Lonelygirl15

I'm just sort of blue-skying this, so bear with me.

Has it struck anyone else as strange that the one symbol in the lower left corner is blurry (the OpAphid one)? I mean, everything else is sharp as can be, except for that one. Has anyone tried to run a filter or something over the entire pic until that symbol is clear? I've heard talk of hidden faces and what not in the background, maybe this would bring them out?

The reason I bring this up at all is that the name for the arc is Parallax, right? And that particular symbol seems out-of-focus, the way some things will when you look at them from a bad angle.

"It's Greek, it can't be read"... everyone seems concentrated on finding some kind of hidden message in the symbols, based upon their combinations from Greek, except it seems to me that the message would (in a way, semantically speaking) caution against that. Yes it is based in Greek, but no, you can't read it. There's no meaning in the symbols themselves, at least not a word or phrase.

Again, I'm an ancient lurker (like Cthulu), and I'm just sort of throwing it out there. If anyone else has brought this up, or if it's already been shot down... I guess I should pay more attention.

pendevil wrote:I'm just sort of blue-skying this, so bear with me.

Has it struck anyone else as strange that the one symbol in the lower left corner is blurry (the OpAphid one)? I mean, everything else is sharp as can be, except for that one. Has anyone tried to run a filter or something over the entire pic until that symbol is clear? I've heard talk of hidden faces and what not in the background, maybe this would bring them out?

The reason I bring this up at all is that the name for the arc is Parallax, right? And that particular symbol seems out-of-focus, the way some things will when you look at them from a bad angle.

"It's Greek, it can't be read"... everyone seems concentrated on finding some kind of hidden message in the symbols, based upon their combinations from Greek, except it seems to me that the message would (in a way, semantically speaking) caution against that. Yes it is based in Greek, but no, you can't read it. There's no meaning in the symbols themselves, at least not a word or phrase.

Again, I'm an ancient lurker (like Cthulu), and I'm just sort of throwing it out there. If anyone else has brought this up, or if it's already been shot down... I guess I should pay more attention.

holy crap! i'm starting to see something as i sharpen it. it's 12:07pm right now and i'm home alone so it's freaking me out. i dont know if i can continue at this point

edit: okay. you can only sharpen so much before the image starts to get all messed up. the images in the bottom left corner do seem easier to see though.

bribak wrote:

pendevil wrote:I'm just sort of blue-skying this, so bear with me.

Has it struck anyone else as strange that the one symbol in the lower left corner is blurry (the OpAphid one)? I mean, everything else is sharp as can be, except for that one. Has anyone tried to run a filter or something over the entire pic until that symbol is clear? I've heard talk of hidden faces and what not in the background, maybe this would bring them out?

The reason I bring this up at all is that the name for the arc is Parallax, right? And that particular symbol seems out-of-focus, the way some things will when you look at them from a bad angle.

"It's Greek, it can't be read"... everyone seems concentrated on finding some kind of hidden message in the symbols, based upon their combinations from Greek, except it seems to me that the message would (in a way, semantically speaking) caution against that. Yes it is based in Greek, but no, you can't read it. There's no meaning in the symbols themselves, at least not a word or phrase.

Again, I'm an ancient lurker (like Cthulu), and I'm just sort of throwing it out there. If anyone else has brought this up, or if it's already been shot down... I guess I should pay more attention.

holy crap! i'm starting to see something as i sharpen it. it's 12:07pm right now and i'm home alone so it's freaking me out. i dont know if i can continue at this point

edit: okay. you can only sharpen so much before the image starts to get all messed up. the images in the bottom left corner do seem easier to see though.

I've done quite a bit of work on this, from every possible angle I can think of. If you go back in this thread, you'll see. There are many more experiments I've done that I never posted. I've tried varying degrees of sharpening - and yes, exactly what you recommended about bringing the out of focus image into focus. I tried that.

It's a big Rorshach test. Everyone sees tons of images. The problem is, that no one sees the same thing. If this were truely Semiotic, as the file name the images came in says, we would all agree on something. So far we haven't.

We're no farther along on analyzing the background image than we are on the symbols.

The best explanation I've heard for the blurriness is that it was done to indicate that the watcher/OpAphid symbol has been figured out. We are suppose to be focusing on the other 3 symbols.

Pendevil, I like your interpretation of the "Greek" quote: we aren't suppose to be "reading" these letters in the traditional sense.

Stupid frat and sorority websites be damned. Anyway

Im not sure if anyone has completely decided if the character in the top left is omnicron or phi. I was starring at the figure and noticed something strange.

The thickness of the cross bar changes in the center. Exactly where the cross bar for the phi would be.


Another thing with the (now im convinced) Lamda Sigma

There is a slight angle at the bottom of the right leg of the lamda sugessting that it was tillted up to meet the sigma. The reason the other leg is floating in air.


Now the bottom right I have no idea except the letter behind the theta is probably heth do to the fact that all the other letters are capitalized not shrunk in any way and that suspect cross bar.



Probably old news but i though i would share.

I would like to return for a moment in my area of specialty.

Remember what the term Semiotics means.

