0071 Motel Pool [11/11/06]

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

The Cult of Osiris
The cult of Osiris had a particularly strong interest towards the concept of immortality. According to the myth surrounding the cult, Set (Osiris's evil brother) fooled Osiris into getting into a coffin, which he then shut and threw into the Nile. Osiris's wife searched for his remains until she finally found them and brought them back to Egypt. Once Osiris's evil brother found out, he cut the body into pieces, and again threw them into the Nile. The faithful companion of Osiris, Isis, gathered up all the parts of the body and bandaged them together for a proper burial. The Gods were impressed by the devotion of Isis and thus restored Osiris to life in the form of a different kind of existence as the god of the underworld. Because of his death and resurrection, Osiris is associated with the flooding and retreating of the Nile and thus with the crops along the Nile valley.

Caught my eye because it involves the Nile, hence the water thing.

Differing from the public portion above, an esoteric phase consisted of ceremonials performed inside the temples by priests witnessed only by initiates. Plutarch mentions that two days after the beginning of the festival “the priests bring forth sacred chest containing a small golden coffer, into which they pour some potable water…and a great shout arises from the company for joy that Osiris is found (or resurrected). Then they knead some fertile soil with the water…and fashion therefrom a crescent-shaped figure, which they cloth and adorn, this indicating that they regard these gods as the substance of Earth and Water.” (Isis and Osiris, 39). Yet even he was obscure, for he also wrote, “I pass over the cutting of the wood” opting to not describe it since he considered it most sacred (Ibid. 21).

In the Osirian temple at Denderah, an inscription (translated by Budge, Chapter XV, Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection) describes in detail the making of wheat paste models of each dismembered piece of Osiris to be sent out to the town where each piece was discovered by Isis. At the temple of Mendes, figures of Osiris are made from wheat and paste placed in a trough on the day of the murder, then water added for several days, when finally the mixture was kneaded into a mold of Osiris and taken to the temple and buried (the sacred grain for these cakes only grown in the temple fields). Molds are made from wood of a red tree in the forms of the sixteen dismembered parts of Osiris, cakes of divine bread made from each mold, placed in a silver chest and set near the head of the god, the inward parts of Osiris as described in the Book of the Dead (XVII). On the first day of the Festival of Ploughing, where the goddess Isis appears in her shrine where she is stripped naked, Paste made from the grain is placed in her bed and moistened with water, representing the fecund earth. All of these sacred rituals were climaxed by the eating of sacramental god, the eucharist by which the celebrants were transformed, in their persuasion, into replicas of their god-man (Larson 20).

This one I noticed because it is not done in public. It only allows a select few to attend.. much like the ceremony in LG15. It brings in the importance of water and the temple of Denderah. Perhaps Bree is supposedly Iris in some reincarnated form? Just finding whatever I can..[/quote]

[Luv2Skydive]

Daniel fears water.....like cats, and cats were worshipped and feared in Egypt.

Cats were not only worshiped in Ancient Egypt, but very much loved, too, in fact so much that when a family's cat died, the head of the house would shave off his or her eyebrows as a sign of the deepest mourning

SO Bree might actually do something about her brows if Daniel dies.....cool.

BWAHAHAHA! I actually thought you were going someplace serious here. Excellent.

I mean seriously folks, if what is happening to Bree was happening to you would you be picking the perfect song and editing frigging vids and being cutesy with your stuffed animals?

I don't know for sure. But my dad died when I was 12, and I reacted by pretending that nothing was happening and that everything was fine.

I find the stuffed animals somewhat annoying too, Spacie, and that other guy (sorry i forgot your name). . . .

You mean me?

I didn't realize I was a guy.

I guess everyone needs a bit of normalcy it times of crisis.....that would explain the stuffed animals....but editing and songs is a bit much. True it adds to the videos, makes them entertaining and more fun to watch but if this is supposed to be real then less is more.

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

Aw I'm sorry. I just called people Guys until I am told otherwise. Habit.

No problem -- I do the same in RL. I just thought it was funny because "Lass" is part of my name.

True.. that was pretty dumb.
I didn't really think about it.. woops! lol

[Languorous Lass]

This one I noticed because it is not done in public. It only allows a select few to attend.. much like the ceremony in LG15. It brings in the importance of water and the temple of Denderah. Perhaps Bree is supposedly Iris in some reincarnated form? Just finding whatever I can..

Huh. Interesting. Parts of what you describe sound like what happens in the play "The Ship" written by Aleister Crowley that I talk about in the "Nuit kills man" thread -- the dismembered body and the resurrection. And there's the eating of the sacramental god . . . I think you may really be on to something here.

[Magesa]

The way the whole LG15 came about I'm still trying to figure out what it is......do we watch it as nonfiction or fiction? I don't know if that makes sense, but it would be easier to know our role in this.

I think on the forums we address it as fiction. We have been acknowledged directly by Daniel in his videos, so we definitely play a role in the series.

Unless you're in the talk with the characters threads, in which case I think you're supposed to be strictly "in character" or non-fiction, but otherwise, its fiction.

[UpbeatMarshWiggle]

plus if I was in his shoes I wouldnt be in much of a swimming mood either. Daniel is trying to figure out what to do, while Bree is acting like a child and playing with her stuffed animals, someone has to stay sane you know. Daniel has so much stress on his shoulders, I don't blame him that he isn't in the mood to swim.

I think this is a really significant point. Did anyone really think about this from Bree's perspective?

