Response to "Forum Rule Update: moderators actions"

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

I'm just glad I'm not a moderator. I like expressing opinions. And I think the fact that moderators aren't expected to totally blows.

Another thing I'd like to respond to is the very frequent "Well if the moderators didn't have issues, publicly complaining about moderators wouldn't be an issue either!" Uhm, hello. As I'm sure the Creators have learned this past year, it's impossible to please everyone. There will ALWAYS be issues with the moderators and such in any forum. That's why it is best to be flexible and experiment with rules and guidelines. This is not an attempt to silence you. It's an attempt to keep things peaceful on the forum and to respect the privacy of moderators. Obviously, this is just the internet, and to us the moderators are just cute little pictures and a username, but they are actually real people. They get angry, and they get insulted. Trainer has never stricken me as one to ignore grievances of fans. I think he is a fair guy. So are most of the moderators, which is why they are chosen. Hell, they are better leaders than the guys in the goddamn White House.. and they were VOTED for (supposedly ). Just chill out, everyone. This is supposed to be fun. If someone pisses you off, suck it up. The beautiful thing about the internet is that the computer screen won't be offended if you just turn around and walk away.

Anyway, I'm going to do just that now. Because I don't want to get in any heated arguments. If I made anyone angry, I'm sorry.. it sucks to be angry. So chill.

[silverblue]

Isn't that against the rules?

the rules are private. but i gather mod's are not supposed to respond if they get attacked in a post.

Minor correction: they were not supposed to respond. Now, there is no longer any reason for them to be tempted to do so. It is a good thing, protecting their integrity and authority.

This was hardly a private rule here in the past.

The Forum Administrator has always publicly advocated private measures in this regard.

Apo, shameless former mod.

I wasn't asking whether mods defending themselves was against the rules, I was asking if mods unlocking a thread locked by another mod, adding their own final reply, and then re-locking the thread was against the rules. But... I now understand that the rules aren't for me to know, so I won't ask about them anymore.

I was, however, asking HyeMew why he couldn't defend himself in a thread. I didn't realise then that mods aren't allowed to respond to criticisms about themselves.

[curiousGeorge]

I can tell you this...I won't be buying any Neutrogena to support this website until something is done about you-know-who. Conversely, I'll promise to go out and buy $50 worth of Neutrogena the minute this is taken care of permanently.

I am sure c's and the shareholders at Neutrogena are quaking in their boots at your threats to withhold financial support. This could indeed have financial repercussions the world over. I hear Bono has contacted the World Bank to arrange for a benefit concert to make up for the lost revenue.

Thanks for the heads up, I've shifted my 401k allocation to gold krugerands in anticipation of a world economic collapse.

[Taig]

Well isn't this the darndest thing...I actually posted a calm cool and rational comment in support of the rule change and I can't find it now.

hmmmmm

Well, I am certain it was an accident on someones part, it could even be that I thought I posted and didn't.

hmmmmm.....I'll try again but first allow me to admonish Curious George for his use of sarcasm in response to Longlostposters comment. Please CG use a little discretion LLP is a well respected member of this community having amassed an average post count of over 36 messages a day. Only someone with a sound mind and exceptional communication skills could be so prolific. According to my arithmetic that's like more than like - well it's alot so she must be really smart.

PLUS, if she stops using that Nutregena stuff and her skin stops being flawless and silky smooth and her hair gets dull and lifeless I'm going to be really mad

SO...

What's the problem with Trainer taking the lead and putting out fires before they get stupid?

Frankly, I enjoy a good flame out from time to time but apparently they aren't that much fun for everyone. I understand that and I can see where it can cause problems.

I think the current Czar (or Tsar if you wish) has some issues (with me in particular) but he and his companions keep things fairly tidy around here.

That's the problem now that I think of it (and I won't ramble too much here)

"Keeping things tidy". Real life is messy, honest opinions can be ugly. Irrational rants, insults and oddball remarks make things uncomfortable. If you want it tidy you'll have to put up with the housecleaning.

hmmm...I'll cogitate on this and get back to you. BTW if anyone sees my other post out there iin the ether could you let me know?

[Laurin_B]

I can tell you this...I won't be buying any Neutrogena to support this website until something is done about you-know-who. Conversely, I'll promise to go out and buy $50 worth of Neutrogena the minute this is taken care of permanently.

I am sure c's and the shareholders at Neutrogena are quaking in their boots at your threats to withhold financial support. This could indeed have financial repercussions the world over. I hear Bono has contacted the World Bank to arrange for a benefit concert to make up for the lost revenue.

Thanks for the heads up, I've shifted my 401k allocation to gold krugerands in anticipation of a world economic collapse.

