, then they would not know! And they would be missing out on a whole "sequel"-ish spin-off to lonelygirl15. And what you said about the Breeniverse not being so Bree-esque, I can understand that. However, I think Miles gave us basically a solution to that problem. Instead of the Breeniverse, we call it the LG15 Universe. Then again, that's still lonelygirl15-esque, but you get the point. We could do the Orderverse, the Hymn of One Universe... I don't know. It's the only way that seems possible to me. Making another whole website, katemodern.com, just seems to complicated to me. Plus making a whole wiki, KMPedia... it would seem so small compared to the LGPedia. My suggestion is that the '''Main Page would be very simple. The centered words "Choose Your Destination" with two arrows pointing to a picture of Bree, with the words "lonelygirl15" under it, and a picture of Kate, with the words "KateModern" under it.''' Then, the picture of Bree would redirect to our current Main Page. The picture of Kate would redirect to a KateModern-esque Main Page. Sure, we'd have to change a few things, like maybe the name of Lucy's Balcony, or the link to the List of Videos on the side. We could have a link to the List of LG15 Videos, and a link to the List of KM Videos. It just seems like lonelygirl15.com is where lonelygirl15 was born, and it should be where KateModern was born. Miles even said that they were in the process of redesigning lonelygirl15.com so that you can view both shows on it. I say we keep the name LGPedia, unless something major comes up, like a complete separation of lonelygirl15 from KateModern. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 09:40, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

::Obviousley you didn't understand what I was saying because you are suggesting the same structure. you are just saying that it shoulod all be under the name all under the LG15 name, and that's the point I was objecting to. If you read what i said I wasn't suggesting creating other websites or a new WKI. I was sugessting Creating New domain names. a website can have 1000 domain names if you want. and KMPedia isn't a separate wiki is just a separate article. what I'm saying is that CONCEPTUALLY KM doesn't belong Under LG15, but KM and LG15 belong side by side Under the umbrella of a greater Universe. I called it the the Dendraverse in my example, but could have a different name. but it shouldn't be called the the LG15 universe, because LG15 is Bree eventually Bree will be gone, and if you try to separate LG15 from Bree then it has no meaning. so calling it the LG15 universe makes as much sense as calling it the CMJ24 universe. techincally what i propsed just means moving a few pages and creating a few links. -03:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

For whomever is desiging the pages, we now have a few images of Kate, thanks to her Bebo profile.
[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern1.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern2.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern3.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern4.jpg|thumb|110px|left]]{{Clr}}
--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:48, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

I have to confess i haven't read all the comments her yet, but it seems the easiest and most efficient way to implement miles' directive is to create a main page for kate modern. the main page for the lgpedia and kmpedia (or whatever it gets called) should both include a prominent link to the other. lonelygirl15.com/kmpedia (or whatever its called) she be made sure to redirect (by their webguys, this isn't a wiki thing) to the kmpedia main page. the kmpedia page is not going to have a lot to start, but i would get it in place and go from there. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:12, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

: ok, whizzes get to work?!! i think the red color of kate's bebo profile should be used in instead of the lgpedia blue? http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Kmpedia --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:26, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I played with the new page just a bit, as I know little-to-nothing about the wikicodes and didn't want to mess everything up --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Okay, I took it a little further. We clearly need someone to get the colors looking right.. and we need to crop the images of the cast to the proper size. I didn't really know what to put in the Encyclopedia/Important Links yet, so I just kind of listed some LG pages I thought might be useful. If someone could find like.. Kate's BeBo, or anything else you think would be more important/better suited there, I think it would be great! But generally speaking, I think it's a good start. What do y'all think? (Or are we better going with a layout more similar to [[AphidPedia]]?) Okay, thoughts please! I'm off to bed! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:20, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::::If we're going to have a seperate KMPedia anyway, I'll try to design something that is like Miles wanted - Two portals and a general universe news main page.
::::I'll update pages when I'm done, and expect your opinions afterwards.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Cool I was Planning on working on it a little tomorrow, but i think I'll wait till you get started and I'll help you refine it. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::It's looking much better already! The show debuts on July 16 per the article in today's Sunday Times (UK) (posted at lg15today) --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 08:14, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::::Misty, about what you said about the "LG15 Universe." Miles clearly stated in his first quote that the LG15 Universe is the universe that encompasses [[lonelygirl15]] ''and'' [[KateModern]]. I am sorry about not understanding your post. I completely agree with that. I've been thinking, particularly about what Miles wanted, and this is what I've come up with. The C's will do whatever they want with the main lonelygirl15.com page, but they did say that both shows will be viewable from it, and that they would have a link to the lonelygirl15 portal, and the KateModern portal. I think that the KMPedia page right now should actually be the KateModern portal. And that the Main Page right now should be moved to some other name, and it will be the lonelygirl15 portal. The Main Page should be, as Renegade said, a "general universe news main page." I think that that should be on the bottom half of the page, and the "Choose Your Destination" with links to both the lonelygirl15 portal and the KateModern portal will be at the top. I think that maybe we should delete more fan fiction pages (it's overwhelming how much there is) so that we have more room on the wiki for KateModern pages. Those are just my thoughts. Thanks, [[User:SilverBULLETx3|  '''•Silver•'''  ]] [[User talk:SilverBULLETx3|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SilverBULLETx3|Contribs]] 10:40, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look as good in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are optimized to look best in that Browser. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock
. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:::'''Vote Tally'''
''Browser Neutrality''
# Suppory Enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Zoey|Zoey]]
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Opposed of enforced Browser Neutrality
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
''Official Browser''
# Support Firefox as the Official Browser
## [[User:Renegade|Renegade]]
# Support Safari as the Official Browser
## [[User:Misty|Misty]]
# Support IE as the Official Browser

 

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

:::I think different line height is close enough to not count as "differently looking".
:::After all, the only thing different is how far down the montage extends.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 03:32, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::: Yes it certainly counts , in fact that is the ''main issue'' for this whole discussion. We either declare Firefox safari or IE as the official Browser, and align it for that; or we declare Browser Neutrality and the page gets redesigned so vertical alignment doesn't matter. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 03:59, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::If you decide to redesign a perfectly fine layout just because the lines are a little more spaced in one browser, you're doing that alone, missy. :P
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
That sounds like a vote againsts enforced browser neutrality. Ok so that things don't get confused I'm going to put a vote tally: Please ad or edit your vote appropriately. -[[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 11:42, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony

2007-07-08T07:33:11Z

12.218.155.57: /* Browser neutrality or Official Browser */

[[Image:GustaveCailbotteThe Balcony1880-Cropped.jpg|left|thumb|150px|A couple of [[LGPedia]] admins ([[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] & [[User:Psmith|Psmith]]) take a breather to admire the view from [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

[[Image:Lucy's_Balcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Your friendly [[LGPedia]] admins, [[User:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]], and [[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] enjoy an unseasonably warm {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} afternoon on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

Welcome to '''Lucy's Balcony''', a place to ask questions or discuss general issues about the [[LGPedia]]. This page is intended to be a place where admins and active editors can discuss ongoing issues, ideas and concerns. To start a new thread, [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=LGPedia:Lucy%27s_Balcony&action=edit&section=new click here]. Please remember to sign your posts by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end.

For old or inactive conversations, visit [[LGPedia:Lucy's Balcony/archive|Lucy's archive]].

[[Image:snowwhitebalcony.jpg|right|thumb|150px|[[User:Zoey|Zoey]], one of your [[LGPedia]] admins, frolics with the doves on [[Lucy's Balcony]].]]

 

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== Unused images ==

In cleaning up location pages I've orphaned a rather large number of images. The location pages had an unfortunate tendency to just include random screen-shots from videos that had absolutely nothing to do with the location. I've been cutting them out. Do we want to have an unused image assessment of some sort? Use the good ones, and just delete the lousy ones? We really don't need to keep hundreds of unused images laying around. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:06, 15 May 2007 (CDT)
:Well I think that you should delete the unused images, that don't look like they can be useful, to add to later articles or updates. Several times I went to an image category to find an image for an article. -[[User:Misty|misty]] 17:40, 15 May 2007 (CDT)

== General deletion/inclusion guidelines ==

As a result of the discussion on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]] and also somewhat on [[LGPedia:Tasks/Completed#LordGreystoke422's videos]], I think it's high time we figured out exactly what our deletion and inclusion policy is here. Currently our [[LGPedia:Deletion Policy|deletion policy]] is rather minimal and very much open to interpretation. There was a discussion about this on [[LGPedia talk:Deletion Policy]] quite a while back, and most of that is probably still applicable, but I have a feeling people will have some new ideas as well. I think the best way to handle the inclusion aspect of this would be to create a list of criteria that are necessary in order for an article to be included here. What we don't want to do is turn into Wikipedia here, but having some generals guidelines wouldn't be a bad idea. Another issue is deletion, which I suppose is very related to inclusion. I guess we could also have a list of reasons for why an article should be deleted, and maybe another list for reasons that ''aren't'' enough for an article to be deleted. Really, this is very open-ended, but I would ''love'' if people would get involved in the discussion here. To put in my two cents, I think a good first point for inclusion would be that it is related to Lonelygirl15 in some way. How closely related it would have to be is a point of discussion I guess, but that's a start at least.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:39, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Okay, for me, I think that with fan videos, you should kind of look at what the purpose of the videos is, how they tell their stories, and what kind of stories are being told. Like I think videos that seem to be "going somewhere"... like distinctive stories with distinctive arcs may be better with just large summary pages that people can read. It makes it much easier to follow those kinds of stories when things are all laid out in one place. Like, LG422... and GC and such. Those are the kinds of stories I mean. However, with things like say... aaronbeast, where they're kind of... response videos.. or videos that don't really follow a specific story but kind of adapt based on what's going on in the [[Breeniverse]], those should get their own video pages. That's how ''I'' would view it... although I'm not entirely sure that made sense... hopefully it did. :P I'd love people's thoughts please!! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 18:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:I've gotta say, while I did negatively notice this before, when I was looking through the templates to catalogue them, I was once more reminded how many fan-created series have pages here.
:That is not bad per se, but, without going to sound arrogant or anything...many of them are just not noteworthy.
:Example - chosen randomly, not a personal attack: [[Linsy]]. We have a page on her, three video pages with transcripts, and even [[:Category:Linsybeast's blogs]]. And you know what? I have no idea who the fuck that is.
:Don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fanfic, fan participation, or anything. But I think we should set a certain standard of "noteworthyness" before listing people here, at least on more than one general site. Stuff like HSAO gained a lot of user traction, and Dr. Immant's videos apparently were quite well done and well-received by fans (never seen them) - but we don't have to have entire catalogues of every video every LG15 fan once did, just because they pretend to be in the Breeniverse.
:Another thing is useless occupation of space; example: There is a hardcoded sidebar-template for "GuillotineCalamity", which means that sidebar is fixed for that video series and cannot be used by anyone else. What's it used for? Two pages that contain barely more than "Transcript incomplete". Check out Category:GuillotineCalamity - the five season subcategories are all empty, and GC Seasons does nothing more than link to these empty categories. Apparently, at least according to the main page on that topic, there actually were quite a lot of these videos. Where are they? Why do we need five categories and a sidebar, if all we have on that series other than the main page are two video pages with no information?
:Like I said, don't get me wrong - I have nothing against fan fiction. But what we're currently doing is like accepting every little essay a grade schooler once wrote into the Great Library of Alexandria. We are flooded with pages that, quite frankly, don't interest anyone but the authors...and maybe two or three other people.
:I don't know exactly ''how'' to solve this problem, maybe by requiring a certain amount of hits on a single page, before branching out is allowed or something, but I think the overall quality of this encyclopedia suffers from this. While fan fiction most definitely is an important part of LG15, this is the official encyclopedia on the official site, sometimes visited by The Creators themselves through their Admin account - I think it should focus on important and official stuff first, and ''then'' on fan faction and trivia. Right now, we have some important core pages, like List of Videos, the video pages themselves, List of Characters and the character pages, and a whole lot of crap that is fun to have, but takes focus away from the efficient administration and care for the important pages. Do we really need a page on [[H.P. Lovecraft]]? As far as I'm concerned he has had ''no'' major influence on the canon. He has enjoyed, ''perhaps'' some passing references, but ''that's nothing special''. Hundreds of videos everyday do that. But they link to Wikipedia instead of writing their own page about him. [[Dava Sobel]]. wtf do we need that for? It's a one line note, ''and'' it's been said on the video page for [[Proving Longitude Wrong]]. There is no reason to have that page.
:Okay, I think you got my point here - it's late, so I'll move on.

:Deletions. Yeeees. Zoey has ignored me for the past few days, so I guess it's evident I have quite some strong feelings on this topic. Most of them I have already posted, so let me just sum things up quickly:
:I have nothing against deletions as such. In fact, I myself have given good reason for the deletion of both Template:PageHeader and [[Template:Clr]], after this whole orgy was over - see the respective talk pages. What I was, and still am, annoyed by is the notion that a template should be deleted just because it's currently unused. A template is a convenience thing. A tool. Do you throw away your hammer just because you don't use it at a given point in time, and then get it back out when you actually use it? I think not.
:If a template is useless and will most likely ''never'' be used, fine - kill it. But if it's a useful little thing, why delete it, just because ''right now'' nobody is using it?

:The discussion also revealed a kind of weird view of deletion around here - apparently, it means nothing. The stance here seems to be to delete something if it's currently unwanted, and to restore it if it's wanted again. And that just takes the use and meaning out of it. A deletion should be a strong statement that the page is not wanted anymore. Instead, it's being used for a crude form of giving the appearance of order - similar to a child that gets the order to clean his room, only to shovel all his toys under his bed. Sure, it looks clean, but as soon as he'll need the toys, he'll get them back out.
:I am not against restoring, I said that. But it should be a tool rectify a mistake - not an action as common as opening a page.
:In fact, this stance is probably connected to what I mentioned above - ''we have too much crap lying around here''. If pages were reduced to essentials and semi-essentials, it'd be a much harder decision to delete anything, simply because it'd have a major impact on the information presented. Instead, an admin can delete half the pages here without fear to destroy anything important - 90% of all users would still find exactly what they want.

:It's two o' clock in the morning, so I'll stop here. I know I didn't present any solutions, but maybe it's better to hear your reactions first anyway. Don't be shy, and don't be afraid to use whatever language you might find necessary. Just remember that we're talking about administrative issues here, not friendship or community. This is not, at least from my point of view, about whether or not somebody's feelings might get hurt if his pages are deleted (be it "my" templates, [[Linsy]]'s blogs, or carefully crafted pages over totally insignifcant details), but about how to get a certain sense of order in this thing, and setting a certain standard of quality.
:You cannot accept everything if you want the average to be good. The question is just if you have the balls to turn people down if it's necessary.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:09, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:*looks up* ...oops. [[Template:Quote]], if anyone is crazy enough to reply.

:BAH, Zoey, out of my line of post! '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''

::@Zoey: Hmm, that's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure it would really work. I don't think it would be too fair to say that a certain series shouldn't have video pages just because it has the "story" format that you're talking about. Similarly, there's no reason that a rather minor fanfic video should get its own video page just because it doesn't have that story format. I think the criteria should be something like popularity, connection to LG15, probability of canonicity, etc.

::@Renegade: I think you raise some good issues. Firstly, I agree with you about the problem with notability of videos. I think when the whole [[List of New Girl Candidates|new girl]] thing was going on, every possible "new girl" was given a page, and all of their videos started to be transcribed. This has created a lot of probably-less-than-notable fan blog pages that people may not be that interested in. I think a good solution might be to figure out which ones are actually notable (perhaps page-view count as you suggest or maybe something else), and then determine if we need the transcript pages or just one page for the character that could give a summary of their blogs and general information on them. That way, the notability or important of a fan series is reflected here by how much space, time, effort, etc. we put into it. Again, it might be hard to determine the "notability" factor, but I'm sure we could come up with some method to do so.

::As far as the waste of space, the reason that happens (at least from my point of view) is that we hate to undo someone's work because we either 1) don't want to hurt their feelings (a lame reason really) or 2) think they might come back to it at some point in the future. It's a little similar to the templates you created, Renegade. We see that someone has created something which looks like it could be useful, but isn't really being used yet. We're skeptical about deleting it, and yet it seems like it would help clean up if we do. I think just better communication all around would help solve this problem. We shouldn't be afraid to ask people why they created a certain page, template, category, etc. as long as it's done in a considerate way. If there is a genuine good use for what they have done, then they can explain it. If it was done on a whim or we decide it's not necessary or there's a better way to organize the information, then it can be deleted or reorganized.

::And really, I agree with you about the deleting/restoring thing. What I was trying to say before is that ''if'' a page gets deleted because no one sees a good use for it, then we can ''fix'' the mistake of deleting it by restoring it. I was trying to point that that deletion isn't that big of a deal because it can be undone. Of course, if we think we're going to be restoring something later, then of course we shouldn't delete it. I hope this makes sense, and I'll try to explain better if it doesn't.

::One final word. You're right that we're not talking about friendship or community here, and I agree that people should be free to express their opinions openly. Sometimes, though, this can turn into a war between people rather than between those people's ideas. I encourage everyone to not take anything personally here. As I'm so fond of saying, we're all working toward the same goal, so please remember that and never assume that someone is attacking you personally. Any and all personal attacks here will '''not''' be tolerated, so let's try to not make that an issue. That said, let's continue to have a helpful discussion that will make this place better for everyone.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay I just wanted to say, my idea was for how to handle videos once they're already gotten the stamp of approval to be on the page, based on whatever criteria we set. Because like Renegade said, the GC videos and the CIW vidoes all have video pages, but really arent used. So um, if based on our criteria to get something on the site in the first place, they're still good, I think we should look at the things I mentioned before, and perhaps decide that they don't need video pages, only summary pages (like LG422 videos as well). As far as WHAT those criteria are, I don't really know...

And Renegade, I haven't been ignoring you. I've been reading everything you say very closely. The strength of my opinions on these topics, however, doesn't even come close to yours, so it is difficult for me to give you worthy responses. But I am reading what you are saying and just... trying to take a step back and examine all viewpoints before I give any input on what I think should be done for what things. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Pinging Zoey with 478 bytes of data:
Reply from Zoey: bytes=1006 time=563040000ms TTL=255

:hehehe :D
:Nah, seriously...thanks for replying at all. Although I now feel like a fundamentalist radical on the topic of deletions, it at least gives me the hope I didn't piss you off for good. I do see some irony in the fact that Template:PageHeader still exists, though, given that even I am for its deletion now. :D
:Aaaand that brings us back on topic (ain't I good?): It's dead. Nobody wants to talk, but us. So I propose we do the stuff suggested below, to make people aware of what we're discussing above. Sound like a plan? Good. I'll try to code/design something and ... '''Update:''' I did code something, behold it on [[LGPedia:Participate]]. But now my favorite admistress (or one the other demi-gods) would have to go to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] and add <nowiki>{{LGPedia:Participate}}</nowiki>, as I lack the power to do that. Make sure to add it outside of a block of text though (first thing on the page at best) as everything else fucks it up. Took me three revisions to figure out the template was fine, and the the positioning was to blame. -_- And adjust the top-margin when it's added, I had to guess for now.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:35, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:: It's looking really good. I think [[:Category:Featured article nominees|featured articles]] and [[:Category:Proposed Merges|proposed merges]] should also be added... and probably some other stuff I'm not thinking of ATM. I'm assuming it doesn't update automatically though? So people will have to really be on top of it. Oh, and also, I think the text under Participate should be bigger... for those of us who are blind *cough*. I'll see about adding it to recent changes, but I generally fail at that kind of stuff anyways, so it might be better to wait for another admin to come along and make it look nice...
::And um, yeah, I'm going to go delete PageHeader now :D --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 16:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

:The fact that "Renegade" does not know "who the fuck" [[Linsy]] is, is pretty unimpressive criteria for deleting anything a fan has taken the trouble to add to LGPedia. I think the opinion as expressed here is incredibly arrogant and hostile to community (comments such as "grade school", "crap", "having balls" etc. do not inspire confidence). My personal opinion is that unless you are running into some hard technical issue such as exceeding storage space (which is usually absurd these days, but possible), there is very little justification to delete contributions made by occasional posters or those outside the core LGPedia group. That is the opposite of what you should be doing. Add structure? Absolutely. Move really random/disconnected items off to an orphanage for lost pages (or equivalent) sure. But don't delete, and leave a link (comprehensive note on a talk page or comment in history or *some* obvious path to finding the moved article without having to contact a staff member - I'm not sure what the best solution there is).

:There are growing and independent circles of fans, who are every bit as invested and involved in their segments of the Lonelygirl15 community as the few LGPedia mainstays, and the vitality of this effort depends on the confidence that time invested in posting here will not be discarded by someone with a different idea of what is important. That kind of editing would be disrespectful and foolish. My contributions here have been minor, and may not even fit in with your concepts (I don't know), but if I put something here and linked to it from off site, and came back later to check for updates, etc. and found my work silently deleted, I would be angry. That kind of move should be made with the utmost care and respect.

:So address the issues, but find a better solution than deleting even relatively trivial contributions from fans. You never know when they will come back to expand on or edit their work, possibly becoming more significant contributors later. You folks have a great thing going here - there is no need to alienate the occasional contributors. First contributions take the most effort sometimes, and should not be undervalued.

:Maybe a better editorial concept is to think of a core set of pages (a trunk and main branches) that are tightly controlled, surrounded by a cloud of satellite pages (twigs and leaves) that are a bit wild and unruly, with a few orphans that fall to the ground, but are still down there somewhere. ~ [[User:QtheC|QtheC]] 08:15, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

::So wait, let me get this straight...you wait for eight days, to attack a sentence in a post that's almost three weeks old, over a fact that was clearly introduced with "chosen randomly, not a personal attack"?
::Riiiiiight. Were you bored, or just in an aggressive mood?
::Everybody else got fine that it was an example to illustrate the issues with noteworthyness we have here, and the fact that you can only fight it by dragging it down to a personal level and attacking my credibility just proves to me that I raised an undisputable point; you may not like it, but fact is: In all probability, said "Linsy" adds nothing to the Breeniverse.
::Yes, it is nice to have devoted fans, and yes, the fan interaction in and with this series is great - but that does not automatically mean that the official encyclopedia has to include every single video by every user that slightly, remotely connects to the topic. I have nothing against including notable fans on LGPedia. If a video series gained a big viewership, like the several Cassies or HSAO, or some of the OpAphid analyzation vids, fine, include them - they ''are'' important to the community around the series, and, as such, important to the series.

::But, no matter how arrogant you'd like to interpret this, ''reality'' is: The latest vid of that "Linsy" person has 71 views. It has a page with nothing but a sidebar, and it's a shaky video of her or her character's birthday "partay". Okay. Typical YouTube content. Fine to be online. But why the hell does it have to be on LGPedia? Is it of great importance to the canon? Nope, she's not canon. Is it of great importance to the fandom? Nope, it's had 70 views before I just clicked. Is it an exceptionally well-crafted page? Nope, it's one line with a sidebar.
::She may be a nice person, and her videos might even be funny - but, as of this moment, there is nothing exceptionally significant or notable about them that'd require us to list it here. And the positive effect of having ''everything'' listed gets outweighted by the negative effect of having ''almost everything'' look like crap.

::Even if you wish to list each and every tiny little fanvid, what's the use of listing them if their page says nothing? Let's say we let that page stay as it is. What is the great advantage gained by users through this? Is it that, of nineteen videos existing, only four are listed? Or that, of these four, one fourth doesn't have a transcript? Or that they can read a transcript at all?
::Who is, realistically, going to read a transcript of some girl's fanfic blog?

::You can call me arrogant all you want, whoever lives in reality sees I'm not trying to belittle that girl, but to be realistic. It is great she's active in the community, and it takes a great deal of courage to tape a video and put it out there for everyone to see. But the fact that she's a fan with a video alone doesn't make her or her video significant enough to be put up on the official site next to the information on official videos.
::We should focus on information important to the Breeniverse and the fandom. And some girl's birthday party, as nice as she may be, just has nothing to do with. The maximum effect that page will have on unintroduced users will be that they wonder how she is tied into the series, and get all confused.
::'''Added to reply to addition''':
::That may be a nice idea, but the problem is, would care for the twigs and orphans. We'd have hundreds of unmaintained pages laying around, building a "cloud of crap", so to speak, around the important entries. If someone maintained these pages, it'd be a different issue...but people won't. You can hope and dream all you want, a "lowly" fanfic-video-page just isn't gonna get the same editorial attention as an official video page.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:12, 24 June 2007 (CDT) '''[Editing conflict resolved]'''
::And for the record, thanks to the new sidebar on recent changes, silent deletions are almost impossible now - unless someone disregards all procedures.

::: This was the most idiotic dispute in the history of the Wiki. Just saying! --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:09, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

== "Have your say" page ==

I just had a read of the problems mentioned above (deletions etc.) and thought of an idea that might be of help to both this and other problems that arise from "normal users" scanning the last 50 recent changes to see what has been happening (thereby missing out when there have been lots more changes since they last logged in). I would propose having a LGPedia:Have your say page listed on the right hand column, perhaps under the "Recent changes". This page would then have links to all current discussions and votes that users may be unaware are going on at all, e.g. pic/caption votes, redesign comments, delete-tagged pages. This may help getting more people involved in decisions than at present (because they wouldn't necessarily be logging in as frequently as an admin, nor would they be visiting the various log pages that we know about). In addition, the delete period between tagging and deleting should be increased to 2 weeks (except where an admin is just rectifying a mistake).

