Lonelygirl15

Thamus wrote:

Oh yes, back to the number eight; The experience upon the eighth sephirah is The Knowledge and Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.

KelQuelle wrote: Also, a little off topic, but it really weirds me out when you guys capitalize Creators. It makes them sound like gods or something.

tannhaus wrote:

yarvin wrote:However, I have to admit, now that it was brought it up a couple of comments back, I've never heard the world described as what lies "between the water and the sky," except in Genesis 1, but that has the same problem you, tannhaus, pointed out for the Egyptians: the Hebrews saw the sky as being made of water.

True..and they thought so because they lifted their story of creation almost verbatim from the Egyptians. If you read the book "101 Myths of the Bible", which is written by a Bible scholar, he points out how all the gods of the Egyptian creation myth are present in the Genesis account of creation just by the element they're the god of....so instead of the god of the wind...you'd have wind. Then you have Elohim being Eloah...a feminine word for goddess combined with im...a masculine plural. So, the word "elohim" actually means a group of male and female gods. But Elohim was the word used in Genesis when he says "Let us make man in our image". Of course, there are MANY more instances..you just have to read the book.

I mean, I don't expect them to be TOTALLY accurate with their background information. But, you'd think that if they're trying to make puzzles up concerning this information, they'd educate themselves to make sure they're not making obvious errors of fact.

I mean, if we're talking about the Egyptians and what the sun and water would mean to them, for the sun I would think Ra...the creator of life. For the water I would think of the Nile...the sustainer of life. Or, like this in Wikipedia:

<i>The sun was thought to travel in a boat, to protect its fires from the primordial waters (Nun) of the underworld it passed through during the night. Ra traveled in the sunboat with various gods, including Ma'at who guided the boat's course and Set and Mehen who defended against monsters in the underworld. These monsters included Apep, the serpent who tried to stop the sunboat's journey every day by consuming it. So, the Egyptians saw the sunrise as the rebirth of the sun through Nut, the sky, and thus attributed the concept of rebirth and renewal to Ra, strengthening his role as a creator god.</i>

Also, there is the idea of the sun being the masculine giver of life and water being the feminine.

Or, maybe this:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/nun.htm

But, at no point would I think that it meant ruling over everything between the sun and the waters...which would simply be the captain of Ra's boat...Ma'at

ignatzmouse wrote: OK, it took me a while to realize this, but...

There is one way that Tachy's comment makes sense, which is to think of "Sun"and "Water" astrologically rather than literally. This gets you Leo and Aquarius, which are spookily enough on opposite sides of the zodiac. So interpreted this way, we get that the Order rules at all times, everywhere. This seems a bit more Orderly to me.

If you want to see this in practice, here's a link to the Zodiac Of Dendera (ooh, I remember that) with the western equivalents handily added:

http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/Denderazodiac.html

Aquarius is top right, Leo is bottom left.

Oh, and there's 12 signs to the zodiac, in case we were looking for another 12.

tigerlilylynn wrote:

ignatzmouse wrote: OK, it took me a while to realize this, but...

There is one way that Tachy's comment makes sense, which is to think of "Sun"and "Water" astrologically rather than literally. This gets you Leo and Aquarius, which are spookily enough on opposite sides of the zodiac. So interpreted this way, we get that the Order rules at all times, everywhere. This seems a bit more Orderly to me.

If you want to see this in practice, here's a link to the Zodiac Of Dendera (ooh, I remember that) with the western equivalents handily added:

http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/Denderazodiac.html

Aquarius is top right, Leo is bottom left.

Oh, and there's 12 signs to the zodiac, in case we were looking for another 12.

However, Aquarius is an air sign. Cancer, Pisces and Scorpio are water signs. Also, Pisces is ruled by Neptune.