Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:44 pm
heh. Welcome to hell 
Lonelygirl15
Forum to post messages about Bree and Danielbeast
https://lg15.cassieiswatching.com/forum/
I guess we all know what happened to that girl Cassie...
https://lg15.cassieiswatching.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5983
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Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:44 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if the creators work cassie into the plot - but THEIR incarnation of cassie, rather than the fanfic cassies out there.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:46 pm
Cassie was brought up by Bree in the Swimming video. After that, many cassies came about via fan fiction videos. Two of the most known are CassieIsWatching and itscassie. Both were very popular but neither are cannon. Just because they aren't canon doesn't mean people shouldn't still enjoy them, the creators encouraged fanfiction. However...when a canon cassie comes about, people won't be discussing whether or not she is canon for months on end before her actually being canon. New characters never take that long to be confirmed as canon.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:49 pm
So back to the original topic...
What happened to Cassie? Since Daniel said YES she was in his class and YES he did remember her....what if the order captured her just like they captured Daniel? Is she part of OpAphid now---just a puppet?
What happened to Cassie? Since Daniel said YES she was in his class and YES he did remember her....what if the order captured her just like they captured Daniel? Is she part of OpAphid now---just a puppet?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:50 pm
Yep, you got it! Fans took the mention of a girl named Cassie and ran with it.Pallidity wrote:Cassie is a real part of the plot line, but itscassie and cassieiswatching are not part of it from what I've gathered. Oy.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:52 pm
Yep, you got it! Fans took the mention of a girl named Cassie and ran with it.Pallidity wrote:Cassie is a real part of the plot line, but itscassie and cassieiswatching are not part of it from what I've gathered. Oy.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:56 pm
Or mabye Daniel was always bad....nobackspacebutton wrote:So back to the original topic...
What happened to Cassie? Since Daniel said YES she was in his class and YES he did remember her....what if the order captured her just like they captured Daniel? Is she part of OpAphid now---just a puppet?
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:39 pm
I'm with you in that I think Cassie is a real girl, and I think your theory is a good one.nobackspacebutton wrote:So back to the original topic...
What happened to Cassie? Since Daniel said YES she was in his class and YES he did remember her....what if the order captured her just like they captured Daniel? Is she part of OpAphid now---just a puppet?
but, just my own theory here. I think she might have been part of the order from the start. That is, her parents were from the order and she was raised with them.
Bree mentioned that only a fraction of a percent of the children raised to do the ceremony develop the qualities necessary to perform the ceremony. What if Cassie was put in bree's life to help facilitate these "qualities"? What if that was what she was trained for? and god knows, it's just a theory. Maybe Cassie was manipulated by the order from the getgo, but continually disappointed them, or something.
The fact that daniel didn't remember her swimming but suddenly does now makes me wonder....I just wonder if he was forced to say that or convinced it was the truth by Op.
There are probably lots of holes in this theory that many of you who know more about the story can find, which I would welcome. :)All the videos relating to cassie screw me up, because I initially thought cassieiswatching was real, so I mix stuff up.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:55 pm
I think that the itscassie spin off is going to become canon soon, ive always thought that. It just seems like she knows too much information to NOT be canon. And I hope she does become official cuz personally, I love her vids.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:11 pm
Just reiterating a good point milowent brought up in the CiW and CiW Spinoffs threads concerning itscassie:
For those curious, here's the portion of the Creator's message:milowent wrote:i think the creators came into the official chatroom the night that itscassie said she woud be there, and said something to make clear that itscassie is not canon. And the Creators post from yesterday about opaphid lumped itscassie in with other fanfic.
The Creators wrote:6) We are working hard to build a much nicer version of the website with character profiles similar to YouTube. Additionally we will be adding functionality that makes it easier for you to upload your own stories that live within the Breeniverse (like lordgreystoke, marbella, itscassie, iris2009, etc.). We think you will really like it.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:19 am
The creators did say they thought she was cool in that ODZ chat--- but I'm going to assume that since Cassie's character was so cryptic to begin with, they already had some plans for it, and itscassie showing up and claiming to be cassie probably wouldn't just change that.
