0143-What The Hell?!??!-[03/01/2007]

[mistabroadway]

Somnia posted:

C) Why is no one addressing the super-obvious transition from the typical widescreen to the atypical (unprecedented?) fullscreen? Am I missing something?

It doesn't make sense to me... there really wasn't anything worth noting unless we're all blind here. It was just for that one little cut too, could be a mistake? I also wouldn't be too surprised though that we're all missing something there.

[omegawoman]

If you met two strangers on the internet, and took them into your home, then witness a death and a kidnapping with these two people, who then tie you up in your own home, wouldn't you try to get the hell outta there?

[mellie3204]

Here's the biggest thing we can know from the fact that jonas took the camera. Jonas wants to be able to communicate with bree and danniel.

the only reason he would have taken the camera would be to either document evidence to clear his name, or to tell B&D what's going on, and why [and maybe how] he left.

it seems obvious to me that Jonas is innocent, and he took the camera so he could tell them "look, you guys, you're insane. this is ridiculous. i can't believe you would turn on me like this, after all I've done for you out of the goodness of my heart, and all we've been through together."

Totally my theory too.

As for who he called, well, there's a lot of speculation previously about him calling a caretaker or some such to have the cabin readied for people coming down, couldn't he have just called that person with a "hi, my cars not working, can you give me a ride into town, meet you at the road" type call?

Just walking in his shoes, if I got free, I would hightail it outta there too. He was very angry, and probably very actually scared for his life, with Bree interrogating him and having him tied up for days. He hasn't managed to convince them to let him go, so what must he have been thinking they would do with him in the end?

He's just gotten out of there because being free and explaining his innocence is the only way to make them listen and convince them it's true.

Also, I'm thinking he actually left the car out of safety for Bree and Daniel. He'll probably tell them in the next vid where he hid the keys for them to escape if they need to. He just wants to get far enough to post a vid.

[pixxi.is.dizzi]

As for how he got out, depending on how he was tied, zip ties ARE plastic. I know when I want to get those off something I bite through them. Given enough time, and depending on his position and the tie positions, it may have been possible to get out.

He shouldn't have been able to bend his head down to the zip ties because of the ropes around him, but even if he could, I don't know if he'd be able to bite through them.

Yeah, I just tried getting my head in that position and it didn't work. And I have exceptionally strong teeth, so who knows.

I really think all we can do is wait for another video.

I've dealt with those ties before, its easier to gnaw through your wrist than through the plastic. Hell, even with a ginsui knife it took forever to get them cut.

Also, the end of the chair is thicker than the width of the arm. the tie is behind the larger stump part of it, which thickens to about 2 inches. They're fairly common chairs. you could have them loose enough not to cut off circulation and sitll not be able to get them over the end of the chair without a lot of damage to your wrist (which they would have probably noticed if they were at all good at bondage)[/quote]

[longlostposter]

Or Jonas cut off his hands.

well that would explain the blood someone saw on the wall in the beginning of the vid

How do you cut off your hands with both of them bound?

[paigeb25]

Are they trying to make us think that there is a possible suicide?

I mean DB followed the footsteps and they stopped at the lake...Could it mean?

[Cabby]

The only thing that comes to my mind in regards to the widescreen/fullscreen debate is that, back in the day, jonas' videos were all wide screen, and the others were not. At least, if I'm remembering correctly.
This, however, does not amount to much

[longlostposter]

Here's the biggest thing we can know from the fact that jonas took the camera. Jonas wants to be able to communicate with bree and danniel.

Or he wants to have evidence to bring to the cops.

[pixxi.is.dizzi]

Are they trying to make us think that there is a possible suicide?

I mean DB followed the footsteps and they stopped at the lake...Could it mean?

The general concensus is that its a ashphalt road, not a lake.

[longlostposter]

Somnia posted:

C) Why is no one addressing the super-obvious transition from the typical widescreen to the atypical (unprecedented?) fullscreen? Am I missing something?

It doesn't make sense to me... there really wasn't anything worth noting unless we're all blind here. It was just for that one little cut too, could be a mistake? I also wouldn't be too surprised though that we're all missing something there.

Perhaps it is meant to communicate that there is another camera involved; maybe the one that was seen in the tree?

At this point it doesn't make sense, but that's the only thing that comes to mind.

[ShardinsKitten]

He shouldn't have been able to bend his head down to the zip ties because of the ropes around him, but even if he could, I don't know if he'd be able to bite through them.

Yeah, I just tried getting my head in that position and it didn't work. And I have exceptionally strong teeth, so who knows.

I really think all we can do is wait for another video.

I've dealt with those ties before, its easier to gnaw through your wrist than through the plastic. Hell, even with a ginsui knife it took forever to get them cut.

Also, the end of the chair is thicker than the width of the arm. the tie is behind the larger stump part of it, which thickens to about 2 inches. They're fairly common chairs. you could have them loose enough not to cut off circulation and sitll not be able to get them over the end of the chair without a lot of damage to your wrist (which they would have probably noticed if they were at all good at bondage)

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I've used them too, they can actually be pretty weak at the connector, if you get them right and pull right it'll just pop. They aren't that hard to cut really, but there is no way with the way he was tied he could of got his head down to gnaw them off, and he would have to have some pretty sharp teeth for it lol. In the end it's just plastic, hard plastic I'll give you that, but plastic, work it enough it's going to weaken and give in.

[Cabby]

Are they trying to make us think that there is a possible suicide?

I mean DB followed the footsteps and they stopped at the lake...Could it mean?

For clarity sake, it's a road, not a lake. <--- ha, that rhymes.

How do you cutt off your hands with both of them bound

... that's a good question, longlostposter. I wasn't serious in the least. But, like Pixxi just said,

its easier to gnaw through your wrist than through the plastic

anyway... this obviously did not happen.

I think if jonas spent some time gnawing at the plastic, and rubbing it against the arms of the chair, it would eventually become weak enough to snap.

[mistabroadway]

Originally Posted By Cabby:


I think if jonas spent some time gnawing at the plastic, and rubbing it against the arms of the chair, it would eventually become weak enough to snap.

I think if you're tied up for 3 or 4 days you'd have plenty of time to do this. Anyone want to volunteer for an experiment?

[imogene2004]

So he takes the keys as well so they can't leave and the other camera so he can make a video to post. He calls a taxi and it picks him up on the road. He goes to a hotelroom so he can post a video for Daniel and Bree to explain the situation. It makes sense and it's what I'd do in his place. He wants to prove he's innocent but he can't do it tied up. He's afraid. And besides, if he was able to work the ropes over for a few days and get out of them only his wrists were zip tied. It wouldn't be hard for him to stand up and walk over to something sharp to cut the ties. Sure, he'd have a chair on him but he could move.

I don't think Daniel did it and I don't think he did it unknowingly because of some codeword Jonas said. That's just too messed up for my tastes.

I totally agree, that's a very logical explanation of what could've happened. But I think he took the keys cuz he was planning on taking the car, but then thought that B&D would hear him drive away. So he just got far from the house and called someone, maybe a taxi, or maybe just a neighbor, or maybe the same person who he called ahead to on their way to the cabin, like a groundskeeper.

[Chelseyrl]

Originally Posted By Cabby:


I think if jonas spent some time gnawing at the plastic, and rubbing it against the arms of the chair, it would eventually become weak enough to snap.

I think if you're tied up for 3 or 4 days you'd have plenty of time to do this. Anyone want to volunteer for an experiment?

I was just about to post this...