0172-"The Perfect Beach" [4/13/07]

[CRYISME]

OKay, I'm sorry. I've got to point something else. I used to post here, but I forgot my password or something. And, while I've had things to say here, I didn't care enough to sign up again.

But now I do.

The lack of Jessica Rose is becoming is OBVIOUS now. She's obviously only doing this show when she can fit it in now. Things have changed, she's doing movies now. She's a star. And, unfortunately, she is no longer the star of her own show.

She was in the last video. The whole thing was about Bree and Jonas. I belive the creators had no choice as to put Bree behind the camera. Jonas couldn't b/c he pulled out a gun, and Daniel couldn't b/c we had to see that Daniels first instict was to prtect Alex NOT Bree. It would have ruined the story to put anyone else behiend the camera.

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[Renegade]

I'm confused as to how that's a threat. That would actually be great news. Bree should be happy to hear that.

As my mother says: The tone makes the music. It sounds threatening. And you wouldn't try to sound threatening when you're deeply sorry you betrayed these people. Not to mention the look on her face, and the aggression - watch from 2:25 to 2:27: Alex looks like she resents Bree in every possible way, and then pushes Daniel away as if she was annoyed just by being around them - why would she do that if she actually likes them, and only set them up because she had "no other choice"?

In addition, the words themselves can be interpreted just as threatening: How many movies have you seen where the villain notes he doesn't need an underling anymore, and then just shoots him?

More confusion: Where was the betrayal? I've asked this twice already, but no one who's spoken of her betraying them after the question was raised has made an attempt to explain it. Personally, I'm not seeing it. They took her, not them.

"Where was the betrayal"? They are running from the Order, have to move to a new safehouse whenever they are discovered, and what does Alex do? Not only tell the Order where to find them, but also makes sure they're actually there!

You argue they didn't touch Bree, they only took Alex, so it was no betrayal. I say: It's the same as with the Watcher just standing around in front of Jonas's house. They are not allowed to touch Bree for some reason, so just constantly being there is their kind of aggression. Never letting the subjects rest at ease is their attack. So, while Alex's actions did not lead to physical harm to Bree and the others, she did subject them to the most "violent" attack the Order has in store.
Not to mention that neither Daniel nor Jonas are the chosen girl (no matter Jonas's sexual orientation) - so there's nothing protecting them from getting killed when the Men in Black show up.


And, after all, no matter if anyone was ever put in danger of any kind:
Betrayal: "to deliver to an enemy by treachery"
Treachery: "violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence"
Both by working for the Order rather than for/with the TAAG, and by exploiting trust BD&J had in her, she, by definition, committed treachery. She then set everything up to have BD&J at a specified location for the Order, the location which she had disclosed to the Order by that same treachery, thereby delivering BD&J to the enemy.

So, even if you don't agree anyone was in danger, that Alex is evil, or anything - by definition, she betrayed them. Simply because she called the Order and told them where they are, when everyone trusted she wouldn't.


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[crazcritrchic]

But I don't want her to be canon. She's a really bad actress. Like bad high school theatre bad. Everything she did seemed forced. Except the newscast but that's probably because it was being stereotypical.

I agree with this 100 percent.

Thank God I'm not the only one.

[CaptainAwesome]

OKay, I'm sorry. I've got to point something else. I used to post here, but I forgot my password or something. And, while I've had things to say here, I didn't care enough to sign up again.

But now I do.

The lack of Jessica Rose is becoming is OBVIOUS now. She's obviously only doing this show when she can fit it in now. Things have changed, she's doing movies now. She's a star. And, unfortunately, she is no longer the star of her own show.

She was in the last video. The whole thing was about Bree and Jonas. I belive the creators had no choice as to put Bree behind the camera. Jonas couldn't b/c he pulled out a gun, and Daniel couldn't b/c we had to see that Daniels first instict was to prtect Alex NOT Bree. It would have ruined the story to put anyone else behiend the camera.