Also, I disagree that she knows too much-- she makes logical guesses that work out occassionally, and she's really quick to jump on the game and good at making her story fit the direction the canon story is going. Like, she could have gone anywhere with the drugs-guinea-pig thing-- Daniel just happened to seem high as a kite in Op's video, so that worked out for her.
Her version of an Op video had the same music, but pretty much lacked everything else typical of an Op video.
I used to be vehemently anti-itscassie, but then I realized it was the wig. When she lost that, I wanted to punch her a lot less.
On a random note.
Also, I disagree that she knows too much-- she makes logical guesses that work out occassionally, and she's really quick to jump on the game and good at making her story fit the direction the canon story is going. Like, she could have gone anywhere with the drugs-guinea-pig thing-- Daniel just happened to seem high as a kite in Op's video, so that worked out for her.
Her version of an Op video had the same music, but pretty much lacked everything else typical of an Op video.
I used to be vehemently anti-itscassie, but then I realized it was the wig. When she lost that, I wanted to punch her a lot less.
On a random note.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:18 am
okay, I know it's on the first page, but I just read the thread.I thiknk cassie is bree
This is something I thought of after Bree made the video where she said Cassie was her friend and she (Bree) got in trouble when Cassie made crank calls from her parent's phone.
I think Cassie is Bree's hidden personality, Multiple Personality Disorder. Why? Who knows. But it was weird how Bree said that only she got in trouble for the crank calls but Cassie was the one to do it... and that Cassie hadn't been back to the house since then. Maybe Bree stopped becoming Cassie after getting into trouble with her "friend." Cassie represented fun, and when they stopped having fun together, got in trouble,, that was the end of Cassie.
Okay... so why would Cassie be in Daniels class? Because Bree's subconscience says so. It's probably a way of validating her friendship to Daniel... he's older, so they likely didn't have classes together. Sure they went to the same school, but how did they become friends??? It would expleain Daniel's confusion when Bree asked about Cassie.
and THIS is why Daniel mentioned Cassie. He doesn't have a clue who she is... or maybe he knows about Bree's MPD... but mentioning it in the video is a clue to Bree. It wasn't meant as it was said. It would seem like it would be a way to get Bree to go with the order... maybe the Cassie personality even liked the Order. But Daniels mention of it is a clue of some sort.
I'm willing to bet Jonas will be there to tape the trade of Bree for Daniel... they'll probably try some daring rescue. Hope we don't have to wait too long for the next video!
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:39 am
Dissociative identity disorder
Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a diagnosis described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition, Revised, as the existence in an individual of two or more distinct identities or personalities, each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment. At least two of these personalities are considered to routinely take control of the individual's behavior, and there is also some associated memory loss, which is beyond normal forgetfulness. This memory loss is often referred to as "losing time". These symptoms must occur independently of substance abuse or a general medical condition.
Dissociative identity disorder was initially named multiple personality disorder (MPD), and, as referenced above, that name remains in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. Regardless of whether the disorder is termed dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder, it is in no way related to schizophrenia. Although schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder are commonly linked in the minds of lay people, it is a misconception.
While dissociation is a demonstrable psychiatric condition that is tied to several different disorders, specifically those involving early childhood trauma and anxiety, multiple personality remains controversial. Despite the controversy, some mental health institutes, such as McLean Hospital[1], have wards specifically designated for dissociative identity disorder.
