0097 "Gemma, Who Are You?" [12/13/06]

erolyn · Post by **erolyn** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:45 pm

trainer101 wrote:Regarding who can see what (just my observations)

Daniel specifically says that he saw Jonas' video - no mention of Tachyon's vid.
I'm going to assume that means that neither Bree nor Daniel see Op vids or Tachyon vids.

I'm also assuming that Jonas does not see them either because now that Bree is allegedly at his house, he is now part of their world, not ours (characters in their world don't see the vids). Besides, how would they explain it if we see Bree and Jonas on camera together? He can see the Tacyhon vids but she can't? That doesn't make sense.

That leaves one other option - the footage was given to him by someone, but WHO?

Also, in “Tough Cookie” Jonas clearly states that Gemma is “working for the Order - doesn’t even live in London” yet in the forums we are still debating whether she’s being coerced and whether or not she flew to the U.S. or was here the whole time. Suddenly, he seems to know more than we do.

We know Tachyon contacted Daniel in some form, because he mentions in the "homeless" video that she warned him about the order tracking his car. So perhaps she sent Jonas the Gemma footage in a similar way? Emailed him a URL, or something?

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:51 pm

SharpI wrote:But Gemma isn't in London. and apparently has never been in London. That's a little harder to explain away, dyt?

Not really any more shady than Bree's parents with the shots and Bree herself with the lie about the ceremony (the set up for Daniel). None of these people have spotless records, so I don't think we can say any of them are definitely good while another is definitely bad.

As far as it goes, Bree doesn't have a good explanation for the lie with the fake ceremony. "They told me to" isn't the best explanation considering she could have gotten her best friend (and someone who is extremely loyal to her) killed just because someone in authority said "Do this" and she went "Okay

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trainer101 wrote:Regarding who can see what (just my observations)

Daniel specifically says that he saw Jonas' video - no mention of Tachyon's vid.
I'm going to assume that means that neither Bree nor Daniel see Op vids or Tachyon vids.

I'm also assuming that Jonas does not see them either because now that Bree is allegedly at his house, he is now part of their world, not ours (characters in their world don't see the vids). Besides, how would they explain it if we see Bree and Jonas on camera together? He can see the Tacyhon vids but she can't? That doesn't make sense.

That leaves one other option - the footage was given to him by someone, but WHO?

Yeah, I agree. Nice avatar, by the way.

trainer101 wrote:Also, in “Tough Cookie” Jonas clearly states that Gemma is “working for the Order - doesn’t even live in London” yet in the forums we are still debating whether she’s being coerced and whether or not she flew to the U.S. or was here the whole time. Suddenly, he seems to know more than we do.

He may be jumping to conclusions. Or he might be trying to get the idea into Daniel's or Bree's head that this is what it means.

khjq · Post by **khjq** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 7:52 pm

Someone else said this, but I think its pretty strange too that Daniel didn't ask Jonas where he got the footage from.

Watch Keeper · Post by **Watch Keeper** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:12 pm

trainer101 wrote:Regarding who can see what (just my observations)

Daniel specifically says that he saw Jonas' video - no mention of Tachyon's vid.
I'm going to assume that means that neither Bree nor Daniel see Op vids or Tachyon vids.

I'm also assuming that Jonas does not see them either because now that Bree is allegedly at his house, he is now part of their world, not ours (characters in their world don't see the vids). Besides, how would they explain it if we see Bree and Jonas on camera together? He can see the Tacyhon vids but she can't? That doesn't make sense.

That leaves one other option - the footage was given to him by someone, but WHO?

Also, in “Tough Cookie” Jonas clearly states that Gemma is “working for the Order - doesn’t even live in London” yet in the forums we are still debating whether she’s being coerced and whether or not she flew to the U.S. or was here the whole time. Suddenly, he seems to know more than we do.

I think that last part is VERY interesting my friend.

He does seem to suddenly have a lot of information. The entire detail of SUDDENLY feeling like he is over his head. The video from Tachyon. Yes, he is getting a lot of information.

This leads me to believe that Gemma is in the order still, and Jonas is on edge...what information does he have that we still do not?