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And they couldn't have her talk? Or show her in a montage on the beach? No, it is quite clear to me that Rose just wasn't there, most likely due to prior agreement. Just makes sense. Lets not rationalize away the reality of her going stardom and the impact it has on the show.

[CaptainAwesome]

Look at the most recent thread The Creators made to find out what happened to Tachyon and go to the Fanfic section to find who Maddison is.

Sorry, I may be dense, but I can't find this recent thread by the Creators? Help! lol

[Lurker]

I'm still curious as to why everyone's saying Alex set them up and betrayed them. I've watched this video several times for various reasons, and during repeated viewings, I didn't see any of that.

Anyone interested in fielding this one?

Everyone is just getting upset. Alex is a tool for the order and always will be! She only befriends them to give messages from the order. That is the though process about Alex and betral

Thanks for making the attempt, but I don't think that really makes sense. If she was just there to deliver a message, she didn't have to live with them for a week or go hang out with them at the beach.

She didn't seem happy about this either.

anyone else think that it was strange for db to be wearing a u.s. penitentiary t-shirt. it's a pennsylvannia location so not like he picked it up at a roadside stop during their recent wanderings. famous lewiston residents include leonard peltier and wilheim reich. my money's on reich if it does mean anything. real wierdo with connections to einstein, psychology, and an alan moore comic.
too obscure?

I saw that too. I actually live only 20mins away from the penitentiary (Lewisburg, PA). TAAG has never even been near PA so I don't know how he got it.

I mentioned earlier that this isn't the first time he's worn it (he had it on way back in "I Listened To Daniel"). I highly doubt that the Creators tell the actors what to wear.

Their clothing has never really had anything to do with the story. Yousef and Jessica wore something different every day when their characters were homeless and only had two tiny duffel bags that couldn't have possibly held that many clothes. Jessica's wore something different from one video to the next when they were supposed to take place on the same day. The clothes are just the actors' clothes.

If we really need an explanation, though, maybe Daniel got it at a flea market.

As my mother says: The tone makes the music. It sounds threatening.

The notion that how something is said is more important than what's said isn't always true.

In any event, I didn't see it as threatening. It sounded bitter to me, but not threatening - and the words themselves weren't a threat anyway.

In addition, the words themselves can be interpreted just as threatening: How many movies have you seen where the villain notes he doesn't need an underling anymore, and then just shoots him?

If they were going to do that, they had the perfect opportunity. They had them outnumbered and in the middle of nowhere, with only a very shaky, seemingly insane Jonas - with a pistol he probably can't aim straight - as their opponent.

"Where was the betrayal"? They are running from the Order, have to move to a new safehouse whenever they are discovered, and what does Alex do? Not only tell the Order where to find them, but also makes sure they're actually there!

According to her, it wasn't about them; it was about her. Who's to say she said anything about where to find them? If she knew they were coming to take her, maybe she just wanted to enjoy herself for a little while first?

You argue they didn't touch Bree, they only took Alex, so it was no betrayal. I say: It's the same as with the Watcher just standing around in front of Jonas's house. They are not allowed to touch Bree for some reason, so just constantly being there is their kind of aggression.

Yet before now they've never said anything to the effect of Bree being off the hook. If they're still trying to intimidate or otherwise manipulate her into this, then that's a poor move.

Also, if Alex was just trying to trick them for some reason ... why blow her cover to no effective end? Why not have her try turning DB against Bree to try breaking her down or something? It makes zero sense.

Not to mention that neither Daniel nor Jonas are the chosen girl (no matter Jonas's sexual orientation) - so there's nothing protecting them from getting killed when the Men in Black show up.

Again, however, they weren't harmed. So where's the betrayal?

And, after all, no matter if anyone was ever put in danger of any kind:
Betrayal: "to deliver to an enemy by treachery"
Treachery: "violation of allegiance or of faith and confidence"
Both by working for the Order rather than for/with the TAAG, and by exploiting trust BD&J had in her, she, by definition, committed treachery. She then set everything up to have BD&J at a specified location for the Order, the location which she had disclosed to the Order by that same treachery, thereby delivering BD&J to the enemy.

