0095 "Back Home" (12/11/06)

[Chartreuse]

I don't understand the whole "abandoned the car" thing. They left the car parked on a city street someplace. Odds are, it's either still there, or the local police towed it someplace.

Cars aren't "anonymous" any more. It's Daniel's car. The police know it's Daniel's car by now, too. He needs to think real seriously about going to fetch it soon, or he's going to get a nastygram from the police, together with a fat bill for storage and impound fees.

So, since the order knows where he is now anyway, he should get mom or dad to drive him over to pick up his car, bring it home, tear it apart until he finds the alleged bug, and then voila!, he's got his untraceable car back!

UMW

In Nikki Bower's latest video, "Where is Jonas" (I think it's called), she goes by the site where Bree and Daniel left the car and it's gone. It probably got towed, stolen, or confiscated. I agree, though, that it's stupid to just leave it there.

[Lurker]

He mentions in this one that he got his hair cut... so the other videos were shot before the Vh1 thing, and this one either right before it or after it.

Exactly, I meant the hair cut was before the videos were posted, in other words the test was a farse. the decision was already made.

Yeah, good point. Guess that confirms people's suspicions that he/they chose goodgollyitsholly (is that her handle?) because she was a known supporter of Jonas.

Are you kidding me? I was right? And after that big fuss DreamerM, EliCash, and I got into over in the Plot Discussion area?

Holy crap.

[lesbrent]

Daniel say it isn't over. PLEASE more daniel!

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

Okay, so here' my personal theory:

Half of this thread is talking about how Daniel's behavior doesn't make sense for his situation. With Tachyon's last video, we've just had confirmation that everything that's bothered us about Gemma's character (her fake seeming english-ness, her random stories) is actually something that's supposed to be there. She's not actually in London and is probably acting on behalf of the order.

So, my impulse is that the creators aren't making a mistake here, but that we're supposed to suspect that something is going on.

Reasons to doubt his honesty here:
A) his parent's didn't notice anything weird (What?!)
B) he seems pretty nonchalant about ditching someone his lo-cares about
C) he's disregarded the advice of Tachyon, when he went so far as to ditch his car last time she told him to do anything
D) Go back on his word that he would trust our decision
E) Let's be honest. His "how I got home story" doesn't really make sense. We all seem to think it's a little out of character for him to have witheld money. Also, the fact that he's dropping all this hobo lingo is a little too reminiscent of Gemma's overuse of british slang.

I think he's with Jonas and the fight was staged in an attempt to throw off the Order.

Atleast, that's what my caffiene addled mind is telling me.

Okay. I love Daniel. There's no way he's been on the Order's side all along. And then why does OpA have cameras in his house and why was he so scared they took pictures of him? If (and I refuse to accept this as a possibility) but if, he is hiding something, then I believe he may have been caught and forced to by the order, or given some kind of brainwashing-thingy. It is possible this relates to the shots they gave Bree a while back. Before the shots, she was exceptionally smart and reasonable, I think. But things changed after the shots. This also may have something to do with the way his parents are acting. He also seemed angry about his parents neglect; I was under the impression they've always been kind of neglectful. But either way, something is up, Daniel has definitely had good intentions for Bree before this.

However, I would like to point out that, if this is all a lie, Daniel is a hell of a better liar than Jonas. Whether the creators/actors intended to make it that way or not, I am not sure. But I bet they did, for contrast's sake. The Bree&Daniel vs. the World show may become the Jonas vs. Daniel show. Mhmm.

[glowe126]

Homeless Watcher is getting his time now. That's how he can afford to wax his chest. He's a mortgage broker for ten months out of the year. I mean if they could have shown clips of him and Daniel riding the rails discussing life, then Homeless Watcher would be famous. And Homeless Watcher appreciates all of the support of his dumpster-diving lifestyle...

Daniel looks so cute, and he has great skin. If I was a 13-year-old girl, I'd be freaking out.

As far as the money goes, I've thought I was broke and then found like $5 bucks randomly in my stuff. It happens all of the time. Maybe Homeless Watcher gave it to him. He's a pretty cool dude.

Yeah, I think it is funny that he shows up smelling like poopoo and old DelTaco and his parents are like, "Oh, you lost your car. Okay. See you at dinner." He's going to have to tell them, heehee.


Oh, it is really dangerous to jump on moving trains, so whoever wanted to do that, don't. Most likely you will want to get off at some point and I heard that people who lose their legs from doing that, usually say they thought the train was going slower than it actually was. So the speed can be deceiving, and not all trains follow the speed limit.