This may not completely avoid the situation with deleted templates mentioned above, but if in addition we admins think twice in future before nominating something unused for deletion than that's probably all else we can do.

Having said that, as both [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] and [[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] have respectively pointed out, it is neither a big deal leaving pages that are unused alone until they become useful again, nor accepting that some pages which are deleted through lack of feedback can be restored afterwards. Let us not get heated about this either way. [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 15:27, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

:I like that idea very much, Psmith. Renegade proposed something similar on [[Template talk:HoverTOC]], but I think this would work better. I think people see that column a lot and "Have your say" if a very self-explanatory phrase that should hopefully draw people in to have their say about things. We would have to make sure to keep this page updated or it wouldn't work, but if we can do that, then I think it should work great. As far as extending the deletion period from 1 week to 2, it really doesn't make a difference to me. If people think this would help solve problems with deletions, then I'm all for it. I'd love to hear others' opinions on both of these issues, so please feel free to pipe in with your support or objections.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 12:22, 9 June 2007 (CDT)
::[[Special:Recentchanges|BEHOLD]] what Zoey and I crafted together!
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:07, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Wow! [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 12:45, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

== Addition of KateModern to LGPedia ==

Hi everyone. [[Miles Beckett|Miles]] has requested via email that we make some changes to LGPedia to prepare for [[KateModern]]'s premiere later this month. The details are included in his email which I have included here:

{{quote|Miles|
As you know, KateModern is launching soon and I'd like to give you some information so you can revise the LGPedia accordingly. In our minds, the framework is as follows:

#LG15 is the Universe that includes lonelygirl15 and KateModern and future shows (The LGPedia should track the entire LG15 Universe)
#lonelygirl15 is the US show with the characters we all know and love
#KateModern is the UK show with a new cast and plot

We are redesigning the website to make the interface cleaner and also to display both shows. We're going to provide a link on the lonelygirl15 show page that goes to a lonelygirl15 "portal" in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage of LGPedia. Similarly, we'll provide a link on the KateModern show page that goes to a KateModern "portal in the LGPedia that would look similar to the current homepage but would be all KateModern specific stuff. LGPedia would therefore need a new homepage that would provide links to these sub-page portals for each show, and a lot of the information that is already on the homepage since alot of this is more about the LG15 Universe.

Does that makes sense? I wanted to give you a heads up since KateModern launches in mid-July and we'd love if LGPedia was up to date by then. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks!

Miles}}

My own thoughts on the issue are to not do anything too drastic until we reach a decision about what should be done and it all seems feasible. It looks like we'll need to create [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] (or names similar to these) as well as resurrect [[Main Page/redesign]]. I think a good goal would be to try to get this all done within about a week or so that it will be ready for the launch of KateModern. If anyone has any questions for Miles, feel free to post them here or on [[User talk:Jonpro|my talk page]] and I can send them on to him.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 14:54, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:Hm, wow, this is definately a massive project. Maybe it would be best to have a ''really'' basic homepage that says something like "Chose Your Destination" with links to both of the girls and that be it? Or something very similarly simple. Maybe we can just keep the LG frontpage the same and make a copycat for KM with the links and stuff she needs. I'm kind of confused about how to determine what would be used for both though. I mean, it's not going to take place in [[Bree's bedroom]] or anything, is it? Where do we draw the line for what is LG15 and what is LG15 Universe? Hm, also I guess we could make like.. top categories to help make things easier to classify? Like a Category:KateModern, Category:Lonelygirl15, and a Category:Breeniverse (that contains stuff for both worlds?). I don't know, like I said, I'm having a hard time comprehending just how much of an overlap there will be, so its kind of hard to figure where to draw the line, but those were my intial thoughts at the idea. Let me know what you think...! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 17:03, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::Zoey I totally agree - I think we should have a splash page, if you will, for the 'pedias. On the front page can be something simple, Kate -enter- and LG -enter- or however you want to present them. This page can be the "fancy" page, if we want, and it can look really good, and different from the 'pedia now if we're looking for something fresh. But the pedia works REALLY well set up as it is. I don't think changing it is a good idea. Not overall. As for the sharing sections, I think that we should just stick to having articles that are accessible to both pedias through common links. Don't get into three different pedias. Asking for trouble, that. Just stick to two pedias outlining two storylines, and the common lines between them will take care of themselves. [[User:MarlaSinger|MarlaSinger]] 17:42, 6 July 2007 (EST)

::I was wondering the same thing about the amount of overlap. If there really isn't going to be any interaction between the series, it makes sense to basically have two sections to the site, kind of like you're saying. I went ahead and sent Miles an email asking him how much overlap there will be, so I'll be sure to let you guys know what he says when I get a response.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 18:46, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::Okay, I got an email back from Miles and here it is (I think it's easier to just copy/paste than try to explain it in my own words):

:::{{quote|Miles|The characters "can" communicate with each other but it remains to be seen how much they will. Things like the Order, the Hymn of One, and all of that larger mythology will be in both series to varying degrees. Think of it like, the Order, HOO, the stuff about the blood, the girls, the Elders, etc. etc. are all the same across both shows. But, the characters and plot are different. Happy to answer any other questions. Thanks!}}

:::So I don't think we should try to "split up" LGPedia into two sections or anything, but I think we should definitely do something with the categories like Zoey suggested. Maybe we can go through and add "Category:Lonelygirl15" to at least some (maybe all?) of the pages here, and then start adding "Category:KateModern" to the pages that we create for the KM characters, locations, videos, etc. Other than that, it'd probably be a good idea to focus our energy on the "portal" pages and the Main Page. I think we have a lot of options for the Main Page, and it'd be nice to see something more than just a link to the two "portal" pages. A few ideas I can think of are:
:::#Split the Main Page right down the middle with LG15 stuff on one side and KM stuff on the other side.
:::#Keep the page looking a lot like we have it but add links to KM things as they happen. In other words, update the video list with videos from both series, add links to KM pages to the links list on the left, etc.
:::#Remove all "series-specific" information from the Main Page and put it in the lonelygirl15 portal page. The Main Page would then be about the LG15 universe in general so LG and KM followers could both find only useful information.
:::Now, for all of these, there would still exist the "portal" pages to get more detailed pages about the specific series. I really don't know what's best, and I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts about these ideas and/or other ideas for what to do here. Thanks!--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 22:00, 4 July 2007 (CDT)
:I don't like the "splitting" simply becuase that'd be a little confusing, IMO. Again, I'm relatively new to wiki-editing, so if what I'm saying doesn't make sense, forgive me. But since it appears that the two shows will interact in ''some'' way, it seems reasonable for now if we simply keep the main page "as is" for the most part but under the "Breenverse" section we simply create two sections: "Lonelygirl15" & "KateModern." (everything currently under there would fit nicely into "Lonelygirl15"). With that huge list redesigned into a list of two, we'd have room to add any KM characters under the current LG15 characters (possibly with a different color to their names, i.e. not blue). Behind the Scenes, Site Features, and Unofficial Spinoffs would remain the same, I imagine. What'd be really cool if we could have the "LG15" in the corner to change to KM whenever you landed on a KM page (again, not sure if that's even doable, but I think itd be cool). Those are my thoughts for now . . . hope what I said didn't sound crazy. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 09:30, 5 July 2007 (CDT)
::Hmm... I was reading through this and I got an idea about splitting up the homepage but keeping all the stuff currently on it. Here's my idea: Move the "latest developments to the left side in between the ENCYCLOPEDIA (which we could change to read "LONELYGIRL15") and the Featured Article. Then, on the right create a "clone" of the left dealing with Kate Modern... I dunno. What do you guys think? -- [[User:FH14|FH14]] 00:20 6 July 2007 (EST)

::: I love this big picture, how do we organize everything sort of stuff. Almost makes me wish I were still around more, but I've been having so much fun at the {{Wikipedia|User:JayHenry|mothership}} that I rarely make it back here (and if any of you are ever looking to get more involved at the mothership, let me know, I'd love to help you find a niche!) So, as I understand it, KateModern will exist entirely within the same [[Breeniverse|universe]] but, just like real teenagers in L.A. and London, they will have little interaction, their lives will not affect each other much -- just like if a guy named Wixy gets some girl pregnant in London; Jay's life in, uh..., Miami, will be unaffected. Similarly, Wixy's bedroom ''exists'' in my universe, but it has no relevance to me whatsoever.
::: I think ideally you'd have Kate and LG15 latest video sections both on the main page somehow. For an idea like the portals, it might be best to have a [[template:Latest LG15 updates]] and a [[template:Latest KM updates]] and have both templates be transcluded on the Main Page and then one each on [[Portal:Lonelygirl15]] and [[Portal:KateModern]] respectively. That'd reduce the amount of redundant work, but I'll admit, I don't have a good idea for how to design the main page with two latest video sections.
::: Just some suggestions as I won't be around to implement any of it. I hope KateModern is a success, it'd be nice to have my interest restored, especially now that {{Wikipedia|Prom_Queen_(internet_series)|Prom Queen}} is over. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Ugh, all you admins are abandoning me! I feel so alooonee </emo>. Haha well, either way it's nice to hear from you Jay... hopefully you'll be around a bit more... maybe? Your ideas sound good.. I'm just so confused about how to impliment them. I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head fully around what we're trying to do, so it's hard to figure out the best way to do it. It sounds like you've got some good ideas though (< To Everyone) and I'm anxious to see what kinds of things people come up with. As for right now, I think I'll just keep reading everyone's ideas until something sparks me.. or someone else, you know, figures it all out. I also made a post on the LGBlogspot directing people to this page, so who knows, we may get some new, fresh contributions soon! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 00:37, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I like Jay's idea about using the templates. I will ''try'' to get that done later today if no one else gets it done first, but no promises. I'll also try to get some sample portal pages up today or tomorrow so that we have something to start with and maybe then it will be easier to work from there. As an aside, I really do feel bad about not being here as much, Zoey, but the demands of life are simply making it difficult. I think you're doing a great job considering we all did pretty much abandon you. Oh, by the way, has anyone heard from OiC recently?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 07:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::Lol yeah, I know. Stupid "real life" taking all the fellow admins away from me! Hrmph! OIC was in the IRC chat the other night, he said he'd be on again soon.. but I haven't seen him since! And thanks! :) --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 19:21, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:I think we should wait and see how KateModern is received before doing much - if it flops in the first week, there's no use redesigning half the encyclopedia.
:After all, LG15 was kind of new back in the day - by now, KateModern is just another internet series.
:(And given how the Creators failed to vary the plot arcs within ''one'' series already, I can very well see how people might recognize this as "Lonelygirl15 UK" and get bored because it's the same thing with different characters.)

:So, as said, I advocate waiting.
:But if you ''don't'' want to wait, I suggest replacing the "Encyclopedia" box on the main page with one LG15-specific and one KM-specific block, while updating the video-list with vids of both series.
:Splitting the page in half by series would look terrible.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:09, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:Lets see, they are in the same universe, lets see, fan fic is gonna blur the line faster then u can say wiki --[[User:Brooklynxman|Bxman]] 11:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::True. The acrowleyorder series has already made references to KateModern, and I'm sure about 50 will follow. Maybe it would be best to divide into three sections instead of Two (One being fanfiction) --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 13:23 6 July 2007 (EST)

Simple solution:
1) on the left you have character pixs: the new page would have character pixs for both shows
2) below that you have Breeniverse which would stay the same but....
3) each of the items such as Characters would have an LG page and a Kate page (eg characters -lg15 and characters kate, locations-lg15, locations-kate etc (those can grow organically as needed as did the original pedia)
4) then on the right under latest developments videos for both series would be posted as they occur
--[[User:Modelmotion|modelmotion]] 12:30, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

:One thing I just realized: We can't include the KateModern Videos on the same list as the LG15 videos because of the way the number formatting works. KateModern Episode #1 would show up as LG15 Episode #230 or something. I like the merging of the "latest updates" but we should have separate video lists to avoid this problem (ex: two links at the bottom of the latest updates: List of all LG15 videos... and List of all KM videos... --[[User:FH14|FH14]]
::Well, they say that the KM vids will be appearing on the LG15 homepage (after appearing on Bebo). If they happen to end up in the same official videolist, then I guess that won't be a problem, FH14. But if they end up elsewhere? Oy. Is there a chance to simply keep the LG video count going, but have the KM videos under KM1, KM2, etc? Again, not sure if that's even wiki-possible, but that's my spiel. --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 13:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

::I did some concepting, please state your opinion on [http://img461.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainpageredesignok8.png this], everybody.
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 14:32, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::I like it. although the Taylor overlap may be a problem. maybe if the info/video boxes were a bit wider? That would also allow more room if there are more than three main characters in KateModern. --[[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:10 6 July 2007 (EST)
::::That layout is 850px wide. We need around 155px for the menu, which brings us to 1005px. That's the very, very maximum for a 1024x768px resolution. So I fear wider is not an option.
::::In a worst case scenario, we'll have to split and wrap the the image rows in the middle of the layout.
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:16, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::Are you sure? The current homepage looks wider than the design to me. Of course, when it comes to pixels I'm clueless, so I may be wrong [[User:FH14|FH14]] 16:23 6 July 2007 (EST)
:::Renegade, can you do a design where the Encyclopedia box is split in half horizontally and the rest of the page looking relatively the same? --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 15:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Ok I know i haven't been around very much lately, but I'm still as opinionated as ever. I think Miles has totally the wrong idea how to structure the website. I think the loneleygirl15, should remain the site for the story about Bree , Katemodern should have It's own domain name. what we are currently calling the Breeniverse needs to have a name that isn't Breecentric, but encompasses KateModern the Order the HymnOfone etc. for the sake of clarity for the moment I'll call it the Dendraverse, though it probnably won't be called that. so this is how I would structure it Dendarverse.com will have have all the meta info about the Dandraverse and be a portal to lonleygirl15.com katemodern.co.uk (or whatever it's called), Hymnofone.org, and any other website within the Dendraverse. it will also have contain the dendraforums which will contain the currentl lonleygirl15 forums, the KateModern, forums. the Dendraverse Fanfic forums, etc. and it will also contain. it will also contain the Dendrapedia. The dendrapedia use the current Wkik, but will have a new main page which acts as a portal into will have a new main page which is a portal into LGpedia, KMPedia, FanficPedia, etc, the current main page will be moved to a new article called LGpedia, and function much the same way as the Aphidpedia page currently does. Similarly we will have an article called KMPedia that looks much the same but used a perhaps a Red color scheme. Except for the Home page all the domain names will operate synonymously using the same Forum and WiKi directories. I hope I explained myself clearly, the idea is pretty straightforward but I'm not sure I communicated it well. I do think this is the most logical way to go. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 02:15, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:I'm sorry, Misty, but I disagree. I think that if there were two separate websites - lonelygirl15.com and katemodern.com - it would ruin the show. Some (but only a few) fans don't even know about KateModern yet, and if they had to go to katemodern.com to view it, then they would not know! And they would be missing out on a whole "sequel"-ish spin-off to lonelygirl15. And what you said about the Breeniverse not being so Bree-esque, I can understand that. However, I think Miles gave us basically a solution to that problem. Instead of the Breeniverse, we call it the LG15 Universe. Then again, that's still lonelygirl15-esque, but you get the point. We could do the Orderverse, the Hymn of One Universe... I don't know. It's the only way that seems possible to me. Making another whole website, katemodern.com, just seems to complicated to me. Plus making a whole wiki, KMPedia... it would seem so small compared to the LGPedia. My suggestion is that the '''Main Page would be very simple. The centered words "Choose Your Destination" with two arrows pointing to a picture of Bree, with the words "lonelygirl15" under it, and a picture of Kate, with the words "KateModern" under it.''' Then, the picture of Bree would redirect to our current Main Page. The picture of Kate would redirect to a KateModern-esque Main Page. Sure, we'd have to change a few things, like maybe the name of Lucy's Balcony, or the link to the List of Videos on the side. We could have a link to the List of LG15 Videos, and a link to the List of KM Videos. It just seems like lonelygirl15.com is where lonelygirl15 was born, and it should be where KateModern was born. Miles even said that they were in the process of redesigning lonelygirl15.com so that you can view both shows on it. I say we keep the name LGPedia, unless something major comes up, like a complete separation of lonelygirl15 from KateModern. [[User:72.77.92.54|72.77.92.54]] 09:40, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

For whomever is desiging the pages, we now have a few images of Kate, thanks to her Bebo profile.
[[Image:KateModern Cast.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern1.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern2.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern3.jpg|thumb|110px|left]] [[Image:KateModern4.jpg|thumb|110px|left]]{{Clr}}
--[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:48, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

I have to confess i haven't read all the comments her yet, but it seems the easiest and most efficient way to implement miles' directive is to create a main page for kate modern. the main page for the lgpedia and kmpedia (or whatever it gets called) should both include a prominent link to the other. lonelygirl15.com/kmpedia (or whatever its called) she be made sure to redirect (by their webguys, this isn't a wiki thing) to the kmpedia main page. the kmpedia page is not going to have a lot to start, but i would get it in place and go from there. --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:12, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

: ok, whizzes get to work?!! i think the red color of kate's bebo profile should be used in instead of the lgpedia blue? http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Kmpedia --[[User:Milowent|Milowent]] 00:26, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
::I played with the new page just a bit, as I know little-to-nothing about the wikicodes and didn't want to mess everything up --[[User:Phoenician|Pheon]] 01:49, 8 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Okay, I took it a little further. We clearly need someone to get the colors looking right.. and we need to crop the images of the cast to the proper size. I didn't really know what to put in the Encyclopedia/Important Links yet, so I just kind of listed some LG pages I thought might be useful. If someone could find like.. Kate's BeBo, or anything else you think would be more important/better suited there, I think it would be great! But generally speaking, I think it's a good start. What do y'all think? (Or are we better going with a layout more similar to [[AphidPedia]]?) Okay, thoughts please! I'm off to bed! --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 02:20, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

== Browser neutrality or Official Browser ==

Ok there are some pages ( like the list of videos page ), that have significant differences when rendered in different browsers, and currently anyone can just edit to make the page look good in there own browser, and things don't look quite right in other browsers. I think we need a standard, either we enforce "Browser Neutrality", by not allowing any page design that doesn't look as good in all Browsers, or we declare one Browser the official Browser, and all pages are optimized to look best in that Browser. Realistically there are only 3 Browsers, that we need to concern ourselves with Safari (Webkit), Firefox (Gecko) and Internet Explorer (Trident), since every other Browser uses the same rendering engine as one of them. all of them have pros and cons:

Safari (Webkit) -
*Pros: Renders fonts better than any other Browser, most compliant to WC3 web standards.
*Cons: Windows version is still Beta,
*Other Webkit Browsers: OmniWeb, Swift, Sunrise, Midori, Shiira, Konqueror

Internet Explorer (Trident)
*Pros: Largest market share,
*Cons- Ignores WC3 standards, renders poorly
*Other Trident Browsers: AOL Explorer,Avant, Maxthon

FireFox (Gecko)
*Pros: Good WC3 compliance, best cross-platform support.
*Cons: inconsistent line spacing, adding extra pixels to object heights.
*Other Gecko Browsers: Netscape,Seamonkey, Camino, Galleon, Epiphany, K-Meleon, Flock

Of the three, my vote is for Safari, though I also support enforcing browser neutrally. --[[User:Misty|misty]] 14:03, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

:Didn't we reduce the render-difference to different line heights in List of Videos? At least that's the only significant difference I remember and see...
:Of course I'd love Firefox to become the official browser, but unless that happens, I'd prefer neutrality - 'cause I sure as hell won't develop on IE, and I'm not gonna install that buggy apple thing on my machine.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:14, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
:Personally, I vote for browser-neutrality. As web developers, you want your pages to look nice for everyone who views them, not force your viewers to use a certain browser or "tough luck guys". Plus, with something as widely viewed as the LGPedia, I think it's fair to say no matter what browser would be chosen as "official", there will be a LARGE number of viewers who do not use that. So yes, I vote for neutrality. --[[User:Zoey|Zoey]] 23:52, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
::Ok well if we for browser neutrality the list of videos page need another redesign, sinse the montage to list alignment breaks browser neutrality. so no pages can be designed to need vertical alignment of independent objects. So it looks like so far everyone is agreeable to browser neutrality, I say that if there are no objections by midnight July 10, that we make that official policy, and add it to the style guide -[[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 02:33, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

2007-07-08T07:13:33Z

12.218.155.57: change arcname to The Gilman Files

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===Before Bree===
[[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[YouTubers Secret Language]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Misdirected. Lost Visual in the Burn Out]] {{Init|Brother}}
 [[Sparks Are Flying]] {{Init|Brother}}
 [[3-2-1 Contact]] {{Init|Brother}}
 
 
===In The Beginning...===
<li>[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree's Religion===
<li>[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Add Poe Hinder Vilification]] {{Init|WarPylol}}
<li>[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===The Ceremony===
<li>[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Questions===
<li>[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Things Turn Dark===
<li>[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel Escape===
<li>[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===The Watchers===
<li>[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel Get Desperate===
<li>[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 
 
===Going To Jonas===
<li>[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 [[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Bree Makes A Move===
<li>[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 [[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}
<li>[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===
<li>[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Daniel’s A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Daniel's Disappearance===
<li>[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
==="Those Who Fight And Run Away..."===
<li>[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Who IS Jonas?===
<li>[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Introducing Aunt Alex!===
<li>[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== Tracked, Captured, and Escaped ===
<li>[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}
 
 
===South Of The Border===
<li>[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}
 [[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}}
 
 
===Going Underground===
<li>[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}
 [[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== The Search For Jules ===
<li>[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Naïve Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
===Bree's Surrender ===
<li>[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== Getting Bree Back ===
<li>[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bedside Manner]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Taking Advantage of Her]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[HOLY SH%T!!!]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[The Morning After]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Mr. Park Ranger]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Everybody Does It ;)]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Like A Virgin]] {{Init|Taylor}}
 [[My Eternal Song]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Going Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===The Gilman Files===
<li>[[A New Lead]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[The Mad Scientist]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Sweating Bullets]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[FOLLOW YOUR HAPPINESS]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Mistress]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[In (Search of) sanity...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Rockin' the Boat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Mom's A Freak!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Up Blogosphere!]] {{Init|Spencer}}
<li>[[Look Back]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Dad Died Too]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Dude Back Off]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[Going Back to Cali]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[All Wet]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Kicked Out - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
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*[[#Before Bree|Before Bree]]
*[[#In The Beginning...|In The Beginning...]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's Relationship|Bree & Daniel's Relationship]]
*[[#Bree's Religion|Bree's Religion]]
*[[#More Bree & Daniel's Relationship|More Bree & Daniel's Relationship]]
*[[#The Ceremony|The Ceremony]]
*[[#More Questions|More Questions]]
*[[#Things Turn Dark|Things Turn Dark]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel Escape|Bree & Daniel Escape]]
*[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel Get Desperate|Bree & Daniel Get Desperate]]
*[[#Going To Jonas|Going To Jonas]]
*[[#Bree Makes A Move|Bree Makes A Move]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's Relationship Ad Nauseam|Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam'']]
*[[#Daniel's Disappearance|Daniel's Disappearance]]
*[[#"Those Who Fight And Run Away..."|"Those Who Fight And Run Away..."]]
*[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]
*[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]
*[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]
*[[#South Of The Border|South Of The Border]]
*[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]
*[[#The Search For Jules|The Search For Jules]]
*[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]
*[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]
*[[#The Gilman Files|The Gilman Files]]

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Lonelygirl15 locations

2007-07-02T05:56:02Z

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This article is a directory for '''location pages''' in the [[LGPedia]] containing specific location information that complements the video episode pages. Click on the links to see what videos were shot at which locations.