Yet no such delivery was made. You've really got to twist what happened around, play off semantics, and put BD&J at the center of the event - when Alex even said it was about her - to make it out that she did something heinous.

She was in the last video. The whole thing was about Bree and Jonas. I belive the creators had no choice as to put Bree behind the camera. Jonas couldn't b/c he pulled out a gun, and Daniel couldn't b/c we had to see that Daniels first instict was to prtect Alex NOT Bree. It would have ruined the story to put anyone else behiend the camera.

And they couldn't have her talk? Or show her in a montage on the beach? No, it is quite clear to me that Rose just wasn't there, most likely due to prior agreement. Just makes sense. Lets not rationalize away the reality of her going stardom and the impact it has on the show.

I don't know if she was physically there or not, but you do hear Jessica speak at 1:55. It could have been edited into the video without her actually being there, though.

I kind of do feel inclined to think she wasn't there since she did all of the filming, and since she didn't seem more hysterical at the end.

[kellylen]

you guys type too much

[marlasinger]

Are we sure that Bree was even supposed to be in that video? Is it possible that someone else was filming, ostensibly? I can imagine the creators making sure that her voice was in it if it had to be.

When Alex turns to the camera and says "they don't need you Bree" she could have been talking to the camera, not to the person. She was looking straight into the camera.

Just a thought. I'm not sure who on earth could be filming, other than Bree, but I can only imagine that the creators would have taken the time to have proper voiceovers - it's not hard to do. Let's see where this goes, shall we?

bree said oh god when the black car pulled up.

and usually kevin films. and they pretend its the char

right, i know kev films, i'm saying in-story, not out of story. as in, i don't know who could have been with them at the beach.

and after listening to the "oh god" I'm not convinced it's bree at all. Again, I suppose I have too much faith that the creators would have done a better job in voiceovers, which is very easy to do.

Unless they're attempting to give Bree this sudden Tachyon feel of calmness and silence - Tachy was pretty silent.

[Luminous]

Are we sure that Bree was even supposed to be in that video? Is it possible that someone else was filming, ostensibly? I can imagine the creators making sure that her voice was in it if it had to be.

When Alex turns to the camera and says "they don't need you Bree" she could have been talking to the camera, not to the person. She was looking straight into the camera.

Just a thought. I'm not sure who on earth could be filming, other than Bree, but I can only imagine that the creators would have taken the time to have proper voiceovers - it's not hard to do. Let's see where this goes, shall we?

bree said oh god when the black car pulled up.

and usually kevin films. and they pretend its the char

right, i know kev films, i'm saying in-story, not out of story. as in, i don't know who could have been with them at the beach.

and after listening to the "oh god" I'm not convinced it's bree at all. Again, I suppose I have too much faith that the creators would have done a better job in voiceovers, which is very easy to do.

Unless they're attempting to give Bree this sudden Tachyon feel of calmness and silence - Tachy was pretty silent.

The first line spoken in the video:

Daniel: Bree, you sure you don't want me to film?

Bree has the camera, and Daniel is addressing her directly.

[ericski]

lurker, right as usual on the prior vid, i remember watching that several times too.
nevermind.

[watching_watchers]

I want a new video, I'm so anxious. >.<

[CRYISME]

I want a new video, I'm so anxious. >.<

Amen to that.

[watching_watchers]

I want a new video, I'm so anxious. >.<

Amen to that.

BLAH. =[ Maybe if we give up and go to the orders side a new one will come up.

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

omfg. omfg. omfg.
haven't read yet, but omfg.
does this mean jonas could have shot the guy? bree's dad?
they have a new girl? sjdflaksjdf WTF?
LDJFlksfj OMG OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMOGMOGMOGMg

i love jonas. that was hott.

okay will read the thread now.

[Lurker]

does this mean jonas could have shot the guy? bree's dad?

What?