Gemma is next for the ceremony.

redbear · Post by **redbear** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:08 pm

Think about this...
if Jonas were involved with the Order, or if his IS Opaphid, then the babysitting vid would completely play into his hands, driving Bree into his clutches.
I think the main thing...we HAVE to hear from Bree. Something is DEFINITELY WRONG!!!
And Holly, i wasnt raggin on you. If you do form a possy, Im in.

Way2Curious · Post by **Way2Curious** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:09 pm

Psychojenny48 wrote:I still think that Gemma is being forced into the service of the Order. I find it suspicious that one day she is so scared that she won't go home for fear that she is being watched, and the next day she plays the whole thing off, like she was just being silly. Thoughts?

I think its possible, especially since Gemma's parents are still involved with the order. Bree blindly followed her parents and the order for a long time, even when she didn't want to, perhaps Gemma could be doing the same? Or perhaps she is being threatened in order to gain her cooperation?
Maybe Gemma really did just think she was being silly about being followed or maybe someone encouraged her to act that way.

redbear · Post by **redbear** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:11 pm

Remember when Bree suddenly changed her tune tho, after Lucy got to HER, right before she and Daniel ran away? Shes being forced. Tachyons shots of her and Gemma are just like the shots daniel made of bree and lucy

Way2Curious · Post by **Way2Curious** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:14 pm

redbear wrote:Remember when Bree suddenly changed her tune tho, after Lucy got to HER, right before she and Daniel ran away? Shes being forced. Tachyons shots of her and Gemma are just like the shots daniel made of bree and lucy

Very good point.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:23 pm

ericski wrote:
Lurker wrote:Another point against the idea that Gemma's going to be taking part in the ceremony is that there's no reason the Order would have gone to such lengths to get specifically Bree if just any girl would do. If Gemma was all they needed, the danger for Bree and Daniel would be over right now.
i was going to agree wholeheartedly, then i thought about the concept that just knowing about some of the super-secret stuff was enough to cause you problems. people whose whole lives are dedicated to keeping this stuff secret. the family (weird letters from them) gemma talked about seemed to have something to worry about. so, while i don't think gemma is a replacement, the danger for bree and d will always be there, like leaving the mafia.

That's a good point. Well, what I really meant by that was there'd no longer be this issue of trying to get Bree to willingly come back. Obviously they could have grabbed her by now if they were going to physically force her into doing it, but they're still not just letting her go. And if they had moved on and just didn't need Bree anymore, then there's little reason that they wouldn't have killed her and Daniel already to protect their secrets. They still want to bring her in for the ceremony, I'd say.

You're probably right that there will always be some form of danger.

nobackspacebutton wrote:Although it would be interesting and would make these comments by Gemma make more sense if Gemma was 2nd on the list:

"Even though I wasn't picked for the ceremony like you were.."
^ounce of jealousy?

I don't think it would make more sense in the context of that video and at that point in the story. The rest of that sentence from Gemma was "it hasn't been easy for me to be independent." She then followed that up with an illustration (her psycho bitch mom reading her diary and then her family not letting her go near the "infidel" Sam anymore).

This was also at a time when Bree thought she could just ask not to be in the ceremony and that she'd be let out of it. Gemma's point makes much more sense in the context of "If they're this pscyho over someone like me, what do you think they're going to do over someone as special to them as you?"

nobackspacebutton wrote:"when it happened and she was like you... ah... chosen to do the ceremony at a young age."
^saying Bree is too young to do the ceremony, insinuating that she isn't?

I don't think that fits contextually either. She was giving a series of correlations between Bree and the last girl: chosen at a young age, given injections, strange diet, etc.

ApotheosisAZ · Post by **ApotheosisAZ** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:18 pm

I know this Gemma theory doesn't seem likely, but I am just looking for a plot line that doesn't suggest that Gemma is part of the order. The whole idea of her being affiliated with the order or OpAphid is just somehow offensive to me. I don't think I can even explain it; it just seems wrong, somehow.

