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Thanks to Dr. Immant I've been researching quite a bit on these books and the philosopher behind them, Ptolemy.

At first I began questioning him about the quote that was on his profile:
"destiny is no more then a mathematical equation utilizing astrological data."

I didn't get very far in the chat, but with a simple private message I got a little further.

He told me to re-read his profile. I came to discover the Tertabiblos, as I couldn't quite hear very well on his video what the books were called.
I did some research on the books, as well as listened to his short (and I mean very short) synopsis of the four books.

Basically the books are the application of horscoptic astrology (like the zodiac) to natural philosphy of his (Ptolemy's) time. Basically, from what I understand, everything on earth is ultimately ruled by mathimatical equations that correspond with the movements of planets, stars and the moon (as the zodiac dictates). (I hope my wording is correct in this...)

Ptolemy's theories and teachings are really interesting if you are interested in the zodiac. I'm currently reading an online version of the books that you can find HERE.

anyways...
before I got too far into it, I started thinking about the basics of Ptolemy's teachings. I tried to think of it from a point of view that Dr. Immant was posting about in his profile.

Basically what I came up with was the following (this is a direct quote from an email I sent to Immant):

sent to Dr Immant November 17, 2006
to determine a certain role/occuption in the order, a certain astrological equation must match with the certain individual.

so your occupation within the order/your life was predetermined by the astrological equation that corresponds with your date and place of birth (possibly your parents as well??)

So, concerning the ceremony, it takes place in a certain place, during a certain time due to astrological data? Bree was choose because of her corrisponding data? Lucy was choosen due to her astrologicl data? Am I grabbing at rungs that are collapsing? haha


If this is the case, then there is a pre-determined formula to follow. What is the formula (like you can really tell me)? And does this mean the meaning of life can easily be figured out by your astrological data and where you were born?

Now this of course was just ramblings off the top of my head, but I think I hit on something, as me and Immant have been talking quite a bit about the significance of the teachings of Ptolemy.

Now I think I might have come up with a bit more.. but I'm going to sit on it for a little bit and let it sink in. I want to make sure what I'm thinking makes sense, before even talking about it...

Thank's Dr. Immant for introducing me to Ptolemy! He is really interesting! And thank you for suggesting I post about him, and my theory to open up a discussion!

OMG!!!!!!

when i asked about this, you said it was the stupidest thing i have ever seen and now u started a whole thread about it?

psssshhhhhtttt women!!

i'm josh on that thing btw lol

lol that is because Dr Immant comes out right and says it on his profile and videos on youtube that he was talking about the Tetrabiblos!!!
lol
i said your question was the stupidest thing I've seen...and it was a joke

anyways...

synopsise of the books from amazon.co.uk

Synopsis
Claudius Ptolemy (c.100 - c.178 AD), of Alexandria, was one of the greatest philosopher/scientists of the ancient world. Among his books are the Almagest, Geography, Optics, Planispherium and Tetrabiblos. The earliest surviving version of Tetrabiblos is the paraphrase attributed to Proclus the Philosopher (412-485). Tetrabiblos (literally, "four books") was long thought to be a complete survey of Greek astrology. Recent research suggests this not to be the case, but Ptolemy's work remains the foundation of western astrology. In particular, his persuasive use of the Tropical Zodiac, rather than the Sidereal, changed western astrology forever. Book 1 of Tetrabiblos defines various technical terms and supplies other information needed by the astrologer. Chapters 9, 10 and 11 detail the influence of fixed stars in various constellations. Book 2 is the astrology of nations and their rulers. Books 3 & 4 are devoted to Natal Astrology. Book 3, chapter 2, explains Ptolemy's method of rectifying the Ascendant. Chapter 10 gives a method for determining life expectancy. Book 4 deals with wealth, rank, employment, marriage, children, death, etc. Published editions of Tetrabiblos traditionally include extracts from the Almagest (a compendium of Greek astronomy), as well as "Ptolemy's Centiloquy," a list of aphorisms, the authorship of which is disputed. Many of the 100 deal with horary astrology. They have been studied by astrologers for centuries. Translations: Gardner (1911) lists four English translations of Tetrabiblos. The first was by John Walley, 1701. The second was Walley's translation, edited by Sibley and Brown, 1786, which is said to be worthless. The third, by James Wilson (author of the famous Dictionary of Astrology), was published in 1820. The fourth (this one, by far the best), was by J.M. Ashmand, 1822. A fifth translation was made in 1940 by F.E. Robbins. Of these several translators, only Ashmand could claim to be both a Greek and Latin scholar as well as an experienced astrologer. We are honored to present Ashmand's translation to a new generation of students. Ashmand's dedication is to Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832), author of Waverly, an historical novel about the Scots rebellion of 1745. To Ptolemy's text, Ashmand adds his own preface, as well as a note on Mr. Ranger's Zodiacal Planisphere. Every serious astrologer, from the 3rd century to the present, has studied the Tetrabiblos. With the current revival of traditional astrology, it remains essential reading.