{{Subheader|Locations In Which [[BDJ]] Have Lived}}

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|[[image:Mits room1.jpg|thumb|center|115px|[[Motels]]]]
|[[image:Joneas house.jpg|thumb|center|115px|[[Jonas's house]]]]
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|[[image:0146-House-1.jpg|thumb|center|130px|[[Alex's house]]]]
|[[image:Alexlivingroom1.JPG|thumb|center|130px|[[Alex's vacation home]]]]
|[[image:0173-OfficeAreaAtTheBunker.jpg|thumb|center|130px|[[The bunker]]]]
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|[[image:0186-BreeAndTaylor.jpg|thumb|center|130px|[[Taylor's bedroom]]]]
|[[image:0206-Bree-Cabin-Bedroom.jpg|thumb|center|130px|[[The rented cabin]]]]

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{{Subheader|Other Locations}}

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*[[The park]]
*[[Topanga Canyon]]
*[[Gemma's flat]]
*[[Lucy's apartment]]
*[[Beaches]]
*[[General LA area]] - Bree and Daniel on the run.
*[[The movie theater]] - close to the second motel.
*[[The warehouse]]
*[[Rest stops]]
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*[[Mexico]]
*[[Jules's house]]
*[[Zavalla]]
*[[Site of the camp play]]
*[[The HoO Seminar location]]
*[[Wyman Foundation]]
*[[La Jolla Health and Tennis Club]]
*[[Minor locations]]
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List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

2007-06-05T06:27:43Z

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<ol>
===In The Beginning...===
<li>[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree's Religion===
<li>[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Bree & Daniel's Relationship===
<li>[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===The Ceremony===
<li>[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[You Made the Right Choice, Bree!]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[An update of sorts]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Questions===
<li>[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[My lonesome update for mid October]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Things Turn Dark===
<li>[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[URGENT: For My Helper!]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[LG15 in Topanga Canyon - NBR 1]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel Escape===
<li>[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[They Are Still Everywhere]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[What I Found at Topanga Canyon - NBR 2]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[What's in the Box/Bree & Daniel Update - NBR 3]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[They Are Watching]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===The Watchers===
<li>[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Watchers Everywhere]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[My Day at the Movies - NBR 5]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 
 
===Bree and Daniel Get Desperate===
<li>[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Knock 'Em Down]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}}
 [[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Where Is Jonas?]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 
 
===Going To Jonas===
<li>[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Gemma? (Part I)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 [[Gemma? (Part II)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Gemma? (Part III)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
 [[Investigating Gemma - NBR 7]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Happy Holidays LG15 - NBR 8]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Bree Makes A Move===
<li>[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 [[Gemma (Part IV)]] {{Init|Tachyon}}
<li>[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Gemma (Part V)]] {{Init|Brother}}
<li>[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[The Last Hours of Bree's Dad's Life - NBR 9]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's Relationship ''Ad Nauseam''===
<li>[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Daniel’s A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Investigating Pins and Pints]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Naming Bree's Dad]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Daniel's Disappearance===
<li>[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
 [[Finding the Cowboy - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 [[Mmm Slurpee - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
==="Those Who Fight And Run Away..."===
<li>[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[Look Who I Found!!!]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Who IS Jonas?===
<li>[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 [[School's In Session! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Introducing Aunt Alex!===
<li>[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
===Together Again===
<li>[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}
 
 
===South Of The Border===
<li>[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}
 [[It's Party Time - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Call Me Jules]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Following the Drugs - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
 [[He's a monster, I promise!!]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[First Video (I know, lame title)]] {{Init|Taylor}}
 
 
===Going Underground===
<li>[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[The Ceremony Girl?! - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Running For Life]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}
 [[Practice Sucked :(]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Field Trip]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}
 [[I Recognize Her!]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Mi Escuela]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== The Search For Jules ===
<li>[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}
 [[Hear Me Out]] {{Init|Jules}}
<li>[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}
 [[Bucking Broncos - NBR Investigates]] {{Init|Nikki Bower}}
<li>[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Naïve Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
===Bree's Surrender ===
<li>[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Comfort Food]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Sister = Slut]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Oh, The Places You'll Go]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Sing With Me]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[CAMP PLAY]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Be Part of Something]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Opening the Box]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Entertaining Myself]] {{Init|Sarah}}
<li>[[It's A Cult]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== Getting Bree Back ===
<li>[[Getting Her Back]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I hAtE tHeSe PeOpLe]] {{Init|Bree}}
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*[[#In the beginning...|In the beginning...]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's relationship|Bree & Daniel's relationship]]
*[[#Bree's religion|Bree's religion]]
*[[#More Bree & Daniel's relationship|More Bree & Daniel's relationship]]
*[[#The ceremony|The ceremony]]
*[[#More questions|More questions]]
*[[#Things turn dark|Things turn dark]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel escape|Bree & Daniel escape]]
*[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]
*[[#Bree and Daniel get desperate|Bree and Daniel get desperate]]
*[[#Going to Jonas|Going to Jonas]]
*[[#Bree makes a move|Bree makes a move]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's relationship ad nauseam|Bree & Daniel's relationship ad nauseam]]
*[[#Daniel's disappearance|Daniel's disappearance]]
*[[#"Those who fight and run away..."|"Those who fight and run away..."]]
*[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]
*[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]
*[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]
*[[#South of the Border|South of the Border]]
*[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]
*[[#The Search for Jules|The Search for Jules]]
*[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]
*[[#Getting Bree Back|Getting Bree Back]]

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2007-05-19T04:34:55Z

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<ol>
===In the beginning...===
<li>[[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Danielbeast]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents Suck...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel Responds]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's relationship===
<li>[[Boy Problems...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Girl Problems...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[He Said, She Said]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Daniel The Neanderthal]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree's religion===
<li>[[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What Bree's Dad Said...]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Swimming!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree The Cookie Monster]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[A Change In My Life]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Poor Pluto]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More Bree & Daniel's relationship===
<li>[[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[I'm Going to the Party!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[House Arrest]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[In The Park]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[What's A Date?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My First Kiss]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning To Drive]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Equinox]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[How Could You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===The ceremony===
<li>[[My Difficult Decision]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Who Is This?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Helper]] {{Init|Bree}} [[DO GO TO GOD, Cassie (for my helper)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[How My Parents Met]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are They Going?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Crossed The Line]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Order of Denderah]] {{Init|Daniel}} [[Everyone Hates Cassie: What a poor, lonely girl.]] {{Init|OpAphid}} [[They Attack Cassie! Is Daniel Next? He Crossed the Line.]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Zodiac of Denderah]] {{Init|Bree}} [[What ever happened to that girl, Cassie?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]] {{Init|Bree}} [[Cassie is Lying, Cassie Tells Lies]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Ceremony]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[I Completed The Ceremony]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===More questions===
<li>[[Following The Helper]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel, Be Careful...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where's Daniel?]] {{Init|Bree}} [[Nut Kills Man]] {{Init|Gemma}} [[Disclosure: Cassie. We Are "They"]] {{Init|OpAphid}} [[Which Side Are You On? (Keep This In Mind)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I'm Hiding Out]] {{Init|Daniel}} [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[I Lied To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}} [[Living In London]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[I Listened To Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hi Gemma!]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Things turn dark===
<li>[[It's Not Your Decision]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[I Talked To My Parents]] {{Init|Bree}} [[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Proving Longitude Wrong]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Thanks Gemma...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[They Disappeared...]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[What Makes Us Sad?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Life's Not Fair]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel escape===
<li>[[Still At Daniel's]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Where Are My Parents?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Horrid Flatmates]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[On The Run]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Learning Egyptian]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Motel Pool]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Don't Trust The Authorities]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Exploring The Motel]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===The Watchers===
<li>[[Someone's Following You]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Man In The Suit]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breakfast In Bed]] {{Init|Daniel}} [[My Name Is Jonas]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[A Watcher]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Fleeing The Watcher]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Survival Skills]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Silent Treatment]] {{Init|Daniel}} [[Bored At Home]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[An Awkward Silence]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Date With P. Monkey]] {{Init|Bree}} [[Happy Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Jonas}} [[Adventures in Babysitting]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Thanksgiving]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree and Daniel get desperate===
<li>[[Ransacked!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Scared To Go Home]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Trust Issues]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Daniel Is Right]] {{Init|Gemma}}
<li>[[Homeless]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Warwalking]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[The Anti-Cribs]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Bad Decisions]] {{Init|Gemma}} [[Home Alone]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[The Test]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Going to Jonas===
<li>[[Your Decision]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Back Home]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Tough Cookie]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Gemma, Who Are You?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Cheer Me Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Back At Bree's]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Bree Phone Home]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Undisclosed Location]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Skateboarding]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Breaking And Entering]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Mystery Movies]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Christmas Surprise]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Bree makes a move===
<li>[[Bree's Gone]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Roadtrip]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[The Unthinkable Happened]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree's Dad Is Dead]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[My Dad Said...]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[45 Seconds]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Purple Monkey Returns]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Foosball]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Hiding In The Bathroom]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Bree & Daniel's relationship ''ad nauseam''===
<li>[[Bree And I Hooked Up]] {{Init|Daniel}} [[The Ends Justify The Means]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Kicked Out]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Daniel’s A Liar]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Truth Or Dare]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hungover]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Time To Grow Up]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Foosball Battle]] {{Init|Daniel}} [[Lose Something?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[For The Ladies]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Daniel's disappearance===
<li>[[Daniel's Missing!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Looking For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Sleepover]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Cowboy]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Miss Me?]] {{Init|OpAphid}}
<li>[[Me For Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Storm The Castle]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Human Ransom]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
==="Those who fight and run away..."===
<li>[[Rescuing Daniel]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Drinking Problems]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Valentine's Day Massacre]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Watch This!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Yellow Snow]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Snow Angels]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Jonas Sucks]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Men Are From Mars]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Cracked The File]] {{Init|Daniel}}
 
 
===Who IS Jonas?===
<li>[[How Dumb Am I?]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Bree Is Crazy]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Interrogation 101]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[What The Hell?!??!]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Is He Out There?]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Proving Bree Wrong]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[On The Road Again]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Sorry Jonas]] {{Init|Bree}}
 
 
===Introducing Aunt Alex!===
<li>[[Beach Bum]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Flesh Wound]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[My Hand Hurts]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Aunt Alex]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Training Hard]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[On The Hot Seat]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Lucy!?!?!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Alex Is...]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
===Together again===
<li>[[Truckstop Reunion]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Co-Ed Foosball]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Vegas, Baby!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Subjects Apprehended]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Psychological Torture]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Communication Terminated]] {{init|The Order}}
<li>[[Missing Days]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Losing My Religion]] {{init|Bree}}
 
 
===South of the Border===
<li>[[Lying Bastards]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Spring Break Sucks]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Confrontation]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Hug It Out]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Apology Accepted?]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[Spanglish]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[The Perfect Beach]] {{init|Bree}}
 
 
===Going Underground===
<li>[[About The Gun]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[New Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Running For Life]]
<li>[[Intervention]] {{init|Jonas}}
<li>[[Sloppy Drunk]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Blog Girl]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Quitting The Sauce]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[What Happened to Us???]] {{init|Daniel}}
<li>[[A Solid Lead]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Science Proved Nothing]] {{init|Jonas}}
 
 
=== The Search for Jules ===
<li>[[OUT OF THE BUNKER!!!]] {{init|Bree}}
<li>[[Crazy Emo Chick]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[No Trespassing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[We Found Julia!!!]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[It's Not Kidnapping]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Naïve Girl]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[She's Missing]] {{Init|Bree}}
<li>[[Aiding and Abetting]] {{Init|Jonas}}
 
 
===Bree's Surrender ===
<li>[[What the F*@k???]] {{Init|Daniel}}
<li>[[1500 Miles]] {{Init|Jonas}}
<li>[[I Know What Boys Like]] {{Init|Taylor}}
<li>[[Let's Play Doctor]] {{Init|Daniel}}
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*[[#In the beginning...|In the beginning...]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's relationship|Bree & Daniel's relationship]]
*[[#Bree's religion|Bree's religion]]
*[[#More Bree & Daniel's relationship|More Bree & Daniel's relationship]]
*[[#The ceremony|The ceremony]]
*[[#More questions|More questions]]
*[[#Things turn dark|Things turn dark]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel escape|Bree & Daniel escape]]
*[[#The Watchers|The Watchers]]
*[[#Bree and Daniel get desperate|Bree and Daniel get desperate]]
*[[#Going to Jonas|Going to Jonas]]
*[[#Bree makes a move|Bree makes a move]]
*[[#Bree & Daniel's relationship ad nauseam|Bree & Daniel's relationship ad nauseam]]
*[[#Daniel's disappearance|Daniel's disappearance]]
*[[#"Those who fight and run away..."|"Those who fight and run away..."]]
*[[#Who IS Jonas?|Who IS Jonas?]]
*[[#Introducing Aunt Alex!|Introducing Aunt Alex!]]
*[[#Tracked, Captured, and Escaped|Tracked, Captured, and Escaped]]
*[[#South of the Border|South of the Border]]
*[[#Going Underground|Going Underground]]
*[[#The Search for Jules|The Search for Jules]]
*[[#Bree's Surrender|Bree's Surrender]]

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Breeniverse

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The '''Breeniverse''' is a loosely defined term which refers to everything within the [[Lonelygirl15]] project, including [[characters]], [[locations]], official [[MySpace]] profiles, [[YouTube]] comments and website comments (which are in-character and treat the characters as if they're real) which would be considered "real" within the fictional universe that [[Bree]] inhabits.

The term, which first came into use in August 2006, is loosely cribbed from similar terms such as the ViewAskewniverse (referring to Kevin Smith's interconnected movies) and the Buffyverse (which includes the television series ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' and ''Angel'').

== Links ==
*[[Breeniverse Timeline|Timeline]]
*[[Bree's religion]]
*[[The Story So Far...]]
[[Category:Meta-discussion]]

List of lonelygirl15 videos/Season 3

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Talk:Main Page

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''We've had some problems with vandalism on the talk page here. For now, only registered users can leave comments here. If you have a question to ask, feel free to [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], it's fast, easy, fun and free. Or, if you have questions, you can always ask our administrators, [[User_talk:Brucker|Brucker]], [[User_talk:JayHenry|JayHenry]] or [[User_talk:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]].''

== Talk Archive for Main Page ==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive_up_to_November_2006 | Archive up to November 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Nov-Dec 2006 | Archive from November up to December 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Dec-Jan 2007 | Archive from December up to January 2006]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion | Archive of redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/redesign | Archive of final redesign discussion]]
*[[Talk:Main Page/Archive from Jan-Feb2007]]

==Features==
Does anybody else think that the featured article should be at the top of the page? Maybe somebody could try making the top header smaller and sticking it to above the table and using the white space above Latest Developments for the featured article. I hope that makes sense, I tried to visualize it. Just a thought. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:25, 25 March 2007 (CDT)

==Char. List/Gemma==

I switched the positions of Gemma and Jonas on the Char. List. It might have been alphabetical, sorry if I messed that up. I just think Jonas has surpassed Gemma in importance in the story, considering that his Dad was studing the Order. [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:31, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:Well, they were really (at least in my mind) in order of appearance, but some people have talked about taking Gemma out of that box completely. Personally, I liked it as it was before, but maybe we should revisit the issue. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 21:40, 6 March 2007 (CST)

::It's probably time to take Gemma out. Or at least make her image redirect to [[plot holes]]. I thought there'd be some resolution or fallout since her presumed death two months ago. I guess not. But she's definitely no longer a main character.--[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

:::It would make sense for them to be in order of appearance. But, I think Gemma is definitely not a main character anymore. Maybe we could have another link to her page and a link to plot holes somewhere in a different section. I guess we'll see how the vote going on a few lines north of here pans out. --[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 19:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)

::::I'm expecting Alex to become a main character, and if so, I have uplodaed a [[:Image:AlexChar.jpg|picture of her]] in the proper format to replace Gemma, as she probably should. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 13:14, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I sure hope you're right. The first Alex vlog is going to be a momentous occasion if it happens. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 13:16, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::I doubt Alex is going to start blogging. she's not exactly going to want to connect with us, gain our sympathy. but I think she should already be a main character, whether or not she's actually done a vlog. she's definitely more important right now than Gemma, and while she hasn't videotaped herself, she's had plenty of screentime. i think we should put her up now.--[[User:Skeeta|Skeeta]] 02:12, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Maybe we've seen the last of Alex. Now that she's been exposed, she may never Appear on Camera again. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:48, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Did ya'll see the character box at the end of each character's page and the actor box at the end of each actors page? They both have Gemma/Jackie Jandrell as a minor character/actor in the story, with Bree, Daniel, and Jonas as the main characters and the actors who play them as major actors. The main page should reflect the entire wiki. I propose waiting to see if Alex becomes an official vlogger, then either taking the Gemma spot out entirely or switching her for Alex. It's become clear that Gemma is most likely dead and that even if she isn't, no new vids will come from Gemmers15. Let's end this once and for all and keep the main page current! [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 20:06, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

: I say we take Gemma out and replace her with the smaller picture option at [[Main Page/redesign]]. If Alex becomes more of a main character, we can add her. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 21:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I like the bigger option better, and I think that's a better pic of Daniel than what's on the main page now. But Gemma has to go, she hasn't been part of the story for nearly 4 months.[[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:03, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

Since no one has made a comment supporting keeping Gemma on the page, I make motion that without objection within the next 24 hours, we declare that we have consensus in removing her. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 13:30, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:If everyone agrees that Gemma should be removed, then the table should be replaced with the small table proposed by JayHenry at [[Main Page/redesign]]. Please do not simply remove Gemma from the current table; use the new table. If you're not sure how to do it, let someone else take care of it. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 15:58, 18 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I take that to be a technical point, not an objection. I wasn't suggesting that we leave a hole in the table, I was saying that we have consensus that whatever format table we use, should not include Gemma. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:36, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

::: I suggest that we use the following box as it is the same width as the current box, with only a little increase in the height [[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:19, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:380px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
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|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|126px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|126px]]
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|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
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Looks good! Let's do it. But maybe you should change Main Characters to Current Bloggers. Similar to what's on the redesign. This would work as we it would only include BDJ but would not say that characters like Alex and Gemma aren't main characters (b/c they are) but it would specify who is producing the vids (BDJ)? [[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 21:02, 18 March 2007 (CDT)

:I think this table is much too large. When put on the Main Page the pictures will really jump out at you. A smaller table, like the one I pointed to in [[Main Page/redesign]] would be more appropriate. I'm adding the table I mentioned below this message. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 00:54, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

{| align=center style="width:300px" border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Bloggers'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:BreeChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:DanChar.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:JonasChar.jpg|95px]]
|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''[[Characters|Full list of characters]]'''
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Well I think we should leave it as Main Characters initially. Then if there is a consensus to changing it to Bloggers, we can change it afterwards. Of course Vloggers would be more accurate than Bloggers [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:07, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:Misty, I think you jumped the gun here. You proposed we wait 24 hours to hear others' opinions, and then you went and changed it 12 hours later. That shows less of a desire to create something everyone is happy with, and more so the urge to get Gemma out of there because you say so. I'm not going to revert it because I don't think Gemma will be missed that much on the table, but I just wanted to ask you to have a little more patience. It is, after all, just a wiki, not a time bomb. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 10:38, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:: Actually I jumped the gun accidently, I was playing around with the table in previews and I hit "save page" instead of "show preview". I thought about reverting it, but decided not to since we were going to make the change anyway. Today I made a very slight color change to it, to make it match the rest of the page a little better [[User:Misty|Misty]] 12:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

However, surely if we do go with Bloggers (which I think we should, with the divide between main and secondary charchters becoming much more ambiguous), surely Gemma should be there, she is a blogger in the series after all. Even if she no longer is blogging (vlogging, whatever) she deserves to be recognised for her part in the series. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 07:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

I bet now that Gemma has been taken off the mainpage that she will reappear in a video, just to mess it up again! [[User:SheriffOfNottingham|SheriffOfNottingham]] 13:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ditto! I wouldn't be surprised! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

==Color scheme==
For reference. I got this from [[Talk:Main Page/redesign/archive of dicussion]]. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT) 
{| align=left style="width:300px" border=2
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:white; color:black"|'''''Color scheme'''''
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| style="background:white"|'''Sample'''
| style="background:white"|'''HTML Color name'''
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| style="background:#0F4C95"|
| style="background:white"|background (0F4C95)
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| style="background:#77C8E5"|
| style="background:white"|"A tribute to" (77C8E5)
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| style="background:#6FC6E3"|
| style="background:white"|"15" (6FC6E3)
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| style="background:#204C9F"|
| style="background:white"|Circles of dots (204C9F)
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| style="background:#2574C4"|
| style="background:white"|Light blue details (2574C4)
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| style="background:#1B5FB7"|
| style="background:white"|Faint dark blue flowers and circles (1B5FB7)
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| style="background:#2450AE"|
| style="background:white"|Bright blue unicursal hex (2450AE)
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| style="background:#1E6BBF"|
| style="background:white"|Center circle of flower (1E6BBF)
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| style="background:#535353"|
| style="background:white"|Navigation bar (535353)
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| style="background:#909090"|
| style="background:white"|Stars on the bar (909090)
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:I'm not sure why you changed those colors, the difference is almost imperceptible. I like the change to the background of "Full List of Characters" since it now matches the background of the column. However, I had to revert the changes to the background "Main Characters", "Bree", etc. because I didn't see the need to change from an official color to an almost identical (but slightly off) unofficial color. It's not your fault that you didn't know we had decided on a color scheme for the Main Page awhile back. I'm going to dig up that table and put it here for future reference. The color you put in was #0f4c95. The equivalent in our color scheme is #1E5DAA. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:34, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:: #0f4c95 is the color used it the top banner and the logo. If #1E5DAA is the official color, the top banner and logo should use it too. Personally I think its better to have everything match at an unofficial color, than to have somethings the unofficial color and others the official color [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:15, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::What gives you the impression that the banner is #0f4c95? I just checked the source code and the top banner actually uses #194B95 as the background color, which is neither of the colors you and I were talking about. I'm not sure why that discrepancy is there, but I didn't make the color scheme table, so I don't know how the colors were determined. (I think Brucker made it--correct me if I'm wrong). For now, I'm going to revert that last blue color you changed (in the Main Characters box), if anything to prevent yet another unofficial color from being in the mix. #1E5DAA may not be correct, but it's used elsewhere on the main page and at least this way we'll keep it uniform and we'll know what to replace if we decide to revise the color scheme. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:28, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::: I got #0f4c95 by examining the rightmost edge of Leftcorner.png. It didn't occur to me to check the code for the banner, I just assumed it would be the same. But #194B95 and #0f4c95 are so close that you can't see the mismatch in the banner. however if you set the banner background to #1E5DAA it really doesn't match the corner pngs, as you will see below. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::I see what you mean now. What I'll do is make #0f4c95 the "official" background color since that should be the best match (instead of what we have now, #1E5DAA), and fix the characters boxes. Thanks for investigating; it's good that we'll be able to standardize this once and for all (I hope). [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:21, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: Getting everything Standardized will require doing a color audit of all theme related images and backrounds. Right now there's some major inconsistencies. I just checked Rightcorner.png and it was #004d98, the List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign page uses #134b9c, and the header image on the lonelygirl15 home page is #005fad [[User:Misty|Misty]] 02:38, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

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[[LGPedia:Welcome|Welcome]] to the '''[[LGPedia|LGPedia]]''', 
Your guide to the world of '''[[Lonelygirl15 (production)|Lonelygirl15]]''' that '''[[Help:Editing|anyone can edit]]'''. 
''Now working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles'' 
'''Warning:''' This wiki contains spoilers for the entire series.
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::No, the main page banner really has to use this color: #194B95. It might seem like the difference between this and other blues is imperceptible, but it's not. Was anybody seeing a color mismatch in the header bar on the main page? --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:01, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Ah, sorry about that, Jay. My mistake. I actually didn't see a mismatch with this ''or'' the previous color. Maybe I'm just not very perceptive. Anyway, please change it to the correct shade (#194B95) on the Main Page and the color scheme table below. I really don't know how the color scheme table came about, so I'd rather take your word for what's right. I think Misty's browser might have shown some color difference, judging by how she keeps testing the colors on the Main Page. Then again, she did say that the diff between #194B95 and the color she found (#0F4C95) was imperceptible, so I think it should be fine if you use the one you have. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 17:10, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::: #0F4C95= red:15,green:76,blue:149. #194B95=red:14,green:75,blue:149 so you see the differnce is just 1/256 more red and green. I used photoshop to determine the color of the images by sampling the edge pixel, I didn't base it on any of my browsers. Like I said above: there's a big discrepancy between different images that needs to bee addressed before any color can be standardized for backgrounds. and the peoiple on the video list redesign don't seem to be reading this discussion here so the problem could get a little worse. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:34, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

=Website font=
On the website banner and the little banner up in the corner, What font are they using for the Lonelygirl15 part? --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

I've personally tried to identify it with little luck. Maybe I'll ask a friend of mine who's a graphic designer...'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 12:43, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

:I just talked to my friend, and the while we could not identify the font, we decided a couple things: (1) It looks a lot like [http://www.linotype.com/12802/serifa75black-font.html Serifa Black], although that doesn't seem to be it. (2) It looks like the 'g' is from another typeface entirely, since it doesn't really match the rest of the letters very well in a number of ways. This type of font is generally referred to as a "slab serif" style font, but I can't find a font of that type with the sort fo curl shown on the top of the 'r' and the bottom of the 'y'. I may do more research.'''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:24, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

::"[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/ortizlopez/olegiziano-classic/black/index.html OL Egiziano Classic Black]" is a very close match, and may in fact be the font. I think it is something in the Egiziano font family at least. (BTW, as I suspected, it seems that "Egiziano" is Italian for "Egyptian". '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:59, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
:::[http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/giza/threefive/ Giza ThreeFive] is even closer, it even has the overhanging serif on the lowercase g (i.e. the lowercase g in Giza actually touches the i if you write "Lonelygirl15", as in the logo, while g and i are seperate in OLEgiziano).
:::Just for reference, dunno if this is still current.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 12:53, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

=Add to Main Page???=
[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 15:06, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

