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The Watcher symbol looks very similar to the Egyptian ideogram for weeping.


Check out this link write here:
(scroll down to symbol)

http://graphicdesign.sfcc.spokane.cc.wa ... istory.htm


I'm not sure how this connected to the Watchers - but there have been other Egyptian references - it seems a lot more similar than eye of Horus:

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onetruegnome wrote:The Watcher symbol looks very similar to the Egyptian ideogram for weeping.


Check out this link write here:
(scroll down to symbol)

http://graphicdesign.sfcc.spokane.cc.wa ... istory.htm


I'm not sure how this connected to the Watchers - but there have been other Egyptian references - it seems a lot more similar than eye of Horus:

http://www.greatscott.com/hiero/eye.html[/img]

I would say that is it, the watcher symbol is just more crudely drawn.

"I would say that is it, the watcher symbol is just more crudely drawn."

Rather, the Watcher symbol is missing the ideogram for "eyebrow."

Actually, the three-legged bottom of the symbol looks more like the symbol for the international hi-IQ organization, Mensa.

Keeping in mind that this is all fictional, we might speculate that it involves artificially raising IQs (through injections) and righting the wrongs of the world that cause sadness....

As for whether Nikki is involved, well, I'd said the odds are fairly overwhelming. Unless the writers are actually incorporating extraneous material, which is doubtful.

Lord Balto wrote:"I would say that is it, the watcher symbol is just more crudely drawn."

Rather, the Watcher symbol is missing the ideogram for "eyebrow."

Actually, the three-legged bottom of the symbol looks more like the symbol for the international hi-IQ organization, Mensa.

Keeping in mind that this is all fictional, we might speculate that it involves artificially raising IQs (through injections) and righting the wrongs of the world that cause sadness....

As for whether Nikki is involved, well, I'd said the odds are fairly overwhelming. Unless the writers are actually incorporating extraneous material, which is doubtful.

Thanks for clarifying that; by crudely I meant "forgot the eyebrow"

As for the mensa symbol theory , I like it. Creators take note! We could totally put trainer's Illuminati theories out of business.

But an eye in place of a globe on top of a round table? Hmmm
I don't know......................

sparkybennett wrote:We could totally put trainer's Illuminati theories out of business.

Not as long as there's a breath of life left in me!

"Sorry, I haven't gotten to your Illuminati theory yet. Is this the Robert Anton Wilson version of the Illuminati or the REAL Illuminati?

Lord Balto wrote:"Sorry, I haven't gotten to your Illuminati theory yet. Is this the Robert Anton Wilson version of the Illuminati or the REAL Illuminati?

I use Illuminati as a blanket interpretation of the "Master Organization" of which the Order is a part of. Similar to how they are portrayed in other pieces of fiction. There are elements of historical societies tied together with completely fictional stuff pulled from conspiracy websites (though I try to stay away from the "reptilian" and "alien" references ).

The Illuminati can be anything for the purpose of fiction and it can all be tied to real historical events.

That's what make the Illuminati such a perfect fit for this story - they're so damned flexible.

"But an eye in place of a globe on top of a round table? Hmmm
I don't know......................"

Not really a theory. Just looking at where the symbol may have come from, consciously or unconsciously. We have to distinguish between the plot and the creator of the plot here. What the symbol means in the story isn't necessarily what it means to the writer....

The way I see it there are two threads operating here:

1) On the one hand, we have the obvious reference by Gemmers to studying Egyptian, hence the hieroglyph "an eye weeping" or "to cry." Here I'm using Budge's Egyptian Language.

2) On the other, we have the obvious reference to "Watchers," hence the eye as a symbol for watching. Of course, there's no explanation of why they are watching. It occurs to me, after rereading Fowles' The Magus recently, that they may be a metaphor for those of us watching the show.

Then again, soap operas are sometimes referred to as "tear jerkers." I'm trying to ignore that implication....

I use Illuminati as a blanket interpretation of the "Master Organization" of which the Order is a part of. Similar to how they are portrayed in other pieces of fiction. There are elements of historical societies tied together with completely fictional stuff pulled from conspiracy websites (though I try to stay away from the "reptilian" and "alien" references Rolling Eyes ).

The Illuminati can be anything for the purpose of fiction and it can all be tied to real historical events.

That's what make the Illuminati such a perfect fit for this story - they're so damned flexible.

The reptilian and alien motifs are just distortions of the old stellar/sky religions, as are modern UFOs. But, yes, obviously they wouldn't have gotten into the whole Egyptian business if they weren't going for some kind of Egyptian-based secret society. The whole masonic movement, including The Golden Dawn and O.T.O., traces its origins to Egypt, though there is little actual evidence for this. Even the classical Greeks used this little ploy to add mystery to their secret organizations, but at least they had access to real Egyptian priests who were, sometimes, willing to let a few morsels drop from the table. So I suppose I really AM suggesting some kind of hybrid Masonic-Mensan type org.

Lord Balto wrote:

I use Illuminati as a blanket interpretation of the "Master Organization" of which the Order is a part of. Similar to how they are portrayed in other pieces of fiction. There are elements of historical societies tied together with completely fictional stuff pulled from conspiracy websites (though I try to stay away from the "reptilian" and "alien" references Rolling Eyes ).

The Illuminati can be anything for the purpose of fiction and it can all be tied to real historical events.

That's what make the Illuminati such a perfect fit for this story - they're so damned flexible.

The reptilian and alien motifs are just distortions of the old stellar/sky religions, as are modern UFOs. But, yes, obviously they wouldn't have gotten into the whole Egyptian business if they weren't going for some kind of Egyptian-based secret society. The whole masonic movement, including The Golden Dawn and O.T.O., traces its origins to Egypt, though there is little actual evidence for this. Even the classical Greeks used this little ploy to add mystery to their secret organizations, but at least they had access to real Egyptian priests who were, sometimes, willing to let a few morsels drop from the table. So I suppose I really AM suggesting some kind of hybrid Masonic-Mensan type org.

Only one organization is alleged to have ties to all the others you've mentioned. You've just ID'd the Illuminati.

Ah, you've changed your sig. Nice symbol. Corel Draw?

Just for the record, this is the Mensa symbol: http://www.mensa.org/

I looked up the Illuminati at Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati ) and the term originally referred to the Bavarian Illuminati of Adam Weishaupt. The organization lasted all of 10 years before being dissolved by the authorities. Everything since then seems to be mere speculation, their detractors having spread nasty rumors about them almost from the beginning. In fact, there is no evidence of their real existence after 1785. Of course, since this is a fictional tale, there's no reason the Order could not be related to the fictional Illuminati, so it's impossible to prove you wrong on historical grounds. I suppose the real problem is that once you broaden the definition to the point where it's virtually all inclusive, that definition ceases to have much real meaning. So it really doesn't matter whether the Order is "Illuminati" or not.

Lord Balto, you might wish to take a look at the illuminati thread, theres beeen a lot of research and discussion there, come join us!

OK, I will. By the way, it occurs to me the symbol may be a constructed hieroglyph, that is, one that doesn't actually exist but could exist following the principles of word formation. The eye without a brow means, among other things, "to see," "to look after something." And three vertical lines indicate the plural, so if I'm not just spinning my wheels here, the symbol would mean something like "watchers," perhaps some kind of insignia for an organized group.