Lonelygirl15

Acknowledge their
Position and
Help
Initiate a
Dialogue

It is a rather basic skill, and it seems that Op's "fairy tale" has come in handy. In her video "Me For Daniel" Bree acknowledges Op's existence, or position and asks for Lucy to e-mail her, therefore helping OpAphid to start (or initiate) a dialogue.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but does this makes sense to you? We've had this alternate explanation for the acronym repeated by both Bree and Gemma. Maybe it has some importance other than a cover-up?

You know I was thinking about that too...I know that Op said it was a fairytale...but I am wondering what the children were told to use Op Aphid for. Yes it was for interacting with strangers, but there had to be some reason they needed to "dialogue" with strangers...especially with a religion/order that seemed to actively keep it's chldren from interacting with strangers. Maybe they had to try and convert people who showed potential? Or was it a way of defending themselves against criticism? It's an interesting question you pose.

girlAnachronism wrote: In her video "Me For Daniel" Bree acknowledges Op's existence, or position and asks for Lucy to e-mail her, therefore helping OpAphid to start (or initiate) a dialogue.

Wow, I didn't even think about that. Thanks for pointing it out. Good post!

girlAnachronism wrote:Acknowledge their
Position and
Help
Initiate a
Dialogue

It is a rather basic skill, and it seems that Op's "fairy tale" has come in handy. In her video "Me For Daniel" Bree acknowledges Op's existence, or position and asks for Lucy to e-mail her, therefore helping OpAphid to start (or initiate) a dialogue.

Maybe I'm overthinking this, but does this makes sense to you? We've had this alternate explanation for the acronym repeated by both Bree and Gemma. Maybe it has some importance other than a cover-up?

that is a very good reason...

Macabea13 wrote:You know I was thinking about that too...I know that Op said it was a fairytale...but I am wondering what the children were told to use Op Aphid for. Yes it was for interacting with strangers, but there had to be some reason they needed to "dialogue" with strangers...especially with a religion/order that seemed to actively keep it's chldren from interacting with strangers. Maybe they had to try and convert people who showed potential? Or was it a way of defending themselves against criticism? It's an interesting question you pose.

thats a question i want answered!

colbertnationgirl wrote:

Macabea13 wrote:You know I was thinking about that too...I know that Op said it was a fairytale...but I am wondering what the children were told to use Op Aphid for. Yes it was for interacting with strangers, but there had to be some reason they needed to "dialogue" with strangers...especially with a religion/order that seemed to actively keep it's chldren from interacting with strangers. Maybe they had to try and convert people who showed potential? Or was it a way of defending themselves against criticism? It's an interesting question you pose.

thats a question i want answered!

I have always taken it as being a way of spreading the order's beliefs and gaining new members... I can't think of the right word for it right now... but kind of like the people that stand in the streets handing out literature etc.... People are more likely to take a brochure from a kid than an adult....

I disagree. The Order does not seem at all desperate for new members. In my opinion, this may have been a lesson to help the children of the Order to function in normal society and interact with outsiders without provoking any suspicion. Maybe they hoped to teach children to start conversation with a light topic as to prevent the outsider from initiating a conversation that could lead to exposure of the Order.

Furthermore, the Order seems to be picky in its members. By allowing children to recruit others, they may end up with some substandard members. I think it is clear that they prefer to raise their members from infantry to follow their beliefs, essentially brainwashing them. Look at what they did to Bree. And it is clear that she has some kind of unique qualities that specifically attracted the Order. Evidently, they are very particular in whom they give information to and allow into their society. Sending out kids to convert outsiders does not seem very Order-esque to me.

this may have been a lesson to help the children of the Order to function in normal society and interact with outsiders without provoking any suspicion. Maybe they hoped to teach children to start conversation with a light topic as to prevent the outsider from initiating a conversation that could lead to exposure of the Order.

exsactly.

Also the "alternative" seems more so in protecting The Order from the outside world and whom ever is not associated with them so that suspecting people would no criticize them and make their beautiful justice (*snicker*) public domain.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:I disagree. The Order does not seem at all desperate for new members. In my opinion, this may have been a lesson to help the children of the Order to function in normal society and interact with outsiders without provoking any suspicion. Maybe they hoped to teach children to start conversation with a light topic as to prevent the outsider from initiating a conversation that could lead to exposure of the Order.

Furthermore, the Order seems to be picky in its members. By allowing children to recruit others, they may end up with some substandard members. I think it is clear that they prefer to raise their members from infantry to follow their beliefs, essentially brainwashing them. Look at what they did to Bree. And it is clear that she has some kind of unique qualities that specifically attracted the Order. Evidently, they are very particular in whom they give information to and allow into their society. Sending out kids to convert outsiders does not seem very Order-esque to me.