There's no reason to get snippy. I think this is the kind of thing they're trying to avoid, and here we are perpetuating it. If we want the rules to be more flexible and open to user examination, we have to accept the responsibility to act accordingly. It's like our parents always told us. If you wanted to be treated responsibly, you have to act like it.

That being said, if you feel it necessary, you should invest in Krugerrands. In the immortal words of Yehvin from The Italian Job "this is our only refuge - gold."

[Samara]

Obviously, this is just the internet, and to us the moderators are just cute little pictures and a username, but they are actually real people. They get angry, and they get insulted.

And we, as "regular folk" do not?

This is supposed to be fun. If someone pisses you off, suck it up.

The same could be said for the moderators, too. Actually, they shouldn't even allow themselves to get pissed off or offended. They need to separate their emotions from their job. Yes, it can be done. Trust me...at the board I moderate, I am insulted at least 10 times a day with some pretty hurtful things. At this point, it's all repetitive bullshit anyway so I just ignore it. I don't let it bother me. I simply point out the rules and wash my hands of the situation...it works well.

But it only works because we have a much more visible process and solid guidelines. People have been asking for that here for many months...and it doesn't happen. The process becomes more and more convoluted instead -- that's a real step backward if you ask me.

[ApotheosisAZ]

I am sure c's and the shareholders at Neutrogena are quaking in their boots at your threats to withhold financial support. This could indeed have financial repercussions the world over. I hear Bono has contacted the World Bank to arrange for a benefit concert to make up for the lost revenue.

Thanks for the heads up, I've shifted my 401k allocation to gold krugerands in anticipation of a world economic collapse.

This seems a valid concern. However, having just visited the Neutrogena® website, I discovered that they also sell products for men.

I am off to purchase some of these fine products in an attempt to stave off the impending crisis. I am not certain if my solo effort will offset any losses.

I once again applaud the new policy here at the forum, and I also applaud trainer101 for his willingness to take on the additional tasks.

I sincerely hope this change makes all the moderator's time here less stressful.

[wintermute]

The same could be said for the moderators, too. Actually, they shouldn't even allow themselves to get pissed off or offended. They need to separate their emotions from their job.

That would be a valid argument if A) the Creators were doing the moderating themselves, or B) the moderators were hired hands. The Creators very rarely do any moderating themselves, and the moderators are fans like everyone else. That said, I think the moderators *do* keep their emotions fairly separate from their assigned task. Yeah, I've seen moderators let their emotions get the better of them at times - it happened to me at least once while I was a moderator - but the moderators are only human and doing this for the fun of it. They can't be expected to be perfect, and what a mighty boring place this would be if it were moderated by emotionless drones.

Also remember, the way other places are run is irrelevant. They are not the LG15 forums, and the LG15 forums are not them. If anyone is *that* upset about the moderation here, there is nothing stopping them from setting up their own fan site and running it as they see fit. If a critical mass of fans jumped ship to the new site, I'm sure the way things are run here would be rethought. Things have run fairly smoothly since they switched to phpBB, so I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon.

The fact that this conversation is allowed to continue should be proof enough that censorship isn't going to suddenly run rampant. If it were, we'd be staring at a locked thread

'mute

[longlostposter]

I can tell you this...I won't be buying any Neutrogena to support this website until something is done about you-know-who. Conversely, I'll promise to go out and buy $50 worth of Neutrogena the minute this is taken care of permanently.

I am sure c's and the shareholders at Neutrogena are quaking in their boots at your threats to withhold financial support. This could indeed have financial repercussions the world over. I hear Bono has contacted the World Bank to arrange for a benefit concert to make up for the lost revenue.

Thanks for the heads up, I've shifted my 401k allocation to gold krugerands in anticipation of a world economic collapse.

Neutrogena may not be quaking, CG, but I'm certain they don't spend their advertising dollars where they get no return on their investment.

[wintermute]

Neutrogena may not be quaking, CG, but I'm certain they don't spend their advertising dollars where they get no return on their investment.

Even though we don't exactly agree on the issue at hand, I a big fan of voting with my wallet, so I applaud you for it. If you want to make changes to the way things are, this is the way to do it. Enough people follow your lead and change will, in fact, occur. Except I think there will be no shortage of people willing to offset any losses in this particular case.

'mute

[longlostposter]

If anyone is *that* upset about the moderation here, there is nothing stopping them from setting up their own fan site and running it as they see fit. If a critical mass of fans jumped ship to the new site, I'm sure the way things are run here would be rethought. Things have run fairly smoothly since they switched to phpBB, so I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon.

Excellent point. I may just do that.