Yoga Bear · Post by **Yoga Bear** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:38 pm

Sorry if this has been said before...

What if Gemma was taken from London to keep her from interacting with B&D, and Jonas is the one with The Order.

I just have a hard time believing things are what they seem here...not like The Creatrons to give us all the info in such a straight forward way.

I hate to say this but I am starting to think Jonas is the one to worry bout...Bree puts everything on video, no matter what! Its way out of character for her not to show up...especially after we have seen every thing else.

Just my 2 cents

milowent · Post by **milowent** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:57 pm

well, i'm just glad to see that SOMEONE is going to try to figure out something about what is going on by going back to the house. bree's parents have been missing for a long time now. meanwhile, jonas can perfect his baking skills for bree at Casa Jonas.

zachary2020 · Post by **zachary2020** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:09 pm

Watch Keeper wrote:
trainer101 wrote:
This leads me to believe that Gemma is in the order still, and Jonas is on edge...what information does he have that we still do not?
Yep. The old "good cop/ bad cop" routine that gets the person to cave in. Maybe so.

arammat · Post by **arammat** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:23 pm

imogene2004 wrote:Wouldn't it be something if he got to Bree's house and her parents were there?

That would be totally bizarre. And they act as if nothing has happened, EXCEPT they don't ask him anything about Bree. Now that would be something.

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:24 pm

I also think it's possible that Jonas and Tachyon have some kind of secret relationship. Tachyon once said her brother has a scar, and so does Jonas. That's possible, isn't it?

And I think that there will be a Tachyon-Jonas vs. OpAphid-Gemma division in the future.

arammat · Post by **arammat** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:25 pm

SharpI wrote:
But Gemma isn't in London. and apparently has never been in London. That's a little harder to explain away, dyt?

I don't know if we can conclude that she has never been in London just because she's not in London now.

heybitch · Post by **heybitch** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:33 pm

arammat wrote:
SharpI wrote:
But Gemma isn't in London. and apparently has never been in London. That's a little harder to explain away, dyt?
I don't know if we can conclude that she has never been in London just because she's not in London now.

Well, she definatly wasnt in london in her last vid.
Why else would they show her wearing the same clothes?
So, that room she is in?
NOT IN LONDON!

heybitch · Post by **heybitch** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:33 pm

Also.
We should really clear up that the guys name is Jonas.
J O N A S

Jonas..

JustAnotherLonelyGirl. · Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:36 pm

heybitch wrote:
arammat wrote:
SharpI wrote:
But Gemma isn't in London. and apparently has never been in London. That's a little harder to explain away, dyt?
I don't know if we can conclude that she has never been in London just because she's not in London now.
Well, she definatly wasnt in london in her last vid.
Why else would they show her wearing the same clothes?
So, that room she is in?
NOT IN LONDON!

Well she isn't wearing the same exact clothes. She just always wears white and blue because she's a freak.

arammat · Post by **arammat** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:38 pm

Yoga Bear wrote:Sorry if this has been said before...

What if Gemma was taken from London to keep her from interacting with B&D, and Jonas is the one with The Order.

I just have a hard time believing things are what they seem here...not like The Creatrons to give us all the info in such a straight forward way.

I hate to say this but I am starting to think Jonas is the one to worry bout...Bree puts everything on video, no matter what! Its way out of character for her not to show up...especially after we have seen every thing else.

Just my 2 cents

Hi Yoga Bear. I don't think anyone else has said it before, and you raise an interesting scenario. It is quite possible that the Order grabbed Gemma so they could keep her under their control and nothing is as we have reasoned it out in the last day or so. Hmmmm

aideen · Post by **aideen** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:43 pm

I think it's an act that Jonas and Dan are in on together. I mean, Daniel would have worried by now that there has been no Bree footage, he's too like us. I think he knows she is safe, and the scarcthing might be to show that Jonas and Dan are alike, because they both know something we don't and are trying to get it across. This video proves it to me, because the way Dan is blatantly telling us what he is going to do, so that the Order can see his vid or know from the secret cameras is just too weird. Something secret is going on

And I don't see how there can be another Gemma video after Bree Jonas and Dan are all so suspicious, and since the order is telling her what to say