Killthesmiley wrote:lol that is because Dr Immant comes out right and says it on his profile and videos on youtube that he was talking about the Tetrabiblos!!!
lol
i said your question was the stupidest thing I've seen...and it was a joke

well sorry i dont follow the videos of a creepy bald guy pretending to be in a cult

Another thing that i forgot to mention was that Ptolemy played around with Long and lat:

Ptolemy's other main work is his Geographia. This too is a compilation of what was known about the world's geography in the Roman Empire during his time. He relied mainly on the work of an earlier geographer, Marinos of Tyre, and on gazetteers of the Roman and ancient Persian Empire, but most of his sources beyond the perimeter of the Empire were unreliable.

The first part of the Geographia is a discussion of the data and of the methods he used. Like with the model of the solar system in the Almagest, Ptolemy put all this information into a grand scheme. He assigned coordinates to all the places and geographic features he knew, in a grid that spanned the globe. Latitude was measured from the equator, as it is today, but Ptolemy preferred to express it as the length of the longest day rather than degrees of arc (the length of the midsummer day increases from 12h to 24h as you go from the equator to the polar circle). He put the meridian of 0 longitude at the most western land he knew, the Canary Islands.

They seem to play that theme a lot.

For more information search Wikipedia for him. There is quite a bit of information there that some what corresponds with the all the series.

Thanks for the info smiles

Killthesmiley wrote:Thank's Dr. Immant for introducing me to Ptolemy! He is really interesting! And thank you for suggesting I post about him, and my theory to open up a discussion!

Wow...I'm not ready to spend the amount of time you have on this, but I did read your post, and it's really interesting. I was really intrigued by Immant's latest video too. We're led back to astrology... But what will this mean for Bree? Are you saying she's somehow predetermined by birth to be in the ceremony?

It does appear she has a watch symbol birthmark... interesting. I wonder how Immant's videos are going to fit in!

Broken Kid wrote:

Killthesmiley wrote:Thank's Dr. Immant for introducing me to Ptolemy! He is really interesting! And thank you for suggesting I post about him, and my theory to open up a discussion!

Wow...I'm not ready to spend the amount of time you have on this, but I did read your post, and it's really interesting. I was really intrigued by Immant's latest video too. We're led back to astrology... But what will this mean for Bree? Are you saying she's somehow predetermined by birth to be in the ceremony?

It does appear she has a watch symbol birthmark... interesting. I wonder how Immant's videos are going to fit in!

that is exactly what I'm saying.
The reason why she might have been choosen is because of this astrological equation.
If this is the direction we are looking into, then it kind of solidifies that mystical power that bree holds for the order. She's kind of like "The Choosen One" type of idea.

Also Ptolemy desicribes how places also have corresponding astrological data...
Therefore the place of the ceremony was choosen because of this astrological data...