1. Her belief in her religion has been turned upside down, and someone she trusted at a very stressful time in her life (Lucy) has really violated that trust.
2. Her view of her parents as the "know all/fix everything" foundation of her life has been shattered. They've told her they didn't know stuff about the ceremony, the drugs they were giving her, etc.
2.a. Her all-powerful parents are powerless to protect her/themselves from what's happening.
3. Her parents are missing - and appear to have ABANDONED HER, willingly or not (from her point of view, I mean).
4. She's unable to be in her own home, the only place she's ever been safe before.
5. She is totally on her own (except for Daniel, who she's always regarded as a friend/peer until now) for the first time in her life, in incredbly stressful and scary circumstances.

I really wonder if Bree isn't in a severe stress reaction, bordering on shock. In this video, she seems very "spaced out" or disconnected to me. She's reverted back a few years to a simpler, safer time, I think. At least temporarily.

I'm not surprised at all that Daniel seems grumpy and/or preoccupied. He's 18-or-so years old, and has a psychological child-girl on his hands, no adults to turn to, and (I assume) somewhat limited funds.

I'd be grumpy too.

UMW

[Languorous Lass]

I think this is a really significant point. Did anyone really think about this from Bree's perspective?

Um . . . multiple people have. If you read the rest of the thread, you'll see that the same points have been made by several people.

[Magesa]

Yes, UMW, that's very true. She's stressed, and this doesn't seem like a very unrealistic expression of that for Bree.

[chanda]

I find the stuffed animals somewhat annoying too, Spacie, and that other guy (sorry i forgot your name). It is particularly irritating to have to fast forward through 30 seconds worth of P. Monkey dancing. We get a 2-minute video and half of it is Bree putting her ear to a stuffed toy's mouth and translating what it says. Boringg. I also agree with the *vomit* thing when fans are overly obsessed with the toys. I would be just as satisfied, if not more, if they had less camera time. They aren't even cute.

I'll probably get made fun of for this, but I have stuffed animals. Yes, I'm 17 years old. All of them have names, and I play with them from time to time, and introduced them to my boyfriend on our second date. But at least mine are CUTE. jeeze.

The first time I watched LG15 I was amused because I have a teddy bear named Owen.
The end.

Maybe it was me you were referring to? I'm a girl though so I dunno? But anyways, I have stuffed animals too, probably all girls do, but I don't talk to them or go swimming with them.

[UpbeatMarshWiggle]

I think this is a really significant point. Did anyone really think about this from Bree's perspective?

Um . . . multiple people have. If you read the rest of the thread, you'll see that the same points have been made by several people.

I've read the whole thread multiple times - I don't know that anyone's attempted to address the cumulative effect of all the things I mentioned on Bree's psyche, though.

I didn't mean to imply, though, that no one was thinking this through - and that isn't clear in my original post. Sorry about that to all who might read it that way. Otherwise, though, I'm comfortable with what I posted.

UMW

[spaciegirlreturn]

I certainly hope she's acting that way due to stress....or else she's a total wing-nut..a selfish, uncaring one at that.
(or she is in on the whole thing...even then I think she'd be trying to act more freaked out)

[Magesa]

This one I noticed because it is not done in public. It only allows a select few to attend.. much like the ceremony in LG15. It brings in the importance of water and the temple of Denderah. Perhaps Bree is supposedly Iris in some reincarnated form? Just finding whatever I can..

Huh. Interesting. Parts of what you describe sound like what happens in the play "The Ship" written by Aleister Crowley that I talk about in the "Nuit kills man" thread -- the dismembered body and the resurrection. And there's the eating of the sacramental god . . . I think you may really be on to something here.

Yes, JustAnotherLonelyGirl has definitely found something. I'll check out that "Nut Kills Man" forum. Bree, don't let them make you into Isis so they can pretend to be Osiris!

I've read the whole thread multiple times - I don't know that anyone's attempted to address the cumulative effect of all the things I mentioned on Bree's psyche, though.

I didn't mean to imply, though, that no one was thinking this through - and that isn't clear in my original post. Sorry about that to all who might read it that way. Otherwise, though, I'm comfortable with what I posted.

Yes, I was thinking along those lines, but you worded it in a very clear way that did address some things others didn't. I found it comprehensive and I definitely agree.

I don't know for sure. But my dad died when I was 12, and I reacted by pretending that nothing was happening and that everything was fine.

I'm sorry!

[thejyav]

Ok so I have been gone all weekend and have not read the thread yet so forgive me for saying things others have said.

1. For as long as it had been since the last video from them this seemed weak to me. This is the kind of video where we better get another one soon because this isn't much of a hold over. The only thing they gave us was why they don't go to the cops.

2. Is it me or is Bree/Jessica looking kinda haggard?

3. I just thought of one thing that could silence some people. Dan needs to post and just kind of toss out there that he keeps up with the video editing and putting the music in and such to kinda keep his sanity and keep his mind off of everything thats going on. Nothing major but just a little something they could do.

4. I'm wondering how long they will keep this on the road up atleast without some kinda chace happening. We have holidays coming up and it will be intresting to se how they handle bree away from the family on thanksgiving.

5. To the creators. The first on the road video was a great well made film. this seemed like filler. PLEASE give us some action.

[spaciegirlreturn]

Bree is looking a little crap-o in this one. I agree. But I think this one was interesting. The water/swimming issue reminds me of the earlier videos where we had interesting stuff to analyze. Of course, I don't know if this "clue" will amount to anything, but it's still been more interesting than most of the other recent stuff.

[Magesa]

Bree is looking a little crap-o in this one. I agree. But I think this one was interesting. The water/swimming issue reminds me of the earlier videos where we had interesting stuff to analyze. Of course, I don't know if this "clue" will amount to anything, but it's still been more interesting than most of the other recent stuff.

Yes, we've been having lots of interesting discussion on this thread and others about water. I've never had such a long conversation about water!