But that is exactly my point. It is weird then that they are asking the kids to intitiate a dialogue with others. You can survive very well in society without dialogue.....most people do. I'm not saying they are out to convert, instead I am questioning why they behave in a way that suggests that.

wow i didnt notice that

good catch

Macabea13 wrote:

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote:I disagree. The Order does not seem at all desperate for new members. In my opinion, this may have been a lesson to help the children of the Order to function in normal society and interact with outsiders without provoking any suspicion. Maybe they hoped to teach children to start conversation with a light topic as to prevent the outsider from initiating a conversation that could lead to exposure of the Order.

Furthermore, the Order seems to be picky in its members. By allowing children to recruit others, they may end up with some substandard members. I think it is clear that they prefer to raise their members from infantry to follow their beliefs, essentially brainwashing them. Look at what they did to Bree. And it is clear that she has some kind of unique qualities that specifically attracted the Order. Evidently, they are very particular in whom they give information to and allow into their society. Sending out kids to convert outsiders does not seem very Order-esque to me.

But that is exactly my point. It is weird then that they are asking the kids to intitiate a dialogue with others. You can survive very well in society without dialogue.....most people do. I'm not saying they are out to convert, instead I am questioning why they behave in a way that suggests that.

That isn't true. Most people do not fit in well if they can't interact with others. Dialogue is definitely an essential aspect of social existence. What I'm saying is, maybe they were trying to protect the Order by teaching children to talk themselves out of situations with strangers. By initiating the dialogue themselves, the children could prevent the outsider from inquiring and cornering them into giving away secrets of the Order. They basically were teaching the children to keep their secrets from early on.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. wrote: That isn't true. Most people do not fit in well if they can't interact with others. Dialogue is definitely an essential aspect of social existence. What I'm saying is, maybe they were trying to protect the Order by teaching children to talk themselves out of situations with strangers. By initiating the dialogue themselves, the children could prevent the outsider from inquiring and cornering them into giving away secrets of the Order. They basically were teaching the children to keep their secrets from early on.

I have to agree to disagree. Telling someone what you think, or believe is very different than dialogue as far as I am concerned, as is most of what people interpret as interaction. However, I am guessing that I am much more literal in this interpretation than is neccesary.

I do love your idea that they had to talk about their religion in order to protect the order. It was clear from all the Cassie references that whatever Bree believed in was not acceptable to the public-at-large. And they did let Daniel observe the Mayflower Play(in fact, they let him tape it) ...so it isn't completely inconcievable that they would actually talk about their religion to others......or that they would have to explain themselves.

But if you went through the trouble to develop cult compounds etc...and to take your young away from their parents and put them in "controlled environments" why would you care how the chosen "dialogued" with the public? Not trying to be contrary, just truly curious..though I am probably carrying this idea beyond what it was intended....

Maybe this is a stupid question, which would most likely be why I am asking it, but doesn't the D in APHID stand for Destroy?


I realize Gemma and Bree talked about the other version (Acknowledge their Position and Help Initiate a Dialogue),
but on the phone in Tachyon's video when Gemma asks if the D in APHID is not an option, are you saying she is asking if dialog is not an option or are there supposedly two different acronyms for APHID?

Sorry, I'm confused.

janesalteredstates wrote:Maybe this is a stupid question, which would most likely be why I am asking it, but doesn't the D in APHID stand for Destroy?


I realize Gemma and Bree talked about the other version (Acknowledge their Position and Help Initiate a Dialogue),
but on the phone in Tachyon's video when Gemma asks if the D in APHID is not an option, are you saying she is asking if dialog is not an option or are there supposedly two different acronyms for APHID?

Sorry, I'm confused.

You're exactly correct! See, you weren't confused at all
The 'sinister' version is:
Analyze
Protect
Hinder
Infiltrate
Destroy

The harmless version is taught to the children of the Order. The other version is the code OpAphid operatives live by,

trainer101 wrote:

janesalteredstates wrote:Maybe this is a stupid question, which would most likely be why I am asking it, but doesn't the D in APHID stand for Destroy?


I realize Gemma and Bree talked about the other version (Acknowledge their Position and Help Initiate a Dialogue),
but on the phone in Tachyon's video when Gemma asks if the D in APHID is not an option, are you saying she is asking if dialog is not an option or are there supposedly two different acronyms for APHID?

Sorry, I'm confused.

You're exactly correct! See, you weren't confused at all
The 'sinister' version is:
Analyze
Protect
Hinder
Infiltrate
Destroy

The harmless version is taught to the children of the Order. The other version is the code OpAphid operatives live by,

you don't exactly know they are harmless. but op aphid says they are fairytales. ( is that right, i hope it is!)