Lonelygirl15

I realise I haven't posted much...or at all...but the latest OpAphid/Tachyon videos have got me to thinking...and bear with me, because I'm sure it's pretty much 100% wrong. Watch out, it's long and rambly. :p

I think it's possible that there are three "metaphorical" sides. OpAphid (and I'm assuming he/she is as canon as an ARG element can get) seems to be a more advanced and futuristic type of organization. Also, Gemma has pointed out that the "community" is not a religion, even though Bree continued to go on about how much she dislikes discussing her religion. I know Bree doesn't know much, but I hardly think she would have been randomly applying the title of religion to the order if she hadn't had some legitimate reason to believe this. This leads me to the conclusion that Gemma's "Community" and Bree's "Order" are not one in the same.

I think the "Order" and "Operation APHID" are both after Bree. She is obviously important to them for some reason. The Order's ways seem too old fashioned to even compare to OpAphid's style which is evident through the style of videos and use of words like "inflitrated"...

I don't know if I would go as far as to say that the Order is trying to protect Bree and her family, but Lucy could easily be playing both sides and the fake ceremony took place, not to throw Daniel off, but instead to throw Lucy off. Once the Order discovered Lucy's plans with OpAphid (which I can't even theorise about yet) they panicked and intended to take Bree and her family into hiding, but Bree ran off with Daniel. Maybe the ceremony wasn't what Bree should have been fearing all along...OpAphid alludes to Cassie a lot too, and in the earlier videos, she is said to have acted sinfully. Maybe Cassie was in Gemma's position, which was meant for Bree? If Cassie was meant to play for OpAphid, but decided to rebel against them, she was punished. That could be why OpAphid wants Bree so badly.

Hmm...okay, totally disjointed...but there might be something in it? Basically here's what I'm thinking:

The Order is a religious cult/group/whatever you want to call it that does what religions do for the most part.
Operation Aphid is an underground operation that wants the same thing as the Order, but has to fight against them to get it. When the Order uses a girl for their ceremony, they give her a certain responsibility which makes her particularly desirable to OpAphid. OpAphid can then take it upon themselves to use scare tactics in order to convince that girl to side with them and help them get what they are after.
And as I refuse to think that the creators have just completely forgotten about Cassie...maybe she was the girl chosen by the order and swayed by OpAphid, but she refused to play by OpAphids rules and was punished? The earlier OpAphid videos could be a warning to Bree, and that could also explain why Cassie ran from Bree when she discovered that Bree was likely to be chosen for the ceremony in the future.
Gemma then replaced Cassie and has been swayed by those in OpAphid. Lucy is evidently a plant used by OpAphid to help sway the girls over to the other side?

Now the Order has people watching Bree to keep OpAphid to get to her, as apparently they are fairly benevolent considering how close they have gotten to Bree without doing anything. It is OpAphid that has been physically going through her things and probably bugging her. Gemma, in Tachyon's last video, is on the phone to someone saying that Lucy's methods won't work on Bree. Why would Lucy's methods be the be all and end all of the Order's plans?

Ahaha. Just some pretty random musing really. OpAphid wants to use Bree against the Order, who in turn want Bree for their own ends. The only question is, what on earth does anyone really hope to achieve? Lol. Hmmm...a war of the cults?

Interesting thoughts....it would be pretty intriguing to watch something like this play out

I have had similar thoughts, though there are some loose ends there. Not that there aren't loose ends anyway.

There are a few things that could fit into this theory.. For instance, didn't OPAphid at one point make it clear that Thelema was only one of several religions in her Organization...this could mean that what Bree thought of as her religion was really just her religion (though she does call it the order, doesn' she?) Maybe when she was slated to do the ceremony she was going to become part of the larger order...though this isn't exactly what you are talking about it is along the same lines...

Some things don't fit though, Gemma and Bree clearly lived in the same community at some point and Gemma was the one who said it wasn't a religion....Tachyon was clearly associated with Gemma and lived in her Community at some point or another, since she is the siser of the one who disappeared...( though come to think of it, we don't really know if Gemma was telling the truth...maybe OP Aphid had just told her to relay the story)....

I dunno, it's mind boggling isn't it....but how fun to think that there are cults fighting each other....and there could be multiple double agents...Gemma, Lucy, Jonas, Tachyon....and even the multitude of missing parents....dum de dum dum da......

1. In terms of Thelema, the only person saying The Order is not a religion at all is Gemma. Clearly we can't trust anything she told us 100%.

2. I think that OpAphid is the high tech covert operation of The Order to deal with this type of stuff.

nooo I love this!! I had been suspisous ever since Gemma's whole "it's not a religion" vid! I posted a thred in Bree's Religion about how I thought something was up now with that idea now that Gemma can't be trusted. I love this theory and it would completely explain why Gemma wanted bree away from the watchers, because the watchers are connected to her religion and not the Operation APHID. Great thoughts keep posting!

krmurr87 wrote:nooo I love this!! I had been suspisous ever since Gemma's whole "it's not a religion" vid! I posted a thred in Bree's Religion about how I thought something was up now with that idea now that Gemma can't be trusted. I love this theory and it would completely explain why Gemma wanted bree away from the watchers, because the watchers are connected to her religion and not the Operation APHID. Great thoughts keep posting!

if Operation APHID is part The Order (her religion) wouldn't the Watchers be connected to both?

the Watchers would be the old school (like knights) while OpAphid would be the high tech dirty work dept.

covedweller wrote:

krmurr87 wrote:nooo I love this!! I had been suspisous ever since Gemma's whole "it's not a religion" vid! I posted a thred in Bree's Religion about how I thought something was up now with that idea now that Gemma can't be trusted. I love this theory and it would completely explain why Gemma wanted bree away from the watchers, because the watchers are connected to her religion and not the Operation APHID. Great thoughts keep posting!