Killthesmiley wrote:that is exactly what I'm saying.
The reason why she might have been choosen is because of this astrological equation.
If this is the direction we are looking into, then it kind of solidifies that mystical power that bree holds for the order. She's kind of like "The Choosen One" type of idea.

Also Ptolemy desicribes how places also have corresponding astrological data...
Therefore the place of the ceremony was choosen because of this astrological data...

That would certainly explain the emphasis on longitude... and the diversity of the locations on Lucy's computer...

But if Bree was chosen by birth, so were all the other girls? That's kind of strange... after all, Gemma knew a girl who did the ceremony, so it wasn't that long ago...

Unless they're not SURE who's really chosen, so they keep doing the ceremony with different girls who fit certain criteria until they find the chosen one. Maybe they don't know Bree is ... special-er.

Broken Kid wrote:

Killthesmiley wrote:that is exactly what I'm saying.
The reason why she might have been choosen is because of this astrological equation.
If this is the direction we are looking into, then it kind of solidifies that mystical power that bree holds for the order. She's kind of like "The Choosen One" type of idea.

Also Ptolemy desicribes how places also have corresponding astrological data...
Therefore the place of the ceremony was choosen because of this astrological data...

That would certainly explain the emphasis on longitude... and the diversity of the locations on Lucy's computer...

But if Bree was chosen by birth, so were all the other girls? That's kind of strange... after all, Gemma knew a girl who did the ceremony, so it wasn't that long ago...

Unless they're not SURE who's really chosen, so they keep doing the ceremony with different girls who fit certain criteria until they find the chosen one. Maybe they don't know Bree is ... special-er.

well with astrology it is poosibly for the equation to be replicated...so it's not unique to everyone.
So when Gemma was discussing this person, she said she knew her when she was like 9 or 10. Now she's 19...so 10 years ago.
So what I'm thinking that the astrological data lines up for the person of the ceremony, date of the ceremony, place and time line up every so often (10 year intervals?)

Or what you said could very well be possible, as there is no known original copy of Ptolemy's Tetrabiblios. Things have been lost and gained in translation.
(but Immant has hinted that the ORder claims to have an original copy)
So their lack of knowledge on the acurate equation to correspond with what they want to accomplish might no be exactly known...

Hope you don't mind me jumping in. "Ptolemy" was also a "code name" used for the wife of one of the original founders of the Bavarian Illuminati.

Their correspondence can be found here:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/map/illumi ... mbers.html

Here is an excerpt which references "Ptolemy", "the girls", "rituals", "insignificant ceremonies" and "the Order". All the names are code for real people.

Minos to Sebastian
"The proposal of Hercules to establish a Minerval school for girls is excellent, but requires much circumspection. Philo and I have long conversed on this subject. We cannot improve the world without improving women, who have such a mighty influence on the men. But how shall we get hold of them? How will their relations, particularly their mothers, immersed in prejudice, consent that others shall influence their education?

We must begin with grown girls. Hercules proposes the wife of Ptolemy Magus. I have no objection, and I have four step-daughters, fine girls. The oldest in particular is excellent. She is twenty-four, has read much, is above all prejudices, and in religion she thinks as I do. It may immediately be a very pretty Society, under the management of Ptolemy's wife, but really under his management. You must contrive pretty degrees and dresses, and ornaments, and elegant and decent rituals. No man must be admitted. This will make them become more keen, and they will go much farther than if we were present, or than if they thought that we knew of their preceedings. Leave them to the scope of their own fancies, and they will soon invent mysteries which will put us to the blush, and create an enthusiasm which we can never equal. They will be our great apostles. Reflect on the respect, nay the awe and terror inspired by the female mystics of antiquity. (Think of the Danaids--think of the Theban Bacchantes.)

