0207 - "Taking Advantage of Her" [06/06/07]

[Melaisis]

Does anyone but me believe that DB is looking more and more handsome with each new video? I think the longer hair and slight beard is really working for him.

Anyway, the rivalries between DB/Sarah and Jonas/Bree have become apparent. It seems now it's a square-off of 2 vs. 2; DB and Sarah ignoring Bree and believing she'll come around in her own time - whilst Jonas is actively trying to comfort LG; only to possiblity be manipulated?

[Hippie]

daniel IS jealous, that is obvious, though he may have a point in that which he says, i hope it is Bree that is using Jonas though, and not vice versa, Bree acting this whole time to lure Jonas in would be fantastic!

Im always wishing bad things upon BDJ, im terrible!!

[Laurin_B]

Let me just reiterate what has been said a few hundred times. I think the Creators have a very strong East Coast bias. Whenever a new video is released, I don't see it til the morning after (since it's usually at night) and then I have to read through 17 pages of posts to see if someone has already thought what I thought. ::breath::

That being said, I kind of agree with the whole Bree as grand manipulator theory. However, I want to throw this out there for all the conspiracy theorists.

What is this is HoO's plan? What is the whole thing is about a Bree-Jonas relationship? What if that's what they need? Then it would totally make sense that the hidden messages would relate directly to Jonas. He gets to save her! In the aftermath, their bond becomes tighter because Jonas is a good guy and he wants Bree to be back to "normal" and he'll do whatever he can. Bree "gradually" "gives in" to his efforts, cementing their bond. I mean, come on. Bree does a 180 that quickly? Negative.

This has been kind of danced around for a while, but that's what this video kind of said to me. I don't know if I believe it, but that's the first thing that popped into mind. Cause, you know, I'm extreme. (No.)

[saralynn]

I agree with Daniel 110%.

Jonas is twitterpated and not thinking clearly -- and HE was mad at Daniel for painting Sarah's nails! While I agree that he should've been doing something slightly more productive, they can't ignore Sarah all together because she traveled all the way to get to Cali. The least they can do is amuse her a little.

Something is wrong with Bree. She's got one of her wires crossed, she's just really vulnerable and probably getting the wrong signals about who she used to be. I don't know, though, who knows what is going on in her head right now. I just know she's confused.

C'mon, Jonas, get it together.

[03-5484]

I think they are both so busy trying to get Bree back to her old self and fighting about which way to do it that they can't see they are going for the same goal....it doesn't matter who's way they take....they should try all of them TOGETHER.

[HeatherAnneDear]

I agree with Daniel 110%.

Jonas is twitterpated and not thinking clearly -- and HE was mad at Daniel for painting Sarah's nails! While I agree that he should've been doing something slightly more productive, they can't ignore Sarah all together because she traveled all the way to get to Cali. The least they can do is amuse her a little.

Something is wrong with Bree. She's got one of her wires crossed, she's just really vulnerable and probably getting the wrong signals about who she used to be. I don't know, though, who knows what is going on in her head right now. I just know she's confused.

C'mon, Jonas, get it together.

great use of bambi words.
but i still think daniel is jealous that he doesn't have what he used to have with bree.

[Onewen]

but i still think daniel is jealous that he doesn't have what he used to have with bree.

Aren't we all?!?

Ok, I admit that was cynical! I actually did like this video. I agree that Daniel is jealous because he can't get through to Bree. He's always been the one who could reach her...and now Jonas seems to be doing it. I do suspect we will see that Jonas isn't actually reaching her at all...there is something coming folks...ooooooooh

[saralynn]

I think he always will, but he's obviously trying to move on. Your first love is a pretty big deal, and I think no matter what he'll care deeply for Bree, but I think he's come to terms with him never having her that way.

I dunno, I want to believe Daniel. He'll never forget his past with her, but I want to believe he's truly moving past it and just being concerned for her as a friend.

Besides, Jonas got to bitch when he was making the moves on Alex.

[joygasm]

I think he always will, but he's obviously trying to move on. Your first love is a pretty big deal, and I think no matter what he'll care deeply for Bree, but I think he's come to terms with him never having her that way.