if Operation APHID is part The Order (her religion) wouldn't the Watchers be connected to both?

the Watchers would be the old school (like knights) while OpAphid would be the high tech dirty work dept.

hm I don't know if I misunderstood this thread... I thought that the theory was that Operation APHID and the Order (bree's religion) were two different entities trying to get at Bree. So my idea was that the Watchers were working for the Order or Bree's religion..maybe the order is Operation APHID and not referencing Bree's religion sry

Kelly wrote:I think it's possible that there are three "metaphorical" sides. OpAphid (and I'm assuming he/she is as canon as an ARG element can get) seems to be a more advanced and futuristic type of organization. Also, Gemma has pointed out that the "community" is not a religion, even though Bree continued to go on about how much she dislikes discussing her religion. I know Bree doesn't know much, but I hardly think she would have been randomly applying the title of religion to the order if she hadn't had some legitimate reason to believe this. This leads me to the conclusion that Gemma's "Community" and Bree's "Order" are not one in the same.

Gemma's and Bree's families both lived in the same community, though. Gemma wasn't very clear about what exactly she meant wasn't a religion, I think. I assumed she was talking about the higher echelon of the whole thing (the Elders/Deacons/OpAphid/whatever).

Not to say that the main idea of the theory (a third faction) is wrong, though.

Kelly wrote:I don't know if I would go as far as to say that the Order is trying to protect Bree and her family, but Lucy could easily be playing both sides and the fake ceremony took place, not to throw Daniel off, but instead to throw Lucy off.

It was implied that Lucy was one of the people who told Bree to use the fake ceremony to trick Daniel, though:

"The people that were preparing me for the ritual, they found out that he'd been filming us. They told me to lie and pretend that the ceremony was the other night..."

Lucy was Bree's personal helper in preparing for the ceremony, and had pictures of Daniel spying on them on her computer. Bree also mentioned there that she was still coming over and helping her prepare.

Kelly wrote:Gemma, in Tachyon's last video, is on the phone to someone saying that Lucy's methods won't work on Bree. Why would Lucy's methods be the be all and end all of the Order's plans?

Gemma didn't say "Lucy's methods," though. She just said "Clearly, this approach won't work with Bree." By "this approach"... well, I don't know what she meant. Perhaps the "I" in "Aphid"? She did ask if the "D" isn't an option.

It's really hard to discuss any possibility because we really don't have any idea who to trust apart from maybe Bree and Daniel, who know next to nothing.

Lucy was Bree's personal helper in preparing for the ceremony, and had pictures of Daniel spying on them on her computer. Bree also mentioned there that she was still coming over and helping her prepare.

If she was working against the order and their use of Bree in whatever they had/have planned, then she would be just as likely to stick close to Bree after the fake ceremony if she had any inkling that something wasn't right...plus, it's totally possible that Lucy was completely aware of the fakeness of the ceremony, even if she wasn't involved. The pictures of Daniel don't mean she isn't working against the order, at least secretly, because no one really wants him around, the order or otherwise...

if Operation APHID is part The Order (her religion) wouldn't the Watchers be connected to both?

It has only been implied that Op. APHID is a part of the Order, but it hasn't been told to us flat out. Even if it IS confirmed by anyone who would, or might have that kind of knowledge (Gemma, Lucy, Tachyon, Jonas?), how could we know whether or not to take their claim at face value.

I'm kind of looking for an explanation for why Bree was so adamant about the fact that this whole thing was a legitimate religion for the first large chunk of videos just for Gemma to go "Oh, and by the way, it's not really a religion at all." Unless...she's lying about that too...? O_O

Plus, I just like the idea of two (or more?) groups having a bit of an underground war for control? Power? Money? I mean, the authorities are probably involved, why not the government? I'm not expecting the creators to take it that far, but the implication would be cool. Like Rosemary's Baby, except without the baby, or satan...so more like Conspiracy Theory...er...with a cult? Lol.

Kelly wrote:

Lucy was Bree's personal helper in preparing for the ceremony, and had pictures of Daniel spying on them on her computer. Bree also mentioned there that she was still coming over and helping her prepare.

If she was working against the order and their use of Bree in whatever they had/have planned, then she would be just as likely to stick close to Bree after the fake ceremony if she had any inkling that something wasn't right...plus, it's totally possible that Lucy was completely aware of the fakeness of the ceremony, even if she wasn't involved. The pictures of Daniel don't mean she isn't working against the order, at least secretly, because no one really wants him around, the order or otherwise...

My point about the pictures was more that it fits with what Bree said in reference to who told her to lie about the ceremony: "The people that were preparing me for the ritual, they found out that he'd been filming us. They told me to lie and pretend that the ceremony was the other night..."

I'm just saying that since we know Lucy was the one most closely preparing Bree for the ceremony and since we know that specifically Lucy found out that Daniel was spying on them, when Bree says "The people who were preparing me for the ceremony found out about Daniel and told me to lie" it implies that Lucy was one of the people who told her to do it, especially since she's still coming over and helping her prepare afterward.

Kelly wrote:I'm kind of looking for an explanation for why Bree was so adamant about the fact that this whole thing was a legitimate religion for the first large chunk of videos just for Gemma to go "Oh, and by the way, it's not really a religion at all." Unless...she's lying about that too...? O_O

I think the standing theory has been that there is an actual religion, but that this group of Elders/Deacons/whatever is either a branch of that religion or a group that is masquerading as a branch of the religion. There's also the possibility that they have their fingers in multiple religions.