Making a Case for Glenn

[bethy]

Bethy is right...

I hate siglines. But if I had one....that'd be it.

[Michelle]

Back on topic of this thread: I'd ask people to refrain from demanding immediate satisfaction from the Creators.

AGREED. Let the Creators do what they need to do and leave them alone. They don't OWE us anything, and in a way, what they do about Glenn isn't really our business.

[bethy]

The Creators have not cleared a single thing up,

Not true, the Creators said he was no longer the PM for the ARG.

The means he was fired.

What's all the whining about?

Umm I'm sorry, but no. Glenn was always running OpAphid on the side. However, once it became canonized, they also further brought him into it as a full time writer. He was dismissed from the ARG, which everyone is fine with.

Yet, not only are totally unfounded rumors running wild about what he did or didn't do, there are more creditable rumors dripping down that he in fact WAS completely fired. This is of course despite the fact no further proof has come forward besides what has already been published.
The Creators NEED to let us know and stop following with us IF they have any more information and if not then WHY are the rumors circulating that he is indeed completely fired.

Whatever the case, there is no doubt there were at least some ridiculous and out of line exaggerated claims slung at Glenn and his reputation is in the toilet. The Creators inability to respond to any of this only makes him look worse by the day while they sit back letting it happen. I believe it is actually indeed their intention to fire him as the rumors say he has been completely, but instead of announcing it they are letting him get crushed under the weight of the imflammatory speculation.

Actually, I have to disagree with you here. The Creators hired him. They were his boss. While they want to be open with the fans, the professional relationship they have is none of our damn business. The Creators have already ruled on the part of the series that has the impact on the fans--the ARG. As you said, there's no dispute there.

His professional relationship with them as far as in a creative role is of no concern to us. The details are none of our business. The series isn't a public entity. They're a private business and the decisions they make are for the good of their business. Glenn was the one who agreed to the merge...and since we don't know of the details...I assume they are private. Just like what he will or will no longer be doing in a creative role for the series is probably private.

What's next? You guys demanding to know how much they're paying the actors?

If Glenn wants to pop on and tell us? Fine. If the Creators do...fine. But until they do, it's none of our business. They felt is necessary to remove him as PM...and that's enough for me.

[horcruxes]

bethy, i apologize but this isn't a thread to argue your endless opinions. it is meant to show support for glenn and talking about the contributions glenn has made to LG15.

it'd be nice if you could take your endless opinions to PMs or somewhere else on the forums.

thanks. just like your request to re-size the avatars is going to be taken seriously. please respect my request. (i'm re-sizing this avatar as we speak)

[Ziola]

Actually, I have to disagree with you here. The Creators hired him. They were his boss. While they want to be open with the fans, the professional relationship they have is none of our damn business. The Creators have already ruled on the part of the series that has the impact on the fans--the ARG. As you said, there's no dispute there.

His professional relationship with them as far as in a creative role is of no concern to us. The details are none of our business. The series isn't a public entity. They're a private business and the decisions they make are for the good of their business. Glenn was the one who agreed to the merge...and since we don't know of the details...I assume they are private. Just like what he will or will no longer be doing in a creative role for the series is probably private.

What's next? You guys demanding to know how much they're paying the actors?

If Glenn wants to pop on and tell us? Fine. If the Creators do...fine. But until they do, it's none of our business. They felt is necessary to remove him as PM...and that's enough for me.

Dear God...I just agreed with Bethy. Who could have predicted that happening

Well said dear.

[ApotheosisAZ]

I must mention that The Creators have already informed us that they intend to release such a statement.

We ask that you please do not discuss these issues or make claims about Glenn based on conjecture. Please respect us while we gather information and come to a decision. We will be posting a formal statement as soon as possible.

So, conjecture on whether or not it is appropriate that they do so is irrelevant.

I am responsible for reminding people that this topic was created, as HyeMew clarified, for the purpose of calling for a quick and fair resolution.

Thank you for your attention.

[bethy]

BTW...I just read what the Creators said in their statement here.

If I'd read that before I wouldn't have posted in this thread. For that I'm sorry. I think we pretty much need to follow their direction and not discuss it anymore.

I won't ask that this thread be locked. I hate when people do that...and I don't believe in it. But, the big guys have spoken...again...and I'd hope that everyone would respect it.

[bethy]

Apo.... What timing.


But I'll add that while this thread is under the guise of "supporting" Glenn, it's got a very different tone to me, and the Creators asked us not to discuss it. To me, that means not discussing it. Period.

Dear God...I just agreed with Bethy. Who could have predicted that happening

Oh, dear. Let's not let that happen again.