[Kanazaka]

Yeah, Daniel's personality seems a bit off. I mean, after what just happened, to start off talking about hitching a ride on a train and talking to a hobo ? And, of course, he doesn't seem truly sincere when he tells Bree that he misses her. He seems sincere enough where he could either be lying or telling the truth, but I think that something's up.

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

Has anyone considered the mention of Freedom? Takes me back to the days of Free Will discussion.......

[ViolinAddict]

Yeah, Daniel's personality seems a bit off. I mean, after what just happened, to start off talking about hitching a ride on a train and talking to a hobo ? And, of course, he doesn't seem truly sincere when he tells Bree that he misses her. He seems sincere enough where he could either be lying or telling the truth, but I think that something's up.

I pretty much agree... i was very very taken aback by the fact that he refered to Jonas as being a "friend" to Bree... He hates and doesn't trust Jonas. As far as we know... but I'm not sure that's the case. :-/

[mandaraegwen213]

Hello... I only read the beginning three pages and last three pages of the 12 pages of posts so sorry if i repeat... but like ... if daniel *isn't* home, won't The Order know because of OpA's "secret" cameras? I mean they can't really trick them... right? poor bree...poor daniel...

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

Yeah, Daniel's personality seems a bit off. I mean, after what just happened, to start off talking about hitching a ride on a train and talking to a hobo ? And, of course, he doesn't seem truly sincere when he tells Bree that he misses her. He seems sincere enough where he could either be lying or telling the truth, but I think that something's up.

I pretty much agree... i was very very taken aback by the fact that he refered to Jonas as being a "friend" to Bree... He hates and doesn't trust Jonas. As far as we know... but I'm not sure that's the case. :-/

It was almost like when Gemma avoids the conflict and talks about something completely unrelated to the issues. This is unlike Daniel.. he is usually the only one who really wants to address the problems directly.

[Chartreuse]

Yeah, Daniel's personality seems a bit off. I mean, after what just happened, to start off talking about hitching a ride on a train and talking to a hobo ? And, of course, he doesn't seem truly sincere when he tells Bree that he misses her. He seems sincere enough where he could either be lying or telling the truth, but I think that something's up.

I pretty much agree... i was very very taken aback by the fact that he refered to Jonas as being a "friend" to Bree... He hates and doesn't trust Jonas. As far as we know... but I'm not sure that's the case. :-/

It was almost like when Gemma avoids the conflict and talks about something completely unrelated to the issues. This is unlike Daniel.. he is usually the only one who really wants to address the problems directly.

Isn't there speculation about Gemma's tangents being a form of doubletalk? So maybe Daniel's taken it up. Maybe the hobo story was the most important part of the video.

Besides l'care, of course.

[Briphelia]

Okay, I've skimmed over the posts in here, so forgive me if this has been brought up so far, but....

Maybe bringing up Walter and the fact that he's a mortgage broker is Daniel's way of telling us that things aren't always what they appear to be. He mentions himself that he talked to a bunch of "homeless guys" about how to "ride the rails," and that fits with our perception of things. But Walter and Walter's "real life" undermines our perceptions.

Just a thought.

[JustAnotherLonelyGirl.]

I pretty much agree... i was very very taken aback by the fact that he refered to Jonas as being a "friend" to Bree... He hates and doesn't trust Jonas. As far as we know... but I'm not sure that's the case. :-/

It was almost like when Gemma avoids the conflict and talks about something completely unrelated to the issues. This is unlike Daniel.. he is usually the only one who really wants to address the problems directly.

Isn't there speculation about Gemma's tangents being a form of doubletalk? So maybe Daniel's taken it up. Maybe the hobo story was the most important part of the video.

Besides l'care, of course.

I agree. It should be further explored.

[imogene2004]

sorry if this has been said already (have not read all the pages) but maybe just maybe bree is not with Jonas and it was all planned. daniel has bree hidden to trick the order and jonas gave them money and he slipped up and said he had some money.....

Yeah that's what I thought, that Bree is really with Daniel and they're trying to throw the order off. Now I'm just waiting for Op's next video......maybe we'll see surveillance of Bree at Daniel's house.

[livelongandprosper77]

Kanazaka wrote:
Yeah, Daniel's personality seems a bit off. I mean, after what just happened, to start off talking about hitching a ride on a train and talking to a hobo Confused ? And, of course, he doesn't seem truly sincere when he tells Bree that he misses her. He seems sincere enough where he could either be lying or telling the truth, but I think that something's up.

Yes very odd behavior from Daniel i was expecting him to say something to Bree straight off but instead he is acting all happy about jumping a train home, getting a hair cut, and such. I am really confused as to whether he was saying anything in that vid truthfully . He almost sounded coerced in a way...