Making a Case for Glenn

Linc · Post by **Linc** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:28 pm

HyeMew wrote:
colbertnationgirl wrote:What is with all this defending Glenn? He broke the rules, he was fired. End of story.
Thanks for perfectly demonstrating exactly what I have been speaking against.
The Creators have not cleared a single thing up, and their silence only perpetuates the rumors I have been hearing that in fact he HAS been fired. This is despite the fact there does not seem to be anything creditable besides what has been published on the OpAphid blog.
We as fans and Glenn are owed better than this. Either the Creators HAVE evidence that makes Glenn worthy of being fired (though it doesn't seem like anything was actually done to deserve) that or he didn't. This leads me to believe that there is an ulterior motive to their constant stalling, at the very least they could tell people if any of this speculation is warranted, as they are the only ones besides Glenn who knows the whole truth and have everything. If the evidence they have now is enough to make Glenn appear guilty of things far worse than getting sent a nude picture, then tell us. If the Creators don't have that, then TELL us. This stalling is WHOLLY UNPROFESSIONAL and we as fans should know when we are being toyed with and oppose it vehemently.

Five bucks says tomorrow on the radio show all this gets cleared up. That might be what they're waiting for. Words on text can get misinterpreted. Hearing someone's voice, inflection and mood, communicates a lot more clearly.

And if I'm wrong, then I wasn't betting real money.

And if I'm right, I accept PayPal and hard, cold cash.

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:37 pm

Some of these Glenn avatars I'm seeing are too large....I mean, WAY too large. I would think that the moderators, at least, woul be an example of the Forum Rules:

Images: Avatars and Signatures
When embedding images in a thread please make sure they are not so big that they distort the thread. If you notice that is the case please resize the image you are linking to. We will also now be enforcing the rule that Avatars should be 80x80. Some variance may be acceptable, but if you receive a PM from a moderator asking you to shrink your avatar we would greatly appreciate it if you did so. Images in signatures will no longer be allowed -- if you have one, please remove it. If you are warned and you do not remove your graphic or resize it appropriately, it will be deleted.

Some variance, to me...is no larger than about 100x100 pixels.... but hyemew, yours is 195x187. That's almost 2 and a half times the allowed size.

I don't think it's just moderators that should point out when a avi is too large, since it has an impact on all of us.

curiousGeorge · Post by **curiousGeorge** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:42 pm

OK, here comes trouble from the Funky Monkey....

The c's need to make a statement as Hye said above. This is yet another in a long line of grossly unprofessional PR moves that they have made. Maybe Miles and Greg did not study PR in their respective professional degree programs, but surely they should have been exposed to it. The first rule of this kind of thing is to take control, issue statements, be decisive, and then stick to your guns. Not that complicated really. Enough stalling already, get on with it!

If Glenn is innocent, guilty, or somewhere in between then they need to SAY something and stop all this insanity and let us get back to making fun of the ARG. Uhm, well, most of you won't do that but at least a few people will

. (And good lord, don't phlame me for that, I'm only trying to lighten all of this up a little bit.)

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:42 pm

he Creators have not cleared a single thing up,

Not true, the Creators said he was no longer the PM for the ARG.

The means he was fired.

Will he still remain in another role? Who knows? I think some people just need to be patient...and frankly, it's none of our business. If they hired him, it's a personnel/staff decision. The only thing that really mattered was if he would remain on as PM...and he's not. So there you have it.

What's all the whining about?

colbertnationgirl · Post by **colbertnationgirl** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:45 pm

bethy wrote:Not true, the Creators said he was no longer the PM for the ARG.

The means he was fired.

Will he still remain in another role? Who knows? I think some people just need to be patient...and frankly, it's none of our business. If they hired him, it's a personnel/staff decision. The only thing that really mattered was if he would remain on as PM...and he's not. So there you have it.

What's all the whining about?

Thank you!!

bethy · Post by **bethy** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:54 pm

My point has been that Glenn has made some good contributions from LG15 APART from the ARG stuff

Can I tell you guys a story? Oh, hell...I'm going to anyway.

When I was in college I worked for SprintPCS. I worked inbound collections...which meant that if someone went over their spending limit or didn't pay their bill, their phone was "hot lined" and their calls redirected to us so we could collect payment or make payment arrangements.

I was very nice to people. You may not believe it...but I still am. Everyone tells me that I have a soothing calming manner on the telephone. Because of that, I was the TOP producer for money collected each and every day. Where some people would get partial payments, I would get full payment...but I only did it because I actually cared about the people I was talking to. In fact, I consistently brought in twice as much money as the others.

You'd think I'd be recognized for that...after all, a business is there to make money, right?

Not really. You see, because I was nice to people, and actually talked to them, I had a tendency to stay on the line with them longer than the "accepted average" of 2 and a half minutes. In fact, I averaged any where from 6-10 minutes...so I was speaking ot fewer people, but I was still bringing in more money and scoring very high on customer satisfaction.

