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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:01 pm
by ApotheosisAZ
Lurker wrote:curiousGeorge wrote:As I found this video just frankly appalling in it's implications and suggestions, I do hope that is the case. BUT...
Here we go again boyz and girlz: The Order/Hymn of Juan does NOT watch the videos, so there is no way logical way that this can be a ploy.
Who Sees What Indeed...
While I doubt that this was a ploy, it's been emphasized more than enough that the Order does watch the videos. Heck, one particular development in the plot required it (Bree telling Lucy to e-mail her about a location to trade herself for Daniel).
It is the old argument.
I gotta say it again: there are people in The Order and The Hymn of One who see the vids. Those people keep the knowledge to themselves.
They are either jockeying for power withing the Organization, or they are Resistance infiltrators. They use the intelligence for their own purposes.
I think you both see it as all or nothing; it isn't in black or white. This is a grey area.
Not everyone in The Order sees the videos, and those who do don't share the info.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:02 pm
by Marbella
Apo makes a good point. The Order is so complex and with so many factions that it is difficult to generalize or make assumptions about what they may be seeing.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:05 pm
by Sonia
megabyte wrote:Marbella wrote:You know, this is a sick thought that may annoy the Jonas lovers, but maybe Bree left because the sex was no good!
(apologies in advance~ it is a stupid joke!)
What would she be comparing it to?
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:16 pm
by Charles Phoenix
beast said they hooked up... which alludes to either a shag or a snog... that one was a little up in the air as well
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:20 pm
by Alice_Falls
Sonia wrote:megabyte wrote:Marbella wrote:You know, this is a sick thought that may annoy the Jonas lovers, but maybe Bree left because the sex was no good!
(apologies in advance~ it is a stupid joke!)
What would she be comparing it to?
Hey! Girls do know if it's good or not the first time. Its pretty obvious, girls are able to distinguish whether sex was a good experience or a bad one...
PS: I don't think Jonas is capable of being "no good". I'm biased but oh well.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:26 pm
by Marbella
Sonia wrote:megabyte wrote:Marbella wrote:You know, this is a sick thought that may annoy the Jonas lovers, but maybe Bree left because the sex was no good!
(apologies in advance~ it is a stupid joke!)
What would she be comparing it to?
It can suck even if she has nothing to compare it to.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:40 pm
by Lurker
ApotheosisAZ wrote:Lurker wrote:curiousGeorge wrote:As I found this video just frankly appalling in it's implications and suggestions, I do hope that is the case. BUT...
Here we go again boyz and girlz: The Order/Hymn of Juan does NOT watch the videos, so there is no way logical way that this can be a ploy.
Who Sees What Indeed...
While I doubt that this was a ploy, it's been emphasized more than enough that the Order does watch the videos. Heck, one particular development in the plot required it (Bree telling Lucy to e-mail her about a location to trade herself for Daniel).
It is the old argument.
I gotta say it again: there are people in The Order and The Hymn of One who see the vids. Those people keep the knowledge to themselves.
They are either jockeying for power withing the Organization, or they are Resistance infiltrators. They use the intelligence for their own purposes.
I think you both see it as all or nothing; it isn't in black or white. This is a grey area.
Not everyone in The Order sees the videos, and those who do don't share the info.
Whether everyone sees them or not (and I still continue to think that at least everyone
important in the Order sees them, including everyone across the various factions or philosophies), cG seemed to be suggesting that no one does.
chevalier wrote:kellylen wrote:
ive hated jonas ever since he kissed bree and i wanted to smash his face in.
>:O
Why? Because he totally took advantage of a brainwashed, possibly still underage girl who was not properly socialized and emotionally unstable to begin with, or because he then bragged about it on video?
<----Kellylen
<----Jonas
He was the one taken advantage of, though.
Charles Phoenix wrote:beast said they hooked up... which alludes to either a shag or a snog... that one was a little up in the air as well
To a lot of people "hooked up" means "started dating." That's where a lot of confusion came from with that DB vid, I think. Even though Beast only said that they hugged and kissed, and even said "It's not what you think," some people still took the "hooked up" as implying sex. I guess it depends on where you live and how the phrase is used there.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:49 pm
by Charles Phoenix
Lurker wrote:Charles Phoenix wrote:beast said they hooked up... which alludes to either a shag or a snog... that one was a little up in the air as well
To a lot of people "hooked up" means "started dating." That's where a lot of confusion came from with that DB vid, I think. Even though Beast only said that they hugged and kissed, and even said "It's not what you think," some people still took the "hooked up" as implying sex. I guess it depends on where you live and how the phrase is used there.
yes very true... but i live in southern california where the writers and actors live... around here it implies pashing... unless your in college like the age of the characters... that implies a shag... iono thats how i see it...
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 3:57 pm
by robtomorrow
Marbella wrote:Apo makes a good point. The Order is so complex and with so many factions that it is difficult to generalize or make assumptions about what they may be seeing.
There has never been any logic as to who sees what, it started out simple enough, but as the series has progressed the question has gotten more and more complicated.
The C's tried to take the issue back to square one with Nikki's statement that the Order doesn't watch the videos, but that just confused the question even more.
Apo does a good job of trying to bring some sense of logic to the inconsistencies , but you can't impose logic on chaos.
For me the question is just not something I don't worry about any longer, I simply don't expect anything to make sense anymore.
mbmb?
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:26 pm
by raz0r_sex
Maybe bre was passed out in the shower due to drug withdrawls?
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:30 pm
by ApotheosisAZ
Maybe she spun a cocoon out of ribozymes and was dangling from the ceiling.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:33 pm
by MintyBeast
ApotheosisAZ wrote:Maybe she spun a cocoon out of ribozymes and was dangling from the ceiling.
OMG!
That would be the scariest thing in lg15 history.
And for some reason really freaks me out. Haha
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:46 pm
by JustAnotherLonelyGirl.
MintyBeast wrote:ApotheosisAZ wrote:Maybe she spun a cocoon out of ribozymes and was dangling from the ceiling.
OMG!
That would be the scariest thing in lg15 history.
And for some reason really freaks me out. Haha
Like that awful movie about old people. I think it was called Cocoon.
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:20 pm
by watermelonhead
they totally 'did it', let's not fool ourselves here
Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:42 pm
by Marbella
ApotheosisAZ wrote:Maybe she spun a cocoon out of ribozymes and was dangling from the ceiling.
Now, THAT's the funniest theory so far. You have lived up to your name as Jester with that one!