[milowent]

Here's a story about my early days as an attorney (be patient, I'll get around to the point eventually):

wait, no Summary Of Argument up front?

hyemew, the "Dauntless Dean of All Lg15 Fans" per the NY Times will always be hyemew, god love him.

BK -- i will fix my avatar now, no prob.

[ApotheosisAZ]

I know that our illustrious Forum Administrator thanks all of you for your adherence to the policy regarding the size of avatars.

Please reference my new one if you need to be able to judge the needed size.

Back on topic, let's all concentrate on HyeMew's request that the issue be resolved quickly and fairly.

[HyeMew]

Back on topic, let's all concentrate on HyeMew's request that the issue be resolved quickly and fairly.

Thank you. I think everyone can agree that there is at least something the Creators can say to put some of the rumors to rest. They don't need to release their final definitive decision, but there are so many rumors (including what I believe to be a creditiable one that Glenn is COMPLETELY fired even though he is not guilty of anything beyond what we already know) flying around. Many people have terrible misconceptions about what's going on and what Glenn has done, and I think the Creators are in the position to at least clear some things up even if they are not ready to issue a formal statement.
I stand by my assertion that until then Glenn has been and will continue to be getting a raw deal and I feel an employee deserves better from his bosses (not what someone else argued that Glenn being their employee means he is at their mercy.)

[ApotheosisAZ]

I understand that it's frustrating not to know. But the creators JUST said they will give a statement as soon as possible. They have their radio show tomorrow, my guess is they will say something before then to stop everyone from calling, or chatting in asking questions about it, or make a statement during the show. Considering they JUST said that they will give a response as soon as they can, I think we need to be patient they aren't ignoring us, they are just trying to work threw things.

Pardon me for only quoting part of your post, ShardinsKitten. I do have to disagree with this part.

If The Creators decided that was the appropriate timing for their announcement, I think that some critics might suggest that they were using this unfortunate business to drum up listeners for their radio program, even though that program is obviously provided merely as a public service to their fans.

I seriously doubt that such an event will take place on the program. I must suggest instead that when The Creators say they will post their announcement as soon as possible, they literally mean they intend to post it as soon as possible.

[Languorous Lass]

Here's a story about my early days as an attorney (be patient, I'll get around to the point eventually):

wait, no Summary Of Argument up front?

Maybe I should have provided one, Milo. If I had, somebody besides you might have read my post.

I am responsible for reminding people that this topic was created, as HyeMew clarified, for the purpose of calling for a quick and fair resolution.

Here's my concern: how, other than censorship, is the rule about "only support Glenn in this thread" or "only support the creators in this thread" or "only present xyz position in this thread" to be enforced?

Free and fair discussion of a particular topic, in my view, necessarily includes debate about the pros and cons of that topic.

This issue goes beyond the present circumstances. It's a question about the very nature of this board.

Who, if anyone, made the determination that it was appropriate to demand allegiance to a particular viewpoint in a thread? And was that determination ever debated by the members of the forum?

If I'd been around for that debate, I would have argued strenuously against the idea.

[milowent]

Here's my concern: how, other than censorship, is the rule about "only support Glenn in this thread" or "only support the creators in this thread" or "only present xyz position in this thread" to be enforced?

Free and fair discussion of a particular topic, in my view, necessarily includes debate about the pros and cons of that topic.

This issue goes beyond the present circumstances. It's a question about the very nature of this board.

Who, if anyone, made the determination that it was appropriate to demand allegiance to a particular viewpoint in a thread? And was that determination ever debated by the members of the forum?

I think we are all suffering from what caused hyemew to start this thread. the matter needs some closure. no one wants this to be the subject of the radio show today.

[Ziola]

Here's my concern: how, other than censorship, is the rule about "only support Glenn in this thread" or "only support the creators in this thread" or "only present xyz position in this thread" to be enforced?

Free and fair discussion of a particular topic, in my view, necessarily includes debate about the pros and cons of that topic.

This issue goes beyond the present circumstances. It's a question about the very nature of this board.

Who, if anyone, made the determination that it was appropriate to demand allegiance to a particular viewpoint in a thread? And was that determination ever debated by the members of the forum?

If I'd been around for that debate, I would have argued strenuously against the idea.

Lass put it beautifully. Why is it that people can make threads in support of Glenn and his work on LG but if someone posts something negative, or starts a thread that isn't all flowers and rainbows, it is locked? That is the problem that I am having with this whole issue right now. I don't have a problem with their desire to support Glenn, what I have a problem with is the fact that no one can really say they don't support him without being jumped all over.