<center>
{| align=center border=2 border-color=#2574C4
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#1E5DAA;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Tachyon and Brother'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Tachyon They Are Watching.gif|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:Brother sidebar.jpg|95px]]

|-
|align=center style="background:#1E5DAA"| '''[[Tachyon|Tachyon]]'''
|align=center style=background:#1E5DAA| '''[[Brother|Brother]]'''
|}
</center>

Needs some work, but maybe something like that on the [[AphidPedia]] if it's not already there. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 16:05, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

==Edits==

I just edited the daniel & jonas page to list the last appearance, i see on the recent changes list that people can like..put a little description of what they changed, i would like to know how to do that as well

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]] 00:20, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

There should be a comment box below the edit box. It says "Summary:" next to it. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 01:14, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

==Cleanup==
This page needs to be trimmed down. Anybody mind if I erase some of the old discussions? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:39, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:We could just archive them like at the top of the page -- move inactive discussions to [[Talk:Main Page/Archive up to March 2007]]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:46, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

== Require login to edit LGPedia ==

I think that people should be required to reqister and login to LGpedia in order to make edits. Almost all the valndalism, and alot of bad edits, are by people wo are logged only bt there IP adress. People are less likely to register, just to vandelize the site. And anyone who seriously wants to contribute wouldn't be put off by the registration/login process._ [[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:08, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

:Hmm, I see what you mean, but I think that requiring a login would discourage some people from editing. As it is, we need as much help as we can get. The vandalism is minimal right now, and this can also be helped by semi-protecting frequently vandalized pages, which has been done for some pages. I know when I first started editing, I did it with my IP address. I might not have gotten into it as much if I had had to create an account right off the bat.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:24, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

::Agreed with Jonpro. It's against the spirit of a wiki to block anonymous editors. And I'm of the opinion that they do more good than harm. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:27, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

:::I wholeheardtedly agree with Jay here. The positive contributions made my anonymous IP addresses is by far outweighing any scattered vandalism that comes as a by-product. For instance, as of late I've noticed many of the video pages have transcripts that were worked on by several anonymous users. I like it better when they login because that way I remember them and get to know them, but it's really their choice. Registered users, on the other hand, have also caused their fair share of vandalism, spamming and trolling in the past. We just do the best we can keeping things in order and blocking those who can't play nice. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:56, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think that the positive contributions made with anonymous IP addresses, could be from registerd users, who either forgot or just didn't bother to login. several of my posts are under my IP address, for that reason, and i had to go back and reedit them to get my identity attached to them. Plus I don't think having to login would be much of a deterrent, on the forums, everyone needs to be logged in to post, and i'm sure most the poeple who edit here post ofn the forum too. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:20, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Another reason I think we need everyone to log in: if you ban someone a dynamic IP address, then they can just come right back the next time, when their DHCP server gives them a different IP address. Today they same person had to be banned twice Because he came here with 2 different IP addresses. -[[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 21:42, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

==Blogger Pics==

Does anyone think that its time we change Jonas & Bree's blog pics on the main page? Daniel's was changed fairly recently but i don't believe that Bree's or Jonas's has been in a while.
---[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:I'm up for a change. Any suggestions for new pictures?--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 15:24, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

::I'd just vote for more recent pictures. I think it's safe to say that Bree is never going back to that bedroom. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 15:27, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

Well i can post a few pictures that i think would be the best for the main page of bree. but i have to upload them first.
--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:Hey Michiev,
:You don't necessarily have to upload any pictures. You can go through [[:Category:Images of Bree]], [[:Category:Images of Daniel|Images of Daniel]], and [[:Category:Images of Jonas|Images of Jonas]] to get some ideas from the pictures we already have. Just thought I'd mention it in case you wanted to look through them.
:[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:17, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
::My visual thoughts...
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|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0146-JonasAtHisAunt'sHouse-Cropped.jpg|95px]]
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|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree Opt. 1]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree Opt. 2]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas Opt. 1]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas Opt. 2]]'''
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''New options for Bree and Jonas'''
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|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 17:04, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
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<center>
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|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-DanielAtTheParty.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging.jpg|125px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty.jpg|125px]]
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|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Daniel|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''Same height but wide-screen versions (I think Bree looks better in the centre, between the 2 boys - aesthetically, rather than alphabetically, ordered)'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 17:04, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
</center>
I like the pics you selelcted psmith andi like the wide-screen versions but i still think bree should be first. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 17:25, 5 April 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, I like the pictures too. I have to say that I prefer the current size rather than the widescreen. I'm not sure why, they just look better to me. As far as Bree being in the middle, I like that idea. Even though she is (kind of) the main character, I don't see a reason why she would have to be first. In fact, being in the middle might emphasize her even more. And sorry Misty if I seem to be contradicting you recently--it's nothing personal of course.--[[User:Jonpro|Jonpro]] 17:33, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
::One more table...
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|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0160-DanielLaughing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
|-
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''This also includes a new Daniel pic - width increased from 95 to 100 pixels - traditional 4:3 ratio and BDJ order'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 19:20, 5 April 2007 (CDT)
</center>

I like the last one the most. :) --[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

:Yeah, I like this last one too...I don't really like the idea of Bree being in the middle...

I gave more thought to this and one thing that I noticed bothered me about the tables above, is that the focal distance of the shots is different on each pic. With the pictures currently on the main page, they all have approximately the same focal distance, and relative head size. That gives the Table a sence of balance and symetry.
I think we should try to achieve that, in the new pictures as well. -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 00:36, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

:I agree with Misty. I think it looks better to have them more or less in proportion with each other. We have ''a lot'' of material to work with, so we should be able to find good shots with almost any specs. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:33, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

<center>
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|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
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| style="background:white"|[[Image:0118-BreeAndRandomGirlPosing-CloseUp.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0160-DanielLaughing-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-CloseUp.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
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|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''Balanced head shots (Bree and Jonas zoomed up to match the Daniel pic)'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 20:11, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
</center>
Can you go the other way, and make them all like zoomed out more,to match Bree in the table above it? -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 20:31, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
::I like the work done on the new characters table. I've noticed nobody has commented on which picture of Bree to use. I strongly prefer the one of Bree from Snow Angels (Op1) rather than the one from Truth Or Dare (Op2). I just think the visor in Op2 casts too much of a shadow over her face, you really can't see her that well. As for Jonas, while I do like the picture, I think it needs to be recropped. Right now he looks like he doesn't have a neck... it's just not too flattering. Other than that, thumbs up! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 23:37, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

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|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="font-family:Serif;background:#0F4C95;color:#77C8E5;font-size:130%;"|'''''Main characters'''''
|-
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0136-BreeShrugging-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0167-DanielLaughing-Cropped.JPG|100px]]
| style="background:white"|[[Image:0155-JonasAtTheParty-Cropped.jpg|100px]]
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|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Bree|Bree]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Daniel]]'''
|align=center style=background:#0F4C95| '''[[Jonas|Jonas]]'''
|-
|colspan=42 align=center style="background:#f5faff; color:black"|'''Head+neck+shoulders this time. Option 1 for Bree. Couldn't zoom out the other Daniel pic, but here is another one of him laughing.'''
|-
|}[[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 13:24, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
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:Perfect! Love the picture of Daniel in the big Mexican hat! He's smiling so big! [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:33, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:: I agree, lets go live with it tonight, if we don't have any objections -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:31, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

::I have got to say that those pics are great (especially Daniel's LOL) Though I must say I will kinda miss that classic "Jonas smile." -- [[User:Phoenician|Phoenician]]

== Alex to migrate to main page? ==

I know this has already been debated, but I think that Alex should be moved to the Main Page very soon.
Some people have said she shouldn't because she's not a blogger like Bree, Daniel, Gemma and Jonas; I still consider her a main character. No one ever really said that all main characters have to be bloggers...

No i don't believe that she should, Because the main characters on the main page, are in all or most of the videos and shes not in that many, I think that it would just be safe to keep her in the supporting characters section, unless she becomes a character that should be put on the main page.

But thats my personal opinion.

--[[User:Michiev|Michiev]]

Well, I say we should give it another two or three weeks, ''then'' decide.
--[[User:XAccordianGuyx|XAccordianGuyx]]
: In my opinion we should change the title from "Main Charcters" to "Bloggers" to try and avoid this confussion, because you can argue forever as to what constitutes a main character, as seen above in the "Gemma" section, with people thinking Bree's Parents should be in there. I think we should go down the route of simplicity and have it as bloggers, since these are the charcters we are connected to, since we see it through there point of view. Just my opinion. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:22, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:: in my opinion, there are no "bloggers" anymore. the "Blogs" have just become plot points, which are posted as episodes of the lonelygirl15 series, under the lonelygirl15 productions' account on revver and youtube-[[User:Misty|Misty]] 18:34, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
:::It's true that they are not blogs in the traditional sense (hehe, it's funny using the word traditional about blogs, anyway back to my point) but I cannot think of a better word. Thinking about it "Episodes of the lonelygirl15 series" is all they ever have been, done in blog form or not. Anyway I think that Alex should not be there, and the title should be changed to Bloggers, since the Teen Angst Adventure Gang are still the only individuals who post videos (the order and all it's factions discounted) and they are the people who give us the plot, Aunt Alex is part of the plot but BDJ ''are'' the plot. Anyway just my opinions, apologies for the long and ramblingness of them. [[User:Coffeeaddict|Coffeeaddict]] 18:58, 6 April 2007 (CDT)
::::I think that if Alex is the topic of another post or two, then she should be added to the list of main characters.--[[User:Malan89|Malan89]] 11:03, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::Lets see if Alex goes with them, when they leave mexico, if she does, then I agree, put her on the front page -[[User:Misty|Misty]] 15:34, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign

2007-03-22T01:18:09Z

12.218.155.57: /* Alternate montage table */

==Redesign discussion==
Yikes, that is not working, especially the TOC. I think floating it is not a good idea. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 19:18, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
:The TOC is temporary until Owen added the necessary CSS to get [[Template:HoverTOC]] working. Pretending the TOC isn't there, what doesn't work?
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:36, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

::Other than that, I'd say it looks pretty good. The only suggestion I'd offer is a slight one: in the section that pops up, could you make the text wrap around the picture instead of the picture hanging on the left side with a bunch of white space? That ought to be an easy fix, and would make the look more in line with the main page style, perhaps. Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention before: the background blue is not a perfect match with your banner, but that also ought to be an easy fix. (Edit again to add: Oops, no it seems to be a faint gray line in the graphic; was that intentional?) '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 20:18, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Actually, that was the original setting, and I consciously coded it to not do that anymore - it looked like [expletive deleted]. Keep in mind that, with the TOC gone, the text has twice as much room to expand; also, in my tests, it was mostly a single line ending up below the image, which was why it looked so bad. That is not a ''no'', more of a request to postpone the decision until the TOC is gone and/or more descriptions were added, so you can see the text flowing without restrictions.
:::[REMOVED - Owen added the code in the meantime]
:::The blue, well...are you looking through IE? 'cause on FF, at least on my screen, it's a perfect match. Although I did see in IE what you mean, there's no way around this...the color will always be off for someone. The color I chose, however, is the one told to me by Photoshop when I color-picked the large blue area in the graphic.
:::The "grey line" is part of the original LG15 header graphic, while the part below is just plain blue...a small part is kinda conflicting there. So no, it's not intentional, I just hoped nobody would notice :P I'll fix it as the last thing. (Remind me of it.)
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 20:41, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::::P.S.: Waaaaah! Evil editing conflicts! Sudden edits mid-edit!
::::P.P.S.: Don't interpret my reply as an unwillingness to change anything...I'm just trying to explain ''why'' I did it the way I did it.

:::::I don't see the difference in the colors... [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 21:17, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:::I just re-uploaded the header image, and while I did get rid of the "grey line", I accidently included a that darn star in the image...since it took me several looks to actually realize it was there, I assume it doesn't particularly destroy the image, but I'd still like know what you guys think...keep or kill?
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:41, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::The colors actually looked fine on my work computer, it was an optical illusion caused by the grey line. However, on my home computer, the page looks awful, and I don't know why. It's possible it has something to do with my dialup connection in an odd way. (You know, compressed graphics or who knows what?) '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 22:44, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::: It looks great in Firefox, but is hurting in my IE. Does ''anyone'' have safari? I have no access to server log information, but we should have a proportional number on Macs. And a photoshop tip: the coloring should be an easy fix -- in photoshop, don't use the color pick, but manually set that background color to #134b9c and then instead of saving the way you regularly do, you need to hit "save for web". This is how we made it so the images on the main page don't mismatch. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 23:42, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::::I didn't set the background color in photoshop at all...I just looked at it via color pick in order to set it as a bg color for the table (iow, I selected it once and copy-pasted the hex value). And I actually saved it with indexed colors, so I'm confident the colors got preserved correctly. (Which is kinda proven by the fact that both image and background match on FF.) Thank you anyway :)
:::::::Going back to earlier issues, how do you guys like the page as a whole and the slide out divs now that the TOC is out of the picture? And what about the star? Should I leave it in or not?
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 23:51, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::::: If it works on the Main Page I'm unsure why you think it's impossible for it to work here. And yeah, IE sucks, but it's what most people use, so we can't go to an option that doesn't load well or color match in IE. This redesign right now is def better in Firefox, but worse in IE. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:00, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::::: if you look at the recent discussion on the main page the images there are set to #0F4C95, which OwenIsCool said he is going to make the official blue background color. For consistency that should be the color here too. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 01:14, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::::::Changed it...but now the color is off in both browsers. (And that's actually not true - the color used on the main page, at least right now, is #194B95)
:::::::::@JayHenry: After telling you for an hour how much sh*t "Safe for Web" is and how it's nothing but a front end for Index Colors for those too afraid to touch that "technical looking" option in the edit before, I just proved and disproved myself at the same time: Looks like the first color in the index isn't necessarily the main color, so that part of my rant is void - however, the main color chosen by Safe for Web is...''exactly the same as before''. So, while Safe for Web doesn't automatically f*ck up the colors as I assumed (although I did find the slide to do that), it doesn't do anything I didn't do myself before, and it will not fix the situation.
:::::::::In addition, it seems like the only "safe for web" color in that range is #003399, so not even that colorspace is available as a fallback.
:::::::::So...how about whoever saved the images on the main page grabs my header and saves it for web? Maybe that helps?
::::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 08:33, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I sampled the color, and I came up with #0e4093, but when I tested it, although it looked better, it was not a match in Firefox. IE looks good though. I guess there is an issue of browser dependency. (Oh, and Renegade? Yes, I am, and I don't even follow OpAphid, so go figure.) '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 14:26, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

:Since #194B95 from the main page magically seems to work, I'll try and see if I can give the header a nudge to use that as the base color, and then set the page to use that. Kinda sucks, but if the sheeple insist on using IE -_-
:But...'''what about the damn star?''' Keep or kill? (Why is everybody ignoring that question?)
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:24, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
PLEASE EVERYONE READ THE COLOR DISCUSSION ON THE MAIN PAGE TALK. OwnenIsCool wants to have Official standardized colors, but currently there is too much difference in the color of different image files. The Images have to be standardized first, then we an match the HTML colors to it. If we solve the pronblem for the main page before trying to get the colors to "look right" here then maybe guys like renagade won't have to waste there effort getting it to match only to have to change it later to the OFFICIAL colors [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:48, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I have seen the color discussion, at least the table - point is, not only does the official color proclaimed in that table divert from the one actually used on the main page, but it actually, plain and simply, isn't the one used in the official lonelygirl15 flower background - at least not the one I downloaded. And given the fact that, at least under Firefox, both my header and the table background matched perfectly, I am inclined to believe that my color picking was correct, and the problem is merely Internet Explorer's inability to interpret hex colors correctly.
:iow: Standards are a nice thing - but if they're wrong, they help no one. Your approach itself is wrong: There's no need to standardize the images ''first'', then base the HTML on that. The original header image has a certain set of colors. I suggest a bunch of other people just downloads the header directly from lonelygirl15.com, and they all color-pick various parts of the image. Then we can compare. We ''should'' all have the same values, and can then base all future images and HTML on that. Instant standard - "the colors used in the original header". If and image doesn't meet the original colors, do to wrong color reduction, the image is off, and has to be fixed - not the HTML. All ''I'' know, for now, is: Photoshop showed #134b9c for the base color, and Firefox's interpretation of #134b9c matches perfectly (on multiple machines, apparently). That all points to #134b9c being the correct base color. And I'd rather go with the correct color than a wrongly standardized one. Unfortunately, on Planet Microsoft, color codes don't mean jacksh.., and #194b95 (the one from the main page) seems to be the only one looking the same in both browsers.

:'''·bling·...IDEA. Unrelated, but it just hit me: Apparently, IE renders HTML colors differently then the ones saved in images, right? So if everything else fails, I could just re-code the borders as table-cells, and make the background a 1x1px png with the correct color!''' That way, we'll have images next to images, and they'll all be rendered the same way!
:~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:43, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I think we are actually saying the same thing, the images do need to be fixed, so that the edge pixels are the same on all the images that blend into the background. On the main page i started the discussion from a sample of an edge pixle of Leftcorner.png and just assumed that everything matched that (#0F4C95), but later I found out that other images had differeng shades of blue. when you got #134b9c were you sampling an edge pixel or a pixel from the middle? [[User:Misty|Misty]] 23:10, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Several places in the middle of the large blue area to the right.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:22, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== photo montage ==

I think the photo montage would be better if we used tables, and had them lined up, rather than spacing them with tags and staggering them. What does everyone else think? [[User:Misty|Misty]] 21:56, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:I actually just copied the one from the normal list..it was no special design decision on my part. A table should work just as well, although I'd suggest making it two and generating an offset again...I kinda like that effect.
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:43, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

== expanding scroll to top ==

I noticed that with Safari, and Camino that when you expand a Video entry, it scrolls it to the top of the screen. This didn't happen with the examples on the template page. is this happening on other browswers, and is it supposed to happen? Personally, I don't like it, and think it would be better if it just expanded where it was and only scrolled up to prevent going off the bottom of the screen. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 22:03, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
:It didn't do that with the examples because, unless you're running 640x480 or something, the page is not long enough to move the examples to the top. It boils down to the same as before: This is the way this solution works, because it's more or less and abuse of standard links. Prettier solutions ''are'' possible, but afaik, they all include JavaScript - making it necessary to hard-edit the template, and forcing all users to have JavaScript enabled (especially on Internet Explorer, that's usually not advised). If you do find a tutorial for a script-less solution, I'll be happy to implement it, but until then, this is the only thing I can offer. :/
::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 22:43, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

== Fixed? ==

I believe the colors are fixed. There's probably a slight appearance of different hues, but this should be an optical illusion created by the flowers that are cut off in the image. Part of the problem in IE was that there were actually two different background colors. The table for the images on the left and the images on the right both specified that other background color and for some reason, IE was having trouble resolving that difference. Anyway, it's now fixed super close to #194B95 and should display correctly in any browser. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 00:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:: The edge of the image is #1a4b97, and you still have a mixture of #0F4C95 and #194B95, so it can't be fixed. But why bother trying to "fix" it until all the images are fixed, and there is consensus on what color it should be. [[User:Misty|Misty]] 00:40, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::: Okay, I put everything into #1a4b97 ... I don't see any reason to worry about these shades beyond making sure that a page is consistent with itself. The main page is displaying fine for everyone, this page is displaying fine for everyone. Problem solved, IMO. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 01:26, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Great! The corners are still off, but barely noticable in FF. Great job! Thank you :)
::::I'll convert the montage to tables then, add another round of video infos, and fix the corners. Was there anything else that needed to be fixed?
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 09:22, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::::: I didn't even notice the corners until you said that. They're actually a little image file in the corner of the box, huh? Is there any way that someone with IE can see the table of contents? And look, I'm not a big defender of IE or something, but our responsibility is to LG fans, not Mozilla. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 10:16, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::I know, I know...I didn't realize IE doesn't even support :hover until it didn't work -_- I'll see what other options there are.
::::::I re-uploaded the corners, however, while they fit perfectly again in Firefox, they are, for some reason, off in IE...again. -_- They definitely use #1a4b97 (as proven by the fit on FF), so I have no idea wtf is going on...the only thing I could imagine is that IE interprets the palette differently, but then the image would be destroyed as a whole, not just slightly darker...
::::::What concerns me even more is that, for some reason, the corners are not actually in the corners anymore in IE. They worked fine yesterday. I'll have to look into that.
::::::sigh...I f*cking hate it to destroy a perfectly fine webdesign just to support Microsofts broken piece of cr*p.
:::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 10:38, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::::::(Whoops, edit conflict, I guess you got there ahead of me...) There are a few things wrong in IE, but rather than explain, here's a piece of a screenshot: 
[[Image:ListRedesignIE1.jpg]] 
It's spaced wrong on the bottom, too. (And that grayishness around the "LG" is just a picture compression artifact, not an actual page problem.) I'm far more concerned about the spacing than the slight color difference. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:41, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

As I suspected, the problem is that it's centering vertically, and the size is different on IE than on FF. Putting "valign=center" takes away the problem on the top, but makes it worse on the bottom. Still This leads me to think that there is bound to be a simple fix for the problem. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:46, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ignoring the issues of this page for a moment to illustrate, here's the bottom of the official list in IE: 
[[Image:ListAlignIE.jpg]] 
:and in FF: 
[[Image:ListAlignFF.jpg]] 
There seems to be a difference in the way the text is displayed that causes the end of the page to be off by quite a bit between browsers. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 10:57, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::'''EDITING CONFLICT...again. Here's what I said before you illustrated:'''
::Bah. I think the problem is the way I implemented the montage - I used borders to space the images. I assume IE is unable to understand that the space generated by the borders is part of the absolute height of the page, and assumes the cell with the list is actually 100% big, while it isn't. I'll re-implement the spacing through actual table cells, and see if things improve.
::Did I mention I hate IE?
:::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:03, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

:::As for killing Bill Gates -- the LGPedia's own [[Brian Flemming]] once made a film on this exact topic: [http://www.nothingsostrange.com/the_film/ Nothing So Strange]. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 11:12, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

:::: I really think the image spacing is fine, and it's the text spacing that is causing the problem. And when are we getting back to the TOC problem? As it now stands, the TOC is unreadable. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 11:16, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::Changed the space implementation, same problem. The destruction happened in the revision where I turned the montage into a table, so I guess that's the problem. I'll see if explicitly setting width and height to 100% or something helps.
:::::As for the TOC...that's currently kaputt anyway, because ''someone'' is poking the CSS.
::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 11:28, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::'''FIXED.''' After being half-way through a re-write of the entire layout, I found a way force the layout down IE's throat. The content starts a little lower in IE, and IE's corners are darker, but apart from that, the designs are equal now - at least on my machine, through FF 1.5.0.11 and IE 6.0.
:::::::It looks fine now on both my FF and IE7. I also see darker corners in IE, but it's not that noticeable. If anyone complains we'll suggest they try FF. After all, if the little dark corners bother them so much, it's less work for them to install FF than it is for us to get this page working perfectly on IE. Oh, and in case anyone is even remotely considering IE7... just say no. I was actually on IE6 until Microsoft pushed the IE7 dl, and then well... I had enough and switched to FF. And it's been glorious. =)
:::::::[[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:24, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

== Alternate montage table ==

I made an alternate to the current mntage that I think looks better, to see it go to the history and click on
# 18:10, 21 March 2007 Misty (Talk | contribs) (Alternate montage table)
:I'm obviously a fan of the staggered look, but I would prefer if we were to do it that way that all the pictures would be sized the same. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 14:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::I think the staggered table looks more decorative, whereas the alternate table looks like, well, a table. I would go with the staggered one. I do have a question though, can we fill in the space in the left column (of the staggered table) with a picture? now that the "List of videos" header isn't there, the empty space looks kind of awkward. [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 14:19, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I like the staggered look better as well, for the same reason as Owen.
:::I agree the ex-logo-space looks kinda empty now, but that wasn't exactly my priority in the past few hours -_-
:::I'm open to suggestions, but I can't be arsed to think about it myself right now.
::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 15:04, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::::: What about putting the TOC where the ex logo used to be? We could also chop out the image from Danielbeast if we needed to. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 16:03, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::Hmmm, I think the TOC might be too big. Jay, why chop out the Danielbeast image? Wouldn't that make the empty space even bigger? Ohhhhh never mind. You were suggesting we chop it out to make room for the TOC. Stupid Owen. Yeah that could work. Alternatively, is there some way we could nudge up the Danielbeast image a little to make the empty space less gaping? [[User:OwenIsCool|OwenIsCool]] 16:24, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

:::Before we try to move the table of contents, I thought I would try just adding an image, so I put Pmonkey in there [[User:Misty|Misty]] 16:48, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::::I moved the TOC to the montage, and P. Monkey looks good next to it...unfortunately, the left montage-column is too long now, and I didn't want to decide what to kick or reorder...could you have a look at it?
:::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 17:35, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::: If you put the TOC there it will be a problem as it keeps growing. I expanded the table of contents in a version fount in the history:
::::::* 22:43, 21 March 2007 Misty (Talk | contribs) (problem as TOC will Keep growing)

:::::::I rather doubt the TOC will ever grow twice the size in one revision...and one additional image in the right column should be enough to make up for three new TOC entries. (And since three new TOC entries imply about 15 new episodes, there's reason enough to add a few new images to the montage.)
::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 18:02, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::::: the balance of images between the left and right is only one issue, theres also how it looks to have a long TOC in that column . Also there will be big differences in how everything lines up depending on the Font and Fontsize people use in their browsers [[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 18:32, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:::::::::Well, the TOC will have to be somewhere...and that is the first solution that looks good, doesn't push the content down, and works on all browsers.
:::::::::As usual, I'm open to suggestions, but I think this is the most practical solution...
:::::::::~ [[User:Renegade|Renegade]] ([[User talk:Renegade|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Renegade|contribs]]) 19:03, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

::::::::::I like the TOC where it is right now. Looks good. --[[User:JayHenry|JayHenry]] 20:07, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
::::::::::: Ok if we have the TOC here then there will need to be someone contantly adjusting the Images to make sure they stay in alternating sequnce as the TOC grows. Unless the consensus is that order doesn't reallly matter. one question though, do we really need a TOC? [[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 20:18, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

LG15 Spin-offs

2007-03-22T00:27:33Z

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{{Cleanup}}
==Fan Interaction Through Viewer-Created Videos==

According to their post on November 24, 2006 on the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum| lonelygirl15 message forum], the [[the creators]] of [[Lonelygirl15 (production)|lonelygirl15]] explained to viewers the various ways to interact with their story. Along with viewers' ability to use the official forum to discuss the plot and characters with each other and post questions, comments and suggestions to the characters via the character interaction section of the forum, the creators emboldened fans to "[c]reate your own characters and storylines within the [[Breeniverse]]." The post goes on to explain that once fans create such videos, this work can be submitted "as 'Video Comments' to a video we produce." Fans were encouraged to "Give [[Bree]] or [[Daniel]] advice. Create your own story (like [[LordGreystoke422]]) or make parody videos (like [[LonesomeOctober]])...you are only limited by your creativity." Many fans took up this challenge and began creating their own response videos. These fan-created videos are diverse in content, genre and production values.