After 5 months of this, and of being continually warned to shorten my call time...I was fired. Fired! Because my average handle time was too high.

I was fired for being to nice. Even though I worked in collections and I was the very best at doing what I was supposed to do.

I fought the dismissal, but nobody listened. It didn't matter how good I was...how much money I brought in....what mattered was the stupid benchmark of time.

Sometimes...when you're fired. You're fired....that's it.

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:56 pm

Here's a story about my early days as an attorney (be patient, I'll get around to the point eventually):

I came to work in a new office, and was immediately given a case in which someone who thought they were a victim of discrimination, but who had lost at their hearing, was appealing to a higher court. My job was to write the appeals brief defending the decision that said no discrimination had taken place.

My first draft of the brief was full of impassioned appeals to fairness and justice. It included lots of adjectives -- "unfair," "hysterical," and so on. I even threw in an exclamation point or two (in my own defense, I must note that I did not insert two exclamation points after a single sentence).

My supervisor read my draft, handed it back to me, and said, "The exclamation points have to go. And take out all the adjectives. Plus you need to tone down those other, emotionally charged words."

I was disappointed and discouraged, and secretly thought he was wrong. No passion? What's the point of the brief, then?

But I did what he said, gave the new draft to him, and then left for the weekend. For three days, I didn't think about the damn brief (well, not much).

When I came back on Monday and reread the most recent draft with a fresh eye, I realized that my supervisor had been right: my argument was far more effective when it simply and calmly stated the facts, laid out the structure of the law, and explained how the law applied to those facts. All those adjectives, charged words, and impassioned appeals to justice (not to mention the exclamation points) had lessened the brief's credibility.

Now my point: I think the messages in this thread -- particularly your messages, HyeMew -- have begun to take on the characteristics of my original draft brief: they have gotten away from the facts and are focusing on emotions. And that emotionalism, IMO, is detracting from the messages' credibility.

I frankly don't think that using charged, accusatory words like "constant stalling" and "wholly unprofessional" and "held hostage" is beneficial to the cause of "making a case for Glenn." I think the use of such words has the opposite effect: making Glenn's supporters sound shrill and unreasonable.

Let me be very clear here: I'm not saying that Glenn's supporters are, in fact, "shrill and unreasonable." I'm simply pointing out that the use of highly-charged language in messages intended to be supportive may have an unintended detrimental effect.

(Oh, btw, about that case of mine: the lawyer representing the alleged victim wrote a brief that was short on facts or law, but full of inflammatory rhetoric. He even accused the judge in the original hearing of being biased against his client. The evidence of bias? Well, there wasn't any -- and that, according to the lawyer, showed just how biased the judge really was: he'd been extremely careful to cover his tracks, so there was no sign of bias whatsoever. So the absence of evidence of bias proved the existence of the bias.

You guessed it: I won the case.)

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:57 pm

Heh. Bethy, we were both writing up personal stories at the same time. Great minds and all that.

HyeMew · Post by **HyeMew** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:59 pm

bethy wrote:
The Creators have not cleared a single thing up,

Not true, the Creators said he was no longer the PM for the ARG.

The means he was fired.

What's all the whining about?

Umm I'm sorry, but no. Glenn was always running OpAphid on the side. However, once it became canonized, they also further brought him into it as a full time writer. He was dismissed from the ARG, which everyone is fine with.

Yet, not only are totally unfounded rumors running wild about what he did or didn't do, there are more creditable rumors dripping down that he in fact WAS completely fired. This is of course despite the fact no further proof has come forward besides what has already been published.
The Creators NEED to let us know and stop following with us IF they have any more information and if not then WHY are the rumors circulating that he is indeed completely fired.

Whatever the case, there is no doubt there were at least some ridiculous and out of line exaggerated claims slung at Glenn and his reputation is in the toilet. The Creators inability to respond to any of this only makes him look worse by the day while they sit back letting it happen. I believe it is actually indeed their intention to fire him as the rumors say he has been completely, but instead of announcing it they are letting him get crushed under the weight of the imflammatory speculation.

Danielle · Post by **Danielle** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:15 pm

bethy wrote:
he Creators have not cleared a single thing up,

Not true, the Creators said he was no longer the PM for the ARG.

The means he was fired.

Will he still remain in another role? Who knows? I think some people just need to be patient...and frankly, it's none of our business. If they hired him, it's a personnel/staff decision. The only thing that really mattered was if he would remain on as PM...and he's not. So there you have it.

What's all the whining about?

I disagree with you here, this is a show that the creators have told us time and time again that we the fans have a major role in. Although it is their exective decision, it is also wise of them to look to the people. Obviously I don't want to see Glenn leave, and neither do many other people. This is besides the point; how they are stringing the fans (and perhaps Glenn) along in all of this is unprofessional and leaves me with an ill taste in my mouth.