A symbol is more than just a symbol. One symbol by itself is read with one meaning. Symbols combined together indicate that their meanings are also combined.

A new symbol is created everytime two fomer symbols are used together. You are NOT to read the new signs simply as a combination of the old signs. The new sign has its own meaning, depending on the way the old symbols were created.

Example...cow crossing. There is a picture of a cow, and a picture of an X. We do not read this as "Cow X"...that is meaningless. The picture partakes a new meaning when used together.

These symbols INDICATE something by their presence. You need to take into account what the original meaning or word was...but simply mashing the words together will NOT solve the picture. You need to take the meanings in their combination.

For example: It is not Lambda Epsilon. That is meaningless. What is the original meaning of these words...how were they INTERPRETED originally (not originally used, but what did the symbol itself mean)...and what could the new combination indicate about the order.

Just my thoughts.

-Ruberic

I took this image:



and zoomed in:




I don't know what the first symbol is, but I think its pretty clear the second one is infinity (and not an eight). The actual font or style of infinity isn't that common but looks exactly like this one:

pagene wrote:I took this image:



and zoomed in:




I don't know what the first symbol is, but I think its pretty clear the second one is infinity (and not an eight). The actual font or style of infinity isn't that common but looks exactly like this one:

it doesn't look exactly like the one on the box.

:snicker: i see a war medal and prairie oysters...

The first one looks like a three but I found some alternate meanings to it.


"This wellknown structure was already in use in the third century A.D. in India, denoting the number 3. The sign is also the sign for the measure drachma in ancient Greece, meaning a handful. The drachma was also (and still is) a Greek coin." - Symbols

"An ideogram from seventeenth-century alchemy for cinnabar, i.e. red mercuric sulphide vermilion." Symbols

And I would go with the mountain oysters for the second. Is there a third symbol on the upper right side.


By the way where did the image come from. [/url]

Another dead end I suspect...

I tried putting ΘM, ΘN etc. into google just to see what would come up. Most of these were blanks, but I got a werid hit on ΘN. Just in case you thought we were the only people staring at pairs of Greek letters...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra

Nomina Sacra are abbreviations written in Greek, used in religious manuscripts. The most common are two letters long. ΘN is (I suspect) a variant of the posessive of "God".

Searching for Nomina Sacra doesn't kick up much, although at:

http://www.lib.umich.edu/pap/k12/readin ... sacra.html

there's a couple of images of real manuscripts with real Greek ligaturing. Doesn't look much like it was knocked together in Photoshop

[Edited to actually say what Nomina Sacra are, d'oh!]

Can we call it confirmed that "Pi" is in the two-legged "Watcher symbol" now that "On The Road Again" is out? Apparently the symbol has something to do with textual criticism, which is one of the older functions of "Pi."

I feel somewhat validated at this development (if it holds up as true). I kept feeling like that was the way we should be looking with the connotation of the symbol. Though I guess it could still have another meaning we don't yet know about, but I got the impression from this video that this was the intended direction for its meaning.

Not sure what it actually means, though.

textual criticism? don't u use "pi" or sumthin to say "start a new paragraph here"?

Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote:textual criticism? don't u use "pi" or sumthin to say "start a new paragraph here"?

You're thinking of the pilcrow (different derivation entirely). The only relevance I know of "Pi" to have with textual criticism is that it has been used to represent a Biblical codex from the 9th century, but I've felt like that there's some meaning there, possibly of a religious nature (it may not refer specifically to that Biblical codex, but it might refer to religious interpretation is what I kept thinking).

That "3" you saw is most likely the cyrillic letter З, the capital letter in that language that produces the "ZE" sound.

The very blurry sideways 8 seen is also most likely the ώ...or lower case "omega" in greek (I see a very blurry punctual mark above the sidways 8 in that picture)

The O with the T in teh center seems to be a compilation of the following:

Ф = Cyrillic letter that produces a EF sound and Т the cyrillic letter that pronunces the TE sound

The sylized E with the odd leg on it may be a compilation of the following:

Σ = Greek Letter Sigma and possibly the greek letter Λ or Lamda (on its side).

Lurker wrote:

Nieriel.Manwathiel wrote:textual criticism? don't u use "pi" or sumthin to say "start a new paragraph here"?

You're thinking of the pilcrow (different derivation entirely). The only relevance I know of "Pi" to have with textual criticism is that it has been used to represent a Biblical codex from the 9th century, but I've felt like that there's some meaning there, possibly of a religious nature (it may not refer specifically to that Biblical codex, but it might refer to religious interpretation is what I kept thinking).

OK, off to Wikipedia we go...

Pi stands for the Codex Petropolitanus, a.ka. St. Petersburg Codex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Petropolitanus

Eta stands for "The Alexandrian text-type (also called Neutral or Egyptian) is the form of the Greek New Testament that predominates in the earliest surviving witnesses."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrian_text-type

Lambda, Nu, Sigma, Tau, Phi don't stand for anything relevant I can see.

So if we're claiming relevance as an abbreviation in textual criticism, I'd say Eta is winning over Pi.