Ptolemy's wife must direct them, and she will be instructed by Ptolemy, and my step-daughters will consult with me. We must always be at hand to prevent the introduction of any improper question. We must prepare themes for their discussion--thus we shall confess them, and inspire them with our sentiments. No man however must come near them. This will fire their roving fancies and we may expect rare mysteries. But I am doubtful whether this Association will be durable. Women are fickle and impatient. Nothing will please them but hurrying from degree to degree, through a heap of insignificant ceremonies, which will soon lose their novelty and influence. To rest seriously in one rank, and to be still and silent when they have found out that the whole is a cheat is a task of which they are incapable. They have not our motives to perservere for years, allowing themselves to be led about, and even then to hold their tongues when they find out that they have been decieved. Nay there is a risk that they may take into their heads to give things an opposite turn, and then, by voluptuous allurements, heightened by affected modesty and decency, which give them an irresistable empire over the best men, they may turn our Order upside down, and in their turn will lead the new one."

As a side note: Has anyone noticed the symbolism at the end of Immant's videos?

trainer101 wrote:As a side note: Has anyone noticed the symbolism at the end of Immant's videos?

Yeah...and without posting 10,000 words about it (I jest!), what does it mean?

trainer101 wrote:Hope you don't mind me jumping in. "Ptolemy" was also a "code name" used for the wife of one of the original founders of the Bavarian Illuminati.

Their correspondence can be found here:
http://www.freedomdomain.com/map/illumi ... mbers.html

Here is an excerpt which references "Ptolemy", "the girls", "rituals", "insignificant ceremonies" and "the Order". All the names are code for real people.

Minos to Sebastian
"The proposal of Hercules to establish a Minerval school for girls is excellent, but requires much circumspection. Philo and I have long conversed on this subject. We cannot improve the world without improving women, who have such a mighty influence on the men. But how shall we get hold of them? How will their relations, particularly their mothers, immersed in prejudice, consent that others shall influence their education?

We must begin with grown girls. Hercules proposes the wife of Ptolemy Magus. I have no objection, and I have four step-daughters, fine girls. The oldest in particular is excellent. She is twenty-four, has read much, is above all prejudices, and in religion she thinks as I do. It may immediately be a very pretty Society, under the management of Ptolemy's wife, but really under his management. You must contrive pretty degrees and dresses, and ornaments, and elegant and decent rituals. No man must be admitted. This will make them become more keen, and they will go much farther than if we were present, or than if they thought that we knew of their preceedings. Leave them to the scope of their own fancies, and they will soon invent mysteries which will put us to the blush, and create an enthusiasm which we can never equal. They will be our great apostles. Reflect on the respect, nay the awe and terror inspired by the female mystics of antiquity. (Think of the Danaids--think of the Theban Bacchantes.)

Ptolemy's wife must direct them, and she will be instructed by Ptolemy, and my step-daughters will consult with me. We must always be at hand to prevent the introduction of any improper question. We must prepare themes for their discussion--thus we shall confess them, and inspire them with our sentiments. No man however must come near them. This will fire their roving fancies and we may expect rare mysteries. But I am doubtful whether this Association will be durable. Women are fickle and impatient. Nothing will please them but hurrying from degree to degree, through a heap of insignificant ceremonies, which will soon lose their novelty and influence. To rest seriously in one rank, and to be still and silent when they have found out that the whole is a cheat is a task of which they are incapable. They have not our motives to perservere for years, allowing themselves to be led about, and even then to hold their tongues when they find out that they have been decieved. Nay there is a risk that they may take into their heads to give things an opposite turn, and then, by voluptuous allurements, heightened by affected modesty and decency, which give them an irresistable empire over the best men, they may turn our Order upside down, and in their turn will lead the new one."

As a side note: Has anyone noticed the symbolism at the end of Immant's videos?

i've been curious about the symbols at the end of his videos...

Does it correspond with your Illuminati information?

The pyramid with the eye is the symbol of the Illuminati (that's why it's my avatar). The other symbols are various government organizations that conspiricy theorists believe are controlled by the Illuminati. You can find similar symbols all over the Internet - just search "Illuminati symbols". They're everywhere.