I dunno, I want to believe Daniel. He'll never forget his past with her, but I want to believe he's truly moving past it and just being concerned for her as a friend.

Besides, Jonas got to bitch when he was making the moves on Alex.

Jonas was mad when he got kicked out of his own house so Daniel could attempt to woo Bree. Daniel was mad when Jonas and Bree went for a hike. Jonas didn't like when Daniel was flirting and necking with Alex. Now, even though Daniel has Sarah, he still does not like the idea of Jonas and Bree together. Let's face it... the boys can't stand to see the other one happy!!!

I can kind of see where Daniel is coming from, but I agree that Jonas may not be doing anything intentionally. It's pretty obvious that Bree is kind of initiating it all. I think Jonas is just doing what he believes it right.

As far as Bree being the master manipulator... that will be a fun twist Evil Bree... what could be more fun!!

[longlostposter]

I really enjoy when they post a vlog where a character emotes and talks about how he/she really feels. I think it adds depth to the character.

Agreed, Apo.

[HeatherAnneDear]

but i still think daniel is jealous that he doesn't have what he used to have with bree.

Aren't we all?!?

Ok, I admit that was cynical! I actually did like this video. I agree that Daniel is jealous because he can't get through to Bree. He's always been the one who could reach her...and now Jonas seems to be doing it. I do suspect we will see that Jonas isn't actually reaching her at all...there is something coming folks...ooooooooh

i agree. i think she's just pretending until she can get away. i think even tho she's gotten all weird she still knows that daniel knows her more than anyone and he'd know that she was faking being okay.

[megabyte]

So it was Sarah underneath the table, with her hand up the puppet!

I've never wanted to be P. Monkey this badly

I hope you don't mean it it like a doctor, a glove, and a patient. But if you do, hey, that's your thing.

mind you... in the last vid ... bree came to him... thats not jonas making a move...

Great point. Jonas was only trying to elicit a response from her. It was Bree who came to him. That may be grounds to consider the theory of Bree trying to manipulate Jonas, but I don't buy that.

Daniel says he doesn't even think of Bree "like that"?

Uhhh, when exactly did this transformation occur?

Because he was thinking of her "like that" when she received her very first kiss, & he was thinking of her "like that" during the chicken-dinner-hook-up era, but now he responds as if it is ludicrous for anyone to suggest he might be a tad jealous?

Right, Beast, but I'm not buying it.

Yes, I know some would say Daniel transformed (or perhaps transferred, ha!) his Bree-feelings the moment he set eyes upon Sarah, but that still doesn't negate his past behaviors toward Bree to the point that a suggestion of jealousy is ludicrous.

I agree there is definitely more conflict ahead between our boys.

I'll have to partially agree with you there. Yes, DB has shown that kind of interest toward Bree before. But ever since he was rejected, he has been actively trying to get her out of his mind (romanticly, I mean), hence, the bar outing, flirting with Alex, and now Sarah.

I don't totaly disagree with you because even though he renounces to that posibility, he may still harbor some feelings towards Bree. Most of those feelings are those of a friend, but others may still linger. So it can go either way, but I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt. He IS frustrated that he cannot reach his friend, and someone else is. He has a right to be concerned whichever way he may be feeling towards Bree.

Let me just reiterate what has been said a few hundred times. I think the Creators have a very strong East Coast bias. Whenever a new video is released, I don't see it til the morning after (since it's usually at night) and then I have to read through 17 pages of posts to see if someone has already thought what I thought. ::breath::

I feel your pain, same here

While I agree that he should've been doing something slightly more productive, they can't ignore Sarah all together because she traveled all the way to get to Cali. The least they can do is amuse her a little.

You're right with the above statement. If DB isn't helping much with Bree, he can spend some time with Sarah. She DID leave everything behind to come with them. She DID help in rescuing Bree. Those who say that Sarah isn't helping now make Bree better, you may be right, but she DOES try. Maybe this is one thing where she cannot help with because her experience with Bree is limited. Maybe she'll be of more help in the future. Or perhaps, by just being there, as a girl, she can keep Jonas in check and not go too far with Bree, if it ever comes to that.

