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sororyzbl wrote:

SARAHPHOBIA88 wrote: And who is to say that some of his critics are not published authors?
They were and are authors, actors, religious leaders, political figures, men and women of medicine, heads of mass companies, heads of household, the poorest in the harshest of countries, and the richest in the most powerful of countries.

not really, they were mostly folks like sinclair - oh, and mussolini didn't like him much, but that was fine since he was friends with Winston Churchill. We do remember who won that war, right?

>> Let's see:
>> 1. Bankruptcy

Jesus died bankrupt, too. he had a good carpentry bizness until he gave it up.

>> 2. Drug Addict

drugs in spiritual practice have been in use since the dawn of time.

>> 3. Prejudice

a product of his times, yet far ahead of it in many ways

>> 4. Non-believer of women's individuality

"then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit."

Can't argue with the good book.

>> 5. Known as "The Wickedest Man in the World"

a compliment, it meant people were paying attention.

>> 6. Tortured (and killed) animals

no torture, but i'm sure there was a sacrifice here and there. every non-vegetarian does the same thing every day. "And, forasmuch as meat and drink are transmuted in us daily into spiritual substance..."

>> 7. Contractor of many STDs

one or two. he lived long and well.

>> 8. Hypocrite (on all sorts of accounts)

not really, he was actually pretty damn true to his word.

>> 9. Expulled from religions and countries.

he just got kicked out of italy, like mussolini. the only "religion" he got kicked out of was the hermetic order of the golden dawn, which was, by the time crowley was active, more of a rich person's social club than a magickal order. never was a religion itself, though.

>> 10. Died alone

that's wrong too. if he died alone, how would anyone know his last words?

I do not wish to argue who is wrong and who is right. As, we will both stand strong in our beliefs and our opinions. As though we have the right and the freedom to do so.

nowherepixie wrote:I love contoversy.

Hiram wrote:The debate has been a decent one.

Nice pic Saraphobia88. Did you know in some occult texts it is said that possession takes place at the nape of the neck? location of Daath in the Tree of Life.

Also, 88 in Nazi circles means `HH` Hail Hitler.

Regards,
Hiram

Hiram wrote:The debate has been a decent one.

Nice pic Saraphobia88. Did you know in some occult texts it is said that possession takes place at the nape of the neck? location of Daath in the Tree of Life.

Also, 88 in Nazi circles means `HH` Hail Hitler.

Regards,
Hiram

Spades wrote:

sororyzbl wrote: >> 4. Non-believer of women's individuality

"then will I lift her to pinnacles of power: then will I breed from her a child mightier than all the kings of the earth. I will fill her with joy: with my force shall she see & strike at the worship of Nu: she shall achieve Hadit."

Can't argue with the good book.

She only gets praise for having a child, not a career, writing a book, fighting in some crazy war or some other conflict, etc.

All she gets to do is make a kid, and that's it.

maxomai wrote: She only gets praise for having a child, not a career, writing a book, fighting in some crazy war or some other conflict, etc.

All she gets to do is make a kid, and that's it.

sororyzbl wrote:

maxomai wrote:

Spades wrote: She only gets praise for having a child, not a career, writing a book, fighting in some crazy war or some other conflict, etc.

All she gets to do is make a kid, and that's it.

That child is the individual unassuaged of purpose. It's a metaphor for what comes from women's liberation.

there's a lot more to post about the role of women in Thelema, both from the Book of the Law, and from the Holy Books and commentaries. I love putting one example, and someone seeing that as the end all be all. It really just means that someone doesn't know anything about the topic, and doesn't have the ability to admit when they're wrong. not to start a flame war, but jeez, give me the benefit of the doubt, I'm a Thelemite. I know much more about Crowley than Wikipedia does.

Spades wrote: Is that directed at me or Maxomai?

This debate would be more fun for me if I studied up more on Crowley (which is what anyone should do before they jump into a debate; a horrid mistake that I try not to make myself, but I fucked up this time). At least there is no hate here, or screaming. Unless I'm missing something.

But I saw that and thought I would throw in my opinion. But, let me remind you, opinions are called "Your two cents" because that is how much they are worth. Fact is the only information you can take seriously, and it is a hardest commodity to come by. Has been, and always will be.