Lord Balto · Post by **Lord Balto** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:10 pm

I know this Gemma theory doesn't seem likely, but I am just looking for a plot line that doesn't suggest that Gemma is part of the order. The whole idea of her being affiliated with the order or OpAphid is just somehow offensive to me. I don't think I can even explain it; it just seems wrong, somehow.

It looks like Tachyon is trying to say that Gemma's involved with the Order. The video with Lucy is certainly incriminating. Anyone have any clue what she's carrying in the first one?

For what it's worth, the sign appears to say:

TOW AWAY
ZONE

NO PARKING
ANY TIME

and this is not something you'd find in Britain.

glowe126 · Post by **glowe126** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:42 pm

It seemed odd to me that a student without parental support most likely even on loans from the country could afford an apartment. I'm sure it's possible, but most of my friends in England who are on loans live at the dorm.

I definitely think that the Order got to Gemma. People don't just come out of the blue and try to connect with someone through a dog.

Lord Balto · Post by **Lord Balto** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:25 pm

It seemed odd to me that a student without parental support most likely even on loans from the country could afford an apartment. I'm sure it's possible, but most of my friends in England who are on loans live at the dorm.

I definitely think that the Order got to Gemma. People don't just come out of the blue and try to connect with someone through a dog.

There was something peculiar about Gemma from the start, so I have to agree with you. Whether they "got to" her or whether she was in their pocket from the beginning, I'm not sure. But I really have to wonder how she can ever show her face on YouTube again. What's she going to say? How's she going to justify this?

Lord Balto · Post by **Lord Balto** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:29 pm

It seemed odd to me that a student without parental support most likely even on loans from the country could afford an apartment. I'm sure it's possible, but most of my friends in England who are on loans live at the dorm.

I definitely think that the Order got to Gemma. People don't just come out of the blue and try to connect with someone through a dog.

There was something peculiar about Gemma from the start, so I have to agree with you. Whether they "got to" her or whether she was in their pocket from the beginning, I'm not sure. But I really have to wonder how she can ever show her face on YouTube again. What's she going to say? How's she going to justify this?

redbear · Post by **redbear** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:44 pm

they should kill her off.

licoricesniper · Post by **licoricesniper** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:45 pm

redbear wrote:they should kill her off.

haha I totally agree. Someone's gotta croak in this whole thing. My vote is for Gemma. Her whole presence in this saga rubs me the wrong way. I'm not saying I think she is outright evil, but there's something about her I can't quite place my finger on.....something a bit fishy.....

krmurr87 · Post by **krmurr87** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:28 am

something was up with Gemma the second that she died her hair darker...more sinister haha

avian_firefly · Post by **avian_firefly** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:40 am

I'm pretty sure Gemma was never in London and always the 'in' for the order. I mean, there's not way they wouldn't have found a way to get to her, of course they are going to use an old friend over the internet. I don't think they'lluse her in the cermony, they want Bree. If they could usesomeone else they wouldn't be stalking her. (sorry if these things were already said, I haven't finished reading yet XD)

avian_firefly · Post by **avian_firefly** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:46 am

redbear wrote:Think about this...
if Jonas were involved with the Order, or if his IS Opaphid, then the babysitting vid would completely play into his hands, driving Bree into his clutches.
I think the main thing...we HAVE to hear from Bree. Something is DEFINITELY WRONG!!!

I doubt Jonas is in the order, otherwise Gemma wouldn't have explodedover Bree's choice. Bree being homemeans OpAphid can keep an eye on her, maybe without even having to take her (doubtful, but they do have the cams) If Gemma saw Bree was leaning towards going to Jonas' and he was involved in OpAphid/The Order she wouldn't have reacted like she did.
Although I also agree we really need a vid with Bree in it. Even foe her being in a new place 3 days is a long time to not even let people know she's okay. I mean she did post a bulliten to Daniel's vid but that could have easily been Jonas or Daniel on her account if she or someone else was tryin to hide something.