I dunno, I want to believe Daniel. He'll never forget his past with her, but I want to believe he's truly moving past it and just being concerned for her as a friend.

Besides, Jonas got to bitch when he was making the moves on Alex.

Right On!

[BlackCatonMars]

Just adding my opinion, although from the looks of these posts it's not really needed.

I don't think Jonas is *consciouly* taking advantage of Bree. It looks to me like he's behaving around her the same way she did before she was taken and looking for the positive response of her laughing. He may be being too affectionate but not realizing it. I seriously doubt he'd really go to far, and if he did I'd be very disappointed in him and the creators. That being said, all the things he was doing with her in the video, I noticed, were all things recommened by people in the chat (I'd say "we" but since I never made it IN to the chat...), like watching movies and going hiking...well they didn't seem to be doing that much hiking, but at least they were outside.

I don't think Daniel is jealous because he still has feelings for Bree...that just doesn't ring true for me. I think he's actually frustated because he sees Jonas as being too affectionate with someone who's not currently able of protecting themselves at the moment.

I think it's important for them to spend some time bonding with Bree and making her laugh and such because they need her to be willing to listen when they try and persuade her to turn against the Order and that the HoO isn't real. Earlier she wasn't responding at all, and while smiles and laughter may not be deprogramming her it means she could be more willing to listen (or at least watch all the old videos instead of staring off into space). I think Daniel and Jonas just need to stop complaining about what they think the other is doing wrong, suck it up and admit they've both made mistakes in their approach, and work together on this.

They also need to watch out in case Bree tries to run on them or in another way betray them, as I seriously doubt she's anywhere near as back to normal as she looks in this vid. I think it would be interesting if the Order were intending on having them kidnap Bree so that she'd lead them back to Jonas and kill two birds with one stone (although I'd have to wonder at the elaborateness of their plot). I doubt that Bree has been instructed to infiltrate them, however. I just feel that if they're convincing her that she belongs to this great religion that they'd then tell her they want her to help them kidnap someone and do all this acting. I suppose if she was really thoroughly brainwashed she'd have no problem with that, but I think it's an unlikely possibility. I think if this is the case they're relying on her state of mind and her belief that the HoO is good in the hopes she'll run away and betray her captors, therefore leading them to Jonas (and Daniel?).

[selena]

...While I agree that he should've been doing something slightly more productive, they can't ignore Sarah all together because she traveled all the way to get to Cali. The least they can do is amuse her a little.

Wellllll... The thing is, Sarah invited herself to California at a time when everyone knew the guys were in crisis-mode over Bree being gone. You can't just *show up* at someone's house without invitation, without warning, while their best friend is in danger, and say, "How rude of you not to pay attention to me!"

[je_sais_cequisetrame]

Let me just reiterate what has been said a few hundred times. I think the Creators have a very strong East Coast bias. Whenever a new video is released, I don't see it til the morning after (since it's usually at night) and then I have to read through 17 pages of posts to see if someone has already thought what I thought. ::breath::

Yeah... sometimes I think that too because they must be posting these videos around midnight over there on the west coast which seems just silly. The only reason I saw this one last night is because I was pulling an all-nighter for a big homework project and I refresh obsessively. O_o

I doubt it's on purpose though, maybe they're just procrastinators like us and edit all damn day. Or maybe they have some reason for posting it at midnight, I dunno. It's irritating because I usually see the videos when I get home from school about 14 hours after they were posted, but I don't think it's on purpose, and believe me, I'm the first to cry bias, hehe. I was all mad over the HoO seminar for a little bit, but I don't think they're actually trying to shaft us.

Anyway -- Danielbeast is jealous as hell. I'm not entirely convinced that Jonas is "taking advantage of her." I mean -- she wasn't throwing herself at him and he was just snogging her or anything. They were out hiking in the woods, spending time together. Daniel was the one painting Sarah's nails out on the steps and having fun with her too. I think DBeast is trying to play all the fields at once.