Members of the official forum were given a section in which to discuss these fan-created works. Some of the comments about these fan creations range from praise to criticism to lengthy discussions to occasional speculation about whether or not a video response is connected to the official story. One example of such speculation surrounding an official connection to the lg15 story has revolved around the video responses of [[Nikki Bower]], whose investigative report videos have been set in many of the same locations as [[canon]] videos. This speculation could be due to the fact that two official characters, [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]], were introduced to the audience in videoblogs under the guise of fan responses. Once Gemma and Jonas were acknowledged by Bree in her videoblog, these two characters were understood to be an official part of the Breeniverse. Speculation about other videos revolved around the fan spin-off [[OpAphid]], which became the official [[Alternate Reality Game| ARG]] of the lonelygirl15 series. OpAphid is unique in the fact that it was not created by the lg15 production team, but was rather incorporated into the series. According to a post made on November 24, 2006 on the official forum, the creators stated that OpAphid "was a 100% fan created ARG. We liked it so much that we decided to contact the creator and make it the official LG15 ARG."

In this November 24th post, the creators continue with the following statements: "We can't wait to see what other characters and storylines you guys come up with. Your creativity and passion is truly amazing." The producers of the lonelygirl15 saga are generally encouraging of fan-created materials, although they are careful not respond to, comment on or endorse these videos. Fan creations uploaded to users' [[Revver]] accounts can appear on the main page of the [http://lonelygirl15.com Tribute to Lonelygirl15 site] in a column next to the most recent lonelygirl15 video. Although referred to as "Fan Creations and Spin-offs" on the official forum, they are sometimes referred to by some viewers as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_fiction Fan Fiction], although this term is generally used to describe written works by fans regarding an original story. This genre of fan-created video fiction is still developing and has yet to be named or specifically defined within the lexicon of fan-created endeavors.

==Characters and series==

{| width=100% border=1
|- bgcolor=#CCCCCC
! Character
! Media Type
! Genre
! Origin Universe
! Subject Universe
! Description
|-
| [[ApotheosisAZ]]
| Video
| Comedy
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| A person of the highest ethical order, submits insane satire and zaniness.
|-
| [[User:Brucker|Brucker]]
| Video
| Commentary/Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Offers common-sense safety tips to the lg15 bloggers. He may be a member of
the Order.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=CassieIsSilent CassieIsSilent]
| Video
| Puzzle
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
| [[cassieiswatching]]
| Video
| Drama
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
| Quickly rose to infamy by posting videos implying she was the
[[Cassie]] that Bree had briefly discussed with Daniel. One of the most popular
early fan series, cassieiswatching spawned many spin-offs of its own.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cassieiswatching222 cassieiswatching222]
| Video
| Puzzle
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cassieseesall cassieseesall]
| Video
| Puzzle
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
| [[Colbertnationgirl]]
| Video
| Comedy
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Colbertnationgirl's motto is "LonelyCracks Anonymous, Helping you first!"
|
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/ReporteroR CS]
| Video
| Translation
| Ours
| Breeniverse
| Lonelygirl15 videos [[LG15 in Spanish|translated to Spanish]]/videos
de Lonelygirl15 traducidos a Español.
|-
| [[The Deacons (commenter)]]
| Comments
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts on the comments board of the LG15 website as the higher-ups
from [[the Order]], giving Bree advice and warnings and often beseeching her to
return to them.
|-
| [[Deemontreal]]
| Video
| Music Videos
| Ours
| Various
| A musician who created a music video tribute to lonelygirl15
|-
| [[dehteraew]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| dehteraew or "We Are The D," accounts for a member of
[[OpAphid]] now on the run from them.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=etchings Etchings]
| Video
| Drama
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
| Videos of a stalker hunting prey.
|-
| [[Facility J]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| A fan-created ARG series discussing "the J19." Secrets
are revealed to be related to [[OpAphid]]'s genetic engineering research.
|-
| [[Frankiswaking]]
| Video
| Drama
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=GrandfatherBones GrandfatherBones]
| Video
| VBlog
| ?
| Various
| A spinoff of Zarbod in which Death himself is disappointed that Daniel was not
bludgeoned by a Hobo for his shoes at the appropriate time.
|-
| [[GuillotineCalamity]]
| Video
| Puzzle
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=itrog itrog]
| Video
| Vlog
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
| [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]]
| Video
| Drama/Puzzle
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| A participatory online pursuit for the gifted homeschooler focused on structure,
philosophy and lessons inspired by the events in Bree's life.
|-
| [[Immant]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| A reformist doctor who serves as [[the Order]]'s Minister of Information,
uses his videos to share minimal information with the public about the Order's
history and intentions.
|-
| [[Iris2009]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Offers his advice to Bree, Daniel and Jonas while he is on the run.
|-
| [[itscassie]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts dark videos as [[Cassie]] locked in [[the Order]]'s secret,
undisclosed compound.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=xItsMx ItsM]
| Video
| Commentary
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts videos that revolve around uncovering the identity of [[Tachyon]]
as well as others containing puzzles to be solved by the viewer.
|-
|
[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=TheLadyLazarus TheLadyLazarus]
| Video
| Puzzle
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
| [[Epic Movie|Lonelygirl362436]]
| Video
| Comedy
| Alternate Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Carmen Electra blogs a spoof of lg15 from the creators of [[Epic
Movie]].
|-
| [[LonesomeOctober]]
| Video
| Comedy
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts in-character video responses as [[Purple Monkey]] and [[Owen]].
|-
| [[LordGreystoke422]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
CassieWorld
| Posts videos that revolve around his pursuit by mysterious people
who may or may not be related to [[OpAphid]] and [[the Order]]. In addition, he
offers help and support to Bree and Daniel.
|-
| [[Maccaboy17]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts videos that revolve around investigating and fighting the Order's presence
in the United Kingdom.
|-
| [[Marbella]]
| Video
| Comedy/Commentary
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts a wide variety of video responses. Some are parodies. Others are fan videos.
Dr. Marbella has a DSAVM. That's a doctorate in stuffed animal veterinary medicine.
All of her videos are WAY far out~but FUN!
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MintGurl MintGurl]
| Video
| Comedy and Commentary
| Ours
| Breeniverse
CassieWorld
|
|-
| mossymansions
| Video
| Music Videos
| Ours
| Various
| A fan who wrote and recorded a song entitled "Lonely Girl 15" about
Bree's adventures and posted it on YouTube.
|-
| [[MsBlackBetty]]
| Video
| Vlog
|
Ours
| Various
| The winner of the Miss HorrorFest 2007 title, that did a lonelygirl15 parody
video.
|-
| [[N3ural N3t]]
| Video
| Correspondance
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| A support network made up of individuals dedicated to providing research and
support to those fighting against the Order.
|-
| [[Nikki Bower]]
| Video
| Faux Documentary
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Posts many on-location videos as an investigative reporter on the trail of lonelygirl15.
|-
| [[NillaWafers]]
| Video
| Vlog
| Ours
| Breeniverse
CassieWorld
|
|-
| [[Orange Slurpee]]
| Wiki Article
| Comedy (Humor)
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| The history behind the theory of orange as a device that foreshadows
and symbolizes evil and the implication that drinking an Orange Slurpee signals
an allegiance to [[the Order]].
|-
| [[Paulmark18|Paul and Andrea]]
| Video
| VLog
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Post videos as [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]], the unseen friends of
Daniel who have been mentioned in several early lonelygirl15 videos.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PhillFlash PhillFlash]
| Video
| VLog
| Ours
| Various
| A YouTube user who has spoof series of many popular YouTube series, including
a series in which he plays Bree's dad.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RickKnowsWhy RickKnowsWhy]
| Video
| Drama
| CassieWorld
| CassieWorld
|
|-
| [[scdgoofy]]
| Video
| Vlog
| Ours
| CassieWorld
|
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SACREDfilms Students of Anchor Cove Rallying to Eliminate Degeneracy]
| Video
| Educational
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| A series of satirical videos, often with clips from black and white 1950s morality-film
strips, "to help Bree and all decent girls navigate the trappings of the
modern age."
|-
|
[[sarahsnotebook]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Claims to have escaped The Order 15 years ago. Her videos chronicle her traumatic memories of the ceremony and express her wish to help Bree.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LG15curiousGeorge Simian Liberation Front]
| Video
| Commentary
| Alternate
Breeniverse
| Alternate
Breeniverse
| A YouTube user who claims to represent a group of monkeys interested simian
rights, beer drinking and fighting Spelling issues.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LPD60OdL0 The Story of Purple Monkey]
| Video
| Parody
| Alternate
Breeniverse
| Alternate
Breeniverse
| A trailer for a movie starring Bree as the villain who abuses P. Monkey.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tigerlilylynn TigerlilyLynn]
| Video
| Documentary
| Ours
| Breeniverse
| YouTube fan account recapping the ARG Puzzles and drops.
|-
| [[Tannhaus]]
| Video
| VBlog
| Ours
| Various
| Posts a video series known as ''A Thelemite Speaks.''
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TitoHandyman TitoHandyman]
| Video
| VLog
| Ours
| Breeniverse
| Chronicles his attempts to establish a beehive in responses to Bree's videos.
|-
| [[the 707 clique]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| He drank an orange slurpee and turned evil, posts videos about his adventures
working for the Order.
|-
| [[TWJaniak]]
| Video
| VLog
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Has occasionally shared his advice with Bree and Daniel, in addition to other
responses to events in the world of lonelygirl15.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=watchingOpAphid WatchingOpAphid]
| Video
| Documentary
| Ours
| Breeniverse
| YouTube fan account attempting to keep track of all [[OpAphid]]-related
posts.
|-
| [[Xeniph]]
| Video
| Drama
| Breeniverse
| Breeniverse
| Claims to have met Bree at Camp. She posts as the daughter of someone who works
with the Elders (although the exact work relationship has never been described).
She gives Bree advice, but she has troubles of her own.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/user/yourmomissmarmy YourMomIsSmarmy]
| Video
| Comedy
| Ours
| Various
| YouTube user that made a parody video of LG15.
|-
|
[http://www.youtube.com/user/Zarbod Zarbod]
| Video
| Comedy
| ?
| Breeniverse
| An extraterrestrial on YouTube who has a crush on Bree.
|}

[[Category: Fan fiction]]

LG15 Spin-offs

2007-03-22T00:22:44Z

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==Fan Interaction Through Viewer-Created Videos==

According to their post on November 24, 2006 on the [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum| lonelygirl15 message forum], the [[the creators]] of [[Lonelygirl15 (production)|lonelygirl15]] explained to viewers the various ways to interact with their story. Along with viewers' ability to use the official forum to discuss the plot and characters with each other and post questions, comments and suggestions to the characters via the character interaction section of the forum, the creators emboldened fans to "[c]reate your own characters and storylines within the [[Breeniverse]]." The post goes on to explain that once fans create such videos, this work can be submitted "as 'Video Comments' to a video we produce." Fans were encouraged to "Give [[Bree]] or [[Daniel]] advice. Create your own story (like [[LordGreystoke422]]) or make parody videos (like [[LonesomeOctober]])...you are only limited by your creativity." Many fans took up this challenge and began creating their own response videos. These fan-created videos are diverse in content, genre and production values.

Members of the official forum were given a section in which to discuss these fan-created works. Some of the comments about these fan creations range from praise to criticism to lengthy discussions to occasional speculation about whether or not a video response is connected to the official story. One example of such speculation surrounding an official connection to the lg15 story has revolved around the video responses of [[Nikki Bower]], whose investigative report videos have been set in many of the same locations as [[canon]] videos. This speculation could be due to the fact that two official characters, [[Gemma]] and [[Jonas]], were introduced to the audience in videoblogs under the guise of fan responses. Once Gemma and Jonas were acknowledged by Bree in her videoblog, these two characters were understood to be an official part of the Breeniverse. Speculation about other videos revolved around the fan spin-off [[OpAphid]], which became the official [[Alternate Reality Game| ARG]] of the lonelygirl15 series. OpAphid is unique in the fact that it was not created by the lg15 production team, but was rather incorporated into the series. According to a post made on November 24, 2006 on the official forum, the creators stated that OpAphid "was a 100% fan created ARG. We liked it so much that we decided to contact the creator and make it the official LG15 ARG."

In this November 24th post, the creators continue with the following statements: "We can't wait to see what other characters and storylines you guys come up with. Your creativity and passion is truly amazing." The producers of the lonelygirl15 saga are generally encouraging of fan-created materials, although they are careful not respond to, comment on or endorse these videos. Fan creations uploaded to users' [[Revver]] accounts can appear on the main page of the [http://lonelygirl15.com Tribute to Lonelygirl15 site] in a column next to the most recent lonelygirl15 video. Although referred to as "Fan Creations and Spin-offs" on the official forum, they are sometimes referred to by some viewers as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_fiction Fan Fiction], although this term is generally used to describe written works by fans regarding an original story. This genre of fan-created video fiction is still developing and has yet to be named or specifically defined within the lexicon of fan-created endeavors.

==Characters and series==

{| width=100% border=1 
|- bgcolor=#CCCCCC 
! Character 
! Media Type 
! Genre 
! Origin Universe 
! Subject Universe 
! Description 
|- 
| [[ApotheosisAZ]] 
| Video 
| Comedy 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| A person of the highest ethical order, submits insane satire and zaniness. 
|- 
| [[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 
| Video 
| Commentary/Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Offers common-sense safety tips to the lg15 bloggers. He may be a member of
the Order. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=CassieIsSilent CassieIsSilent] 
| Video 
| Puzzle 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| [[cassieiswatching]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
| Quickly rose to infamy by posting videos implying she was the
[[Cassie]] that Bree had briefly discussed with Daniel. One of the most popular
early fan series, cassieiswatching spawned many spin-offs of its own. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cassieiswatching222 cassieiswatching222] 
| Video 
| Puzzle 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=cassieseesall cassieseesall] 
| Video 
| Puzzle 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| [[Colbertnationgirl]] 
| Video 
| Comedy 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Colbertnationgirl's motto is "LonelyCracks Anonymous, Helping you first!" 
|
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/ReporteroR CS] 
| Video 
| Translation 
| Ours 
| Breeniverse 
| Lonelygirl15 videos [[LG15 in Spanish|translated to Spanish]]/videos
de Lonelygirl15 traducidos a Español. 
|- 
| [[The Deacons (commenter)]] 
| Comments 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts on the comments board of the LG15 website as the higher-ups
from [[the Order]], giving Bree advice and warnings and often beseeching her to
return to them. 
|- 
| [[Deemontreal]] 
| Video 
| Music Videos 
| Ours 
| Various 
| A musician who created a music video tribute to lonelygirl15 
|- 
| [[dehteraew]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| dehteraew or "We Are The D," accounts for a member of
[[OpAphid]] now on the run from them. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=etchings Etchings] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
| Videos of a stalker hunting prey. 
|- 
| [[Facility J]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| A fan-created ARG series discussing "the J19." Secrets
are revealed to be related to [[OpAphid]]'s genetic engineering research. 
|- 
| [[Frankiswaking]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=GrandfatherBones GrandfatherBones] 
| Video 
| VBlog 
| ? 
| Various 
| A spinoff of Zarbod in which Death himself is disappointed that Daniel was not
bludgeoned by a Hobo for his shoes at the appropriate time. 
|- 
| [[GuillotineCalamity]] 
| Video 
| Puzzle 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=itrog itrog] 
| Video 
| Vlog 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| [[The Homeschoolers Aggregate]] 
| Video 
| Drama/Puzzle 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| A participatory online pursuit for the gifted homeschooler focused on structure,
philosophy and lessons inspired by the events in Bree's life. 
|- 
| [[Immant]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| A reformist doctor who serves as [[the Order]]'s Minister of Information,
uses his videos to share minimal information with the public about the Order's
history and intentions. 
|- 
| [[Iris2009]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Offers his advice to Bree, Daniel and Jonas while he is on the run. 
|- 
| [[itscassie]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts dark videos as [[Cassie]] locked in [[the Order]]'s secret,
undisclosed compound. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=xItsMx ItsM] 
| Video 
| Commentary 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts videos that revolve around uncovering the identity of [[Tachyon]]
as well as others containing puzzles to be solved by the viewer. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=TheLadyLazarus TheLadyLazarus] 
| Video 
| Puzzle 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| [[Epic Movie|Lonelygirl362436]] 
| Video 
| Comedy 
| Alternate Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Carmen Electra blogs a spoof of lg15 from the creators of [[Epic
Movie]]. 
|- 
| [[LonesomeOctober]] 
| Video 
| Comedy 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts in-character video responses as [[Purple Monkey]] and [[Owen]]. 
|- 
| [[LordGreystoke422]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse
CassieWorld 
| Posts videos that revolve around his pursuit by mysterious people
who may or may not be related to [[OpAphid]] and [[the Order]]. In addition, he
offers help and support to Bree and Daniel. 
|- 
| [[Maccaboy17]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts videos that revolve around investigating and fighting the Order's presence
in the United Kingdom. 
|- 
| [[Marbella]] 
| Video 
| Comedy/Commentary 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts a wide variety of video responses. Some are parodies. Others are fan videos.
Dr. Marbella has a DSAVM. That's a doctorate in stuffed animal veterinary medicine.
All of her videos are WAY far out~but FUN! 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=MintGurl MintGurl] 
| Video 
| Comedy and Commentary 
| Ours 
| Breeniverse
CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| mossymansions 
| Video 
| Music Videos 
| Ours 
| Various 
| A fan who wrote and recorded a song entitled "Lonely Girl 15" about
Bree's adventures and posted it on YouTube. 
|- 
| [[MsBlackBetty]] 
| Video 
| Vlog 
| 
Ours 
| Various 
| The winner of the Miss HorrorFest 2007 title, that did a lonelygirl15 parody
video. 
|- 
| [[N3ural N3t]] 
| Video 
| Correspondance 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| A support network made up of individuals dedicated to providing research and
support to those fighting against the Order. 
|- 
| [[Nikki Bower]] 
| Video 
| Faux Documentary 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Posts many on-location videos as an investigative reporter on the trail of lonelygirl15. 
|- 
| [[NillaWafers]] 
| Video 
| Vlog 
| Ours 
| Breeniverse
CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| [[Orange Slurpee]] 
| Wiki Article 
| Comedy (Humor) 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| The history behind the theory of orange as a device that foreshadows
and symbolizes evil and the implication that drinking an Orange Slurpee signals
an allegiance to [[the Order]]. 
|- 
| [[Paulmark18|Paul and Andrea]] 
| Video 
| VLog 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Post videos as [[Paul]] and [[Andrea]], the unseen friends of
Daniel who have been mentioned in several early lonelygirl15 videos. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=PhillFlash PhillFlash] 
| Video 
| VLog 
| Ours 
| Various 
| A YouTube user who has spoof series of many popular YouTube series, including
a series in which he plays Bree's dad. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=RickKnowsWhy RickKnowsWhy] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| CassieWorld 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| [[scdgoofy]] 
| Video 
| Vlog 
| Ours 
| CassieWorld 
|
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=SACREDfilms Students of Anchor Cove Rallying to Eliminate Degeneracy] 
| Video 
| Educational 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| A series of satirical videos, often with clips from black and white 1950s morality-film
strips, "to help Bree and all decent girls navigate the trappings of the
modern age." 
|- 
| 
[[sarahsnotebook]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Claims to have escaped The Order 15 years ago. Her videos chronicle her traumatic memories of the ceremony and express her wish to help Bree. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=LG15curiousGeorge Simian Liberation Front] 
| Video 
| Commentary 
| Alternate
Breeniverse 
| Alternate
Breeniverse 
| A YouTube user who claims to represent a group of monkeys interested simian
rights, beer drinking and fighting Spelling issues. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LPD60OdL0 The Story of Purple Monkey] 
| Video 
| Parody 
| Alternate
Breeniverse 
| Alternate
Breeniverse 
| A trailer for a movie starring Bree as the villain who abuses P. Monkey. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=tigerlilylynn TigerlilyLynn] 
| Video 
| Documentary 
| Ours 
| Breeniverse 
| YouTube fan account recapping the ARG Puzzles and drops. 
|- 
| [[Tannhaus]] 
| Video 
| VBlog 
| Ours 
| Various 
| Posts a video series known as ''A Thelemite Speaks.'' 
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| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TitoHandyman TitoHandyman] 
| Video 
| VLog 
| Ours 
| Breeniverse 
| Chronicles his attempts to establish a beehive in responses to Bree's videos. 
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| [[the 707 clique]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| He drank an orange slurpee and turned evil, posts videos about his adventures
working for the Order. 
|- 
| [[TWJaniak]] 
| Video 
| VLog 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Has occasionally shared his advice with Bree and Daniel, in addition to other
responses to events in the world of lonelygirl15. 
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| 
[http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=watchingOpAphid WatchingOpAphid] 
| Video 
| Documentary 
| Ours 
| Breeniverse 
| YouTube fan account attempting to keep track of all [[OpAphid]]-related
posts. 
|- 
| [[Xeniph]] 
| Video 
| Drama 
| Breeniverse 
| Breeniverse 
| Claims to have met Bree at Camp. She posts as the daughter of someone who works
with the Elders (although the exact work relationship has never been described).
She gives Bree advice, but she has troubles of her own. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/user/yourmomissmarmy YourMomIsSmarmy] 
| Video 
| Comedy 
| Ours 
| Various 
| YouTube user that made a parody video of LG15. 
|- 
| 
[http://www.youtube.com/user/Zarbod Zarbod] 
| Video 
| Comedy 
| ? 
| Breeniverse 
| An extraterrestrial on YouTube who has a crush on Bree. 
|}

[[Category: Fan fiction]]

Talk:List of Lonelygirl15 videos/redesign

2007-03-21T23:32:32Z

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Lonelygirl15 The Story So Far...

2007-03-17T21:29:20Z

12.218.155.57: removed addition of redundant section

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==Who is lonelygirl15?==
On May 24, 2006 the world was touched by a sweet young girl experiencing the troubles of everyday life, but it turned out to be something more than that. The truth about lonelygirl15's life was told, and the world was captivated...

[[Bree|Lonelygirl15]], a.k.a. Bree, is an intelligent, yet awkward and geeky teenager. Raised in a strict, isolated household, she lacks many of the social skills possessed by her peers. She does not go out with friends much, and spends much of her time reading or playing juvenile games, such as interacting with her three stuffed animals, [[Thor]] the bear, [[Owen]] the Turtle, and [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]]. Bree is home schooled, and she and her parents have moved around a lot, which has limited her social experiences and has left her without any true friends. For a short while she attended high school, but the social pressures, teasing and her lack of experience proved too overwhelming for her to bear. However, she did leave her short stint in public high school with one friend, [[Daniel]].

==Her Beginning==
In June of 2006, Bree bought a webcam and began posting on [[YouTube]]. At first, she posted simple, silly clips of her and her stuffed animals, which she explains were edited by a friend. Later on, however, she opened up to the audience and began sharing more and more about herself, her life, religion and troubles. [[My Parents Suck...|Bree explains]] that her religion often prevents her from doing normal, teenage activities. Along the way, [[The Danielbeast|she introduces Daniel (as DanielBeast)]], her best and only ''real'' friend. Although he just sits on the bed and reads magazines most of the time, he occasionally participates in her clips, such as their spoof of each other, "[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]".

