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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:27 am
by DontHaveAClue
I am honestly surprised and trully sad.

Still this discussion has nothing to do here. If you want to continue it, you may contact me by pm. However, I have to warn you about regularity, and I might not answer your questions.
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:33 am
by SarawithouttheH
Could be why Bree doesn't respond like other people.
...many parts of total mind-controlled slaves are never meant to have feelings, or if the parts do, they repressed, suppress, and dissociate their feelings. Our emotions play a fundamental role in a person’s moral life. They transform values into actions. This is what is called strength of will, courage of convictions, etc. Emotions play a critical role in strength of will and courage of convictions. To be stripped of feeling emotions, strips the victim of one of the ingredients to make and carry out moral choices. This helps explain why emotions are harnessed so completely by the programmers. When researchers have studied unemotional people, they find that their dealings with others are shallow, lifeless, and mechanical. The programmers want their programmed assassins, espionage agents, prostitutes, etc. to be mechanical. People rarely want to form friendships with unemotional persons. Of course, the parts that are created to interface with the public are programmed to be effacious, gracious, and to sparkle. But the deeper parts which influence the victim’s own internal thoughts, which the victim wisely keeps to himself, fail to connect with the outside world emotionally. Having been stripped of emotions, the slave is consequently stripped of one of the most important ingredients involved in morality. An unemotional or emotionally deficient person or alter may suffer from a particular kind of a "morally-weak will". This is because failure to do what a person believes is good and failure to restrain from doing what one believes is bad is a natural consequence of lacking emotions such as care, concern, compassion, courage, love and sympathy. Certain emotions are critical for doing and being moved to do what is right and in not doing what one knows is bad. Friendships are one of the most valuable commodities a person can have. The victim is stripped of external friendships. They may substitute interactions within their own internal world as a way to substitute for this loss. In normal human activity, two people in love entertwine the activities of their lives into the complex whole of their love relationship. A walk together is not seen as a walk, but as a joint expression of their relationship. Humans emotionally value what is good for their friends and lovers. Without emotional attachments, the relationship is only a facade. The victims of mind-control are taught how to create great facades. Unfortunately, they fool many of their therapists, and therefore don’t step out of the make-believe roles they play out. Human love and friendship is one of the most vital, powerful, fundamentally good items of human behavior. They provide the foundation for many other things. Without love and friendship, the victim’s alters live in isolation, alienation, abandonement, discontinuity, and purposelessness. Cisco’s half of the book will discuss some specific programming tactcs that are used to hide the "shadow" alters that are used to take any emotions that the principally used alters might develop. What we have been covering is that one of the side effects of "stripping" the victims from feeling emotions is to cripple them from taking moral stands, from seeing love & concern in the world around them, and from reaching out & forming ties to the outside world.
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:54 am
by SarawithouttheH
Programmers sometimes use codes, handshakes, grips, signals and cues. Often times words are used
If a de-programmer observes closely the word usage of the victim, you will begin to spot power words of the abuser (programmer). Unfortunately, people who are not initiated into the arcane world of handshakes, grips, codes, signals and cues allow the appearance of these things to be interpreted from their own frame of reference. Usually, because these events are not perceived as being significant, outsiders forget them immediately and therefore remain oblivious to some of the most overt clues.
Some of the most popular trigger words used are
Beast, Turtle, and Boa. Probably has no relevance but something to keep in mind.
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:35 am
by silvermoon
Here's a thought on the mind control issue. What if the reason Bree takes her animals so seriously is because they were used as a "focus" somehow when she was a little girl to brain wash her? Remember how Lucy told her that it was ok for her to keep them as friends? Maybe some part of her was trying to seperate from them and the order had to reinforce their power over her.
Just a thought.
Edit to add: a person who is brainwashed is sometimes called a sock puppet. Still searching for more info.
Oooh, and one of the levels of programming is called "Gamma". Gamma...Gemma.....hmmmm.
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:25 am
by silvermoon
Not that this really has anything to do with the plot, but I found it a facinating Illuminati factoid, so I thought I'd share with my fellow conspiracy theory nuts.
A prime example of how subliminal programming works is by looking at the recent Disney cinematic sensation Pochahontas, curiously billed as their “33rd” (highest degree in Scottish Rite Freemasonry) animated movie. In the movie, Grandmother Willow is a mystical 400 year old tree who counsels the motherless Pochahontas to listen to her heart and help her realize all the answers lie within. Grandmother Willow is constantly talking in “double-speak” and using “reversals” (i.e. “Sometimes the right path is not the easiest one”; the esoteric derivative being: the left path [the path that leads to destruction] is the easiest one. In Illuminati Structured MPD Systems, the willow tree represents the occultic powers of Druidism.
I have the strange urge to go throw away my daughter's Pochahontas video. Along with every Disney movie in the house!
A bit more on the subject:
A partial list of other mediums used to reinforce base programming are:
Pinnochio, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, The Lion King, E. T., Star Wars, Ghost Busters, Trancers II, Batman, Bewitched, Fantasy Island, Reboot, Tiny Toons, Duck Tails, The Dead Sea Scrolls and The Tall Book of Make Believe. A few movies which depict or portray some aspect of MONARCH programming are Hell raiser 3, Raising Cain, Labyrinth, Telefon, Johnny Mneumonic, Point of No Return, The Lawnmower Man and Closet Land.
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:28 am
by Kasdeja
Labyrinth?

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:45 am
by silvermoon
Kasdeja wrote:Labyrinth?

Scary isn't it?

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:03 am
by storyteller
I just finished reading this entire discussion thread and I have to say that, while I was pretty skeptical at first, I think there isn't much of a choice to believe that the illuminati are being referenced here.
Some questions I hope to have time to research:
1. Are birthmarks hereditary and what bloodline would the illuminati be interesteed in (besides the whole DaVinci Code thing...)
2. Is there significance to the birthmark being on the middle of her lower back/what significance could there be in the watcher mark being on the hand (this has already been discussed, but there might be other bodily locations that we might need to think about)
3. Are there other clues in older videos that we might not have paid attention to? (this one could take a while)
4. Specifically, what could the ceremony be? What would it's purpose be, and what role would Bree play in that ceremony?
If anyone has done any research on any of these before, please feel free to point me to it!
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:09 am
by DontHaveAClue
storyteller wrote:
If anyone has done any research on any of these before, please feel free to point me to it!
Storyteller, do not believe everything you read in this thread. It's mainly doing research on crazy stuff and connecting elements that are not connected to create at the end the sense of a whole super conspiracy with the Illuminati at the center of this mega-plan to rule the world. It's all fictional. But you are welcome to play along. Trainer has been really efficient creating this theory with all the elements he brought in there....
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:13 am
by silvermoon
Much of the "research" done on this and my mindcontroll thread are just craziness picked up on the internet (though some of the mind controll stuff comes from actual government reports. There really was a MKULTRA project in the 50's)
We are just stringing along theories, conspiracies and some actual facts to fit it into the LG15 story line. Proably much of it had nothing to do with what the creators have in mind for the story, but it's fun to research and try to find "clues" that fit what's happened/is happening.
None of it should be taken too seriously or be relied upon as concrete facts.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:17 am
by Kasdeja
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:19 am
by silvermoon
Kasdeja wrote:
Haven't left my chair to shop yet and must say, OMFG that is the coolest thing ever!
I'm totally stealing that and using it!
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:20 am
by Kasdeja
LOL, I saw it on photobucket and had to steal it, myself.

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:21 am
by DontHaveAClue
Kasdeja wrote:
WOW! Kas! Where did you find that? That's so cool!!!!
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:21 am
by Kasdeja