Even though we don't exactly agree on the issue at hand, I a big fan of voting with my wallet, so I applaud you for it. If you want to make changes to the way things are, this is the way to do it. Enough people follow your lead and change will, in fact, occur. Except I think there will be no shortage of people willing to offset any losses in this particular case.

'mute

Thank you for the applause, 'mute. You say we don't agree on the issue at hand, but I don't see where we disagree. Perhaps I need to go back and read the thread again.

As far as no shortage of people willing to offset the loss to Nuetrogena, here you are I disagree. I do think there will be a shortage of people to compensate for the loss; in fact, I think the purpose of advertising is to go into the plus area, not to break even.

Also...

Nuetrogena is not the only advertiser involved. I quite frequently bought products that were advertised on this website, and linked to them from here, but no more.

Anyone who has a question about how the advertising thing works, please PM me, or contact me on myspace.

[ApotheosisAZ]

Even though we don't exactly agree on the issue at hand, I a big fan of voting with my wallet, so I applaud you for it. If you want to make changes to the way things are, this is the way to do it. Enough people follow your lead and change will, in fact, occur. Except I think there will be no shortage of people willing to offset any losses in this particular case.

'mute

Indeed. Once some of the other men who enjoy participating here see that:

Neutrogena Men® Hydrating Eye Reviver soothes, hydrates and revitalizes tired, fatigued-looking eyes.

I suspect that the stores may not be able to keep enough of this truly excellent product in stock. The demand is likely to be too great.

Back on the topic of the latest policy change, I'd like to express my admiration towards the Forum Administrator for his dedication to the site in adopting the new policy here. He seems to really care about all the moderators wellness.

[Killthesmiley]

there have been some really good posts here that were deleted. None of them which specifically "bash" anyone, but use certain situations as examples of why this rule is now here and why there may be problems with this rule.

The posts that were deleted, straight out shouldn't have been deleted according to what Broken Kid said earlier. If you want us to have an open debate about this new policy, at least follow the policy within this debate please, so we can take the original policy that we are debating seriously.


ETA : there are certain posts that remain that DO in fact bash people and attack them that have stayed, after going through this thread.

[ApotheosisAZ]

there have been some really good posts here that were deleted. None of them which specifically "bash" anyone, but use certain situations as examples of why this rule is now here and why there may be problems with this rule.

I did not notice them, Kelly. My attention wandered, because I was busy shaving with my new Neutrogena Men® Skin Clearing Shave Cream.

I'd also like to express my gratitude to The Creators for making this new policy a part of their forum's rules.

I recommend participation at this site in much the same manner as dermatologists recommend Neutrogena® brand products.

[milowent]

If anyone is *that* upset about the moderation here, there is nothing stopping them from setting up their own fan site and running it as they see fit. If a critical mass of fans jumped ship to the new site, I'm sure the way things are run here would be rethought. Things have run fairly smoothly since they switched to phpBB, so I doubt that's gonna happen any time soon.

Excellent point. I may just do that.

No time like the present! Get cracking!

As far as no shortage of people willing to offset the loss to Nuetrogena, here you are I disagree. I do think there will be a shortage of people to compensate for the loss; in fact, I think the purpose of advertising is to go into the plus area, not to break even.

Also...

Nuetrogena is not the only advertiser involved. I quite frequently bought products that were advertised on this website, and linked to them from here, but no more.

Anyone who has a question about how the advertising thing works, please PM me, or contact me on myspace.

i agree, just today i used purchased some services from one of this site's advertisers to assist a friend.



and I REALLY hope that no one from neutrogena stumbles across this thread and gets dismayed by even a Boycott of One being contemplated for something completely unrelated to them.

Neutrogena Customer Services Rep: Thank you for callling Neutrogena, how can i help you.

LLP: I have a very serious complaint.

Neutrogena Customer Services Rep: Dismayed with brutal animal testing we conduct?

LLP:No.

Neutrogena Customer Services Rep: Investment in oppressive African regimes got you upset?

LLP: No.

Neutrogena Customer Services Rep: Concerned with our contribution to the unhealthy self-image of millions of females today?

LLP: No! Who cares about all that crap!

Neutrogena Customer Services Rep: OK, what's your complaint!

LLP: Actually, I'm complaining about a mod on the lonelygirl15.com forum who in my view has treated me wrong. Because of that, I am boycotting all your products.

Neutrogena Customer Services Rep: Um, Ok. I'd better put you through to our CEO, please hold ....

... My attention wandered, because I was busy shaving with my new Neutrogena Men® Skin Clearing Shave Cream.

.... where was i? i need to run to the drug store.