Daniel and Bree spend more and more time together, [[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!|going on hikes]], [[Swimming!|swimming]] or just sitting in her bedroom. Bree's father asks Daniel to film Bree's play for her annual religious summer camp. Daniel refuses, and [[What Bree's Dad Said...|Bree's father reacts negatively]], straining her friendship with Daniel. Afterwards, tears are shed and angry words are exchanged between the friends. Daniel [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)|posts a video]] explaining how he intends to attend her play, though not to film it, much to the surprise and happiness of Bree. Having gotten over the first hurdle in their public relationship, Bree excitedly shares that she has been chosen to participate in a sacred ceremony for her religion. Bree does not share many details about this religion except to say that she is truly committed to her faith.

==Her Rebellion==
Daniel [[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!|invites Bree to a party]], something she has never experienced, and with people she only met during her short time in public education (and who also [[Poor Pluto|teased her]] for her intellectual curiosity in science class). Her parents forbid her to go, but Bree [[I'm Going to the Party!|decides to sneak out anyway]]. Much to her dismay, her father is waiting for her when she gets home. She is promptly placed under "[[House Arrest|house arrest]]," and her father forbids her to see Daniel anymore. After this first rebellious act against her parents, it seems as if Bree has become addicted to sneaking out, or perhaps she just relishes her newfound freedom. Daniel invites her on various "dates" and Bree is confused about teen love. She's never had a boyfriend before, and obviously never experienced a kiss, so Daniel's desire to be something more than friends befuddles her, especially when [[My First Kiss|he kisses her]] at another party.

==Her Religion==
In the video [[A Change In My Life]], Bree sheds some light on the ceremony for which she has been chosen to participate. For the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]], she has to learn [[Enochian|a new language]], go on a special diet, learn special steps, take [[iron pills|iron supplements]] and receive weekly [[Bree's injections|injections]].

Although Bree promises to have a dinner with Daniel, she realizes that she has to attend an annual [[Fall Equinox]] ceremony for [[Bree's religion|her religion]]. Again, her mysterious religion tears Daniel and Bree apart. She decides that her religion is more important to her than her only friend. She gains a "[[My Helper|helper]]" whose role is to assist her in preparing for the upcoming ceremony. She is already studying hard, dieting, taking pills and receiving mysterious shots. Nevertheless, she enjoys this new female friend. Daniel, still angry, [[Where Are They Going?|follows Bree and her helper]], [[Lucy]], in order to figure out the woman's purpose and motives. Bree sees the videoblog of Daniel following her and is upset. She tells Daniel via [[Daniel Crossed The Line|videoblog]] to leave her alone and stop following her. She also warns him about the power of those in her religious order. Daniel ignores her and begins to become alarmed by the extent to which her religion affects events in Bree's life.

==Her Ceremony==
Daniel finds inconclusive, yet disturbing stories about a man associated with Bree's religion, [[Aleister Crowley]]. He follows Bree and her helper yet again and in a secluded, wooded area stumbles upon the ceremony. As Daniel [[The Ceremony|films part of the secret ritual]], he notices that he is being watched. Fleeing through the darkness, he escapes into his car before being caught. After that, he follows Bree's helper Lucy to her apartment and waits until she leaves, [[Following The Helper|breaking in]] and finding pictures on Lucy's computer of himself videotaping the ceremony, along with maps of locations in Texas, Arizona, California, Alaska and Alberta, Canada. Shaken and paranoid, Daniel is convinced that Bree's "cult," as he calls it, is following him as he followed them. Bree hears of this and becomes extremely worried about Daniel's safety. So he goes "underground," staying at a friend's home to hide from the cult. Daniel calls Bree, finding out that under the instruction of Lucy and other cult members [[I Lied To Daniel|Bree has lied]] to him about the ceremony, which was faked. As it turns out, Bree knows very little about purpose and date of the ''actual'' ceremony. Furthermore, Bree's father seems to have little information about the injections he was giving to her. Bree realizes that Lucy will not answer any of Bree's questions. With Daniel's encouragement, Bree decides not to participate in the ceremony, and her parents surprisingly support her decision. Meanwhile, Bree is contacted by [[Gemma]], an old friend, who warns her of the power and influence of [[The Order|the "Order"]]. This prompts Bree to reunite with Daniel at his house.

==Her Getaway==
While at Daniel's house, [[Still At Daniel's|Bree's parents contact her]] to tell her that she should sleep at Daniel's for the night, an extreme contrast to the conservative parents Bree has known. A few days later, Bree and Daniel, both worried, decide to return to her home after receiving no responses to their numerous phone calls. Upon arriving at the house, and from within the safety of Daniel's car [[On The Run|they witness her parents leaving]] with Lucy and a man from the ceremony. Once the car drives off, the two enter Bree's house to examine the scene. Hidden inside the P. Monkey puppet, Bree finds a note and some money left by her parents. The note advises her to stay with Daniel. Daniel and Bree worry about whether or not Daniel's house is a safe location. They make the decision to run away. They sleep in the car for a few days before settling in to a [[The motel|motel]]. Bree seems to be her usual silly self, but [[Someone's Following You|Gemma warns her]] that she is being followed by a "[[Watcher]]", a member of the Order who is stalking them. They both flee again, finding [[The second motel|another motel]]. [[Silent Treatment|Daniel is upset with Bree]] for not taking the situation seriously.

==Her New Friend==
Bree is left a video comment by [[Jonas]], who wishes Lonelygirl and Danielbeast a [[Happy Thanksgiving]]. He does not give out much background information about himself, and says only that his parents mysteriously disappeared while sailing six years ago, and expresses his sympathy for Bree, a fellow "orphan". Meanwhile, Daniel and Bree return to their motel room to find it [[Ransacked!|ransacked]]. With all of their money stolen, and now having only the small amount left that Daniel is carrying, and they flee once again. Daniel becomes increasingly aggravated and wants to go back home, but Bree is not convinced that they are safe. Bree receives a vblog from Gemma who fears she too is being followed by a Watcher. [[Scared To Go Home|Scared to go home]], Gemma hides out at a friend's home, noticeably distressed, much like Daniel when he realized he was being followed. The situation for Bree and Daniel grows increasingly worse when Daniel is informed by someone named [[Tachyon]] that his car is bugged with a tracking device. Deciding that the safest choice is to [[Homeless|abandon the car]], the now-homeless couple has to resort to dumpster diving for food and a dirty abandoned warehouse for shelter. In November 28th online chat session, it is suggested that Bree and Daniel accept the help of Jonas, who is apparently rich, unemployed and lives alone in a large house. However, Daniel and Gemma are not convinced. Bree [[Your Decision|chooses to stay with Jonas]], but Daniel decides to [[Back Home|return home]].

==Her Betrayal==
Jonas posts [[Tough Cookie|a video claiming that Gemma was lying]] about being in London; apparently she is in California and still active in the Order. This, along with Daniel's abandonment of her, drives Bree to sulk for several days. Meanwhile, Daniel decides to go [[Back At Bree's|back to Bree's house]] and investigate, finding evidence that leads him to [[Breaking And Entering|break into a pharmaceutical warehouse]]. Bree decides to take action herself and begins by [[Bree Phone Home|calling her friends and family]] to see if anyone has had contact with her parents. She initially seems to find no helpful information, but in a call to an uncle, receives a coded message from her father, indicating that he is okay and requesting that she meet him. She reminisces about her old friend [[Cassie]] with whom Bree made some prank phone calls during their brief friendship. By the time she finishes making her calls, Bree concludes that the "Gemma Incident" is good reason to avoid contact with those in "The Community."

==Her Reunion==
On Christmas Day, much to Bree's [[Christmas Surprise|surprise]] and elation, Daniel arrives at Jonas's house. However, on the following day, Jonas and Daniel wake to find that [[Bree's Gone|Bree is gone]] along with Jonas's car, one of his credit cards, and some of his cash. Daniel decides to examine Bree's recent videos more closely to find an explanation of her disappearance, and realizes that she has been communicating with her father in code, and has gone to meet with him. Jonas and Daniel [[Roadtrip|try to track down Bree]] and eventually find her meeting with her father. The Order suddenly appears and [[The Unthinkable Happened|shoots Bree's dad]], while Bree escapes with the boys. Bree spends several days depressed, while Daniel and Jonas each try to cheer her up.

==Her Rejection==
Daniel posts a video annoucing that he "[[Bree And I Hooked Up|hooked up]]" with Bree. Jonas is [[Kicked Out|kicked out]] of his own house when Daniel makes a special candle light dinner for Bree, but it apparently doesn't go well.

Bree posts a video saying [[Daniel's A Liar|Daniel has lied]], and she just kissed him in a act of impulse and there is nothing more to it. Daniel is so upset that he leaves the next day and [[Truth Or Dare|gets drunk at a local bowling alley]]. Jonas picks up Daniel, who is too drunk to drive himself home. Daniel is accompanied by a nameless young woman ([[Katherine McPhee]] in a cameo appearance), who hangs out with Bree and Jonas while Daniel sleeps off the liquor. Daniel wakes up the next morning with a terrible [[hungover|hangover]]. Since Bree is frustrated by the antics of Jonas and Daniel, she decides to think about [[Time To Grow Up|career plans]] and her need for privacy. Meanwhile, Daniel states that he will no longer pursue Bree, choosing to spend his time [[Foosball Battle|playing foosball with Jonas]] and giving Bree space. Daniel decides to go [[For The Ladies|back to the bowling alley]] to look for the unnamed young woman, or someone else to replace Bree.

==Her Hunt for Daniel==
When Daniel does not return from the bowling alley, Bree posts a video sharing [[Daniel's Missing!|her concern for his safety]], as no one has heard from him. Bree confesses that she still wants him in her life, though she does not want a romantic relationship. Jonas and Bree [[Looking For Daniel|go to the bowling alley]] to look for him. Bree receives a cryptic text message from Daniel that says 'No good' but does not state his location. Jonas talks with a bartender who saw Daniel leave with a local man, so they head for the man's house "in the mountains". It gets late and they still haven't found the "local" man's house, so they [[Sleepover|stop at a motel]], where they are forced to share a bed, to Jonas's discomfort. A couple of days later, Daniel posts a strange video [[Miss Me?|trying to persuade Bree to rejoin the Order]]. Assuming Daniel has been coerced or brainwashed, Bree posts a video [[Me For Daniel|offering to do the ceremony if Daniel is released]]. When it comes time to [[The Human Ransom|trade herself]] for Daniel, they all escape the Order with the help of Tachyon. Bree [[Rescuing Daniel|sums up what she can]] about Tachyon and [[OpAphid]], an organization closely affiliated with the Order who has been posting videos for some time, expressing that she wishes to more actively oppose the Order.

==Her Getaway, Part 2==
Jonas [[Valentine's Day Massacre|declares]] that he too is sick of running and wants to fight the Order. A few days later, Daniel sees a Watcher in their driveway. Jonas walks out to confront the Watcher and has a brief scuffle, but the Watcher backs off when Bree jumps in front of Jonas. The three [[Yellow Snow|run to Jonas's parents' cabin in the mountains]]. When they arrive, [[Snow Angels|Bree and Jonas go on a hike]] and search the area without Daniel. [[Jonas Sucks|This angers Daniel]] as he is convinced that Jonas is hitting on Bree. They patch things up after Jonas says he has no interest in Bree at all. Daniel finds a package from Tachyon, and he uses it to crack the code on a disk that was left with Bree, which contains [[Semiotics|files on the origin of the Watcher symbol]].

==Her Suspicion of Jonas==
[[How Dumb Am I?|Bree discovers a Watcher symbol]] in Jonas's cabin, and concludes that Jonas is working for the Order, like Gemma. She ties up Jonas to question him, to [[Bree Is Crazy|Daniel's shock]]. After Daniel loosens his bindings [[What The Hell?!??!|Jonas escapes]], taking the car keys with him so that Bree and Daniel can't leave, but not the car itself, as he intends to stay and prove his innocence. Jonas then [[Proving Bree Wrong|breaks into the cabin]] to find evidence that he is not indeed with the Order. He shows Bree and Daniel his evidence and they believe him.

==Her Investigation==
Our intrepid protagonists then [[On The Road Again|head for the coast]] to stay at Jonas's Aunt Alex's house. [[Sorry Jonas|Bree tries to atone for her treatment of Jonas]], but Jonas, still angry, ignores her pleas for forgiveness. [[Flesh Wound|Jonas punctures his hand]] with a screwdriver while trying to break into his aunt's study and Bree takes him to a vet to get the wound stitched up, as she is afraid the Order will track them down if they go to a hospital. The gang then manages to break into Jonas's aunt's study, and finds that [[My Hand Hurts|she has been undertaking a substantial inquiry]] into the organization that Jonas's parents formed as a movement against the Order. [[Aunt Alex|Daniel and Jonas pick up Alex from the Airport]], and Daniel immediately starts hitting on her, despite Jonas's warnings and Alex's saying that she doesn't have the time for a boyfriend.

==Her Training==
Bree has decided to meet up with [[Tachyon]] instead of going to the airport, due to a spat with Jonas. They go to one of Tacyon's secret camps where [[Training Hard|Bree receives "Bad-Ass" training]]. Meanwhile, Daniel and Jonas go to a fashion industry party" with Alex. [[Uncle Dan|At the party]], Daniel hits on Alex, and Jonas gets extremely annoyed. There is a framed photo sitting on a table that appears to be a picture of Alex and Lucy, but neither Daniel nor Jonas seem to take notice of it, even though it is [[Lucy!?!?!|obvious to Bree]], who sees it in the [[Uncle Dan|the video]]. Bree decides that she's going to go back to Daniel and Jonas, even though she thinks it will piss off Tachyon.
[[Category:Breeniverse events]]

Talk:Uncle Dan (D-Bone Remix)

2007-03-17T19:47:18Z

12.218.155.57: /* ... so you can get her nephew... */

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Umm...the second note? "This is the first time that we have seen that matches the ARG ''Parallax'' First time that we have seen what? [[User:Anto687|Anto]] 04:14, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

I tossed out the first note, which was redundant to the description of the video, and hopefully clarified the second note. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 11:40, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

==Damien: Jonas is NOT gay!==
Perhaps that was put in there for all the fans that keep saying Jonas must be gay, but we see that not just Carla but Damien also was hitting on Jonas, and he turned them both down. Jonas isn't gay, he just has some moral principals about such things, I think. Actually of course this doesn't ''prove'' Jonas is not gay, but he did seem far more uncomfortable with Damien's flirting than Carla's. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 11:40, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

== ... so you can get her nephew... ==

This is so weird. I can't decide what it says after that. The first time I heard it, I thought the guy said "so you can get her nephew to leave". Then I realized others were hearing "get his nephew drunk", and here on LGPedia we have "get her nephew's file". I went back and listened to that bit (starts at about 1:30), over and over and there's just too much background noise. Whichever option I try to hear, I hear. Given how hostile that guy was, I'm still leaning towards "get her nephew to leave", but I'm far from sure. Any ideas on how we can clear this up?

:I'm trying to edit out the background noise with not much luck, as I'm not particularly skilled in such things, and I think it's intentionally vague, since the video actually cuts right before Daniel speaks. I hear "...party. So you can talk to Alex, so you can get her nephew's ???..." I hear the word as "phone", but it's really hard to tell. "...get her nephews drunk" sounds more plausible to me based on what I hear, but nothing fully makes sense. '''''-BRUCKER [[Image:EyeBlueSmall.jpg]] ([[User:Brucker|Home]]/[[User talk:Brucker|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Brucker|Contribs]])''''' 17:49, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

::It sounds close to "file" when I manipulate the sound. If I could upload my edited wav file to this page then maybe you could comment on what you hear. Not sure how to... [[User:Psmith|Psmith]] 22:54, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I listened to it over and over using headphones and it was unmistakably "file". [[User:12.218.155.57|12.218.155.57]] 14:47, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Lonelygirl15 The Story So Far...

2007-03-16T01:14:03Z

12.218.155.57:

Special Request from [[The Creators]]:
[[The Creators]] of [[Lonelygirl15 (production)|lonelygirl15]] appreciate all the effort put forth by the fans to make the [[LGPedia]] the trove of LG15 information that it has become. They now charge the LGPedia community with a new mission: to create a '''Story So Far...''' section. In a nutshell, they would like a concise yet comprehensive introduction to LG15 for newbies linked to from the main page. The articles [[Breeniverse Timeline]] and [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree]] can be a starting-off point for this new viewer summary.

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==Who is lonelygirl15?==
On May 24, 2006 the world was touched by a sweet young girl experiencing the troubles of everyday life, but it turned out to be something more than that. The truth about lonelygirl15's life was told, and the world was captivated . . .

[[Bree|Lonelygirl15]], a.k.a. Bree, is an intelligent, yet awkward and geeky teenager. Raised in a strict, isolated household, she lacks many of the social skills possessed by her peers. She does not go out with friends much, and spends much of her time reading or playing juvenile games, such as interacting with her three stuffed animals, [[Thor]] the bear, [[Owen]] the Turtle, and [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]]. Bree is home schooled, and she and her parents have moved around a lot, which has limited her social experiences and has left her without any true friends. For a short while she attended high school, but the social pressures, teasing and her lack of experience proved too overwhelming for her to bear. However, she did leave her short stint in public high school with one friend, [[Daniel]].

==Her Beginning==
In June of 2006, Bree bought a webcam and began posting on [[YouTube]]. At first, she posted simple, silly clips of her and her stuffed animals, which she explains were edited by a friend. Later on, however, she opened up to the audience and began sharing more and more about herself, her life, religion and troubles. [[My Parents Suck...|Bree explains]] that her religion often prevents her from doing normal, teenage activities. Along the way, [[The Danielbeast|she introduces Daniel (as DanielBeast)]], her best and only ''real'' friend. Although he just sits on the bed and reads magazines most of the time, he occasionally participates in her clips, such as their spoof of each other, "[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]".

Daniel and Bree spend more and more time together, [[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!|going on hikes]], [[Swimming!|swimming]] or just sitting in her bedroom. Bree's father asks Daniel to film Bree's play for her annual religious summer camp. Daniel refuses, and [[What Bree's Dad Said...|Bree's father reacts negatively]], straining her friendship with Daniel. Afterwards, tears are shed and angry words are exchanged between the friends. Daniel [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)|posts a video]] explaining how he intends to attend her play, though not to film it, much to the surprise and happiness of Bree. Having gotten over the first hurdle in their public relationship, Bree excitedly shares that she has been chosen to participate in a sacred ceremony for her religion. Bree does not share many details about this religion except to say that she is truly committed to her faith.

==Her Rebellion==
Daniel [[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!|invites Bree to a party]], something she has never experienced, and with people she only met during her short time in public education (and who also [[Poor Pluto|teased her]] for her intellectual curiosity in science class). Her parents forbid her to go, but Bree [[I'm Going to the Party!|decides to sneak out anyway]]. Much to her dismay, her father is waiting for her when she gets home. She is promptly placed under "[[House Arrest|house arrest]]," and her father forbids her to see Daniel anymore. After this first rebellious act against her parents, it seems as if Bree has become addicted to sneaking out, or perhaps she just relishes her newfound freedom. Daniel invites her on various "dates" and Bree is confused about teen love. She's never had a boyfriend before, and obviously never experienced a kiss, so Daniel's desire to be something more than friends befuddles her, especially when [[My First Kiss|he kisses her]] at another party.

==Her Religion==
In the video [[A Change In My Life]], Bree sheds some light on the ceremony for which she has been chosen to participate. For the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]], she has to learn [[Enochian|a new language]], go on a special diet, learn special steps, take [[iron pills|iron supplements]] and receive weekly [[Bree's injections|injections]].

Although Bree promises to have a dinner with Daniel, she realizes that she has to attend an annual [[Fall Equinox]] ceremony for [[Bree's religion|her religion]]. Again, her mysterious religion tears Daniel and Bree apart. She decides that her religion is more important to her than her only friend. She gains a "[[My Helper|helper]]" whose role is to assist her in preparing for the upcoming ceremony. She is already studying hard, dieting, taking pills and receiving mysterious shots. Nevertheless, she enjoys this new female friend. Daniel, still angry, [[Where Are They Going?|follows Bree and her helper]], [[Lucy]], in order to figure out the woman's purpose and motives. Bree sees the videoblog of Daniel following her and is upset. She tells Daniel via [[Daniel Crossed The Line|videoblog]] to leave her alone and stop following her. She also warns him about the power of those in her religious order. Daniel ignores her and begins to become alarmed by the extent to which her religion affects events in Bree's life.

==Her Ceremony==
Daniel finds inconclusive, yet disturbing stories about a man associated with Bree's religion, [[Aleister Crowley]]. He follows Bree and her helper yet again and in a secluded, wooded area stumbles upon the ceremony. As Daniel [[The Ceremony|films part of the secret ritual]], he notices that he is being watched. Fleeing through the darkness, he escapes into his car before being caught. After that, he follows Bree's helper Lucy to her apartment and waits until she leaves, [[Following The Helper|breaking in]] and finding pictures on Lucy's computer of himself videotaping the ceremony, along with maps of locations in Texas, Arizona, California, Alaska and Alberta, Canada. Shaken and paranoid, Daniel is convinced that Bree's "cult," as he calls it, is following him as he followed them. Bree hears of this and becomes extremely worried about Daniel's safety. So he goes "underground," staying at a friend's home to hide from the cult. Daniel calls Bree, finding out that under the instruction of Lucy and other cult members [[I Lied To Daniel|Bree has lied]] to him about the ceremony, which was faked. As it turns out, Bree knows very little about purpose and date of the ''actual'' ceremony. Furthermore, Bree's father seems to have little information about the injections he was giving to her. Bree realizes that Lucy will not answer any of Bree's questions. With Daniel's encouragement, Bree decides not to participate in the ceremony, and her parents surprisingly support her decision. Meanwhile, Bree is contacted by [[Gemma]], an old friend, who warns her of the power and influence of [[The Order|the "Order"]]. This prompts Bree to reunite with Daniel at his house.

==Her Getaway==
While at Daniel's house, [[Still At Daniel's|Bree's parents contact her ]] to tell her that she should sleep at Daniel's for the night, an extreme contrast to the conservative parents Bree has known. A few days later, Bree and Daniel, both worried, decide to return to her home after receiving no responses to their numerous phone calls. Upon arriving at the house, and from within the safety of Daniel's car [[On The Run|they witness her parents leaving]] with Lucy and a man from the ceremony. Once the car drives off, the two enter Bree's house to examine the scene. Hidden inside the P. Monkey puppet, Bree finds a note and some money left by her parents. The note advises her to stay with Daniel. Daniel and Bree worry about whether or not Daniel's house is a safe location. They make the decision to run away. They sleep in the car for a few days before settling in to a [[The motel|motel]]. Bree seems to be her usual silly self, but [[Someone's Following You|Gemma warns her]] that she is being followed by a "[[Watcher]]", a member of the Order who is stalking them. They both flee again, finding [[The second motel|another motel]]. [[Silent Treatment|Daniel is upset with Bree]] for not taking the situation seriously.

==Her New Friend==
Bree is left a video comment by [[Jonas]], who wishes Lonelygirl and Danielbeast a [[Happy Thanksgiving]]. He does not give out much background information about himself, and says only that his parents mysteriously disappeared while sailing six years ago, and expresses his sympathy for Bree, a fellow "orphan". Meanwhile, Daniel and Bree return to their motel room to find it [[Ransacked!|ransacked]]. With all of their money stolen, and now having only the small amount left that Daniel is carrying, and they flee once again. Daniel becomes increasingly aggravated and wants to go back home, but Bree is not convinced that they are safe. Bree receives a vblog from Gemma who fears she too is being followed by a Watcher. [[Scared To Go Home|Scared to go home]], Gemma hides out at a friend's home, noticeably distressed, much like Daniel when he realized he was being followed. The situation for Bree and Daniel grows increasingly worse when Daniel is informed by someone named [[Tachyon]] that his car is bugged with a tracking device. Deciding that the safest choice is to [[Homeless|abandon the car]], the now-homeless couple has to resort to dumpster diving for food and a dirty abandoned warehouse for shelter. In November 28th online chat session, it is suggested that Bree and Daniel accept the help of Jonas, who is apparently rich, unemployed and lives alone in a large house. However, Daniel and Gemma are not convinced. Bree [[Your Decision|chooses to stay with Jonas]], but Daniel decides to [[Back Home|return home]].

==Her Betrayal==
Jonas posts [[Tough Cookie|a video claiming that Gemma was lying]] about being in London; apparently she is in California and still active in the Order. This, along with Daniel's abandonment of her, drives Bree to sulk for several days. Meanwhile, Daniel decides to go [[Back At Bree's|back to Bree's house]] and investigate, finding evidence that leads him to [[Breaking And Entering|break into a pharmaceutical warehouse]]. Bree decides to take action herself and begins by [[Bree Phone Home|calling her friends and family]] to see if anyone has had contact with her parents. She initially seems to find no helpful information, but in a call to an uncle, receives a coded message from her father, indicating that he is okay and requesting that she meet him. She reminisces about her old friend [[Cassie]] with whom Bree made some prank phone calls during their brief friendship. By the time she finishes making her calls, Bree concludes that the "Gemma Incident" is good reason to avoid contact with those in "The Community."