Dissociation is a complex mental process that provides a coping mechanism for individuals confronting painful and/or traumatic situations. It is characterized by a dis-integration of the ego. Ego integration, or more properly ego integrity, can be defined as a person's ability to successfully incorporate external events or social experiences into their perception, and to then present themselves consistently across those events or social situations. A person unable to do this successfully can experience emotional dysregulation, as well as a potential collapse of ego integrity. In other words, this state of emotional dysregulation is, in some cases, so intense that it can precipitate ego dis-integration, or what, in extreme cases, has come to be referred to diagnostically as dissociation.
Dissociation describes a collapse in ego integrity so profound that the personality is considered to literally break apart. For this reason, dissocation is often referred to as "splitting" or "altering". Less profound presentations of this condition are often referred to clinically as disorganization or decompensation. The difference between a psychotic break and a dissociation, or dissociative break, is that, while someone who is experiencing a dissociation is technically pulling away from a situation that s/he cannot manage, some part of the person remains connected to reality. While the psychotic "breaks" from reality, the dissociative disconnects, but not all the way.
Because the person suffering a dissociation does not completely disengage from his/her reality, s/he may appear to have multiple "personalities". In other words, different "people" to deal with different situations, but generally speaking, no one person (who will retreat altogether.
Patients often have a remarkable array of symptoms that can resemble other neurologic and psychiatric disorders, such as anxiety disorders, personality disorders, schizophrenic, mood psychoses and seizure disorders. Symptoms of this particular disorder can include:
depression
anxiety (sweating, rapid pulse, palpitations)
phobias
panic attacks
physical symptoms (severe headaches or other bodily pain)
fluctuating levels of function, from highly effective to disabled
time distortions, time lapse, and amnesia
sexual dysfunction
eating disorders
post traumatic stress
suicidal preoccupations and attempts
episodes of self-mutilation
psychoactive substance abuse[4]
Other symptoms include: Depersonalization, which refers to feeling unreal, removed from one's self, and detached from one's physical and mental processes. The patient feels like an observer of his life and may actually see himself as if he were watching a movie. Derealization refers to experiencing familiar persons and surroundings as if they were unfamiliar and strange or unreal.
^Wikipedia
Link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mpd_did5.htm
At first, MPD therapists regarded the disorder as a unexpected consequence of extreme abuse during childhood. But some went further and found what they believed to be evidence of deliberately induced MPD. They developed a theory that "mind-control cults" systematically used techniques of ritual abuse and/or Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) in order to create MPD in children. Bob Larson estimates that "An estimated 25 to 60% [sic] multiples have been subjected to ritual torture, sodomy, and mutilation. Conservative projections of ritual survivals have reached 100,000 in the United States alone." 1 The Los Angeles County Task Force on Ritual Abuse describes programming as follows:
"Mind control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse, the key element in the subjugation and silencing of its victims. Victims of ritual abuse are subjected to a rigorously applied system of mind control designed to rob them of their sense of free will and to impose upon them the will of the cult and its leaders." 2
The Task Force lists techniques commonly used by the cult, which include:
physical abuse: starvation, thirst, pain, drugs, exhaustion, physical isolation, sexual abuse, disorienting bright lights.
emotional abuse: the creation of moods of terror, guilt, shame, emotional isolation and rage.
cognitive abuse: being kept in a state of ignorance, confusion.
spiritual abuse: being taught that God has abandoned them and that Satan is in control
It was believed that some women within Satanic cults became pregnant often, in order to maintain a supply of newborns to the cult for abusive purposes. They would be delivered by doctors within the cult. Their births were not registered, so that there would be no record of them having existed. Other infants were kidnapped, and used for human sacrifice. Some investigators believed that the cults maintained large, baby-breeding concentration camps. Teenage runaway women were repeatedly raped there; babies born were transported across North America to satisfy the continuous need of the cults. Children were tested at an early age for dissociative ability. Those who passed were systematically abused and carefully programmed in order to generate MPD.
A common belief is that the cults create at least one alter which would become a Satanist in adulthood. That alter would have the responsibility of continuing the cult into the next generation through intentionally induced MPD. In this way, the cult would continue inter-generationally forever. Those children found with a low level of dissociative ability were not programmed; they were ritually sacrificed and their bodies disposed of.
