Lonelygirl15

New user here.

I have 2 theories after watching this video.

A.) Perhaps the whole point of the "ceremony" for Bree is to get her to “destroy,” which is the pinnacle of the OPAPHID philosophy. Perhaps there truly is no “ceremony” in the traditional sense of the word, but the Order has set up her entire life as a training to get her to become the ultimate assassin/psychopath, and this is the first real step she has taken towards it. Jonas’ asking “are you going to kill me?” is a legitimate question if it is directed towards Bree.

When she kills of her own free will, she will have officially joined the Order and even though she will then realize the whole “chasing them down” concept was all part of the farce involved in the training, the damage will be done and she will not be able to turn back–she will become a true OpAphid agent and assassin.

B.) Perhaps Bree has been a member of the Order all this time and the two boys don’t realize it, she is fooling everyone.

I’m leaning more towards A, it fits with the whole “they want me to do the Ceremony of my own free will” not realizing that destroying the lives of these two boys proves she is full swing into the ceremony already.

After all, Bree has already fulfilled tons of the requirements of the OPAPHID code already.

Analysis -- Her whole "Proving Science Wrong" phase.

Protect -- How she came to the rescue of Daniel when he was captured by the Order.

Hinder -- Simultaneously by rescuing Daniel and getting away from Lucy & co, she foiled the Order's plans.

Infiltrate -- Without even realizing it she has gotten Tachyon to trust her and has gotten instant access to this valuable anti-OpAphid resource.

Destroy -- This is the only step that is incomplete. However, after watching the last 3 videos you can see how this is the final step she needs to take, and she will have fulfilled the requirements of OpAphid (and possibly completed the ceremony as well).

What do you guys think?

PS--After watching the "How Dumb Was I" video again, I also have to add--"that dumb girl died with her father" concept essentially proves that her father's death was the event that triggered the ceremony--which is essentially Bree going through everything she has gone through up til now to fulfill the acronym.

I think this is a very perceptive post for a first time poster. Thanks for the theory. It's very interesting. Perhaps this is how Tachyon evolved as well.

The only person in the Order here is in fact Bree and she doesn't even know it, yet.

Excellent theory!

edit: and suspicious too

impulse wrote:The only person in the Order here is in fact Bree and she doesn't even know it, yet. Excellent theory!

If this was true, which is indeed a very interesting theory (good job =P), then maybe this would explain her psychological upbringing...but it makes her more insane than anything normal. It would be as if she had created this false world around her--and by convincing Daniel and Jonas--AND US---she herself has succeeding in creating a whole new world through paranoia, convincing, and intelligence.

I'm gonna repost my theory on free will and the order, and probably kill this thread too. It offers up a possibility regarding the order's view on "free will", and how it compares with the Thelemic idea of "True Will", and also puts it in perspective with a modern analog:

longlostposter wrote:Since you are so knowledgable about Crowley, can you shed some light and how this "Order" has anything to do with Crowley? Or do you think the shrine in Bree's bedroom is a trigger of some kind (or some other thing)? I'd be interested in getting your feedback on this.

I actually had a thought about this while driving home the other day - the whole free will vs True Will vs "coerced will" and how it would factor into both Thelema and the LG15 mythos/Order of Denderah.

Let's take an example from Christianity - the Branch Davidians. They were a fundamentalist sect, who got caught up in the apocalyptic and messianic aspects of that faith to such an extent that they felt that the end was there - and the second coming of Jesus was right there with them (David Koresh, for those too young to remember). The doctrine of Christianity became twisted to support Koresh's belief in himself as messiah.

Now how does this relate to the Order of Denderah? Liber AL has a few messianic verses:

"The child of thy bowels, he shall behold them." - AL I:55
":4 6 3 8 A B K 2 4 A L G M O R 3 Y X 24 89 R P S T O V A L. What meaneth this, o prophet? Thou knowest not; nor shalt thou know ever. There cometh one to follow thee: he shall expound it. But remember, o chosen one, to be me; to follow the love of Nu in the star-lit heaven; to look forth upon men, to tell them this glad word." - AL II:77
"There cometh a rich man from the West who shall pour his gold upon thee." - AL III:31

Let's say there was an Thelemite, let's call him Frater Bubba. A California trust fund baby, he's got a few million dollars in the bank somewhere. He was born on April 6, 1938, and his name is Alan Bradley Koresh (ha). When he's 24, he reads the Book of the Law and decides "oh my god, that's me!". He joins the OTO, but it's in shambles, so he quits and forms his own order. It flounders for a while, but slowly he builds up some power and influence amongst people. Eventually, most of the Thelema is gone, except for recognition of Crowley as the prophet and Liber AL as a holy book, but they're inconsequential - Alan Koresh is the Thelemic Messiah - love of HIM is the law, and True Will is defined as whatever Koresh says it is, after all, who better to decide what is good for the "stars" but the Messiah - the incarnation of Ra Hoor Khuit on earth. A new pharaoh, if you will. To maintain that illusion of free will, you are given options - serve or die (or be terrorized, or have your father killed, etc). All in the name of the Messiah of the New Aeon.

There's a workable theory. A cult, based on Thelema just as the Branch Davidians were based on Christianity. Crowley's there as a prophet, just as Jesus was still in the Davidians, but his position is a lesser one. Why look to a dead guy when you've got a living, breathing, walking, talking incarnation of a God right next to you?

The funny thing is this is what Crowley warned about in his writings. To whit, the comment to Liber AL vel Legis:

The study of this Book is forbidden. It is wise to destroy this copy after the first reading.
Whosoever disregards this does so at his own risk and peril. These are most dire.
Those who discuss the contents of this Book are to be shunned by all, as centres of pestilence.
All questions of the Law are to be decided only by appeal to my writings, each for himself.
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

Of course, I doubt if LG15 will end with the whole Order of Denderah being destroyed in a huge ATF raid, but maybe if the creators can drum up a million bucks for a nice finale...