==Her Reunion==
On Christmas Day, much to Bree's [[Christmas Surprise|surprise]] and elation, Daniel arrives at Jonas's house. However, on the following day, Jonas and Daniel wake to find that [[Bree's Gone|Bree is gone]] along with Jonas's car, one of his credit cards, and some of his cash. Daniel decides to examine Bree's recent videos more closely to find an explanation of her disappearance, and realizes that she has been communicating with her father in code, and has gone to meet with him. Jonas and Daniel [[Roadtrip|try to track down Bree]] and eventually find her meeting with her father. The the Order suddenly appears and [[The Unthinkable Happened|shoots Bree's dad]], while Bree escapes with the boys. Bree spends several days depressed, while Daniel and Jonas each try to cheer her up.

==More Boy Troubles==
Daniel posts a video annoucing that he "[[Bree And I Hooked Up|hooked up]]" with Bree. Jonas is [[Kicked Out|kicked out]] of his own house when Daniel makes a special candle light dinner for Bree, but it apparently doesn't go well.

Bree posts a video saying [[Daniel’s A Liar|Daniel has lied]], and she just kissed him in a act of impulse and there is nothing more to it. Daniel is so upset that he leaves the next day and [[Truth Or Dare|gets drunk]]. Jonas picks up Daniel, who is too drunk to drive himself home, from the bar. Daniel is accompanied by a nameless young woman (Katherine McPhee in a cameo appearance), who hangs out with Bree and Jonas while Daniel sleeps off the liquor. Daniel wakes up the next morning with a terrible [[hungover|hangover]]. Since Bree is frustrated by the antics of Jonas and Daniel, she decides to think about [[Time To Grow Up|career plans]] and her need for privacy. Meanwhile, Daniel states that he will no longer pursue Bree, choosing to spend his time [[Foosball Battle|playing foosball with Jonas]] and giving Bree space. Daniel decides to go [[For The Ladies|back to the bowling alley]] to look for the unnamed young woman, or someone else to replace Bree.

==Daniel's Disappearance ==
When Daniel does not return from the bowling alley, Bree posts a video sharing [[Daniel's Missing!|her concern for his safety]], as no one has heard from him. Bree confesses that she still wants him in her life, thoguh she does not want a romantic relationship. Jonas and Bree [[Looking For Daniel|go to the bowling alley]] to look for him. Bree receives a cryptic text message from Daniel that says 'No Good' but does not state his location. Jonas talks with a bartender who saw Daniel leave with a local man, so they head for the man's house "in the mountains". It gets late and they still haven't found the "local" man's house, so they [[Sleepover|stop at a motel]], where they are forced to share a bed, to Jonas's discomfort. A couple of days later, Daniel posts a video [[Miss Me?|trying to persuade Bree to rejoin the Order]]. Assuming Daniel has been coerced or brainwashed, Bree posts a video [[Me For Daniel|offering to do the ceremony if Daniel is released]]. When it comes time to [[The Human Ransom|trade herself]] for Daniel, they escape with Daniel with the help of [[Tachyon]]. Daniel has no memory of being a captive. They return to Jonas's house, but know now that the Order is aware of their location, and Jonas' house is no longer safe. They need to think of a plan of action.

==Her Getaway Part 2, and Tensions with Jonas==
Jonas [[Valentine's Day Massacre|declares]] that he is sick of running and wants to fight the Order. A few days later, Daniel sees a Watcher in their driveway. Jonas walks out to confront the Watcher and has a brief scuffle, but the Watcher backs off when Bree jumps in front of Jonas. The three [[Yellow Snow|run to Jonas's parents' cabin in the mountains.]]

When they arrive, [[Snow Angels|Bree and Jonas go on a hike]] and search the area without Daniel. [[Jonas Sucks|This angers Daniel]] as he is convinced that Jonas is hitting on Bree. They patch things up after Jonas says he has no interest in Bree at all.

Daniel finds a package from [[Tachyon]], and he uses it to crack the code on Bree's disk, which contains [[Semiotics|files on the origin of the Watcher symbol]].

[[How Dumb Am I?|Bree discovers a Watcher symbol]] in Jonas's cabin, and concludes that Jonas is working for the Order, like Gemma. She ties Jonas up to question him, to [[Bree Is Crazy|Daniel's shock]]. After Daniel loosens his bindings [[What The Hell?!??!|Jonas escapes]], taking the car keys with him so that Bree and Daniel can't leave, but not the car itself, as he intends to stay and prove his innocence. Jonas then [[Proving Bree Wrong|breaks into the cabin]] to find evidence that he is not indeed with the Order. He shows Bree and Daniel his evidence and they believe him.

==Beach==
Our intrepid protagonists then head for the coast to stay at Jonas's Aunt Alex's house. Bree tries to atone for her treatment of Jonas, but Jonas, still angry, ignores her pleas for forgiveness. Meanwhile, Daniel retreats to the dunes to mull over his life choices and get hot under the collar when musing about Jonas's hot aunt. Jonas punctures his hand with a screwdriver while trying to break into his aunt's study and Bree takes him to a vet to get the wound stitched up, as she is afraid the Order will track them down if they go to a hospital.

The gang then manages to break into Jonas's aunt's study, and finds that she has been undertaking a substantial inquiry into the organization that Jonas's parents formed as a movement against [[The Order]]. Daniel and Jonas pick up Alex from the Airport, and Daniel immediately starts hitting on her, despite Jonas' warnings and Alex's saying that she doesn't have the time for a boyfriend.

Bree has decided to meet up with Tachyon instead of going to the airport, due to a spat with Jonas. They go to one of Tacyon's secret camps where Bree recieves "Bad-Ass" training.

Daniel An Jonas go to a fashion party with Alex, at the party Daniel hits on alex, and Jonas get's extremely annoyed. There is a framed Photo sitting on the table, that appears to be a picture of Alex and Lucy, but neither Daniel nor Jonas seem to take notice of it.

[[Category:Breeniverse events]]

Lonelygirl15 The Story So Far...

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Special Request from [[The Creators]]:
[[The Creators]] of [[Lonelygirl15 (production)|lonelygirl15]] appreciate all the effort put forth by the fans to make the [[LGPedia]] the trove of LG15 information that it has become. They now charge the LGPedia community with a new mission: to create a '''Story So Far...''' section. In a nutshell, they would like a concise yet comprehensive introduction to LG15 for newbies linked to from the main page. The articles [[Breeniverse Timeline]] and [[Down The Rabbit Hole: The Hunt For Bree]] can be a starting-off point for this new viewer summary.

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==Who is lonelygirl15?==
On May 24, 2006 the world was touched by a sweet young girl experiencing the troubles of everyday life, but it turned out to be something more than that. The truth about lonelygirl15's life was told, and the world was captivated . . .

[[Bree|Lonelygirl15]], a.k.a. Bree, is an intelligent, yet awkward and geeky teenager. Raised in a strict, isolated household, she lacks many of the social skills possessed by her peers. She does not go out with friends much, and spends much of her time reading or playing juvenile games, such as interacting with her three stuffed animals, [[Thor]] the bear, [[Owen]] the Turtle, and [[Purple Monkey|P. Monkey]]. Bree is home schooled, and she and her parents have moved around a lot, which has limited her social experiences and has left her without any true friends. For a short while she attended high school, but the social pressures, teasing and her lack of experience proved too overwhelming for her to bear. However, she did leave her short stint in public high school with one friend, [[Daniel]].

==Her Beginning==
In June of 2006, Bree bought a webcam and began posting on [[YouTube]]. At first, she posted simple, silly clips of her and her stuffed animals, which she explains were edited by a friend. Later on, however, she opened up to the audience and began sharing more and more about herself, her life, religion and troubles. [[My Parents Suck...|Bree explains]] that her religion often prevents her from doing normal, teenage activities. Along the way, [[The Danielbeast|she introduces Daniel (as DanielBeast)]], her best and only ''real'' friend. Although he just sits on the bed and reads magazines most of the time, he occasionally participates in her clips, such as their spoof of each other, "[[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]]".

Daniel and Bree spend more and more time together, [[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!|going on hikes]], [[Swimming!|swimming]] or just sitting in her bedroom. Bree's father asks Daniel to film Bree's play for her annual religious summer camp. Daniel refuses, and [[What Bree's Dad Said...|Bree's father reacts negatively]], straining her friendship with Daniel. Afterwards, tears are shed and angry words are exchanged between the friends. Daniel [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)|posts a video]] explaining how he intends to attend her play, though not to film it, much to the surprise and happiness of Bree. Having gotten over the first hurdle in their public relationship, Bree excitedly shares that she has been chosen to participate in a sacred ceremony for her religion. Bree does not share many details about this religion except to say that she is truly committed to her faith.

==Her Rebellion==
Daniel [[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!|invites Bree to a party]], something she has never experienced, and with people she only met during her short time in public education (and who also [[Poor Pluto|teased her]] for her intellectual curiosity in science class). Her parents forbid her to go, but Bree [[I'm Going to the Party!|decides to sneak out anyway]]. Much to her dismay, her father is waiting for her when she gets home. She is promptly placed under "[[House Arrest|house arrest]]," and her father forbids her to see Daniel anymore. After this first rebellious act against her parents, it seems as if Bree has become addicted to sneaking out, or perhaps she just relishes her newfound freedom. Daniel invites her on various "dates" and Bree is confused about teen love. She's never had a boyfriend before, and obviously never experienced a kiss, so Daniel's desire to be something more than friends befuddles her, especially when [[My First Kiss|he kisses her]] at another party.

==Her Religion==
In the video [[A Change In My Life]], Bree sheds some light on the ceremony for which she has been chosen to participate. For the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]], she has to learn [[Enochian|a new language]], go on a special diet, learn special steps, take [[iron pills|iron supplements]] and receive weekly [[Bree's injections|injections]].

Although Bree promises to have a dinner with Daniel, she realizes that she has to attend an annual [[Fall Equinox]] ceremony for [[Bree's religion|her religion]]. Again, her mysterious religion tears Daniel and Bree apart. She decides that her religion is more important to her than her only friend. She gains a "[[My Helper|helper]]" whose role is to assist her in preparing for the upcoming ceremony. She is already studying hard, dieting, taking pills and receiving mysterious shots. Nevertheless, she enjoys this new female friend. Daniel, still angry, [[Where Are They Going?|follows Bree and her helper]], [[Lucy]], in order to figure out the woman's purpose and motives. Bree sees the videoblog of Daniel following her and is upset. She tells Daniel via [[Daniel Crossed The Line|videoblog]] to leave her alone and stop following her. She also warns him about the power of those in her religious order. Daniel ignores her and begins to become alarmed by the extent to which her religion affects events in Bree's life.

==Her Ceremony==
Daniel finds inconclusive, yet disturbing stories about a man associated with Bree's religion, [[Aleister Crowley]]. He follows Bree and her helper yet again and in a secluded, wooded area stumbles upon the ceremony. As Daniel [[The Ceremony|films part of the secret ritual]], he notices that he is being watched. Fleeing through the darkness, he escapes into his car before being caught. After that, he follows Bree's helper Lucy to her apartment and waits until she leaves, [[Following The Helper|breaking in]] and finding pictures on Lucy's computer of himself videotaping the ceremony, along with maps of locations in Texas, Arizona, California, Alaska and Alberta, Canada. Shaken and paranoid, Daniel is convinced that Bree's "cult," as he calls it, is following him as he followed them. Bree hears of this and becomes extremely worried about Daniel's safety. So he goes "underground," staying at a friend's home to hide from the cult. Daniel calls Bree, finding out that under the instruction of Lucy and other cult members [[I Lied To Daniel|Bree has lied]] to him about the ceremony, which was faked. As it turns out, Bree knows very little about purpose and date of the ''actual'' ceremony. Furthermore, Bree's father seems to have little information about the injections he was giving to her. Bree realizes that Lucy will not answer any of Bree's questions. With Daniel's encouragement, Bree decides not to participate in the ceremony, and her parents surprisingly support her decision. Meanwhile, Bree is contacted by [[Gemma]], an old friend, who warns her of the power and influence of [[The Order|the "Order"]]. This prompts Bree to reunite with Daniel at his house.

==Her Getaway==
While at Daniel's house, [[Still At Daniel's|Bree's parents contact her ]] to tell her that she should sleep at Daniel's for the night, an extreme contrast to the conservative parents Bree has known. A few days later, Bree and Daniel, both worried, decide to return to her home after receiving no responses to their numerous phone calls. Upon arriving at the house, and from within the safety of Daniel's car [[On The Run|they witness her parents leaving]] with Lucy and a man from the ceremony. Once the car drives off, the two enter Bree's house to examine the scene. Hidden inside the P. Monkey puppet, Bree finds a note and some money left by her parents. The note advises her to stay with Daniel. Daniel and Bree worry about whether or not Daniel's house is a safe location. They make the decision to run away. They sleep in the car for a few days before settling in to a [[The motel|motel]]. Bree seems to be her usual silly self, but [[Someone's Following You|Gemma warns her]] that she is being followed by a "[[Watcher]]", a member of the Order who is stalking them. They both flee again, finding [[The second motel|another motel]]. [[Silent Treatment|Daniel is upset with Bree]] for not taking the situation seriously.

==Her New Friend==
Bree is left a video comment by [[Jonas]], who wishes Lonelygirl and Danielbeast a [[Happy Thanksgiving]]. He does not give out much background information about himself, and says only that his parents mysteriously disappeared while sailing six years ago, and expresses his sympathy for Bree, a fellow "orphan". Meanwhile, Daniel and Bree return to their motel room to find it [[Ransacked!|ransacked]]. With all of their money stolen, and now having only the small amount left that Daniel is carrying, and they flee once again. Daniel becomes increasingly aggravated and wants to go back home, but Bree is not convinced that they are safe. Bree receives a vblog from Gemma who fears she too is being followed by a Watcher. [[Scared To Go Home|Scared to go home]], Gemma hides out at a friend's home, noticeably distressed, much like Daniel when he realized he was being followed. The situation for Bree and Daniel grows increasingly worse when Daniel is informed by someone named [[Tachyon]] that his car is bugged with a tracking device. Deciding that the safest choice is to [[Homeless|abandon the car]], the now-homeless couple has to resort to dumpster diving for food and a dirty abandoned warehouse for shelter. In November 28th online chat session, it is suggested that Bree and Daniel accept the help of Jonas, who is apparently rich, unemployed and lives alone in a large house. However, Daniel and Gemma are not convinced. Bree [[Your Decision|chooses to stay with Jonas]], but Daniel decides to [[Back Home|return home]].

==Her Betrayal==
Jonas posts [[Tough Cookie|a video claiming that Gemma was lying]] about being in London; apparently she is in California and still active in the Order. This, along with Daniel's abandonment of her, drives Bree to sulk for several days. Meanwhile, Daniel decides to go [[Back At Bree's|back to Bree's house]] and investigate, finding evidence that leads him to [[Breaking And Entering|break into a pharmaceutical warehouse]]. Bree decides to take action herself and begins by [[Bree Phone Home|calling her friends and family]] to see if anyone has had contact with her parents. She initially seems to find no helpful information, but in a call to an uncle, receives a coded message from her father, indicating that he is okay and requesting that she meet him. She reminisces about her old friend [[Cassie]] with whom Bree made some prank phone calls during their brief friendship. By the time she finishes making her calls, Bree concludes that the "Gemma Incident" is good reason to avoid contact with those in "The Community."

==Her Reunion==
On Christmas Day, much to Bree's [[Christmas Surprise|surprise]] and elation, Daniel arrives at Jonas's house. However, on the following day, Jonas and Daniel wake to find that [[Bree's Gone|Bree is gone]] along with Jonas's car, one of his credit cards, and some of his cash. Daniel decides to examine Bree's recent videos more closely to find an explanation of her disappearance, and realizes that she has been communicating with her father in code, and has gone to meet with him. Jonas and Daniel [[Roadtrip|try to track down Bree]] and eventually find her meeting with her father. The the Order suddenly appears and [[The Unthinkable Happened|shoots Bree's dad]], while Bree escapes with the boys. Bree spends several days depressed, while Daniel and Jonas each try to cheer her up.

==More Boy Troubles==
Daniel posts a video annoucing that he "[[Bree And I Hooked Up|hooked up]]" with Bree. Jonas is [[Kicked Out|kicked out]] of his own house when Daniel makes a special candle light dinner for Bree, but it apparently doesn't go well.

Bree posts a video saying [[Daniel’s A Liar|Daniel has lied]], and she just kissed him in a act of impulse and there is nothing more to it. Daniel is so upset that he leaves the next day and [[Truth Or Dare|gets drunk]]. Jonas picks up Daniel, who is too drunk to drive himself home, from the bar. Daniel is accompanied by a nameless young woman (Katherine McPhee in a cameo appearance), who hangs out with Bree and Jonas while Daniel sleeps off the liquor. Daniel wakes up the next morning with a terrible [[hungover|hangover]]. Since Bree is frustrated by the antics of Jonas and Daniel, she decides to think about [[Time To Grow Up|career plans]] and her need for privacy. Meanwhile, Daniel states that he will no longer pursue Bree, choosing to spend his time [[Foosball Battle|playing foosball with Jonas]] and giving Bree space. Daniel decides to go [[For The Ladies|back to the bowling alley]] to look for the unnamed young woman, or someone else to replace Bree.

==Daniel's Disappearance ==
When Daniel does not return from the bowling alley, Bree posts a video sharing [[Daniel's Missing!|her concern for his safety]], as no one has heard from him. Bree confesses that she still wants him in her life, thoguh she does not want a romantic relationship. Jonas and Bree [[Looking For Daniel|go to the bowling alley]] to look for him. Bree receives a cryptic text message from Daniel that says 'No Good' but does not state his location. Jonas talks with a bartender who saw Daniel leave with a local man, so they head for the man's house "in the mountains". It gets late and they still haven't found the "local" man's house, so they [[Sleepover|stop at a motel]], where they are forced to share a bed, to Jonas's discomfort. A couple of days later, Daniel posts a video [[Miss Me?|trying to persuade Bree to rejoin the Order]]. Assuming Daniel has been coerced or brainwashed, Bree posts a video [[Me For Daniel|offering to do the ceremony if Daniel is released]]. When it comes time to [[The Human Ransom|trade herself]] for Daniel, they escape with Daniel with the help of [[Tachyon]]. Daniel has no memory of being a captive. They return to Jonas's house, but know now that the Order is aware of their location, and Jonas' house is no longer safe. They need to think of a plan of action.

==Her Getaway Part 2, and Tensions with Jonas==
Jonas [[Valentine's Day Massacre|declares]] that he is sick of running and wants to fight the Order. A few days later, Daniel sees a Watcher in their driveway. Jonas walks out to confront the Watcher and has a brief scuffle, but the Watcher backs off when Bree jumps in front of Jonas. The three [[Yellow Snow|run to Jonas's parents' cabin in the mountains.]]

When they arrive, [[Snow Angels|Bree and Jonas go on a hike]] and search the area without Daniel. [[Jonas Sucks|This angers Daniel]] as he is convinced that Jonas is hitting on Bree. They patch things up after Jonas says he has no interest in Bree at all.

Daniel finds a package from [[Tachyon]], and he uses it to crack the code on Bree's disk, which contains [[Semiotics|files on the origin of the Watcher symbol]].

[[How Dumb Am I?|Bree discovers a Watcher symbol]] in Jonas's cabin, and concludes that Jonas is working for the Order, like Gemma. She ties Jonas up to question him, to [[Bree Is Crazy|Daniel's shock]]. After Daniel loosens his bindings [[What The Hell?!??!|Jonas escapes]], taking the car keys with him so that Bree and Daniel can't leave, but not the car itself, as he intends to stay and prove his innocence. Jonas then [[Proving Bree Wrong|breaks into the cabin]] to find evidence that he is not indeed with the Order. He shows Bree and Daniel his evidence and they believe him.

==Beach==
Our intrepid protagonists then head for the coast to stay at Jonas's Aunt Alex's house. Bree tries to atone for her treatment of Jonas, but Jonas, still angry, ignores her pleas for forgiveness. Meanwhile, Daniel retreats to the dunes to mull over his life choices and get hot under the collar when musing about Jonas's hot aunt. Jonas punctures his hand with a screwdriver while trying to break into his aunt's study and Bree takes him to a vet to get the wound stitched up, as she is afraid the Order will track them down if they go to a hospital.

The gang then manages to break into Jonas's aunt's study, and finds that she has been undertaking a substantial inquiry into the organization that Jonas's parents formed as a movement against [[The Order]]. Daniel and Jonas pick up Alex from the Airport, and Daniel immediately starts hitting on her, despite Jonas' warnigns and Alex's saying that she doesn't have the time for a boyfriend.

Bree has decided to meet up with Tachyon instead of going to the airport, due to a spat with Jonas. They go to one of Tacyon's secret camps where Bree recieves "Bad-Ass" training

[[Category:Breeniverse events]]

Breeniverse Timeline

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{| class="toc"
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<h2>Contents</h2>

[[#Before_YouTube|1 Before YouTube]]

[[#May_2006|2 May 2006]]

[[#June_2006|3 June 2006]]

[[#July_2006|4 July 2006]]

[[#August_2006|5 August 2006]]

[[#September_2006|6 September 2006]]

[[#October_2006|7 October 2006]]

[[#November_2006|8 November 2006]]

[[#December_2006|9 December 2006]]

[[#January_2007|10 January 2007]]

[[#February_2007|11 February 2007]]
|}

== Before YouTube ==

=== May 25th, 1799 ===
Napoleon's troops, along with artist Vivant Denon reach [[Denderah]]. Denon makes sketches of the Zodiac.

=== October 12th, 1875 ===
[[Aleister Crowley]] is born.

=== 1943 ===
According to Daniel in his video [[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]] a girl is [[1943 abduction|kidnapped]] in Arizona, and Crowley may have been involved.

=== 198? ===
Bree's mother meets Gemma's mother in Edinburgh at university.

Bree's parents meet at a showing of [[Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead]].

=== 1987 ===
Gemma is born

=== 1988 ===
Daniel is born.

=== October 26th, 1989 ===
Bree is born in America.

=== 1994 ===
Bree begins treatment for her lazy eye.

=== 1996 ===
(Approximate time) According to Gemma, a family disappears after their daughter participates in the same ceremony in which Bree is eventually chosen to play part. (Many have speculated this is Tachyon's family)

=== 1998 ===
Bree's family moves to [[New Zealand]], where she briefly goes to a public school for the first time.

=== 2000 ===
Bree's family visits the Northern Territory of Australia.

Jonas's parents are lost at sea in the Pacific Ocean and assumed dead.

=== 2002 ===
Bree's family moves to Nottinghamshire, England, where Bree meets Gemma and befriends her dog.

=== 2004 ===
Bree's family moves back to America, where she meets Daniel and Cassie during a brief stint in public school. Her classmates make fun of her and call her "[[Stargirl]]".

== May 2006 ==
=== May 24th ===
Bree posts the video [[Paytotheorderofofof vs. Dinosaur]].
=== May 26th ===
Bree posts the video [[YouTubers Secret Language]].

== June 2006 ==

Daniel graduates from high school; Bree is not allowed to attend his graduation party.
=== June 16th ===
Bree posts the video [[First Blog / Dorkiness Prevails]] which, as noted in the title, is her first blog.
=== June 18th ===
Bree posts the video [[Purple Monkey (video)|Purple Monkey]], which introduces her beloved puppet.

=== June 21st ===
Bree posts the video [[School Work in Summer... BLECHH!!!]]
=== June 23rd ===
Bree posts the video [[The Danielbeast]], which is our first view of [[Daniel]].
=== June 25th ===
Bree posts the video [[Grillz feat. Danielbeast, LG15, P. Monkey, and O'n.]]

== July 2006 ==
=== July 4th ===
Daniel goes to Bree's house to take her on a hiking trip, but her parents refuse to let her go.
Bree posts the video [[My Parents Suck...]]
=== July 5th ===
Daniel posts the video [[Daniel Responds]].
=== July 7th ===
Bree posts the video [[Daniel Returns, and More Interesting Factoids (Yay!)]].
=== July 9th ===
Bree posts the video [[Proving Science Wrong!]]
=== July 12th ===
Bree and Daniel finally go hiking together.
=== July 13th ===
Bree posts the video [[My Parents... Let Us Go Hiking!!!]]

=== July 16th ===
Bree posts the video [[Boy Problems...]]
=== July 18th ===
Daniel posts the video [[Girl Problems...]] and declares he's not going to talk to Bree for a while.
=== July 20th ===
Bree posts the video [[He Said, She Said]].
=== July 22nd ===
Bree posts the video [[My Lazy Eye (and P. Monkey gets Funky!)]].
=== July 26th ===
Bree posts the video [[Proving Science Wrong... with Lonelybeast and Danielgirl15]].
=== July 29th ===
Bree's dad nearly catches her making a blog entry. He takes Daniel aside for a personal talk in which he asks him for a favor which Daniel denies.