Dissociative identity disorder (DID) is a diagnosis described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition, Revised, as the existence in an individual of two or more distinct identities or personalities, each with its own pattern of perceiving and interacting with the environment. At least two of these personalities are considered to routinely take control of the individual's behavior, and there is also some associated memory loss, which is beyond normal forgetfulness. This memory loss is often referred to as "losing time". These symptoms must occur independently of substance abuse or a general medical condition.
Dissociative identity disorder was initially named multiple personality disorder (MPD), and, as referenced above, that name remains in the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems. Regardless of whether the disorder is termed dissociative identity disorder or multiple personality disorder, it is in no way related to schizophrenia. Although schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder are commonly linked in the minds of lay people, it is a misconception.
While dissociation is a demonstrable psychiatric condition that is tied to several different disorders, specifically those involving early childhood trauma and anxiety, multiple personality remains controversial. Despite the controversy, some mental health institutes, such as McLean Hospital[1], have wards specifically designated for dissociative identity disorder.
Dissociation is a complex mental process that provides a coping mechanism for individuals confronting painful and/or traumatic situations. It is characterized by a dis-integration of the ego. Ego integration, or more properly ego integrity, can be defined as a person's ability to successfully incorporate external events or social experiences into their perception, and to then present themselves consistently across those events or social situations. A person unable to do this successfully can experience emotional dysregulation, as well as a potential collapse of ego integrity. In other words, this state of emotional dysregulation is, in some cases, so intense that it can precipitate ego dis-integration, or what, in extreme cases, has come to be referred to diagnostically as dissociation.
Dissociation describes a collapse in ego integrity so profound that the personality is considered to literally break apart. For this reason, dissocation is often referred to as "splitting" or "altering". Less profound presentations of this condition are often referred to clinically as disorganization or decompensation. The difference between a psychotic break and a dissociation, or dissociative break, is that, while someone who is experiencing a dissociation is technically pulling away from a situation that s/he cannot manage, some part of the person remains connected to reality. While the psychotic "breaks" from reality, the dissociative disconnects, but not all the way.
Because the person suffering a dissociation does not completely disengage from his/her reality, s/he may appear to have multiple "personalities". In other words, different "people" to deal with different situations, but generally speaking, no one person (who will retreat altogether.
Patients often have a remarkable array of symptoms that can resemble other neurologic and psychiatric disorders, such as anxiety disorders, personality disorders, schizophrenic, mood psychoses and seizure disorders. Symptoms of this particular disorder can include:
depression
anxiety (sweating, rapid pulse, palpitations)
phobias
panic attacks
physical symptoms (severe headaches or other bodily pain)
fluctuating levels of function, from highly effective to disabled
time distortions, time lapse, and amnesia
sexual dysfunction
eating disorders
post traumatic stress
suicidal preoccupations and attempts
episodes of self-mutilation
psychoactive substance abuse[4]
Other symptoms include: Depersonalization, which refers to feeling unreal, removed from one's self, and detached from one's physical and mental processes. The patient feels like an observer of his life and may actually see himself as if he were watching a movie. Derealization refers to experiencing familiar persons and surroundings as if they were unfamiliar and strange or unreal.
^Wikipedia
Link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/mpd_did5.htm
At first, MPD therapists regarded the disorder as a unexpected consequence of extreme abuse during childhood. But some went further and found what they believed to be evidence of deliberately induced MPD. They developed a theory that "mind-control cults" systematically used techniques of ritual abuse and/or Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) in order to create MPD in children. Bob Larson estimates that "An estimated 25 to 60% [sic] multiples have been subjected to ritual torture, sodomy, and mutilation. Conservative projections of ritual survivals have reached 100,000 in the United States alone." 1 The Los Angeles County Task Force on Ritual Abuse describes programming as follows:
"Mind control is the cornerstone of ritual abuse, the key element in the subjugation and silencing of its victims. Victims of ritual abuse are subjected to a rigorously applied system of mind control designed to rob them of their sense of free will and to impose upon them the will of the cult and its leaders." 2
The Task Force lists techniques commonly used by the cult, which include:
physical abuse: starvation, thirst, pain, drugs, exhaustion, physical isolation, sexual abuse, disorienting bright lights.
