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tannhaus · Post by **tannhaus** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:15 am

Sheikh Gomelez wrote:At least the Creators haven't mentioned Typhonian Transmissions or quoted Liber Pennae Praenumbra yet...

Yeah...well, feel free to share my rock I'm going to crawl and die under if they do

LC · Post by LC » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:21 am

tannhaus wrote: The Rosicrucians? The Golden Dawn? Both Christian organizations...as were most occult orders.

I don't really to get into a huge discussion about this because I'm more insterested right now in trying to figure out the LG15 mystery, but from my limited understanding of those groups, I'm not sure I would say they are christian... maybe they originated with strains of Christianity, but they also accept many other religious teachings which contradict some biblical teachings. (I'm not saying you are wrong -- these groups may consider themselves Christian to some degree but the reason I say they are not strictly Christian is because they don't neccesarily believe Jesus is the only way to God) (But also some Christian denominations-like Catholicism have adopted and melded other traditions and teachings into there beliefs that I also think contradict biblical teaching)

I too have a feeling that's where they may be going. When I saw the last video and heard her mention Sopthis as being important, I hung my head.

Yeah, it's always dissapointing to have prominent figures that you dissagree with seen as representatives of your religion. (like for me it would be Benny Hinn or Jerry Falwell- eek!)

Sheikh Gomelez · Post by **Sheikh Gomelez** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:25 am

Come to think of it, the kids in school used to call Bree 'Stargirl'...and there are those physics tags...

Maybe the last video blog will feature a song by the Jack Parsons Project, er, I mean, a song about the Babalon Working. "Eye in the Sky" as interpreted by Owen.

tannhaus · Post by **tannhaus** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:30 am

LC wrote:I'm not sure I would say they are christian... maybe they originated with strains of Christianity, but they also accept many other religious teachings which contradict some biblical teachings.

Well, I guess it depends on your interpretation of Christianity. John Dee certainly strove to be a very pious Christian. Your interpretation though would bar most liberal christians of today.

tannhaus · Post by **tannhaus** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:33 am

Sheikh Gomelez wrote:Maybe the last video blog will feature a song by the Jack Parsons Project, er, I mean, a song about the Babalon Working. "Eye in the Sky" as interpreted by Owen.

ohhhhh a Jack Parsons reference would rock! Bree could blow her house up working on a new jet propellant!!! Now we're getting somewhere!!!

Consume her with fire, Babalon! Consume her with fire!

lol

LC · Post by LC » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:37 am

tannhaus wrote:
LC wrote:I'm not sure I would say they are christian... maybe they originated with strains of Christianity, but they also accept many other religious teachings which contradict some biblical teachings.
Well, I guess it depends on your interpretation of Christianity. John Dee certainly strove to be a very pious Christian. Your interpretation though would bar most liberal christians of today.

Well maybe, it's hard to say for me because I've lived in the Bible belt my whole life.. But I have tons of friends in England and elsewhere that believe the same thing..
I guess it's possible for any religion to have some truth in it- I think "love others as you love yourself" is a common commandment/truth found in most religions...

Nora Volkova · Post by **Nora Volkova** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:39 am

tannhaus wrote:
Nora Volkova wrote:So perhaps Kas' research here supports the notion that this upcoming ceremony is some sort of symbollic heirosgamos, to commune with some lg15 version of some religious bigwig's HGA.
Not sure I follow you here. I think most thelemites see the HGA as the person's True Self...so i don't see how you would commune with someone else's HGA.

No, no, either you misunderstood me or, more likely, I have been unclear. In the fictionalized thelemic offshoot religion of LG15, perhaps this upcoming ritual is the culmination of someone else's long work to commune with something akin to an HGA.

Ritual work which takes a long time to finish isn't so terribly uncommon, is it? Doesn't Abramelin take upwards of a year or more to complete? And aren't some high-end magickal groups progressive and experimental?

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:39 am

Shoot, some people say Catholics aren't Christians...even though it's about the oldest sect. I chalk it up to, you are Christian if you believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But, that...like the bible, is so ambiguous and open to interpretation, lol.

tannhaus · Post by **tannhaus** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:48 am

Nora Volkova wrote:No, no, either you misunderstood me or, more likely, I have been unclear. In the fictionalized thelemic offshoot religion of LG15, perhaps this upcoming ritual is the culmination of someone else's long work to commune with something akin to an HGA.

Ritual work which takes a long time to finish isn't so terribly uncommon, is it? Doesn't Abramelin take upwards of a year or more to complete? And aren't some high-end magickal groups progressive and experimental?

Ahhh ok. Yeah...of course that could be a possibility...especially if they're playing up the Kenneth Grant aspect.

Come to think of it....if I had to guess right now....based on the videos so far...with the enochian...the talk about Sopthis....

I would say this would be a ritual to contact a praeternatural intelligence... maybe a channeling of sorts... and perhaps that's why she's supposed to remain pure....a clean vessel...

Of course, this wouldn't reflect on Thelema per se...but could it be possible for this storyline? sure. I don't see it as a major stretch.

LC · Post by LC » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:49 am

Kasdeja wrote:Shoot, some people say Catholics aren't Christians...even though it's about the oldest sect. I chalk it up to, you are Christian if you believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But, that...like the bible, is so ambiguous and open to interpretation, lol.

I agree with this...
But I think that Catholics only believe that they are the oldest sect but really the early Christians (first couple hundred years after christ) didn't segregate themselves into groups or denominations... not sure when catholicism started[/i]

tannhaus · Post by **tannhaus** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:56 am

LC wrote:But I think that Catholics only believe that they are the oldest sect but really the early Christians (first couple hundred years after christ) didn't segregate themselves into groups or denominations... not sure when catholicism started[/i]

The Catholics evolved from the Pauline Christians. So, I guess in a way, you can say that in truth, Paul was the first Catholic. I wouldn't say Peter was...even though that's the Catholic claim..because it appears that Paul did not get along with the disciples at all. But, we can definitely see the evolution of the Catholic church from the Pauline christians.

LC · Post by LC » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:10 pm

No, it just occured to me, duh, Emperor Constantine!
That's why cathedrals are built in the same format as the Roman Basilica and why they have statues of people like Mary- because he created a format for Christianity that was similar to Roman god/goddess worship, and pagan practices, that it would be easier to convert his people. That's why easter is celebrated with pagan fertility symbols like the easter egg and rabbits, etc
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cul ... tholic.htm

Kasdeja · Post by **Kasdeja** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:18 pm

lol, while he made Rome the Holy Roman Empire, he did not create Catholicism. Rather, he reformatted some of it...but mostly he made it a huge force.

Sheikh Gomelez · Post by **Sheikh Gomelez** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:22 pm

LC wrote:No, it just occured to me, duh, Emperor Constantine!
That's why cathedrals are built in the same format as the Roman Basilica and why they have statues of people like Mary- because he created a format for Christianity that was similar to Roman god/goddess worship, and pagan practices, that it would be easier to convert his people. That's why easter is celebrated with pagan fertility symbols like the easter egg and rabbits, etc
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cul ... tholic.htm

I've never been able to watch Bambi without recognizing Disney's incorporation of the Dying God and Horned King motifs. And I shudder at the presence of the supposedly cute Thumper in a family film.

Smelling the flowers, indeed.

LC · Post by LC » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:29 pm

Kasdeja wrote:lol, while he made Rome the Holy Roman Empire, he did not create Catholicism. Rather, he reformatted some of it...but mostly he made it a huge force.

I'm not saying that he "created Catholocism", I just meant that he started a sect of Christianity that became catholocism-- he kind of pushed it in that dirrection.