Bree posts the video [[The Tolstoy Principle (and Dad "talks" to Daniel)]].
== August 2006 ==
=== August 3rd ===
Bree posts the video [[Daniel The Neanderthal]].
=== August 6th ===
Bree asks Daniel what he talked to her dad about. Daniel makes Bree upset by trying to light some candles in her room.

Bree posts the video [[What Did Daniel and Dad Talk About?]]
=== August 8th ===
Daniel posts the video [[What Bree's Dad Said...]]
=== August 10th ===
Bree posts the video [[Me, Religion, and Daniel :(]].
=== August 15th ===
Daniel and Bree get in a fight about Bree's religion and Daniel's disrespect of it. They don't talk to each other for over a week after this fight.

Bree posts the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]]
=== August 18th ===
Bree posts the video [[Mysteries of My Past... REVEALED!]]
=== August 20th ===
Bree posts the video [[A Peace Offering (and P. Monkey Boogies)]].
=== August 24th ===
Daniel posts the video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]].

Daniel attends Bree's play and they go on a date.
=== August 25th ===
Bree posts the video [[I'm Really, Really, Really Excited!]]
=== August 28th ===
Daniel takes Bree swimming in the San Gabriel River.
=== August 29th ===
Bree posts the video [[Swimming!]], in which we hear the first mention of [[Cassie]].
=== August 31st ===
Bree and Daniel make cookies.

Bree posts the video [[Bree The Cookie Monster]], possibly with some footage edited in after Daniel leaves.
== September 2006 ==
=== September 3rd ===
Bree posts the video [[A Change In My Life]], in which she tells viewers that her parents have told her she's been chosen to participate in a [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]].

=== September 5th ===
Bree posts the video [[Poor Pluto]].
=== September 7th ===
Daniel posts the video [[I Want to Take Bree to a Party!]]
=== September 8th ===
Bree posts the video [[Should I Or Shouldn't I?]]
=== September 9th ===
Bree posts the video [[I'm Going to the Party!]] and sneaks out with Daniel for the first time. They go to a party where they meet with [[Andrea]] and [[Paul]], who invite them to go out again with them. Later, she is caught by her Dad who grounds her and bans Daniel from the house.
=== September 10th ===
Bree posts the video [[House Arrest]].
=== September 12th? ===
Bree sneaks out to meet with Daniel at a park so they can go bowling with Andrea and Paul. Daniel finds out that Bree is taking iron pills.

=== September 13th ===
Bree posts the video [[In The Park]].
=== September 15th ===
Bree posts the video [[What's A Date?]]

=== September 16th ===

Bree sneaks out to a party with Daniel. They kiss for the first time.

=== September 18th ===

Bree posts the video [[My First Kiss]].

=== September 20th ===

Bree sneaks out to meet Daniel and learn how to drive. They get in a fight over Bree's religion, in which Bree mentions the [[Denderah|Order of Denderah]] for the first time.

Bree posts the video [[Learning To Drive]].

=== September 22nd ===

Bree posts the video [[The Equinox]].

=== September 23rd ===

Bree attends the Equinox celebration with her parents and is introduced to [[Lucy]].

Daniel posts the video [[How Could You?]]

=== September 24th ===

Today, or perhaps the day before, Bree sneaks out to see Daniel and they have a fight. Bree confesses to her parents that she's been sneaking out. Bree and Daniel are no longer speaking to each other.

Bree posts the video [[My Difficult Decision]], claiming it will be her last blog entry.

=== September 27th ===

Lucy is seen by Daniel for the first time as she and Bree go to a park to practice for the ceremony; he posts the video [[Who Is This?]]

=== September 28th ===

Bree posts the video [[My Helper]] in which she asks Daniel not to follow her anymore.

== October 2006 ==
=== October 1st ===

Bree posts the video [[How My Parents Met]].

Bree goes to possibly see a doctor with Lucy, and is followed by Daniel.

Daniel posts the video [[Where Are They Going?]]

=== October 3rd ===

Bree posts the video [[Daniel Crossed The Line]].

=== October 6th ===

Daniel begins to research Bree's religion and posts the video [[Order of Denderah]].

=== October 9th ===

Bree posts the video [[Zodiac of Denderah]].

=== October 11th ===

Daniel posts the video [[Aleister Crowley (Video)|Aleister Crowley]].

Bree posts the video [[The Ceremony Is Tomorrow :)]].

=== October 12th ===

Bree participates in the [[The Ceremony (ritual)|ceremony]]. While Daniel spies on the ceremony, someone takes pictures of him, which he later discovers on Lucy's computer.

Daniel posts the video [[The Ceremony]].

=== October 13th ===

Bree posts the video [[I Completed The Ceremony]].

=== October 15th ===
Daniel follows Lucy to her home and breaks in to discover the pictures of him spying on [[The Ceremony (ritual)|Bree's ritual]].

Daniel posts the video [[Following The Helper]].

=== October 17th ===
After avoiding watching any videos for several days, Bree logs on to watch Daniel's videos [[The Ceremony]] and [[Following The Helper]]. She posts the video [[Daniel, Be Careful...]] in respose to what she sees, hinting that Daniel may be in danger for making those videos.

=== October 19th ===
Bree posts the video [[Where's Daniel?]]

Gemma posts her first video, [[Nut Kills Man]].

===October 20th===
OpAphid posts the video [[Cassie Does Not R.I.P. (Rest In Peace)]].

=== October 21st ===
Daniel posts the video [[I'm Hiding Out]]. Sometime during this weekend, Daniel calls Bree on the phone for the first time in nearly a month.

=== October 22nd ===
Bree posts the video [[I Lied To Daniel]], in which she claims the ceremony on the 12th was fake, and the real ceremony has not yet occurred.

Gemma posts the video [[Living In London]].

=== October 24th ===
Bree goes to Daniel's friend's house to talk to him, and films the video [[I Listened To Daniel]], which she posts later that day.

=== October 25th ===
Bree posts the video [[Hi Gemma!]]

=== October 26th ===
Gemma posts the video [[It's Not Your Decision]].

Bree posts the video [[I Talked To My Parents]].

=== October 28th ===
Daniel comes over to visit Bree and they make the video [[Proving Longitude Wrong]] which Bree posts that evening.

Tachyon posts the video [[URGENT: For My Helper!]].

=== October 29th ===
Bree posts the video [[Thanks Gemma...]]

=== October 31st ===
OpAphid posts the video [[The Action of an Enemy - Be Careful]]. Part of the footage is shot at the park from [[In The Park]].

Gemma posts the video [[They Disappeared...]]

== November 2006 ==
=== November 1st ===
Bree's parents tell her that the deacons refuse to let her get out of performing the ceremony. Bree posts the video [[What Makes Us Sad?]]

=== November 2nd ===
Bree posts the video [[Life's Not Fair]], and goes over to Daniel's house. When she calls her parents, they urge her to stay at his house that night.

=== November 3rd ===
Bree posts the videos [[Still At Daniel's]] and [[Where Are My Parents?]]

Tachyon posts the video [[They Are Still Everywhere]].

=== November 4th ===
Bree's parents are apparently kidnapped by Lucy and a [[Deacon (individual)|Deacon]].

=== November 5th ===
Gemma posts the video [[Horrid Flatmates]].

=== November 7th ===
Bree posts the video [[On The Run]], which explains that Bree and Daniel have been in hiding for several days since witnessing Bree's parents being taken away.

=== November 9th ===
Gemma posts the video [[Learning Egyptian]], expressing her concerns for Bree and gives her thoughts on what she knows about the Order.

=== November 11th ===
Bree posts the video [[Motel Pool]].

Tachyon posts the video [[They Are Watching]].

=== November 13th ===
Gemma posts the video [[Don't Trust The Authorities]].

=== November 14th===
Bree posts the video [[Exploring The Motel]].

=== November 15th ===
Gemma posts the video [[Someone's Following You]], warning Bree and Daniel to be on the lookout.

=== November 16th ===
Bree posts the video [[Man In The Suit]], dismissing Gemma's warnings, but later that day, a man in a black suit shows up in Daniel's posted video [[Breakfast In Bed]].

Jonas posts his first video, [[My Name Is Jonas]].

=== November 17th ===
Gemma posts the video [[A Watcher]], in which she points out the man in Daniel's video, and identifies him as a member of a mysterious religious order.

Bree and Daniel leave the motel, posting the video [[Fleeing The Watcher]] about it later.

=== November 20th ===
Bree posts the video [[Survival Skills]], in which she voices concerns that her stuffed animals might contract rabies. In this video, Bree makes mention of [[OPAPHID]].

=== November 21st ===
Daniel posts the video [[Silent Treatment]], in which he voices doubts that Bree is taking matters seriously. Daniel has now been in hiding for the large part of over a month.

Jonas posts the video [[Bored At Home]].

=== November 22nd ===
Gemma posts the video [[An Awkward Silence]].

=== November 23rd ===
Bree goes out to the movies and posts the video [[Date With P. Monkey]].

Jonas posts the video [[Happy Thanksgiving]].

=== November 24th ===
Bree decides to have a picnic-style Thanksgiving dinner with Daniel on a hiking trail. She posts the video [[Thanksgiving]] in response to [[Happy Thanksgiving]].

=== November 26th ===
OpAphid posts the video [[Adventures in Babysitting]], which is a film of someone tearing apart Bree and Daniel's motel room. Tachyon posts the video [[Mysteries of My Past... Revealed: My Time in Suburbia]] in response.

=== November 27th ===
Bree posts the video [[Ransacked!]] and promises to show up in the chat room the following day.

=== November 28th ===
After several days of silence, Gemma posts the video [[Scared To Go Home]], in which she expresses fear that she is also being followed by a "Watcher". Gemma promises to join the chat session.

That evening, the chat session unfolds. Bree, Gemma, and Jonas are all involved. The idea is proposed that Bree and Daniel go to stay at Jonas's house.

=== November 29th ===
Jonas posts the video [[Trust Issues]], inviting Daniel and Bree to stay at his house.

=== November 30th ===
Daniel posts the video [[Jonas?]], admitting his reluctance to trust a stranger at this time.

== December 2006 ==
=== December 1st ===
Gemma posts the video [[Daniel Is Right]].

In response to advice from Tachyon, Daniel decides to ditch his car. Bree and Daniel argue about whether they can trust Jonas and whether they should return home. Daniel posts the video [[Homeless]].

=== December 3rd ===
Tachyon posts the video [[Knock 'Em Down]].

=== December 4th ===
After living on the sreets and in a warehouse for several days, Bree posts the video [[Warwalking]].

OpAphid posts the video [[Home Alone]], which includes footage filmed inside Bree and Daniel's bedrooms.

=== December 5th ===
Jonas posts the video [[The Anti-Cribs]], reiterating his invitation.

=== December 6th ===
Gemma posts the video [[Bad Decisions]].

=== December 7th ===
Daniel decides to leave the fate of Bree and himself up to the viewers, posting the video [[The Test]]. [[GoodGollyItsHolly]] is chosen to be the final decision maker.

=== December 9th ===
Daniel and Bree wait inside a parking garage for Jonas to show up. When he does, Daniel changes his mind and tells Bree that he's going home. Although the meeting is not seen on camera, supposedly Bree leaves Daniel for Jonas, giving him this footage, which he then posts as part of the video [[Your Decision]].

=== December 11th ===
Daniel posts the video [[Back Home]], telling about his return to his parents and giving an apology to Bree.

Tachyon posts the video [[Gemma? (Part I)|Gemma? [Part I]]], which shows footage of Gemma walking down a sunny street that is clearly not in London.

=== December 12th ===
Tachyon posts the video [[Gemma? (Part II)|Gemma? [Part II]]], which shows Gemma and Lucy getting in to a car together. Apparently this video is seen by Bree and Jonas, as Jonas includes a clip of it in his next blog.

Jonas posts the video [[Tough Cookie]], in which he claims that Bree has spent the last few days sitting in a bedroom in his house, eating nothing but a couple of cookies. Apparently she is depressed about being abandoned by Daniel and betrayed by Gemma.

=== December 13th ===
Daniel posts the video [[Gemma, Who Are You?]].

=== December 14th ===
Ending her long absence, Bree finally posts a new video to Daniel, [[Cheer Me Up]].

=== December 15th ===
Daniel searches Bree's house, finding a suspicious box, and posts [[Back At Bree's]].

=== December 16th ===
Tachyon posts the video [[Gemma? (Part III)|Gemma? [Part III]]], in which Gemma is shown talking on a phone to an unknown person about OpAphid.

=== December 18th ===
Bree posts the video [[Bree Phone Home]], in which she attempts to contact relatives.

=== December 19th ===
Daniel discovers a hidden camera in his room and flees, later posting the video [[Undisclosed Location]].

=== December 20th ===
Jonas teaches Bree how to ride a skateboard. Bree posts the video [[Skateboarding]].

=== December 21st ===
Daniel sneaks into the warehouse from which the box was sent, and finds a large supply of [[Bree's injections|EPOGEN]]. He posts the video [[Breaking And Entering]].

=== December 23rd ===
Bree posts the video [[Mystery Movies]].

=== December 25th ===
Daniel arrives at Jonas's house before dawn on Christmas. Jonas films Bree and Daniel's reunion, which is later posted by Daniel as part of the video [[Christmas Surprise]].

=== December 26th ===
Jonas wakes up to find Bree missing along with his car and one of his credit cards. He posts the video [[Bree's Gone]].

=== December 27th ===
Tachyon posts the video [[Gemma (Part IV)|Gemma [Part IV]]].

=== December 28th ===
Daniel and Jonas uncover the code that Bree used to communicate with her father in [[Mystery Movies]] and set out to catch up with her at her meeting location. Daniel posts the video [[Roadtrip]].

=== December 31st ===
Brother posts the video [[Gemma (Part V)|Gemma [Part V]]].

Daniel posts the video [[The Unthinkable Happened]] on Bree's YouTube account. The video depicts Jonas and Daniel finding Bree and rescuing her from the Order. A gun is fired near the end of the video, leaving viewers to wonder what happened.

== January 2007 ==
===January 3rd===
Daniel posts a dialogue-free video informing us that [[Bree's Dad Is Dead]].

===January 5th===
Bree posts the video [[My Dad Said...]], in which she relates a startling revelation from her dad.

===January 8th===
Jonas gives his view of what happened on New Year's Eve in his video [[45 Seconds]].

Gemma's YouTube account, after having remained unused for over a month, is hijacked by Tachyon. New versions of the Tachyon [[Gemma? (Part I)|Gemma?]] videos are posted on the account in the next few days.

===January 9th===
Daniel seems to feel that Purple Monkey is the only one who can cheer up Bree. He is clearly wrong, but posts the video [[Purple Monkey Returns]] anyway.

===January 11th===
Daniel posts the video [[Foosball]].

===January 13th===
Bree posts the video [[Hiding In The Bathroom]], in which she shares more insight as to her and her parents' place in the Order.

===January 15th===
Daniel posts the video [[Bree And I Hooked Up]], in which he speaks about spending the night with Bree. Jonas leaves the house and goes to a movie so they can have a private date.

===January 16th===
OpAphid posts the video [[The Ends Justify The Means]], which includes footage of Daniel finding the hidden camera.

Jonas posts the video [[Kicked Out]] and we learn that Daniel's date might not have gone very well.

===January 17th===
Bree posts the video [[Daniel's A Liar]].

===January 18th===
Daniel leaves the house and gets drunk, later escorted home by Jonas and some girl that Daniel met at a bowling alley. Jonas, Bree, and the girl stay up all night watching a passed-out Daniel.

===January 19th===
Bree posts the video [[Truth Or Dare]].

===January 21st===
Daniel posts the video [[Hungover]].

===January 23rd===
Bree posts the video [[Time To Grow Up]].

===January 24th===
Daniel posts the video [[Foosball Battle]].

===January 25th===
OpAphid posts the video [[Lose Something?]]

===January 26th===
Daniel posts the video [[For The Ladies]], and leaves that evening for the bowling alley.

===January 27th===
Bree posts the video [[Daniel's Missing!]], in which we learn that he never returned from the previous night.

===January 29th===
Bree sets out with Jonas to track down Daniel, and posts the video [[Looking For Daniel]]. This results in a road trip, and they end up having to stay in a motel that night.

===January 30th===
Bree posts the video [[Sleepover]], in which Jonas repeatedly assures the viewers (Daniel in particular, wherever he is) that his sharing a motel bed with Bree is strictly platonic.

==February 2007==
===February 2nd===
Bree posts the video [[The Cowboy]] in which Jonas and Bree find the man with whom they believe Daniel left the bowling alley.

===February 4th===
Daniel posts the video [[Miss Me?]], reassuring Bree that the Order is good, and she should go through with the ceremony. The video is shot in the style of an OpAphid video, and it is clear from various bits of evidence that Daniel is being used as a puppet of the Order.

===February 5th===
Bree posts the video [[Me For Daniel]], claiming that she will surrender herself to the Order to perform the ceremony if Daniel is released.

===February 7th===
Jonas posts the video [[Storm The Castle]] expressing his doubts in Bree's decision.

===February 10th===
Daniel posts the video [[The Human Ransom]], which at first seems to show Bree coming through on her promise. The second half of the video indicates that Bree, Daniel and Jonas all escape with the assistance of Tachyon and Brother in some way.

===February 13th===
Bree posts the video [[Rescuing Daniel]], in which she explains that Tachyon helped her set up the Order to get Daniel back.

[[Category:Breeniverse events]]

Four-letter words

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'''Four-letter words''' are bad, bad words often used to express anger and frustration. These words should never be said in church or if you are under the age of 13. Regardless, some of the characters in the [[Breeniverse]] sometimes use bad language.

Before it was known that [[lonelygirl15]] was fictional, some fans were surprised by the use of four-letter words, and suggested that this was a clue that viral marketers were not behind the project.

The first appearance of different four-letter words and other bad words is noted below:

* '''Suck''' — One of Bree's earliest videos is titled [[My Parents Suck...|My Parents ''Suck''...]]; some people find the term offensive.
* '''Fuck''' — In the video [[I Probably Shouldn't Post This...]], in the heat of an argument, [[Bree]] yells, "There's a million ''fucking'' different religions in the world!"
* '''Hell''' — [[Daniel]] uses the word ''hell'' in the video [[To Hell With Bree's Dad (yeah!)]]. The first time a character actually says the word occurs in the video [[Learning To Drive]]. Not all people consider ''hell'' to be a bad word, but Daniel has used it quite a bit.
* '''Pissing''' — In [[Learning To Drive]] Daniel says he "succeeded in pissing Bree off again" after he confronts her about her upcoming ceremony.
* '''Shit''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''shit''" several times. Also, Daniel's YouTube profile has always said "Favorite Music: ''Shit'' that rocks." in [[The Cowboy]] Bree says "Oh shit, I'm gonna text him."
* '''Crap''' — In the video [[The Ceremony]], Daniel says, "Oh ''crap''!" when he first spots Bree. Many people find this word as offensive as ''shit'', which Daniel also says many times.
* '''Wanker''' — In the video [[Don't Trust The Authorities]], [[Gemma]] said that [[P. Monkey]] is "kind of a ''wanker''." Many fans were upset by this affront to P. Monkey.
* '''Damn''' — Daniel exclaims "''Damn'' it!" in the video [[Warwalking]] when he's unable to find an internet connection for his laptop.
* '''Pissed''' — In the video [[Warwalking]], Bree says that Daniel is "''pissed'' off" about her suggestion that they go stay with Jonas. Pissed was previously used as a tag to the Daniel video [[How Could You?]] when Bree cancels a date to attend the Fall Equinox celebration.
* '''Ass''' — In the video [[Kicked Out]], [[Jonas]] tells Daniel that he is "gonna kick your ''ass''" in a game of foosball.
* '''Goddamn''' — In the video [[The Unthinkable Happened]], Jonas whispers the phrase "''Goddammit''" in response to seeing Bree's father. This word was found extremely offensive by some.
[[Category:Notable details]]

The Cowboy

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{{Blog3
|name = The Cowboy
|number = 0126
|image = 126.jpg
|caption = Hey, Cowboy!
|blogger = Bree
|date = February 2nd, 2007
|url = [http://www.lonelygirl15.com/?p=167&play=1 lonelygirl15.com]
|description = We tracked the guy down that Daniel was with at Pins and Pints. He drives a white van...
|tags = [[LG15]] [[lonelygirl15]] [[daniel]] [[danielbeast]] [[jonas]] [[jonastko]] [[cowboy]] [[white]] [[van]] [[mountains]] [[drive]] [[shack]] [[rest]] [[stop]]


| execprod = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Greg Goodfried
| producers = Amanda Goodfried
| directors = Mesh Flinders
| camera = Kevin Schlanser
| vidplay = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, and Glenn Rubenstein
| story = Miles Beckett, Mesh Flinders, Greg Goodfried, and Glenn Rubenstein
| editor = Kevin Schlanser
| song =


| character1 = The Cowboy
| actor1 = The Cowboy{{!}}Unknown
| character2 = Bree
| actor2 = Jessica Rose
| character3 = Jonas
| actor3 = Jackson Davis
| character4 =
| actor4 =
| Previous = Sleepover
| Next = Miss Me?
}}
'''The Cowboy''' is the one hundred twenty-sixth video in the Lonelygirl15 [[List of Lonelygirl15 videos|video series]]. [[Bree]] and [[Jonas]] follow the man in the white van.

==Transcript==
(''The video opens with shots of the mountains through the window of a moving car.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''voiceover'') Ah, so anyway, I talked to the bartender and he said that this guy's kind of shady and uh, I don't know. I guess he takes odd jobs from (''shot cuts to Jonas driving'') this person and that person. He's kind of a...town weirdo.

(''We see mountains and trees and rain, then the shot is a peek around a tree at a cabin-type house.'')

'''Jonas:''' (''voiceover'') Alright, so we found this guy's place, finally, and we parked in the back highway and hiked up the hill. So far, no sign of this guy. Or Daniel for that matter.

(''More shots of the rain, and the cabin. Then the scene cuts to a white van in a parking lot.'')

'''Bree:''' (''voiceover'') That's his van over there. We followed him to this rest stop.

(''Cut to a shot of Jonas's face.'')

'''Bree:''' This is so frustrating. I just feel completely helpless.

'''Jonas:''' I know. He pulled into a rest stop? I don't like this guy.

'''Bree:''' Well maybe he needs to pee, but... (''small laugh'')

'''Jonas:''' I'm going, 'cause this is ridiculous. I'm just going to check out the van.

'''Bree:''' No! You're not ''Bruce Wayne'', Jonas.

(''Jonas raises his eyebrows at Bree, then we see him walking toward the white van. He looks in the front passenger window and appears to try to open the door but it seems locked, so he goes to the back of the van and opens the back.'')

'''Bree:''' (''Talking as though to Jonas although he is clearly too far away to hear her'') What are you doing? Don't get ''in'' the van!

(''Jonas gets in the van.'')

'''Bree:''' What?!

(''Camera pans to a guy wearing a cowboy hat walking toward the van.'')

'''Bree:''' Oh my God, that's the guy. Oh shit. I'm gonna text him. Please pick up your phone.

(''We see Jonas crouching behind the van as the cowboy walks up to it.'')

'''Bree:''' Look at your phone.

'''Unseen male:''' Hey! Cowboy!

(''The cowboy turns to look the direction from which he came.'')

'''Unseen male:''' Did you forget this?

(''The cowboy walks away from the van. Jonas runs. We hear the sound of Bree opening the car door.'')

'''Bree:''' (''Yells to Jonas'') Run, run, get in the car!

(''Cut to Jonas sitting in front of a window with a pool behind him.'')

'''Jonas:''' This was a scary, scary day. That was... I saw in the back of the van, but there was nothing there. Anyway, we've, I'm exhausted, we've been driving all night to get back here and Bree went straight to bed. She's pretty bummed out. And I'm just racking my brain now this whole way back. I've just been thinking of, you know, what can we do about Daniel and I don't, I'm just, I'm ''frustrated'' because I don't have any experience in this kind of... situation? Does this guy have him locked up somewhere, or uh, who is this guy?! It's... I mean, I know that... I know Watchers, right, they don't wear cowboy hats. I think that we should really go to the police about this. We should really do something about this but Bree just wants nothing to do with that idea. But I think it might be time. I don't know. It's... you know what, I'm just tired. I'm just tired and frustrated so I'm gonna get some sleep and hopefully have, you know, come up with some better ideas tomorrow.

==Notes==
* It is likely that the Creators intend the white van and man from this video to match the ones seen in [[Looking_For_Daniel|Looking For Daniel]], although there are apparent differences between the men.
* Bruce Wayne is a reference to the secret identity of the comic book character Batman. Jonas made a reference to Bruce Wayne (as an orphan, he is "more Bruce Wayne than Oliver") in his video "[[Happy_Thanksgiving|Happy Thanksgiving]]."
* While Jonas is driving, we can see a heart drawn on the car window – presumably by Jonas or Bree.
* While apparently Bree is holding the camera through most of this video, she is never seen on screen.
* Some might consider the episode a homage to the David Lynch film "Mulholland Drive" (2001). There happened to be a strange and mysterious figure known as "the cowboy" who had a bizarre scene with film director Adam Kesher on top of a hill in California. Whether there is really an inspired link between the two characters is yet to be seen.