emotional abuse: the creation of moods of terror, guilt, shame, emotional isolation and rage.
cognitive abuse: being kept in a state of ignorance, confusion.
spiritual abuse: being taught that God has abandoned them and that Satan is in control
It was believed that some women within Satanic cults became pregnant often, in order to maintain a supply of newborns to the cult for abusive purposes. They would be delivered by doctors within the cult. Their births were not registered, so that there would be no record of them having existed. Other infants were kidnapped, and used for human sacrifice. Some investigators believed that the cults maintained large, baby-breeding concentration camps. Teenage runaway women were repeatedly raped there; babies born were transported across North America to satisfy the continuous need of the cults. Children were tested at an early age for dissociative ability. Those who passed were systematically abused and carefully programmed in order to generate MPD.
A common belief is that the cults create at least one alter which would become a Satanist in adulthood. That alter would have the responsibility of continuing the cult into the next generation through intentionally induced MPD. In this way, the cult would continue inter-generationally forever. Those children found with a low level of dissociative ability were not programmed; they were ritually sacrificed and their bodies disposed of.
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:10 pm
I feel like the idea that Cassie is Bree, while not impossible, would be probably be harder for the Creators to clearly get across considering the way the whole lg15 series is shot. If we're talking getting out of the video blogging or recording everything with a hand cam from each of the characters perspective in a semi 'realistic' sort of way and had some sort of outside narration going on it may be easier. But. I have a feeling Cassie, if she appears at all and it wasn't just Op poking fun, is going to be another person entirely.
I think that's a definite possibility
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:28 pm
Okay guys, I'm so glad that some of you are saying that Cassie is Bree. Let me tell you a story. I was watching the video where Jonas and Daniel are in the car and are following Bree and her Dad.
Well, in the description before the video, Daniel says that "he added a freeze-frame of Bree so that you would watch---it's important."
Well, a lot of people said that he only put the freeze frame in there so more people would watch. Yeah, that makes no sense and considering he said "It's important," I definitely went back and looked at the picture.
So I'm looking at it with my roommate, and we were looking for something weird in the picture. We look at the picture, and all of a sudden she says "Hey, why is the picture split down the middle." I was like whaaat?
And she said, "Yeah, look at the picture. On the right side of her face, the lighting is very different than on the left. It's a very fine line, but you can pretty much see that her face is a split image."
SURE ENOUGH! It is. I think the whole point of the freeze frame is Daniel trying to tell us that Cassie and Bree are the same person---or atleast tell us that Bree has split personalities.
What do y'all think? Go back and look at the freeze frame and let me know what you think.
Well, in the description before the video, Daniel says that "he added a freeze-frame of Bree so that you would watch---it's important."
Well, a lot of people said that he only put the freeze frame in there so more people would watch. Yeah, that makes no sense and considering he said "It's important," I definitely went back and looked at the picture.
So I'm looking at it with my roommate, and we were looking for something weird in the picture. We look at the picture, and all of a sudden she says "Hey, why is the picture split down the middle." I was like whaaat?
And she said, "Yeah, look at the picture. On the right side of her face, the lighting is very different than on the left. It's a very fine line, but you can pretty much see that her face is a split image."
SURE ENOUGH! It is. I think the whole point of the freeze frame is Daniel trying to tell us that Cassie and Bree are the same person---or atleast tell us that Bree has split personalities.
What do y'all think? Go back and look at the freeze frame and let me know what you think.