In essence, what happens around LG15 represents LG15. By leaving lose ends and sloppy facts/spectulation to continue, they are making their business vulnerable to very bad PR. Its a wonder the mainstream media hasn't picked up and ran with this yet, and that is not the kind of attention LG15 is looking for.

All the information is there Creators, please don't tell us to be patient or that you are compiling information anymore. It has been a week, and there comes a time when this all must end.

Xrynaem · Post by **Xrynaem** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:19 pm

HyeMew wrote:
bethy wrote:
The Creators have not cleared a single thing up,

Not true, the Creators said he was no longer the PM for the ARG.

The means he was fired.

What's all the whining about?
Umm I'm sorry, but no. Glenn was always running OpAphid on the side. However, once it became canonized, they also further brought him into it as a full time writer. He was dismissed from the ARG, which everyone is fine with.

Yet, not only are totally unfounded rumors running wild about what he did or didn't do, there are more creditable rumors dripping down that he in fact WAS completely fired. This is of course despite the fact no further proof has come forward besides what has already been published.
The Creators NEED to let us know and stop following with us IF they have any more information and if not then WHY are the rumors circulating that he is indeed completely fired.

Whatever the case, there is no doubt there were at least some ridiculous and out of line exaggerated claims slung at Glenn and his reputation is in the toilet. The Creators inability to respond to any of this only makes him look worse by the day while they sit back letting it happen. I believe it is actually indeed their intention to fire him as the rumors say he has been completely, but instead of announcing it they are letting him get crushed under the weight of the imflammatory speculation.

I want to come in, and support Glenn's case fully and completely.

However, having read yours you seem to state everything quite clearly.

Thank you.

Post by **Broken Kid** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:33 pm

Bethy is right, and since I"m on vacation and on very bad dial-up access, I can't contact everyone privately without spending a long and frustrating time doing it.

Please, folks, resize your avatar. There are plenty of free programs that resize graphics, and you can shrink it without losing much quality. Try to keep things close to 100 pixels. Moderators, please enforce this.

Back on topic of this thread: I'd ask people to refrain from demanding immediate satisfaction from the Creators. Remember, our time, as fans, is different from theirs. Sometimes, the way a person responds is more important than when. And it's highly possible we may never be satisfied. They may not give us an explanation. Calling for their response to this issue is fine, but I encourage people to have patience.

bethy wrote:Some of these Glenn avatars I'm seeing are too large....I mean, WAY too large. I would think that the moderators, at least, woul be an example of the Forum Rules:

Images: Avatars and Signatures
When embedding images in a thread please make sure they are not so big that they distort the thread. If you notice that is the case please resize the image you are linking to. We will also now be enforcing the rule that Avatars should be 80x80. Some variance may be acceptable, but if you receive a PM from a moderator asking you to shrink your avatar we would greatly appreciate it if you did so. Images in signatures will no longer be allowed -- if you have one, please remove it. If you are warned and you do not remove your graphic or resize it appropriately, it will be deleted.
Some variance, to me...is no larger than about 100x100 pixels.... but hyemew, yours is 195x187. That's almost 2 and a half times the allowed size.

I don't think it's just moderators that should point out when a avi is too large, since it has an impact on all of us.

HyeMew · Post by **HyeMew** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:43 pm

Broken Kid wrote:Back on topic of this thread: I'd ask people to refrain from demanding immediate satisfaction from the Creators.

I understand, Mr. Admin, but at the same time I find it pretty funny you are cautioning us against, seeing as it's been a week already, demanding immediate satisfaction... That ship has sailed and is in Guam by now.
That said, have a good rest of your vacation.

Danielle · Post by **Danielle** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:44 pm

In response to the giant avs, anyone can PM me and I'll create some smaller ones. I have lots of homework to ignore.

*edit for clarification

ShardinsKitten · Post by **ShardinsKitten** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:56 pm

This really isn't a post in building a case for Glenn. This is just more whining about the lack of response. I understand that it's frustrating not to know. But the creators JUST said they will give a statement as soon as possible. They have their radio show tomorrow, my guess is they will say something before then to stop everyone from calling, or chatting in asking questions about it, or make a statement during the show. Considering they JUST said that they will give a response as soon as they can, I think we need to be patient they aren't ignoring us, they are just trying to work threw things. It may seem uncomplicated to all of us who don't know anything, have no proof, don't have people sending us messages about what they knew, but we have no idea how much information and stuff they have to sift threw, or what conversations they may be having with Glenn in trying to work some things out.

This is just another witch hunt thread, and another thread with more complaining, with the same stuff that got all the other threads locked. What's worse is this managed to make it as a sticky (which I am guessing got done by the mod who made the post) and is no where near on topic. I think we need to respect the creators asking us not to keep harping on this issue and at least give them a few more days before bringing it up again, they just made a statement today, or yesterday.